A look at the Yankees Rule 5 picks
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2011 
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RHP Brad Meyers
From the Nationals
26 years old
Played at three levels in 2011, going 9-7 with a 3.18 ERA from High-A to Triple-A. He struck out 116 batter and walked only 15. Originally a fifth-round draft pick in 2007, he was the Nationals organizational Pitcher of the Year in 2009.
Potential role: Meyers has been a starter in the minor leagues, but he’ll compete for a long relief role with the Yankees. That spot is wide open because the Yankees don’t want Hector Noesi to do it. “I just think Noesi is a starter,” Brian Cashman said. “So one way or another, that’s where he needs to be. I don’t want to waste his time as a long man if we can avoid it.”
Cashman’s scouting report: “Six-foot-six, a right-hander. He’s got a four-pitch mix. A strike-thrower. We look at him as trying to take a shot at that long-man spot for us in the spring.”
LHP Cesar Cabral
From the Red Sox
22 years old
Had a 2.95 ERA in 36 relief appearances between Single-A and Double-A in 2011. Originally signed as a non-drafted free agent in 2006, he was previously taken by the Rays in last year’s Rule 5 but didn’t stick.
Potential role: The Yankees traded cash considerations for the rights to the Royals pick in the Rule 5 draft, then used that to get Cabral who will compete for a spot as a second lefty behind Boone Logan in the Yankees bullpen. The Yankees have had no luck spending big money on proven left-handed relievers, and this is kind of the opposite approach. It didn’t work with Rule 5 pick Robert Fish last year.
Cashman’s scouting report: “His fastball gets up to 94. He’s a fastball, slider, changeup guy. We like him a lot. He’s got ability, and he can get lefties out, so we’ll see what we see in the spring.”
Spring is so far
Boston couldn’t use a guy like Cabral?
And good move by Cashman committing to Noesi as a starter.
Spend your winter staring at pinups of baseball players.
K-Rod accepted arbitration from the Brewers…. ?
Which of these pitchers admires Yu Darvish the most?
How much will the posting fee be for Lee Jung Hyun?
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RadioKev December 8th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
I really can’t tell if these Cashman comments are a bidding smokescreen or true.
Darvish should be better than AJ Burnett in the majors, shouldn’t he? If that’s his floor, isn’t he an improvement? I’d take the gamble because I think he’ll simply upgrade our fifth starter at worst, or be an ace at best.
The Yankees cannot touch this type of talent without trading an arm and a leg for it. They have to become a really really bad team to be able to draft talent like this. The CBA is going to constrain their international prospects too. Great young players are being locked up with long term extensions. The market is becoming very efficient.
This could be the last chance the Yankees get to sign young premium talent. Take it and run with it. We won’t be getting this chance again anytime soon.
I would like the tweak to Boston’s nose if Cabral made it as a second lefty.
Had a 2.95 ERA in 36 relief appearances between Single-A and Double-A in 2011. Originally signed as a non-drafted free agent in 2006, he was previously taken by the Rays in last year’s Rule 5 but didn’t stick.
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Something has to be wrong with Cabral. A 22 year old lefty who throws 94 and he wasn’t protected? What?
Maybe they thought no would hold on to a AA pitcher in the majors?
When’s the last time we kept a Rule-5 guy?
The Yankees need to continue their GQ advantage over the Red Sox. Get Darvish.
Darvish hangs dong for magazines, proof he will be a great Yankee pitcher.
Bo knows, what do you think the winning Yu Darvish bid will be? Do you think the Yanks make it?
I disagree with going the Rule 5 route for a mop-up\long man. I much prefer stashing a 6th starter there. Somebody like Bartolo maybe. I do get the feeling with Cashman so Very committed to keeping Garcia in the rotation, that Cashman assured Freddy he would be in the rotation in order to get him to sign.
“Something has to be wrong with Cabral. A 22 year old lefty who throws 94 and he wasn’t protected? What?”
Maybe other teams don’t recognize the need for a 2nd loogy the way Joe’s Binder does?
Darvish hangs dong for magazines, proof he will be a great Yankee pitcher.
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Cashman needs to post like 100 billion dollars, that’d be so thundergun.
m December 8th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Boston couldn’t use a guy like Cabral?
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You beat me to the punch.
Obviously, this is a no-risk move by Cashman, but the odds are against him helping the big club next season if he couldn’t even stick with the Red Sox with their bullpen woes.
These are people who care about Rule 5 picks ? What planet are they on ?
