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Noesi getting stretched out, plus other winter ball updates

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After he picked a long man in the Rule 5 draft, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman made it clear that he does not want to use Hector Noesi as a reliever next season.

“I have no intention of Noesi doing that again,” Cashman said. “I just think Noesi is a starter, so one way or another, that’s where he needs to be. I don’t want to waste his time as a long man if we can avoid it.”

Right now, Noesi is down in the Dominican Republic, being stretched out as a starter. His most recent outing came on Thursday, and at 6.2 innings, it was his longest of the winter. He took the loss that day — five hits, three runs, five strikeouts, no walks — but his numbers are still encouraging with a 2.66 ERA, 24 strikeouts and seven walks.

Noesi is sixth in the league in ERA, fifth in innings pitched and second in games started. He’s getting his work in, and that’s the point of him being down there. Between New York and Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Noesi had 81 innings during the regular season. He’s now up to 40.2 innings in the Dominican, pushing him above 120 for the year. He’s thrown that many innings in a year only once before, and that was 2010 when he reached 160.

A few other notes from winter ball:

• Guess who leads the Mexican Winter League in home runs… Of course it’s Jorge Vazquez, who has 17 homers in 46 games. He’s also fourth in the league with a .354 batting average, third with a .417 on-base percentage and first with a .680 slugging percentage. Of course, his 53 strikeouts are the second-most in the league behind Victor Diaz who has a whopping 70.

• Designated for assignment earlier this week, Colin Curtis has eight hits in his past four games down in Venezuela. His slash line is up to .301/.396/.446 with two stolen bases and two home runs. He’s playing well in his first action since injuring his shoulder in spring training. Curtis has options remaining, so a team might claim him to add some left-handed outfield depth.

Ramiro Pena went deep yesterday! The usually light-hitting shortstop is batting .270 and has three home runs in 20 games down in Mexico. He’s hitting especially well against lefties (.321/.387/.571).

• On Thursday, Pat Venditte went untaken in the Rule 5 draft. He also pitched two hitless innings that day. The switch-pitcher has 32 strikeouts and only two walks in 31 innings in Mexico this winter. He’s pitched at least two innings in seven of his past nine appearances.

• Playing in Puerto Rico, Double-A outfielder Ray Kruml has three hits in his past two games but is still batting just .220/.242/.305 through 20 games. He has four extra-base hits, two of them coming on Wednesday.

• You know who’s playing pretty well this winter? Organizational catcher Jose Gil. Finally invited to big league camp last year, Gil has turned in a .282/.338/.465 slash line down in Venezuela. It’s not enough to put him on the map, especially not in this catching-rich organization, but there’s no doubt he’s producing.

• Another small name from the organization who’s playing well this winter: Double-A shortstop Jose Pirela — coming off a fairly disappointing regular season — is hitting .308/.354/.424 while getting most of his time at second base down in Venezuela. He’s been hitting third for his team and he’s tied or second in the league with four triples.

Associated Press photo of Noesi





39 Responses to “Noesi getting stretched out, plus other winter ball updates”

  1. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank December 10th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Hurry up Spring,,,

  2. Giuseppe Franco December 10th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    - GEN. FRANCO -
    Yanks went hard after Lee, so the Yankee philosophy has Not changed. With the Big Time $$$ even utility guys are now making, in many cases it truly is NOT the $$$ that players are looking for. Playing where you are happy is Now the primary concern, which is why established players are re-upping Before becoming eligible to file for free agency. Top Tier players are somewhat obligated and pressured by their Union to file for free agency and reap the biggest $$$ contract possible as, “a rising tide lifts ALL boats. But as for the Yanks, they Will still spend the coin for a quality free agent atta position of need. Enter Darvish stage left.


    Yes, it has changed.

    Indeed, they did go after Lee last offseason but they also didn’t panic when they didn’t get him and overspend for someone else.

    He also didn’t acquire anyone before the trade deadline because he thought the prices were too high and didn’t think they’d be an upgrade over the younger guns they already had.

    This is not the same franchise that was run by George in his heyday. They are far more patient and would rather promote from within than panic and overspend for big names as they were accustomed to doing during George’s reign.

    Sure, they will still dole out the cash or prospects for someone they believe is worth it (Lee, Sabathia, and Granderson via trade), but it’s nothing like they used to be.

