The official moves of the winter meetings
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2011 
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At the end of the Rule 5 draft, Major League Baseball sent a list of all the official transactions that took place during this week’s Winter Meetings. It includes only official moves, not stuff like the Albert Pujols signing, that was done during the meetings but not officially announced.
MONDAY, DECEMBER 5th
Minnesota Twins – Claimed SS Pedro Florimon, Jr. off waivers from the Baltimore Orioles. Acquired a player to be named later from the Colorado Rockies in exchange for RHP Kevin Slowey.
Colorado Rockies – Acquired RHP Kevin Slowey from the Minnesota Twins in exchange for a player to be named later. Claimed OF Jamie Hoffmann off waivers from the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Los Angeles Dodgers – Signed free agent LHP Chris Capuano to a two-year contract. Signed free agent INF Jerry Hairston, Jr. to a two-year contract.
Miami Marlins – Signed free agent RHP Heath Bell to a three-year contract.
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 6th
Arizona Diamondbacks – Signed free agent RHP Joe Martinez to a one-year contract. Chicago White Sox – Acquired RHP Nestor Molina from the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for RHP Sergio Santos.
New York Mets – Acquired OF Andres Torres and RHP Ramon Ramirez from the San Francisco Giants in exchange for OF Angel Pagan.
San Francisco Giants – Acquired OF Angel Pagan from the New York Mets in exchange for OF Andres Torres and RHP Ramon Ramirez.
Toronto Blue Jays – Acquired RHP Sergio Santos from the Chicago White Sox in exchange for RHP Nestor Molina.
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 7th
Cleveland Indians – Signed free agent OF Grady Sizemore to a one-year contract. Designated RHP Hector Rondon for assignment.
Colorado Rockies – Acquired a player to be named later from the San Diego Padres in exchange for RHP Huston Street.
Kansas City Royals – Acquired SS Diego Goris and RHP Brooks Pounders from the Pittsburgh Pirates in exchange for SS Yamaico Navarro.
Miami Marlins – Signed free agent SS Jose Reyes to a six-year contract.
Pittsburgh Pirates – Acquired SS Yamaico Navarro from the Kansas City Royals in exchange for SS Diego Goris and RHP Brooks Pounders. Designated C Jason Jaramillo for assignment. Released RHP Ross Ohlendorf.
San Diego Padres – Acquired RHP Huston Street from the Colorado Rockies in exchange for a player to be named later. Designated OF Jeremy Hermida for assignment.
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 8th
New York Yankees – Released OF Greg Golson.
Toronto Blue Jays – Designated C Brian Jeroloman for assignment.
Major League Rule 5 draft selections
1. RHP Rhiner Cruz
To Astros, from Mets
2. RHP John Doyle
To Twins, from White Sox
3. Lucas Luetge
To Mariners, from Brewers
4. 2B Ryan Flaherty
To Orioles, from Cubs
5. LHP Cesar Cabral
To Royals, from Red Sox (traded to Yankees)
6. RHP Lendy Castillo
To Cubs, from Phillies
7. SS Gustavo Nunez
To Pirates, from Tigers
8. LHP Robert Fish
To Braves, from Angels
9. Erik Komatsu
To Cardinals, from Nationals
10. 3B Marwin Gonzalez
To Red Sox, from Cubs
11. RHP Brett Lorin
To Diamondbacks, from Pirates
12. RHP Brad Meyers
To Yankees, from Nationals
lol, funny how my Darvish nude post got out of hand (no pun intended!).
For the record, I read that Darvish was not 100% nude (visible), he had his “bits” strategically covered. So I don’t think it’s a big deal. At least he was not kissing himself in a mirror, ha ha.
And I only posted that as one example of how I don’t think he’s some shy guy who would be devastated by the American press.
Blake,
Jordan won six titles with Cartgwright, Will perdue and Luc Longley as his center. He also had Armstrong/kerr and paxon as his PG. ‘s
Benny,
That was Jordan though…..
Hahaha. Mark Cuban was one of the most vocal owners in getting Stern to block the trade. Guy is nothing if not committed.
Owners are pissed that The LA Lakers announced their 5 billion 25 year local tv deal a few days after the lockout ended……
Roethlisberger out of the game in the 2nd quarter with an ankle injury. helped to the dressing room.
This is seriously f’d up and I’m not even a Lakers fan How do you let the trade progress like this and then step in at the last minute? They had months during the lockout to discuss how to handle when Paul inevitably asked to be traded from the league owned Hornets.
I was actually getting excited to see the black mamba and CP3 play together.
So how can the league now justify trading Paul ANYWHERE? The offer from the Lakers was decent, probably about as good as possible for a guy who isn’t going to sign an extension officially.
There is already talk that the Celtics are back in play… the league can’t nix the Lakers deal and then turn around and give him to the Celtics, can they? Certainly not the Knicks unfortunately.
