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Yankees wrapping up in Dallas

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman is flying out of Dallas this afternoon, and he said he doesn’t expect to have any more meetings with agents or general managers before he leaves for the airport.

Cashman confirmed this morning’s Rule 5 trade for Cesar Cabral. The move gives the Yankees hard-throwing lefty to compete for a spot in the bullpen. Cashman also explained that the Yankees took right-hander Brad Meyers to compete for a long relief role, because they have no plans of using Hector Noesi in that role next year. The Yankees want Noesi to start, either in New York or Triple-A.

To make room for the second Rule 5 pick on the 40-man roster, the Yankees released outfielder Greg Golson.

The Angels additions this morning, Cashman said, have no impact on the Yankees. Cashman also had very little to say about Yu Darvish, though his posting clearly adds a premier arm to the market.

Ultimately, the Yankees seem to be leaving Dallas exactly as expected: Quietly.

 
 

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348 Responses to “Yankees wrapping up in Dallas”

  1. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Arive late, leave early – make very little noise – George is spinning…

  2. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Arrive with the best team, leave with the best team… there are worse problems.

  3. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    The Gm meetings are largely for posturing and overpaying for players anyway. The real deals happen at the end of December or later.

  4. Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Booooooooo. That was a boring trip. No complaints though really.

  5. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Yu Darvish will be posted tomorrow
    by Gen on Dec.08, 2011 @ 3:14 pm, under NPB

    Don Nomura has tweeted that Yu Darvish will be posted tomorrow.

    Yu Darvish being posted tomorrow #darvish

    UPDATE @ 3:40pm – Darvish also posted the following update to his blog:

    To my fans: an update

    On this day, Yu Darvish has decided to make use of the posting system.

    I wanted to inform you, the fans, first and foremost so I decided to announce my decision [at my blog].

    I am extremely grateful to the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters.

    I can not provide any other details at this time because I just recently filled out the paperwork for the posting process.

    I would like to hold a press conference once everything is finalized.

    Yu Darvish

    PS. I want to be a New York Yankee. [sorry I couldn't help enhancing his tweet. ] :)

  6. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    I said it on the last thread and I still believe it – when all is said and done – Darvish and Cespedes will be Yankees.

    Meyers and Cabral can’t both make the team unless Cory Wade or Boone Logan aren’t on the roster (or the Yankees opt to carry 13 pitchers)

  7. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Not that I wanted Pujols or Wilson but it’s annoying watching rivals make improvements, never complaining about obstacles of improvement.

  8. kd December 8th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    a little late but anyway:

    overall this is a great day for pujols, beyond the years and the numbers. he get’s to go to a dh league, save a little wear and tear on his body. the angels stadium is a good hitters park, and the al west is inconsistent. any playoff push could be attributed to his presence.

  9. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    repost:

    On the Rangers –

    Where’s Chuck Greenberg?

    Remember him. The guy everyone was talking about at this time last year. The industry player who was shaking things up, etc, etc.

    It’s amazing how fast things are now forgotten. He’s such a distant memory now that his 15min are up.

    Greenberg was always a figurehead there. He was never the guy with the money so he didn’t really matter (which is why I could never understand why yankee fans made such a big deal out all of the things he was saying last winter…)

    But the reason why he was pushed out by the people with the money was that they felt his pursuit of Cliff Lee at 100M+ was crazy and that he was being irresponsible.

    So the men with money in Texas decided that Cliff Lee at 100M+ wasn’t something they wanted to do.

    But now those same guys are going to want to pursue a Japanese pitcher with no stateside experience or track record at a similar total dollar figure? No Darvish won’t cost 125M+ – but his total outlay is going to be enormous. And he’s nowhere near what Lee was.

    The Rangers clearly new they weren’t bringing back wilson. It’s why they moved Feliz to the rotation so quickly this winter. That spot in the rotation has been replaced.

    They can find a closer. That’s all they need.

  10. pat December 8th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    DKnoblerDKnobler
    Angels are telling teams: We’re not trading anyone. They say Trumbo can DH, play 3B

  11. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    “Cashman also explained that the Yankees took right-hander Brad Meyers to compete for a long relief role, because they have no plans of using Hector Noesi in that role next year. The Yankees want Noesi to start, either in New York or Triple-A.”

    They better stick to this. It’s good to hear. One of the best moves they can make this winter.

  12. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    The Angels additions this morning, Cashman said, have no impact on the Yankees.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Hmmmmmm??

  13. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    The Yankees are close to signing former Indians prospect Adam Miller to a minor league deal, tweets Sherman. Miller ranked among Baseball America’s top 100 prospects for five straight years from 2005 to 2009.
    Well, not completely done!

  14. Villa Nova-Ya December 8th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Also, Tex may not get voted into the ASG as a starting 1B, but does not mean he will never again be an all-star. Sheesh.

  15. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Gary – I would assume he meant these signings have no effect on the Yankees making a move.

    Obviously he knows they play the Angels…

  16. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    If they are planning on Noesi to start then somebody(s) are going to be dealt……AJ may have thrown his last pie in pinstripes.

  17. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    pat December 8th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    DKnoblerDKnobler
    Angels are telling teams: We’re not trading anyone. They say Trumbo can DH, play 3B

    —————–

    So Abreu becomes a really expensive pinch hitter.

  18. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Good luck Mariners…..might as well trade us Felix ;)

  19. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Miller ranked among Baseball America’s top 100 prospects for five straight years from 2005 to 2009

    I’m not so sure this is something to be proud of :p

  20. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    If they are planning on Noesi to start then somebody(s) are going to be dealt……AJ may have thrown his last pie in pinstripes.

    ————

    I think he meant that they would keep him starting in the minors or if Hughes stinks in spring and Noesi shines – replacing him.

    Ideally of course they would like to deal AJ – I still just don’t see it happening.

  21. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    What about Morales……

  22. Patrick December 8th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Mark Trumbo is bad, who cares

  23. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Adam Miller Stats:

    http://www.baseball-reference......ller001ada

  24. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya December 8th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    Also, Tex may not get voted into the ASG as a starting 1B, but does not mean he will never again be an all-star. Sheesh.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I’d be happy to stop seeing him pull everything when batting lefthanded. The all star stuff can come later. :-)

  25. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    I think AJ is gone. They’ll explore all avenues to trade him – if he’s with the team it’ll only be because there really was no market for him.

    But with prices on pitchers in the market at what they are – someone will bite. The question won’t be what player the Yanks get back (they won’t get much of anything) but how much money they need to shell out to move AJ. That’s the only real variable.

  26. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    eboland11 Yankees have interest in Darvish but described as “cautious interest.”

  27. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    I’d be happy with no Yankees making the All-Star team and taking the weekend off.

  28. Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    ” To make room for the second Rule 5 pick on the 40-man roster, the Yankees released outfielder Greg Golson.”

    This should free up time for bat sales.

  29. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    “I think AJ is gone. They’ll explore all avenues to trade him – if he’s with the team it’ll only be because there really was no market for him.”

    I agree…..when that rumor came out yesterday that they’d eat money to trade him and then there was no denial from the Yankees……that was very telling. Cashman gas ask mentioned several times possibly trimming payroll through trades……AJ is one of the only places to do that

  30. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Trumbo at 3rd base?? The Angels need people to get on base and Alberto Callaspo led the team with a .366 OBA vs Trumbo at .291.

    Trumbo made 10 errors at 1st-good luck at 3rd. In the two years he’s been on the Angels he never played once at 3rd.

  31. RadioKev December 8th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    I don’t think Noesi is going to replace Burnett. They’ll want the depth for now. If we acquire another starter, Burnett is as good as gone. For now Noesi is the 6th pitcher and they’ll work him in when they can.

  32. jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    yanks 27 December 8th, 2011 at 11:34 am
    BobKlap
    Friend of Pujols believes rivalry with A-Rod big factor in picking #Angels. Will finish his career making more per year than A-Rod will.

    Lol, a salary rivalry. A-Rod wins, rivalry over.

  33. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    eboland11 doesnt sound like Yanks will spend wildly if Darvish posting fee is high. “tough 2 write a check for 30, 40 million unless ur sure” on some1

  34. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    Trumbo at 3rd base?? The Angels need people to get on base and Alberto Callaspo led the team with a .366 OBA vs Trumbo at .291.

    Trumbo made 10 errors at 1st-good luck at 3rd. In the two years he’s been on the Angels he never played once at 3rd.

    —————–

    I don’t think he was serious about Trumbo being there – but doesn’t want to completely devalue him either.

  35. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    CB

    @Evan_P_Grant
    In addition to arb raises/extensions, Rangers also had to write large check as settlement with Chuck Greenberg.

  36. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    I?d be happy with no Yankees making the All-Star team and taking the weekend off.

    *******************

    I could get behind that as well. Then I wouldn’t feel obligated to watch the stupid thing. :P

  37. PittsburghYankeeFan December 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ says Rangers won’t risk $100 million, but go for Gio or Garza (sounds like Nolan Ryan to me).

    Rangers aren’t in it, and I would be surprised if the Jays or Sox were. That leaves one big gorilla, who hopefully won’t bid against himself.

    Who Loves Yu, Baby.

  38. Jerkface December 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    They wrote a check for 26 mil on Igawa, a guy they had never even seen before and didn’t even know what his pitches were. Yankees gonna drop a big bid on Darvish

  39. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    Adam Miller Stats:

    http://www.baseball-reference……ller001ada

    ————-

    minor league depth – he’ll never see Yankee Stadium without a ticket.

  40. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Buster_ESPN 11 mins I wonder how Jered Weaver is feeling today about Angels’ position last summer that they couldn’t give him more than 5/85.

