Random Yankees sightings on Day Two
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2011 
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Late this morning, Jean Afterman walked quickly through the Hilton hotel lobby. Several minutes later, Billy Eppler came through. Several minutes after that, it was Brian Cashman’s turn. Not one of them stopped to talk — not that I saw, anyway — and Cashman came through with a cell phone to his ear.
Unless big things are happening behind closed doors, that’s the extent of the Yankees action today.
Random Yankees sighting of the day: Greg Golson is at the trade show helping to promote the bat company that he uses. His company makes all of its bats by hand, one-by-one. Golson said there are three guys who make the bats, including one who was making bats in front of everyone. There were flakes of wood flying everywhere.
For what it’s worth, Golson said he hasn’t stopped hitting since the end of the season. Said he took maybe a week and a half “off,” but kept getting the itch to swing a bat.
Non-Yankees news centers on the Blue Jays trade for Sergio Santos and the ongoing Albert Pujols situation, but things still seem fairly slow.
I’m not sure if I’m a bat company I want Greg Golson to be my spokesperson…kind of like having Adam Dunn promoting a video teaching defense.
Mike Ri December 6th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
I personally would not trade Gardner .. . he’s a young . speedy , cost effective . GOLD GLOVE caliber outfielder with a decent bat …
If he’s dealt.. .. it better be for a sure lock number 2 .
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He’s not all that young and his bat is not all that decent. Other than that…
Hi, this is CC Sabathia for Weight Watchers…
Irreverent Discourse December 6th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Hi, this is CC Sabathia for Weight Watchers…
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I’m Nick Johnson, and this is what I use to stay on the field…
Kenny Williams is trying to maintain some diginity, but he’s still doing a darn good impersonation of Mrs. O’Leary’s cow.
Chip-
One word for Nick Johnson-Bionics.
Patrick,
You mean you’d trade Brandon Laird for Justin Upton? Come on….huge Overpay
Chip – it’s pretty hard to swing a .350 OBP as “not decent”.
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J. Alfred Prufrock December 6th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Bret, Upton is more talented, but I wonder if he’ll ever put it all together.
If someone like Long could help him be more level and shorter to the ball, he might take off. He’s already one of the most natural CF’s in the game – nobody makes those running, over the shoulder bread basket catches like Upton can, and he’s got to be the most effortless guy out there.
The problem is, sometimes his “effort” (quite apart from a sheer athleticism that makes him look “effortless) takes a mini vacation; he actually seems uninterested at times. I don’t know what that’s about, but if you want to take a gamble strictly on talent, Upton would be classic high risk/high reward.
Signing BJ Upton to a long term deal doesn’t sound like a particularly smart idea.
The Giants are supposedly open to dealing Keppinger and Andres Torres – depending on cost (obviously) – I would like to pick up both those guys.
Keppinger would be a nice addition to the bench if they can’t bring back Chavez and Torres would certainly be an upgrade over Singleton as a fourth OF and could give the Yankees some more latitude in making a move.
If the Yanks want to make an investment that is non-taxable with a greater return and for far less dough….Sign the two Cuban outfielders…..Darvish is going to cost huge money and this is the last bite at the apple…..Darvish looks very impressive but he’s going to cost way more than Dice K ….Does anybody here thinks he’ll be as good as El Duque ????
Torres can’t be a Yankee starting OF though, he’s worse than Gardner by your own standards.
If you traded Gritner for Upton, you’d have to fill left AND right field at the end of 2012.
With Kemp off the market and no upper level OF in the system, pretty terrible scenario.
Darvish looks very impressive but he’s going to cost way more than Dice K
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Doubt it.
You mean you’d trade Brandon Laird for Justin Upton? Come on….huge Overpay
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D’oh I’m dumb
Pat M –
Does anybody here thinks he?ll be as good as El Duque ????
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We won’t know till he pitches ……. just going by Japanese video . .the potential is there
Jon_Heyman 3 mins Marlins braintrust calls ozzie up to their suite. Would not say how meeting with pujols agent went. #pokerfaced
f the Yanks want to make an investment that is non-taxable with a greater return and for far less dough….Sign the two Cuban outfielders
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I would – it’s the last year we can do something like this, and while we don’t have an immediate need, we do have a gap time waiting for the likes of Williams/Santana…
Patrick,
Id probably open up the farm for real as well there.
El Duque and Darvish are different types of pitchers, but I’ll say this of Darvish. He was once injured and couldnt reliably throw the ball with his regular mechanics. He had a stress fracture in his throwing hand and lower body pain. He changed his mechanics for 1 game and won it. It was the world series of Japan and it was the only game his team won. Dude is beast.
Irreverent Discourse December 6th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Chip – it’s pretty hard to swing a .350 OBP as “not decent”.
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Two issues:
1. He’s more streaky than good
2. If his only asset is his ability to run then he needs to be around .370 ala Kenny Lofton/Brett Butler
Again – I’m not saying he’s a bad player – just overvalued.
Irreverent Discourse December 6th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Torres can’t be a Yankee starting OF though, he’s worse than Gardner by your own standards.
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I said he’d be an upgrade over Singleton. And when I say he would offer up some latitude for other moves, it goes back to the thought that if you’re not 100% sold on Cespedes right out of the gate – you can still sign him and let Torres play for a month while Cespedes gets acclimated in extended spring.
Chip – Gardner is a better defender and better at stealing bags than both of those players…
Chip – Gotcha with Torres, just seemed like you were advocating that it would be OK to move a Swisher/Gardner if you had Torres in place. It’s been a long week it’s hard to keep all this crap straight :p
Irreverent Discourse December 6th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Chip – Gotcha with Torres, just seemed like you were advocating that it would be OK to move a Swisher/Gardner if you had Torres in place. It’s been a long week it’s hard to keep all this crap straight :p
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Nooooo…
Now if they picked up Angel Pagan that would be something else.
jonmorosi 3 mins I’m no body language expert, but #Marlins looked rather smiley as Albert Pujols talks approach critical point. by Buster_ESPN
Irreverent Discourse December 6th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Chip – Gardner is a better defender and better at stealing bags than both of those players…
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I think you’re going to see the same thing with Gardner that you saw with Melky – as he starts making money his value on and to the team will decrease.
blake December 6th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
jonmorosi 3 mins I’m no body language expert, but #Marlins looked rather smiley as Albert Pujols talks approach critical point. by Buster_ESPN
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A friend of mine who works for Fox said that they’re just waiting for confirmation from a second source before reporting officially that Pujols will be a Marlin.
