Girardi waiting for role players to fall into place
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2011 
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Joe Girardi just arrived in Dallas. He said he’s been only loosely following the Winter Meetings, but he certainly knows the Yankees haven’t done much this offseason.
“Obviously those role players that did so well for us last year, those are roles that have not been filled yet,” Girardi said. “I think that’s important to our club, because we do have some age and we do like to give guys a day off here and there. I thought Andruw Jones did a tremendous job for us and I thought Chavez did a tremendous job for us as well. We missed Chavez when he went down for that two and a half months, so I think those are important roles that we need to fill. I know we’re trying to increase our starting depth, and if not, some kids are probably going to get a chance to maybe step up this year.”
The Yankees have made it clear that they’re prioritizing rotation depth ahead of bench players.
“It’s kind of what we did last year, and that depth became extremely important for us,” Girardi said. “We saw some teams struggle with that; as guys got hurt, they were hard to replace. We were fortunate enough that we had depth, so that’s important going into spring training. You never know what’s going to happen.”
Andy Martino @SurfingTheMets
One source with knowledge of the situation said to be “on red alert” for a Pujols deal Tuesday night.
5 minutes ago via TweetDeckji
@BobKlap
Told #A’s asked #Yankees for either Banuelos or Betances, plus Montero for Gio Gonzalez. Not happening.
Manager Girardi only now arrives at the Winter Meetings????
Arrogant!
They ask for Montero and Banuelos ……but they really are just trying to get the price to Gardner and Phelps.
@BobKlap
Told #A’s asked #Yankees for either Banuelos or Betances, plus Montero for Gio Gonzalez. Not happening.
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So they’re talking!
Ken_Rosenthal 58 secs Sources: Meeting between #Marlins and Dan Halem of commissioner’s office was indeed about matters relating to possible Pujols contract. #MLB
GIO ON THE MOVE?
Along with Andrew Bailey, Gio Gonzalez has been a popular name here at the Winter Meetings this week. He’s obviously been the subject of much trade talk — the Marlins, Red Sox and Yankees are among the rumored teams to be interested, while Billy Beane shot down talk of the Royals being in. But on Tuesday he was asked if he has considered locking up Gonzalez to a long-term contract, as he’s already done with young hurlers Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson, along with catcher Kurt Suzuki. It’s a fair question and one I know several fans have asked all year.
Billy’s response?
“We had had some conversations last year, but not right now I don’t think, because of some other things more immediate, more pressing.”
Translation: The A’s really can’t touch payroll until a stadium decision comes through, which is why they’re leaving open the possibility of trading Gonzalez in an effort to net a handful of prospects that could welcome in fans to a potential new stadium in San Jose in a few years.
Of the Marlins, Red Sox and Yankees, the Marlins appear to represent the best trade partner at this point for Gonzalez — especially if they sign Albert Pujols. With Pujols in tow, they’d seemingly be able to move either outfielder Logan Morrison and/or first baseman Gaby Sanchez — guys that could make a big impact in Oakland.
The Red Sox, meanwhile, depleted their farm system when acquiring Adrian Gonzalez, and the Yankees don’t exactly have the high-upside outfielders the A’s need and want.
-Jane Lee
@KenDavidoff
#Yankees think trade for a starting pitcher is more likely than a free-agent signing. You know the names: Danks, Gonzalez, Garza.
So which is it?
Beane wants Montero + Banuelos or Betances
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Beane wants OF prospects Yankees don’t have
The “Ubaldo Jimenez” package asking price for John Danks is the biggest load of BS to come out of these meetings so far.
First of all, the Ubaldo Jimenez asking price was always BS. He was never worth what the Rockies were asking for. Second, Ubaldo Jimenez actual value didn’t match up anywhere close to that asking price. I wonder what the Cleveland fans are thinking about the whole thing. I wouldn’t be excited with those results.
Now has John Danks ever shown the type of upside that Ubaldo Jimenez showed in 2010? Nope.
How do we get to that asking price? Who knows.
How about…Gonzalez ain’t coming to the Bronx with that kind of price tag.
He’s nothing special.