  41. PittsburghYankeeFan December 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    CB, LGY: The Rangers settlement was for $5 million with Chuck Greenberg.

  42. Patrick December 8th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    I don’t think Noesi is going to replace Burnett. They’ll want the depth for now. If we acquire another starter, Burnett is as good as gone. For now Noesi is the 6th pitcher and they’ll work him in when they can.

    Darvish replaces Burnett

  43. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    What teams say about Darvish is really irrelevant …..its a blind bid so of course they are going to downplay their interest

  44. BoJo December 8th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Adam Miller is an interesting signing…had similar talent to Christian Garcia, and was throwing 94-96 late in season.

  45. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Ken Rosenthal

    High-ranking #Marlins official says team is not and will not be on Prince. Prince can’t drive Latin market like Pujols could have. #MLB

    via Twitter for iPhone

  46. jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Erin December 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    I?d be happy with no Yankees making the All-Star team and taking the weekend off.

    *******************

    I could get behind that as well. Then I wouldn’t feel obligated to watch the stupid thing.

    But you know no one is beating Cano for the AS game for a while, so of course you’ll be watching. ;)

  47. longtimefan December 8th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    CJ Wilson to the Angels–5yrs 77.5 million could have slotted in as a #2 behind CC–missed opportunitiy–if they plan on shipping AJ out he would have been a good replacement

  48. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    jacksquat- exactly. ;)

  49. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    Buster_ESPN 11 mins I wonder how Jered Weaver is feeling today about Angels’ position last summer that they couldn’t give him more than 5/85.

    —————–

    He’s probably saying “whoa…this team is a lot better than last year’s”

  50. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    “In addition to arb raises/extensions, Rangers also had to write large check as settlement with Chuck Greenberg.”

    That’s great. What a clown. Can’t believe anyone took him seriously.

    His only job was to be the figurehead for that group to purchase the Rangers. Once he and Ryan did that – they tossed out the guy who wasn’t from Texas.

  51. ron December 8th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Wonder if arod gets motivated with pujols in the al????

  52. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Of course what I think this also means is that it will be very tough for them to sign Dan Haren to a new deal – but they still have a club option on him for 2013

  53. jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    Ken Rosenthal

    High-ranking #Marlins official says team is not and will not be on Prince. Prince can’t drive Latin market like Pujols could have. #MLB

    via Twitter for iPhone

    A-Rod is Latin. Just sayin’…

  54. backbench December 8th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    One has to feel for the Astros. They get told they’re getting kicked out of the NL Central to now be in the AL West, with the DH and all that. The consolation for them was that they didn’t have to face Albert that often anymore. And now….

  55. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    They just said on the radio that Miami’s Wilson offer was 6/98. That’s a lot of money to turn down….

  56. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Jon Heyman

    Hearing bailey more likely to be dealt at trade deadline than now$ #athletics

    via Mobile Web

    *********

    Great news! One less reliever to flood market if Yanks attempt to move R. Soriano.

  57. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Joelsherman1 2 mins Cabral good gamble because fastball/slider combo could work in majors against LHs, and competent vs. RHs due to changeup.

    Joelsherman1 3 mins Scouts talked to liked both #Yankees Rule 5 picks. Called Meyers extreme strike thrower (0BBs, 36.1IP at Double-A this yr). Called (cont)

  58. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Amazing how Cot’s has already loaded Pujols and Wilson on the Angels roster.

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....aheim.html

  59. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    “I wonder how Jered Weaver is feeling today about Angels’ position last summer that they couldn’t give him more than 5/85.”

    This is why Boras is right and does well for his clients financially. There is much, much more money in the game than the owner every let on about.

    Baseball is flush with cash.

    Players can chose not to maximize their earnings – but guys like Weaver are literally leaving 50-60M on the table. And they’ll never have the opportunity earn that money back down the road as these are their peak earning years.

  60. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Wow. That’s a lot of coin CJ passed up.

  61. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    CJ Wilson turned down 6 years and nearly 100 million. Says if it was about the money he’d be a Marlin.

    Danks is going to test free agency. How could he not.

    And Cole Hamels? Same thing.

    Hamels must be licking his chops.

  62. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Adam Miller – he was on the prospect radar for so long. Every year talk about his arm and potential and how good he might be.

    Just never worked out.

  63. jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    I said CJ seemed like a SoCal kind of guy, not to mention it’s where he is from. He’s rich either way, better to play where you are happier.

  64. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Blake-

    I think CJ Wilson really wanted to be with the Angels.

  65. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    How will Billy Beane’s offense fare against Weaver-Haren-Wilson-Santana?

    The answer is not well.

  66. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    What’s hilarious is the Pujols is just barely the highest paid Angel over the next 3 years……wells will make almost 25 million per year also.

  67. kd December 8th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    i will never give a player a hard time for taking more money to go somewhere, even 1 million more.

    i don’t have a million in the bank, but if i did my life would be totally different.

    i know these guys make a ton, but baseball is a business. they have every right to follow the money.

    with the extra money that cj left on the table he could have bought his own plane and flown his family all over. he won’t get a chance to get that kind of coin again, cb is totally right

  68. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    It’s really remarkable how bad it’s going to turn out for the Phillies by prioritizing the signing of Howard first over Hamels.

    There was no pressing reason to extend Howard.

    And if CJ got 6/100 – then Hamels will easily get 7/140-150 next season.

    Why would Hamels sign any kind of extension now that isn’t in that range? No reason at all.

    The Phils probably could have signed him last year for a Weaver like deal.

    The Yankees have to be very careful about not making moves that will preclude them from getting Hamels.

    If he hits the market he is a must have player. He’s a player you that you go to 130M+ to sign.

    He and Kemp were the two must have talents potentially available next winter. One is gone – but there’s much more motivation for the other to test the water now.

  69. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Joelsherman1 5 mins go back to Japan, play in 2012, become a full free agent and join #Redsox for the 2013 season. Valentine really likes Nakajima’s bat.

    Joelsherman1 5 mins 1 exec who knows Bobby Valentine said he’ very high on Nakajima. Thus expects SS to reject #Yankees overtures after they won posting (cont)

    Is there a japanese player that bobby V doesn’t think is a star?

  70. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    For what it’s worth – the griping that’s going on right now about the LAA payroll and signings is likely what happens on other boards whenever the Yankees make a move.

  71. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    How much money did Kemp leave on the table? That was a fair extension bt the spending in baseball right now is nuts.

  72. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    LOL. Of course Nakajima is conspiring to join the Red Sox in 2013.

  73. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    The media is hilarious. They are treating Valentine like the Oz already. He has magic powers to make all sorts of things happen by his sheer will and genius alone.

  74. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    - WINTER MEETINGS LOSERS -
    (1) METS- (Shoulda dealt Reyes July 31)
    (2) WHITE SOX- (Can’t even give away Rent-A-Danks)
    (3) R\SOX – ( No significant additions= status quo)

  75. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    “How much money did Kemp leave on the table? ”

    20-40M? That’s what I’d guess. That’s contingent on him repeating what he did this season again.

    But if he did – I could see him getting close to 8/200.

  76. Yank1 December 8th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Not that I wanted Pujols or Wilson but it’s annoying watching rivals make improvements, never complaining about obstacles of improvement.

    ——————

    Cash sounds like a small market GM, whining about prices and talking about preserving resources.

    If a no-doubt player isn’t on the marker (CC, Lee, Tex, Kemp, Hamels, etc.) at a position of need, Cash is lost. As far as creativity goes, I’d imagine that he ranks at the bottom among GMs.

  77. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Whats funny is how the media perception flipped after Valentine’s press conference ……apparently he should get an oscar for that sucker because the world loves him after it.

  78. RadioKev December 8th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Why would Hamels sign any kind of extension now that isn’t in that range? No reason at all.
    ————

    Or the same exact reason why CJ turned down the highest bid. There’s now a growing list of players turning down the highest bidder.. Teixiera, Lee, Pujols, Wilson, and there are others of course.

    Many players will go below market value to play in a place or a team they want to be on. I don’t blame them. Money’s not the only thing in life.

    It seems to me that Hamels likes playing on the Phillies. Unless they really suck next year, or look like they’ll really suck in the future, I’ll be surprised if he leaves.

  79. comet December 8th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Hello Shame, Erin, CB, Blake, Kate, GB and MTU.

    I think we look good. We don’t need or want Price Fielder and we have home grown pitching.

    If they bid on Darvish, fine. I do hope they can find a home for AJ.

  80. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Working on getting some spring training tickets, Detroit, Phillies :-)

  81. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal
    C.J. did no decide until 530 am. Agent Bob Garber says he “easily” could have gotten 100M. #Marlins and Loria “would not let it go.” #MLB

  82. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Hi Comet :)

  83. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    CB-
    Hamels is another southern Calinornia native. Wouldn’t count on him staying on the east coast after testing FA.

    Angels approximate guaranteed contracts is at 144M, if Pujols and Wilson’s contracts are equal thru the length of it.

    I think the Yankees will sign Nakajima and then see what starting pitcher a package of Nunez will bring.

  84. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    “20-40M? That’s what I’d guess. That’s contingent on him repeating what he did this season again.”

    Yea if was fair extension and I can’t blame him for signing it if that’s where he wants to be…..its just free agency in baseball is so crazy these days…..you just never know where teams will go.

  85. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Yankees stack up great against the Angels:

    CC = Weaver
    Haren > Nova
    Wilson > AJ
    Santana > Garcia

  86. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    For what it’s worth – the griping that’s going on right now about the LAA payroll and signings is likely what happens on other boards whenever the Yankees make a move

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Seems like it’s always that way, negative negative. Too much money, too many years ect ect. I’m not sure I’ve seen many positive comments about what others do.

