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New Marlins disguised as the old Yankees

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 29, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Marlins have a new ballpark, they’re suddenly calling themselves the Miami Marlins, and now they seem to be positioning themselves as if they’re the most high-powered team in the game.

The Yankees are doing the opposite.

Yesterday, the Marlins made their sales pitch to C.J. Wilson. They’ve already tried to woo Albert Pujols, Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle. Whether they can actually spend enough money to get all of these guys remains to be seen, but the Marlins are certainly creating the impression that they’re big spenders.

Oddly enough, the Yankees are creating the opposite impression.

During the GM Meetings, Brian Cashman downplayed the idea that he was eager to have a second face-to-face meeting with Wilson’s agent (and Wilson himself). The Yankees biggest moves so far have been to retain two of their own starting pitchers, and when Cashman has talked about the trade and free agent markets, he’s spoken of prices that are too high and a willingness to stand pat.

Question is, which do you believe more: The Marlins aggressive posturing, or the Yankees insistence that they’re in for a calm, quiet winter?

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158 Responses to “New Marlins disguised as the old Yankees”

  1. blake November 29th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Randy,

    Morning…..I don’t disagree…..its all about price though. If they could upgrade the rotation for 2012 and keep the top guys then I wouldn’t mind seeing that……..this may be Mariano’s last year.

    I love what they did with Nova as well…..but there are no guarantees that will happen again and there are no guarantees that Nova will keep stay at this level……I think he can but you never know.

    Basically what Im saying is that they have some excess they can deal if they want to…..and if they can use that to improve now while still looking to the future then that’s the balance you look for.

    PS: whats the word amongst Sox fans on Bobby V?

  2. blake November 29th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    I think the Marlins are trying to build interest for their new stadium……the whole Pujols thing was a total PR move as the reports were that they didn’t even match the offer on the table from the Cardinals…..

    They may land Reyes and do some other smaller things but overall its just an attempt to increase fan interest IMO.

  3. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Question is, which do you believe more: The Marlins aggressive posturing, or the Yankees insistence that they?re in for a calm, quiet winter?

    —————————-

    I believe in the Marlins being agressive. They need to put butts in some seats. The Yanks don’t have to do anything .. and there still a 90 win team. ( I’m sure they’ll inquire on some pitching ) ( hopefully Garza ) .

  4. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Granderson on the WFAN.

  5. blake November 29th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    I need to know Theo’s price on Garza before knowing whether I want him or not……my guess is it would be Betances/Banuelos, Romine, Noesi + or something equivalent and I wouldn’t do that……if it were cheaper though then yea…..that would be great.

  6. champ809 November 29th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    repost

    champ809 November 29th, 2011 at 9:07 am
    I’m so glad the Yanks and Cash have a truer sense of the value of our young players than most of our fans.

    The idea that a 24yr old 6? 8? horse who throws 97-98 with a wipeout curve and a plus change is expendable for the likes of Gio Gonzalez or John Danks is ludicrous. Bettances profiles as a Josh Johnson type….

    I wouldn’t even trade him for Garza who btw is a better pitcher than Gio Gonzalez albeit RH.

    I think we can get Garza without having to include any of Bettances, Banuelos, Sanchez or Mason.

  7. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    I agree Blake.. . Garza is at the top of my ‘trading” wish list… I know your heart is set on Danks… But if the price is too high for either pitcher….. i have no problem turning to the kids. or a lesser alternative.

  8. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Grandyman recap for those of us who can’t listen? Much appreciated. :)

  9. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Erin -

    Talked about playing in Japan
    Talked about the amazing catch in the playoffs . . .the AJ game
    loves playing with Jeter Cano Arod …
    Talking about helping out inner city schools ..
    Talking about a book he wrote — All you can Be.
    Talking about his athletic abilites as a kid …. late bloomer
    Loves Ken Griffey Jr.

  10. blake November 29th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    “I agree Blake.. . Garza is at the top of my ‘trading” wish list… I know your heart is set on Danks… But if the price is too high for either pitcher….. i have no problem turning to the kids. or a lesser alternative.”

    Yes….price is everything. Its hard to even have these trade conversations without knowing what guys will cost……its all just fun speculation.

  11. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Thank you Mike! :)

  12. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Erin –
    Granderson – Glad Verlander won it .

  13. blake November 29th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    “The idea that a 24yr old 6? 8? horse who throws 97-98 with a wipeout curve and a plus change is expendable for the likes of Gio Gonzalez or John Danks is ludicrous. Bettances profiles as a Josh Johnson type….”

    What would you say are the odds that Betances turns into Josh Johnson?

  14. blake November 29th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    I just can’t see Theo dealing Garza without getting any of the Yankees top guys……that’s just wishful thinking and overvaluing Yankee B listers IMO……..if Im wrong then Ill eat crow and rejoice.

  15. 108 stitches November 29th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Cashman has stated his intentions already. He wants another pitching rotation starter IF it’s reasonable and possibly move Burnett if he finds a taker. He’d consider another LH for the bullpen at least until Chamberlain is ready so that Logan is not overused.
    The Yankees are otherwise in good shape and trading for the sake of trading serves no purpose.
    Let the ludicrous rumors and specuation fly. Cashman will do what’s necessary.

  16. champ809 November 29th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    I would say that the odds are very good….it’s all about giving him the chance.

    I’d like to see that happen here and not in Oak or Chi….

    All players are minor leaguers before they become major leaguers.

    Bettances has been a dominant pitcher at every level of his professional career and is about on the cusp of major league stardom….why give him up now unless it’s for King Felix

  17. dogface November 29th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    What would you say are the odds that Betances turns into Josh Johnson?