That’s funny… considering Heyman was on MLBN and just said the Marlins braintrust had a “glum” look on their face
I think you’re going to see the same thing with Gardner that you saw with Melky – as he starts making money his value on and to the team will decrease.
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Gardner is far better than Melky ever was for us.
Joelsherman1 40 mins #Whitesox GM Williams, with bunch bad pacts, trades closer Santos , uses “rebuilding” word. Alderson, with many of same issues, won’t #Mets
Albert is an old 31….10 years, no DH……Yikes
The Marlins must be going close to Arod money if he indeed is going there……10/250 is my guess if its true.
Wonder if they are giving him a no trade…..if not they’ll be looking to move him in a couple of years if he signs there.
Patrick December 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
I think you’re going to see the same thing with Gardner that you saw with Melky – as he starts making money his value on and to the team will decrease.
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Gardner is far better than Melky ever was for us.
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whether you believe that or not it’s immaterial to the point. A one-trick pony entering his 30s is not something that you want to pay significant money for.
Chip – Naturally his value will decrease as they start paying him more… we are all in agreement that Gardner is nearly finished product. You are just on the other side of the fence in Gardner’s value to the club. How much longer is Jeter really going to lead off? Gardner is the perfect player to step into that role.
I’m OK with him on the team for anything up to around $10-12m/year until he’s 32. He’s not even a FA until he’s 31. It’s unlikely he will ever see a contract from the Yankees, just lots of arbitration $’s. He’ll never touch double digit money in arbitration, so what’s the risk of holding on to this guy?
“Pitching, pitching, pitching”. Forget the Cuban Connection.
ProspectInsider
Buzz in Dallas seems to be all about Marlins, Pujols. One NL exec just asked me via text “are you hearing what I am? Pujols, 10/250, Miami.”
You can considerl the 6% state income tax vs no income tax in FL a hometown discount for the Cards but that would be alot of money to leave on the table if the Cards don’t raise their offer.
blake December 6th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Wonder if they are giving him a no trade…..if not they’ll be looking to move him in a couple of years if he signs there.
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I don’t know if that’s true – a lot is going to depend on how they draw and the moves they’re making at least should generate interest from the fan base. Every team gets a bump from a new stadium (except the Yankees) once that wears off you have to have a reason for the fans to show up – fielding a team that has three tremendous talents (not to mention Stanton and LoMo) is a heck of a start.
By the way – if the Marlins do sign Pujols it means that the Mets get a 4th round pick for Reyes…giggle.
10/250 with that tax situation would be tough for anybody to turn down…..loyalty to st. Louis or not.
Pujols wants a NTC for the first 5 years, after that he gets 10/5 rights.
“By the way – if the Marlins do sign Pujols it means that the Mets get a 4th round pick for Reyes…giggle.”
What a debacle.
Reyes is not “a talent”. He’s a “train wreck”.
Irreverent Discourse December 6th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Chip – Naturally his value will decrease as they start paying him more… we are all in agreement that Gardner is nearly finished product. You are just on the other side of the fence in Gardner’s value to the club. How much longer is Jeter really going to lead off? Gardner is the perfect player to step into that role.
I’m OK with him on the team for anything up to around $10-12m/year until he’s 32. He’s not even a FA until he’s 31. It’s unlikely he will ever see a contract from the Yankees, just lots of arbitration $’s. He’ll never touch double digit money in arbitration, so what’s the risk of holding on to this guy?
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I don’t think Gardner is consistant enough to be a leadoff hitter for an extended period of time.
“Pujols wants a NTC for the first 5 years, after that he gets 10/5 rights.”
True. Hanley, Reyes, Stanton, Lomo , and Pujols would be kinda a good lineup
Chip – What’s your leadoff plan for 2013 and 2014? I have to imagine this is Jeter’s last year at the top of the order…
Donnybrook……Look at their system, they have pitching, pitching , pitching….What they don’t really have are Outfielders……I’ve also mentioned a month ago that they should get another starter as well as an outfielder to upgrade Gardner…..Now 2 high end , very high outfield prospects have fallen into their laps, don’t you think it’s where the money should too……
From Marlins beat writer from Miami Herald
clarkspencer: Hearing that #marlins are willing to give Pujols no trade in a break with team policy.
blake December 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
“By the way – if the Marlins do sign Pujols it means that the Mets get a 4th round pick for Reyes…giggle.”
What a debacle.
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Yup – if you’re not even going to make him an offer then why not trade him in July?
According to Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, a trade that would potentially send left-hander Matt Thornton to the Braves is “picking up steam.”
The White Sox unloaded closer Sergio Santos to Toronto on Tuesday and may now be looking at other moves as part of an offseason fire-sale. Thornton, 35, posted a 3.32 ERA and 1.36 WHIP in 59 2/3 innings this past year. He’s owed $12 million over the next two seasons.
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Don’t the Braves have 2 really good lefty relievers?
“Chip – What’s your leadoff plan for 2013 and 2014? I have to imagine this is Jeter’s last year at the top of the order…”
Mason Williams, Nunez, maybe a trade for a Gardner-type player to provide some speed and play some defense?
Maybe Russell Martin if he is still here?
Report: Nats have asked Yankees about Gardner
By Mike Axisa
Via MASN, the Nationals have asked the Yankees about the availability of Brett Gardner, but were rebuffed. Washington has been looking for a long-term center fielder/leadoff type, a role Gardner fills perfectly. The problem is they don?t have any decent pitching to offer the Yankees since Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann are presumably off limits. John Lannan and Ross Detwiler are nothing worth getting excited over, nor are they an upgrade over what the Yankees already have stashed in Triple-A.
Irreverent Discourse December 6th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Chip – What’s your leadoff plan for 2013 and 2014? I have to imagine this is Jeter’s last year at the top of the order…
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There’s nothing that says that the Yankees next leadoff hitter (or closer) is someone currently on the team.