  87. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    “It seems to me that Hamels likes playing on the Phillies. Unless they really suck next year, or look like they’ll really suck in the future, I’ll be surprised if he leaves.”

    Actually, Hamels is a Southern California guy and there’s always been talk about him potentially wanting to go back…

    My point was that given prices now – it will be much more expensive for the Phils to keep Hamels – and to keep him off the market then it would have been had they signed him when they did Howard.

    Hamels is a much better ball player than Howard and is a pitcher. He was the one to prioritize – he was the one that was going to get insanely expensive the closer he got to free agency.

  88. RadioKev December 8th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Blake,

    Only Joel Sherman would report on a load of crap like that, this whole Bobby Valentine stuff. Let’s get real..

  89. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    Yankees stack up great against the Angels:

    CC = Weaver
    Haren > Nova
    Wilson > AJ
    Santana > Garcia

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I don’t know which position your coming from, Wilson and Santana matchups don’t favor the Yanks.

  90. Yank1 December 8th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    There is no reason for a lot of these players to sign extensions…. and they end up signing extensions and/or taking less to go to a place they want (or stay in that place).

    I don’t see what makes Hamels more likely to test the market or go to the highest bidder. Don’t count on him becoming a FA – go after
    Darvish

  91. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Why was Loria so obsessed with CJ?

    What about the “Latin market”?

  92. RadioKev December 8th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    My point was that given prices now – it will be much more expensive for the Phils to keep Hamels – and to keep him off the market then it would have been had they signed him when they did Howard.
    ———-

    I do totally agree with that. I don’t think anyone, Phillies fan or otherwise, can defend that Howard extension. It was mind numbing when it happened, and it’s still mind numbing.

  93. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Yanks have fared well vs Wilson, so him going to the Angels is No big deal. Should Texas win the Darvish bidding, NOW that would be a dagger to the Yanks.

  94. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    When Valentine was interviewed shortly after Francona was let go, he said that he didn’t think he’d be a good fit with the Red Sox.

    He’s the polar opposite of Terry Francona.

  95. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Wilson “I was dealt surprised the Yankees weren’t a player”

  96. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Very surprised

  97. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    @BNightengale: The Miami #Marlins actually outbid the #Angels for Pujols,offering 10-year, $275 million deal, sources confirm. Story to come.

  98. Benny Blanco December 8th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Wilson just said that he was shocked the Yankees werent a player. He almost sounded disappointed

  99. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    He’s the polar opposite of Terry Francona.
    ——————————-
    I think I should have said that Valentine is the bipolar opposite of Terry Francona.

  100. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Wow.

  101. pat December 8th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    BNightengaleBob Nightengale
    The Miami #Marlins actually outbid the #Angels for Pujols,offering 10-year, $275 million deal, sources confirm. Story to come.

  102. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Wilson did sound disappointed the Yankees didn’t play……

  103. jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    The no-trade policy of the Marlins probably hurt them twice. Players want to choose where they go and stay there, not be forced to play somewhere not their choice because of a trade.

  104. upstate kate December 8th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Cashman not creative?
    Colon, Garcia, Chavez and Jones say hello.

  105. RadioKev December 8th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    JackCurryYES Jack Curry
    As excited as Wilson is to be Angel, he told me he was surprised the Yanks didn’t pursue him. “Who wouldn’t want to be a Yankee?” he said
    ———-

    Aww… poor Ceej

  106. pat December 8th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    JackCurryYESJack Curry
    As excited as Wilson is to be Angel, he told me he was surprised the Yanks didn’t pursue him. “Who wouldn’t want to be a Yankee?” he said

  107. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    10/275 and Albert went to the Angels? That’s kinda weird considering thethe geography….

  108. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    JackCurryYES As excited as Wilson is to be Angel, he told me he was surprised the Yanks didn’t pursue him. “Who wouldn’t want to be a Yankee?” he said

  109. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Got to go. Have a great day all. Until later.

  110. Bret The Hitman December 8th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Maybe these players figure the Marlins money is monopoly money. They’ve been treating the Winter Meetings like their own infomercial.

  111. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Lost .. @LostNYY 12m @Jon_Heyman and that was specifically regarding Darvish.

    Lost .. @LostNYY 13m @Jon_Heyman Hal said, “We look at each person as an individual, and that previous failures with pitchers won’t factor, at least not with me”

    Lost .. @LostNYY 15m @Jon_Heyman Hah, yeah right! Trying to keep the cost down? :) Cautious my butt, they are all in. Do I need to quote Hal for youO

    Test for Lost

  112. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Someone alluded to Hamels going FA next year.

    If I were Cash, I’d be working overtime trying to ascertain Hamel’s present feelings on that topic, as well as where he’d like to play.

    I know there are rules governing tampering, but I’m sure there are a lot of phone calls and conversations that happen very quietly. (Remember when JD Drew opted out of his Dodgers’ contract, to sign for more $$$ with the Red Sox? I really think Scott Boras had an under the table agreement with the Red Sox all worked out. Dodgers thought hard about filing a grievance with MLB, decided not to.)

    Because, as has been discussed here, if Hamels is available and amenable to coming over, then that has to factor into any decision about Darvish.

  113. upstate kate December 8th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Hi Comet!

  114. pat December 8th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    That makes it look like Pujols was willing to pay $25M for a no-trade clause.

  115. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Gary December 8th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    For what it’s worth – the griping that’s going on right now about the LAA payroll and signings is likely what happens on other boards whenever the Yankees make a move

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Seems like it’s always that way, negative negative. Too much money, too many years ect ect. I’m not sure I’ve seen many positive comments about what others do.

    —————

    That’s because we’re all homers at heart.

  116. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Where’s P? Shouldn’t he have all Lost’s inside info? :roll:

  117. CB December 8th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    These stories about the Yankees being cautiously interested in Darvish are amusing.

    I think the one thing Cashman has had time to understand as Yankees GM – it usually doesn’t make sense to use your bullets on second or third tier guys.

    The Yankees have such high goals every year that’s it’s only a select group of players who will cost significant amounts who can add marginal value. It’s not like the crowd of players who sign high priced deals are going to push the yankees up the next notch they are seeking to get to in the winter.

    But when those premium guys do come up – then they should go all in. And that’s what they’ve done more recently.

    Can’t get Cliff Lee – then don’t waste resources locking up a lesser arm to a big money deal just because you have a need. Take a chance on a Freddy Garcia and the kids.

    It’s the development of a pitching strong farm system which gives the yankees the flexibility from not getting involved with contracts like the ones Wilson and Buerhle just got.

    It’s why they refused a meeting with CJ.

    So the real question on Darvish is whether or not the yankees see him as a premium guy. If they do – then they will be all in. Not a guarantee they will get him. But in practice if they see him as a true plus guy they will not be subtle or half-way. They will go in for the kill on the deal.

    The real issue isn’t the total money or how aggressive/cautious they’ll be. It’s not even their level of “need.”

    It’s how they evaluate this player. That’s what it gets down to. The rest will follow.

  118. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    pat December 8th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
    JackCurryYESJack Curry
    As excited as Wilson is to be Angel, he told me he was surprised the Yanks didn’t pursue him. “Who wouldn’t want to be a Yankee?” he said

    ————-

    Yankees already have one pitcher they regret signing on the roster – don’t need another.

    I would MUCH rather have Darvish from 25 – 31 than CJ Wilson from 32 – 38

  119. Stoneburner December 8th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Yanks need to get Darvish – and then jettison A.J. Evalute then whether Hughes, Nova, Garcia, and Noesi are good enough to hold downt he final three spots – or whether we need something more come July 31st trade deadline. . . .

  120. blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Wonderful what the tax difference is between 275 FL vs 250 in cali.

  121. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I think players have a right to be worried about signing with the Marlins – they’re an organization that is quite rightly pegged as being cheap and they’ve done this before – brought in big players, won, and then parcelled off the players in various trades to cut payroll.

    If I’m Pujols, one of the best hitters of this generation, and the team is unwilling to commit to me long term with a NTC I have to have reservations about where I might end up. There’s a lot to be said about being able to control one’s destiny and that’s what Free Agency is all about.

  122. bardos December 8th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    My take is that Pujols was just waiting for a strong American League offer. The DH was totally in his future plans. He saw the future: in the NL he’d have to eventually embarrass himself in the field, risk injury etc.

  123. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Just getting on now.

    Anything new? They trade Gardner yet?

  124. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    It’s a blind bid on Darvish so all the Yankees, all anyone, can do is submit what they think is the best number and hope that it works out.

    Maybe there’s a team that is more desperate and thus willing to ensure that they win by posting some insane amount like $70 mil – if that’s the case – poop happens.

  125. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    blake your autocorrect is on a rampage today

  126. jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    No state tax I think in FL, probably high state tax in CA, so more than 25 mil difference. But I think most players value the no-trade clause pretty highly.

  127. Jerkface December 8th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Angel fans must be thrilled about their player wishing the Yankees had been in the mix. Glad CJ is off the market, saves the Yankees from themselves.

  128. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    m – The Angels got better, ho hum :p I hope you aren’t holding your breath on that Gardner deal. :)

  129. upstate kate December 8th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    I enjoy Blake’s auto correct :)

  130. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    m December 8th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
    Just getting on now.

    Anything new? They trade Gardner yet?

