Darvish to be posted
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2011 
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Agent Don Nomura just posted on Twitter that Japanese starter Yu Darvish will be posted tomorrow. I have to assume that means on Thursday, but obviously I’m not sure. Although I can’t read Darvish’s blog, Dylan Hernandez reports that Darvish himself confirmed that he’ll be posted.
The Yankees have been scouting Darvish heavily since 2008. His availability changes the pitching market at a time when significant pieces are finally starting to come off the board.
We need a LoHud contest.
What will the winning bid be?
What team will make that bid?
If Daisuke Matsuzaka’s posting fee was $51,111,111.11, you’ve got to think Darvish’s will be over $60 million.
On the one hand Cashman seems to indicate that he’s operating on a strict budget, but you’ve got to figure that he gets the green light to post a bid, since it doesn’t count toward the luxury tax. Tell you this much, if Darvish is signed, AJ is as good as gone.
Marlin’s Loria states that Miami is spending so much money based on anticipated ticket sales.
Voodoo economics lives.
waka flocka December 8th, 2011 at 1:12 am
yeah I am sure Garcia, Nova and Colon’s replacement will pitch exactly the way they did last year.
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The only difference is that Hughes will be healthy and get Colon’s starts and his…about 33-34 of them. Nova and Garcia won’t have replacements. Nice try, though.
Bidding $60 is dumb. Bidding $51M was dumb, too.
Simon, this bidding may be a major reason that Cashman didn’t go after the big names on the market. It was earmarked to make a bid on Darvish. Regardless of the posting fee “not counting towards payroll” it still has to come from somewhere in the budget.
m,
If somebody bids $60, they won’t have much chance to get Darvish. If that’s all it took, I’d buy him to work on my yard and rent him out to Cashman a couple of times a week
bobby v loves this guy, more than he loved dice-k
my prediction: red sox, 55 million posting fee. 7/80 contract
there’s no way they sit still, boston fans aren’t going to stand for two straigth third place finishes
Nice to see Yu
Somebody mentioned Andre Dawson – my favorite Expo and his quote later in Chicago.
1. Chicago Cubs outfielder Andre Dawson on being a role model:
“I wan’ all dem kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I wan’ all the kids to copulate me.”
or the other quote
12. Frank Layden , Utah Jazz president, on a former player:
“I asked him, ‘Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?’
He said, ‘Coach, I don’t know and I don’t care.’”
I’ll guess that the winning posting fee for Yu will be $80 million. I have no idea who’ll get him, but for the purpose of the contest, I’ll go with the Cubs.
If Daisuke Matsuzaka’s posting fee was $51,111,111.11, you’ve got to think Darvish’s will be over $60 million.
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Everyone else bid 30 mil. The red sox overplayed their hand. I dont think the winning bid will be between 40-60, but not over.
I hope the Yankees make an aggressive bid. MAKE IT HAPPEN CASH
Where are Yu Jerkface? This is the day Yu been waiting for. Don’t tell me Yu went to sleep!
Nevermind. Yu are here!
kd December 8th, 2011 at 1:38 am
bobby v loves this guy, more than he loved dice-k
my prediction: red sox, 55 million posting fee. 7/80 contract
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Not sure what will actually happen. But the sux have been strangely silent for a team that has huge holes in their rotation.
For what it’s worth, considering that on Dice-K, boston bid $50.1M and the next highest bid was $30M, this time around I don’t think anyone bids over $40M.
Pujols isn’t getting the $275M or $300M predicted just a year or two ago.
Fielder isn’t going to get more than a 7 year deal for $140, if that.
CJ Wilson isn’t getting the $100M contract it was alleged he sought. Instead he may get 5 years and $75M-$80M.
So I don’t think the posting fee will be even close to Dice-K’s though Darvish may be more talented. Hope he’s not offended.
This is where the Yankees make a big splash, get Darvish!
I like the $55 million guess.
To honor Godzilla!