And if he’s stuck in NO for the year, he is certainly reaching FA which means the Knicks now have to decide if they want to back out of Chandler. Fascinating stuff.
The owners had to be fuming though, the second that the CBA was reached, all the talk was about all the big market teams going for Deron, Dwight, CP3, Chandler, all the role players, etc. Why did the owners even lock the players out for 6 months if things would just be status quo when the lockout ended and there was still the pronounced big vs. small market divide?
Stern is in a tough spot. He wants the big markets to succeed for the ratings, revenue, overall popularity, etc. but he has to look out for the small markets and he owners who he works for.
There are going to be some unhappy players headed to training camp tomorrow.
“Stern is in a tough spot. He wants the big markets to succeed for the ratings, revenue, overall popularity, etc. but he has to look out for the small markets and he owners who he works for.”
thus is life in a sport with no real minor leagues and no real player development process…….everyone knows who the good players are and it’s just a musical chairs situation to get them together on teams.
Yanks win AL East in 2012. None of the other teams has improved to take the AL East Champs down. The key is Jesus. He is a game changer imo. If he’s hot in October, WS here we come!
Sox are done without Paps. Good luck with that bull pen lol.
Sox will be fine. Aceves can start and close. This is his moment.
Aceves can start, close and sell beer and hot dogs too!
He is a game changer imo
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ya thinK?
@WojYahooNBA
League source on killed deal: “…(Stern) wasn’t going to let Chris Paul dictate where he wanted to go.”
sell beer and hot dogs too!
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The hot dogs will probably disintegrate in Ace’s hands with the way that guy sweats.
@RealLamarOdom LAMAR ODOM
When a team trades u and it doesn’t go down? Now what?
Mariner nation not feeling so great right now.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....marin.html
And if you believe Fielder brings you closer to a winning team, then that has to be factored in to any analysis. And if you don’t believe this team can contend within the next two years, that’s OK. Doesn’t make you “dumb”. You may even be “smarter” than the rest of us. But then, you have to tell us what your plan is for Felix Hernandez, who will be nearly a $20-million pitcher this coming season.
You can’t have it both ways. That isn’t “smart”. That’s just being overly conservative. To the point where it may harm your team.
Because having a staff ace making $20 million for an 80-win team is not “smart” when you can deal him for four or five players this second and watch them grow until they can help you whenever that window arrives.
But whichever way you go, the time for skittishness is done.
This Pujols signing has to be a wakeup call.
The Mariners are not the Orioles or Blue Jays just yet. But “staying the course” right now could lead to an eight-or-10-year, Toronto-style rebuilding plan just as easily as it could bring any success.
“When a team trades u and it doesn’t go down? Now what?”
It’s kind of like when things don’t work out with a Kardashian. Move on to the next one.
@YankeeSource
Rumblings here that Kuroda may be signed by the Yankees. Not confirmed.
“Mariner nation not feeling so great right now.”
Have all 30 of the Jack Z entourage gotten back to Seattle yet?
Did they do anything at the meetings? Must have been an intense Rule 5 War Room.
“Rumblings here that Kuroda may be signed by the Yankees. Not confirmed.”
A buddy for Yu!
Sushi and sapporo parties in the clubhouse?
At least it’s more classy than fried chicken and bud light.
If the Yankees sign Kuroda it suggests 2 things……1)Cashman hates the trade market and doesn’t see it changing 2) AJ is getting traded.
@YankeeSource
I literally laughed out loud when I heard about Joel Sherman’s theory on Nakajima’s urge to play for Boston. #madenosense
Everybody wants to play for Boston….who doesn’t like fried chicken and beer?
That was just a rally sake.
If The Mariners were to listen to trade offers for Felix, what kind of package do you think Cashman would open up with to start the conversation ??? The price tag would be sticker shock I have to think…..
Montero, Betances, Nunez?
Build a package around Nakajima.
I go out for a couple of hours, and I get home to some shocking news. Gotta tell you, Pat M., I feel relief.
This is not a protect the Hornets kind of decision. If anything, it was good for them knowing that CP3 was good as gone.
So, he can only go to the Mavs or a sucky team?
Pat M, gotta say I feel relief.
“If The Mariners were to listen to trade offers for Felix, what kind of package do you think Cashman would open up with to start the conversation ??? ”
Probably more than some Lohudders would approve of…..maybe more than I would approve of. Probably would take Montero, Betances, Banuelos and more given the competition there would be for him.
That rumbling is nothing more than gas. Just like Loser and his “inside info”, nobody has come close to hearing those rumblings.
I would not trade montero,betances,and banuelos for king felix now.
That rumbling is nothing more than gas. Just like Loser and his “inside info”, nobody has come close to hearing those rumblings.
