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Notes and links from a quiet Saturday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few notes and links on this fairly quiet Saturday…

Or it was fairly quiet until news broke that Ryan Braun tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs. Braun has denied any wrongdoing in statement.

• Good job by the guys over at River Ave. Blues, who actually got Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker to translate the Hiroyuki Nakajima article I linked to earlier today. “I thought ‘Whoa!’ I got a bid from a great team,’” Nakajima said. The article went on to say it’s likely he’ll sign because he badly wants to play in the states.

• The Yankees have re-signed minor league right-hander Kelvin Perez. 

• Found this old post from a Nationals blog about Yankees Rule 5 pick Brad Meyers. The guy walks almost no one, and injuries slowed his progress in the upper levels of the minors.

• New Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine says setup man Daniel Bard will be prepped as a starter – not as the team’s next closer — when Boston reports to spring training.

• Smart move by the Rays to lock up young starter Matt Moore to a reasonable deal. Obviously there’s risk involved, but Moore’s awfully good, and this is the kind of move that lets a smaller market team like the Rays stay competitive.

• Aggressive move by the Diamondbacks, who traded their top pitching prospect in a package to acquire Trevor Cahill and Craig Breslow. Arizona clearly sees an opportunity to win now in that weak National League West.

• Manny Ramirez is officially back on the market. Major League Baseball approved his reinstatement.

• Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson were introduced during a fairly wild press conference in Anaheim. “It took me a couple of days to think about it,” Pujols said. “I felt it was time to make a decision, and at the end, I know it was a tough one.”

• Jimmy Rollins is still out there, but the Cardinals went ahead and signed Rafael Furcal to a two-year deal.

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102 Responses to “Notes and links from a quiet Saturday”

  1. blake December 10th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    “New Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine says setup man Daniel Bard will be prepped as a starter – not as the team’s next closer — when Boston reports to spring training.”

    Not sure that’s the best move

  2. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    hard to believe they’d give up on him as the closer, i think that’s eventually where he’s gonna be, but they are running as far and fast as possible from the wreckage of this past season…(it doesnt matter that they missed the PS by 1 measly game, they need to purge it from their memory…).. but its fine with me!

  3. kd December 10th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    for the sox, bard as a starter is a bad idea. as a yankee fan, it’s great. he’ll bomb and be a reliever by june.

  4. GreenBeret7 December 10th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Why is not starting, but relieving not the best move for Bard and the Red Sox, but, relieving instead of starting isn’t the best thing for Chamberlain and the Yanks?

  5. GreenBeret7 December 10th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    ***Why is starting instead of relieving not the best move for Bard and the Red Sox***

  6. blake December 10th, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    “Why is not starting, but relieving not the best move for Bard and the Red Sox, but, relieving instead of starting isn’t the best thing for Chamberlain and the Yanks?”

    Well one reason is because they don’t have a closer…..another is because his command isn’t good enough. I can’t really blame them though with the rotation situation…….

  7. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    not sure what your point it gb7 i think bard’s best spot is as a reliever, and same for joba. but im not that hung up on either. i think so many have taken such strong positions about “joba has to start’ or “joba has to relieve’, i think joba is best wherever it best suits the yankees to use him, whether thats in the rotation or the bp. i think he’s ok but not great at either and i dont think he’s that great or that bad at either.

  8. GreenBeret7 December 10th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    That’s BS, Blake. How about a little consistency? Chamberlain’s control isn’t the best either. There are still closers out on the market, or, they could have signed their own.

  9. jacksquat December 10th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    You don’t have to rely on reports from other people about how fast Yu throws. Just watch his videos. I’ve seen him hit 98 once. 97 more than once. In his 2011 postseason start he was sitting 94-96 consistently. So unless several radar guns over there were faulty in the same direction, there you go.

    He also hit 100mph with one pitch in the 2009 WBC (accuracy of gun unknown).