Yank 97 – Why trade for a Gardner type player? They have Gardner.
Nunez should come lurk around here, no where else are his mediocre skills so valued. lol
Last time the winter meeting were in Dallas …..Arod signed a 10/252 contract……will history repeat itself?
Stop platooning Gardy against lefty pitchers and let him play everyday!!!
spidanyc December 6th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Report: Nats have asked Yankees about Gardner
By Mike Axisa
Via MASN, the Nationals have asked the Yankees about the availability of Brett Gardner, but were rebuffed. Washington has been looking for a long-term center fielder/leadoff type, a role Gardner fills perfectly. The problem is they don?t have any decent pitching to offer the Yankees since Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann are presumably off limits. John Lannan and Ross Detwiler are nothing worth getting excited over, nor are they an upgrade over what the Yankees already have stashed in Triple-A.
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Gardner and Betances for Zimmerman…I’m down with that.
The Pujols/ Marlins business is so “public” and stealth often wins out.
Chip – Sure, but you and I both know how to look up the ’13 and ’14 FA markets… there’s not much out there right now. If you want to move Gardner (the closest thing they have to a leadoff guy other than maybe granderson?) you gotta have an idea where you are going.
They trade Gardner yet?
blake December 6th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Last time the winter meeting were in Dallas …..Arod signed a 10/252 contract……will history repeat itself?
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No. I don’t think A-Rod’s going to sign with Texas this week
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“Pitching ,pitching, pitching” was in reference to MLB experienced. With 2014 in mind, My 2 last\highest $$$ deals would be Darvish, and locking up Cano long term like they did with Jeet long ago.
Problem is that 25 year old Arod was better than 31 year old Pujols.
TrippingOlney
KEN WILLIAMS JUST SMILED AT ME. WHITE SOX OBVIOUSLY MAKING A LATE PLAY FOR PUJOLS.
Irreverent Discourse December 6th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Chip – Sure, but you and I both know how to look up the ’13 and ’14 FA markets… there’s not much out there right now. If you want to move Gardner (the closest thing they have to a leadoff guy other than maybe granderson?) you gotta have an idea where you are going.
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but those lists don’t talk about what players will be available via trade.
Heck – for all we know by 2013 one of the Almonte’s could be up here leading off.
” Jon_Heyman 3 mins Marlins braintrust calls ozzie up to their suite.”
I like how the Marlins’ “braintrust” and Ozzie are considered seperate entities.
Who aren’t the Marlins in on??
BobKlap Can confirm #Marlins are in on C.J. Wilson, at least for now.
Stan Kasten on MLBN saying that the Florida s. Missouri tax thing is overstated – the tax only applies for games played in the respective state. They can deduct the tax through charities and the like. In reality, he would only be forfeiting less than 500K a year between MO and FL.
JimBowdenESPNxm
Joe Maddon just told us @mlbnetworkradio that Yonder Alonso’s name has come up in mtgs & they realize they may have to trade one of their SP
Mike Scioscia liked my idea of trading Trumbo for WDavis..signing Fielder and non-tendering Morales if necessary for payroll room..luv iDEAS
Marlins oughtta take a page outta Cashman’s book and get around the No Trade issue, and give Pujols an Opt Out in the 1st 5 yrs,
Marlins interested in trading for Dwight Howard and CP3.
Scioscia: “We needed more offense from the catching position.” #angels
heh
Weird how Pujols’ 2 strongest suitors which are willing to go 9-10 years with Pujols are both NL teams.
What did I miss? Where did the Marlins get all this money?????
Kasten also raised a good point about Pujols presence potentially getting them a bigger naming rights deal for the new stadium.
The Marlins have been hoarding Yankee dollars for years now.
AndrewMarchand A.J. in “great state of mind” es.pn/tI3O4j
“Where did the Marlins get all this money?????”
They’ve been saving up their revenue sharing money in their mattress since 2003.
AJ’s version of BSOML
@AndrewMarchand Andrew Marchand
A.J. in “great state of mind” es.pn/tI3O4j
Scioscia: “We needed more offense from the catching position.” #angels
heh
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Maybe you should have hung on to Napoli DUMBASS. Or played him more when you had him!
Lol Scosica
Ugh!! Stupid link
Let’s try this one:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....te-of-mind
“What did I miss? Where did the Marlins get all this money?????”
Baseball Mastercard.
pat,
I was picturing a treasure chest. :grrr:
BTW, the last picture of Hanley that Chad posted had him in an M hat with a rainbow. Is that the new logo? If so, I wouldn’t be so quick to insist on a NTC if I were Pujols. That thing is awful. Hanley should demand a trade if that’s the new cap.
Ugh!! Stupid link
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I sabotaged your link and then posted the tweet with a link that…didn’t work either
“What did I miss? Where did the Marlins get all this money?????”
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Ahh they basically got a brand new stadium for free which will translate into a massive increase in attendance. They have also been getting millions in revenue sharing every year from teams like the Yankees
I’m sure Bud is looking at the possible Marlin Pujols signing and figuring: here’s another team I’m gonna have to help make payroll come 2012.
LGY-
I’m sure Bud is looking at the possible Marlin Pujols signing and figuring: here’s another team I’m gonna have to help make payroll come 2012.
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I don’t think that’s the case at all. They have plenty of money to spend
bigmike05
New market inefficiency: get the public to pay for a new stadium, spend a billion dollars.
You add up the 2 signings + Maybe Pujols =???? They get off to a bad start, attendance = Ghost Town = River City.
You can only have one: Danks or Garza?
You can only have one: Darvish or Cespedes?
LGY December 6th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
AJ’s version of BSOML
@AndrewMarchand Andrew Marchand
A.J. in “great state of mind” es.pn/tI3O4j
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Same old song & dance. Can’t imagine Larry Rothschild on his way to the barn in Maryland to fine tune Burnett. That’s been tried.
New market inefficiency: get the public to pay for a new stadium, spend a billion dollars.