    =======================

    4.7%

  18. blake November 29th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    “Bettances has been a dominant pitcher at every level of his professional career and is about on the cusp of major league stardom….why give him up now unless it’s for King Felix”

    I wouldn’t for just anybody…..I wouldn’t trade him for a year of Danks……id consider it for 4 years of Gio Gonzalez though. I love prospects…..and I love high ceilings…..but you have to factor in probability of reaching a ceiling as much or even more

  19. dogface November 29th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Broxton to the Royals. If he’s healthy, and with Holland and Crow developing into solid back end bullpen guys, wonder what impact this has on Soria? Trading with so many closers on FA market seems iffy? Make him a starter?

  20. Gary November 29th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    108 stitches November 29th, 2011 at 9:30 am
    Cashman has stated his intentions already. He wants another pitching rotation starter IF it’s reasonable and possibly move Burnett if he finds a taker. He’d consider another LH for the bullpen at least until Chamberlain is ready so that Logan is not overused.
    The Yankees are otherwise in good shape and trading for the sake of trading serves no purpose.
    Let the ludicrous rumors and specuation fly. Cashman will do what’s necessary.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Sorry, like he did last year? Beyond all the public comments he knows he has definite issues with pitching and problems with offense with a few of the position players. There will be moves and many won’t like them. It’s a sellers market right now, to be realsitic to make a major trade your not going to be able to peddle journeyman players for star players. It’s going to happen, his public comments are meant to mask his real intent. The Yanks aren’t going into next year staying pat with this rotation, it’s just a question of what price as you say it will take to improve it.

  21. randy l. November 29th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    “PS: whats the word amongst Sox fans on Bobby V?”

    blake-

    i’m down here in miami, so im a little out of touch with cape cod and boston fans.

    however , the last 6 weeks up there, i was kind of a lonely guy. for some reason wherever i went. grocery store, post office, local coffee spot, dump, everyone seemed to leave.

    though the dump seemed to have the most red sox fans hanging out.

    not sure what that means

  22. blake November 29th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Randy,

    Lol

  23. Gary November 29th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    randy l. November 29th, 2011 at 9:57 am
    “PS: whats the word amongst Sox fans on Bobby V?”

    blake-

    i’m down here in miami, so im a little out of touch with cape cod and boston fans.

    however , the last 6 weeks up there, i was kind of a lonely guy. for some reason wherever i went. grocery store, post office, local coffee spot, dump, everyone seemed to leave.

    though the dump seemed to have the most red sox fans hanging out.

    not sure what that means

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Same here at Sox Spring training HQ. The many fans here are pretty quiet, none though liked the antics of what went on last year. The few that have talked felt that the house cleaning was overdue and that they are looking forward to a new start. Can’t disagree with them, directionally it was the right move. I’ve posted a few times about their new spring training facility here, city went all out to give them a great venue, much better I think than the Twins venue right down the street that was already a great training facility.

  24. upstate kate November 29th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Blake
    We traveled to MA for Thanksgiving and my sisters did not really want to discuss baseball for some reason.
    They did seem to think Valentine would be good to “kick those overpaid babies butts”

  25. blake November 29th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Kate,

    So the Red Sawks weren’t wicked awesome?

  26. 108 stitches November 29th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    upstate kate November 29th, 2011 at 10:14 am
    Blake
    We traveled to MA for Thanksgiving and my sisters did not really want to discuss baseball for some reason.
    They did seem to think Valentine would be good to “kick those overpaid babies butts”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ESPN will do their delusional usual (with help from former colleague Gammons) and predict the Sockies as AL East champs and straight to the World Series.

  27. randy l. November 29th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    “The many fans here are pretty quiet, none though liked the antics of what went on last year. The few that have talked felt that the house cleaning was overdue and that they are looking forward to a new start.”

    gary-

    the red sox present situation which really is a historic team implosion reminds me of what happened with garciaparra when he was touted by red sox fans as being the best shortstop ever and better than jeter.

    we all know what happened with jeter vs garciaparra and who’s still playing at a high level.

    the red sox as an organization and as a fan base have a corporate culture of over emotionalism. they get too high and too low.its in their DNA as a team.

    the fans quickly go from best team ever to worst team to overly optimistic new dreams of best team ever.

    the reality is they have some serious problems there that will not go away easily.
    the new spring training park must be a big boost to the fort meyers economy too. sounds like a great facility.

  28. austinmac November 29th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Betances’ average fastball in his limited major league experience was 93.5. Granted he had control trouble and he may have been just trying to get it over, but he is not 97-98 on any regular basis. Whether he will ever be a solid major league pitcher is certainly still a question. He has major control issues at 23-24 years old.

    I do not put him in the same prospect class as Montero or Banuelos. He good be quite good or not.

  29. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Not to interrupt the regularly scheduled programming here, but, thought you’ll would like this picture. It’s not the troop formation in the foreground that’s of interest, but, what’s in the background. The first known photo of a baseball game being played. The unit is the Company K, of the 48th Regiment of the New York Volunteers, 1862, taken at Fort Pulaski, Georgia in Savannah Harbor.

    http://www.onthisveryspot.com/.....0_1943.jpg

  30. upstate kate November 29th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Blake
    no, but apparently the Pats and Bruins are…or so I have been told :)

  31. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    GB-that’s awesome :)

  32. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Erin November 29th, 2011 at 10:41 am
    GB-that’s awesome

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You’re most welcome, Erin. Even in 1862 during the Civil War, the Yankees were making baseball history.

  33. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    If it ‘s me, I stand pat with a team that had the best AL Record, give up Nobody, and wait on Darvish.
    IF the news concerning MO’s vocal chords aint good, Darvish does NOT post, and Garza is Still there

    -TRADE PROPOSAL-

    CUBS GET – BETANCES, NUNEZ, AJ
    YANKS GET – GARZA, MARSHALL, Z
    Cubs unload Z, get young and cheap with a Killer B, and replace Aramis on the cheap at 3B. Also cuts payroll in hopes of getting Pujols or Fielder. Yanks get Garza, Robertson goes to Closer, and Marshall becomes The Bridge and adds a Lefty to the pen.