    He throws 6-7 pitches, one of which is a shuuto, that breaks down and in to righthanded batters. Watch videos and you’ll see it. It’s a pretty good pitch. He does not throw a gyro-ball.

  10. blake December 10th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    “That’s BS, Blake. How about a little consistency? Chamberlain’s control isn’t the best either. There are still closers out on the market, or, they could have signed their own.”

    Yea there are closers out there…..ones that stink and Madson who would single handedly push them into luxury tax land.

    Its somewhat of a panic move by them given that all they have talked about for the last twobgears is his Bard was the future closer…..Bard doesn’t have the pitches that Joba does either…….he’s got the heat and a good slider that he can’t throw for strikes half the time…..

  11. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    That’s BS, Blake. How about a little consistency? Chamberlain’s control isn’t the best either. There are still closers out on the market, or, they could have signed their own.

    How about you get off your little yankee’s are always right high horse. Here is consistency: Chamberlain has started effectively IN THE MAJORS. He does not have control problems. Bard walked 9 per 9 as a starter in the minor leagues and has less than 2 complete pitches. Chamberlain has 4 pitches and good enough control of atleast 3 of them, was prepped as a starter throughout his brief minor stay, and performed admirably in the role in the majors.

    Its a bad idea for them to convert Bard into a starter because he lacks the tools AND the build up to do it.

    Your opinions are the worst and you’re a bad poster.

  12. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Stick to reposting DJ Mitchell’s minor league numbers.

  13. LGY December 10th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Seriously comparing the Joba situation to Bard?

  14. m December 10th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Bard as a starter? We’ll see. Papelbon was a starter for all of 5 minutes a few springs ago. If they come across a Freddy or Bartolo, they’ll change their tune.

    Wasn’t he horrible as a starter in the minors? If so, good move, Ben!

    Bard blowing up for just a very short time sure caused a seismic shift in the organization.

  15. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Bard’s 22 start career in the minors as a starter

    A ball – 17 starts 61.2 IP 6.42 ERA 38 K 56 BB 44 ER
    A+ Ball – 5 starts 13.1 IP 10.12 ERA (yup) 22 BB 9 K 15 ER

    Hope they keep him as a starter

  16. blake December 10th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Offering Ortiz arbitration may really bite the Sox …..if they can’t work out a 2 year deal then they are going to be paying him nearly double what they probably wanted to in 2012 and itll leave then less wiggle room if they want to stay under the tax threshold. If Papi goes to arbitration I don’t see how they can do much else unless they want to push the payroll up in the 185 range.

  17. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    I would post Chamberlain’s starter stats in the minors, but it would be too embarrassing for bard.

  18. jacksquat December 10th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Bard had only 24 walks in 73 ip in 2011, which is fine at 3 per 9. His numbers as a starter in the minors are from 2007 so I don’t think those are very relevant. The more pertinent question would be does he have the endurance to be a starter.

  19. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Bard was able to not walk the world in short relief stints, hasn’t started since 07, and still only has 1 and 1/2 pitches. I don’t know how the Red Sox expect a player that had to be turned into a reliever because his command was so bad is going to suddenly be able to hold it together for multiple innings.

  20. jacksquat December 10th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    His command has gotten better. It could perhaps get worse as a starter due to fatigue. We’ll see. And I agree that only 2 pitches is not enough. Maybe he has 1 or 2 more he’d use as a starter. Many relievers only use 2 or 3 pitches.

  21. blake December 10th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    In fairness to the Red Sox……when the decision is stretching out Bard vs Tim Wakefield……..

  22. Nick in SF December 10th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    This Bard business is just a smokescreen before they shock the world with their aggressive Darvish bid. Devious.

  23. pat December 10th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Braun reportedly passed a “B test” so the reliability of the first positive test is being questioned and he may be found not guilty of PED usage.

    The results of that first test should never have been made public if the second test cleared him.

    The system that Bud is so proud of once again doesn’t perform the way the players were promised it would.

