Just a few mid-day notes
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 13, 2011 
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A few fairly small non-Yankees moves that might be of interest.
• The Reds have reportedly agreed to a deal with former Yankees top draft pick Andrew Brackman. And the shocker is that it’s a big league deal. I’m fairly certain Brackman is out of options, and there’s little about his Triple-A season to suggest he’s ready to play a role in the Majors, but Brackman’s a good guy who seems to work hard, so all the best to him. If he can bounce back to 2010, the Reds might have something.
• Speaking of former Yankees, the Mets have reportedly agreed to a deal with former Yankees reliever Jonathan Albaladejo. After being stuck in Triple-A through most of 2010, Albaladejo went to Japan this season. The Mets seem like a good opportunity for him, even with all of their Winter Meetings additions.
UPDATE: Nevermind, didn’t see Joel’s second tweet. Apparently Alby landed with the Diamondbacks, not the Mets.
• Up in Boston, the Red Sox have reportedly agreed to a deal with backup catcher Kelly Shoppach. It’s significant around here only because it’s the Red Sox, and because it makes you wonder whether Jason Varitek is finished.
Kelly Shoppach owns CC, that kind of sucks.
It’s also being reported that Albaledejo signed with Arizona. Has he cloned himself?
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The Yankees got MVP type performances from Cano and Granderson last year and very strong pitching from Garcia and Nova.
If you’re going to insist that the Yankees will be better than they were last year because of improved performances from Alex, Hughes, etc…then you have to concede that those players mentioned above may regress some.
Bottom line – every team has holes, even teams that don’t think they have holes have holes. Trying to predict what the records in October will look like in December is futile.
Chip – I’m not insisting they will be better at all. I’m saying they don’t have to be. I’m certainly not making any October predictions… I never do.
The yankees have enough players that should improve on last year (hughes, burnett, a-rod, teixeira, swisher, gardner to some extent) to cover the regressions (Nova, Cano?, Granderson?) that they should be… exactly where they were. That’s the mark of a good, deep roster.
Joba_62 Can’t replace hard work @APCoach #2012 http://twitvid.com/BB43J
sorry for joining the discussion belatedly, limited posting time…
MTU and blake ~
I will stand firm by my opinion that the M’s are building around Felix.
Do they have stiff competition? Sure. Is it insurmountable? Nah.
They fact that the M’s need offense is as obvious as the teal tint on my glasses but, they also need to bolster their pitching. They have their Ace in Felix, an ace in waiting in Pineda, a durable but inconsistent arm in Vargas and then a lot of young arms.
Bidding for (and winning) Darvish could potentially make sense for the M’s, as I mentioned yesterday, on multiple fronts: fills a MOR spot, keeps the M’s Japanese market alive and well AND allows farm arms to be dealt for hitting.
And, then there are the FA possibilities…
who could resist having a King AND a Prince on the same team?
A girl can dream, can’t she?
Joba is clearly fat and doesn’t take his workouts seriously…. /sarcasmrolleyesduh
“I will stand firm by my opinion that the M’s are building around Felix.”
Hi Compass….
the question is though …..what are they building?
Bottom Line = Yanks were KO’d in Rd1 of the Playoffs. If you believe that Same roster is gonna get you into the World Series the following season, your significant other has my sypathies.
Veritek was Finished 2 seasons ago.
I can’t lie, joba does look focused as hell.
donnybrook – if your only point of contention is that they lost in round 1 last year, your opinion is sinking like a rock… I can’t take you seriously at all.
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how about a little perspective? i think you are holding your nose too close to the book, so to speak.
Texas got worse. There is no way to weasle around that. They lose their ace and are turning a closer into a starter, which could result in any outcome, success not being the most likely.
Angels got better, but the Angels were AWFUL. Pujols isn’t turning that offense around by himself. They will battle Texas for their division, but there is no reason to expect that competition to take place upwards of 90 wins.
Boston got worse. Lost their GM, manager, closer, captain… it’s all falling apart in Boston. Their starting pitching is about the only thing carrying over from last year, and it is injury prone and not that great.