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That’s because he’s a scout in Japan. He usually has good info about stuff going on over there. Don’t get why you get so worked up everytime someone shares some info.
“I would not trade montero,betances,and banuelos for king felix now.”
I would trade any 4 not named Montero for Felix…….I just really don’t want to trade him at all.
Man, it would be painful to give up Montero for Felix at this point. Thank God I’m not the GM.
I would think if Cashman had a realistic shot at Felix his primary goal would be to keep Banuelos out of it b/c it would have to include Montero.
YankeeSource Yankees
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@Rickinator555 @nyybrandonc I don’t want to become incarceratedbob so I’ll let things be until I find out more. Nothing is done as of yet.
1 minute ago
“I would think if Cashman had a realistic shot at Felix his primary goal would be to keep Banuelos out of it b/c it would have to include Montero.”
That’s probably true….but I would prefer the opposite as much as I love Manny B.
The Yankees might get someone they’ve been linked to in the past? Its farts!! Now where is Edwin Jackson???
Yankees going for the full security blanket for Darvish.
Don’t know why you get so upset when I don’t believe your BS secret info.
@YankeeSource
@nyybrandonc Honestly it could be one of those rumors, a few baseball people here (from Carp) said it so that’s why I took it seriously.
@YankeeSource
@nyybrandonc The Hiroshima Carp scouts said the Yankees were negotiating with his agent (made a good offer). Carp also like Kuroda a lot.
@YankeeSource
@nyybrandonc Somewhat, they usually don’t talk unless there is something to talk about. So it’s probably true Yankees made an offer.
I would want to keep Manny B also…..GB, who is this person who has you so ticked off ????
Oh I’d want to keep Manny B too….but you aint getting Felix without it hurtin a lot…..maybe hurtin more than it’s worth
Pat, not ticked off. just don’t have any use for bogus info being spread.
Reynolds did a projected lineup for the Angels next year…..it’s still kinda eh even with Albert…..he’s unreal but the rest still isn’t all that great……however they won’t need to score a ton most nights with that rotation depth.
Yankees first homestand of 2012 is against……the LA Pujols’s !
blake…..CC & Felix , think Johnson & Schillling
“blake…..CC & Felix , think Johnson & Schillling”
yea I know I know…..if they do shop him at some point (and they really should because they aren’t winning in that division anytime soon) I’m glad I don’t have to make the decision of how far to go for him.
If the Yankees got Nakajima, Darvish, and Kuroda all in one offseason would Face’s head explode?
Angels would have been a lot better using that Pujols money on a third baseman and a better closer than what they have and still had a few bushels of dollars left over. Until they get over those two corner outfield contracts, they’re going to be hamstrung.
I’d pop a bottle of plum wine.
without the Wells trade the Angels would still have Napoli and would have more than enough cash to pursue Aramis and whatever else they needed…….Dipoto probably wishes he had gotten the job a year sooner.
I will have a ramen dinner for each Japanese player we sign.
Maybe two for Yu.
Pat
What do you think of the Knicks signing Tyson Chandler?
Giving some gas to the Kuroda rumor from a favorite Japanese rumor site:
12/9/2011: Hideki Matsui, Hiroki Kuroda, Koji Uehara
by Gen on Dec.09, 2011 @ 11:21 am, under MLB
Nikkan Sports mentions that the Baltimore Orioles may be interested in Hideki Matsui.
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Sponichi mentions that the New York Yankees offered Hiroki Kuroda an offer said to be worth around US$12M year.
http://yakyubaka.com/tag/hiroki-kuroda/
if the marlins had given Albert the no trade you have to wonder if he would have gone there? I’m still kinda surprised he didn’t given the 20 million more dollars, the tax situation, and the geography………27.5 million a year is pretty much all the no trade clause you need.
“.GB, who is this person who has you so ticked off ????”
pat m-
how can you tell when gb7 is ticked off?
he’s always ticked off.
of course anyone who spells as bad as he does probably gets frustrated with all this typing.
KURODA!
Thanks for the info Trader.
how do you find this stuff Trader?
The Yankees don’t need another costly, aging right hander. They didn’t do much this winter (so far) because there was nothing worth the cost. Wilson is shooting his mouth off because the Yankees and other big moneied teams didn’t chase him. The only reason he wanted the Yanks involved was to keep driving the price. If he wanted NY so bad, he and his agent wouldn’t have spewed out the terms they wanted from NY. He isn’t a $15-$18 mil a year pitcher.
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Maybe Albert just didn’t want to wear Baseketball uniforms.
well i just learned quotes in japanese come out as question marks.
He isn’t a $15-$18 mil a year pitcher.
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But Burnett and Lackey are?
If CJ pitches like he did the last two years he is well worth that AAV. The problem with him was always the years.
Keep on raging.