  24. Pat M. December 10th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    I have to say that Jerkface and KGY must know a lot more about Darvish that the people I spoke with today……The general attitude was the guy looks good but nobody was saying he’ll be a Cy Young contender…..There’s questions about him his transition to the Majors….And he will not be able to get away with that lollipop cruveball here like he does in Japan……It’s going to take him awhile to adjust and some of the posts here by his most ardent supporters either are trying to sell him to us all or they actually believe all this which is going to be a letdown for them……Now he throws 100 mph, oh how the legend of Yu Darvish grows…..Instead of making 4 starts every 10 days he’s going to have to learn quickly how to make 5 starts every 10 days …..He looks good but this is the Mjor Leagues we’re talking about…..No disrespect Yu Darvish….

  25. Gary December 10th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Chamberlain has started effectively IN THE MAJORS. He does not have control problems.

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    Jerkface, I’ll have to respecfully disagree on that one. Joba has had a problem consistently throwing strikes and getting ahead of hitters, This has lead to him being forced to them come into the zone and we have seen a far number of those rocket over the fence. I don’t know enough about Baird to weigh in on him, but I have seen this in Joba.

  26. Gary December 10th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Pat M. December 10th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
    I have to say that Jerkface and KGY must know a lot more about Darvish that the people I spoke with today……The general attitude was the guy looks good but nobody was saying he’ll be a Cy Young contender…..There’s questions about him his transition to the Majors….And he will not be able to get away with that lollipop cruveball here like he does in Japan……It’s going to take him awhile to adjust and some of the posts here by his most ardent supporters either are trying to sell him to us all or they actually believe all this which is going to be a letdown for them……Now he throws 100 mph, oh how the legend of Yu Darvish grows…..Instead of making 4 starts every 10 days he’s going to have to learn quickly how to make 5 starts every 10 days …..He looks good but this is the Mjor Leagues we’re talking about…..No disrespect Yu Darvish….

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    Pat your amiss somewhere, no starter goes out there 5 times in 10 days.

  27. Red Robin December 10th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    ” Braun, N.L. M.V.P., Reportedly Had Positive Drug Test ”

    I bet Justin Verlander is a P.E.D. user, too .

  28. LGY December 10th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Darvish will be the most valuable pitcher in baseball if he can handle 4 starts every 10 days.

  29. Red Robin December 10th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    They really need to start punishing these P.E.D. violators more harshly.

    A ban from baseball for life would be the most appropriate sentence .

  30. Pat M. December 10th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    check that 20 days, and I Think everyone knew what I meant….

  31. rm December 10th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    From MLBTeaferumors.com

    “Braun, 28, was tested during the playoffs and notified of the positive result in late-October. Elevated levels of testosterone in Braun’s system triggered the positive test, which prompted MLB to ask the testing agency to perform a second test. The second test determined that the testosterone was exogenous, meaning it was produced outside of Braun’s body.”

    I hope he really has some magical explanation that proves his innocence like his agent claims, But it doesn’t look very likely.

  32. Gary December 10th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    pat December 10th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
    Braun reportedly passed a “B test” so the reliability of the first positive test is being questioned and he may be found not guilty of PED usage.

    The results of that first test should never have been made public if the second test cleared him.

    The system that Bud is so proud of once again doesn’t perform the way the players were promised it would.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Rumors no facts, lets see what happens.

  33. Pat M. December 10th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    My point is the extra start due to the 54 days rest….My wife is driving me crazy about overcooking the lobster tails on the grille outside…..I’ll catch you guys later…..

  34. Gary December 10th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Pat M. December 10th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
    My point is the extra start due to the 54 days rest….My wife is driving me crazy about overcooking the lobster tails on the grille outside…..I’ll catch you guys later…..

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Make sure you have another Beer out there at the grill :-)

  35. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    The general attitude was the guy looks good but nobody was saying he’ll be a Cy Young contender

    He doesnt have to contend for the Cy young to be a sound investment. Manny Banuelos and Betances don’t have people saying they are going to contend for the Cy Young. How many pitchers in baseball get CY YOUNG CONTENDER labelled on them?????