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Haha so true
I think the Marlins have financed their team in unsavory ways but I admire the intelligence. Loria, Beinfest, etc are smart, they kept the payroll super low while building a base of good young players then when the new stadium is ready to provide an influx of money they open the checkbooks and sign a ton of good players.
You can only have one: Danks or Garza?
You can only have one: Darvish or Cespedes?
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Darvish, Danks
Well, in any case, it’s unreal. The Marlins seem to be allowed to do business in any way they choose.
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The hat is a Double M (Miami Marlins) and there is a “marlin” over the top M. It does kind of look like a rainbow.
You can only have one: Danks or Garza?
You can only have one: Darvish or Cespedes?
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Darvish by a mile
Garza vs Danks is really tough, that’s a toss up for me. I guess if you force me to pick I’d go with Danks because he’s a lefty and younger than Garza.
Pete’s trade proposal:
Could Lowrie, Anderson Josh Reddick and perhaps a prospect return Bailey?
Papelbon’s departure is the gift that keeps on giving.
Joelsherman1 Mo Rivera’s agt Fern Cuza said results expected Fri from throat surgery, but all indications are everything is fine with #Yankees closer
Napoli will come falling to earth just like an aging satellite real soon…..Do The Rangers sign him moving forward and he becomes a DH / Backup catcher ??? An expensive DH / Backup catcher that is…..Angels will in the end come out ahead with Ianetta catching 4 Ace type pitchers after they ink Wilson……Moreno’s front office must think they have to make a run at The WS this season and next before Hunter, Abreu and Wells are still on the payroll…….In some respects that is the Yankee Mantra
The Marlins will be bankrupt by 2015. Count on it.
Joelsherman1 #Yankees are among teams plannign to send scout to watch fr agt Joel Zumaya throw/audition next week. #Tigers
MLB Hotstove station just a blank here in So. Cal…..
Listening to Homer Gammons on MLB Network do what he does best. Repeat info that has been out there for several hours, and act like he’s got a scoop. The man’s Baseball’s Al Gore.
If the prospect package is the same I’ll take Garza b/c you get him for two years instead of one (which means the prospect package won’t be the same
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Fangraphs staff was accepted into the BBWAA
Chris Iannetta Career:
Coors Field: .262/.377/.492
Not Coors Field: .208/.338/.369
I like Garza better than Danks.
I think I would go for the Cuban OF over the Japanese pitcher.
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You really have to wonder about the fan base there. Will a new domed stadium, a new name that reflects where they play, and a couple of marquee players guarantee that the people will show up consistently?
I would suspect that if they sign Pujols, they will get a bump in attendance. But will the bump stay? Or will it be a passing fancy?
If they win the WS next season, will people say they bought it?
If they win the WS next season, will they dismantle the players w/o NTC (everyone but Albert)?
Is the low attendance anything to do with winning, or the players, or baseball? Or is it more to do with they don’t have the fanbase to begin with?
I’m rambling, but the Marlins do not have the best history.
I would wager the Yankees end up signing the younger Cuban OF, Soler, instead of Centipedes.
Hanley Ramirez issa ticking time bomb for the Marlins.
LGY……..Didn’t you carry the banner flag about Holliday and the Coors field nonsense a few winter’s ago ???? Talk to me a few season’s from now about the Ianetta Napoli, Angels / Rangers…..
Villa – I don’t know why they think this new stadium will bump attendance, maybe for the first year it’s open but after that… baseball games is just not something people in Miami are interested. Can’t imagine why :p
p.s. I love all the random names people come up with instead of my actual username lol
Holliday only hit well in one stadium outside of Coor’s field. st louis. Then he signed there. not rocket science.
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Oh, my! I thought I typed “Discourse” !!! So sorry!
LOL
(I do admit that my fingers sometimes get ahead of my brain.)
” p.s. I love all the random names people come up with instead of my actual username lol”
You should post the funniest ones on your blog.
Ianetta is Napoli lite. .225 .349 .423 .773 last 3 seasons, an all or nothing hitter at catcher. Pat M doing anything he can to fight against Napoli. Sides with a worse version of Napoli.
jonmorosi
Source: #Angels interested in trading for Brandon League.
Jon_Heyman
Pujols has home, restaurants, charity in st. louis. Hard to see him leaving for extra $20M. 1 agent guesses $250M gives miami hope.
Joelsherman1
#Yankees are among teams plannign to send scout to watch fr agt Joel Zumaya throw/audition next week.
Joelsherman1 profile
Angels want Wilson, but were still finding price high, wondering if it’s better to get multiple pieces for $15-$20M have to spend than CJ
“Holliday only hit well in one stadium outside of Coor’s field. st louis. Then he signed there. not rocket science.”
Huh?
LGY……..Didn’t you carry the banner flag about Holliday and the Coors field nonsense a few winter’s ago ???? Talk to me a few season’s from now about the Ianetta Napoli, Angels / Rangers…..
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I did not. I didn’t think the Yankees should sign Holliday because they had invested so much money in long term contracts the prior two winters.
And Holliday always put up big numbers on the road. He just didn’t produce monster numbers like he did at Coors. Holliday is a really good player. Ianetta just isn’t particularly talented.
nick – i already do… you haven’t been reading! this makes me a sad panda.
rofl
What have the Angels done to earn the benefit of the doubt? Win a WS 10 years ago?
Might have to pass on zumaya. He’s been hurt every year since 2006. Even though he throws 200mph.. the injury risk might not be worth it.
Idiosyncratic Discoer: my bad, I’ll try to keep up.
A bullpen with Rivera-Soriano-Robertson-Chamberlain-Hughes-Zumaya-Noesi would be nasty
mikeaxisa Mike Axisa
RT @DavidWaldstein Hear Kuroda now definitely willing to pitch for East Coast tm. Yanks have advantage in Russell Martin, his former catcher
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Get Darvish and Kuroda. I won’t rest until the Yankees have turned into the Ham Fighters themselves
Hughes and Joba already honorary ham fighters.
Captain Crunch Fighters?
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!!
Yanks, Royals and Oakland in discussing Gio to the Bronx
http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=41821
IF we get Gio, do you think we still post for Yu?
