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A few leftovers from today

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 02, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just so you know the question was asked…

Brian Cashman was asked today whether the new collective bargaining agreement will impact his pursuit of international free agents this winter. Teams are about to pay a premium when they spend big on the international market — and there are some premier international free agents out there — but Cashman wouldn’t comment on the issue.

“I’m not prepared to talk about what the new CBA does to us and how we have to adjust to it,” he said. “I’m still sifting through all of it. It’s a big document, and as you go through it you’re having meetings on every aspect of it as well as trying to do the job at the same time.”

A few other quick notes from today…

• Cashman’s first comment to a small group of reporters this morning: “I publicly challenge Bobby Valentine to join me on the building. Landmark Square. First week of December. Be there.” Valentine lives in Stamford, but Cashman said he wasn’t sure the new Red Sox manager would ever actually join him in the rappel.

• Cashman texted Mariano Rivera yesterday but said he hasn’t heard back from his closer. Rivera was scheduled to have vocal chord surgery today.

• Cashman spent some time touting the 2010 emergence of Phil Hughes and the 2011 emergence of Ivan Nova. “As we continue to look outside for pitching, the next guy we’ve got coming is Noesi,” Cashman said. “Behind that is Betances and Banuelos and Warren and Phelps. We are producing some serious pitching that we’re proud of. Robertson and what he did this past year, just the continuation of what’s been a great pro career so far. We’re going to continue to look for ways to reinforce it, but we’re proud of what we’ve got and have high hopes for what’s coming.”

• Cashman rappelled three times this morning, and said his first time down the building was “remarkably” easier than his first descent last year. He wore a Santa hat with the Yankees logo.

 
 

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90 Responses to “A few leftovers from today”

  1. Erin December 2nd, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    30treinta Ya en Panama @30treinta confirma: Derek Jeter, Andruw Jones, CC Sabathia, Curtis Granderson, Jorge Posada y Rafael Soriano!!! #FLB2011

  2. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Rappel, Rappel; One Man’s Erotic Journey From Manhattan to Stamford

  3. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    jerkface – Where did you get that split data with count and pitch type from?

  4. m December 2nd, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Love the Yankees cap that Cashman wore. Love the public challenge to Bobby V, too.

    If hitters could simply catch up to Robertson’s fastball, then it wouldn’t be considered deceptive. :P

  5. m December 2nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Jerkface throwing his hat into the favorite sabermatrician ring?

  6. Erin December 2nd, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Nick in SF December 2nd, 2011 at 3:41 pm
    Rappel, Rappel; One Man’s Erotic Journey From Manhattan to Stamford

    ********************

    Post of the day

    :D

  7. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    m – uh… exactly? lol… if it wasn’t deceptive then it wouldn’t be deceptive? :)

  8. Jerkface December 2nd, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    texasleaguers

    http://pitchfx.texasleaguers.c.....2F1%2F2011

  9. m December 2nd, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    I think your idea of deceptive is much different than everyone else’s.

  10. pat December 2nd, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    PeteAbePete Abraham
    Bobby Valentine on his way to the DR to recruit David Ortiz:

    They need Valentine to recruit Ortiz to come back to Boston? Write a check big enough and he’ll be back no recruiting required.

  11. m December 2nd, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    pat,

    Ortiz is big on respect.

    I think Boston is making an effort to show respect…right before they present a lowball offer.

  12. pat December 2nd, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Sox hire (rehire?) Dave Magadan as hitting coach.

  13. Erin December 2nd, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Cano (!! :) ) and Ozzie Guillen are reportedly in Panama too

  14. Nick in SF December 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Did Bobby V present Papi with a new blender?

  15. pat December 2nd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Not a good angle for Derek…..

