Sabathia hosting holiday event in NYC
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 09, 2011 
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Just passing this along for any of you who might be in the city on Monday. Here are the details from Major League Baseball.
WHO: Yankees CC Sabathia and his wife Amber Sabathia
WHAT: The Sabathia’s will host a private Holiday party for 52 (in honor of CC’s uniform number) youngsters from the Madison Boys & Girls Club at the MLB Fan Cave on behalf of their PitCCh In Foundation. The members will take part in various activities including interactive games, karaoke, dancing, dinner and will leave with gifts for all.
Prior to the party, the first 100 fans who bring a canned food item to the MLB Fan Cave, are invited to have their picture taken with CC and Amber. The canned food donated to the MLB Food Drive benefiting City Harvest.
The MLB Fan Cave will be celebrating the holidays with a 15 foot Christmas tree that is decorated with New Era hats, baseballs signed by players who visited the Cave throughout the season and other MLB licensed merchandise and ornaments. The Cave also has a Menorah and various holiday-themed items.
WHEN: Monday, December 12th
4:00 pm – First 100 fans in line with canned food to take picture with CC and Amber Sabathia
WHERE: MLB Fan Cave, 692 Broadway (corner of 4th street and Broadway)
And will CC be dressing up as Santa??
Pat M, I took your college hoops advice…everything I’ve got, and I mean everything… on Iowa. Fingers crossed.
pat m – start clearing out the guest room… lol
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You sure about the AAV\team payroll\2014? Thanks
Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
donnybrook – Darvish has stated publicly that he will not sign if the posting fee is below Matsuzaka’s.
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link? I’ve heard only one person say that before, and I think it was you.
What more does chief need to do to prove he’s our 2nd or 3rd best pitcher?
Not 100%, I thought I remembered reading that on here actually. let me go find it.
donnybrook – Actually what I’m finding it that the luxury tax was always based off of AAV of active contracts… so I guess the only reason to backload a contract is if you plan on not having that player for the end of it.
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Thanks again. Do you also know how they are gonna calculate deferred $$$ that is being paid to retired players?
jacksquat – not a great source… but just as good as twitter i guess… :p
It stems from this article I believe…
http://nmsn.foxsports.com/mlb/.....job-120311
“I am told the club and player cannot agree on what is an acceptable posting fee,” a scouting executive with one club told Morosi.
“The player, I am told, is very quirky with a huge ego. Apparently he will feel disrespected if the post is less than Matsuzaka’s was with Boston.”
Okayyy…
Another scout who covers Japanese baseball says that Hokkaido badly wants to collect the posting fee on Darvish — and was stunned and disappointed when he chose to return to the team last season.
Hokkaido had planned to post Darvish, the scout said, and when the pitcher chose to stay in Japan, the team had to scramble to squeeze his salary into its budget.
It doesn’t make sense because the higher the posting fee is, the less his salary can be.
There is this report:
•Sponichi has mentioned that Darvish wants around US$20M a year — he puts himself at the same level of C.C. Sabathia, Roy Halladay, and Johan Santana.
The 20 mil includes the aav of the posting fee of course.
But Sponichi has been wrong and that’s not a direct quote, or even a quote at all apparently.
donnybrook – Doesn’t say, it doesn’t look like that section of the CBA changed because there’s little written on it. It should be figured in just like any other contract, just with a really low AAV because of the extra years.
In fact there have been so many reports from “sources”, “insiders”, etc. that ended up being false it’s hard to know if you can believe anything reported anymore if it’s not a direct quote.
Nick in SF…….I just called in the Iowa Iowa St. Game….I got 8.5, opened at 9.5…..
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Got it. Thanks
jacksquat – My point (from the post you quoted) was that regardless of if he said that or not, it now has to be considered by every team bidding on him. This means that any team that really wants to make sure they put in a bid that could win his services needs to bid over $51m or they are already cutting themselves short. They could end up with the high bid and then he won’t negotiate because it wasn’t “high enough”. Since that’s even an option, I don’t touch him.
Nice article on signing big FA’s and if they actually effect attendance.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....ttendance/
In regards to Texas – The attendance spike that occurred in the year they got rid of Rodriguez was 73 percent larger than the spike that they got when they acquired him.
Nick in SF….I didn’t play as heavily as you did though….I’m still licking my UCLA wounds from the Texas game, as that game set me back a little……
That $20 Mill avg including the posting fee is pretty close to my $110-$116 Mill guess.