    It takes time to build that up and no prospect gets that. Lollipop curve, did you mean Phil Hughes?

  36. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Maybe you’re watching the wrong tape, Pat M.

  37. Against All Odds December 10th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    # Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    I would post Chamberlain’s starter stats in the minors, but it would be too embarrassing for bard.

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    His starting stats in the mL would embarrass a lot of ppl

  38. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    And yes Darvish does throw a slow curve, but its not even his 4th best pitch. Fastball, 2seam, slider, change/shuuto is all he should need in the majors.

  39. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    is there anyone (else) who’s not a cy young candidate that you’d be willing to spend $110M on?

  40. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    is there anyone (else) who’s not a cy young candidate that you’d be willing to spend $110M on

    Strasburg. Kershaw when he was breaking in. Lincecum breaking in. King Felix before he broke out.

  41. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
    # Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    I would post Chamberlain’s starter stats in the minors, but it would be too embarrassing for bard.

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    His starting stats in the mL would embarrass a lot of ppl
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    QTF.

  42. yankeefeminista December 10th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Meant: QFT :blush:

  43. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    seems like alot of hype to me

  44. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    this guy throws 94, no 96, 100, has a gyroball, no even better a shutto ball, it’ll be unhittable (just like the gyroball was before dice k came over here…he’s worth 90 M, no 100m, no 110 m…i really dont believe any of it anymore.

    sounds just like dice k to me

  45. Triple Short of a Cycle December 10th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    who said he throws 100?

  46. blake December 10th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    I don’t know what’s considered to be Darvish’s best secondary pitch….but in the video I’ve seen his slider is very very good.

  47. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    “He also hit 100mph with one pitch in the 2009 WBC (accuracy of gun unknown).”

  48. LGY December 10th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    The shuuto is a very common pitch in Japan. It’s not like the mythical gyroball.

  49. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    this guy throws 94, no 96, 100, has a gyroball, no even better a shutto ball, it’ll be unhittable (just like the gyroball was before dice k came over here…he’s worth 90 M, no 100m, no 110 m…i really dont believe any of it anymore.

    Quit exaggerating. His 4 seam can touch 97, he can sit 95, he averages 93-97 on the pitch. 4-seam at 92-94. Shuuto is just like a hard change up or a screwball, no one said it was unhittable.

    Wow you don’t believe it when a bunch of idiots come in here posting fake stuff about Darvish so they can rile themselves up??? :rolleyes:

  50. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    jacksquat

  51. blake December 10th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    From the film I’ve seen he pitches at 93-94…….and he can get it up to 96, 97 when he needs to.

  52. DaSaint007 December 10th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Interesting to note the defference given to Braun on his PED test failure.
    We all know how folks feel about Bonds, ARod, Ramirez, Clemens, Ortiz, and even how they reacted to Pettitte.

    But no rush to judgement on Braun. Interesting. Are we just worn down by the PED thing, or more accepting of it’s pervasiveness.

  53. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Blake,

    I posted a game log that had his average velocity by start and in july last season he ripped off 4 or so starts in a row averaging 95. Thats old Joba velocity.

  54. blake December 10th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Shutto is just a 2 seam right?

  55. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    well my point was that i really dont believe the crap im reading on here about him and that i dont think any japanese pitcher is worth $110M. They all look great over there then come over here and the look good for a year maybe 2 then they suck when mlb hitters figure them out.

    that is except for ‘shades’ who sucked from when he arrived.

  56. LGY December 10th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Only 16 starters last season had an average fastball velocity of 93 or greater.

    Only 6 were at 94 or greater.

  57. Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Shutto is just a 2 seam right?

    It breaks down and in to righties but with harder break than a 2-seam. Its like a screwball kind of. He has an actual 2-seam thats very good.