    Derek jeter has arrived to #panama http://yfrog.com/hs68162378j

  16. Shame Spencer December 2nd, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    This wins my award for ‘the greatest comment of the day’:

    m December 2nd, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    I’m telling you, AJ is the Yankees Jesse Pinkman. He’s messed up, he screws up, but at the end of the day he saves their bacon. :P

    ————

    And thanks for all the well-wishes guys. Means a lot. I havent been able to procrastinate with you all much but I’ve kept you in my thoughts (especially with all this Bobby V stuff).

  17. Pat M. December 2nd, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Nick in SF…..I can’t recall a time when I squeaked by on two mid heavy wagers….The St. John’s game had me pacing…..We earned our dough last night……You see something good tonight ???? UCLA getting 31 points is too much for me to turn my back on….I also have the Washington Huskies laying 2 points to Nevada………As for Robertson, even if your sitting dead red, he’s still tough to read because his arm action is not really a trigger mechanism…….Jim Palmer was like that as was The Catfish, Ferguson Jenkins….I know these are pitchers from a different era but look at tape of these guys and you’ll see…..Very tough to square up

  18. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    m – deceptive [d??s?pt?v] adj 1. likely or designed to deceive; misleading

    If I throw a pitch a certain speed, but to you it looks like it came in at a different speed….

    No, I’m pretty sure I am handling the definition of the word correctly.

  19. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    jerkface – That site is excellent, thank you.

    It only leads me to more questions though… how many pitchers throw 60% of their curveballs for strikes? I looked up about 15 pitchers and they were all well below 50%.

    Also the spray charts on there show exactly what I was talking about in reference to his command. He has none. He gets away with throwing tons of pitches right over the plate because his delivery is deceptive. :)

  20. m December 2nd, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Okay, so does Robertson have a sneaky fastball or not? Whether it be by design or not.

    It seems to me that you think that the league will catch up to Robertson one day. That doesn’t change the fact that they can’t deal with his 92-mph straight as a pin fastball in its present incarnation.

  21. Jerkface December 2nd, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    His stuff is good, thats how he gets away with it. Just like Clayton Kershaw gets away with it or Justin Verlander gets away with it or Craig Kimbrel or whoever you wanna pick out. He also has deception because of how he delivers it, but you’re trying to devalue his stuff which is very good.

  22. m December 2nd, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    The curveball does help, tho.

  23. Jerkface December 2nd, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Hitters won’t be able to simply figure out his fastball, because he throws hard and his stride gives his fastballs more working velocity when it reaches the plate and he has a ridiculously good curveball.

  24. pat December 2nd, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    PeteAbePete Abraham
    Ortiz said during our interview: “You could be my manager. I’m not that picky about it. I just want to play and do my thing.”

    Translation- I’ll do what I want when I want and the manager should just be okay with it or I’ll complain to anyone who will listen.

  25. Jerkface December 2nd, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Look at D-robs heat map: http://www.fangraphs.com/heatm.....#038;pal=2

    Then compare to Mariano Rivera, they are actually quite similar. He isn’t getting as lucky as you think.

  26. Yank1 December 2nd, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    All relievers get figured out except MO.

    Or they decline on their own accord (KRod, Papelbon, Lidge, Wagner, etc.)

  27. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    m – It seems to me that you think that the league will catch up to Robertson one day.
    jerkface – He also has deception because of how he delivers it, but you’re trying to devalue his stuff which is very good

    Actually, I wasn’t doing that at all… you guys just missed the beginning of this conversation. I originally said that Robertson’s stuff is good, but i was curious if he would be prone to a colossal change in success with just a little bit of adjustment by hitters.

    I have, through this conversation with LGY… decided that yes, he would experience a huge drop-off in production if it weren’t for this deception of his delivery. I am not convinced that batters can adjust to what he does, but if they do he is in a world of trouble because he has no command of his pitches.

    You guys just caught the tail end where the conversation has broken down into nitpicking small parts of my overall point. :)

  28. Jerkface December 2nd, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    but i was curious if he would be prone to a colossal change in success with just a little bit of adjustment by hitters.