I doubt if someone wins with a bid over 30 million that Yu will not negotiate. 30 million is a lot of money to those Japanese teams. And I very much doubt the winning bid will be any less than mid-30′s, and is likely to be 40′s or 50′s. But I don’t think it’s automatic that you have to bid over 51 or Yu doesn’t negotiate.
as i said, it’s merely something you have to keep in mind when bidding. If you bid less than $51m, you are leaving the possibility of Darvish feeling “disrespected” on your negotiating table.
Pat M, I just hope this Iowa gravy train you’ve found keeps rolling… they could take my kidney…
Forget Yu’s position. With Nollie and probably sore-head Loria in there, you gotta figure at least $55 Mill or you have automatically DQ’ed yourself.
jacksquat……..I still maintain that the bid will be more than Boston’s bid for Dice-K, and the contract will be as well……120 million at least, especially after all the dough that was being thrown around in Dallas as few days ago…..
2 off-topic announcements:
Apparently today is National Pastry Day. I had no idea such a thing existsed, but there you go.
and Christmas TV alert: Frosty the Snowman is on CBS tonight.
Carry on
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That’s a lot of semolians.
It sounds like the AAV including the posting fee is what matters, if that report is true.
I have no idea what bid could win. I’ve heard Texas has money, I’ve heard they don’t. Miami could bid big, they may not be interested. Hard to tell with them. But if Texas and Miami are out, the Yankees could be the highest bidder and it may be lower than Matsuzaka. The Yankees could put in a conservative bid and still win. I bet that’s what happened with Hiroyuki Nakajima.
Wouldn’t Darvish want the lowest posting fee possible so he can get a larger contract? At the end of the day the teams see it all as money spent. Darvish’s cut will be affected by the posting fee.
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It’s just a gut feeling. Probably completely wrong. But I think there may be some teams laying in the weeds for this guy.
I don’t think he comes cheap.
After losing Wilson, Texas is gonna be all over the Darvish bidding. Nollie is foaming at the mouth, especially after getting down to 1 strike Twice, and NOT sealing the deal.
They could be the only bidder, there’s no way to know. You can’t bid low on assumptions like that though, unless you are prepared to not win that bid.
Texas didn’t re-sign Wilson… so they have to have money out in their hands ready to be spent. Any other team I would question putting up a serious bid. Texas is the one that scares me because they are still holding $80m in their hands they thought that they were handing out already. They could make a ridiculous bid without blinking.
The real X factor is that apparently every Japanese player really wants to be with Bobby V and will all refuse to sign this year so they can be Redsocks in 2013.
I doubt Darvish cares what teams pay for his posting. He cares about the contract HE gets not what his old team gets…
Saw the Cards are looking at Beltran.
Great fit imo.
LGY, Yeah that’s a good fit but why not go after Prince Fielder? They obviously have enough money to sign him and he’s arguably a safer bet than Pujols. Maybe the cardinals are worried they can’t tap the MASSIVE latin market in St. Louis
Patrick
I think Albert was a unique situation for them. Don’t think they can justify handing out 200M unless it’s a local legend like Pujols.
They have Big Puma to play 1B.
LGY – Seems like an expensive stop-gap for Allen Craig. Would they really put Beltran in CF?
I think Albert was a unique situation for them. Don’t think they can justify handing out 200M unless it’s a local legend like Pujols.
They have Big Puma to play 1B.
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Yeah that’s true I guess. And I don’t think Prince would want to try to fill Albert’s shoes. Can you imagine going into that situation and trying to be Albert Pujols? Yikes
Irreverent Discourse December 9th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
LGY – Seems like an expensive stop-gap for Allen Craig. Would they really put Beltran in CF?
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Berkman RF -> 1B, Beltran RF
Erin December 9th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
and Christmas TV alert: Frosty the Snowman is on CBS tonight.
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Thanks. We never miss it. But my wife still crys every year when Frosty melts. #checktissuesupply
Can you imagine going into that situation and trying to be Albert Pujols? Yikes
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True. That would be really tough.
Erin,
Pastries are never off topic and rarely off my mind. I think it is time to celebrate this special day.
sammiejohnson December 9th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Thanks. We never miss it. But my wife still crys every year when Frosty melts. #checktissuesupply
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Well, it is very traumatic. I can’t say that I blame her.
do donuts count?
jacksquat – allen craig is their RF, not Berkman… Berkman is their 1B. Craig is starting the season injured, which is the only reason I can come up with for them looking at Beltran. just seems odd.
austinmac-sounds good to me
I think Darvish will get less than Dice K got, and the posting fee will be less as well.
Even though Darvish is better than Dice K was, there was more buzz and optimism over Japanese pitchers back then, and the thinking was Dice K would be a top of the rotation guy. I don’t think people are thinking that way now about Darvish.
kate-I don’t see why not
jacksquat – allen craig is their RF, not Berkman… Berkman is their 1B. Craig is starting the season injured, which is the only reason I can come up with for them looking at Beltran. just seems odd.