Ever heard of Pedro Guerrero?
I like the statement that Noesi is a starter. If and when Garcia breaks down, they finally stop sending Burnett out there, or Hughes gets hurt (again), he’ll be right there. Makes no sense to adena him winter ball for innings only to make him a mop up guy or spot starter.
I like the statement that Noesi is a starter. If and when Garcia breaks down, they finally stop sending Burnett out there, or Hughes gets hurt (again), he’ll be right there. Makes no sense to send him to winter ball for innings only to make him a mop up guy or spot starter.
Off the cuff, I think the Yankees will go 46 mil and yes they will make it. It’s a necessary bid for those loge seats at thousands a shot. Selling the sizzle.
Pat M.
Get excited. Some big news coming down soon.
Rockies and Twins completed their slowey deal with the rockies sending Daniel Turpen to the twins. Turpen was a yankee for like 5 seconds last season.
Bo knows,
Matsui was a popular player. I can imagine the excitement again. The problem is that Yu is not an everyday player like Matsui was.
Interesting angle, Bo knows. Yu could pay instant dividends. Fans have a yen for glamor and excitement. Instant appointment viewing.
All the reports were that it was Brett Meyers.
I’m on board that the Yankees begin to appreciate Noesi. It was a wasted year for him last year. They could have at least run him by a 100 innings during the season. Hopefully this was a Rothschild input. This, neither fish nor fowl, pitching development that the Yankees abused in the past years was an abomination.
It’s more sad than exciting.
NBAonESPN:
BREAKING: Lakers agree to send Chris Paul to Lakers for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, according to sources. Gasol may be re-routed to Houston.
There’s been a few Rule 5s that have done ok. a guy named Roberto Clemente, HOF and MVP, George Bell, MVP, Kelly Gruber, power bat at 3rd base for Toronto, Santana, CYA, Dan Uggla. Not a bad way to find something useful. Most don’t do a lot, but, not many teams miss on the same guy twice, like the Yanks and San Diego with Nova.
starting guys in the bullpen then moving them into starting slots used to be the nomral way of developing pitchers. i have no problem with it, i think most pitchers will learn more from relieving in the bigs then they will starting in aaa.
I’ve met many people who can be shirtless and not nude…..they can also shave nascar numbers in their back hair though? Im assuming Darvish can’t do that.
Santana, too. GB7
BREAKING: Lakers agree to send Chris Paul to Lakers for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, according to sources. Gasol may be re-routed to Houston.
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Guess you mean Hornets?
This could mean Deron Williams to Knicks next year.
Could open door for Nash, if possible.
How does getting a point guard and trading away your two big guys make the Lakers better…….unless Mr. Howard is coming….
The Lakers acquire Chris Paul in a massive three-team deal that raises heaps of questions
blake,
Unless the Magic are okay with a Bynum/Howard swap before Howard’s eventual departure, Howard to LA won’t happen in ’12. But Howard does have some say. He can refuse to sign an extension and Orlando will have to get nothing in the end or send him for Bynum (IF that’s Howard’s desired destination).
Yahoo! Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that the Los Angeles Lakers, Houston Rockets, and New Orleans Hornets have struck a deal that would send MVP-level point guard Chris Paul to the Lakers. Wow.
In the deal, Houston would ship Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and Goran Dragic to the Hornets and receive Pau Gasol in return from the Lakers. Los Angeles would also have to send Lamar Odom to the Hornets, and this is about as massive as these things get. Big names, giant moves, heaps of questions, and 17 days between now and the Christmas evening which will see the Lakers tip their season off against the Chicago Bulls.
m
To me Matsui was the quintessential situational hitter. Best Yankee since Mattingly. Yankee fans embraced that and also his quirky sense of humor that transcended the inscrutable, a play on the play as it were. Yankee fans are nothing if not cosmopolitan.
Nick
Instant appointment viewing
Very stylish turn of phrase – kudos
While LoHud fiddles with NBA talk, Yankee computers are burning up with Darvish simulations.
1 and done in LA for Paul?
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The only questions are why didn’t other teams ante up? Odom & Gasol is a huge haul (with Gasol being turned into complementary players from Houston). Another question is why didn’t Orlando step in ahead of New Orleans. They could have had their pick of the litter.
mick,
NO WAY. Not those two players for 1 year of Paul. I had heard that Paul would agree to an extension with the Lakers (who btw will be printing huge $$ with their new tv deal).
