Yankees notes from Day One: Cashman playing it cool
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 05, 2011 
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This was probably the line of night from Brian Cashman, and it pretty well sums up the Yankees situation heading into these Winter Meetings.
“This isn’t the old seat-of-the-pants, get drunk in the lobby and write names on the napkin,” Cashman said. “People don’t conduct business that way any more. They just don’t.”
The Yankees are not doing anything by the seat of their pants this winter. They aren’t making any sudden moves, and they aren’t making any decisions that aren’t carefully considered. When Cashman walked into the Hilton Anatole some 24 hours after most baseball executives, it was with no sense of urgency or panic.
Like it or not, this is the way the Yankees are going about things this winter.
“I’m not down here to sit back and order room service for four days and be content,” Cashman said. “I’m going to keep trying, but I just don’t want to be stupid. Obviously if we do something, I want it to be something we feel really good about. I’m not going to do something just to do something because that’s what you do at this time of year… I think it’s best to not feel good about anything. I know we have a good team. I know we have a lot of talent, but I don’t think it’s the right mindset.”
• As of the moment he arrived at the hotel, Cashman had no meetings — with GMs or agents — scheduled, but he said that would change pretty quickly.
• Cashman has had “very little, so far” contact with Andruw Jones or Eric Chavez, but he said he does have interest in bringing both of them back. He’s not looking to address the bench right now, so those two will wait.
• Cashman also has interest in Bartolo Colon but wouldn’t guarantee him a rotation spot. “When we signed him last year we told him rotation or bullpen,” Cashman said. “If we sign him again this year, it’d be the same circumstance.
• On trade offers: “I’ve got a lot of teams expressing interest in Nova, Gardner, Hughes, Montero, Noesi, Banuelos, Betances; I’ve had teams ask me about Robertson,” Cashman said. “The ones that people don’t ask me about are Cano and Granderson. Outside of that, I’ve had basically hits on everybody else. All those guys are either future high performers or currently high performers, they’re under control and they’re cheap. It’s, ‘Hey, take my older, expensive, over-the-hill guy for your young, better-performing guy.’ I’m like, ‘Let me think about that and get back to you.’”
• Cashman on his own trade proposals: “I’m sure my ideas are as distasteful as the ones I’ve received.”
• A team source indicated that the Yankees could take someone in Thursday’s Rule 5 draft, but they pick so late they’re not sure any of their targets will still be available.
• A rival executive thought it was possible a team like the Yankees — though not the Yankees specifically — might spend huge money on the international market this winter because of the new CBA. The same executive said he likes Yoenis Cespedes, but the asking price is astronomical. He also likes Yu Darvish, but has concerns about his stuff translating in the big leagues.
• Cashman in response to the Post story that the Yankees are focusing on future spending in the wake of the new collective bargaining agreement: “I haven’t commented so far on the new CBT, so I’m going to maintain that at this stage. But everything is clearly relevant, so you have to factor it all in.”
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cash citing the williams for dimaggio supposed trade…
I’m trying to imagine what it would take for the Yanks to get Hanley Ramirez. Would Montero+Gardner+Robertson be enough? (If Gardner were part of a trade for Hanley, I’d put Jeter in LF.)
Expecting Cashman to look at those players that will be non tendered by December 12th.
No lefty Danks or Gonzalez-asking price too high? No Buehrle for 14M/year x 3 years and a NTC?
Think lefty Tom Gorzelanny?
Ryan Spillborghs? Skip Schumaker?
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
“Montero+Gardner+Robertson be enough?”
I’d rather keep Montero and my possible future closer …..both of whom are very cheap than to pay Hanley 15 million plus for the next 3 years……Hanley is very talented….but he’s also pretty expensive….nearing 30…and his production has been in decline for 2 years now.
I’d be interested in him if they made him available……but wouldn’t trade those players for him because I think it’s a net loss for the Yanks.
Is that an armadillo in that picture????
The armadillo – MLB’s new mascot?
The White Sox have hired Robin Ventura to manage, and have pretty much acknowledged that they did so with the expectation that the next few years would be rebuilding years. At least, that’s how it seems to this observer.