  3. kd December 10th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    can’t wait to see what noesi can do…. he’s got great stuff.

    everyone of these pitchers that has success in the big leagues makes trading easier for cashman.

    any news on cespedes?

  4. theREALkevin December 10th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    WGeneral, thanks for that translation in the previous thread. It was very thorough. Interesting read.

  5. Joe from Long Island December 10th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    slow day, but, hey, it’s winter.

    Chad – many thanks for the updates on the winter leagues. Noesi looks to be coming along, and I think he’s going to be a regular in the rotation, one way or another (so long, AJ). Vasquez puts up the numbers, but, unfortunately, one of them is the Ks. That’s what’s keeping him out of ML. He seems like this year’s version of Juan Miranda.

    The downplaying of Darvish may be just a smokescreen to minimize the chance that another team bids big for him. But, if the Yanks pass on him, I won’t be disappointed. He has enough questions, and I wouldn’t hesitate to go with Noesi. We do have an idea of how he will do.

  6. tucker December 10th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Will Nova and Noesi have better careers than Hughes and Joba? It would be an interesting turn considering how much more hype Hughes and Joba have received over the years.

  7. 108 stitches December 10th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    tucker December 10th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    Will Nova and Noesi have better careers than Hughes and Joba? It would be an interesting turn considering how much more hype Hughes and Joba have received over the years.


    It’s one thing to give some praise to prospects to keep their confidence level up but over hyping can give some players a false sense of their ability and continuing to work hard. Nova and Noesi have been handled correctly.

  8. David in Cal December 10th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    If George were still here, I’d expect the Yanks to sign Darvish. As it is, I’ll be pleasantly surprised if that happens.

  9. DONNYBROOK December 10th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    This projected waiting period before the Darvish Derby Winner is announced really puts a crimp in the free agent market. No matter how well heeled the Rangers may be, I just do not see them signing Fielder, (as rumored), AND winning the Darvish bidding. Bud needs to take steps to speed up the bidding process, notification, and public release of the winner.
    That W\Sox staff headed by the inexperienced Ventura is in for a helluva shock. Reinsdorf is gonna gut that team, while Theo goes full-speed-ahead to reload the Cubbies. Kenny Williams is gonna be Public Enemy #1 to the fan base, and Ventura is gonna be caught in the fallout. Normally, I could care less about management personnel on other teams, but Ventura was a credit to the Yankee organization during his short time in the Bronx. He’s certainly gotta chance of pulling it off with that W\Sox team, but Jim Carrey also had a chance in “Dumb and Dumber”. Anyway, I like Ventura and hope this team does Not stain his reputation and doom his future managing career.

  10. m December 10th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    I never saw Phil or Joba before they came to the majors. But it seems like people and experts who DID see them in the minors felt there was legitimate reason to get excited. So, no, I don’t think they were over-hyped. There are as many career arcs as there are pitchers, so I don’t know why people get all excited about pitchers and hype. Story’s not over until it’s over. Unless your name is Andrew Miller. :P

  11. LGY December 10th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Prince is the only big free agent left to sign. The winter meetings demonstrated Darvish is not holding up the market.

  12. m December 10th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Don’t know who I heard on espn radio last night, but they mentioned that Fielder would mash in the Rangers lineup and in that home park. That’s a scary thought actually. He’s still a fatty, and I would think he’d prefer to land in the AL, even though he’s said he wants to play 1B.

  13. m December 10th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    There was not much of a market.

    Papelbon, Wilson, Buerhle.

    Reyes, Pujols, Fielder.

    Marlins made it exciting for a bit, but without the Yankees chumming the waters it’s going to be calm.

  14. m December 10th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    And Boston is battered and out of budget space.

  15. tucker December 10th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    I suppose the difference, at least with Hughes, is that he has been synonymous with he Yanks’ renewed farm efforts. Then he received the “mini-Rocket” label from Giambi. That is a lot of praise to live up to for anyone, and Hughes did rocket through the minors.

    Other than 2010, he really hasn’t been able to put it together for an entire year. Even in 2010, he faded badly down the stretch. He did pitch one decent game in the ALDS vs. the Twins. This is the year he needs to put it all together. Otherwise, the Yankees may just move on without him. I think he will pitch better than last season. He seems to be taking his offseason conditioning seriously. So, we’ll see.

  16. tucker December 10th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    M, I’ve thought all along that Fielder would go to the Rangers. He fits so well in that lineup. But if the Rangers spend big on Fielder, would that take them out of the Darvish sweepstakes? I think it would.