This is where the Yankees make a big splash
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Yu better believe it!
exactly nick.
they need to pay that guy more that they paid dice-k. bibby v needs to put his mark on the franchise. the sox need arms, yes multiple, arms. aceves’ back won’t last the season.
with papi in arbitration, he’s going to eat up a lot of that 20 million they have until the salary cap. they’ll back load the deal and get it done
I’m actually worried that Bobby V will fix Dice-BB. :/
Just to be clear, I am NOT guessing $60.
kd, I don’t like the Sox part of the guess.
m,
It did seem a little low, but, that bid would have been second in the Nakajima posting.
Good catch, GB7. Cant get anything past Yu. Ugh. It’s contagious.
So, he posts tomorrow, how long will the bidding process last?
I’ll go with a $62 mil bid. I don’t like close games, unless Rivera’s pitching to save it.n
4 days, m.
I wonder if the Red Sox buys the secret bid from the Boston Hamfighters again?
So much for all the ego rumors about posting in mid january or whatever.
Does Yu pull a Suzucki and ask to have his first name on the back of his jersey?
Will the first time he bombs in a game inspire a headline: “Hey Bullwinkle, Wassamatta Yu?”
JF,
I think he was always going to post. And sooner, rather than later.
GB7,
Thanks for that. Post tomorrow (Friday in Japan), 4 business days means is closes Wednesday (Thursday in Japan)?
Then it’s watch for the white smoke?
Is it 4 business days or just 4 days?
I think its just 4 days, or players would simply always post near the end of the week to get an extra 2 days for the auction.
Wikipedia says 4 days, nothing about 4 business days.
To all the fans, an announcement
At this time, Yu Darvish has decided to use the posting system.
Because I wanted to relay this to the fans first, I am announcing this here.
I greatly appreciate the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters Baseball Club.
Because we’ve only just begun the posting process, I can’t talk about the details now.
I wish to hold a press conference once everything is decided.
Yu Darvish
(via NPB Tracker)
Yankees need to put “Highest Bid+1″ on their bidding card
@YankeeSource: Bobby V thinks every Japanese pitcher is amazing. I’ve heard him rave about guys who wouldn’t be AAA starters before.
“He’s one of the best,” Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine, who managed against Darvish in Japan, told USA Today. “If you asked, ‘Who are the four best pitchers in baseball?’ you’d have to talk about him.”
Serial? He means 4 best pitcher in Japan, right?
Darvish posting article
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ams-120711
I wonder if Darvish and Nakajima are friends?
Even if not having another Japanese speaking players on the team seems like it would certainly add a level of comfort for Darvish.
I think the Yanks go after Darvish.
They have certainly scouted him enough. If they feel he definately has the talent/stuff I think it is a good risk. Could be the last major missing piece to the puzzle.
Garcia was great for us last year but I wish we had a bigtime talent to send out there in game 2 of last years NLDS.
Morning-Cash was on Hot Stove last night, he wasn’t timid about wanting that #2 pitcher. If the Yanks believe that Yu could be that pitcher I expect the Steinbrenners to be all in and Cash go get it done. Many here make money a issue, I don’t believe it’s ever an issue for a player that the Yankees want and they certaintly aren’t going to lose a player they want to Boston over money.
I think the Yanks will make a high bid for Darvish, one that they believe or know will win the process. I’m looking forward to seeing him at the announcement ceremony with his Yankee Jersey on.
Sabermetricians everywhere rejoice!! Yu better not cheap out Hal! Let Hank pick the bid
I know 60 million is a lot just to have the right to sign a guy but wouldn’t the Yankees make that back and them some with all the revenue they gain in Japanese markets?
Over/Under: 10 million Yankee Darvish jerseys sold in Japan.
Sox aren’t getting close. Sorry to tell Yu that, kd.
Bobby V has nothing to do with their payroll. Boston fans are going to have to bite the bullet with a bare cupboard of non-prospects and no $$$ to spend.
The NY Post will go nuts with this for the life of his contract in headlines. Murdoch should pitch in some $$$$. Yu better be ready.
If the Yankees like him, they should really commit and land him. He could be a great fit to this team. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t better than AJ Burnett.
Bobby V is crazy.