Well, if that’s the case, then they have no need for veteran pitchers who pull in significant salary, and they should be in the market for young, cost-controlled/cheap players who look to be around for a while.
Logically, then, despite what Kenny Williams is saying on December 5, John Danks is on the block. If you want to buy now, you get to pay the premium price. If you wait, you get the discounted price.
And, if you’re Brian Cashman, with Yu Darvish waiting in the wings – conceivably ready to post as early as next week – you have the luxury of saying to Williams – hey, you know my minor league system has the recent track record of producing ML capable pitchers, make a deal with me now, at my price, or take the risk that I’ll sign Darvish, and you’ll be left with someone else’s promises.
I’m just trying to be logical. Maybe I’m off on this.
LGY,
How exactly are the Knicks going to get CP3? He still has a year left on his deal and they got rid of everything worth any value for Mello. Just because he says he wants to play there doesn’t mean squat, the Knicks couldn’t even afford him if he was FA.
Villa-
The armadillo is the official Texas state mascot.
Trader, LHRP….Gorzelany. gonzalez as FA along with non-tender possibilites like Mijares from Minnesota.
Joe, I’d never say that you’re off. Now Randy….that’s different.
Joe-Sports Hochi: Yu Darvish could decide on posting some time this week
by Gen on Dec.05, 2011 @ 2:21 pm, under MLB, NPB
Sports Hochi is reporting that Yu Darvish (25) could ask the Nippon Ham Fighters to post him as early as some time later this week (likely after the Winter Meetings). And depending on the conditions (salary, bonus, planned usage) could opt to return to the Fighters next year — Arn Tellem and Darvish have apparently said that if they can not get an offer that is considered “appropriate for Japan’s Ace,” they will simply withdraw from negotiations and Darvish will return to Japan in 2012. It is possible Darvish could be seeking at least US$8M a year.
On Yu Darvish:
@Jim_Duquette Jim Duquette
Source- Nats are the team offering 6th year to CJ Wilson.
Doc Joe….Good read and a solid post…
Damn. After the Angels lose out on CJ they are definitely going to sign Kuroda. Oh well.
GB-
Gorzelanny could actually be a spot starter -had very good numbers against lefties .157 BAA, .497OPS.
LGY
Mike Sciosa might have some say on nixing Kuroda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER3lkFFVqk0
Joe,
I think you’re on not off there…..
pretty predictable that the Nats would be the team there to go 6 on Wilson….they have the money and they do dumb things…..but they need to make offers like that to build what they are trying to build…..Strasburg, Wilson, Zimmerman would be a pretty darn good front 3 if all stayed heatlhy
From what has been rumored the Nats would rather lock up Buehrle on a 3 year deal and might offer him the NTC he desires, rather than be stuck with a long term deal for Wilson.
LostNYY Lost ..
#Yankees aren’t touching Danks at that asking price. In fact, Yanks tentatively proposed Romine, Noesi, +1 ?
42 minutes ago
take it for whatever you will…
unless the AAV is really low I can’t see anybody else going to 6 years for Wilson….maybe the Marlins if they really wanted to make a push but just can’t see anybody else going there.
Hang tough, Cash.
Noesi is too much to give up for Danks
I like Noesi…..hope he gets a real shot next year if he’s still with the club. He’s better than AJ right now.
Mike
The Knicks have cap space and the ability to get creative under the new CBA to get CP3 his money if he hits free agency.
No one is trading legit assets from Paul to have him bolt to NY at the end of the year just like no one did for Melo (despite a million reports saying certain teams would). And Paul is not extending with a team like Golden State or Houston.
Don’t get caught up in the rumors. When Paul’s agent delivered those magic words, “He wants New York” last week it was game.set.match. By the start of the 2012-2013 season CP3 will be a Knick.
Romine, Noesi & DJ Mitchell/Corban Joseph/Laird for Danks….Get it Done Cashman!!
