Yankees notes from Day Two: Looking back three years
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 06, 2011 
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Hey look, it’s Don Mattingly. The former Yankees first baseman and current Dodgers manager spoke this afternoon on Day Two of baseball’s Winter Meetings. Joe Girardi’s official media session is tomorrow, though at this point, it’s hard to expect him to say much.
“I talked to Cash a little bit,” Girardi said when he arrived this afternoon. “It doesn’t seem like there’s ever a whole lot that goes on here, but I think there’s a lot of groundwork a lot of times that’s kind of started here.”
That’s not always true. Two years ago, the Yankees made big moves at the Winter Meetings, signing Andy Pettitte and trading for Curtis Granderson. A year before that — though not necessarily at the Winter Meetings — the Yankees traded for Nick Swisher and signed CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira.
Obviously this is a different kind of winter.
“We had a lot of money coming off of our payroll in ’08,” Brian Cashman said. “So the decisions we made in the winter of ‘09, that was kind of like our 2010 and 2011 Winter Meetings combined. We’re still living off a lot of those decisions that we made that winter, and it’s benefited us. We’ve improved our club or tried to in various ways since then, but that obviously was a big, defining winter for us, no different than what Miami seems to be trying to do right now for them.”
• There have been no talks about a multi-year deal with Russell Martin, but Cashman said he’s not opposed to such a thing. “Russell, I don’t mind at all having here in the short or the long term,” he said. “I haven’t had any discussion with him whatsoever, and that doesn’t mean we’ll have that, but he lived up to everything I hoped he could.”
• Cashman said the trade market includes pitchers who would clearly upgrade the Yankees rotation — he’s been offered pitchers he likes — but those pieces aren’t worth the current cost. “I’m very comfortable turning down everything that’s been offered my way so far,” he said. “I think if I made it public, I think everyone in this room would say no to those things too.”
• As he’s said for a while now, Cashman again pointed to the Yankees already-high payroll to suggest he won’t be making any major moves. “It’s hard to add to that,” he said. “It’s hard to look at ownership and say, is there any more to do? Don’t get me wrong, I’ll ask, it’s just not as easy getting a yes anymore on that stuff, and understandably so.”
• Cashman wouldn’t say which agents he met with this afternoon, but he called those conversations “informative” rather than productive. “Productive implies I feel like we’re going to get somewhere,” he said. “Right now, productive is too strong a word. We’re working. We’re working. But I think it’s going to be hard to add to what we have currently.”
• The Yankees still do not have their coaching staff in place, but Cashman said that’s not an indication of anything. He’s just prioritizing the free agent market before he settles on coaching contracts.
• Former Yankees farmhand — and brief big league contributor — Juan Miranda has signed a minor league deal with the Rays. So has Jhonny Nunez, another former Yankees minor leaguer.
• Girardi on his former team, the Marlins, spending big this winter: “It’s good for baseball. They have a new stadium and they’re excited about it. It’s good for baseball. They had hoped they would get their new stadium and they would be able to do those type of things. Our roster is pretty set (with the Yankees). We have a lot of guys on long-term deals already, so that’s why maybe there’s not a lot happening for us.”
Associated Press photos
Giuseppe Franco December 6th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
GreenBeret7 December 6th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Didm’t take the old team player long to get this out in print.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/…..hange.html
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I guess Ramirez is no Michael Young.
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Let’s not forget that when it was rumored that A-Rod might come to the Yankees, someone asked Jeter what he thought about it and Jeter basically said “I’m fine with it, as long as I’m the shortstop”. And you can’t blame him. And I don’t blame Hanley for being a little miffed about the acquisition of Reyes either.
lounge lizard December 6th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Cashman has been nasty about CJ because of this quote from CJ’s agent (when he claimed a meeting had been set up with the Yankees): “I think Brian is in a situation where he doesn’t want what happened to Cliff Lee to happen again.”
I can’t imagine anything that would tick Cashman off more than to hear that.
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He should retort with “I’m not worried about that, CJ is no Cliff Lee.”
Jacksquat….Remember the Yankees went to Derek and asked about obtaining Alex and then they asked Alex about playing third before making the trade…..Marlins it appears did no such thing with their former shortstop…….I still think there’s a real good chance he’ll be moved out of South Beach….Besides, the Ozzie and Hanley has a Martin and Reggie feel to it…..