If the Sox go after Darvish then they’ll struggle to stay under 200 million by the time they fil their other holes. They really have some tough decisions this winter…….is it more important for them to avoid the luxury tax or get better? We will find out and so will their fans.
pkyankfan69 December 8th, 2011 at 7:15 am
I know 60 million is a lot just to have the right to sign a guy but wouldn’t the Yankees make that back and them some with all the revenue they gain in Japanese markets?
Over/Under: 10 million Yankee Darvish jerseys sold in Japan.
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I think the Yankee revenue this year is about $430M, player expenses are about half that. Gate receipts are about $300M. They at least have the Posada money coming off this year. To your point the Yanks are the #1 business in baseball and a revenue creating machine with a strong international franchise. They get to that positon by spending their money and putting quality players and a product on the field year after year. If Yu is the player he is projected to be that can’t do anything but add to the franchise. I expect the money to NOT have any significant issues to the current cost structure of the club.
I would be pretty surprised if Cashman bid more than $35 million for Darvish. And I very much doubt that the winning bid will exceed $35 million (unless, of course, the Cubbies bid #52 million for him
). If the Sox (or anybody else) wants to throw away $40 miilion on the posting fee, then they are welcome to have Darvish. as far as I’m concerned.
Ghostwriter December 8th, 2011 at 7:28 am
I would be pretty surprised if Cashman bid more than $35 million for Darvish. And I very much doubt that the winning bid will exceed $35 million (unless, of course, the Cubbies bid #52 million for him ). If the Sox (or anybody else) wants to throw away $40 miilion on the posting fee, then they are welcome to have Darvish. as far as I’m concerned.
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Won’t get it done, I expect the Yankee bid to be much higher than that. I don’t understand the comment of throwing money away, your getting a player for that money, how does that become throwing money away?
Cash was pretty positive on Hughes last night on Hot Stove, he predicted 15+ wins this year. Hope he’s right.
Somebody will go ridiculous with their bid. I have no doubt about it.
It’s a blind bid and if you really want the player then you have to make sure you win the bid. Wouldn’t shock me at all to see the winning bid be 50 mil plus.
The Dice K bidding process has nothing to do with Yu Darvish considering Darvish is supposedly way better than Dice K ever was and he’s younger to boot.
Bottom line, if you want Yu you better make sure you have the highest bid.
You normally don’t operate like this…..but in addition to getting him for themselves the Yankees should be thinking about keeping Darvish away from Texas if they really believe that he’s legit.
Texas….not Boston may be their #1 competition to get to the WS over the next few years and the Yanks can essentially block them by just bidding aggressively……then they can negotiate hard to try and sign him to a contract they like.
There is gonna be serious competition for Darvish.
If the Yankees really want him they are gonna have to pony up.
The bid should be higher than what was offered for Dice-bb.
That’s a lot of Sushi.
We’ll see how wide the wallet is opened.
raymagnetic December 8th, 2011 at 7:36 am
Somebody will go ridiculous with their bid. I have no doubt about it.
It’s a blind bid and if you really want the player then you have to make sure you win the bid. Wouldn’t shock me at all to see the winning bid be 50 mil plus.
The Dice K bidding process has nothing to do with Yu Darvish considering Darvish is supposedly way better than Dice K ever was and he’s younger to boot.
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The tie to dice K atre the comments that it should fetch more than Dice K got for posting. I agree with your $50M as the floor bid, not something like $35M.
When do the bids have to be in by? When are the results announced?
Gary-
4 days.
Of course its not my money…..
MTU December 8th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Gary-
4 days.
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Is the winning bid announced at that time also? You would think the Yanks already have talked to this a nasua and have their number. I wonder how much they know about each others positions?
The blind bid process is crazy.
The Red Sox were something like 20 million over the next nearest bid for Matsuzaka.
And I can definitely see the Rangers doing the same – they have done nothing else this off-season.
I guess it’s up to 2 things: whether the Yankees truly believe Darvish will “translate” well to MLB (meaning, just because they’ve scouted him since 2008 doesn’t mean they like what they see for them); and whether, if they do believe he’s worth the risk, if they will go “crazy” with their bid.
And still, if they go crazy, it guarantees nothing because (a) someone might go crazier, and (b) they still have to negotiate a contract agreeable to both sides.