OMG YOU BROKE IT
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F the Lakers and the Hornets. Chris Paul wanted NY not LA
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You mean to tell me this front office was too gun shy to go 7-million per year for a fireball throwing lefty (Aroldis Chapman) but they’re going to have a giant orgasm over the opportunity to sink 60 million dollars in another foreign player just for the privilege of paying him 12-15 million (nearly double Chapman’s salary) on top of that.
???????
I’d make the bet that Yu Darvish will have a better MLB career than Aroldis Chapman.
And possibly paralyze the budget before potentially having an opportunity to make a much safer investment in Cole Hamels or Matt Cain…you know…PROVEN commodities?
blake…..The Lakers just traded for the best point guard on the planet……Plus the Lakers moved huge salaries as if that really matters to Dr. Buss…….m, I didn’t think CP3 was coming to Hollywood….
Bidding For Yu Darvish Ends Wednesday
By Steve Adams [December 8 at 6:22pm CST]
6:22pm: The Nationals have interest in Darvish, writes Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post. GM Mike Rizzo didn’t divulge whether the Nats plan to bid, but his refusal to comment suggests to Kilgore that they will.
4:50pm: Now that Darvish has been posted, teams will have until 4:00pm CST on December 14th (four business days) to submit bids, tweets Buster Olney.
12:40pm: The Yankees are unsure about whether they’ll bid on Darvish, tweets Buster Olney. He considers their interest lukewarm. I think everyone’s playing coy at this stage; we’ll see where the bids were when the dust settles. By the way, Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski said this week he will not be bidding on Darvish, according to Jason Beck.
11:07am: The Dodgers won’t be bidding on Darvish, tweets Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times, but A’s assistant GM David Forst wouldn’t rule it out in talking to Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News hears the Rangers aren’t willing to gamble $100MM on Darvish. The Red Sox will discuss Darvish but feel pretty good about the front end of their rotation already, GM Ben Cherington told reporters.
4:56am: Following the announcement last night that the Nippon-Ham Fighters will post ace Yu Darvish, Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports write that the Rangers, Blue Jays, and Yankees are all expected to bid on the Japanese righty. ESPN’s Buster Olney also tweets that rival executives are expecting both the Rangers and Blue Jays to bid big Darvish, with the Rangers fueled by the expected loss of C.J. Wilson to the Angels or Marlins.
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Today’s timeline of reports on Yu
Is this blog brainwashing people or something? Christ.
Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Is this blog brainwashing people or something? Christ.
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I used to know the TA for the blog, but he moved on. Else I’d send him a note about the Italics.
Steelers and Cleveland at 8PM on NFL.
Aroldis Chapman, the guy who never threw 200 innings in 1 year or had more than 1 workable pitch. The yankees should have gone after Chapman, I’m pretty sure I said they should have, but he isn’t Yu Darvish. Chapman was someone that needed to go to the minors because he simply did not have the workload under him to be a major league starter or the pitches.
He doesn’t have Darvish’s repertoire, command, or innings build up. Darvish obviously does not have Chapman’s fastball.
Gary I’m talking about the circle jerk over Darvish.
It’s not my money but 100 million dollars looks a lot safer in the wallet of Cole Hamels or Matt Cain.
What will the winning bid be for Darvish, Bret the Hitman, and what team will make it?
The Nationals better not get Yu; a Strasburg/Darvish 1-2 punch might upset the space-time continuum.
If the Yankees want to stick their thumbs up their butts for 2 years straight just to reach this point here where they will gamble 120+ million dollars on an unknown foreign player then that’s their prerogative. I have no interest in speculating on the process. It’s pretty unbelievable, considering the price of Chapman and the looming free agency of proven commodities like Hamels or Cain but whatever.
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Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
What will the winning bid be for Darvish, Bret the Hitman, and what team will make it?
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Nick, if the Yankees aren’t in fact lukewarm as the spin goes I think they win it. Hard to say is will be south of $50M. I don’t think the people who really want him will be afraid to bid less than that if they really hope to win. Maybe it’s the big surprise though and they all bid in the 30′s. It has to be one of the two, no othger numbers seem plausable.
I hope I make myself clear when I communicate. I don’t like to hide my feelings.
Chapman was a project, which required a major league deal, and a 40 man spot for a player that needed minor league time. Different equation entirely.
Different cost/risk entirely as well.
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If it’s reasonable to wait for Hamels or Cain next winter, then the club should stand pat this winter.