  34. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Yankees No. 42 is now 42: Happy birthday to Yankees icon Mariano Rivera!

  35. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    GB-

    Great photo. Check this photo out of the first known major league pitcher who debuted in 1871.

    http://www.baseball-reference......by_Mathews

  36. austinmac November 29th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    GB,

    Very cool photo. I wonder if their are any earlier baseball photos. The camera hadn’t been in use much before 1862.

  37. blake November 29th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN

    White Sox have been trying to move reliever Matt Thornton (owed two years,$12 m.) since July,sources say,and are still trying to move him.

    5 hours ago via web

    This situation with the White Sox just sounds perfect…..take on Thornton’s salary to facilitate a deal for Danks at a lower cost. The Sox get prospects and about 13 or so million in salary relief …….and the Yankees get a LH starter and their LH reliever…..

  38. champ809 November 29th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    austinmac

    You may not put him in the same prospect class as Banuelos but most in the scouting community feel Bettances is the Yanks best pitching prospect and the one most likely to become a real ace.

    Randy johnson had control problems up until the age of 30 how’d he turn out?

    And Dellin unlike Gio has had extended periods of impeccable control in his minor league career including his 2010 season where his peripheral #’s were beyond dominant.

    .87whip/5.6 hits per 9/ 11.4 ks per 9 .179 batt avg. against…..c’mon dudes that guy should be working toward having his # retired right next to Jeet, Mo, Robbie and Jorge’s…he and Jesus that is.

  39. blake November 29th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    “Yanks get Garza, Robertson goes to Closer”

    Aren’t you forgetting about some guy…..what’s his name…..Mariano something….

  40. champ809 November 29th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    I’ve been suggesting a Danks/Thornton combo deal since the season ended….

    And again can be made without the B’s, Jesus or Sanchez’s

  41. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    -BLAKE-
    You need to read the Entire post. Stop the Evellyn Wood routine, and pay attention to Detail.

  42. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Trader, great old find on that picture of Mathews. I never really gave it a thought about the first pitcher, but, neing first is always good.

    i have a photo of the ’56 or ’57 Yankees preparing to take batting practice before a Stadium game. Mantle, Ford, Martin and Ellie Howard. A great picture, but can’t remember where I got it or how to copy it onto this site. I have no link…just the photo saved.

  43. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Blake-

    The luxury tax effects the Yankees this coming season at 42% of everything over 178M in payroll expenses then shoots up to 50% for them for everything over 189M from 2013 on in the new CBA.

    Might Cashman be concerned about any high priced committments for 2013, like Thornton?

    Will he make that big trade for a starter or just wait on a non tendered starter or focus on a lower cost FA lefty like a Paul Maholm-not that I’d be interested in him?

  44. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Mac, not sure about earlier pix of ballgames, but, that was a regimentle photograph and just happened to be a game in the background. History gets lucky sometimes.

  45. LGY November 29th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    When Hughes turns into Roy Halladay, Joba into Justin Verlander, Banuelos into Johan Santana, and Betances into Josh Johnson the Yankees are set.

  46. CalYank November 29th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    ‘And again can be made without the B’s, Jesus or Sanchez’s’

    ================

    How do you know this for certain ?

  47. blake November 29th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Donny,

    I doubt his vocal cords keep him from pitching……id consider that trade minus the Z for AJ part.

  48. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Baby Jeter

    si_vault Derek Jeter in high school: http://pic.twitter.com/RVdA2dN6

  49. blake November 29th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    “And again can be made without the B’s, Jesus or Sanchez’s”

    Yes….that would be the hope. It manes sense to me…..just have to convince Cash and KW.

  50. LGY November 29th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    IF the news concerning MO’s vocal chords aint good,

    ——-

    The secret to Mo’s cutter are his… vocal chords? :???:

  51. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    LGY November 29th, 2011 at 11:21 am
    IF the news concerning MO’s vocal chords aint good,

    ??-

    The secret to Mo?s cutter are his? vocal chords?

    *****************

    :lol:

  52. dogface November 29th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    This situation with the White Sox just sounds perfect…..take on Thornton’s salary to facilitate a deal for Danks at a lower cost

    ===============================

    Doesn’t sound like the Sox are viewing Thornton as a salary dump, despite his terrible 1st half. From early June til the end of the year, he was much more Thornton-esque (2.20 ERA, .209 BAA, .519 OPS against). In light of the $4M Broxton just signed for, I think they see Thornton as perfectly reasonable at $6M and an asset that should bring them legit return.

  53. m November 29th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    I believe the Yankees angle over the Marlins’.

    How disappointing would it be for a Miami fan to just end up with Reyes & Buehrle after the dog and pony show packs up and heads out of town?

  54. m November 29th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    I’m still not excited about Danks. But if dumping Thornton’s salary is a priority for KW, get the man on the phone and do a deal. Nunez, but no Jesus or either of the B’s.

  55. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    The NY Post seems Very concerned about Mo’s chords. The inside info there isn’t always Directly on the mark, but when a flare goes up, it gets my attention. A Dooms Day Plan should always be tucked away. Losing MO for the start of St and or the start of the season, though certainly not Dooms Day, would be a severe blow to the Yanks. Also, if the Yanks know something concerning a Pivotal player like MO, they aint gonna trumpet it to all of MLB.

  56. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    i have a photo of the ?56 or ?57 Yankees preparing to take batting practice before a Stadium game. Mantle, Ford, Martin and Ellie Howard. A great picture, but can?t remember where I got it or how to copy it onto this site. I have no link?just the photo saved.