  58. Ys Guy December 10th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    arod and pettitte admitted to their ped use. so deference was not warrented.

  59. blake December 10th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    “I posted a game log that had his average velocity by start and in july last season he ripped off 4 or so starts in a row averaging 95. Thats old Joba velocity.”

    Yea that’s legit velo……I’ve just seen what I can find online and he seems to throw fastballs at a lot of different velocities to me…..doesn’t seem to be a guy that just pumps 94 over and over…..he’ll be 92 one pitch then 96 the next…..

  60. blake December 10th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Mr Baseball couldn’t hit the shuuto

  61. m December 10th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    pat,

    where are you hearing that braun passed his b test? his agent confirmed the positive test. so either he failed the b test, too, or he’s saving his ace for the appeal hearing.

  62. LGY December 11th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    M

    Odom to the Mavs???

  63. Nick in SF December 11th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    “…i dont think any japanese pitcher is worth $110M. They all look great over there then come over here and the look good for a year maybe 2 then they suck when mlb hitters figure them out.”

    Geez, you left out the part about they eat funny food and their money is too greasy! No wonder you changed your name from Ham Fighters.

  64. m December 11th, 2011 at 12:11 am

    LGY,

    Thanks for that. Good catch. Went to the article at espn.com.

    There’s always a running conversation in the comments section. They’re going nuts not knowing what’s coming back.

    Maybe they take picks and flip them to Orlando.

    Sounds like they’re out on Paul.

    Dwight requested a trade after Paul did. Requested to talk to 3 teams NJ, Dal, Lakers. Got a slap on the wrist for personally talking to the Russian Nets owner. Doubt Dwight picks Dallas over LA.

    Dr. Buss said, “All in” from his hospital bed.

  65. m December 11th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Reading it’s the $11M exemption they got from the Chandler trade.

    Bynum + Exemption=D12

  66. Against All Odds December 11th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    # m December 11th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Reading it’s the $11M exemption they got from the Chandler trade.

    Bynum + Exemption=D12

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    That’s what ppl seem to think.

  67. antisocial scrooge December 11th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    @ m
    Since being informed of the results, Braun has been disputing his case. A source close to Braun said that when he was told about the positive test, he immediately requested to be tested again. That second test, using a different sample that was tested by Braun’s camp, the source said, was not positive. Those close to Braun believe that the difference between the two tests will show that the first test was invalid. Although Braun’s representatives acknowledge that a non-positive test would not negate a positive one, they believe the second test shows certain anomalies that will suggest problems with the first. They declined to specify.

  68. LGY December 11th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    M

    I think they are going to have to give up Bynum and Pau to land D12.

    Then again I’ve been wrong about pretty much everything that has happened in the NBA the past three days :P

  69. m December 11th, 2011 at 12:32 am

    antisocial,

    Thanks for that. So, technically it’s not a B sample. From what I understand a urine sample is split into A & B containers.

    I guess he passed a subsequent or followup test. Would love to know how many days between the two tests.

  70. m December 11th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    LGY,

    Good lord, I hope not. I’d rather have the 3 trees back.

    Someone on that convo just pointed out Dirk & Odom. Do they have a history? If so, I had forgotten.

    LaMarBar is a good player. Just has a really short attention span. But he’s so versatile and talented.

  71. Against All Odds December 11th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    The talks ended when the Lakers refused to meet the N.B.A.’s demands on a return package for Paul, the New Orleans Hornets’ star guard.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12.....ref=sports

  72. m December 11th, 2011 at 12:44 am

    AAO,

    That’s ridiculous. Anything more than Odom & Gasol would have been ridiculous for a player who can pretty much pick his next team.

    But to force them to give up Bynum, too? Double ridiculous.

  73. LGY December 11th, 2011 at 1:02 am

    Word is Odom was just a salary dump… :?:

  74. m December 11th, 2011 at 1:08 am

    LGY,

    Word is a Mavs 1st Round pick and possibly a second round, too.