If Noesi is truly hitting 98 with contol on the radar gun and is similar and possibly better than Nova, no deal for me on Danks.
blake, sounds bogus to me.
YF,
yea…I said take it for whatever you wish….that sounds like an appropriate offer though to me….I’d try to keep Noesi out though.
Get me lefty Chris Sale, instead of Danks, and I’d consider giving up Noesi
Trader, Gorzelany would be fine in either role, but, giving them more than three outs would be fine with me. Really like Mijares though. Not sure why he was listed as a possible Non-tender, unless it’s a command issue. Gonzalez, I’m undecided.
If the Phillies don’t re-sign Rollins then who is going to play SS for them?
Sale is probably the one guy they aren’t interested in dealing…
blake, for a rental?
YF,
you aren’t getting him for free…..I would guess Cashman would do that deal…especially if he could keep out Hector.
blake December 5th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
LostNYY Lost ..
#Yankees aren’t touching Danks at that asking price. In fact, Yanks tentatively proposed Romine, Noesi, +1 ?
42 minutes ago
take it for whatever you will…
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I wouldn’t wrap 5 dead fish in that supposed deal. Then again, considering the source.
I guess the Nats learned nothing from Jason Werth
GB-
You’re referring to Alex Gonzalez of the Braves-correct?
Hard for me to believe the braves are willing to trust the SS position to Tyler Pasternicky.
blake, whose replacing Noesi? The deal was Romine, Noesi…
spidanyc December 5th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Romine, Noesi & DJ Mitchell/Corban Joseph/Laird for Danks….Get it Done Cashman!!
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Why not just add the rest of the AAA and AA rosters to that trade? Good God.
*who’s*
GB, QFT.
Trader, Mike gonzalez as a lefty reliever.
“blake, whose replacing Noesi? The deal was Romine, Noesi…”
well I don’t know if that’s true or not…..I do think it’s realistic that the Yankees may have offered that though.
what I meant was that I’d prefer to not trade Noesi.
GB-
Not a big Mike Gonzalez fan.He’s a FA not a non tender candidate, correct? Looks like lefty Joe Saunders might resign with the Diamondbacks.
blake, who are you offering in Noesi’s place for a one year rental?
That sounds like exactly the type of package they’d offer for Danks.
Trading Noesi would be unfortunate but the Yankees have pitching depth.
yankeefeminista December 5th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
blake, who are you offering in Noesi’s place for a one year rental?
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Don’t you just offer Hughes instead and convince K-Will and his staff they are getting Humber 2.0
Why is Danks considered definitely a one year rental?
Someone please tell me what is so special about Danks !
I wouldn’t give up any “ONE” of the young guns for him, PERIOD !
Why not just add the rest of the AAA and AA rosters to that trade? Good God.
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Oh no the yankees might trade 3 of their lower tier players for a solid lefty!! Better break out the hyperbole.
“blake, who are you offering in Noesi’s place for a one year rental?”
I’d rather include Warren or Phelps, or Mitchell etc……..but Williams will likely want more. It’s a rental….but the Yankees are about winning every year in addition to building for the long term…..if they can increase their chances in 2012 and do it by dealing some excess they have in the system then that’s something they would likely be interested in doing…..this may be Rivera’s last year….Jeter and Alex are getting older….within reason I think they’ll do what they can to push for a title
Plus – if Danks is pitching for a new contract – he could have a really good season – we benefit from that – and then look into possibly resigning him next offseason – at least then we know he can handle NY
Jerkface December 5th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Why not just add the rest of the AAA and AA rosters to that trade? Good God.
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Oh no the yankees might trade 3 of their lower tier players for a solid lefty!! Better break out the hyperbole.
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That got a chuckle from me – you do speak the truth with that response.
Due to the incentives afforded the Yankees to keep payroll below 189M from 2014 thru 2016, as was well stated in the NY Post article by Joel Sherman, there would be hazards to adding expensive contracts now, that would extend thru 2014 and beyond.
Maybe the Yankees are looking at Danks, therfore, only as a one year rental, but the price is still too high.