    ————

    Yup, Gardner, Montero and Mason Williams went to the Mariners for Felix Hernandez

  131. bruceb December 8th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Yank1 December 8th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    If a no-doubt player isn’t on the marker (CC, Lee, Tex, Kemp, Hamels, etc.) at a position of need, Cash is lost. As far as creativity goes, I’d imagine that he ranks at the bottom among GMs.

    Really? You don’t think signing Colon and Garcia to Minor League contracts wasn’t being “creative” because I sure as hell do. Without them last season, we probably don’t even make the playoffs.

  132. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    @GordonEdes: Angels GM Jerry Dipoto scouted for Red Sox in 2003-2004

    Everything relates back to the Red Sox.

  133. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Jerkface December 8th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
    Angel fans must be thrilled about their player wishing the Yankees had been in the mix. Glad CJ is off the market, saves the Yankees from themselves.

    —————

    I don’t think that’s what he said. I think what he said was that he was surprised they weren’t – frankly I’m betting he was also surprised that the Red Sox weren’t in the mix…my guess is that his agent shares those thoughts.

  134. Yank1 December 8th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    at 5/$75, I would have taken Wilson

  135. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Ya. Wilson would have been an awesome Yankee. Would have brought some quirkiness to the clubhouse.

    Love that he’s giving the Yankees some love.

  136. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Well alright then…

    @KBergCBS: Multiple league executives say the Knicks are now in the lead to land Tyson Chandler, jumping in front of the Warriors.

    You out there mick?

  137. champ809 December 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    I can see Hamels signing with the Dodgers next year.

    New owners, need to make a splash in the market…

    Kershaw
    Hamels
    Billingsley

    make a sick sick top 3 in the rotation

  138. pat December 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Wonderful what the tax difference is between 275 FL vs 250 in cali.”

    About $1.2 million a year gross before a good tax accountant get their hands on it and turn it into $0 net.

  139. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
    @GordonEdes: Angels GM Jerry Dipoto scouted for Red Sox in 2003-2004

    Everything relates back to the Red Sox.

    ————–

    Of course – Red Sox are the model that every organization should want to be.

  140. Yank1 December 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Buster_ESPN profile

    Buster_ESPN Other executives are speculating this could nudge Rangers into going all out for Fielder/Darvish. Ownership loaded; AL West arms race.

  141. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
    Well alright then…

    @KBergCBS: Multiple league executives say the Knicks are now in the lead to land Tyson Chandler, jumping in front of the Warriors.

    ————-

    yeah and the Lakers are going to deal Bynum and Odom to the Hornets for CP3 and Pau to the Magic for Howard

  142. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    The Angels/Rangers will be the next great rivalry in baseball.

  143. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Yank1 December 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
    Buster_ESPN profile

    Buster_ESPN Other executives are speculating this could nudge Rangers into going all out for Fielder/Darvish. Ownership loaded; AL West arms race.

    ———

    Way to go out on a limb Buster – a team in the same division as the Rangers makes two huge additions (one of them coming off your roster – by the way Texas only gets a 2nd round pick for Wilson) and you think that might spur the Rangers on to make moves?

    It bothers me that I could do as good a job as half these guys if I had a labotomy.

  144. pat December 8th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    DiPoto- “I won’t discuss the terms of the contract”

    NY media doesn’t take that for an answer. Feinsand and Sherman ask question again and get told the same thing again.

  145. Yank1 December 8th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    “The Angels/Rangers will be the next great rivalry in baseball.”

    Kind of fun, actually. Too many dead teams in the AL who can’t compete with the Yanks/Sox – Orioles, Jays, Indians, Royals, Twins, ChiSox, As, Mariners, etc.

    Need some more “super teams” in the AL.

    Yanks-Sox-Rangers-Angels-Rays-Tigers… all formidable teams that can beat eachother.

  146. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Wow.

    @KBergCBS: If the deal goes through, the Knicks use amnesty on Chauncey Billups and move Ronny Turiaf to make room for Chandler, sources say.

  147. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    pat,

    NY Media asks the question 5 different ways and then gets all pissy at Girardi for getting irritated.

  148. Jerkface December 8th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    I don’t think that’s what he said.

    Pretty much exactly what he said. Including,”Who wouldnt want to be a yankee?” Thats not what you say when you sign with their rival :)

  149. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    Yankees stack up great against the Angels:

    CC = Weaver
    Haren > Nova
    Wilson > AJ
    Santana > Garcia

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I don?t know which position your coming from, Wilson and Santana matchups don?t favor the Yanks.

    ———————————————————————————————————–

    I was being sarcastic……….CC and Weaver is a wash, and all the other pitching matchups heavily favor the Angels

  150. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    “blake your autocorrect is on a rampage today”

    Lol….it likes to add to the conversation

  151. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    So, what’s the deal with the international market cap? Is it a signing thing or a total amount spent on all international players per class?

    Because all things being equal (per signing cap), who wouldn’t want to be a Yankee?

  152. Yank1 December 8th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    @KBergCBS: If the deal goes through, the Knicks use amnesty on Chauncey Billups and move Ronny Turiaf to make room for Chandler, sources say.

    ——

    Very odd. They must know something about Paul and his willingness to sign elsewhere. Who plays PG?

  153. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
    Wow.

    @KBergCBS: If the deal goes through, the Knicks use amnesty on Chauncey Billups and move Ronny Turiaf to make room for Chandler, sources say.

    —————\

    Warriors have offered him a 4 year $60 mil contract.

    Eddy Curry signs with the Heat

  154. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    @sam_amick: Source close to situation confirms @MSteinmetzCSN report that Tyson Chandler has offer of four years, approx $60 million. New York emerging.

  155. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    275 million dollars is a pretty good no trade clause.

  156. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    The Knicks are the only NY team that is potentially making a move that makes sense. Tyson Chandler is a defensive beast!!

  157. pat December 8th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    JackCurryYESJack Curry
    Wilson asked me how unusual it is for Yankees not to make a move at the winter mtgs. To quote Cashman, they think the prices are too high

  158. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Yank1 December 8th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    @KBergCBS: If the deal goes through, the Knicks use amnesty on Chauncey Billups and move Ronny Turiaf to make room for Chandler, sources say.

    ——

    Very odd. They must know something about Paul and his willingness to sign elsewhere. Who plays PG?

    ———

    Toney Douglas or Iman Shumpert

  159. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Chip,

    Battier, too. I think Oden worked out for the Heat, too.

  160. yanks 27 December 8th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Would they still have $$ (and necessary trade assets) to get CP3 even if they sign Chandler? They obviously won’t have Chauncy’s contract to play around with anymore.

    I don’t believe they would go this route unless they knew something abut CP3 (good or bad).

  161. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 9m Dipoto on age questions about Pujols: “He hits like he’s 27.” Pujols is 31. #Angels #MLB

    So did Arod.

  162. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    I can’t even make fun of Pujols’ contract. It’s not even close to being the worst one ever. :(

  163. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Oops. Looks like Oden will accept Blazer’s offer.

  164. CB December 8th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Oh yeah… so when do the recriminations start about the Angels buying a winning team and exhibiting overwhelming avarice start?

    And how long will they stick with the club?

    Marlins?

  165. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    blake December 8th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
    Wilson “I was dealt surprised the Yankees weren’t a player”

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Blake, can’t say I was totally surprised at Yanks not going after him. You sleep in the bed you make, time will tell if these were good decisions or not. Yanks need to have good matchup’s against the teams they will need to beat, they aren’t there yet.

  166. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    “I can’t even make fun of Pujols’ contract. It’s not even close to being the worst one ever.”

    Probably not……but its hard to judge before it even starts. You never know what will happen.

  167. kd December 8th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    the thing about the posting system is the blind auction. if i remember correctly, people thought there would be a 15 to 20 million fee to get to dice-k. the yankees put in ~25, if i am correct. at the time, cashman said he was really nervous that he had put in too large of a bid. then the red sox became the bronx sox and bid 51.

    the point is that the darvish bidding, being blind, is a total crapshoot. it’s hard to imagine teams bidding more than 50, but as scott boras would say, ‘it just takes one dumb owner.’ how much is it going to take? 75? would you bid that blindly?

    i think you’re better off seeing if hamels would come to ny.

    if not, maybe manban is ready and you save 175 million. that could put a roof on the stadium and save all the delays and double headers!

  168. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Toney Douglas or Iman Shumpert

    —————–

    No way. They must have another deal in place for a PG for this to make any sense.

  169. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    m December 8th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
    I can’t even make fun of Pujols’ contract. It’s not even close to being the worst one ever
    —————

    It’s not even close to being the worst one on that team

    I’m really curious how Bobby Abreu feels about the fact that he’s likely going to be stapled to the bench this year.

    They have Hunter and Wells in the OF corners and Morales at DH

  170. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Angels are best team ever besides the 2011 Red Sox! !!

  171. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    Toney Douglas or Iman Shumpert

    —————–

    No way. They must have another deal in place for a PG for this to make any sense.

    —————

    they’re up against the cap – if they blow their whole exemption on Chandler they can’t sign another impact player.

  172. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    “His 88-90 mph fastball bumps 92, and it plays up because of the deceptive angles created by his lanky body [Ed. note: 6-foot-6, 195 lbs.] and high front side in his delivery (video).”

    Description of Meyers via RAB.

    Thought it was funny in light of the discussion the other day about Robertson’s “deception”.

  173. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    they’re up against the cap – if they blow their whole exemption on Chandler they can’t sign another impact player.

    —————–

    They have the full mid level (starting at 5 mill per) or they can make a trade.

  174. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Some speculating the Knicks will offer Amare for CP3. CP loves Tyson and best friends with Melo.