    Lamar took the non-deal really badly on Friday. His head was spinning. He’s kind of sensitive. Pau was at practice, said all the right things and got in there. Lamar didn’t show up either. Weird thing is the Rocket players were held out of practice. Guess they’re showing up tomorrow.

    Anyway, back to Lamar. Yes, a salary dump, but e would have been useless to the Lakers. He’s an emotional wreck and wouldn’t be able to get the near-trade out of his mind had he stayed.

    The question is why is Cuban being so nice all of a sudden after being a pr*** the last 3 days?

  75. LGY December 11th, 2011 at 1:27 am

    I think Cuban just likes the idea of getting Odom for very little in return.

  76. David in Cal December 11th, 2011 at 1:39 am

    Sometimes a player’s opportunities depend more on the team’s need than on his performance. If the Yanks are scratching for a decent starter when Joba returns, maybe they’ll give him a shot at starting.

  77. m December 11th, 2011 at 1:45 am

    When does Joba start throwing? As a starter, you need like 6 weeks to build up inning 1 the first start, 2 the second, 60 pitches, 75-80, etc. etc.

    Coming off Tommy John, the bullpen makes the most sense because the load is lighter, even though it’s a stake to the heart for a lot of people.

    Strasburg came back quickly, but he was limited in his work, and he shut it down early.

  78. DaSaint007 December 11th, 2011 at 2:04 am

    Joba’s been throwing on flat ground for a while now. His tweets indicate he’s doing well thus far. That said, can’t see him back before the ASG, and most certainly to the bullpen, at least for 2012.

  79. Ghostwriter December 11th, 2011 at 2:26 am

    jacksquat December 10th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    You don’t have to rely on reports from other people about how fast Yu throws. Just watch his videos. I’ve seen him hit 98 once. 97 more than once. In his 2011 postseason start he was sitting 94-96 consistently. So unless several radar guns over there were Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    this guy throws 94, no 96, 100, has a gyroball, no even better a shutto ball, it’ll be unhittable (just like the gyroball was before dice k came over here…he’s worth 90 M, no 100m, no 110 m…i really dont believe any of it anymore.

    Quit exaggerating. His 4 seam can touch 97, he can sit 95, he averages 93-97 on the pitch. 4-seam at 92-94. Shuuto is just like a hard change up or a screwball, no one said it was unhittable.

    Wow you don’t believe it when a bunch of idiots come in here posting fake stuff about Darvish so they can rile themselves up??? :rolleyes:

    ========================

    In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMkKk8s0CFI), he hit 97 once; 96 about three or four times; and generally ranged between 92 and 94.

    BTW, from the video, it looks to me like Japanese hitters swing at a lot of bad pitches.

  80. bardos December 11th, 2011 at 3:11 am

    So when Cashman wants to up the price for Carl Crawford, he wines and dines him in public.

    If the Yankees were bluffing about bidding on Yu, Cashman would be saying the Yankees are “all in on Darvish”, making it a costly signing for whoever chose to go that route and having the effect of raising the bids of all the interested clubs.

    All the clubs appear to be playing possum at the moment, including the Yankees. They will all bid. I mean what if you could walk away with him for 20 or 30 million? In my opinion, that would be a steal.

    Why don’t we have a bidding game here on the blog? We can submit bids and see who gets him.

    The bid that matches or tops by the least amount the actual winning bid is the winner.

    I bid $61,000,059 in my sealed bid submitted to Bud.

    Another thing, there are so many adaptations for a Japanese player coming to play MLB in the USA. Why not shield him from at least one? Give him an adaptation period in which he pitches once every 7 days as he is used to, slowly breaking him in to the 5 day rotation?