LGY-
Last I read the Diamondbacks were actively pursuing Kuroda and were planning to fly him out to Phoenix. There was a rumor of Kuroda wanting a player option on a 2nd year.
I’ll have to call P or whatever that psansts name was to verify
Blake-
I’m the Prophet, remember.
Try to google yakyubakaYu Darvish when you want the latest on him, or Hiroki Kuroda for his latest, etc
I still think the Rangers are playing possum on Fielder…..
Hey Stupid…I never said they were $15-18 Mil a year pitchers. NY has Burnett for two years at the most. Why get back into the same situation with Wilson?
well i just learned quotes in japanese come out as question marks.
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I learned that a few days ago- No matter I still don’t understand Japanese.
LGY…..Knicks, best front court in basketball, they need help in the back court……Kuroda for one season will work…..He’s a fine pitcher, like him much more than Freddy….Tin Cup, the old boy just seemed a little more cranky tonight….
You guys are too much. having a good laugh right before calling it quits for the night.
Maybe the Yankees delay their super-secret bid until the last possible moment, hoping to get something done with Kuroda? He would be the perfect stop-gap.
Pat
Yeah. They need to get a PG. I assume they have something lined up to obtain one once the Chandler deal goes through. If it’s a trade, I just hope they hold onto Fields.
“I learned that a few days ago- No matter I still don’t understand Japanese”
the only japanese i know is from nettles saying that sparky lyle went “from Cy Young to sayonara “.
Blake-
I think Pujols took the Angels offer so that he could spend the latter years as a DH. Any word on the exact breakdown of the contract?
Fielder if guaranteed to play 1B might come to AL, but my guess is the Cubs or surprisingly the Cardinals
night Yu guys
“I think Pujols took the Angels offer so that he could spend the latter years as a DH. Any word on the exact breakdown of the contract?”
maybe….I don’t think the details of the contract have been released yet. I think Fielder makes a ton of sense for the Rangers……he’d be a 50 homer threat in that ballpark and he’d also give them leverage against Hamilton next winter…..
night
Night all and yu too Blake.
Pat,
don’t see the reason to be drooling over every hooker in spikes walking down the street. It’s time to let the kids play and see what they do. They won the division by a lot and nobody improved to top them. NYY starts next year with a healthy Rodriguez and Hughes and only lost Colon (so far) as a significant piece. Boston gets back a healthy Youkilis and Buchholz. They lose the “heart and soul” of the team in Veritek and Wakefield. Maybe unloading them will make up the 8 game difference.
The Yanks don’t need every team’s star. they have some impressive players on the way. Keep in mind that the Yanks didn’t start getting serious about the farm until about 4 years ago. They’re just no getting ready to start producing. Not all of them, but, the ones that are going to be important down the road. Pitching, catchers. The next wave includes strength up the middle.
i agree with gb7
the league is so diluted the yankees don’t need to do much to stay ahead of everyone else.
why not go with their own players until some team proves to them that they need to spend big ?
lay in the weeds with a whole lot of cash.
Signing Kuroda would make me suspect they aren’t going after Yu (not because they are both Japanese). And I think Kuroda becomes a 4+ ERA pitcher in the AL East.
Kuroda’s stats were pretty similar to Matt Cain’s last year pitching in the same division…
Kuroda makes a lot of sense for a one year contract. What the Yankees need is a time frame to sort out what they have in the young pitching. The TD is there as a backup. There’s the old axiom – Use em or lose em.
And it’s not like Kuroda is so old soft tosser.
His average fastball was 92 MPH. He’s old but he still has a lot of juice in that arm.
His average fastball was 92 MPH. He’s old but he still has a lot of juice in that arm.
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That would make his FB beter than AJ and Hughes, no?
I’m not saying he sucks, but I’ll stick with my prediction. I’d rather have him than AJ, and for 1 or 2 years it’s not a big deal, I’m just not that excited about him. I don’t think he’s a clear “#2″ on the Yankees if that’s what you are looking for.
jacksquat…….I must have seen Kuroda pitch at least 12 games last season and the guy has above average stuff and knows how to pitch…..If this proves to be true about him coming to The Bronx it seems to me that either Burnett is gone or they have no intention of laying out 100 = plus million for Yu…..GB, I think Cashman is looking to buy a year until the 2 B boys are that much closer……Now it’s time to upgrade the outfield…..
verducci is an idiot. Sucking up to Wilson and talking about his “long, great history” with the Rangers. The guy was a 23rd or 24th man on the team as a bullpenner for 5 years. He’s been a starter for 2 years. That’s not exactly long and great.
That would make his FB beter than AJ and Hughes, no?
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About the same. All three are between 92-93. Well at least Hughes was in 2010. Not so much in 2011.