    Nah.

  29. Jerkface December 2nd, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Hitters could adjust if they were allowed to move the mound back 10 feet.

  30. Jerkface December 2nd, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Currently he kind of gets by on “smoke and mirrors”. He doesn’t have great stuff or great command of it… but he has the lowest velocity drop from hand to plate of any pitcher, because when he throws the ball, the ball leaves his hand closer to the plate than any other pitcher (closer than CC, closer than even Randy johnson). This extra velocity his pitches hold all the way to the plate make his fastball “sneaky” (you’ll hear guys like Girardi refer to it as giddy-up or some such nonsense).

    The real question is how long will this trick hold up, will the league figure this out and start swinging a little earlier… or is there some magic to this, much like the cutter, that will continue to be useful for years to come.

    This is your original post. D-Rob is not smoke and mirrors because he has a true power curve and a 93 mph fastball that touches 96-97. And a change and a cutter (that he throws just as hard) and it is impossible for hitters to simply adjust to neutralize his advantage because its not possible. It would be like saying anyone can adjust to Justin Verlander or Clayton Kershaw ETC

    Silly point. D-robs future will always be up in the air because he is a reliever and they have uneven shelf lives, not because of magic adjustments.

  31. GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    The only thing sneaky about Robertson is that he throws harder than people thought he could. a little better fastball but, the same pitches and hitters reactions to a young Bert Blyleven.

  32. jacksquat December 2nd, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Come on ID, Robertson is one of the last guys on this team to be worrying about.

  33. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    jacksquat – who’s worried? don’t jump in here this conversation has been going on for hours.

  34. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    jerkface – It would be like saying anyone can adjust to Justin Verlander or Clayton Kershaw ETC

    No it wouldn’t. We are specifically talking about a player that does something with his delivery to an extreme that no other player in the league does.

    i said he is smoke and mirrors because he is throwing a 93mph fastball that to the batter looks like a faster pitch. how is that anything else BUT deceptive? looking like one thing and the result being different is exactly what I’m talking about.

    If hitters go up to the plate with this knowledge, that they have to start a little early on his pitches… he is left throwing a very hittable fastball right over the damn plate.

  35. Erin December 2nd, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    My apologies if this link doesn’t work either.

    http://yfrog.com/gzbazlzj

  36. jacksquat December 2nd, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    And you know how long I’ve been reading?

  37. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    jerkface – honestly, i’m not interested in continuing this anymore. especially with someone that skipped out on half of my posts and the ones I was responding to.

    Taking things out of context isn’t convincing me of anything.

  38. m December 2nd, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    “If hitters go up to the plate with this knowledge, that they have to start a little early on his pitches…”

    Baseball players aren’t known for being very bright. :P

  39. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    jacksquat – you haven’t said anything until now so i’m assuming you only just read what jerkface copy/pasta’d. it’s not like you bring well through out arguments to the table around here… ever…

    i’m not worried about Robertson, even went as far as saying he has been correcting the things i think are the weakness in his game over the last 2 years… I’m just curious about him because he is an enigma different than any other pitcher. Satisfied?

  40. blake December 2nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    “If hitters go up to the plate with this knowledge, that they have to start a little early on his pitches… he is left throwing a very hittable fastball right over the damn plate.”

    if we know this…you don’t think the hitters do? They know it’s going to get on them quick….its still hard to hit because it explodes….because he hides the ball well….and because you’ve got that hook in the back of your mind…..is Felix Hernandez smoke and mirrors because he’s got a deceptive delivery?

  41. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    m – no they aren’t, but their coaches are :) this is the type of information that i would hope exists inside of Girardi’s binder.

  42. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    blake – felix has command of his pitches… doesn’t walk a ton of guys and throws more pitches… i would consider that a very different situation.

    i mean to imply that the knowledge would definitely make it easier to hit him… but it could only help. I’m trying to figure out if robertson is going to maintain this level of success or if he is prone to regression. Right now i believe the latter for lots of reasons, the secrets of his delivery only being one of them.