  175. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
    spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    Yankees stack up great against the Angels:

    CC = Weaver
    Haren > Nova
    Wilson > AJ
    Santana > Garcia

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I don?t know which position your coming from, Wilson and Santana matchups don?t favor the Yanks.

    ———————————————————————————————————–

    I was being sarcastic……….CC and Weaver is a wash, and all the other pitching matchups heavily favor the Angels

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Thought you were, I can now see your using the carat sign for greater than :-)

  176. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
    they’re up against the cap – if they blow their whole exemption on Chandler they can’t sign another impact player.

    —————–

    They have the full mid level (starting at 5 mill per) or they can make a trade.

    ———–

    It would have to be a trade – I just looked at the FA market and there’s not a single PG out there that I would waste money on.

  177. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    CP3 is great friends with Tyson Chandler, Amare and Melo. I’m sure these guys all have a plan in place.

  178. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    CP3, Melo, Amare and Chandler on one team would truly be amazing!

  179. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Source: Angels and Marlins fighting over CP3#lebronwantstotrybaseballlikemj

  180. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Yankees offering Romine to the Mets for Niese.

  181. yanks 27 December 8th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    “Some speculating the Knicks will offer Amare for CP3. CP loves Tyson and best friends with Melo.”

    Yeah, I read that too. I wouldn’t be against it.

    If they can get Nash somehow, I wouldn’t mind Nash-Melo-Chandler-Amare

  182. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    As for why Wilson and Pujols rejected higher offers from the Marlins, I believe both realized Miami has a 1 yr Plan. With Ozzie running the show, year 1 = “Horray For Capt. Spalding”. From that point forward it’s, “The Day The Earth Stood Still”.

  183. Jerkface December 8th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    the thing about the posting system is the blind auction. if i remember correctly, people thought there would be a 15 to 20 million fee to get to dice-k. the yankees put in ~25, if i am correct. at the time, cashman said he was really nervous that he had put in too large of a bid. then the red sox became the bronx sox and bid 51.

    Yankees bid 32-34, Mets bid 37, Rangers I think were at the low 30s as well. Red Sox just … went overboard. Thats why I think that most Darvish bids will be in the 40s. Because no team wants to be the one who overspends by 20 million.

  184. Melk Man December 8th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    The only thing I’m not in love with using the amnesty on Billips when it could potentially be saved for Amare or CP3 if their knees blow up.

    Chandler would be awesome though. No more garbage players getting uncontested layups in the paint late in the game.

  185. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Chip

    For real?

  186. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    “Yankees offering Romine to the Mets for Niese.”

    Link?

  187. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    The amnesty thing is stupid. No way that happens. The Knicks can easily trade Billups.

  188. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Chip – If I’m Alderson, I do that trade in a second.

  189. Mike Ri December 8th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Chip — do you have a link ?

  190. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Why on earth the Met’s did not trade Reyes defies logic. Same exact mistake the Nats made when they allowed Soriano to walk.

  191. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    I’d definitely do Romine for Niese.

  192. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    I don’t know that much about Niese, thought of him as nothing special. If true, Cash and Eppler must see something to use Romine.

  193. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
    Chip

    For real?

    ———-

    Well Fransayso just threw it out there – take it for what you will. “We all heard about the Yankees offering August Romine for Jon Niese…I would rather have Gio Gonzalez but Niese would be good for the Yankees”

  194. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    ,I’d definitely do Romine for Niese.”

    Its fair most likely…..not sure how impact Niese is though. I like him though.

  195. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    hey – what do you know – there actually is an article about it:

    http://newyorkpost.com/p/sport.....1zPkFs9LTO

  196. cityofdreams27x December 8th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    If I’m Cashman, I explore what St Louis might offer for Teixeira . They have $, need a first baseman and Teixeira only has what 4 or 5 years left? Can’t be much more than $100 million. Go after Prince. He is a better hitter now and a better fit than Teixeira. You lose defense and a switch hitter but he is a much bigger threat than Teixeira is in the 5 hole. He might hit 30hrs in Yankee Stadium alone.

  197. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
    ,I’d definitely do Romine for Niese.”

    Its fair most likely…..not sure how impact Niese is though. I like him though.

    ————-

    I don’t think any Yankee fan would hesitate on that – I think the Mets might want more.

  198. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Jerkface December 8th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
    the thing about the posting system is the blind auction. if i remember correctly, people thought there would be a 15 to 20 million fee to get to dice-k. the yankees put in ~25, if i am correct. at the time, cashman said he was really nervous that he had put in too large of a bid. then the red sox became the bronx sox and bid 51.

    Yankees bid 32-34, Mets bid 37, Rangers I think were at the low 30s as well. Red Sox just … went overboard. Thats why I think that most Darvish bids will be in the 40s. Because no team wants to be the one who overspends by 20 million.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    The logic seems reasonable, but I got to believe there is a loose cannon out there somewhere. Probably a few teams that also don’t want to loose the bid. I suspect your right, but I see the Yankees bidding higher this go around, I don’t think they want to loose the guy.

  199. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Niese is nice #4 or #5, nothing more, nothing less.

  200. jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    The Red Sox really screwed the posting process up with that huge overbid. That said, even though Yu is obviously better than Matsuzaka, I don’t think the bidding reaches 60, and the most I could imagine is 55-ish. And like JF said it may not even reach 50. Given the payroll of the Japanese teams, I don’t think they would be too “insulted” with a posting fee in the 40-millions.

  201. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Yanks made a call to inquire about Niese, though there were no indications it was more than exploratory. In catching prospect Austin Romine, the Yanks have just the kind of player the Mets are looking for if they trade Niese: a young, inexpensive, controllable position player in an area of need.

    That’s the quote from Sherman’s column. It puts it in context.

  202. kd December 8th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    tex has a no trade clause, he’d require an extension to be traded

  203. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    cityofdreams27x December 8th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
    If I’m Cashman, I explore what St Louis might offer for Teixeira . They have $, need a first baseman and Teixeira only has what 4 or 5 years left? Can’t be much more than $100 million. Go after Prince. He is a better hitter now and a better fit than Teixeira. You lose defense and a switch hitter but he is a much bigger threat than Teixeira is in the 5 hole. He might hit 30hrs in Yankee Stadium alone.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Tex has not yet overstayed his welcome, Yanks really like him hence he goes nowhere except 161st street. Pivot year for him though, can he return to the hitter he used to be? One of the big questions going forward.

  204. cityofdreams27x December 8th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    You’re right, forgot about that.. He has a full no trade clause. So pretty much we are stuck with him until 2017.

  205. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    Yanks made a call to inquire about Niese, though there were no indications it was more than exploratory. In catching prospect Austin Romine, the Yanks have just the kind of player the Mets are looking for if they trade Niese: a young, inexpensive, controllable position player in an area of need.

    That’s the quote from Sherman’s column. It puts it in context.

    —————-

    Yeah – Fransayso just threw it out there as if something was close.

    speaking of Fransayso – my guess is that he knows about as much about Gio as he did about Nate McLouth whom he was pining for two years ago.

  206. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    That’s not exactly the same thing as they offered Romine for Niese

  207. cityofdreams27x December 8th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    It’s not about overstaying his welcome. I never said he wasn’t a great player but Prince is a better fit for the team and the ballpark. Plus he can hit in April and October :)

  208. CB December 8th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Don’t think Romine was offered for Niese. That part was only Sherman speculating. Seems that what he was reporting was that the Yankees inquired on Niese in an exploratory fashion. Sherman than speculates Romine would be the kind of player the mets are looking for:

    “he Mets are talking to multiple teams about Jonathon Niese, with the Red Sox, Blue Jays, Padres and Rockies showing the most interest, The Post has learned.

    In fact, even the Yanks made a call to inquire about Niese, though there were no indications it was more than exploratory. In catching prospect Austin Romine, the Yanks have just the kind of player the Mets are looking for if they trade Niese: a young, inexpensive, controllable position player in an area of need. “

  209. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Nix on the NL Chuckers coming over to the AL East\Niese. It’s OK if you do it July 31 with a possible playoff opponent in mind Boston\Wandy. In general No Soap. I woulda stayed away from Ubaldo also.

  210. jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    It has been a long time since the Yankees traded with the Mets, hasn’t it? I never really understood that, as they are in different leagues.

  211. blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Jon Heyman @Jon_Heyman 6m #dbacks talking to a’s about gio gonzalez and trevor cahill

  212. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    Yanks made a call to inquire about Niese, though there were no indications it was more than exploratory. In catching prospect Austin Romine, the Yanks have just the kind of player the Mets are looking for if they trade Niese: a young, inexpensive, controllable position player in an area of need.

    That’s the quote from Sherman’s column. It puts it in context.

    —————-

    Yeah – Fransayso just threw it out there as if something was close.

    speaking of Fransayso – my guess is that he knows about as much about Gio as he did about Nate McLouth whom he was pining for two years ago.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I don’t get Yes down here, just to change the subject what has he been saying about Coughlin as of late? Is his job on the line?

  213. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    blake December 8th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    That’s not exactly the same thing as they offered Romine for Niese

    —————-

    Yeah I know – I broke the 12th Commandment “thou shall not take Mike Francessa seriously”

  214. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I like Niese a lot. I think he is going to take a big step forward next season.

  215. kd December 8th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    thanks for the correction jerface

  216. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
    It has been a long time since the Yankees traded with the Mets, hasn’t it? I never really understood that, as they are in different leagues.

    ————-

    Robin Ventura for David Justice I think.

    It’s a PR thing – the Mets don’t want to see a player they send across town do well nor do the Yankees want to see a player they traded away to the Mets thrive there for years.