Kuroda is basically a Japanese version of Hiroki Kuroda. Wouldn’t be a #2 in the AL East, doesn’t improve our situation much.
Yeah, he’ll probably be much better than Hughes or Burnett, but he’s not the answer to a guy behind CC. We have enough middle-rotation solid guys.
woops… i meant to type “in discussion which can move Gio to the Bronx”
If it’s Oakland and KC, then Gardner is gone. The question is which lucky team ends up with him? Maybe Oakland since the Royals already have a GG LF.
I hope Albert goes to Miami so they can set a record for the most star players in one state without a championship.
PS – I love Wade. He’s the only one.
A’s get gardner and KC gets Phelps
Drop everything, if Kuroda is willing to play on the East go get him.
Probably a 1 year deal, a target for a long time, Russ Martin, etc….
If gardy goes bye bye do the yankees go after Yoenis?
That proposed trade doesn’t seem like a sweet enough deal for the A’s.
Keep Gardner and Hughes. Trade everyone else
Gardner+Phelps+PTBNL for Gio would prolly be in the Yankees favor. That seems way too cheap.
You really shouldn’t trade Gardner before having a replacement.
If they do trade Gardner, they better be getting something really good back.
m December 6th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
If it?s Oakland and KC, then Gardner is gone.
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And Gardner will turn into the bunting/running demon we all know he has within him.
Gardner isn’t going anywhere in any trades without another outfielder already signed. You can’t trade him away and then “hope you find a replacement”.
Sign Roy Oswalt
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....lable.html
MLBTR app now available.
New York Baseball Digest is incarcerated bob of the Yankee blog sphere.
Meh. If they trade Gardner, they can just say [insert AAA OF] is our starting LF. And then sign Jones to platoon him.
I don’t think Gardner goes in this trade or in any other this OF season. They’ll want to see if he can have a breakout year in ’12.
But they will need to address RF soon.
LOL….Incarcerated Bob. What’s he been up to, anyway??
Erin – Unless someone slipped him a get out of jail free card…
@Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Loria pushing #Marlins’ interest in Wilson, not ruling out signing Wilson AND Pujols.
Shame- yeah, kind of a stupid question, huh?
How’s the new job going?
The only way we should get a garza,danks,etc…,is if they replace a hughes,burnett,or garcia,and there is no guarantee that it makes us better.
Also,unless we can get them without using any of banuelos,betances,montero,or any other top prospects,it is not worth it.
So unless a montero,betances + another player gets us a hamels,cain,etc…,i’d don’t make a pitching move,unless it is for a great lh reliever.
Haha. There’s absolutely no mention/tweets of trade rumors all day from ANY writers there, yet this so-called NY Baseball Digest webpage has the scoop of a major 3-way deal. I think it’s time for those boys to head up upstairs from their mom’s basement … it’s almost time for dinner.
<i.If they trade Gardner, they can just say [insert AAA OF] is our starting LF. And then sign Jones to platoon him.
This is a great plan if you don’t think any balls will be hit to left field this year… at all.
Lol Erin. Its going well.. I sort through resumes all day and decide who we aren’t interested in hiring. Judging people is a hobby of mine so its the perfect fit. Hope all is well in Chi-Town.
I really dislike that trade – not because of who the Yankees would be giving up, but I just don’t trust Gio at all.
I think you’re putting a lot of faith in a guy who has thrived in a pitcher’s park in zero pressure surroundings and hoping that he can duplicate and exceed that success in a hitter’s atmosphere under unbelievable expectations.
That’s why I prefer a Cespedes or Darvish:
They are used to high expectations
@ESPNJoeyMac
Source: Sox offered Ortiz 2-yr deal worth $18 mill. He’s seeking 2 yrs $25 mill. Ortiz hasn’t decided on arbitration yet. Made $12.5 in 2011
That trade isn’t close to enough on Oakland side…….
The proposed trade has teh Yankees giving up Gardy, Phelps and a third player (not on the 40 man roster). That third player could be someone like Mason Williams or Gary Sanchez.
Shame-glad to hear it’s going well!
Chi-Town is just fine….cold, but fine.
Beane isn’t giving up Gio for Gardner and Phelps unless he’s been possessed by aliens.
Get Gio cash – get that second pitcher to slot behind C.C.
GioVERRATED.
BobKlap #Yankees have spoken to the #A’s about Gio Gonzalez, but am told it could only happen in “overpay” situation.
Wow. I was right on the lowball offer by the Sox. Ortiz did have a great year, but he had a horrible first half in 2010 (coincidentally around the times around his rumored positive steroid test). I doubt any other team gives him more than 1 year.
Why would Beane want Gardner if they are rebuilding
If Ortiz was a Yankee last year he’d probably demand 4/60….
And the Yanks would give it to him.
they trade Gardner yet
I get the sense that all the Mason Williams love being put forth from the Yankees is maybe shining him up a little as potential trade bait – much like with Hector Noesi…
“oh you want Betances and Gary Sanchez…well geeze I won’t do that but…oooh this is gonna hurt…how about Hector Noesi and Mason Williams instead?”
“they trade Gardner yet”
hopefully soon
we need a real #2
Hanley Ramirez……would be a great add
Gio is good, not great. That ballpark helps him a lot
Erin December 6th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
BobKlap #Yankees have spoken to the #A’s about Gio Gonzalez, but am told it could only happen in “overpay” situation.
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Yes, yes – give them everything they want and MORE. . . .
Mason Williams has a big ceiling, I wouldn’t want to trade him so soon
blake December 6th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Why would Beane want Gardner if they are rebuilding
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Not only that but Brett Gardner is a defensive guy who steals bases – not exactly qualities Beane is known for coveting.
yanks 27 December 6th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
“they trade Gardner yet”
hopefully soon
we need a real #2
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would really like to see that happen
Chip December 6th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
blake December 6th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Why would Beane want Gardner if they are rebuilding
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Not only that but Brett Gardner is a defensive guy who steals bases – not exactly qualities Beane is known for coveting.
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But he did make an exception for Coco – and Raja Davis to a lesser extent. . . . .
“Gio is good, not great. That ballpark helps him a lot”
Era+ has been better than any trade target mentioned over the last two years……you don’t give up too much for him because he does have some warts…..but he’s young, cheap, has a great hook, and has upside.