  43. PhiltheThrill December 2nd, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    DR’s regular fastball has natural cut to it. It’s sick, then he can cut it a little more when he throws “the cutter.” He’s a special pitcher.

  44. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    For what it’s worth, I enjoyed this conversation.

    Enjoy your weekend everyone. :)

  45. blake December 2nd, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    If DRob had the stamina….I have no idea if he does or not, then they should start him. He’s got the pitches and if he developed his CU more he’d have a nasty arsenal.

    If Hughes had his hook they wouldn’t be looking for a #2 starter right now.

  46. m December 2nd, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Ortiz is seeking long-term security, pointing to the deals that Adam Dunn received from the White Sox (four years, $56 million) and Victor Martinez from the Indians (four years, $50 million) last season.

    “Those guys are DHs. Let’s be honest,” Ortiz said. “To be honest with you, look at what I did. I don’t think I can put myself out of that group.”

    “Do I have to explain what I’m capable of doing? Everybody already knows. I’m not even going to go there,” Ortiz said. “We just need to get into an agreement and when that happens, it’s game on.

    “Everybody knows what it would take for me to stick around. Hopefully [the Red Sox] agree with that. It’s out of my hands. It’s up to them.”

    ———————————————————————————
    The Big Ego speaketh.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....s_sec.html

  47. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    m

    You beat me to it. I just read it .

    Did you read the comment section?

  48. m December 2nd, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    No. Anything good? I’ll check it out.

    He wants to be a 40 year old DH! Or maybe he already is one. :P

  49. LGY December 2nd, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Ortiz is right though. He was beastly last season and those are his market comps. The Sox are probably trying to lowball him.

    He’s older so he shouldn’t expect four years but he really shouldn’t settle for less than 3/35-40.

  50. m December 2nd, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    All but one poster panned him and his comments. The lone holdout only commented on his charity work.

    “Even my dog knows you’re too old to get 3 yrs. guaranteed.”

  51. jacksquat December 2nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Irreverent Discourse it’s not like you bring well through out arguments to the table around here… ever…

    I don’t post long walls of text that could be 10x shorter or posture that I’m always right because I’ve been here a long time and have labaled myself a “regular”, like some others here do. Maybe I should do that and I’ll be taken more seriously!

    I’ve posted plenty of reasonable arguments on this board. Just because maybe you don’t agree doesn’t make them unreasonable or wrong. People don’t always agree with you either.

  52. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    LGY

    If they were willing to let Papelbon go my guess is they won’t consider paying Ortiz that much.

    They may want to use Youk in that role more in order to keep him healthy.

  53. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    m

    One compared him to an arthritic turtle carrying a frig going to 1st. :D :

  54. LGY December 2nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Maine

    That would be great. The Sox offense would take a big hit, so hopefully there is a team out there willing to pay his market value (Blue Jays?)

  55. DONNYBROOK December 2nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    I’m no Ortiz guy, but I respect Anyone who achieves something thru hard work, and then stands up for himself when their sacrifice and perseverence is overlooked in favor of the Holy Dollar. Ortiz was branded washed-up 2 yrs ago, but never lost confidence in himself, and has had 2 very productive seasons as a result. This flare-up is just further proof that the R\Sox are still an absolute disaster both on the field and in the clubhouse.

  56. blake December 2nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Why are the Ya kees interested in Mike Gonzalez?

  57. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    LGY

    It will be interesting to see what the RS do this off season.

    They don’t have alot of trade chips and it sounds like they are going to be a bit gun shy in regard to FA.

  58. blake December 2nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    If I was Ben Cherington (who looks like he’s going to be eaten alive in Boston to me)…….Buerle would be a #1 priority. He would be pretty much exactly what they need.