“Someone please tell me what is so special about Danks !”
short term comittment, left handed, track record of success in the AL, 26 years old, room to improve…..he’s not a #1 starter and nobody ever said he was….but he’s a good 2 or 3 and that’s what they could use…..the question is whether they can get him without including their top guys…..if they can’t they’ll probably pass.
Someone please tell me what is so special about Danks !
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Lefty, throws a lot of innings, 26 years old, not as expensive as any of the other lefties and younger than beurhle. Had a 3 year 3.61 ERA run before last years misstep so you’d be buying low on a guy with talent. He has good control, a great change up which is a pitch that most Yankee players don’t feature (CC has a great one but his slider is usually his out pitch, and if Garcia is in the rotation he has a splitchange, but in general most Yankee prospects seem to reach the majors without one so I think its a good change of look.)
Theres a lot to like about Danks. Will most likely net a draft pick when he leaves in FA. I’d definitely trade Romine for him.
Yankee Trader December 5th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Due to the incentives afforded the Yankees to keep payroll below 189M from 2014 thru 2016, as was well stated in the NY Post article by Joel Sherman, there would be hazards to adding expensive contracts now, that would extend thru 2014 and beyond.
Maybe the Yankees are looking at Danks, therfore, only as a one year rental, but the price is still too high.
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So does this hold true when Cain and Hamels hit the market next offseason – and then Lincencum after them?
It’s, ‘Hey, take my older, expensive, over-the-hill guy for your young, better-performing guy.’ I’m like, ‘Let me think about that and get back to you.’”
Cashman is so boss. Love it. His whole attitude is like “Pfft.”
Noesi for Danks? Uh, yeah. Let’s give you our dirt cheap up and comer for your guy about to hit FA.
Danks also had a much higher than usual BABIP last year (.313) and his FIP was 3.82 which is more in line with what type pitcher he usually is.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Danks pitches better than he’s pitched thus far over the next few years. I still wouldn’t put Noesi in a deal for him at this point.
The 2013 rotation is going to be:
Sabatha
Nova
Hughes
AJ
Noesi
Banuelos
Betances
Noesi
if they don’t trade somebody(s)
If the Yankees intend to fall below the salary threshold, it indeed means they cannot go after a $20M/yr. pitcher. That would mean nearly $95M for four players with many big salaries on top of that.
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Mike Rizzo just told me the Nats did not go to 6 years on CJ Wilson
1 minute ago
ah the rumors and misinformation at the winter meetings
GreenBeret7 December 5th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
spidanyc December 5th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Romine, Noesi & DJ Mitchell/Corban Joseph/Laird for Danks….Get it Done Cashman!!
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Why not just add the rest of the AAA and AA rosters to that trade? Good God.
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Romine, Noesi & DJ Mitchell or Joseph or Laird, not all
My latest predictions due to change at any time>
Buehrle will get a 3 year contract and a NTC and will sign with the Nats.
Hanley Ramirez will not be traded this offseason by the Marlins
Pujols will resign with the Cardinals after talking to them tonight, but it will be the Marlins in a very close 2nd.
Fielder will get a contract offer from his hometeam the Brewers and resign, unless the Cubs jump in with a substantially better offer.
David Ortiz will not be a Yankee!
With that it’s good night. Until tomorrow
nickcafardo Nick Cafardo
by Jon_Heyman
Terry Francona is in the house. Looks like he could replace Bobby Valentine on ESPN.
8 minutes ago
now that would be a great sign.
Jerkface December 5th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Someone please tell me what is so special about Danks !
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Lefty, throws a lot of innings, 26 years old, not as expensive as any of the other lefties and younger than beurhle. Had a 3 year 3.61 ERA run before last years misstep so you’d be buying low on a guy with talent. He has good control, a great change up which is a pitch that most Yankee players don’t feature (CC has a great one but his slider is usually his out pitch, and if Garcia is in the rotation he has a splitchange, but in general most Yankee prospects seem to reach the majors without one so I think its a good change of look.)
Theres a lot to like about Danks. Will most likely net a draft pick when he leaves in FA. I’d definitely trade Romine for him.