By the way, is there any truth to the Kuroda thing ???? I by passed some of the posts so I really don’t know……
LGY….I also hope The Knicks hold on to Fields as well……
@YahooSportsNBA
Cavs owner Dan Gilbert called the Lakers’ trade for Chris Paul a “travesty” in email to David Stern. Complete email: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/ne.....ade_120811
Pat, it’s the outfield that’s really thin and that’s where the money needs to go. There are two Cuban outfielders that, if one hits, it settles a spot in one of the corners for a few years until they find out whether Mason Williams is ready (if he is), along with a couple of others. again, not all are going to stick, but at least a couple should. It’s also time to start repositioning some of these excess catchers like Murphy or moving either Joseph or adams to the outfield. 2nd base is occupied right now and neither plays shortstop and are not that good at third. Move ‘em or trade ‘em. Third base has 2 young kids in Bichette and Tyler Austin. Like Rob Segedin’s bat, but, ugly defense at 1st and 3rd. Playing pretty well in left field with a strong accurate arm, but, most likely trade fodder.
An executive who knows Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine says he’s very high on Japanese shortstop Hiroyuki Nakajima, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Sherman’s source expects Nakajima to reject the Yankees’ attempts to sign him, play in Japan for 2012, and sign with the Red Sox as a free agent.
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Via mlbtr.
If the Sox wanted him so badly (do they?), they couldn’t outbid $2M? That’s a strange rumor to be floating around, 1 day after the bid was accepted.
Pat
A Japanese baseball website linked by Yankee Trader is reporting the Yankees offered Kuroda a 1 year 12M deal.
And a scout who works in Japan said he heard the Yanks made an offer.
LGY,
It would have been a travesty. Lakers should be thanking Stern and his band of crybaby owners right now.
Dr. Buss is in the hospital, and they wah, wah, wah. Weak.
Marc Carig’s Star-Ledger piece on the Yanks outlook on Darvish and other off-season things.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....witterfeed
Pat M. December 9th, 2011 at 12:24 am
jacksquat…….I must have seen Kuroda pitch at least 12 games last season and the guy has above average stuff and knows how to pitch…..If this proves to be true about him coming to The Bronx it seems to me that either Burnett is gone or they have no intention of laying out 100 = plus million for Yu…..GB, I think Cashman is looking to buy a year until the 2 B boys are that much closer……Now it’s time to upgrade the outfield…..
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I’ll take your word for it, but I still wouldn’t be surprised if his ERA is 4ish. That’s not bad and I’m not opposed to 1 year 12m other than it probably means no Yu. Maybe they are positioning themselves to go large on Hamels next year.
Isn’t it in the wee morning hours in Japan ???? GB, when all this started about allocating money to buy itnernational players I posted how I rather the Yanks grab both of the Cuban outfielders…….I think the Yu kid has some great possibilities but I still think it’s going to cost much more that Dice K did and for me that’s just too much for a unproven pitcher who has never pitched ve the best hitters and lineups……It seems that only 1 in 20 here see it that way though……
Pat
It’s the afternoon in Japan.
@YankeeSource: I asked Carp scouts who favorites are for Kuroda. 1.Yankees 2. D’Backs. #FWIW
Well, the Cuban outfielders are largely unproven also, I’d say much more than Darvish. And Cespedes apparently wants 50 or 60+ mil to sign. I’d stay away from that. Perhaps the other one if he costs a lot less.
Pat,
Carig agrees that Darvish will cost north of $100 mil to sign. That’s too steep. Could he be good? Possibly or even probably. Young, good arms is not a real need right now. Outfield bats that can chase flies is.
Good. Sign Kuroda, sign Darvish. Trade Burnett (or cut him who cares), put Hughes in the bullpen.
Sabathia, Darvish, Kuroda, Nova, Garcia is a pretty sweet rotation.
LGY,
Who is @YankeeSource?
Young, good arms is not a real need right now.
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Young good arms which can throw 200 IP are not bountiful in our system.
Young good arms which can throw 200 IP are not bountiful in our system.
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They aren’t bountiful in any system which is why Darvish is such a unique opportunity. You could potentially be getting a ready made ace in the prime of his career.
If Darvish does land stateside I see Jerkafce starting a Yu Fan Club…….Have you befriended him on Facebook Face ????
Wouldn’t mind Kuroda for 1 year, though I am concerned about the switch from NL to AL. Probably adds 1 point to his ERA.
But can Cashman actually find a taker for AJ or is he serious that he really wants Noesi in the rotation? Big change from the Hughes/Joba rotation/bullpen saga.
Selig shouldn’t let the Darvish posting continue while Dr. Buss is in the hospital.