  59. Yank1 December 2nd, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    “Why are the Ya kees interested in Mike Gonzalez?”

    Obligatory LOOGY to sit on the DL now that Marte is off the books. Feliciano wants a rehab partner.

  60. blake December 2nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    How does Chris Cap get a 2 year contract……..I’ve never seen so many crappy players get 2 year deals for millions of dollars.

  61. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm
    Why are the Ya kees interested in Mike Gonzalez?

    ————————————————————————

    So they can get an n to replace the one you lost in their name.

  62. LGY December 2nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Maine

    Me too. They have a lot of holes to fill. Closer, DH, RF, and two starting pitchers.

    Tbh I’m surprised they haven’t done anything yet. Their manager search consumed way too much time.

  63. GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    LMAO. No wonder Maine doesn’t post much anymore. He’s too busy checking for mistakes by others to dig at them.

  64. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    blake December 2nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm
    If I was Ben Cherington (who looks like he’s going to be eaten alive in Boston to me)…….Buerle would be a #1 priority. He would be pretty much exactly what they need.

    ————————————————————————————-

    Cherrington will have Lucky Larry to help him.

    They need 2 SP unless they put Aceves in the rotation, which has been mentioned.

    Also some talk of making Bard a SP too.

  65. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    LMAO. No wonder Maine doesn’t post much anymore. He’s too busy checking for mistakes by others to dig at them.

    ————————————————-

    I don’t type well enough to call you out on all of yours. :D :

  66. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    LGY

    The manager search has just continued the dog and pony show they’ve had going on there.

  67. austinmac December 2nd, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Gonzalez has good stuff. He is one of those players you always over expect.

    It doesn’t sound like Ken Williams is going to move Danks as if he was a top ten pitcher. Add that to one year left on the contract and one can understand why Cashman is not optimistic on trades.

  68. GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Maine, you’d never have time to go out and shoot breakfast if you tried finding all of my typos.

  69. Pat M. December 2nd, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Jack Squat…..You and Doreen were the first names that I remember when I came here from The Replacement Level Yankees……I think it was during the mid 2007 season…..I have to think you’ll be participating once again in The Old Timers game……

  70. Pat M. December 2nd, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Maine……You and I have improved our typing skills by leaps and bounds when compared to our centennial old friend GB…..GB never passed typing from his days with ” Our Miss Brooks ” as his teacher…..

  71. Irreverent Discourse December 2nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    jacksquat – i only meant that you don’t seem to get into long drawn out bickering, nothing with the length of your *cough* post… :)

  72. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    Maine, you’d never have time to go out and shoot breakfast if you tried finding all of my typos.

    —————————————————————————-

    Hard to pick out your typos.

    My one room school house education didn’t teach spelling.

  73. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Pat M. December 2nd, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    Maine……You and I have improved our typing skills by leaps and bounds when compared to our centennial old friend GB…..GB never passed typing from his days with ” Our Miss Brooks ” as his teacher…..

    —————————————————————–

    That isn’t a very high standard you set for us. :D :

  74. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Pat M

    It seems like the Angels have been making some odd moves the last few years.

    Was it really on the GM.

    I thought Scoscia (sp) had alot of input.

  75. Red Robin December 2nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Saddest Cities in the country :

    (1) New York, NY
    (2) Las Vegas, Nevada
    (3) Reno, Nevada
    (4) Miami, Florida
    (5) St. Louis, Missouri

  76. Red Robin December 2nd, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Are you ok ?

  77. jacksquat December 2nd, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    ID, I try to avoid long, drawn out bickering… I leave that for the women. (duck) :;

  78. ron December 2nd, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    “Why is Robertson so difficult to hit? According to Trackman’s measurements taken in one American League park last season, Robertson, with his exceptionally long stride and reach, released his fastball seven feet from in front of the pitching rubber — the largest average extension Trackman measured in that park. The average MLB fastball extension was five feet, 10 inches”.