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Okay, Romine. But Williams wants the farm system for him.
We have a lot of young talent coming soon and don’t need to trade a bunch of it.
Wish they could sign Madson and trade Sorryano & AJ.
blake December 5th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
nickcafardo Nick Cafardo
by Jon_Heyman
Terry Francona is in the house. Looks like he could replace Bobby Valentine on ESPN.
8 minutes ago
now that would be a great sign.
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I just never would have guessed this a year ago. . . .not even with multiple choice.
Noesi for Danks? Uh, yeah. Let’s give you our dirt cheap up and comer for your guy about to hit FA.
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I would trade Noesi for danks and I’m a guy that has said they should deal high on Nova and put Noesi in his spot. Noesi is cool. I love that he doesnt walk many guys and strikes guys out, but he isn’t like… super A+. He had his struggles at the major league level and we have lots of guys behind him as well that I think can provide similar production.
Miami would be smart to trade Hanley. Even though he had a down year, they can pawn him off as a change of scenery candidate. Hanley probably loves Miami, but a) he won’t have to deal with Ozzie who, despite his protests, does throw players under the bus and b) he won’t have to share the spotlight with Jose! Jose!
“Wish they could sign Madson and trade Sorryano & AJ.”
I’d love to trade AJ….but why would you want to give even more money than you’re giving Soriano to a 7th inning guy? At least Soriano might opt out after next year.
Okay, Romine. But Williams wants the farm system for him.
We have a lot of young talent coming soon and don’t need to trade a bunch of it.
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Obviously you don’t trade the farm system but the Yankees bounty of young talent IS coming and that means you need to pick and choose who actually stays. The Yankees are not going to have 20 spots open for all these players and simply keeping them all ‘just in case’ is a misallocation of resources. The Yankees need to figure out which guys they want to keep and which guys they want to deal. Internal scouting. Then deal the excess.
We have like 10 guys who are probablly 3-5 spot pitchers. Nova, Noesi, Warren, Mitchell, Phelps, Hughes, etc. Deal from strength.
Stoneburner-
From the NY Post article. The Yankees will have about 78M tied up in 2014 with ARod, CC, Tex and Jeter if he picks up his player option. Plus there will certainly be an extension for Cano and probably Granderson to factor in. So yes, maybe no Hamels, Lincecum.
If they are at $189 million or less for the three seasons from 2014-16, they not only avoid paying one cent in luxury tax, which would rise to 50 percent for them as repeat offenders, but they also would get roughly $40 million in savings via the to-be-implemented market disqualification revenue sharing program. However, only teams under the luxury-tax threshold get reimbursed in this program, which is designed to prevent big markets such as Toronto and Washington from receiving revenue sharing dollars, which in turn will lower how much teams such as the Yanks pay (as long as they are under the threshold).
And even if they just went under $189 million for 2014 before going over again in 2015, the Yankees would receive serious benefits. They would get about $10 million in the revenue sharing disqualification program. Also, by simply going under the threshold once, the Yankees would go back to having a 17.5 percent tax rather than the 50 percent that begins in 2014 for them if they never go under. Keep in mind that since the luxury tax went to 40 percent for them in 2005, the Yankees have averaged paying $25.75 million in tax annually
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1fih7AR37
The CBA changes make it more important than ever to grab deals like Darvish. Posting fee won’t count and atleast half his contract years will be single digit.
In the absence of Yankee news…….Sox putting Bard in the rotation? Didn’t think they would go there with Pap leaving.
Hoping Papi will take 2 years at a lower AAV (2/$20) than the raise for 1 year he would get for accepting arbitration (1/$13). I would think Papi will shop that a little.
I don’t think Bard to the rotation is a very good idea.
Jerkface,
I completely agree with your last two posts. Trade the excess and use your money on this last opportunity.
They already tried bard in the rotation and it was a disaster. I hope they try again!
Rumors are fast and furious!!