The Yankees are a generally “sane” organization, so I don’t expect them to win this bid.
And don’t forget the Cubs….
Blake-
The Yankees have scouted Darvish heavily for years. I’m sure they are interested.
The question is to what tune ?
I do not want the Antlers and Claws or the Jays to get him.
That is a ton of money for a prospect. let’s not forget that that is what he is.
Strasburg and Chapman weren’t even close in $$$.
Is he that much better ? To command that kind of a contract he would almost have to be the 2nd coming.
Like you said, it’s not our money.
JF must be having a panic attack wondering if we get him.
Gary December 8th, 2011 at 7:32 am
Ghostwriter December 8th, 2011 at 7:28 am
I would be pretty surprised if Cashman bid more than $35 million for Darvish. And I very much doubt that the winning bid will exceed $35 million (unless, of course, the Cubbies bid #52 million for him ). If the Sox (or anybody else) wants to throw away $40 miilion on the posting fee, then they are welcome to have Darvish. as far as I’m concerned.
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Won’t get it done, I expect the Yankee bid to be much higher than that. I don’t understand the comment of throwing money away, your getting a player for that money, how does that become throwing money away?
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It’s a very big bet for a very uncertain return. Darvish could wind up being anything from Igawa or Irabu to Nomo or Matsuzaka (maybe even better than them). With such a wide range of possible outcomes, Darvish is a very risky proposition. Putting large sums of money down on a longshot isn’t very prudent. (Has anybody even see this guy throw a Major League baseball?) I just don’t see Cashman making that bet–maybe Hal would do it but not Cashman. Signing Wilson is a much better bet than Darvish, and Cashman says he doesn’t like the price for Wilson.
Gary-
The winning bid will be announced in 4 days from the posting.
I believe the winning bidder has 30 days to work out a contract.
Wilson is going to the Halos IMO.
Forget him.
Villa Nova-Ya December 8th, 2011 at 7:44 am
The blind bid process is crazy.
The Red Sox were something like 20 million over the next nearest bid for Matsuzaka.
And I can definitely see the Rangers doing the same – they have done nothing else this off-season.
I guess it’s up to 2 things: whether the Yankees truly believe Darvish will “translate” well to MLB (meaning, just because they’ve scouted him since 2008 doesn’t mean they like what they see for them); and whether, if they do believe he’s worth the risk, if they will go “crazy” with their bid.
And still, if they go crazy, it guarantees nothing because (a) someone might go crazier, and (b) they still have to negotiate a contract agreeable to both sides.
The Yankees are a generally “sane” organization, so I don’t expect them to win this bid.
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Villa, I expect them to win the bid. I guess my reason isn’t highly scientific, they are the Yankees and the Yanks usually always prevail when they want somebody. It wasn’t true of Cliff Lee, but that was different, it came down to personal feeling, not so much about the money and that was a negotiation vrs this sealed bid. I guess we will know pretty soon, one of the benefits of the process it doesn’t drag on.
MTU,
I just don’t know enough about him to really intelligently comment on what he is……all we can do is trust the Yankee scouts.
I do know that if he’s the real deal…..and Feliz worked out…..then the Rangers could suddenly have a nice little staff to go along with everything else. Holland has #1 upside.
Rangers don’t have the money. If they did, they would have signed CJ Wilson, who is more of a proven commodity for them, instead of letting him go to the Angels or elsewhere.
Bluejays are not spending $40 million in a posting fee. They also do not have the money.
Sox need a closer, a RF, and at least one more starter. They are close to the salary cap with Ortiz accepting arbitration. Unlikely.
Cash and Arn Tellum can deal with each other. I am sure Yu has come up in conversation, especially at the winter meetings.
Here’s a thought. Are the Yankees allowed to trade the shortstop they just won the posting fee on back to Japan in a deal for Yu? That would be a really creative use of the posting process.
I think the Yankees win the bid at about $25 million, and sign Yu to a 5-6 year deal at about $8 million per season.
I don’t think the money should matter on this one. If they want him, go get him. Figure out the Rangers payroll flexibility and make sure to one up them.