Patrick December 6th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Mason Williams has a big ceiling, I wouldn’t want to trade him so soon
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My theory is that it’s better to trade the high ceiling guy who is 4 years away than to deal the guy who is closer to the majors but may not have all the upside – just the general attrition rate of minor leaguers.
A guy who is brilliant in A ball might never make AAA much less the majors.
Joelsherman1 #Yankees believe Kuroda would come East, but still see it as tough fit financially since not clear top-of-rotation answer
Joelsherman1 #Yankees believe Kuroda would come East, but still see it as tough fit financially since not clear top-of-rotation answer
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Finally the Yankees are making some sense. Gio is a #2, Kuroda is far from that.
Chip – Yeah I agree
Cash has fallen over himself everytime he mentions Noesi in public. Even Gammons was on MLBN yesterday and said Cash told him in September that Noesi is next year’s Nova and could be even better than him. Everytime he has gotten an opportunity, he has genuflected about Noesi
All fine and well… except he probably doesn’t even have a realistic shot to make the rotation out of ST… ahead of the likes of Hughes and Burnett who Cash said he sees rounding out his rotation (also Girardi mentioned how Garcia doesn’t have to compete for his spot this year). So this super pitcher that he has is regulated to an insurance policy.
If it isn’t a negotiating ploy, I have no idea what it is.
Stoneburner December 6th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Chip December 6th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
blake December 6th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Why would Beane want Gardner if they are rebuilding
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Not only that but Brett Gardner is a defensive guy who steals bases – not exactly qualities Beane is known for coveting.
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But he did make an exception for Coco – and Raja Davis to a lesser extent. . . . .
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Neither guy cost him anything in terms of real dollars or players to bring in. Certainly he’s not trading a 25 year old LHSP for those qualities unless he has serious qualms about the future of that pitcher.
Joelsherman1 #Yankees believe Kuroda would come East, but still see it as tough fit financially since not clear top-of-rotation answer
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Good thing the Yankees don’t have a budget and the Soriano wouldn’t affect their spending going forward!!
Not only that but Brett Gardner is a defensive guy who steals bases – not exactly qualities Beane is known for coveting.
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He covets winning, albeit under the constraints of a bad owner, but he changed his approach to defense and speed once those things became undervalued and all the high OBP people were getting snapped up.
Era+ has been better than any trade target mentioned over the last two years……you don’t give up too much for him because he does have some warts…..but he’s young, cheap, has a great hook, and has upside.
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I would be happy getting Gio but I wouldn’t overpay for him, he’s not an ace.
They can’t even afford Kuroda?
Great to hear.
If Beane trades Gio then he’s trading 4 years of one of his best starters……he’s nit trading that for 4 years of 28 year old Gardner…….he’s going to want more control and more upside than that.
Again – with Gio or Kuroda – who are you exiling from the rotation to make this guy fit?
Hughes? You’re going to dump a 25 year old that you touted as a future ace for a 25 year old who might not be any better than him or a 37 year old?
You can’t do anything with Burnett. There’s been talk of eating his contract and then dealing him, but let’s say the get is Kuroda – you’re talking about eating nearly $32 mil and then spending another $12 mil on Kuroda – that’s $44 mil for one spot in the rotation!
Unless you’re making this pick up and then think you’re going to get some huge package back for Hughes – it makes no sense.
The only guys I would bump Hughes for are Darvish or Danks – get one of those guys and I would turn around and deal Hughes for a prospect OF or something.
I would be happy getting Gio but I wouldn’t overpay for him, he’s not an ace.”
Nah he’s not……but he’s 25 and if he improved his command than his upside could be frontline……I wouldn’t trade too much fir him but how terrible he is is greatly overstated.
You could always dump Hughes into the bullpen or cut Freddy Garcia.
Oh Gio – come to the Yankees. Larry R as your pitching coach helping with your command – and you can improve your fastball/slider combo by learning from the best – C.C.
Why would you bump Hughes for Danks but not Gio or Kuroda, when those two are better pitchers than Danks???
Betances/Gardner/Romine/Nunez should be able to get Gonzalez
I say resign Colon and be done with the pitching market until the ASB. (I know, I know, none of you care what I say..)
Hughes? You’re going to dump a 25 year old that you touted as a future ace for a 25 year old who might not be any better than him or a 37 year old?
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I am as weary of Gio coming to the AL East as anyone on here, just read my past posts about it, but come on. Gio vs Hughes??? Hughes, whom I love, has not done anything. He was very good in the bullpen, and had 1 good year starting. Gio put together 2 years better than Hughes 1 back to back. I think the Yankees would replace Hughes with Gio 10 out of 10 times. I don’t think they will because of cost, and likely the same weariness I have of him coming over to the AL east which goes against the high cost of acquiring him.
Patrick December 6th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
You could always dump Hughes into the bullpen or cut Freddy Garcia.
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Those are two fantastic plans – the ink isn’t dry on the contract but let’s cut him and just eat the $5 mil we gave to Freddy or let’s turn Phil Hughes into Aaron Heilman.
Amazing use of resources.
Not sure i trade romine & nunez for gio.
Nah he’s not……but he’s 25 and if he improved his command than his upside could be frontline……I wouldn’t trade too much fir him but how terrible he is is greatly overstated.
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Well the perception of him as being “bad” has persisted because most prospect gurus pegged him as a back of the rotation guy and he had bad results in the majors in 2008 and 2009. I think that perception has mostly disappeared because he’s had good 2010 and 2011 years (despite having a significant home/away split). And he’s shown an improvement in bb/9 and k/9
I’d take him but I’d prefer Darvish
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4time December 6th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Betances/Gardner/Romine/Nunez should be able to get Gonzalez
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I wish and hope you are right.
Moving around the rotation options:
- Simply dump AJ. God they should do this anyways! Salary dump him somewhere.
- Push Hughes to the pen/long man.
- Push Garcia to long man
- Trade one of Hughes/Nova
Danks, Gio, and Kuroda are all better pitchers than Hughes (and Burnett).