    ——————————————————–

    Upload it to any free photo sharing site and then link to it from here

  57. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    donny – your trades get worse and worse by the day.

  58. Patrick November 29th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Wait, why would Marlins fans be disappointed to end up with Reyes and Buehrle? Those are two excellent players.

  59. austinmac November 29th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Champ,

    Betances has very good velocity and a very good breaking ball. Will he ever harness his controla and command? That is the question, and like with all young players, their value is a balance between what could be and the odds of him achieving his potential.

  60. CCBiggs November 29th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Sadly, the Yanks will have a quiet winter and they will remain good enough to make the playoffs, but bad enough to be eliminated in the first round (again).

  61. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    patrick – they would be the 3rd best bat (assuming hanley recovers) and the #2 starter.

    m – Can’t understand how they would be disappointed unless they are so disillusioned that they actually believed the Marlins were seriously trying to sign Pujols/Wilson.

    They will be lucky to get Buerhle and Reyes, they may still get nothing.

  62. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    CCBiggs – What exactly is the difference between a team that can dominate for 162 games and a team that can get lucky and win a 5 game series?

    Oh, that word… luck.

  63. m November 29th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Yes, two players that are better than what they currently have. But Reyes is no Pujols, and Buerhle is approaching his twilight years.

    Actually, I doubt Buerhle signs there. Reyes is the best bet.

    Just making a reference to the premise of Chad’s post.

  64. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    -ID-
    Thanks. That’s the most flattering thing you have Ever said about me.

  65. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    m November 29th, 2011 at 11:26 am
    I believe the Yankees angle over the Marlins’.

    How disappointing would it be for a Miami fan to just end up with Reyes & Buehrle after the dog and pony show packs up and heads out of town?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    What? The Yanks are angling for marlin? Sounds like a great vacation or a sequel to “The Old Man And The Sea”. I can picture old Santiago skippering his fishing boat, “The Yankee Clipper”, telling the kid, “Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the Great Rivera”

  66. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Ther will be a vote December 4th before the meeting in Dallas for the HOF Golden Era candidates. Who gets your vote?

    Ron Santo
    Gil Hodges
    Jim Kaat
    Tony Oliva
    Minnie Minosa
    Ken Boyer
    Luis Tiant
    Allie Reynolds
    Buzzie Bavasi
    Charley Finley

  67. Patrick November 29th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    patrick – they would be the 3rd best bat (assuming hanley recovers) and the #2 starter.

    So isn’t that a pretty massive upgrade for them?

    And to be fair, getting Reyes is more than just getting the “3rd best bat”. When healthy he’s literally the second best SS in MLB. I’d take him over anyone but Tulowitzki at this point. Hanley is amazing but his fielding is really bad. Reyes was the NL MVP before his injury. Signing him would be a major accomplishment for Miami

  68. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    donnybrook – for real, worse every day.

  69. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    patrick – oh i agree they are massive upgrades, even just signing one of them would be a huge upgrade. Apparently people thought they were actually going to sign Pujols/Wilson and all of these other guys too… I just don’t see it. They have not made a serious (acceptable by the player) offer to any of these players yet.

  70. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Oh, that word? luck.

    ————————————-

    So it continues to be luck that Mark and Swisher crap the bed in the post season and for the most part CC does as well?

  71. tucker November 29th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Wonder if Kenny Williams will be a little more demanding of cashman after getting fleeced in the Swisher deal. A combination of Danks and Thornton seems ideal for tue Yanks. The question: what would they give up?

  72. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    triple – yes.

  73. Patrick November 29th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    patrick – oh i agree they are massive upgrades, even just signing one of them would be a huge upgrade. Apparently people thought they were actually going to sign Pujols/Wilson and all of these other guys too… I just don’t see it. They have not made a serious (acceptable by the player) offer to any of these players yet.

    Agreed.

    I can’t believe anyone ACTUALLY believed the Marlins were serious about signing Pujols. I guess if you are a Marlins fan and actually believed Pujols was signing with Miami you would be disappointed. But I doubt many Marlins fans bought that dog and pony show

  74. m November 29th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    tucker,

    I read here that Williams (?) was amenable to Betances in a deal, but not as a centerpiece!

  75. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    triple – it’s not different than them slumping in July. it’s just bad timing.

    you don’t (read: no team in MLB does) make decisions for personnel based on trying to win a 5 game series in October. You plan for getting there, and whatever team is hot in October wins. Happens every year.

    Unless you are going to tell me that the Cardinals, preseason on paper… had some master plan for winning the world series this year other than playing the games…

  76. Joe from Long Island November 29th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Great photos –

    GB – what was a NY outfit doing in Savannah in 1862?

    My choices? Santo (great 3B and ballplayer); Kaat; Minosa; Allie Reynolds; and Bavasi and Finley.

    Great, underappreciated players, and two FO men who spent a lot of time in the game, and, in their own ways, revolutionized it.

    Someone not on that list, but who belongs in the Hall more than anyone else, is Marvin Miller. Petty feelings should not get in the way of historical fact. Miller is responsible for much of how the game in played and carried out today, and there’s no getting around it.

  77. 108 stitches November 29th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 11:40 am
    Ther will be a vote December 4th before the meeting in Dallas for the HOF Golden Era candidates. Who gets your vote?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Tony Oliva

  78. CalYank November 29th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    tucker 11:43 am

    No way for KW to know Swish was going to make an improvement once traded. Surrounded by a better lineup in NY may have helped too, no?

  79. LGY November 29th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Betances and Mo’s vocal chords for King Felix?

  80. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    You guys are forgetting 1 little thing. The player has gotta wantta go there. Pujols, Reyes, et al, are gonna have options that beat Miami all to hell. And a major source of Thornton’s woes last season was the way and frequency Ozzie used him. Ozzie was running that W\Sox bullpen like a ringmaster with Barnum and Bailey.