Why do the Angels want Wilson so bad? I guess to replace Santana and Haren ……but that really doesn’t address their needs. They can’t hit……and I don’t buy them being in on Pujols at all.
Blake-
JF is the resident expert on twirling Darvish.
Personally, I would never spend that kind of bread on this guy but it ain’t my money.
It’s one hell of risk considering the track record for Japanese pitchers.
Maybe he would be the exception.
It’s a very big bet for a very uncertain return. Darvish could wind up being anything from Igawa or Irabu to Nomo or Matsuzaka (maybe even better than them). With such a wide range of possible outcomes, Darvish is a very risky proposition. Putting large sums of money down on a longshot isn’t very prudent. (Has anybody even see this guy throw a Major League baseball?) I just don’t see Cashman making that bet–maybe Hal would do it but not Cashman. Signing Wilson is a much better bet than Darvish, and Cashman says he doesn’t like the price for Wilson.
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I understand your points, but it’s the glass half empty vrs the glass half full. Baseball people are risk takers everyday, Darvish isn’t any different then the other guys you mention with respect to that. Yanks have been watching this guy since 2008, they have seen an awful lot of pitches from this guy. I don’t agree that Wilson is a much better bet, 2 years as a starter, Swisher like in the postseason, 31 years old I think.
I’m still hoping the WS come down on Danks, or that Beano will be more reasonable on GG.
“Rangers don’t have the money. If they did, they would have signed CJ Wilson, who is more of a proven commodity for them, instead of letting him go to the Angels or elsewhere”
Or they just don’t see him as that type pitcher…….they had the money for Lee last year.
blake December 8th, 2011 at 7:58 am
“Rangers don’t have the money. If they did, they would have signed CJ Wilson, who is more of a proven commodity for them, instead of letting him go to the Angels or elsewhere”
Or they just don’t see him as that type pitcher…….they had the money for Lee last year.
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Yeah, bingo. Daniels has been a good judge of talent so far, would you be surprised if he’s right about Darvish too?
good morning all
one word…Garza…
I think Wilson lost a few important games for the Rangers, and I’m not sure they believe in him long-term for the money, so that’s why they’re only lukewarm “in” on him. They know him better than anyone. My opinion, FWIW.
MTU,
I think the price will.come down on Danks…..just don’t know if it will far enough for Cash.
Prepare for 24 x 7 Darvish talk until the winner is known.
And I doubt seriously the price comes down on Gio……Beane has a lot more time with him than KW has with Danks. If Gio went out and had a good first half and showed improvement in his command then he coukd bring potentially even more than now if a team saw him as a difference maker …….he’s got more time to shop him for what he wants.
upstate kate December 8th, 2011 at 8:01 am
good morning all
one word…Garza…
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Morning Kate, might be plan B now. I think the focus is all about Yu. If they don’t get him then they will look back at the other alternatives. I kind of think that a number of people are collectivily holding their breaths now on the Darvish announcement. They were all playing the game, teams and players expecting the Yanks to come in at some pointand meet their demands. If the Yanks do go after Yu and get him then it sure changes the dynamic out there. Maybe getting Yu increases the probability of getting yet another arm through a reasonable trade as Brian says so often.
Blake-
We’ll see. I prefer a lefty.
MTU December 8th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Prepare for 24 x 7 Darvish talk until the winner is known.
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Buy at least it’s only 4 days
I remember the ongoing day after day of Cliff Lee. 
Logic would suggest that the posting bids for Yu would not match the winning bid for Dice-K as teams realize how huge a mistake that was on the Red Sux part.
I have to believe there are only a handful of teams that can really even afford to be involved in the process at any realistic level in the current economy so that should make it a little easier to judge.
The Rangers are the definite wildcard as they are flush with cash from the tv deal as well deep pocketed owners and seem to want to play big right now.
If the Yanks want him they may have to play it safe and bid the 50mm. Ouch! I would hope that they would still be commited to Cespedes as well as the new cba will change the rules going forward and make it more difficult for us to flex our financial muscle.