Tampa seems to be treading water. They will try to compete in the AL East with all pitching and no offense again (possibly less offense)… and they only made the playoffs by the skin of their teeth last year as a result of one of the worst collapses in baseball history.
The Yankees are returning their entire roster… a roster that won the most games in the AL last year. Yes they got lucky with Colon/Garcia last year, and Nova to an extent. Sure Nova should regress a little, Hughes/Burnett should also improve to counter that… and they still have 3 months to sign another starter to shore up the Hughes/Burnett/Garcia question mark. Overall this is… what… the third or 4th best staff in the AL behind LA, Tampa… maybe Oakland?
What were you worried about again? Seems to me like this year should be easier than last.
,Bottom Line = Yanks were KO’d in Rd1 of the Playoffs. If you believe that Same roster is gonna get you into the World Series the following season, your significant other has my sypathies.”
Do you think the Cardinals were the best team last year?
- UP TO THE MINUTE YU DARVISH WAR ROOM BIDDING PROJECTIONS -
(1) NEW YORK YANKEES – $18,000,028
(2) TEXAS RANGERS – $14,001,002
(3) MIAMI MARLINS – $13,000,005
(4) WASHINGTON NATS – $13,000,001
(5) CHICAGO CUBS – $10,000,199
(5) SEATTLE MARINERS – $10,000,000
Why do the bids keep going down?
The playoffs is a crap shoot, the only reason the Yanks got knocked out is pure luck. The Yankees were better than the Tigers, they had a higher probability of winning the series. Just look at the run differential…
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We are talking about the current makeup of the Yanks roster Now.
Why do the bids keep going down?
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Seriously. These numbers are clearly being produced by the madness that is Donnybrook’s mind but there has to be some reason he changes the numbers. Or not, he’s insane after all
“We are talking about the current makeup of the Yanks roster Now.”
Yea….its the same team that won 97 games last year……plus Montero, a healthy Hughes, and Joba at mid season…….and they likely aren’t done with their offseason moves.
Greg Golson has signed with KC. Can’t believe there’s no whining about the Yankees allowing Saito to get away and sign with ‘Zona.
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Rumor making the rounds that Texas is Not a serious bidder. Lotta dust currently being thrown around as the sand empties into the bottom of the hour glass. Somebody in the Texas War Room supposedly screemed, “I’m melting”.
Brackman has one more option year. Since he originally signed a major league contract and was on the 60-day for 2008, the Yanks only used three options on him and a player with less than five years professional experience has an extra one.
…veritek was finished a long time ago…
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com
If the high bid for Yu Darvish is substantial, “he will be far less likely to settle on a contract he believes fair,” Yahoo’s Jeff Passan writes. Darvish, who believes the posting system is unfair, would prefer to play for a West Coast team, Passan reports.
Some teams prefer Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler to Yoenis Cespedes, Jim Callis of Baseball America writes. Had Soler been available in the 2010 amateur draft, Callis expects he would have been a top-five selection. Callis compares Soler to Royals outfield prospect Bubba Starling and says he’s more talented than Leonys Martin of the Rangers.
Greg Golson has signed with KC. Can’t believe there’s no whining about the Yankees allowing Saito to get away and sign with ‘Zona.
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Guess Yankee fans are finally satisfied with the bullpen. It’s hard not to when Soriano and Chamberlain are your third and fourth options.
Kevin Towers making a lotta excellent moves over there. The guy Never backs off the accelerator.
so im hearing the yankees, red socks and rangers all putting it out that they are bidding low or might not even bid, which makes me think that all 3 are going to go very big on this and the fee will be over $40M.
Ys Guy,
I think you are right. Although I actually believe the Red Sox will not bid too high on Darvish simply due to the epic failure of Matsuzaka. The Rangers and Yankees stuff about them not being all that interested sounds like BS to me though.
Cashman’s pal Kevin Towers has made a fair amount of moves over the winter. The Arizona Snakes may be the favorites in the so-so NL West Division.
108 stitches December 13th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Cashman’s pal Kevin Towers has made a fair amount of moves over the winter. The Arizona Snakes may be the favorites in the so-so NL West Division.