Mets supposedly looking for another reliever and working on multi-player trade. Mets-Marlins?
Let’s not forget that when it was rumored that A-Rod might come to the Yankees, someone asked Jeter what he thought about it and Jeter basically said “I’m fine with it, as long as I’m the shortstop”. And you can’t blame him. And I don’t blame Hanley for being a little miffed about the acquisition of Reyes either.
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Big difference between Hanley and Jeter. Hanley needs to grow up. He has been a brooder and at times not hustled in the field and had public words with his manager. Jeter, on the other hand has never been done any of those things. Hanley should keep his mouth shut and move to another position.
GB – one might guess Wright-Ramirez there, but the Mets aren’t going to be looking for more payroll, just the opposite.
Ramirez to the OF, and then Wright to 3rd?
Marlins looking competitive in the division.
Joe,
Wright and Pelfrey for Ramirez? About evens up the money.
GB…..If Wright were to be moved doesn’t he become a free agent at seasons end ????
“GB…..If Wright were to be moved doesn’t he become a free agent at seasons end ????”
yes….if he gets traded then he becomes a rental. Can’t see the Marlins trading 3 year’s of Hanley for one year of Wright…..especially when Wright isn’t as good of a player.
Pat,
I didn’t look at Wright’s status. Was thinking that it was 2013, but, probably wrong about that.
It would even up the money, but I still think it would be a bad deal for the Mets.
Number one, they still need somebody to pitch. Two, Ramirez does nothing for the Mets. They need to deal Wright for young players, who would be ready in a couple years, along with Wheeler, who they got in the Beltran deal. If they could find a taker for Bay and Santana, they should do thel same thing. If they had any brains, they’d have done the same thing with Reyes. But, hey, they’re the Mets for a reason.
Getting rid of attitude may be preferrable to dealing with it and getting a high draft pick if Wright walks.
well basically Wright’s club option for 2013 becomes a player option if he gets traded and he can void it if he wants…..the option is for 16 million though.
Trade Wright to the Phillies for Vance Worley
I think they could get more than Wright for Hanley if they wanted to trade him….they could get younger and more controlled players from somebody.
Well, Mets will struggle regardless, Install Ramirez at short with Murphy at third and hope Davis is back and healthy. They have Duda at first base, too. any way you slice it, the mets are in for an ugly year.
FWIW – MLBtrade rumors is reporting that the Mets have signed Jon Rauch (one year deal), and are close to a multiplayer deal, with another relief pitcher coming to NY.
How can the Mets find takers for Bay and Santana? Bay has falling into a hole and has a big money contract. Santana had surgery and didn’t pitch last year. Who knows how he is going to come back this year and he also has a big contract.
RMS – I didn’t say it would be easy.
Joe from Long Island December 6th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
If they could find a taker for Bay and Santana, they should do thel same thing.
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Bay and Santana both have full NTC’s.
GreenBeret7
Murphy is so terrible in the field that there is nowhere the Mets can hide him. He needs to go to the AL and DH.
Joelsherman1 Can confirm that #Mets deal of Pagan to #Giants for Torres and Ramirez is done
A NTC is just another contractual point that needs to be negotiated. You pay the player to waive it.
Again, I’m not saying it’s going to be easy for the Mets to deal those guys, just that it would be beneficial if they could do so.
blake says:
December 6, 2011 at 9:42 pm
“GB…..If Wright were to be moved doesn’t he become a free agent at seasons end ????”
yes….if he gets traded then he becomes a rental. Can’t see the Marlins trading 3 year’s of Hanley for one year of Wright…..especially when Wright isn’t as good of a player.
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Problem there is you’re thinking like a Yankee fan. Marlins are cheap – they PREFER shorter term financial commitments and back-loaded contracts.
Just pointing out that it makes it even harder than it already is.
The way that Torres lit up Taiwan, you just know he’s going to be a big star in New York!
LOL
@NYDNHarper: Source: cashman asked about gio gonzalez, couldn’t believe B Beane asked for Montero, Banuelos (or Betances) and CF prospect Mason Williams.
My bad, I was thinking of the rest of the roster, not Torres.
I would think both Santana and Bay would waive that no trade to bolt ……Wonder how much the Mets would eat to get them out as well in order to get well…….It’s time to start over in Flushing……
If Ramirez isn’t moved, Guillen will be setting on a case of dynamite and it could blow up at any time. You have two unstable personalities with short fuzes along with a meddling owner who allowed a player to run a new manager out of town.