The marlins should be major players for Cespedes as their CF opening up a new stadium in Little Havana ( Duh!) to go along with Prince Fielder…
Reyes
Bonafacio/Coughlan
Hanley
Prince
Stanton
Cespedes
Morrison
C
SP
pretty sick lineup…
blake-
I’m not greedy.
Danks and Darvish has a nice “ring” to it.
Along with an AJ disappearance.
A feller can always dream, right ?
I think we are gonna come up with Soler as well.
Yankees with the big curveball strategy for this OS.
Darvish, Soler, and Naky.
Interesting.
Buster Olney
Folks in lobby wondering if any team w/established 1Bman is trying to set up for Pujols deal. Answer on the Yankees, not surprisingly: No.
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This one may well go to the Tweeting For the Sake of Tweeting Hall of Fame on the 1st ballot.
PittsburghYankeeFan December 8th, 2011 at 7:55 am
I think the Yankees win the bid at about $25 million, and sign Yu to a 5-6 year deal at about $8 million per season.
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I think his salary now in Japan is already $10 million. At $8 million he is taking a 20% haircut.
Ken_Rosenthal Valentine likely knows Darvish as well as anyone working for an MLB club
CJNitkowski Trey Hillman (LAD) was his manager for 3 years!
champ809 December 8th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Logic would suggest that the posting bids for Yu would not match the winning bid for Dice-K as teams realize how huge a mistake that was on the Red Sux part.
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Just a sidebar on Dice K, before he got injured he was 33-15 in his first 2 years and 4 wins 1 loss in the post season. He pitched to an ERA of 2.9 in 2008 when he went 18-3. I don’t think it is so much about the fact that the guy could not pitch here, but his ability to stay healthy. I don’t know that comparison holds well for Yu or any other pitcher. Lots of pitchers get hurt, look at Wang as a good example and then their career goes in the toliet. Baseball people are risk takers, who knows when these guys are going to go out there and blowup. Look at Joba he goes out to pitch and the next thing he’s at a top specialist for Tommy John.
A good comparison is that he does not have a bigger arm than either Strasburg or Chapman.
I think we could be looking at the perfect strom, Part II (Part I being 2008 when we signed CC, AJ, and then dropped the hammer on the baseball world by signing Tex).
This time we win posting bid for Yu Darvish, trade AJ which allows Yu to assume his salary slot in the rotation, and then complete the trifecta by acquiring Gio Gonzalez.
Now that would make for a very nice day and gives the Yankees a powerhouse starting rotation.
But Dice-K also walked a lot of guys and threw a lot of pitches. He was definitely a Houdini in 2008.
Guys got on base, but he didn’t allow them to score. The pitches thrown eventually catches up. Plus it looks like Dice-K didn’t have a great regimen for staying in shape.
I hope Albert stays with the Cardinals.
It is where he belongs.
But I think ultimately you have to judge each pitcher on his own merits, while taking into account the general differences between Japanese baseball and MLB.
VN-
The track record for Japanese starters is dismal.
The Red Sox certainly didn’t think they were signing a 5 inning pitcher for 100+mm when they signed him.
he wasn’t a complete bust but he certainly was an overpay
Of course Darvish is half Iranian so that changes things.
I hope Albert stays with the Cardinals.
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I think he will. He’s just trying to use FA leverage to bleed every last dollar he can out of the Cards.
MTU,
Darvish and Danks would be very much awesome. Hughes as your #5 with all star upside…..greed is good.
KW has to get real though first and they would have to find a taker for AJ and probably Garcia as well to do that.
Villa Nova-Ya December 8th, 2011 at 8:24 am
But Dice-K also walked a lot of guys and threw a lot of pitches. He was definitely a Houdini in 2008.
Guys got on base, but he didn’t allow them to score. The pitches thrown eventually catches up. Plus it looks like Dice-K didn’t have a great regimen for staying in shape.
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Agree, it was winning ugly sometimes but still winning. He wasn’t a power blow them away pitcher, but one of those get it to the 7th so the bullpen can take over. Seems like that’s the norm right now, lots of guys leave a small village on base, but they never seem to score. I might have seen the Yanks once or twice leave a ton of runners on base but not win the game.
MTU -
That may be true, and perhaps the Yankees don’t enter into the fray here at all because of it? I don’t know.