8:59pm: Nationals GM Mike Rizzo told Jim Bowden of ESPN and MLB Network Radio (Twitter link) that he didn’t make a six-year offer to Wilson. Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post talked to three Nats sources who said the same thing
You will overpay for Danks. To give up Noesi and Romine, plus two more prospects that they will probably demand, doesn’t make sense for a #2. You’d have to go second tier Warren/Phelps or I wouldn’t make that deal. KC gave up less for Greinke; Cubs gave up more for Garza but he was still in arb.
If the Yankees want a #2 starter and can get one without giving up Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Sanchez, Williams, etc then I think it’s something they’d consider…..again the are thinking long term….but they also probably realize that they have a window for a championship that’s still open now but could close for a year or two when the torches are finally passed on to the next group….
If Hiroki Kuroda was willing to do a one year deal, he’d be a reasonable choice until one or both of the Killer B’s are ready for the rotation, rather than overpaying for Danks if the Yankees are only looking at a one year rental.
Maybe the Yankees can entice the Reds to trade them lefty Aroldis Chapman, a player I wish the Yankees had gotten.
If Hiroki Kuroda was willing to do a one year deal
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Pretty sure thats all he wants? He only asked for 1 year last season as well.
Sherman’s 2014 “austerity” budget for the Yankees sounds like the kind of long term planning businesses kick around and then modify when the long term becomes short term so don’t take it as written in stone- especially since no one with a name has confirmed the conversation happened.
Too bad White Sox are asking for both Montero and Banuelos. lol. Dream on, Kenny W.
“Too bad White Sox are asking for both Montero and Banuelos. lol. Dream on, Kenny W.”
he was just drunk and wrote those names on a napkin
blake December 5th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
If the Yankees want a #2 starter and can get one without giving up Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Sanchez, Williams, etc then I think it’s something they’d consider…..again the are thinking long term….but they also probably realize that they have a window for a championship that’s still open now but could close for a year or two when the torches are finally passed on to the next group….
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I think Cash is playing it right so far. Don’t give into ridiculous demands, just let the other GMs wait. The Yanks are the most complete team in baseball right now. All the other GMs are the ones who have to hustle to make things work.
With the plethora of closers available, it’s worth a try. Go for it, Sox!
m December 5th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
With the plethora of closers available, it’s worth a try. Go for it, Sox!
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Joba has more pitches than Bard. And is better suited to start.:D
Jerkface-
Now that Hiroki Kuroda is willing to sign with someone other than the Dodgers plenty of teams are interested in the 36-year-old starter and Steve Henson of Yahoo! Sports reports that he’s in serious discussions with the Diamondbacks.
In fact, according to Henson a deal with Arizona “could get done this week” if Kuroda is willing to drop his demand for second-year player option
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......oki-kuroda
Jerkface December 5th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
If Hiroki Kuroda was willing to do a one year deal
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Pretty sure thats all he wants? He only asked for 1 year last season as well.
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That would be a good deal for Yanks.
Sherman’s 2014 “austerity” budget for the Yankees sounds like the kind of long term planning businesses kick around and then modify when the long term becomes short term so don’t take it as written in stone- especially since no one with a name has confirmed the conversation happened
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Yankees have obviously never feared paying the luxury tax, but with being over the threshold also impacting their cut of revenue sharing, it’s not unreasonable to think they are going to be a little more careful.
MartyCaswell Marty Caswell
by Jon_Heyman
With Terry Francona joining ESPN (along w/former BoSox Nomar & Curt Schilling) can we just rename it the Red Sox Tonight crew?
5 minutes ago
isn’t that what it was already called?
blake December 5th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
MartyCaswell Marty Caswell
by Jon_Heyman
With Terry Francona joining ESPN (along w/former BoSox Nomar & Curt Schilling) can we just rename it the Red Sox Tonight crew?
5 minutes ago
isn’t that what it was already called?
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After the way that the Sox canned him, Francona may not be kindly disposed towards them anymore.
Tito was really good in the playoffs for FOX….especially since he really had never even done that before. I think he’ll be good and Sunday night baseball might be watchable for a change.
Jon Gruden actually said this tonight “Phillip Rivers is best qb in the AFC.”