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Well they did win it last year.
Sign the Cuban outfielders
BryanHoch Piniella close to joining YES network team http://atmlb.com/vYlROM
The Giants will be upgrading their offense at some point this offseason… right? They will be the favorites when they decide to spend some money.
Until then… The Diamondbacks could be the favorites for the West… but I think they need 1 more mid-rotation starter to get that nod on paper.
“the question is though …..what are they building?”
Blake ~
Slowly but surely… a contending team.
They realize the “Felix window”is closing quickly and they got a good, long look a LOT of kids last season. They have a better idea than ever who sticks and stays, who’s valuable, who’s expendable and what they need to move forward.
Whether they’ll be able to do it remains to be seen but, seems they are in as good a position as they have been in a long time to carry out a plan. Some great prospects in the pipeline such as: Franklin, Paxton, Walker, Chiang, Martinez, Hultzen (who will get a chance to compete for a rotation spot this spring). And, another high draft pick come June.
As for the big leaguers…
That Ackley kid, he’s pretty good. Carp had a breakout season. Guti had a rough year but now that he has a diagnosis, hopefully his condition can be managed and he’ll be back into form with a full ST (sure never skipped a beat with his D). League filled in at closer well (37 saves for a team that lost 67 games at too shabby).
I know many here have poo-poo’ed Smoak, especially in comparison to Montero. And, you may be right but, I think it’s too early to be certain that Smoak won’t eventually provide the M’s with some significant offense. There were some pretty extenuating circumstances that contributed to his performance (or lack thereof) last season (multiple injuries AND the loss of his father). I’m still plenty willing to give him a mulligan – especially when you consider he is truly learning on-the-job. He now more AB’s in the majors (775) than he had in the minors (636) (compared to Montero’s 1852).
Well, you asked.
They don’t call me Rosy for nuttin’
Pretty sure the Giants are saying they have no money to spend this offseason. I don’t see how they can upgrade the offense in any case..
I still like the Giants to win that division though. They have Posey back and presumably Brandon Belt will play a bigger role.
Felix’s window isn’t closing that quickly, he’s still only 25 years old!
nice to see lou back in the fold, so to speak, but he’s a turribull announcer. why does yes think anyone who was a popular player should announce games? Why dont they go find the best announcers to announce, cashman isnt looking for the best announcers to play cf…
Patrick- I think the window he’s referring to is Felix’s being a free agent in 2015.
Rosy,
I respect your fanhood
Pat M,
Both? I like aggressive Pat M
she’s… sorry
“It would be kinda funny if the Yanks went full Japan mode and signed Darvish, Kuroda, Kuo, Nagasaki……..bring back Godzilla too!”
For shame, blake. Kuo is from Taiwan.
Always give careful consideration to the player from Taiwan.
“The Giants will be upgrading their offense at some point this offseason… right?”
Melky + Angel Pagan + Buster Posey coming back + their hope that the Panda will lose those 30 lbs… again.
Patrick- I think the window he’s referring to is Felix’s being a free agent in 2015.
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Eh I suppose… that’s not really a term you hear with regards to a guy hitting free agency it’s more meant to indicate a guy is on the downslope of his career. And that’s still 4 seasons of Felix in his prime. And who’s to say he wouldn’t re-sign with them?
Y’s,
I agree…..I think the bid will reach 50 million. These things don’t go backwards……nobody thought Albert would get 250…….nobody thought Reyes would get 100…….precedent has been set on Dice K and Darvish is better and younger…..
patrick – I can think of about 20 million reasons why he won’t resign with Seattle lol
Tired of hearing about Darvish? just wait and your going to get real tired. Of all the options (Yanks no bid, Yanks lose bid, Yanks win and it’s now onto the 30 day salary negotiation), I can’t see Yu disappearing from this blog anytime soon. Each faction will be ready and willing to rip into each other about the outcome.
I guess the we gave it the old college try but lost out as long as the bid was reasonable probaly stands the best chance of causing the least controversy. Personally I hope we win the bid and at least have the opportunity to debate what the salary should be. Not taking the chance or having the guy go possibly to a competitor is something I would not look forward to.