  217. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Chip – lol…

  218. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    I like Niese a lot. I think he is going to take a big step forward next season.

    ————-

    I would love to get him – I think that unless Alderson is going senile there’s very little chance he sends him to the Yankees for just Austin Romine.

  219. austinmac December 8th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    The team cannot act or not act based upon Cole Hamels. I would say it is at least 50-50 he stays with the Phillies, but if he does not, their will be plenty of competition. $20M+ for Hamels probably does not work under the $189M budget plan with all the other long term, high end contracts. The new CBA will be a huge factor in keeping the Yankees from very high salary deals.

  220. Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Why would we be looking to trade Tex now exactly???

  221. Melk Man December 8th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears

    Warriors believe Tyson Chandler is going to Knicks and have moved on to looking at other free agents, a source tells @YahooSports

  222. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Forget Niese. If I’m calling the Mets about a player it’s Murphy. Lotta upside and versatility there.

  223. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
    Why would we be looking to trade Tex now exactly???

    ———-

    We’re not.

  224. Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    So Olney says Yankees aren’t even sure they are bidding on Darvish.

    This makes zero sense.

  225. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    You got guys wanting to trade TEX because he hit 30+ Hr’s and drove in over 100. Brillant

  226. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    Forget Niese. If I’m calling the Mets about a player it’s Murphy. Lotta upside and versatility there.

    ———-

    Can I have both?

    Niese and Murphy to the Yankees for Nunez, Romine and Phelps?

  227. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    So Olney says Yankees aren’t even sure they are bidding on Darvish.

    This makes zero sense.

    ————-

    Well that’s because Olney can’t write “The Yankees won’t tell me what they’re bidding on Darvish”

  228. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    NIX on the NL Chuckers.

  229. m December 8th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    The Yankees should emphatically deny they are bidding on Yu due to budget constraints.

    And then proceed to do what they were going to do all along.

    Which is bid on Yu.

  230. RadioKev December 8th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    I’m not sure if anyone said this yet.. but no one will be $75 million on Darvish. That’s just hyperbole.

  231. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Yankees should make a HUGE bid on Darvish. Basically do an Al Haig and say, “I’m in charge Now”.

  232. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    @YankeeSource
    The best thing that could happen for the Yankees regarding Darvish is Randy Levine getting involved. #Soriano

  233. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Chip – why the interest in Daniel Murphy? Being in NY, I have seen him play the IF when I tune in the Mets’ games on SNY. The guy is a danger to himself. And his bat is nothing special.

    His career has been derailed by injury, and the Mets moving him around. But, I haven’t seen anything to make him someone I would trade for.

  234. dogface December 8th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Off topic, but for you hoop fans out there, it appears the Knicks are about to land Tyson Chandler.

    Somewhere, Chris Paul weeps.

  235. yanks 27 December 8th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    ESPNSteinLine
    Now to see if Knicks elect to put Amare Stoudemire in trade proposals to New Orleans for CP3. Sources say it’s one option Knicks considering

  236. austinmac December 8th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Reality check–Every time Cashman opens his mouth he mentions payroll constraints, budgetary concerns, the present reality etc. We, as fans, all hope he isn’t being candid. The winter meetings, last years trade deadline, the new CBA all scream that is the new reality. I see no reason to believe the Yankees will pay big money to Darvish just as I didn’t believe they would give it to the free agents pitchers. Why did I believe that? Cashman has said so a million times.

    I wish it were otherwise, but I think Darvish and Cespedes are wishful thinking. Soler is perhaps possible.

  237. blake December 8th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Busters sources aren’t the best.

  238. m December 8th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    I think it will end up being around $45M. Yes, Yu is better than Matsuzaka, but that Boston bid was stupid.

    I don’t think the Sox are serious players, as they are still paying for an unproductive Matsuzaka. So, there really is no need to block the Sox. Angels are out. The Rangers might be dumb enough, but they’re supposedly broke?

  239. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    When Murphy got hurt, he had the 4th highest BA in the NL. As I said, Lotta upside.

  240. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Seriously – I don’t understand the people who take what “unnamed sources” tell these insiders as gospel.

    Do you really think Brian Cashman (or any other GM) is dumb enough to turn to a guy like Buster or Heyman and say “yeah, this is what my plan is and these are the guys I’m going after, but hey – don’t tell anyone alright”

    I mean the rumors are fun and all – but if you think these insiders are getting legit info from their “sources” then please contact me about purchasing some bridges in the greater NYC area…thank you.

  241. J. Alfred Prufrock December 8th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Erin December 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am
    AndrewMarchand Cashman said that Pujols’ bat is “Montero-like.” #ThelegendofMonte
    ////

    :D
    You go, Cash.

  242. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    The Yanks certainly did NOT pinch-pennies with CC a month ago. The Have and WILL pay for players they deem to be “difference makers”.

  243. 108 stitches December 8th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Pending the Darvish and Burnett decisions, I see 2 pitchers that (might) interest Cashman coming from the non tendered list next week.
    One as a starter and one as a bullpen LH.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....dates.html

  244. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    I would get rid of Amare if the Knicks can land Tyson Chandler and CP 3. Amare is an injury waiting to happen.

  245. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    Chip – why the interest in Daniel Murphy? Being in NY, I have seen him play the IF when I tune in the Mets’ games on SNY. The guy is a danger to himself. And his bat is nothing special.

    His career has been derailed by injury, and the Mets moving him around. But, I haven’t seen anything to make him someone I would trade for.

    —————-

    Joe – Think of Murphy like Eric Hinske or Ben Zobrist – he’s a great guy to have on the bench in that he can play all over the field (except CF, SS and C) which – given the age on this club – is a nice thing to have. He’s got gap power which would increase getting out of Citi Field and makes very little.

  246. austinmac December 8th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Chip,

    Since the unsuccessful attempt to get Lee, Cashman has not tried to spend any significant money on anyone. In fact, he has repeatedly said he can’t.

    Why in the world does anyone think he is going to spend huge money on Darvish? Pitching, pitching, pitching means Garcia, Meyer and Cabral.

  247. J. Alfred Prufrock December 8th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    champ809 December 8th, 2011 at 11:21 am
    Blake

    You must know that ARod was on HGH on ’07….right!?!?

    Pujols is without a doubt the best RH hitter of the last 50yrs.
    ////

    Pujols is magnificent. But squeaky clean? I doubt that. Look at his body. Tons of these guys use something in one form or another. Just because is goes undetected or the guy hasn’t been outed, let’s not be naive. Sure, it’s possible he’s never done anything…..barely.

  248. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Trading Amare for CP3 would be seriously cutthroat. It would be tough to swallow but likely make the Knicks a better team.

  249. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    The guy who’s star has fallen for the Mets is Wright. They oughtta trade him Before his value drops any further. Prior to moving into that new graveyard, he was a Met Untouchable.

  250. jacksquat December 8th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Darvish is a bit different, because:

    1) no draft pick loss
    2) no prospect loss
    3) roughly half of the money won’t count against the luxury tax threshold, which is very important if they are really trying to get under it by 2014.

  251. J. Alfred Prufrock December 8th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    m1kew December 8th, 2011 at 11:27 am
    Erin December 8th, 2011 at 11:18 am
    JackCurryYES Cashman wouldn’t divulge if Yanks will bid on Darvish. Said history with international pitchers gives them experience in this area

    Interesting that Cashman said “international pitchers” rather than Japanese pitchers. One might make a case that they have had favorable results from International pitchers whereas they could not say the same about Japanese pitchers.
    ///

    Nice pickup on the subtle word choice. You may be onto something, that they view him “favorably,” and might be pre-empting any criticism for signing a “Japanese” pitcher.

  252. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Ticketmaster is moving pretty slow, I’m waiting still on conformation of my ST tickets. :-(

  253. Against All Odds December 8th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    # LGY December 8th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Trading Amare for CP3 would be seriously cutthroat. It would be tough to swallow but likely make the Knicks a better team.

    —————————————

    Is that real or are ppl just suggesting it?

  254. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    austinmac December 8th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
    Chip,

    Since the unsuccessful attempt to get Lee, Cashman has not tried to spend any significant money on anyone. In fact, he has repeatedly said he can’t.

    Why in the world does anyone think he is going to spend huge money on Darvish? Pitching, pitching, pitching means Garcia, Meyer and Cabral.

    ———

    I think when Cashman says that he “can’t” spend significant money what he is trying to not say is “Sure I can spend money – but I’m not going to spend it on this garbage”

  255. Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Get Darvish.
    Get that mystery lefty from Taiwan.
    Get at least one Cuban.
    Get a couple Scandanavians to tide us over during the cooooold NY April.

    Call it an off-season.

  256. dogface December 8th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Trading Amare for CP3 would be seriously cutthroat. It would be tough to swallow but likely make the Knicks a better team

    ==========================

    Probably need to involve a 3rd team. Can’t see any reason why NO would take on Stoudemire’s contract.

  257. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Is that real or are ppl just suggesting it?

    —————–

    Marc Stein and Broussard are both saying the Knicks are considering it.

  258. blake December 8th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    That Pujols quote from Cash was hilarious.

  259. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
    Get Darvish.
    Get that mystery lefty from Taiwan.
    Get at least one Cuban.
    Get a couple Scandanavians to tide us over during the cooooold NY April.

    Call it an off-season.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Nick, no one from San Fran in the mix :-)

  260. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    We heard the same rhetoric outta Cashman in regard to signing TEX. End of story.

  261. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    LGY December 8th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    Trading Amare for CP3 would be seriously cutthroat. It would be tough to swallow but likely make the Knicks a better team.