It would be nice if the guy would at least start the season in AAA, to become accustomed to the ball, etc.
blake December 8th, 2011 at 8:29 am
MTU,
Darvish and Danks would be very much awesome. Hughes as your #5 with all star upside…..greed is good.
KW has to get real though first and they would have to find a taker for AJ and probably Garcia as well to do that.
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I said earlier that if the Yanks gets Darvish it bring trades down to more reasonable levels. Do you agree?
Albert isn’t going anywhere…..he played the Marlins and now his agent is playing mystery teams…..he will sign with St. Louis and probably hamstring them for the next 10 years.
good morning all
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Morning Kate. How are Yu doing?
Barring injury, C.C., Nova, and Garcia are givens. Hughes is the nearest thing to it. Noesi is showing his potential.
Whether Darvish is signed or Cashman does a deal with a non tendered pitcher after next Monday, where does Burnett fit ? The bullpen can’t use him even as a long reliever.
Cashman has said more than once that he wants to make a deal for Burnett to clear space. It just might be high on his list of priorities. He knows that Warren, Phelps, and Mitchell are near ready.
And then there 2013 when Betances and Banuelos have a full season of AAA under their belts.
Dice K had his gyro ball, the pitch to end all pitches, not sure I ever saw that devistating pitch, but he may have been saving it for just the right moment………………………..
“I said earlier that if the Yanks gets Darvish it bring trades down to more reasonable levels. Do you agree?”
That’s tough to gauge……maybe a little but with Gio and Garza there is no rush to deal them so I don’t know his much they’ll come down. I except the price on Danks to drop though.
LGY-
Kate has a case of Garza this AM.
Yeah, I think the Red Sox thought they were getting the guy with 6-plus pitches who no one would ever figure out and paid him as such.
I think Matsuzaka is a cautionary tale – no one was as highly hyped and he ultimately disappointed in a large way.
Perhaps because of this, the bidding does NOT go all that high – except for the ONE CRAZY TEAM!
108 stitches December 8th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Barring injury, C.C., Nova, and Garcia are givens. Hughes is the nearest thing to it. Noesi is showing his potential.
Whether Darvish is signed or Cashman does a deal with a non tendered pitcher after next Monday, where does Burnett fit ? The bullpen can’t use him even as a long reliever.
Cashman has said more than once that he wants to make a deal for Burnett to clear space. It just might be high on his list of priorities. He knows that Warren, Phelps, and Mitchell are near ready.
And then there 2013 when Betances and Banuelos have a full season of AAA under their belts.
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If they get Yu then maybe AJ becomes the piece of a trade for another front line player that makes it possible.
Whether Darvish is signed or Cashman does a deal with a non tendered pitcher after next Monday, where does Burnett fit ?
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Minute Cashman agrees to absorb $20M-$22M of Burnett’s salary and take minor league roster filler in return, there will be a place for him.
Sox will not be real players for Darvish no matter how much Bobby gushes over him. They have multiple issues including no bullpen. Their payroll is already inflated. They are not going to dish out another chunk of cash for the risk that he implodes and then not spend on all their other needs. He could be a stud even, but without a bullpen they will lose plenty of those games and be sitting home in October again.
LGY
does a saber guy celebrate Yu w/ bacon or sushi?
“Minute Cashman agrees to absorb $20M-$22M of Burnett’s salary and take minor league roster filler in return, there will be a place for him.”
Done….next order of business. Where is that list if LOOGYS again?
Matsusaka-$51,111,111.11 winning bid. Took full 30 days to sign him to a 52M contract with 8M in incentives.
There is a lot to like about Darvish-tall, speaks English, has aunt and uncles in the states, good assortment of pitches and is young.
However the seams are higher on the ball which allows him to throw a more effective curveball. He made 6M last year and will probably command 10M/year minimum to equate to a better contract than Matsusaka.
I’d be excited if the Yankees got him, but it’s not my money. At worst, the Yankees win the bid, fail to come to a contract agreement and he returns to Japan.
Ok, Yu don’t know what Yu don’t know
YT-
I like Nunez + for Prado and Venters.