“For shame, blake. Kuo is from Taiwan.”
My bad…..how about full asian mode then
Patrick December 13th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
And that’s still 4 seasons of Felix in his prime.
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Three. 2012-2014. FA after ’14.
“Felix’s window isn’t closing that quickly, he’s still only 25 years old!”
True…..but the issue is whether they will compete in before his contract is up…..if the answer is no then they should trade him or offer him a new contract to buy more time
to. He would bring an incredible haul right now……the longer the clock ticks the less that return is going to become.
Sweet Lou coming back home. Love him.
patrick – I can think of about 20 million reasons why he won’t resign with Seattle lol
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Prior to the 2010 season he signed a 5 year deal ($87 million) giving up 3 seasons of free agency.. he would have been a free agent this offseason. The Mariners aren’t poor, I wouldn’t be surprised if he stayed with them, assuming they are a contending team when he hits free agency
what’s it going to take to sign both of the cuban outfielders?
cespedes – 4/50?
soler 4/20?
worth the risk, imo. still cheaper and less years than yu darvish and addresses a team need
- UP TO THE MINUTE YU DARVISH WAR ROOM BID PROJECTIONS -
(1) NEW YORK YANKEES – $24,000,028
(2) WASHINGTON NATS – $21,000,001
(3) MIAMI MARLINS – $17,000,000
(4) SEATTLE MARINERS – $16,900,000
(5) TEXAS RANGERS – OUT-TO-LUNCH AT APPLEBEES
patrick – I can accept that, if they are competing then he would at least consider signing with them. I’d be willing to bet that they ran this “we’re rebuilding, we’ll compete in x years” thing by him when they talked him into the extension though… I don’t think anything stops him from going to free agency this time.
Oreo’s sign Tsuyoshi Wada, a lefty control pitcher from MLBTR
Wada posted a 1.51 ERA with 8.2 K/9 and 1.9 BB/9 in 184 2/3 innings for the Fukuoka Softbank Hawks in 2011
The AL east japanese arms race has begun, unleash Darvish
“….how about full asian mode then”
We really need to acquire Shin Shoo Choo to play right field. He can fill out our Pacific Rim-oriented roster and replace Swisher’s goofy grin with a kimchi-flavored glower.
They definitely should sign Soler
We really need to acquire Shin Shoo Choo to play right field. He can fill out our Pacific Rim-oriented roster and replace Swisher’s goofy grin with a kimchi-flavored glower.
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I know you are joking but I’d really love Choo on this team.
“We really need to acquire Shin Shoo Choo to play right field.”
Id be cool with that.
Choo has been a Lohud want for awhile.
Jerkface December 13th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Oreo’s sign Tsuyoshi Wada, a lefty control pitcher from MLBTR
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That sucks. Now what is MLBTR going to do for a lefty this year?
DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
- UP TO THE MINUTE YU DARVISH WAR ROOM BID PROJECTIONS -
(1) NEW YORK YANKEES – $24,000,028
(2) WASHINGTON NATS – $21,000,001
(3) IAMI MARLINS – $17,000,000
(4) SEATTLE MARINERS – $16,900,000
(5) TEXAS RANGERS – OUT-TO-LUNCH AT APPLEBEES
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Donny, I can’t see it less than $50M. I think once you get to 30ish it’s easy to get to 40-50M. Being that it’s a one time payment I don’t think it’s as big a deal as the salary. Yank’s are flush with cash it’s the #1 sports francise in the world and a revenue generating monster. Forbes has some numbers that had revenue at about $450M with player salary about 1/2 that.
I was joking but I also wasn’t joking.
I would dedicate a full bowl of spicy Yukejang to Choo if he came to the Yankees.
blake December 13th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
They definitely should sign Soler
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Blake, what do you think? If they pony up for Darvish do they have the money left for either Soler or Csepedas?
Orioles may be going after Wei-Yin Chen, LHP from Chunichi that is an IFA.