    —————-

    I think they can get Paul without having to trade Amare – spin off Billups to try to get some assets that the Hornets would actually be interested in for Paul in a 3 team deal?

  262. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    That said, if you have Paul, Amare, Melo and Chandler I don’t think you have enough shots to make everyone happy.

  263. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Fatcessa and Heyman should get together and just rattle off their terrible personal opinions at each other. That could be good entertainment.

  264. austinmac December 8th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Chip,

    I think I am hoping, against hope someone will give me one fact, and not hope, suggesting Cashman is willing to spend a very large amount of money with the current budget. I have seen none. Every word has been a caution given to the fans not to expect it.

  265. dogface December 8th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    I think they can get Paul without having to trade Amare

    ===========================

    Only if the trade Anthony instead.

  266. Mike Ri December 8th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Get Darvish.
    Get that mystery lefty from Taiwan.
    Get at least one Cuban.
    Get a couple Scandanavians to tide us over during the cooooold NY April.

    Call it an off-season.

    ————-
    LOL LOL LOL

  267. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Source: Rotoworld

    Juan Carlos Oviedo was arrested on Thursday in his native Dominican Republic and will be brought to trial on charges of using a false identity.
    We originally heard that Oviedo (formerly known as Leo Nunez) would not face any charges after admitting to using a fake identity, but that’s apparently not the case. The Marlins placed him on the restricted list in September, but it’s not clear how that will affect his non-tender status. Regardless, it doesn’t sound like he will be returning to the United States in the near future. Stay tuned. Dec 8 – 2:09 PM
    Source: Associated Press

  268. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    OTOH a Tyson-Amare-Melo front court would be insane. Very interested to see what the next move is.

    Maybe bring in a stopgap and convince Nash to reunite with D’antoni and Amare next year.

  269. Against All Odds December 8th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    # Chip December 8th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    That said, if you have Paul, Amare, Melo and Chandler I don’t think you have enough shots to make everyone happy.

    ——————————

    Yes you would Paul is a pass first pg and Chandler is a defensive minded center.

  270. Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    austinmac, were there any “facts” out there that suggested that the budget would allow for Soriano before they imported his glowing smile? Or before they signed Tex?

    I don’t think such facts are usually accessible to fans before the deals get done.

  271. Pat M. December 8th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Angels have one heck of a rotation……..Bullpen depth is average but Walden will only get better…….100 win team ??? A very dangerous ballclub

  272. austinmac December 8th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Donneybrook,

    By the way, great name.

    I hope you are right. That was a long time ago, and things have changed. It just seems very unlikely to me. If I am wrong, I will very happily admit it.

  273. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    pat m – I don’t see how Pujols and Wilson are going to win them an extra 15 games.

  274. Chip December 8th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    austinmac December 8th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    Chip,

    I think I am hoping, against hope someone will give me one fact, and not hope, suggesting Cashman is willing to spend a very large amount of money with the current budget. I have seen none. Every word has been a caution given to the fans not to expect it.

    ——————

    Who would you have given big money to in either of the last two offseasons that Cashman passed on? Last year he was willing to offer what $27 mil/year for Cliff Lee right?

    I think his caution to the fans is legit in that he’s not going to spend on a player he doesn’t want/need (CJ Wilson) just to satisfy the fans’ desire to see the Yankees make a big splash. But if there’s a player he wants to get – he’s going to spend to do it.

  275. Gary December 8th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    austinmac December 8th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    Chip,

    I think I am hoping, against hope someone will give me one fact, and not hope, suggesting Cashman is willing to spend a very large amount of money with the current budget. I have seen none. Every word has been a caution given to the fans not to expect it.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Your right that was done to lower expectations and it’s been right on everyone so far. He’s been talking up at every opportunity the current team. Basically he appears to be driving the bus right now, wonder if he doesn’t win and follows this stand pat strategy if he’s going to get his head handed to him.

  276. RhapsodyInBlue December 8th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Knicks on the move. Woo hoo!

  277. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Against All Odds December 8th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    # Chip December 8th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    That said, if you have Paul, Amare, Melo and Chandler I don’t think you have enough shots to make everyone happy.

    ??????????

    Yes you would Paul is a pass first pg and Chandler is a defensive minded center.

    ————————————————————————————————————-

    EXACTLY!!

  278. austinmac December 8th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Nick,

    Soriano was not Cashman, and I suspect Levine has his tail between his legs for that one. The new CBA is a strong reason to have at least one season under $189M. Cashman has seemed pretty candid in the last couple of years. Obviously, he won’t tip his hand, but he has gone far beyond reticence to talk about spending.

    On the subject we discussed a few days ago, bowl game shafts, as a TCU grad I am well aware of it. I hope they kick some can in the Big 12(or whatever the appropriate number).

  279. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Hey can we leave basketball talk with the religion and politics talk… not on this message board? Pro Basketball sucks.

  280. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    I rather have CP3, Melo and Chandler over Melo, Amare and Chandler

  281. upstate kate December 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    breaking news…2 shot at VT campus, shooter at large

  282. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
    Hey can we leave basketball talk with the religion and politics talk? not on this message board? Pro Basketball sucks.

    ———————————————————————————-

    You must be a hockey fan.

  283. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Gary – if he doesn’t win and follows this stand pat strategy

    They didn’t fire him any of the other years the team didn’t win the world series… i don’t know why they would start now. Preparing an organization for a successful season is his job, not winning the world series. That’s the players’ job.

  284. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    spidanyc – No, Hockey can be discussed along with Basketball… somewhere else.

  285. LGY December 8th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    100 wins for the Angels?

    That’s Red Soxian circa December 2010.

  286. yanks 27 December 8th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    OTOH a Tyson-Amare-Melo front court would be insane. Very interested to see what the next move is.

    Maybe bring in a stopgap and convince Nash to reunite with D’antoni and Amare next year.

    ————

    Yeah, either way, we are in a good position today (assuming this deal gets completed).

    Will be exciting to see how it unfolds

  287. Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    austinmac: Soriano was not a Cashman call, but it’s still the same team budget. There were no facts floating out there that suggested there was room in the budget for Soriano before he was signed, regardless who in the front office pushed for the deal.

    If your point is that no one can convince you that there’s room in the budget for Darvish, I will concede that you’re probably right, no one will have facts to convince you. We’ll see soon enough, while keeping in mind that a big chunk of the Darvish freight will not appear on the same line as the team’s payroll.

    ID: basketball talk not the same as verboten topics, no sail. Sorry.

  288. Against All Odds December 8th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    # upstate kate December 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    breaking news…2 shot at VT campus, shooter at large

    ——————-

    Francesa reported this earlier. Crazy for them to be going through that again.

  289. Melk Man December 8th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Remember when the likes of Roy Hibbert and Tyler Hansborough were getting career highs against the Knicks frontline?

  290. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Nick – It is to me, I’ll remember that the next time someone tells me to be quiet.

  291. Against All Odds December 8th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    # spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    I rather have CP3, Melo and Chandler over Melo, Amare and Chandler

    ———————-

    Well the talk now is the Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets are in talks for a 3 team trade.

  292. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    So let’s say Cashman negotiates a $10 Mill per for The Pachinko Kid. That aint gonna bust the Yankee budget. This is a Last Chance opportunity in regard to the bidding fee not being applied to the team salary. Cashman and the Rangers are Not gonna pass up this opportunity. And those are the 2 deep pocket teams that are gonna be 1 and 2 in the bidding.

  293. spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Against All Odds December 8th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    # spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    I rather have CP3, Melo and Chandler over Melo, Amare and Chandler

    ???????-

    Well the talk now is the Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets are in talks for a 3 team trade.

    ———————————————————————————————————–

    Let them talk. CP3 has made it clear that he wants to play with both Tyson Chandler and Melo.

  294. Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    I meant ‘no sale’, not ‘no sail’. America’s Cup chat is permitted.

    ID: you don’t like hoops chat. Understood. It’s still not the same as common-sense forbidden topics. If someone chides you for mentioning football or the joys of train travel, you’d be right not to be deterred.

  295. dogface December 8th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    And those are the 2 deep pocket teams that are gonna be 1 and 2 in the bidding.

    ==========================

    Think the Nats are going to be in the thick of that as well.

  296. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    -DOG-
    Nats have been quiet since the Werth Debacle. I figure right now they are doin’ a Gretta Garbo.

  297. Pat M. December 8th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    LGY…..I think The Angels are closer to 100 wins than they are to 90…….I guess you’re bravo about them being shut out and disappointing their fan base were just a little off …….Well it’s going to be even more of an adventure going to see The Yanks for the next 4-5 years when they come to Anaheim………Just think, CJ Wilson is going to be their 4th starter……I’m certain Scoscia will slot him behind Weaver though…….

  298. Against All Odds December 8th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    # spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Against All Odds December 8th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    # spidanyc December 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    I rather have CP3, Melo and Chandler over Melo, Amare and Chandler

    ???????-

    Well the talk now is the Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets are in talks for a 3 team trade.

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    Let them talk. CP3 has made it clear that he wants to play with both Tyson Chandler and Melo.

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    True but if the lakers do get him I could see him staying there.

  299. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    <i.Just think, CJ Wilson is going to be their 4th starter

    lol… no he is not.

  300. Irreverent Discourse December 8th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Nick – Not talking about the wrong sport on a baseball blog seems pretty common sense to me :)

  301. Melk Man December 8th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Pujols will never get a pitch to hit in a big spot… going to be up to Abreu, Trumbo, etc.

  302. m December 8th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Pat M.