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Berkman played 110 games in RF in 2011. Craig played 18 games there. Berkman is now the 1b because Pujols left. Maybe they don’t have the utmost confidence in Craig despite his good 200 ab’s in 2011 (and postseason). I don’t think Beltran even wants to play CF anymore.
Wave
What do you want to see the rotation look like next year?
jacksquat –
Dec 8 INF/OF Allen Craig had surgery on his right knee a week before Thanksgiving, and the club is prepared for the possibility that he won’t be available for Opening Day and perhaps a month beyond. Craig, a World Series hero with three home runs and a couple of other big hits, had two screws placed in his right kneecap to repair the damage done when he crashed into a fence at Houston’s Minute Maid Park on June 7.
Craig had his surgery in Vail, Colo., at The Steadman Clinic, and his recovery time was pegged at four to six months, meaning he could be out until May. But Craig said, “The six months is at the far end of the spectrum. Barring a setback, (the doctors) are confident that it will take four to five months.”
This is what I was referring to.
@mlbtraderumors
D’Backs “Closing In” On Trevor Cahill bit.ly/uxkbvp #mlb
Get it done Towers. Less competition for KURODA.
I guess 2012 result will be the same as this year: lose in ALDS.
like 2011, they should have little problems to beat up avg teams, but will struggle against elite teams.
JobaTipsHisCap December 9th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
I guess 2012 result will be the same as this year: lose in ALDS.
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AMEN!! Atleast both the Knicks and Nets are making the SEXY moves this week
The yankees are not going to pay over 100 million for darvish.
Not happening,with the conservative approach cashman has taken the last few years.
I see them waiting for next years free agent pitchers.
There is no way darvish is as good as cc,so at best you have a pitcher with an era of probably over 3.5,wich is good but no guarantees.
Here’s a speculative theory. Maybe when Yu was delaying his decision on whether to be posted, he was secretly negotiating with his team to pay him some fraction of the posting fee. It would be worth it to them to give Yu, say, 20% of the posting fee if he wouldn’t otherwise agree to be posted.
Anyone know whether this would be possible?
Payroll and luxury taxes are apparently inconsequential……LOL!
jacksquat – allen craig is their RF, not Berkman… Berkman is their 1B. Craig is starting the season injured, which is the only reason I can come up with for them looking at Beltran. just seems odd.
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Why not Prince?
Although he would fit in well at 1B for the Rangers.
‘I see them waiting for next years free agent pitchers’
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By then the AAA guy(s) will be the low cost option(s) going forward to reduce payroll by 2014.
I’m guessing Yu’s posting fee is finally going to fall between 55-60 MM. And then a 5 year contract for another 55-60 for signing him. Total committment of 110-120 MM.
Wish the Yankees pony that up, because it would be heartbreaking to see him playing for the Rangers or worse the Blue Jays.
David in Cal December 9th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Here’s a speculative theory. Maybe when Yu was delaying his decision on whether to be posted, he was secretly negotiating with his team to pay him some fraction of the posting fee. It would be worth it to them to give Yu, say, 20% of the posting fee if he wouldn’t otherwise agree to be posted.
Anyone know whether this would be possible?
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I mentioned this before, half joking. I think you’d have to be fairly intiimate with the way things work in Japan and specifically the baseball business to have any real idea if this could possibly happen. Give Bobby V. a call.
like 2011, they should have little problems to beat up avg teams, but will struggle against elite teams.
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Who are the elite teams?
respect is very big in Japanese culture and great athletes have egos so I could very well see where it matters to darvish to establish the new salary record with respect to the aav of his contract being greater than Dice-K’s as I’m sure in his mind he is a better pitcher than Matsuzaka.
Similar to how Pujols wanted to break ARod’s record for the biggest contract as I’m sure in his mind he’s the superior player.
jacksquat – not a great source… but just as good as twitter i guess… :p
It stems from this article I believe…
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You keep quoting that article and then saying stuff like ‘Darvish PUBLICLY STATED he wants a huge posting fee’, which isn’t true. Darvish hates the posting system and wants a lower posting fee so his contract will be higher. The posting fee is inconsequential to signing Darvish, just has to beat the rest of MLB.
Similar to how Pujols wanted to break ARod’s record for the biggest contract
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Pujols failed. So will Darvish.
LGY-
After CC and Garcia, I really can’t guess at the Yank rotation yet. I’m pretty sure it won’t be CC, AJ, Nova, Garcia and Hughes.