Not only should they likely pass on Darvish (if they can’t have 3 20M pitchers) then they should also not trade for a pitcher that will cost them talent – especially hitting talent – which they have very little of to begin with at the prospect level.
So doing nothing major would be the logical conclusion from that decision.
I have to go food shopping. If I don’t have dinner ready when my girlfriend gets back I will regret this.
later
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Aargh, mea culpa
I hope he’s using her money to buy that food.
Gary I’m talking about the circle jerk over Darvish.
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as opposed to your circle jerk over Ubaldo
The major issue on Chapman wasn’t his talent – it was his role. If you evaluated him to be a reliever then spending what it took to sign him didn’t make sense.
I wanted the yanks to sign him. I posted a lot about that at that time. But I also acknowledge that it wasn’t straightforward – and the big issue was his role.
And that still hasn’t been settled yet with the Reds (though I think they’ve done a terrible job with his development also).
CB,
The only question Id raise with that is…..is there a championship window here that may close soon for a couple of years before the youngsters in the organization are able to open a new one back up……and should that push the Yanks to do whatever they can to win now short of sacrificing too much for the future?
Personally I think they should attempt to strengthen weaknesses if they can within reason…..and then use that “stretching the budget for special talent” stuff they talk about all the time if Hamels hits the market next winter.
Basically my worry would be you wait for Hamels……he re-signs with the Phillies and then you’re left with a year older Jeter, Arod, and retired Rivera etc…..
after matsuzaka, i dont think anybody should post $50 Mil, but it only takes one and someone probably will do it. I certainly dont see the Yankees being that team, though.
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I was joking.. i used bold tag for my post asking what html is haha..
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Now we are all reading the blog how Darvish would
What i can’t understand is,why would a team like the phillies even let hamels get to fa when you can trade him for a very nice haul?
Same with the mets & reyes.
The mets didn’t even offer reyes a contract.What a waste.
I know the mets would probably not have gotten 4 elite prospects,but they would have gotten a few.
“Personally I think they should attempt to strengthen weaknesses if they can within reason…..and then use that “stretching the budget for special talent” stuff they talk about all the time if Hamels hits the market next winter.”
I completely agree. And I don’t think they should just stand pat.
It’s more that it’s difficult to make a big deal out of signing Darvish because of Hamels next year if you are also going to bang the can for trading Montero for a second rung guy like Gonzale or a damanged Jimenez.
If Hamels preculdes Darvish then Hamels should preclude making a trade where you give up a piece like Montero.
Montero’s value to the yankees could well dwarf 100M over his career. And they have no comparable source of power hitting anywhere in their upper minors.
His monetary value isn’t only abstract. It’s very tangible at this point.
In former Soviet Union, blog italicizes YOU!
CB December 8th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
If it’s reasonable to wait for Hamels or Cain next winter, then the club should stand pat this winter.
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I just don’ believe it. No team can let waiting on a pitcher to hit free agency, in this day and age, be their strategy. Look what happened with Cliff Lee. I’ll be surprised if Hamels or Cain hit the free market. Hamels seems like a prime extension candidate, and Cain could be extended, or traded, depending on how the season goes.
The Yankees have to play the hand they’re dealt. It’s one thing to not believe in Darvish, but I think waiting is a foolish strategy.
They waited on cc,and it won them a ws.
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“I just don’ believe it. No team can let waiting on a pitcher to hit free agency, in this day and age, be their strategy. Look what happened with Cliff Lee.”
That’s reasonable as well. Waiting is a major risk.
But this is exactly what the Yankees did with CC vs. Santana. And that was absolutely the right risk to take.
And again – I’m not advocating that they wait.
It’s just that if you do assume that Hamels will be available then that really changes how you approach this winter.
And one of the things that this would lead you to do is to save assets that are hitters because you have a shot at front end pitching next season. It also means that you should expend assets that are more fungible in the short term – and that’s money.
The Lakers got CP3 and got to hold onto Bynum?
Unreal. Pau Gasol being getting gifted to the Lakers a few years ago just keeps on giving.
I also think for under 80 million,cj would have been perfect,and made the yankees very tough to beat.
cc
wilson
nova
garcia
hughes
Dump burnett,and you still keep all of our prospects.
Nova, Noesi, Banuelos, Betances – mid nineties heat plus quality breaking pitches. Now find an established pitcher that matches that. Nova and Noesi have already, respectably pitched in the Majors, the other two are in AAA next season, a phone call away. This on a team with 97 wins featuring a wonky A Rod and Teix in a two year slide. Where’s the beef?