Nick in SF……..A sleeper team in College b-ball that has made me money last season and this season is Iona……
“Problem there is you’re thinking like a Yankee fan. Marlins are cheap – they PREFER shorter term financial commitments and back-loaded contracts.”
yea but Wright could just decide to keep the option and then the money is roughly the same only you have a worse player in Wright for a year less than with Hanley….the Marlins are trying to win apparently….if Hanley was being a royal pain and they just wanted to unload him then maybe theyd do that….
but I would think if they did shop him then it would be to fill several holes and not just get a year or two of Wright.
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
With Pagan and M. Cabrera, sure doesn’t seem like #sfGiants are signing Beltran. #MLB
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When Iona plays Sienna: fireworks.
Pat,
Do you think boston would pick up Bay again if they only had half of Bay’s contract?
KenDavidoff Ken Davidoff
The #Mets and Frank Francisco have agreed to a 2-year deal, pending a physical.
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blake December 6th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
KenDavidoff Ken Davidoff
The #Mets and Frank Francisco have agreed to a 2-year deal, pending a physical.
1 minute ago
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And AA’s failure on Napoli trade is now finally complete. . . .
Both Bay and Santana are signed through 2013, and both have club options for 2014 ($25M Santana, $17M Bay). It would cost the Mets $8.5M just to buy out those options. Ouch.
“And AA’s failure on Napoli trade is now finally complete. . . .”
his main goal in that whole thing was to get rid of Wells and he accomplished that……should he have kept Napoli….sure…..but he was probably still drunk from the “we traded Vernon Wells” party.
Mets new closer is Frank Francisco for 2 years. Beefing up their bullpen to have a 12 man relieve pitching staff and one starter (Gee).
but I would think if they did shop him then it would be to fill several holes and not just get a year or two of Wright.
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Or they could flip Wright to help fill several holes.
@jonmorosi
Frank Francisco’s deal with #Mets is 12M over two years, source says.
12M for Frank Francisco? Gotta be kidding.
blake December 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
“And AA’s failure on Napoli trade is now finally complete. . . .”
his main goal in that whole thing was to get rid of Wells and he accomplished that……should he have kept Napoli….sure…..but he was probably still drunk from the “we traded Vernon Wells” party.
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Dude is overhyped – still think he could have gotten better return for Halladay if he was not so worried about PR hits. Say this – Tampa has indicated it would not be afraid of dealing within the division. And I evaluate deals separately – still does not excuse dealing Napoli like that.
I hope Montero, Betances and Banuelos are long term stars for the Yankees.That would be awesome….A core 3….
The Angels are already drawing trade interest on Ervin Santana in anticipation of a possible Wilson signing, tweets Ken Rosenthal.
Hanley is one of the most valuable assets in MLB. If he was put on the trade market the Marlins would get an absolute haul.
They aren’t trading him and even if they did one year of David Wright is not nearly enough.
DocTodd December 6th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
I hope Montero, Betances and Banuelos are long term stars for the Yankees.That would be awesome….A core 3….
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At this point – they better be – we have already passed on Lee, Haren and others for sake of the farm – we need these guys to start paying dividends.
Ramirez would be valuable if he was a soccer player or a field goal kicker. It’ll be a race between Ramirez, Guillen and Loria as to who blows up that team first.
GB
Would you want the Yankees to trade for Hanley if he were made available?
Looks like the Cubs are making a run on Pujols as well as Fielder now. Fact or fiction…your choice.
The Cubs are “definitely in” on Pujols still, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. If nothing else, they want to make things hard on the Cards by increasing the bidding, says Sherman.
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Theo bringing some AL East style tactics to the NL Central
If I were the Mets, I’d shop Wright and Santana too. Time to rebuild. The Phillies, Braves, and maybe even the Marlins, will be too good to beat in this next couple of years.
GreenBeret7 December 6th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Ramirez would be valuable if he was a soccer player or a field goal kicker. It’ll be a race between Ramirez, Guillen and Loria as to who blows up that team first.
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As long as Mike Stanton lands in the Yankees outfield at some point – I will be fine with this happening. . . .
Where would he play? Run Jeter out of the shortstop spot? I have as much use for this Ramirez as I did the other Ramirez or Reggie Jackson. He’s a dog. He plays if he feels like it.