At least with Cespedes, the Yanks would know up front how much he’ll cost before buying in. If the Yanks make a winning bid, then they have to agree on a contract. $60 mil and $15-$20 mil for the other outfielder, Jorge Soler for real needs are a lot better than $100+ mil for something they could have already.
some views on the outfielders from Pinstripe Alley (with links by Frankie Piliere).
http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....s-cespedes
At least with Cespedes, the Yanks would know up front how much he’ll cost before buying in.
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Ok… but if the Yankees disagree with how much Darvish will cost… they get their money back. Not a good argument.
M
He’s a scout in Japan. Here’s his twitter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/yankeesource
When I read Cash’s comments on Noesi, my first thought was AAA.
LGY,
Thanks. I read up on Don Nomura on wiki last night. Interesting read. Guy has like 9 lives. Literally, parlayed his way through life.
Article on Japanese Yahoo re: Darvish
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/h.....annex-base
Darvish doesn’t like that the posting system restricts player salaries as MLB teams will consider the posting fee part of the cost of the player. Executive expects the negotiations to open around 8 million per year. Mentions iwakuma going back to Japan because there is a view that american baseball salaries measure the worth of a player and the Athletics did not give a sufficient offer to Iwakuma. Darvish camp might seek 20 million total per year (including bid? 5/100?)
So…about $150M?
No, the 20m/yr is including the posting fee.
20×5=$100M already.
Unless it’s (20×3)+40 Which I doubt.
Don’t be naive Yu is going to expect to get 12-15 million per season, if not more……
No, it’s 20 mil /year total. So something like 50 mil posting fee + 50 mil contract for 5 years.
OHHHH. I get it. $10M per. Sounds a little low…for a potential ace
I’d be surprised if the Yankees bid more than $30-$40M for Darvish. And even then, if they win he posting, they’ll probably offer a 5/50 contract, which he’ll probably turn down.
No harm, no foul. Yankees get their money back, and go out and spend a $12M on Kuroda for a year, and maybe add one of the Cuban outfielders, maybe trade Swisher to Atlanta for JJ, ship Noesi to AAA to get his innings up or trade him to Atlanta in the package.
CC, AJ, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova
Pat M. December 9th, 2011 at 1:20 am
Don’t be naive Yu is going to expect to get 12-15 million per season, if not more……
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I don’t think so. But if he does while the posting fee was around 50 mil then I think he pitches in Japan next year.
Yu made $6 million this season? What will he make next year if he stays in Japan?
Yu made $6 million this season? What will he make next year if he stays in Japan?
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6 to 8 million
Probably only 7-8 next year. Which is why I don’t know what these recent posters are thinking. $10m/yr would be a significant raise from what he got in Japan. Japanese players understand that a large posting fee lowers their potential contract, that’s why they don’t like the posting system.
I’m thinking of too many possibilities…let me just allow Cashman to do his job.
As of now, I’m ok going to battle in ST with CC and AJ, followed by Garcia, Nova, Hughes and Noesi fighting over the remaining 3 spots. And I’m ok with this because…
1. boston got no better.
2. Tampa Bay thus far hasn’t changed much.
3. Toronto hasn’t improved.
4. Buck is pitching and managing in Baltimore.
5. We have starting pitching depth in AAA: Mitchell, Warren, Phelps, Banuelos, and Betances.
6. We have the best bullpen in Mariano, Robertson, Soriano, Wade, and Joba (midseason)
$10M would be a nice little raise. I understand the luxury tax exemption, but that’s still about $20M a year for the guy. Puts into into a different frame of reference.
@YankeeSource: Rakuten Eagles extremely close to signing Jorge Vazquez (Yankees).
Does anyone in their right mind believe that this package for Darvish will be LESS than the Boston & Dice K marriage ???? It’s going to be more folks…..
unless the yankees are selling Vazquez to a Japanese team, he’s still under contract to the Yankees.
Yu has the whole winter to develop of Gyro Ball. He’ll be worth more than Daisuke.
Nick in SF…..And he’ll cost way more and there lies the rub…..
How much more??? If he’s better, he’s worth more, no?
I do not pretend to know what the Yanks will do about this, but if they decide they want Yu, it makes sense to think that they’ll be methodical, just as they’ve been in other recent cases, and identify a number that makes sense for them and bid that amount. If they get outbid, oh well. If they win, they can talk to Yu and again they’ll have a salary limit in mind.
This is a fascinating topic for me. High risk, high reward, so many tricky variables. Yu could be a young dynamo. Yu could be a huge bust. Or something in between.
We do know that Cashman likes to bag the big game from time to time. Here’s a chance to do so without paying big game luxyry tax. Exciting stuff.
“If he’s better, he’s worth more, no?”
Actually, that implies that Daisuke is worth what the Socks paid for him… ha, not quite.