    Arod and Pujols will be duking it out for years. Walkers and all!

  303. Pat M. December 8th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    NICK IN SF…..Made some coin last night on Iona….

  304. Patrick December 8th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    lol… no he is not.

    Ok 3rd starter then

  305. Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    ID: same goes for every other non-baseball topic which gets frequently discussed here. None of which should be lumped in with politics and religion.

  306. blake December 8th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    The Angels are certainly better than they were yesterday……still have some holes though and Id still pick Texas to win that division right now.

  307. blake December 8th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    One thing is for sure though…..its not the best day for the Mariners or A’s……..or Astros for that matter.

  308. Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Pat M, I need to get on this Iona gravy train… what do you think the winning Yu Darvish bid will be? Who will make that bid????

  309. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    The Angels don’t worry me. This is an OLD, VERY OLD offensive team. Wells, Hunter, Abreu, AND Pujols, and a Closer that was horrible in Sept. I’m Not worried in the least. Besides, the Yanks can fine tune after getting Darvish come July 31.

    – BULLETIN -
    Homer Gammons just declared Texas the front runner in the Darvish Derby.

  310. blake December 8th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Dipoto is probably sitting there thinking……man without that Vernon Wells trade Id still have Napoli and Id have 25 million bucks to go sign Aramis and bullpen help.

  311. J. Alfred Prufrock December 8th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    People can discuss whatever suits them here.

    I don’t watch the NBA, either, but I’m certainly not so self-absorbed as to think anyone here who

    wishes to occasionally discuss it needs to be called out on it, or ridiculed for it, for heaven’s sake. The

    occasional digression here is perfectly alright. What isn’t, is some sort of militant, prosaic, self-serving garbage about “sticking to baseball.”

  312. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    The downside to getting Pujols is Trumbo. The guy hit 29 HR’s assa rookie, and all the sudden issa guy without a position.

  313. m December 8th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    WOW. Looking at the Angels spreadsheet on Cot’s. Wells will make $24M. Not sure how much Toronto is paying, looks like a signing bonus of $3.6M is being paid over the next 3 years by Toronto.

    Right now they’re at $103, not including the ~$40M for Pujols & CJ. They’ve been 2nd place in the FA game for so many years, they’ve got a nice little budget to spend.

  314. Melk Man December 8th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Rangers are still better

    Better offense, better bullpen. Feliz in the rotation has a chance to be great for them and they still have a chance at Darvish. Plus have one of the 3 best farms in the league to get some more pitching. And they are still in the running for Fielder

    Rangers will still come out on top

  315. Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    They already were discussing a Trumbo move to the OF when Morales returned anyway.

  316. bruceb December 8th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
    The Angels don’t worry me. This is an OLD, VERY OLD offensive team.

    Wouldn’t exactly describe the Yankees lineup as the fountain of youth. The fact of the matter is that the Angels have just got significantly better while the Yanks are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle for the second year running with Freddy Garcia and A.N. Other. All I hear from Francesa each and every day is that the Yankees were one clutch hit away from reaching the ALDS. If only it were as simple as that.

  317. 108 stitches December 8th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    As mentioned before, these winter meetings are not the be all – end all of player transactions. Cashman has until the end of spring training to fit the roster to what he and Girardi feel comfortable with leading up to the 7/31 trading deadline.

  318. Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Angles offense will be potent. They are adding Trout, Morales at some point, Pujulous and Ianetta.

    They have Wilson, Haren, Santana and Weaver – superior to the Rangers by a mile.

    And then bullpens.

    I’d take the Angels any day of the week in a playoff series.

  319. m December 8th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Is Vernon Wells still a good OF? What’s their OF going to look like? Torii can still play a good RF, but not sure about Wells. And what’s happenin’ with Bobby Abooboo?

  320. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    True, Angels are better, which makes life much tougher on Texas with the unbalanced schedule. IF, the Yanks win the Darvish bidding, they will be the team to beat period.

  321. m December 8th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Ya, Rangers pitching staff as a whole is a house of cards atm.

  322. Pat M. December 8th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    m….The Angels draw 3 million but you can expect their road numbers to jump……Anyone who picks Texas in the AL West needs to re-examine the equation…..Texas took a big hit and the Angels are much better

  323. Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Wells in LF, Trout in CF and Trumbo in RF? Or switch Wells and Trumbo?

    Abreu is the odd many out but he is done. Morales at DH. Not sure when he is supposed to be healthy, but Big Al and Morales lefty righty is a nice combo.

  324. Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Oh boy forgot they have Hunter and Wells !!!

  325. Phranchise December 8th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Abreu batted .255 in 2010, .253 in 2011. I am sure they will unload him as soon as they can.

    They may be stuck with Hunter and Wells. You have to believe then that Trumbo or Morales is traded.

    They have to open up a spot for Trout unless they want him in the minors this year again. But he is far too talented.

  326. blake December 8th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    “Anyone who picks Texas in the AL West needs to re-examine the equation…”

    I think Texas will add a pitcher at some point and they still have a better offense and bullpen…..the Wild card could be how Feliz translates to starting but right now I still think the Rangers will be better overall by opening day.

  327. Mgumpher December 8th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    The Angels almost caught the Rangers last season. The additions/subtractions seem to favor the Angels pretty significantly.

    It will be interesting to see how things go, but looking at the two teams, I’d say the Angels have the edge.

  328. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Why would the yankees want or have any use for Daniel Murphy? He has an ok bat, but, if he goes on the field without a batting helmet and bat, it had better be to help drag the infield between innings. He needs to bury his glove under two tons of dog crap. It certainly couldn’t make the glove stink any worse.

  329. Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    BTW, has CJ Wilson texted any dead-animal pics to Ian Kinsler yet?

  330. blake December 8th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    We shall see……they should both leave the rest of the division in the dust though. Both should be good……..

  331. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    If Morales ever comes back to close to what he was, I’d be surprised. He can barely walk. Looks like Casey Stengel walking around.

  332. tomingeorgia December 8th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    GB7,
    Why don’t you tell us what you really think?

  333. DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    What, and Nunez is Mark Belanger out there? I really like Murphy, and could see him as at Least a Super Sub.

  334. dogface December 8th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    If Morales ever comes back to close to what he was, I’d be surprised. He can barely walk. Looks like Casey Stengel walking around.

    ========================

    Some talk this morning that the Angels don’t believe he’ll be good to go on Opening Day.

  335. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Love how the people that have decided that Niese will finally find it, but figure that Hughes is toast.

  336. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 8th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
    What, and Nunez is Mark Belanger out there? I really like Murphy, and could see him as at Least a Super Sub.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Super Sub? Only if he sinks his glove.

  337. blake December 8th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 3h What if Kendry Morales had never jumped on home plate after that walkoff HR? Would Pujols be with #Angels today?

  338. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    blake – that is one interesting question. Talk about Wally Pipp.

  339. yankeefeminista December 8th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Poor Morales. At least this time they will bring him back slowly. Got him running on a treadmill that takes some weight off his legs.

    Glad to see Ravel is progressing nicely, but Adams still can’t run properly since his ankle injury.

    Anyone participating in the Trenton Thunder eBay auction? All money goes to a good cause, the Domestic Violence Project. Check it out:
    http://www.ebay.com/sch/clubso.....ksid=p3686

  340. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Nick in SF December 8th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    BTW, has CJ Wilson texted any dead-animal pics to Ian Kinsler yet?

    ***********************

    :lol:

  341. Patrick December 8th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    I’m not sure why Murphy catches so much flak for his fielding, he’s actually not bad at all.

  342. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    MLB_PR On Mon @CC_Sabathia & @AmberSabathia will host holiday party @MLBFanCave. 1st 100 fans to bring canned food get pic. @YankeesPR

  343. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Here’s an interesting one –

    Albert Pujols turned his back on St. Louis, after the Cards had offered him one heck of a contract, and the St. Louis fans had showered him with all sorts of adulation. I can only imagine the sense of betrayal being felt by the citizens there, who are devoted to that baseball team.

    Do the Cardinal fans burn their Pujols jerseys? When Albert comes KC to play the Royals, do Missouri baseball fans show up and shower him with boos and jeers, similar to the treatment that Alex gets in Seattle and Texas?

    This would be an interesting topic for Chad, being a Missouri boy, to look into.

  344. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Murphy is to fielding (at any position) as Ramiro Pena is to power hitting.

  345. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
    Here’s an interesting one –

    Albert Pujols turned his back on St. Louis, after the Cards had offered him one heck of a contract, and the St. Louis fans had showered him with all sorts of adulation. I can only imagine the sense of betrayal being felt by the citizens there, who are devoted to that baseball team.

    Do the Cardinal fans burn their Pujols jerseys? When Albert comes KC to play the Royals, do Missouri baseball fans show up and shower him with boos and jeers, similar to the treatment that Alex gets in Seattle and Texas?

    This would be an interesting topic for Chad, being a Missouri boy, to look into.

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    Makes you think that another shoe will drop concerning Pujols…whether it’s the truth about his age or enhancement. He’s no longer the fair-haired boy, the Tom Sawyer of the Mississippi.

  346. Erin December 8th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    New Post: Darvish is in the mix; are the Yankees?

    :arrow:

  347. Patrick December 8th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Murphy is to fielding (at any position) as Ramiro Pena is to power hitting.

    Not really

  348. Villa Nova-Ya December 8th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    GB7 -

    I was having the same thoughts regarding Pujols leaving St. Louis having some repercussions.

    I think in the playoffs we saw some sides of Albert we hadn’t seen. What have the St. Louis media been sitting on for the last little while, in anticipating of just this occurence?


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