I was wrong about CP3. Really thought LA was going to direct all their assets to D12.
I’m glad the Knicks were able to adjust course so quickly and land Tyson.
Yeah CB, I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m disagreeing with anyone’s idea that Hamels hitting FA is a sure thing.
The Santana vs CC comparison is apt. You’re right, that risk was the right one to take. There were enough warning signs with Santana, and the cost of acquiring him, to back away from a deal.
I also totally agree that if you operate under the belief that Hamels will be available next season, making a trade now is even more ridiculous.
All the Yankees can do is make an evaluation of Darvish and ask “is this a must have guy?” If he is, then you do whatever it takes to obtain him. If he isn’t, then I’m perfectly happy with that decision. The Yankees scouting department has won my trust over the past couple of years.
m,
How do you think the Lakers adjust to having such a great PG? Is Mike Brown overhauling Jackson’s triangle system?
“If Hamels preculdes Darvish then Hamels should preclude making a trade where you give up a piece like Montero.”
Absolutely.
Bring in the Goose
That’s it – back to the typing tutor. Dump the second bottle of wine.
Is Matt Cain worth a 100M+ investment in the AL East?
CB,
And what you’re saying is why I’ve pretty much thought from the beginning that a trade for Danks might make the most sense…..it wouldn’t tie up payroll longterm and it would make the team better for 2012…..but part of that was I thought they coukd get him for less than the top guys and potentially excess in the system…..so far Kenny Williams isn’t playing ball on that part……I still am hopeful he will.
“Is Matt Cain worth a 100M+ investment in the AL East?”
Not for me…….Hamels is on a different tier to me.
LGY,
I think they were going to do a hybrid offense, basically an offshoot of the triangle. From the analysis I read so far, even if we keep Bynum Paul is going to pair up better with him than Kobe because Bynum has great reach and the “softest hands” of any NBA center. Basically, if he loved Chandler, he’s really going to love Bynum.
Still holding out for D12, though.
Khloe Kardashian Takes Charlotte?
Somehow I don’t see a big ratings boost here…
I believe that there is no reason that Rodriguez can’t put up the same sort of number in 5 of the last 6 years of this contract that he put up from 2008-2010. That’s as much as all of the other third basemen in baseball with a possible exception of Longoria, who still hasn’t done any better than the averages of those seasons. Jeter’s not such an easy one to figure. I’d settle for three healthy years of what 2011 would have been without the injury.
Teixeira is a smart hitter. He’ll figure out a way to clean up his left handed swing, still produce his numbers and eventually beat the shift by hitting over it.
Cano is just a freak of nature. A Clemente or Oliva talent.
m
The Lakers are going to be fun to watch. Kobe and CP3 are maybe the two most competitive guys in the game.
One thing is for sure. I’m a lot happier the Lakers got him than the Celtics.
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Rockies have sent ian stewart and Casey weathers to cubs for tyler Colvin and DJ lamehieu
LOL. Bill Simmons is butthurt
@sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
Chris Paul is going to love Los Angeles – this city has the best knee surgeons in the country.
Dodgers will be allowed to sell TV rights according to bankrupcy judge
If they don’t replace Gasol then how are the Lakers any better?
blake
I think the question mark with the Lakers will be if Bynum can stay healthy. Paul is one of the 5 best players in the game and maybe the most effective at making the players around him better. If Bynum goes down they may be in trouble without Pau around.
Metta World Peace play PF?
LGY,
Yea….Kobe and Paul would be lethal win a legit big man …..Im just not sure Bynum is it….but hey Im not NBA expert.
Now Kobe, CP3,and Howard would show the Heat what a real big 3 looks like.
@WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBA owners have pushed commissioner David Stern to kill the deal sending Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell Y! Sports.
blake,
LOL. If the Lakers get CP3 and D12 they may as well just shut down the NBA. Nobody else even has a chance.
Paul might be saying he wont resign with Lakers killing deal.
This is crazy
@ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
One source close to the three-team Chris Paul trade talks just told ESPN.com: “The deal is off.”
Why would LA want Paul for a rental?
The owners are probably arguing that trading Paul makes the franchise less valuable when the team is sold.
Which is code for butthurt over the Lakers getting CP3.
Blake,
Jordan won six titles with Cartgwright, Will perdue and Luc Longley as his center. He also had Armstrong/kerr and paxon as his PG. ‘s