Dice K……..102 Million dollar pitching investment for the Boston Red Sox……..Record 49-30, 622 innings, 105 starts, ERA 4.25. Whip 1.40…..Walks 301. Strikeouts 568…..The totals for his 6 years of service through the 2012 season as he’ll be on the DL for the duration of his contract…….Over 2 million dollars per win…..He was only 19 games in the black ( over .500 )……Well it looks like the next greatest pitcher in Japanese baseball is ready to take a stab at doing better…….Yu is said to be better and it’ll prove to be much more expensive for whomever mound he takes,,,,,,,,,Good Luck
Think Cuban Refugees…..They’re harden and ready to roam the greens of the outfield…….
News from Japan….Yankees offer Kuroda $12 million..
http://yakyubaka.com/tag/hiroki-kuroda/
LGY December 9th, 2011 at 1:36 am
@YankeeSource: Rakuten Eagles extremely close to signing Jorge Vazquez (Yankees).
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So much for “YankeeSource”…
I’m very surprised by Cashman’s comments. Talk about the credit crunch, we’re that worried about our payroll flexibility?
I really think the Igawa-Darvish comparisons are superfluous. Darvish is much better than Igawa and our scouting and evaluation of Japanese talent has improvement. You can’t be gun shy because of one guy when you’re the Yankees.
Good Morning
I don’t really care what the Yankees do on Yu-turn.
If they think he is worth Dice-bb money (or more) that’s their call.
They make their bed they lie in it either way.
I do not know much about Kuroded but at his age and coming over from the NL I really can’t get too excited about it.
I still prefer a lefty for our rotation. Even if it has to be thru trade.
It also makes sense to add one or both of the Cuban OF’er’s. Soler will be cheaper but the other one is near ML ready.
As GB points out we are thin at OF. Not so thin at P.
Do we get the Japanese SS or does he return to Nippon ?
So many questions so few answers.
I’m also not inspired by Kuroda. Seems like a depth move. Would you be that confident in his powers to trade away AJ? That confident that Noesi can handle the majors this season?
I mean, in all likelihood, probably. They did get that good post season start out of AJ. Maybe there was a break thru.
Off-Season Perspective:
http://www.nj.com/sports/index.....l_wit.html
Jacksquat
What do you mean?
Kev-
For me AJ is a separate matter. He is not even a replacement level pitcher.
The only breakthrough that is going to happen for AJ is when he falls thru the thin ice he has been on for a while.
I want a lefty to fill out our rotation. One that is proven and is at least #3 level.
Buerhle would have been a great fill in at the right price but the Fish overpaid to get him.
That leaves guys like Danks and GG. Of the 2 I prefer Danks because I think KW will be more reasonable to trade with and I like the fact that Danks throws harder.
If the Yankees think they have a real shot at Hamels next year they need to prepare for that now.
I also think we should beef up our stable of OF prospects by signing at least one of the Cubans.
And if Naky can be had at a reasonable price I favor that too because it might free up Nunez for trade.
I believe a number of teams are interested in Nunez.
Well all I’m saying is signing Kuroda(if that report is true) seems more like a depth move. I’m not sure how much we can rely on him in the AL East.
That would give us 7 pitchers for the rotation. I’ll bet we’ll have to wait and see with the Darvish bid before we make some trades.
The pitching still scares me a bit – a lot “broke right” with Colon in the first half being a #2, Garcia being solid. I don’t think you can expect Nova to win this many games in 2012. We can’t just say “boston and tampa did nothing” – tampa still has a couple more in the pipeline that are going to have more experience and be better this year (Moore?) – they will be better next year – rotation is getting “scary”. As for Boston, I don’t think they are done with that roster. They can’t afford a third straight year out of the playoffs. Improvements will be made. I know their upper level minors are bad but they’ve been legendary in getting teams to take lesser prospects in trades. If Boston doesn’t improve, I still think the wild card may not be coming out of the East this year. Angels pitching plus all those extra games vs. subpar oakland and seattle could have a better record than second place in east (assuming Texas wins).
We have lots of potential trade pieces.
The only guys I really do not want to trade are Montero and Banuelos.
I’d even consider trading GGBG and Hughes.
I’d love to get rid of Sorryano too.
Do we get the Japanese SS or does he return to Nippon ?
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I’d guess without a regular job waiting for him, he returns to Japan.
I think trading Hughes is pretty unhelpful. Right now this rotation is depending quite a bit on him. If you trade him you need a reliably better starter. I don’t think Danks of Gonzalez qualify as reliably better than Hughes.
Morning guys, I got my 4 tickets yesterday for the March 25th game vrs Detroit at Steinbrenner Field. Took the better part of the afternoon and about 5 mail notes with Ticketmaster to get it done.
Taking a day or more off of the this and that. Until we get some clarity that Cashman is either postering for the benefit of other clubs, or that he truely is dug in on the staying pat notion all of this stuff is academic. I guess we get our next data point on the Yu posting derby.