Blend them together.
Beane wants Montero + Banuelos + Mason Williams + Nunez and Yankees balk.
Of course Beane wants Montero and Banuelis. Who doesn’t?
I want Selita Ebanks but that ain’t happening either.
If the rumored Texas 4 / 60 offer to Wilson is true, that’s the money Buerhle is supposedly asking for ….
I think Betances’ name was thrown in there carelessly.
Asking for Montero + Banuelos is a repeat of KW’s demands. But I bet Oakland wants Mason Williams plus more on top of it.
Just an absurd asking price.
Unreal. Ortiz set to accept arbitration.
Pat M. – so, does Texas say $%^& to CJ, and go after Buerhle?
“Unreal. Ortiz set to accept arbitration.”
For real? Shouldn’t be surprised I guess. Sox always get players for below market value to re-sign with them.
Think there’s going to be a 99% issue with this Marlins team?
Beane’s latest demand combined with the Jimenez/Danks tweet shows two things:
1. Betances value as a centerpiece is overstated here. He is a secondary piece for any coveted pitcher.
2. Yanks are going to have a difficult time getting anything done if they are not going to part with Gardner or Montero. Their hesitancy to part with Nunez, a utility player, is going to cost them too.
3. A package with Romine/Phelps/Warren/Laird etc. won’t get anything worth it.
4. Teams want the real gems – Banuelos, Montero, Sanchez, Williams. The guys who Cashman least wants to part with are the guys teams want and the guys who he might be OK with parting with are of no value to these teams as anything more than additional pieces rather than the main pieces.
BryanHoch
Cashman on Montero: “He’s not going to supplant Russell Martin, but the DH spot is sitting right there”
Melk Man
That’s what some of the Sox beat writers are saying but looking now others are tweeting Ortiz hasn’t decided for sure yet.
Cashman on Montero: “He’s not going to supplant Russell Martin, but the DH spot is sitting right there”
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UGH Get off Martin’s jock please. Atleast they recognize they should be playing him.
4. Teams want the real gems – Banuelos, Montero, Sanchez, Williams. The guys who Cashman least wants to part with are the guys teams want and the guys who he might be OK with parting with are of no value to these teams as anything more than additional pieces rather than the main pieces.
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And the other teams can dream on. Salary dumps don’t get that much in return.
The good news is that Ortiz will clean up in arbitration….he’ll make more in 2012 than he would have by signing a contract.
If that’s related to what Cashman said on the radio today it sounded like he meant he wouldn’t supplant Martin in 2012. He also said that Montero had a 70 arm and could really throw and that they think he can stay behind the plate long term.
Yank 97 December 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
BryanHoch
Cashman on Montero: “He’s not going to supplant Russell Martin, but the DH spot is sitting right there”
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Sounds like Cashman/Yankees front office love Russell Martin and have pigeonholed Montero for DH.
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Can confirm #Marlins execs met with Commish Office’s Dan Halem about Pujols. #Marlins #Cardinals
1 minute ago
They aren’t trading Montero
He didn’t say “the DH spot with the Yankees is sitting right there.”
Tank December 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
4. Teams want the real gems – Banuelos, Montero, Sanchez, Williams
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And they want more than one of them in the same deal. Absurd.
Sounds like Cashman/Yankees front office love Russell Martin and have pigeonholed Montero for DH.
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What an insightful reading of that enigmatic quote.
blake
True. Hopefully Papi gets at least $15 million in arb and it takes the Sox out of the market for a good SP like Kuroda.
Doc Joe…..If 15 million is the starting price I’m certain that The Angels will offer more years and a few more dollars….I think The Yanks will reconsider if the 15 million is real ….
Jerkface, you mad?
I’d guess Ortiz gets 15 or 16 million in arbitration…..he made 12+ last year and was coming off a really good season. The Sox would probably have a lot of interest in Kuroda if he’ll pitch there…..he’s kinda what they need and Valentine is fluent in Japanese.
How could the Angels offer Wilson more than Weaver settled for? I mean I guess they could but not sure how they could justify it.
Jerkface, you mad?