Yanks should offer Buehrle 3 yr, $45M with no-trade clause. Add that arm.
Cash should consider trading Soriano. There’s enough depth to replace a 7th inning guy.
Want a real upgrade of RF – target Justin Upton.
And he’s shown an improvement in bb/9
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Its easy to improve from such astronomically high starting points
Those are two fantastic plans – the ink isn’t dry on the contract but let’s cut him and just eat the $5 mil we gave to Freddy or let’s turn Phil Hughes into Aaron Heilman.
Amazing use of resources.
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So you think the Yankees should be satisfied with a rotation that includes 1 ace and 4 back of the rotation starters? If they can upgrade and get a true #2 they will do it and not look back. The presence of Hughes, Burnett, Garcia and even Nova will not stop the Yankees from getting another pitcher for the rotation.
Can we at least all agree that they should eat salary and dump AJ if there is any opportunity to do so?
LGY December 6th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Why would you bump Hughes for Danks but not Gio or Kuroda, when those two are better pitchers than Danks???
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Because I trust Danks.
I do not trust a guy who has never in his career pitched a meaningful game and who goes from being a great pitcher at home in one of the most pitcher friendly parks in the league to an average or slightly worse than average pitcher on the road.
Nor am I dumping a 25 year old for a 37 year old – that’s not how you help the long term future of your club. I’m also not convinced that Kuroda can pitch in the American League let alone the American League East – how many times do you need to be burned by an NL pitcher before you stop coveting them?
Allow the circumstances to dictate who gets cut/demoted/sent down/traded, etc.
Shoot first, ask questions later. Don’t back out of trade discussions for a good pitcher because of the presence of the immortal Phil Hughes, Freddy Garcia, Nova, or Burnett. None of those guys are better than Garza, Gio, Danks, Kuroda,
Patrick December 6th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Those are two fantastic plans – the ink isn’t dry on the contract but let’s cut him and just eat the $5 mil we gave to Freddy or let’s turn Phil Hughes into Aaron Heilman.
Amazing use of resources.
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So you think the Yankees should be satisfied with a rotation that includes 1 ace and 4 back of the rotation starters? If they can upgrade and get a true #2 they will do it and not look back. The presence of Hughes, Burnett, Garcia and even Nova will not stop the Yankees from getting another pitcher for the rotation.
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But there’s the point – the two guys being mentioned – Gio and Kuroda – don’t represent clear upgrades over Hughes and Hughes is the only guy who is getting moved out of the rotation.
They’re not going to move out Nova after the year he had last year – at least not at the start. They’re not cutting Garcia a week after giving him a 5 mil contract and they’re not eating $32 million of AJ Burnett’s contract even if they could find a team that had use for a 35 year old pitcher with zero consistancy.
The Yankees biggest resource is cash. Lots of it. It comes with no strings attached. Use it to acquire the FA arm that fits: Buehrle.
Save the remaining resources – expiring contracts and young talent – for other areas of need: RF
This might end all of the Gio Gonzalez to NY chatter once and for all. They want young, upside outfielders in the deal, and that doesn’t mean Gardner. There none in the Yankee system and few available anywhere else, even in 3 or 4 team deals.
“•The Athletics are looking for young, high-upside outfielders in any Gio Gonzalez trade, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The Yankees may have to consider a three-team deal if they want to acquire the lefty, since they don’t have any outfielders in the high minors that fit that bill”
But there’s the point – the two guys being mentioned – Gio and Kuroda – don’t represent clear upgrades over Hughes and Hughes is the only guy who is getting moved out of the rotation.
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Yes they do. And you didn’t answer my question. Do you think the Yankees are satisfied with a rotation comprised of one ace and four 4-5 starters?
Gio and Kuroda – don’t represent clear upgrades over Hughes
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Really?
ScottMCBSSports Aggressive Marlins pushing Pujols camp for a decision soon, sources say. They want answer. Might not come today though.
Patrick December 6th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
But there’s the point – the two guys being mentioned – Gio and Kuroda – don’t represent clear upgrades over Hughes and Hughes is the only guy who is getting moved out of the rotation.
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Yes they do. And you didn’t answer my question. Do you think the Yankees are satisfied with a rotation comprised of one ace and four 4-5 starters?
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No they don’t – for all the reasons I’ve listed.
And no, I don’t think Cashman is satisfied, but I think he’s hamstrung since the worst guy on his pitching staff makes too much money to move, release or relegate to the pen.
251 IP 4.66 ERA va 398 IP 3.23 ERA vs 400 IP 3.17 ERA
One of these things is not like the other.
LGY December 6th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Gio and Kuroda – don’t represent clear upgrades over Hughes
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Really?
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Really.
Can you tell me that Gio’s going to come in here and not be the 4.6 ERA pitcher that he’s been on the road for his career? Can you tell me he’s not going to wilt under the pressure of being in New York like Jeff Weaver?
Can you tell me that Kuroda is going to come here and not poop the bed like almost every other NL pitcher the Yankees have brought in over the last decade?
If you can’t tell me either of those things for certain then you can’t tell me that they represent clear upgrades over Phil Hughes who has shown that when he’s healthy he can pitch and win here.
251 IP 4.66 ERA va 398 IP 3.23 ERA vs 400 IP 3.17 ERA
One of these things is not like the other.
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Not clear upgrades sorry
I will block any Gardner trades. I’ve grown fond of the lad.
The whistle’s blowing – night all.
234 walks in 535.1 innings for gio.
No thanks.
He would be a very good pitcher if not for all those walks.
Even on the road last year,the league hit only .242 & he gave up less hits than innings pitched.
At no point during his Career has Hughes walked as many guys as GioVERRATED does. There is no clear upgrade there. I would still peg Hughes to have the better career going forward.
Chip
You are including Gio’s road stats from when he was a terrible pitcher in general his first two seasons which is a completely unfair way to look at it.
The last two seasons on the road: 191 IP, 3.77 ERA
And just writing off NL pitchers completely??? Come on now. Kuroda is a really good pitcher.
I would have liked Kuroda over Freddie. Kuroda doesn’t fit the bill of a clear #2 in the AL East. I’m not very in love with the idea of Kuroda.