  81. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    We can trade the chords and keep the arm? maybe we can attach the arm to CC’s back and he can close his own games by turning around.

  82. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    So during the 90′s dynasty years the Yankees just happen to be the luckiest team in the last 50 years of baseball?

  83. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Swish came alive when plugged into that 2 Slot Honey Hole. Since being kicked outta there by Girardi, Swish’s numbers have tumbled, and you all saw what Grandy did outta there.

  84. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    triple – do you have a point to make counter? or plan to address how a team should “plan for the playoffs”?

    or are you just being silly…

  85. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Promote that guy that throws with both arms.

  86. tucker November 29th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I’d give up Betances before Nunez. Betances may be a great pitcher, or he may never get past AAA. When Nunez played regularly during Jeter’s injury, he played very well. I think he can be a 280-290 hitter with decent gap power and base stealing instincts that surpass Gardner. I think he’ll become a more consisten defender, too.

  87. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I didn’t realize this but Ron Santo had the 2nd most RBI’s over a 10 year period 2nd to Hank Aaron. Jim Kaat won 16 GG’s

  88. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    triple – Swisher and Teixeira’s slumps started at the beginning of September, CC’s started at the beginning of August. What does that have to do with the playoffs? Did you think they were just going to magically stop playing the way they had been for the last month because the game was more important?

    like I said, explain to me how the Cardinals 2011 plan was better than the Yankees 2011 plan for winning the world series. Then explain how that plan is different than Boston and Atlanta. Until you can explain… something… I’m moving on.

  89. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    and base stealing instincts that surpass Gardner

    Hilarious what goes for common knowledge around here.

  90. yankeefeminista November 29th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    austinmac November 29th, 2011 at 11:34 am
    Champ,

    Betances has very good velocity and a very good breaking ball. Will he ever harness his controla and command? That is the question, and like with all young players, their value is a balance between what could be and the odds of him achieving his potential.
    ______
    Betances milb walk rates (A+, AA) in 2010 were 2.41 and 1.88. In AAA in 2011, if you throw out the 3 IP game in which Betances had to be removed because of heat stroke, he walked 2/9 IP (4BB’s in 18 innings pitched). That he pitched in 2.2 innings in his mlb debut and walked 6, is hardly some categorically fatal stat.

    It is ironic that Betances’s milb BB stats are virtually ignored for the sake of an argument that essentially blows out of proportion Betances’s control issues. Especially considering that the pitchers that Betances is constantly being “traded” for have had far more “fatal” walk rates in the minors and even in their first years in the majors. Gio: 5.02 BB/9 in AAA, 5.11 first year of majors, 4.44 mlb career. Same thing with Ubaldo when everyone wanted to trade Betances for him: 5.42 AAA, but was able to adjust a year later in mlb. For the record, Baneulos was 4.91, and 4.98 in 2011, AA, and AAA, respectively. So, let’s trade him also. Not!

    Two Lohud fallacies: 1.) Betances is not a mere year younger than Gio. Betances does not turn 24 until the end of March. Gio is already 26 years old. So, the age difference is substantial. 2.) Betances’s control is terrible. Not true, although granted he needs to continue to improve his command; as many young pitchers do. For example, the coveted Drabek’s walk rates in AAA were 4.92. No way Betances’s walk rates will be that high in 2012. So, moral of story, if you are going to use (or misuse) minor league BB stats, in the interest of perspective, please don’t ignore every other pitchers’ inferior milb stats while indicting Betances’ stats, which are actually superior to those you are comparing him to.

    Another point: with the new draft rules, the last thing we want to do is trade one of our near-ready top arms, especially considering it is arguably the best pure arm in the system, and there is no near ready arm behind Betances’s.

    Betances with his stuff is too valuable to rush or give up on. Why would anyone give up on a 23 year old of his caliber? Especially not for a non-ace…

  91. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Thanks, Joe. The union troops occupied the fort in Savannah Harbour to help block the port entrence. The were finally overwhelmed, but it took time. The fort is between Savannah and Tybee Island. When it was built, it was almost indestructable, but, that changed with rifled cannons. The union surrendered the fort because it was in danger of blowing up if the storage magazines were hit and killing most of the defenders.

  92. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    like I said, explain to me how the Cardinals 2011 plan was better than the Yankees 2011 plan for winning the world series. Then explain how that plan is different than Boston and Atlanta. Until you can explain? something? I?m moving on.

    ———————————————————

    You attribute winning in the playoffs as luck so I made a statement about the 90′s teams.
    Certain teams are built for the regular season and not for the playoffs. Having an offense that hits home runs against weak pitching during the reg season but has trouble stringing multiple hits together against better pitching which you see in the playoffs is an issue. You can start by not fielding an entire team minus one player who hits well under 300. Power pitchers with strikeout ability is another recipe for success in the playoffs. Does luck factor into the playoffs? Of course it does but to attribute luck as being the biggest factor is just a cheap reason to excuse the Yankees for bowing out against inferior teams in the first round for way to many years recently

  93. blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    “Betances and Mo’s vocal chords for King Felix?”

    Why would you trade future King Felix for old King Felix……and include Mo’s vocal chords on top of that ;)

    Dogface,

    Maybe so…..but I really don’t think there will be a significant return for a LH reliever that is that age and makes that much money……you could right……Williams is hard to figure

  94. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Santo, Hodges and Kaat should have been in long ago….during their first 15 years of eligibility. Oliva was an outstanding hitter, but, he spent his last years as a DH and his numbers were no better than Puckett’s and Mattingly’s. Either all 3 or nine of them should be in. I’m not buying that Kaat got his numbers fromlongevity or that he was a complier. That’s part of the prerquesits to entry, longevity. Kaat was an outstanding pitcher with some pretty bad teams andf his last 6 years were in relief…not as a starter.