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No, its just funny that you basically paraphrased the quote like it was an insight. You mad I ribbed you?
here’s my question: if the marlins do sign reyes and pujols and end up doing another firesale, who’s going to take on these kinds of contracts?
it’s not like there are 5 teams out there willing to pay 18 mill for a shortstop. or say, 25 for an aging 1b.
is the commissioner asking for revenue stream guarantees? hard to imagine the marlins dumping players like reyes and pujols in 3 years.
Ortiz accepting arb may not actually be the worst thing. The Sox have a lot of holes to fill and are close to the lux tax limits. Ortiz at $15-16 million will (hopefully) limit them.
Also, can they risk offering him arb again next year with his salary getting that high? No draft pick compensation if bolts then…
blake…..Jared accepted the Halos first offer because he wanted to stay with them and didn’t want to go through the hassle that he went through coming out of Long Beach State…..Scott Boras wasn’t very pleased with the quick acceptance on Weaver’s part……Egos come in sizes
The Sox payroll will be interesting to watch…..they only have around 100 committed right now but they also have a lot of things they need to add before March…..lot of holes to fill and a lot of arbitration raises……I could see them being close to the Yanks before it’s over.
Pat M,
Yea I know….still don’t know how they could pay Wilson more…..though the Phillies paid Lee more than Halladay after he took what was a discount extension.
The Sox payroll will be interesting to watch…..they only have around 100 committed right now but they also have a lot of things they need to add before March…..lot of holes to fill and a lot of arbitration raises……I could see them being close to the Yanks before it’s over.
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Maybe it was P.Abe that tweeted that they had like 50 mil off the books but 30 mil coming back in various raises. Ortiz for 16+ would put a nice dent in the remainder.
Excuse me….the Sox are already at 131 million….Ortiz would probably take them to 146 and that’s before 2 starting pitchers, a RFer, bullpen help, and the other arbitration cases are settled.
Pat M. – while CJ is not in CC’s class, not by a mile, he is somewhat accomplished. I put him in the same category as Danks and Garza.
Something about the way that Cash has spoken about CJ and his agent has struck me as somewhat odd. Almost as if Cash has gone out of his way to say that he’s not that interested in him. That’s not Cash’s usual MO, talking down a player. It makes me wonder if Cash is deliberately trying to affect Wilson’s asking price, to get him closer to what Cash sees as his value.
Again, not so much the dollar value as the years, I think. But, on my end, this is all guess work.
The Yankees have not had a rookie starting catcher in 41 years (Munson). Berra and Howard never got the starting spot. Before Munson, Bill Dickey got the starting spot. Twice in 83 years.
Ellsbury is gonna get a nice raise, Bard, Salty, Lowrie all are in arbitration. Between Ortiz and the other arbitration cases they’ll probably be close to 160 million before they even address their other needs.
the sox payroll is a curious one. we all know that they have to money to increase to yankee levels, but pete’s analysis gives them 20 million to spend.
arbitration for papi is a bad idea for the sox. it gives them too much uncertainty, and they will have to be resigned to going over budget. arbitration is late in the process and a lot of players will have signed by then. also, they need arms, at least one starter. they don’t have a nova in their system.
they’re going to have to increase. ss, rf, one or two starters, a few bullpen arms. not for 4 million if papi gets 16
This is the post from Pete Abe Face is talking about
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....money.html
Nick in SF December 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
He didn’t say “the DH spot with the Yankees is sitting right there.”
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If they are publically talking about turning Montero into a DH, then they aren’t looking to move him. I take it as a positive sign. Meanwhile, if Montero wants to be a catcher, then he has to stake a claim to the position.
It’s going to be tough for the Sox to stay under the luxury tax unless they really go cheap on filling their holes…..if they add a significant piece like a Beltran or a Kuroda or a Madson then it’ll be tough to stay under I think.
Adrian Gonzalez gets a $14.7 million raise???? What is his yearly salary?