The fact that we don’t have an OF that Oakland is looking for is not an impediment here. Would they like Heyward? (not sure if he’s on the block, just going on conversations we’ve had here) You could send Nunez and catching or whatever they need to Atlanta. You could send pitching to Oakland.
Patrick December 6th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
251 IP 4.66 ERA va 398 IP 3.23 ERA vs 400 IP 3.17 ERA
One of these things is not like the other.
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Not clear upgrades sorry
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Yeah, show the stat lines for Javy Vazquez, Denny Neagle, Jeff Weaver, Kevin Brown, etc before coming to the Yankees. They all looked freaken unbelievable. Tell me again how those deals worked out…Back when the deal was made Jeff Weaver looked like a clear upgrade over Ted Lilly and Kevin Brown looked like a clear upgrade over Jeff Weaver – both times those deals ended badly for the Yankees.
Gio walks a lot of guys? Not good in the AL East.
Danks gives up a lot of hits? Not good in the AL East.
Like Gio much more than Danks, pitcher friendly park and all.
I will sum up my feelings this way:
Saying Gio is a clear upgrade over Hughes is akin to saying Jeff Weaver was a clear upgrade over Lilly – the stats might back you up, but I ain’t buying.
Its interesting how 25 year old Yankees are still developing while 25 year olds on other teams are finished products……..
I don’t lust after anyone mentioned in this thread. If Cashman gets one or two, fine, if not, fine, too.
and LGY I’m not writing off NL pitchers entirely – I’m writing off OLD NL Pitchers who have never pitched in the AL…I’m especially writing off OLD NL pitchers who do most of their pitching in Dodger Stadium, Petco Park and Pac Bell.
If Tim Lincecum is ever on the trading block I will avoid him like the plague because, well, he’s an NL pitcher after all!
blake – GioVERRATED has never walked less than 4guys per 9 in his career, minors or majors. it’s not a matter of that he’s not developing, it’s that… this is the type of pitcher he is. it took him 3 seasons to get back down to his 4 BB/9. Think about that for a second.
Cardinals targeting Missouri native Buehrle. Kyle Lohse made available, according to MLBTR.com
He’s also a 200 k guy with a great curveball…….walk rates can improve and for lefties command is often the last thing to develop ……doesn’t mean it will…..this may really be who he is…..but we don’t know that yet
He’s also a 200 k guy with a great curveball…….walk rates can improve and for lefties command is often the last thing to develop ……doesn’t mean it will…..this may really be who he is…..but we don’t know that yet
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Well Hughes is going to continue getting better despite showing a clear trend of improvement but Gio is not going to get any better despite showing consistent improvement. They are the same age you say? Phsaw
@ Blake yea that seems a little weird. If you polled fans of other teams I doubt you would find many of them that would take Hughes over Gio.
meant to say “without showing a clear tred of improvement” for Hughes oops
Irreverent Discourse says:
December 6, 2011 at 4:26 pm
“<i.If they trade Gardner, they can just say [insert AAA OF] is our starting LF. And then sign Jones to platoon him.
This is a great plan if you don’t think any balls will be hit to left field this year… at all."
This is silly. You think Nunez should hang out here? Garry should join him.
LMAO: New Cubbie skipper Dale Sveum cursed on MLB network’s Intentional Talk. Was discussing all the teams and positions he played, and it just well, s—, slipped.
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Robin Ventura just told us @mlbnetworkradio that the White Sox plan is to “RETOOL” and they’re looking for young pitching in all their deals
The Yankees have young pitching to offer…
Sports Nippon says Red Sox high bidder for Nakajima… ok
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MT @RickyRo24 5x300yd shuttles under :60 after a heavy lower body workout. #Beastmode @Matt_Hobgood48 @PhilHughes65 Cesar Ramos & big Jays
Marlins ink former Yankee 1B Juan Miranda to a minor league deal.
Must be backup in case Pujols turns them down.
Gonzalez clearly has a better track record than Hughes. His uncertainty in performance is less than Hughes.
On the flip side – Gio will cost talent to acquire. And it will be expensive.
So the question is whether:
(Gio + talent + Gio’s uncertainty in performance)=(Hughes + uncertainty in Hughes performance)
And of all those variables, “talent” is the key and the one that is really going to drive whether or not that equation is true.
For all the Gio Gonzalez naysayers, didnt Al Leiter spend the better part of his 20′s struggling with control issues and then settled into the big game pitcher he became as he matured both physicially and mentally when he reached his 30′s?
I dont think that at 26 you can say anyone is a finished product and/or has little to no room for improvement. And as someone posted earlier, maybe someone like Larry Rothchild could be exactly what Gio needs to gain better command of the strike zone and become an even better pitcher than he is now.
Gio is only 26, left handed, throws hard, had a really good strikeout/innings ratio last season … at the very least, those are attributes to build on … no?
In my eyes it’s not an either/or with Gio and Hughes.
Didm’t take the old team player long to get this out in print.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....hange.html
Hughes is a 25-year old 18-game winner. He’s 36-23 4.46 ERA lifetime.
Gio Gonzalez is a 25-year old who’s won 15 and 16 games the last 2 years. He’s 38-32 3.93 ERA lifetime.
It’s not as clear cut as it seems. Hughes has the potential, and 2012 may be the year to return to the esteem expected of him. If I were Cashman, I keep him.
The success of the DET/ARZ/NYY trade might open up more possibilities.
Once GM’s bring down their ridiculous expectations, we should see some movement on the trade front. Maybe not involving the Yankees, but at least something will happen. Maybe after the big FA names come off the board.
So I read that the Mariners are the front runners for Fielder. Really?
Now if I can get Gio without giving up a top prospect, maybe I do it.
Patrick-
You’re an idiot. There are obvious exceptions to every rule. Just as I would trade for Felix despite him pitching in a huge park and under no pressure I would trade for Linc. You also have basic reading issues as I specified that I wouldn’t trade for an OLD nl pitcher.
But hey, if you want to buy high on Gio or spend 12 nil on a 37 year old Kuroda what do I care? You don’t get to make these decisions any more than I do. I will sleep well knowing Cash is smarter than that.