  95. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Certain teams are built for the regular season and not for the playoffs

    False. Every team is built for the regular season.

    All those reasons you just gave are how teams build dominant teams for the regular season. They have nothing to do with the playoffs.

    Those dominant teams should then perform respectably in the playoffs and barring some other team getting really hot (rangers/giants last year, cardinals this year) those dominant teams tend to win.

    Nothing you said shows how the Cardinals plan this year was better than the Yankees plan… they only got better results.

  96. Warning Track Power November 29th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    I truly believe the Yankees(Cashman) are in for a quiet winter.
    The prices are too high. Why should Cashman get the wrong end of the stick in a trade?
    No chance. I give Cashman props for sticking to his guns and not acting like a desperate fool.

  97. tucker November 29th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Per Chad’s question, I see the Marlins’ moves largely as posturing. Which other teams are so public when they are merely meeting a free agent? They need to generate excitement for the new stadium, and remember, MLB officials reportedly met with Marlins’ ownership and implored them to spend money rather than pocket the revenue-sharing dollars.

    As was said earlier, the Pujols offer was a nonstarter. Maybe they get Reyas. But I don’t believe they are seriously pursuing every big-name free agent. The nationals, on the other hand, seem serious in their desire to spend big money to get better.

  98. m November 29th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    About the only thing going for Nunez IS his bat. How will that extrapolate with more time? He still won’t have a significant amount of power.

    Nunez’s defense is bad now. Will it improve? Yes, but not much imo.

    And Gardner will end up being a very, very good base stealer. Very good. And he’s an excellent base runner as it is.

    No comparison on the base paths between Nunez and Gardner.

    As a back up, Nunez is worth more in a trade for another need.

    But I’m amenable to keeping him around to ease any transition of Jeter off of SS. But Nunez is not my long-range solution at the position.

  99. Joe from Long Island November 29th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    GB – thanks for the follow up. I wonder what became of the Union troops when they surrendered? Andersonville?

  100. blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Two Lohud fallacies: 1.) Betances is not a mere year younger than Gio. Betances does not turn 24 until the end of March. Gio is already 26 years old. So, the age difference is substantial…..

    Ok 2 years older……still one guy has been successful in the bigs for multiple years at 26…..one guy has barely pitched in AAA at 24.

  101. yankeefeminista November 29th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 11:53 am
    Promote that guy that throws with both arms.
    ____
    Venditte could (likely) be claimed in Rule 5.

  102. m November 29th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    This team was built to win in the postseason. Thus, they can win in the regular season.

    Any of the 8 teams that makes the postseason is capable of winning it all.

    I’m disappointed in the results of the past 2 years as anyone else is. But you don’t go back to the lab for a new formula. You tweak the roster to make it stronger.

  103. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    He still won?t have a significant amount of power.

    M

    I think if Nunez played full time he could hit 15 to 20 hrs. he has some pop.

  104. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    mike ri – after what, 3 seasons?

  105. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Joe, as long as owners are on the committee to elect executives to the HOF, Marvin Miller will never get in. The owners hate him because they couldn’t break the union. There isn’t an owner alive today that owned a team during the time of Miller.

  106. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    You tweak the roster to make it stronger.

    —————————————-

    exactly you tweak it because this current team was not built to win in the postseason which is why many of us were screaming for Montero to play more.

  107. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    ID,

    You still haven’t addressed my comment about the 90′s teams being the luckiest team in the past 50 years

  108. blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    I would put the probability that Betances is ever as good as Gio Gonzalez is right now as a starting pitcher in the big leagues at less than 25%.

    He may blow up and be way better…..but the odds don’t favor that for most any prospect…..especially pitchers. I can understand wanting to hold on to that upside….and for those with that opinion I respect it…….but you have to weigh everything in these decisions and not just get bogged down thinking about absolute upsides of kids that have never pitched in the majors. JMO. I love prospect huggers

  109. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    this current team was not built to win in the postseason

    You keep saying that, but it’s simply not true.

    The Yankees won more games than any team in the AL this year. No team in the Al was more prepared to win the world series than they were. Their ace coughed up 2 games in a 5 game series. It has nothing to do with Teixeira or Swisher, or some preconceived notion you have that this team was not ready to win in October.

  110. m November 29th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    How would your roster have been different? Jorge was going to breath his last breath in pinstripes until the end. They weren’t taking A-rod off, no matter how weak he was.

    Montero was on the roster, so your gripe is with the management of the roster, not the roster itself.

    Almost 2/3 of the lineup didn’t hit. It is what it is.

  111. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    triple – winning any 5 game series is lucky, they won 4 WS in 5 years.

    I’d call that pretty lucky.

    Luck is the residue of design, and those teams were designed to dominate the regular season, just like I said.

  112. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-

    – ANYONE feeling that Gardner is not an MVP in the making is gonna suffer the -

    – WRATH OF ID -

  113. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    mike ri ? after what, 3 seasons?

    —-
    ID

    LOL LOL . .no … he had 5 in a rookie compaign.. . …. ok . .maybe 10 to 15

  114. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    warning: donny can’t make a point without being ridiculous or ignoring your counterpoints.

  115. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    You keep saying that, but it?s simply not true.

    —————————————————-

    Just as you keep on saying the post season is mostly luck doesn’t make it true either.

    The Yankees were far “better” then Detroit yet Detroit got “lucky” and beat them. Pure bunk

  116. yankeefeminista November 29th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Blake, weighing everything, I won’t waste Betances for someone who isn’t an ace. And Betances has better lefty splits than Gio. ;)

  117. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    si_vault Happy 42nd birthday to Mariano Rivera: http://pic.twitter.com/ELVlw0Jb

  118. m November 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Okay, time to make your pick.