How likely is Darvish to return $120m of value in 5 years? Not very.
Consider his first year will be below expectations. Every pitcher that has come here from Japan has struggled with walks and has taken over a season to get back to normal.
Now you are down to 4 years to return $120m (lets call it $105m minus the first year) of value. That’s $30m/year.
Basically, he has to win the Cy Young every year and be the best pitcher in history to be worth this contract/bid.
jerkface – Darvish hates the posting system and wants a lower posting fee so his contract will be higheR
You don’t know that’s true either, at least I have a fake quote to back me up.
It is true that darvish hates the posting fee system,and want’s it changed.
Of course he wants it changed, every player in Japan does. How does that mean he doesn’t also want to be the highest posted bid?
‘Now you are down to 4 years to return $120m (lets call it $105m minus the first year) of value. That’s $30m/year.
Basically, he has to win the Cy Young every year and be the best pitcher in history to be worth this contract/bid.’
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Nice breakdown. That’s part of why getting him is a pipe dream.
Darvish is in for a world of disappointment. I think posting fee will be <20 million and max offer he will get is 10 million a year.
I want 120 million dollars from my employer too, its to bad I had to accept over 119.9 million+ less.
Darvish welcome to wish in one hand and *$#@ in the other and see which one gets filled first.
yeah i goofed the math on that last part but… anyone that thinks he’ll be worth $26mil/year for those last 4 years is free to come forward and say that out loud…
Darvish is in for a world of disappointment. I think posting fee will be <20 million and max offer he will get is 10 million a year.
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Care to put some money on that? I'll take the over 20 million
Frosty melts?? Um, spoiler alert???
“I ’m sure in his mind he is a better pitcher than Matsuzaka.”
In my mind too. Cashman, release the hounds!
Apparently AJ was worth $82.5 million for pitching 7 great innings in the 2009 WS.
So what’s $120 million worth? One WS win and one ALDS win???
You don’t know that’s true either, at least I have a fake quote to back me up.
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Heh I posted a japanese article with Quote from Darvish and his father yesterday that backs me up. Suck it.
Also Darvish has been quoted many times as being dissatisfied with the posting system. And infact, every Japanese player hates the posting system. It doesnt benefit them one bit.
It’s really hard to predict how much the posting fee will be. The market would demand it to be less than Dice-Ks, but any given team’s strategy and needs throws the market for a loop. A blind bid trumps the market. You just can’t predict what the other GM will do unless there are leaks.
But why would that leak?
Nick in SF December 9th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Frosty melts?? Um, spoiler alert???
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Yes, sorry, I should have put a disclaimer in there. But look at the bright side. If you tune in next year he will be frozen again….
I still don’t understand why the Igawa situation has anything to do with if or how much they bid on Darvish. Igawa was projected to be a possible back end guy and that was in the NL. Its like shying away from buying a BMW because the Geo Metro you bought was a lemon. After all they are both cars right
jerkface – that’s great, no one cares.
I think it won’t be much over 100 total. You could spread it over 6 years and it’s about 17m/yr, only half of which counts against the salary cap er luxury tax threshold. With a 6 year contract Yu is still only 30 in the last year.
And adjustment period is wild speculation at best. Kuroda pitched just fine his first year.
jerkface – that’s great, no one cares.
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You care, since you keep trying to use your falsities as an argument against Darvish, our lord and savior.
and to think if Cash would have just pulled the trigger on the Haren deal we wouldn’t even be talking about Darvish
Kuroda pitched just fine his first year.
He’s a ground ball pitcher, he’s not nibbling for strikes. He’s also the only Japanese pitcher to come over that did not experience a drastic bump in walks.
Do all the bids have to be received within the same time frame? In other words, within, say, 30 minutes or less of each other?
I just wonder whether, even though these are blind/sealed bids, is there enough time for bids to leak (because there’s always someone willing to talk)?
Is there a sequel to Frosty where they save the water, freeze it and rebuild him again? If not, that is a very sad ending to his story and should be rated at the very least a PG for global warming.
They just have to be received “by the deadline” which is Wednesday. It would be severely detrimental to any team that had their bid leaked, so I would not expect too many people get details on the final number.
If I was running a team it would be a good time to test for leaks
Just tell a few different emnmployees different bid #’s and see who’s talking to the press…
Rays signed Moore to an 8 year 39.75 mil contract. Why does all these guys take hometown discounts (i.e. rays and sox) and we have break the bank for our players? Not sure what Moore was thinking. He could have gotten much MOORE in the open market. He will be 30 when he hits free agency.
CC is always a star when it comes to giving back to the community. A true ACE for MLB and the Yanks