  81. jacksquat December 11th, 2011 at 4:34 am

    Pat M. December 10th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
    I have to say that Jerkface and KGY must know a lot more about Darvish that the people I spoke with today……The general attitude was the guy looks good but nobody was saying he’ll be a Cy Young contender…..There’s questions about him his transition to the Majors….And he will not be able to get away with that lollipop cruveball here like he does in Japan……It’s going to take him awhile to adjust and some of the posts here by his most ardent supporters either are trying to sell him to us all or they actually believe all this which is going to be a letdown for them……Now he throws 100 mph, oh how the legend of Yu Darvish grows…..Instead of making 4 starts every 10 days he’s going to have to learn quickly how to make 5 starts every 10 days …..He looks good but this is the Mjor Leagues we’re talking about…..No disrespect Yu Darvish….

    If you people are going to distort things people say from saying he threw one pitch at 100mph to “now he throws 100mph”, no honest debate can be had.

    Same for the guy who watches one video and wants to debate velocity.

  82. PittsburghYankeeFan December 11th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Sox will make a weak bid for Yu, if at all. Papi’s arbitration has really screwed them up–good.

    All of the “Yu is not so good talk” is a smokescreen. It makes logical sense for the Yankees to bid and get him. He’s got number 2 or 3 stuff, and if they can lock him up for 5 years at $8 million per year, that’s great. If he is so so, they trade him to the NL.

    Depending on Noesi’s performance, as well as AJs, one or the other could be trade deadline meat as well.

    It’s all about trading non CBA money (the posting fee) for roster flexibility. If I’m the Yankee GM and owners I’m using the former (which I have plenty of) to get more of the latter.

  83. PittsburghYankeeFan December 11th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    So the Sox are going into ST with Aceves and Bard as potential starters? Oh boy. Tells you what they think of their vaunted farm system.

  84. blake December 11th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Happy Sunday to all.

    The Sox pen is going to be horrific unless the makes some moves……its already thin but if they take their two best relievers and make them the 4th and 5th starters……yikes.

    I agree the stuff on Darvish is likely a smokescreen…….its funny that nobody really seems that unterested on a blind bid huh…..

    I really believe that if the Yanks believe he’s legit then they will win the bid here…….

  85. MTU December 11th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Pitt-

    Slice it anyway you like it. If the Yanks spend a total of 100 mil plus for a 5 yr deal to me that’s 20+ mil per.

    El mucho dinero for an unproven player.

    It’s their moolah though. Glad I don’t have to make such a decision.

    :)

  86. Against All Odds December 11th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    # m December 11th, 2011 at 12:44 am

    AAO,

    That’s ridiculous. Anything more than Odom & Gasol would have been ridiculous for a player who can pretty much pick his next team.

    But to force them to give up Bynum, too? Double ridiculous.

    ————————–

    Yep it is ridiculous. But maybe that’s what Stern wanted all along no more big 3s in the NBA. Paul can’t sign with NY or LA as a free agent. He could end up in LA but it would be with the Clippers

  87. MTU December 11th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Blake-

    Good morning.

    I’ll be glad when all the Darvish stuff is over. One way or another.

    ;)

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock December 11th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Against All Odds December 10th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
    # Jerkface December 10th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    I would post Chamberlain’s starter stats in the minors, but it would be too embarrassing for bard.

    ——————————

    His starting stats in the mL would embarrass a lot of ppl
    ///

    2008 Joba, given half a chance, may have blossomed into the “No. 2″ we seek. LMAO at Cashman, saying he doesn’t want to “waste Noesi’s time” in long relief; and that they thought enough of Nova to send him back down to work on his slider….

    No guarantees, but Joba COULD have become that guy, and Vizcaino could be the bullpen arm we substituted for Joba, and perhaps, we even could have kept that pick we gave up for Soriano (whose arm I really like, btw).

    Just sayin’….

    & yes, blake, hopefully they have learned the lesson…

    I want to see Noesi get a fair shake, & I’d also like to see less high percentage contact from him…hopefully, if we somehow need him in our 2012 rotation, the fanbase exhibits patience (not holding my breath) or the front office ignores its lack of patience and that of the media.

    Impatience, in some cases, demonstrates a lack of intelligence, I would say.