    Red Sox will be choosing and announcing a new manager this week (maybe).

    It will be:

    1) Lamont
    2) Valentine
    3) Other

  119. blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    “Betances has better lefty splits than Gio”

    Against the Eastern League ;)

  120. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    VALENTINE

  121. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Triple – How is that bunk? The Yankees were far better than Detroit all season… and Detroit got lucky and won a 5 game series against a better team one week in October.

    You can’t explain simple counters to your arguement, stop dodging my questions.

    How were the 2011 Cardinals “built to win in the postseason” but the 2011 Phillies were not?

    How were the 2010 Giants or 2010 Rangers “built to win in the post season” but the 2010 Yankees were not?

    You should be able to explain this fairly simply, since it’s so obvious to you.

  122. J. Alfred Prufrock November 29th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
    Two Lohud fallacies: 1.) Betances is not a mere year younger than Gio. Betances does not turn 24 until the end of March. Gio is already 26 years old. So, the age difference is substantial…..

    Ok 2 years older……still one guy has been successful in the bigs for multiple years at 26…..one guy has barely pitched in AAA at 24.
    ///

    Actually, he’s 2.5 years younger. Betances missed a year because of ligament replacement surgery, so suggesting he’s a guy who can’t get through miLB on merit isn’t really accurate. In retrospect, the time off allowed him to develop the best change in the system, so it probably was a blessing in disguse.

  123. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    It is like the same thing when people call the Giants the unluckiest team ever when it comes to injuries.

  124. m November 29th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Let’s not call it luck. Let’s just say that anything can happen in baseball. And that 5-game series really suck.

  125. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    M -
    Valentine

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock November 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    “Betances has better lefty splits than Gio”

    Against the Eastern League
    ///

    Yea, and Gio does a lot of pitching against some awesome pop-gun offenses ;).

  127. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    triple – That is not the same thing at all. The Giants signed injury prone players in the draft every year for the last 6 years, and now they are injured. This is not a surprise.

  128. blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    If Cashman could add Danks and Thornton while keeping Betances, Banuelos, Montero, etc……then he’d get a golden star and the Yankees would enter 2012 with the best ML roster in baseball and a top 5 farm system.

  129. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    prufrock – lets not forget he pitches in Oakland, which has more free outs than any other park in baseball.

  130. austinmac November 29th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    I agree that Thornton would be a good addition, but what set up men(non-Soriano category)make $6M/year? That reduces his trade value, and is likely a big factor in Thornton not being moved yet.

    I am very much in favbor of he and Danks, but, of course, their is always the trade cost and that may be prohibitive.

  131. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Both the Cards and Rangers fortified their Pens at the Trade Deadline. That’s how they built for both a stretch drive, and a playoff\world series run.

  132. blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    “Yea, and Gio does a lot of pitching against some awesome pop-gun offenses .”

    All of which are better than the Eastern league…….now you and YF can’t gang up on me…..not fair. :)

  133. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    donnybrook – Fortifying gaps in your roster at the trade deadline is not the same thing as building your team to win all year.

    In March, no one here would have said the Cardinals had a shot in hell of making the playoffs after losing Wainwright for the year.

    Turns out you have to play the games, and luck play a larger role than what your roster looks like on paper.

  134. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Joe, here are some pix after the battle. Pulaski was first occupied by the Confederates and as part of the union blockades of southern ports, this was part of it. The union took it and blockaded Savannah Harbour to stop British supply ships and traders from getting in.

    I think earlier I said the union surrendered the fort, but, meant the Confederates. the photo I posted earlier was taken in the fall of that year (1862)

    http://americancivilwar.com/statepic/ga/ga001.html

  135. blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    “prufrock – lets not forget he pitches in Oakland, which has more free outs than any other park in baseball.”

    Era + of around 130 over the last 2 years……which is pretty good. I don’t think a deal for him will happen anyway though……not a good match without a 3rd team and that’s really complicated.

  136. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    They won 2 more games then Detroit did.

    Like I have said before there is some luck in any playoffs but I don’t think it is the overall deciding factor. Yes the Phillies had a great staff but they had an anemic offense so no they were not built for the post season. The Rangers last year had a crazy offense (You know guys that actually can hit for 300) and they had Cliff Lee because without him they don’t make it out of the first round against Tampa.

  137. m November 29th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Our bullpen was not the problem.

    Losing Nova in the second inning hurt us. Girardi’s insistence on forcing CC into a relief role cost us one game. Weather played a role.

  138. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Cards and Rangers primary plan was to trade for Gardner, but Cash told ‘em, “No soap”. At that point both teams thought their chances were dashed, but their Plan B panned out.

  139. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    m-for pure entertainment purposes, Valentine. ;)

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock November 29th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    yankeefeminista November 29th, 2011 at 11:56 am
    austinmac November 29th, 2011 at 11:34 am
    Champ,

    Betances has very good velocity and a very good breaking ball. Will he ever harness his controla and command? That is the question, and like with all young players, their value is a balance between what could be and the odds of him achieving his potential.
    ______
    Betances milb walk rates (A+, AA) in 2010 were 2.41 and 1.88. In AAA in 2011, if you throw out the 3 IP game in which Betances had to be removed because of heat stroke, he walked 2/9 IP (4BB’s in 18 innings pitched). That he pitched in 2.2 innings in his mlb debut and walked 6, is hardly some categorically fatal stat.