    “Imagine if Robertson moves the pitching rubber 14 inches closer to home plate every time he pitches. That’s the kind of advantage he gains over the average pitcher by releasing his fastball with so much extension. The radar gun (and Trackman) clocks Robertson’s fastball at an average of 93 mph. But because Robertson shortens the distance between his release point and home plate, his “effective velocity” is 95 mph. It looks like 93 but gets on a hitter like 95 — thus the illusion of “hop.”

    “Suddenly, Robertson’s ability to strikeout an inordinate number of batters with his two-pitch repertoire makes a lot more sense. We have always surmised that his fastball “played up” a bit, giving him the ability to throw a 93MPH fastball past people on a regular basis, and now we have some evidence to support that assertion. Robertson throwing an “effective” 95 rather than 93 turns the scouting report on him on its head, as he goes from a guy with a good fastball to a power arm (for comparison, only 16 pitchers are averaging at least 95 on their fastballs in 2011). This goes a long way towards unraveling the mystery of how a guy with seemingly solid stuff can have a K-rate that ranks among the best in the league”.

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....cess-28455

  79. Villa Nova-Ya December 2nd, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Seems to me, jacksquat, that most of the long drawn out bickering here on Lohud is not among the women posters….

    :)

    I will not comment on life beyond the blog.

  80. GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Pat M., I see where John Hart has picked Edwin Jackson as the under-the-radar and inexpensive FA choice this winter. Not as a #1 or #2 on a good team, but as a #3-5 type. He’s still just 28 and can finally put things together over a season. Why not? Even CJ Wilson seems to have.

  81. GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Maine, perhaps you could save some time by just picking out the words that I spell correctly.

  82. blake December 2nd, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Comment From Peter
    Who’s your top BlueJay pitcher?
    1:08

    Frankie Piliere:
    That’s a very tough one. But I’ve answered this similarly before. I go with Daniel Norris. I know he’s of course the least experienced but I’ve said since I saw him at the PG National I thought he’d be special. Sticking to that.

    Yanks could have had him :(

  83. blake December 2nd, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Comment From Hutch the Butch
    Bichette and Santana both over Romine on your Yankees rankings?
    1:18

    Frankie Piliere:
    Yes I’d have them both over Romine. No knock on Romine, just how much I like the other two guys. They Yankees have really restocked again at the lower levels.

  84. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    GB7

    Jackson seems too much like AJ.

    I think I’ve heard that finally put it together phrase about him for several years.

  85. GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Maine, I don’t know whether Jackson ever makes it or not, he’s still an intruguing to imagine “What If?”.

  86. GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    ***intriguing***

  87. Pat M. December 2nd, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    GB……I can fully understand and respect Maine’s point of view regarding Edwin, but man o man what an and with top shelf stuff…..Much like AJ he’s inconsistent…..I’ve mentioned this before but when he first came up to The Dodgers ( way too early ) , Vinny Scully told all his listeners that Edwin Jackson has the stuff to be something quite special…..I’ll get torched for this comment, but there’s only a few guys who I’d want ahead of him…..I rather him over Buehrle for certain…..He’s power pitcher who needs tutelage by a power pitching type coach…..

  88. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    GB7

    Unfortunately life is full of what ifs.

    Like what if you learned how to type.

  89. MaineYankee December 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Pat M

    It’s not that I don’t like him.

    It just seems like a number of teams have tried him only to trade him away.

    I was watching him pitch in the playoffs and how the commentors were talking about him sounded just like AJ.

  90. GreenBeret7 December 2nd, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Pat, it might be a toss-up between Buhrle and Jackson for me, but, I’d take Jackson over Wilson any time, mainly because he could be signed and moved at a lower cost to NY if necessary. There’s still a young pitcher with a great arm waiting to break loose. I always go back and look at a 26 year old failure named Guidry breaking loose in 1977.


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