Pittsburg looked good last night, Big Ben is a warrior. Guy probably didn’t get any sleep as that ankle must have been really uncomfortable.
Kev-
I do not agree. Danks is way more reliable. He has thrown 200 innings quite a bit over the last several years. he throws hard. i would not underestimate what he could do on the Yanks. If Hughes
falters again this year (I don’t think he will) his trade value goes into minus territory.
Don’t get me wrong. I still like Phil. I could see a lateral swap of Hughes + for Danks so that we get a
decent young lefty.
I’d love to pry away Prado and one of their young lefty relievers from the Braves.
If Nunez became expendable that might facilitate things in that direction.
Gary-
I agree. What happens with twirling Darvish tells us a lot. Only a few days to wait.
I hope JF can stand it.
LGY December 9th, 2011 at 7:32 am
Jacksquat
What do you mean?
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“@YankeeSource: Rakuten Eagles extremely close to signing Jorge Vazquez (Yankees).”
How can anyone “sign” Jorge Vazquez? I wasn’t aware he was released…?
That said, Jorge Vazquez could possibly set records in Japan if he went there.
I am very sorry the Cards lost Albert.
Real shame to loose a guy like that.
He’s a legacy player.
Surely there is more talk about than the fate of Jorge Vasquez.
If not we’re in real trouble.
I’d almost rather hear JF go on about Darvish.
Jacksquat
Gotcha. I can’t imagine the Yankees would stand in the way of Vazquez going to Japan. They’ll likely work something out like they did with Dejo and Rasner. Maybe get some cash back.
LGY-
How many pesos make a dollar ?
Juan Miranda and Vasquez.
2 guys the Yankees had no place for.
Oh well.
There’s also no Twitter account under the name “YankeeSource”.
Miranda and Vazquez were signed before Teixeira was.
GB-
If BS were electricity some of the so-called “sources” would be walkin’ powerhouses.
A billion?
GB-
Both of those guys were never really more than organizational filler.
Butchers with a glove. Especially Vasquez.
Can’t expect Nova to win as many games in 2012.
Really? Why not? If anything if he stays healthy with a full season in the bigs he improves.
Sick of reading all the negatives from this blog of what Nova won’t be able to do next year with no good reasons to back it up.
Nova has shown to be a tough kid who has improved since the first day he stepped on the mound for the Yankees.
Don’t get me wrong. I still like Phil. I could see a lateral swap of Hughes + for Danks so that we get a
decent young lefty.
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I wouldn’t declare Danks undeniably better than Phil Hughes. They’re both coming off of down years. Hughes is a year younger. Hughes has two more years of control, and Danks only has one. If it’s an upgrade, it’s not significant enough in my opinion. I also imagine the Yankees would rather just stick with the guy they know.
Now gaining Danks and not trading Hughes is another issue.
There’s also no Twitter account under the name “YankeeSource”.
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Yes, I made him up and provided an imaginary link for m leading directly to his account last night. Diabolical!
Kev-
It was jsut an idea that I was not that storngly behind because I do believe Phil will bounce back in a big way.
I just think another solid lefty would also be an improvement.
I agree. I would like to have both ideally. I’m kind of hoping that’s how it works out.
Of course I prefer Kershaw, Price, or Moore.
But I can’t have them.
Didnt Heyman Tweet on Wednesday night that Burnett was going to be traded soon – possibly to a team out west?
I thought it was weird watching the YES broadcast of Yankees Baseball Daily last night where Heyman was on the show for the entire hour and made no mention of this “inside information” he previously reported when the subject was on what potential moves the Yankees might make now that the Winter Meetings were ending.
of course I want(ed) Garza and Buehrle, but no one listens to me either MTU
Didnt Heyman Tweet on Wednesday night that Burnett was going to be traded soon ? possibly to a team out west?
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Heyman tweeted that? Grain of salt time, LoHudders!!
Guess we are on Darvish watch until further notice.
I wish Erica was here to provide us with an accurate countdown.
But. She is either in atlantic City, playing scrabble with her Dad, working herself to death, or chasing down a cabana boy somewhere in the Caribbean.
Personally, for her sake, I hope it’s the last one.
Kate-
That seems to be our fate.
In your case you don’t deserve it. In my mine I undersatnd.
Prosecutors looking to nail Bonds for 15 months jail time
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....arry-bonds
Prosecutors looking to nail Bonds for 15 months jail time
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Think I’ll take the UNDER on that one.
The Burnett remarks were supplied by Loser. Strange that there’s not a peep from anybody about it.
Bonds has already been found guilty of Obstruction Of Justice. If he only gets 90-180 days, I’m satisfied.
Isn’t true that Burnett has always favored the east coast? Probably not unreasonable to think that the teams listed on his limted no-trade would include most of those west of the Mississippi.
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