    It is ironic that Betances’s milb BB stats are virtually ignored for the sake of an argument that essentially blows out of proportion Betances’s control issues. Especially considering that the pitchers that Betances is constantly being “traded” for have had far more “fatal” walk rates in the minors and even in their first years in the majors. Gio: 5.02 BB/9 in AAA, 5.11 first year of majors, 4.44 mlb career. Same thing with Ubaldo when everyone wanted to trade Betances for him: 5.42 AAA, but was able to adjust a year later in mlb. For the record, Baneulos was 4.91, and 4.98 in 2011, AA, and AAA, respectively. So, let’s trade him also. Not!

    Two Lohud fallacies: 1.) Betances is not a mere year younger than Gio. Betances does not turn 24 until the end of March. Gio is already 26 years old. So, the age difference is substantial. 2.) Betances’s control is terrible. Not true, although granted he needs to continue to improve his command; as many young pitchers do. For example, the coveted Drabek’s walk rates in AAA were 4.92. No way Betances’s walk rates will be that high in 2012. So, moral of story, if you are going to use (or misuse) minor league BB stats, in the interest of perspective, please don’t ignore every other pitchers’ inferior milb stats while indicting Betances’ stats, which are actually superior to those you are comparing him to.

    Another point: with the new draft rules, the last thing we want to do is trade one of our near-ready top arms, especially considering it is arguably the best pure arm in the system, and there is no near ready arm behind Betances’s.

    Betances with his stuff is too valuable to rush or give up on. Why would anyone give up on a 23 year old of his caliber? Especially not for a non-ace…
    ///

    Yankeefem, excellent post. Why, indeed; especially for what’s being suggested here. At his best, Dellin is a K machine with five excellent pitches who generates mostly feeble groundballs when they manage to make contact.

    I agree, we shouldn’t rush him. Let him nail down that final frontier for success and then bring him north (south? east? west? — guess it depends on where the wind blows our nomad AAA team ;)).

  141. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Not having any contact/ 300 hitters outside of Cano is another reason

  142. blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    “Losing Nova in the second inning hurt us. Girardi’s insistence on forcing CC into a relief role cost us one game. Weather played a role.”

    The offense lost that game and really the series IMO……the bullpen held as well as could possibily be expected and the Yanks couldn’t capitalize on Fister leaving balls up in the zone.

  143. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    You saw the moves both teams made as July 31 approached. You can’t tap dance, (or whatever that is your doing), around it. That was clearly their plan and it worked as both Mgrs went through their bullpens like nobody’s business.

  144. tucker November 29th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Nunez has been successful in 82 percent of his stolen-base attempts during his big league career. He has stole 27 bases and has been caught 6 times.
    Brett Gardner last year was successful in 79 percent of his stolen-base attempts. He stole 49 bases and was caught 13 times.

    Now, of course this is a small sample size for Nunez. As more teams scout him, his success rate may go down. And in a foot race, I’m sure Gardner is a faster runner.

    Still, Nunez gets great jumps on the pitcher. Gardner usually does, too, but last year and the year before he had prolonged base-stealing slumps where either he did not get good reads on the pitcher or he lacked the confidence to steal the base. The same is true with his batting. He goes through prolonged slumps. There are times it seems as if he wants to swing, but he cannot pull the trigger.

  145. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Losing Nova in the 2nd inning didn’t hurt the Yankees. It would have hurt them bad if they had progressed through the playoffs, though. Pitching carried NYYs through. it was bad hitting in three games that killed NY.

  146. yankeefeminista November 29th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    “Betances has better lefty splits than Gio”

    Against the Eastern League
    _________
    There is something called projection. and if we are comparing milb walk rates, Gio’s epically fail compared to Betances’s. Then there is that plus plus curve ;)

    blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    …….now you and YF can’t gang up on me…..not fair.
    ______
    Gee, blake, I know you are up to it. Or should I say, Gio, blake. :)

  147. Joe from Long Island November 29th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    GB – thanks, again, for the link. Terrific site.

    Lunch is finished – back to work, see you all later.

  148. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    GB7

    it was bad hitting in three games that killed NY.
    —-

    So true . …

  149. J. Alfred Prufrock November 29th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    “Yea, and Gio does a lot of pitching against some awesome pop-gun offenses .”

    All of which are better than the Eastern league…….now you and YF can’t gang up on me…..not fair.
    ///

    LOL. Just because we’ve both seen a lot of him. If you were in my zip code, bet you’d be singing a different tune. For my money, Dellin has a better chance of dominating AL East lineups than your Yosemite Park lefty :D.

  150. DONNYBROOK November 29th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    -TUCKER-
    Cover your head. ID’s gonna give it to ya now.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock November 29th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    I might add, my kid better neutralizes LHB…a good thing in NYS.

  152. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    New Post: The temptation of Matt Thornton

    :arrow:

  153. Mike Ri November 29th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    New Post —— >

  154. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    triple – none of that is planning, you keep talking about results.

    The 2011 Yankees outscored detroit by 108 runs, but only gave up 3 more. By my count that is significantly better. They only beat the Tigers by 2 wins because they didn’t play the Royals and the WhiteSox and the second half Indians 30+ times.

    The phillies did not have an “anemic offense”… after the All-Star break only 1 NL team outscored them.

    The 2010 Rangers had 2 batters that hit over .300, which is not actually an important skill like getting on base is. The 2010 Yankees had a better team OBP going into the playoffs in addition to more runs scored.

    Still waiting for you to explain to me how the 2011 St. Louis Cardinals were built to win the postseason… or why such a poorly constructed roster could possibly beat the Phillies or Rangers.

  155. yankeefeminista November 29th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    The contact hitter’s name is Je-sus Mon-tero. We chose not to use him.

  156. Irreverent Discourse November 29th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    donnybrook – grow up.

  157. blake November 29th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    “The contact hitter’s name is Je-sus Mon-tero. We chose not to use him.”

    :(

  158. Triple Short of a Cycle November 29th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    exactly Blake

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