LGY does a saber guy celebrate Yu w/ bacon or sushi?
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Bacon wrapped sushi of course.
No Yu turns on Darvish please.
Coming of the apocalypse 49 degrees here this morning in SW Fla
Im very interested to see how new GM cherington handles this offseason……will he jump right in and push the payroll upwards to go for it again next year? Or will they try to go cheap and stay under the tax threshold?
They have a lot of talent on that team but right now they aren’t good enough…..they have the same issues with depth as last year but only worse in the rotation and bullpen……they could play Kalish in RF and fill there but they don’t have enough pitching and have no minor league depth to back it up…..
Gary-
Time to go Cod fishing.
That will teach you to brag.
Blake-
Cherry boy does not control much of anything especially the Sux purse strings.
MTU December 8th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Gary-
Time to go Cod fishing.
That will teach you to brag.
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MTU, actually I’m Pis##ed. We were going out offshore today, but had to call it off to due to cold and wind after the front went through last night. Now my wife will want to go Christamas shopping or out to lunch.
Well Jerkface and LGY must be in heaven with this news…..Are the Yanks really going to invest 140 million dollars in this guy…..I’ve watched endless amounts of video of him and he does have great stuff, outstanding mechanics….But will all of this translate to the Bigs ?????
Gary-
Women and shopping is a dangerous combination.
Pat M.-
That is the 64 million Yen question.
Is he worth more than Strasburg or Chapman ?
.Are the Yanks really going to invest 140 million dollars in this guy
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140? Yu are over estimating the total outlay.
Then again Darvish would be a phenomenon.
Think of the merchandising sales and the effect it would have in the far East.
I’m sure dorks like Levine have factored that in.
MTU December 8th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Then again Darvish would be a phenomenon.
Think of the merchandising sales and the effect it would have in the far East.
I’m sure dorks like Levine have factored that in.
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Yu would have to believe that.
“I like Nunez + for Prado and Venters.”
Yea I guess you do
Gary December 8th, 2011 at 8:52 am
MTU December 8th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Then again Darvish would be a phenomenon.
Think of the merchandising sales and the effect it would have in the far East.
I’m sure dorks like Levine have factored that in.
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Yu would have to believe that.
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Yu also have to believe that the locals hotels will be running full speed prepping their Japanese tourist and Media baseball packages.
gary-
Yeah. I figure Levine wet his pants over that one.
Yu all have a nice day, off to find some Jeans to put on.
The total payout for Darvish Id guess will be somewhere between 100-120 million……around 50 for the posting and then 50-70 for the contract……I think you’ll have to beat Dice Ks deal to sign him.
Blake-
I think Yu are on target.
MTU….He’s going to cost more than Dice K….A lot more on both ends……
GB7 -
My guess is $58M, and the Yankees don’t have their names on the uniform, so Yu will not have to ask permission to have his first name on uni.
Pat M.-
I have little doubt of that.
Happy Holidays to you and your Family.
There’s a new thread —>
MTU….Merry Christmas and a very Happy Holiday to you and yours….Off to the gym…Later guys
You want to start thinking twice about Darvish?
check out his website a bit darvish-yu.jp
He is selling little love heart pendents, earings, tot bags, perfume with roses in the original goods section
Looking at the site in the past he looks like a bit of a pretty boy with an ego. So yes, different culture, but oh boy.
I like that talent, but definitely don’t want a premadonna
I had my furnace cleaned & fixed last week.
The man doing the work needed an outlet to plug his light into,so he unplugged my sub-pump.
I went to do a wash this morning & walked down my stairs to my basement,and took a step after the last step & fell into a foot of water.
Thank goodness my basement is not finished & my furnace is working.
I plugged in my sub-pump & thewater is almost gone.
It pumps thewater through a pipe that goes through my basement wall & under my lawn,a few feet.
The water flows across my lawn,into my neighbors driveway,then into thestreet,going downhill to the next sewer.
I wen’t to get a coffee a few minutes ago,and saw a river of water flowing across my lawn,through my neighbors driveway,and the river continues all the way to that sewer,and i am saying to myself,that water was all in my basement.
We had a lot of rain here in ct.