Jon_Heyman Jon Heyman
decent chance ortiz accepts arbitration. Wants to stay. Could get $14-16M via arb
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Whenever the BoSox come up it still is just mind blowing to think where they are now as opposed to where they were just 10 months ago….Has there ever been such a free fall from prominence by a team in any sport like this before….
Cashman has been nasty about CJ because of this quote from CJ’s agent (when he claimed a meeting had been set up with the Yankees): “I think Brian is in a situation where he doesn’t want what happened to Cliff Lee to happen again.”
I can’t imagine anything that would tick Cashman off more than to hear that.
Gonzalez gets 21.857 million per year….
lounge lizard December 6th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Cashman has been nasty about CJ because of this quote from CJ’s agent (when he claimed a meeting had been set up with the Yankees): “I think Brian is in a situation where he doesn’t want what happened to Cliff Lee to happen again.”
I can’t imagine anything that would tick Cashman off more than to hear that.
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Yikes! If Wilson’s agent really said that, then he is very dumb.
Holy crap! That is some raise–more than tripling his salary in 2011. I thought that $14.7 number was worng… wow.
Gonzalez gets a huge raise because he was traded and signed an extension, not a new deal from FA>
Well Gonzalez’s contract extension just starts in 2012….they just had to pay him what was left of what the Padre’s owed him last year.
I see. I had assumed that they gave him a bump up for his 2011 salary.
Cashman has been nasty about CJ because of this quote from CJ’s agent (when he claimed a meeting had been set up with the Yankees): “I think Brian is in a situation where he doesn’t want what happened to Cliff Lee to happen again.”
I can’t imagine anything that would tick Cashman off more than to hear that.
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Yikes! If Wilson?s agent really said that, then he is very dumb.
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Yup, he said it.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....to_ne.html
A-Gon has to be asking himself ” what did I get myself in to ” …..If he hated the schedule last season, he’s going to hate it even more in 2012…..
If what lizard is saying is true, then that is one dumb agent.
Some agents try to get the Yanks involved, at least in fantasy, to drive up the price. First time I’ve heard of the opposite.
pat m,
you’re totally right. just my gut feeling, but i think they trade youk. i’m not sure he can play a full season at 3rd and he still has value
MYSTERY TEAM!!
@BNightengale
#STLCARDS Pujols now has three teams that are offering 10-year contracts in excess of $200 million: STL, MIAMI, AND unidentified team
Nats
A-Gon has to be asking himself ” what did I get myself in to ” …..If he hated the schedule last season, he’s going to hate it even more in 2012…..
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I think A-Gon loves being in Boston where he at least has a chance at the post season. It sure beats being with a losing team, the Padres, who stunk.
the scott boras mystery team!! cubs? mariners?
yeah, the Nats are reputed to have a lot of $$$ to spend, and seem to want to make a splash. Pujols, or maybe Fielder. Personally, I’m not sure that’s the best way for them to go, but, hey, it’s their $$$.
AGon may just love the $$$$ of being in Boston.
I know, I can be cynical.
@mikeaxisa
Hope someone has a leash on Randy. #mysteryteam
Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
GreenBeret7 December 6th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Didm’t take the old team player long to get this out in print.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/…..hange.html
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I guess Ramirez is no Michael Young.
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Let’s not forget that when it was rumored that A-Rod might come to the Yankees, someone asked Jeter what he thought about it and Jeter basically said “I’m fine with it, as long as I’m the shortstop”. And you can’t blame him. And I don’t blame Hanley for being a little miffed about the acquisition of Reyes either.
Marc Carig“It’s hard to look at ownership and say listen, is there any more to do? Don’t get me wrong. I’ll ask. But it’s just not as easy to get a yes anymore, and understandably so.” – Cashman
A-Gon would have been the 3rd member to the 3 headed 1st base monster free agent market this season……
It would make sense for the Nats to go after Pujols.
Ghostwriter December 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Holy crap! That is some raise–more than tripling his salary in 2011. I thought that $14.7 number was worng… wow.
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That raise must have really shook you up so bad that you couldn’t even spell wrong. Very Arthur Fonzirelli-like..
I would like to see the Yanks deal Nova,Banuelos and Betances go to Miami for Josh Johnson