  89. Gary December 11th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Morning, I did a little reading on the Braun situation this morning. Some of the technicians here on the site seem to have not got it quite right yesterday in their posts. Found several sites that had the same info, he failed the league administered test and synthetic PED’s were found. After the fact he ran his own test later several days after the league test and the results were different. They contend that there was some unusual situation that happened, probaly that they got caught.

    Interesting to see how this plays out, his own test will have no bearing. It’s like someone going out and running their own background checks and then telling you that you need to accept the results. There hasn’t really been any successful appeals mounted. At the end of the day the athlete is responsible for being aware of everything that goes into his body. Hard to mount any real defense if both parts of the sample test positive like they did in this case. Suspect that they go through the process and then he gets the consequences.

  90. Gary December 11th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Yanks and Cowgirls tonight, hoping good Eli shows up.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock December 11th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Hey MTU, wishing angel dust on you and your family. Hope things are looking brighter for ya.

    I’m off to hopefully watch the Jets live to see another Sunday…

    I guess YuDar will be the theme for the eternal present here…. I wouldn’t assume Boston’s out, either, despite protests from unnamed team sources…they REALLY need a starter, money aside…& Valentine is likely all in…

  92. MTU December 11th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Gary-

    There’s no cryin’ in baseball.

    Shame really. Another guy tarnished.

    :(

  93. Gary December 11th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    MTU December 11th, 2011 at 8:40 am
    Blake-

    Good morning.

    I’ll be glad when all the Darvish stuff is over. One way or another.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I’ll be glad when the offseason is over. Endless analysis

  94. MTU December 11th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    JAP-

    Thanks you. Much appreciated. So far so good. Time will tell.

    Enjoy the game. Dress warm (I’d bring a flask).

    As far as Boston goes. All I can say is what a hoot. Who needs “The young and the restless”.

    The only thing larger than Valentine’s ego is the Planet Jupiter.

    I really don’t care one way or another on Darvish (as long as it’s over soon). It’s above my pay grade.

    :)

  95. MTU December 11th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    JAP-

    That should have been “Thank”. duh.

  96. MTU December 11th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Gary-

    Yup. Time for some ST. I’m ready for pitchers and catchers.

    :)

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock December 11th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    MTU, glad to here there’s a light.

    Thanks, I hear that re flask…;)

    Meanwhile, enjoy the fluctuating radar gun testimonials..LOL

    Good one, all.

  98. Villa Nova-Ya December 11th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    J Alfred -

    As I think back, I think the mistake the Yankees made with Joba was not sending him to AAA (even though his stuff was “too good” for AAA) for the fine-tuning, rather than having him learn on the job. However, it’s 20/20 hindsight, IMO. And I remember Joba post-2008 injury as being a completely different pitcher (whether it was loss of confidence or a lingering fear of re-injury or whatever), that not was able to get back to form. It seemed to me the Yankees tried everything (which sometimes ends up doing more harm than good, but not because that was the intent).

    The bottom line is we will never know for sure everything that was happening with Joba. I’ll say though that Joba himself seems to have a great attitude and doesn’t seem to harbor any bitterness or ill-will. I’d always hoped he be a starter, but what will be will be.

  99. MTU December 11th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    JAP-

    There is but is it a “wave” or a “particle”, or neither.

    :)

  100. MTU December 11th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    VN-

    That time Chamberlain outdeuled Beckett really stands out.

    It put his talent in high relief for all to see.

  101. MTU December 11th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    New thread —->

  102. Ghostwriter December 11th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    jacksquat December 11th, 2011 at 4:34 am

    If you people are going to distort things people say from saying he threw one pitch at 100mph to “now he throws 100mph”, no honest debate can be had.

    Same for the guy who watches one video and wants to debate velocity.

    ===================

    Was that directed at me? I posted the link to the video, and summarized what I saw, so that others could see it for themselves. For the record, I have no interest in debating velocity.

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