  17. m December 10th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Labels and pre-arrival hype aside, I think if you can temper your expectations for any young player, you won’t be disappointed. It’s a lot tougher on their side of the table than ours. I don’t think we can comprehend all the pressure and preparation necessary. We’ve seen so many flameouts by pitchers, Joba and Phil are doing fine despite physical setbacks.

  18. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Who’s better than Curtis Granderson?
    He sat in the students section of his old H.S. last night after having his jersey retired!

  19. m December 10th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Fielder would be a much wiser investment. He’s been here and done that. You can trade for pitching to replace Darvish’s production (he’s not a potential ace, talk about overhype). But, and especially with Pujols to the Angels, Fielder would make them a force to be reckoned with. Fielder is an everyday player, much better investment.

    The person on the radio said that Fielder would help them balance that rickety pitching staff. Feliz as a starter is a big question, can he do it? Yes, Yu would help the rotation, but he’s also a question mark at this point. Put the sure money on the sure thing.

    (not that I want Fielder to got there. makes it that much tougher for the Yankees to beat them!)

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock December 10th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Granderson’s a guy who gets it.

  21. PacoDooley December 10th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Granderson is indeed a player to respect. There aren’t many players like him – definitely special. I like most of the current Yankees, but I often find myself proud that Granderson plays for my team – can’t say that about many players in the league.

  22. Nick in SF December 10th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    “You can trade for pitching to replace Darvish’s production (he’s not a potential ace, talk about overhype).”

    Now we’re finally getting somewhere on this mystery pitcher from Japan!

    His potential is sub-ace. What is it?

  23. tucker December 10th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Agreed the Rangers would get more bang for the buck from Fielder. It’s all about run differential. That offense already is the best in the AL. Fielder widens that offensive advantage. Even with Pujols, the Angels have a lot of offensive questions: an aging Hunter, Wells and Abreu.

    Three of the four teams that played in the league championships this year had superior offenses (all except Detroit). High -powered offenses are more scarce in baseball in the post-steroids era than shut-down pitching staffs.

  24. Red Robin December 10th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    From what I’ve seen , Nosy is nothing more than a AAAA pitcher .

  25. blake December 10th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Prince would be scary in that ballpark…..personally I hope the Rangers just keep right on being satisfied with Mitch Moreland

  26. blake December 10th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Red Robin December 10th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
    From what I’ve seen , Nosy is nothing more than a AAAA pitcher .”

    Nah you’ve got him confused with every pitcher in the Red Sox farm system.

  27. Villa Nova-Ya December 10th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Love to read about the guys in the system. Sounds like they are all working hard this winter. Great.

  28. comet December 10th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank:

    Do you have trigeminal neuralgia? I do. Would like to talk with someone else who is so afflicted. Thanks.

  29. Baseball Mogul December 10th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    ‘From what I’ve seen , Nosy is nothing more than a AAAA pitcher .’

    60 innings of mop up duty shouldn’t be enough to make that judgement.

  30. kd December 10th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    prince in the rangers ballpark would be crazy…

    but how well would that body hold up in the texas heat? 140 games? 125 games?

    even at dh, might be tough for him to play a lot in texas

  31. Nick in SF December 10th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    “but how well would that body hold up in the texas heat?”

    Don’t bother going to the fat farm, let the fat farm sign you to a contract!

  32. comet December 10th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Prince would be great in our ball park as well, were there the money. He would be the full time DH. Rather than giving guys half a day off you’d give them a full day. OTOH prince would cost a lot more than Montero.

  33. blake December 10th, 2011 at 6:25 pm


    Red Robin is like the blogs resident red sox troll…..been here a long time under various names…don’t worry he doesn’t even believe the stuff he writes…..he’s harmless

  34. blake December 10th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Hey comet! Sorry about the trigeminal neuralgia…..that’s tough to deal with.

  35. kd December 10th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    well played nick!

  36. m December 10th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    I remember a cartoon a long time ago, where a fat guy went into a sweat box with his head sticking out the top. When he came out he was skinny, but his head was the same. A pretty good simulation of Prince Fielder after a year with Texas.

  37. comet December 10th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Thanks Blake. Everyday a headache!

    Yankees talk is diverting.

  38. comet December 10th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Blake Lyrica has really helped but you put on 40 lbs when you take 300 mg of Lyrica a day.

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