RadioKev December 6th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
If I were the Mets, I’d shop Wright and Santana too. Time to rebuild. The Phillies, Braves, and maybe even the Marlins, will be too good to beat in this next couple of years.
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And the Nationals even have a nicer future in 3 years – when the Mets would hope to compete – what with Strasburg, Harper, both Zimmermans, some money to spend, Storen, and I believe Rendon. . . . .
Well, looks like Mets are building a bullpen. That’s one way to get a pitching staff.
Reggie Jackson hit 3 HRs in the WS, hit 550+ career HRs, is going to the HOF, and was a passionate intense team leader.
If that’s a dog, he can be a dog for my team anyday (and about 30 years ago, he was)
“As long as Mike Stanton lands in the Yankees outfield at some point – I will be fine with this happening. .”
be a long time from now if ever.
Joe from Long Island December 6th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Well, looks like Mets are building a bullpen. That’s one way to get a pitching staff.
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Bullpens are volatile – you do not spend too much on them – unless your closer is Mo or your Randy Levine shelling out too much for Rafael Soriano. . . .
Jackson was never a leader of any team….unless the cameras were running.
We’ll have a good shot at Reyes/Pujols/Wilson/Bell in a few years though once the Marlins go bankrupt.
I would think Fielder would appeal to The Cubbies rather than Albert
GreenBeret7 December 6th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Jackson was never a leader of any team….unless the cameras were running.
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And yet he still managed to have one of the greatest games ever for the Yankees. . . .
Willie Randolph and Mickey Rivers were more of the leaders on those teams than jackson was.
“I would think Fielder would appeal to The Cubbies rather than Albert”
yea….I think that’s where he’s going.
fielder makes much more sense on a 10 yer deal too….
gotta wonder how old pujols really is
I don’t care what he did in one game. Jackson was a dog if he didn’t feel like playing. The only one on that team that was more disliked than GMS was Jackson. He had one friend on that team…Fran Healey. Healey was his friend because that was the only way GMS would allow him to stay on the team….to be Jackson’s bought friend.
Albert willl have to make a family decision – for a few dollars more (a pretty good movie, by the way) – does he uproot his life and leave St. Louis – his family disrupted one way or another, his business deals, charity work, legacy with the Cardinals as the Hombre and heir to Stan the Man…..
good night, all.
Jackson was the straw that stirred the drinks – without him, no rings in 77-78.
Reggie guest-starred on the Love Boat, the consummate team program.
I think you are right. If I was Theo, Prince would seem to make much more sense than Pujols (if you going to be in on one of the two).
Jackson didn’t stir up anything but crap. The heart of those teams….players that had drive and “passion” were Munson, Piniella and Nettles. You don’t bench “the straw that stirs the drink” in game 7 of a League Championship game.
Oh, no!! Nate McLouth has been stolen by the Pirates from the Yankees. Cashman outworked again.
kd…..Albert is an old 31 or so…
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Angels pursuing Pujols. Ongoing conversations. #MLB
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Ken Rosenthal Sources:
#Angels pursuing Pujols. Ongoing conversations. #MLB
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Opps. Too slow on the draw….
Blake-
So the Angels are the mystery team?
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
now @Ken_Rosenthal is reporting exactly that. Market for Pujols not as small as we thought, perhaps.
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
AL official insisted to me and 1 other reporter today that #Angels were deep into Pujols. Checked with Angel exec who said no. But (cont)
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Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Angels pursuing Pujols. Ongoing conversations.
Trader,
could be….
Wow Angels ??? Didn’t see that coming…..
it makes sense for the angels, they need a bat, have a lot of money. also, an al team makes a lot of sense for an older gentleman
Medias been saying there was no market for Pujols. 3 teams all willing to go 10/$200+ sure looks like a market to me.
The Angels opening day 2011 payroll was almost 142M. Sign Pujols and out on CJ Wilson and Aramis Ramirez? Who’s on 1st?
If the Angels do sign Pujols, tbe A’s may have to counter and bring back Matsui.
“Who’s” on first-Pujols, Morales, Trumbo?
“I Don’t Know”is on third.
Forgetting Pujols and signing Aramis Ranirez and CJ Wilson would make a lot more sense for the Angels. They haven’t had a third baseman since Glaus.
***Ramirez***
never considered Figgins as a third baseman. Only a guy that played there.