Here is the NPB Tracker writeup:
Wei-Yin Chen (SP, Chunichi Dragons) — Chunichi’s Taiwanese lefty ace negotiated a free agency clause into his agreement last offseason, and intends to move to the Bigs for 2012. I’ve only watched Chen once this year, and it looked like he traded some velocity for pitchability. It’s unusual to have an established lefty with a good arm freely available on the market at age 26, so it’ll be interesting to see where he winds up. Expect more on Chen in a later post.
I’ve seen him pitch twice, he is pretty good! He would be a good pickup by a non-contending team to see if he has something or by a contending team for a back of the rotation spot.
Kimchi RF better than American RF
“Blake, what do you think? If they pony up for Darvish do they have the money left for either Soler or Csepedas?”
They can afford whatever they want……the question is will they. My guess is Darvish +Soler would be the limit
blake December 13th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
“Blake, what do you think? If they pony up for Darvish do they have the money left for either Soler or Csepedas?”
They can afford whatever they want……the question is will they. My guess is Darvish +Soler would be the limit
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Well they have the Posada money which I think was $15M unless they are banking that and not wanting to spend it.
Too bad Igawa couldnt experience this 2011 Asian Invasion party. It would have been home
away from home.
Whats the deal with this bid projection thing? I thought it was hush hush top secret bidding going on?
Whats the deal with this bid projection thing? I thought it was hush hush top secret bidding going on?
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Donny is literally a crazy person making stuff up
Looks like Carig has Randy I nailed to a tee.
MarcCarig *Randy giggling in background* Old Man: He looks like a pink nightmare.
Isn’t the bidding on Darvish closed at 5pm tomorrow?
My guess is Darvish and the long-terming of Cano will be the Last 2 big $$$ signings for a while. At that point it will be trying to get down to or maintaining $189 Mill\2014.
My guess is Darvish and the long-terming of Cano will be the Last 2 big $$$ signings for a while. At that point it will be trying to get down to or maintaining $189 Mill\2014.
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Cole Hamels…
If Hamels hits the market they will get George’s wallet out of the safe
“Wei-Yin Chen (SP, Chunichi Dragons) — Chunichi’s Taiwanese lefty ace”
Taiwanese pitcher who will be coming from Japan? Best of both worlds, go all in, Cashman!
$189 Mill \ 2014 gets center stage.
If Hamels hits the market they will get George’s wallet out of the safe
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There is no way Hamels doesn’t hit free agency. And I doubt the Phillies have enough to sign him when he hits the open market.
GreenBeret7 December 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Looks like Carig has Randy I nailed to a tee.
MarcCarig *Randy giggling in background* Old Man: He looks like a pink nightmare.
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Ha ha ha ha
On a completely unrelated note, I think I’m at the point where I can quote that movie from memory.
Well they have the Posada money which I think was $15M unless they are banking that and not wanting to spend it
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Or paying raises with it. Raises for Cano, Granderson, Swisher and Garcia add up to $10.5M. Martin and Hughes will likely be around another $5M. Also arb’s for Gardner, Robertson, Logan and Chamberlain.
blake December 13th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
If Hamels hits the market they will get George’s wallet out of the safe
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Blake I almost always respect your opinion
but I wonder why you think this guy is such a stud? Don’t get me wrong he is a good picher but his record is 74-54 with an ERA about 3.5 even after pitching for the Phillies who have themselves been studs for many of these years. Am I right in remembering that we hit him pretty hard in 2009 in the WS?
Jerkface December 13th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Oreo’s sign Tsuyoshi Wada, a lefty control pitcher from MLBTR
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Did Nabisco buy the Dodgers or something?
Patrick December 13th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
If Hamels hits the market they will get George’s wallet out of the safe
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There is no way Hamels doesn’t hit free agency. And I doubt the Phillies have enough to sign him when he hits the open market.
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There are plenty of potential suitors in the NL which is pretty pitcher friendly. Why does he come to the AL and give that up? I think both the mets and the phillies themselves make pretty substantial bids.
If the Phillies lose out on Rollins, it would appear that they would desperately need offense. Can you see them exploring a trade of Hamels for lets say Swish, Nooney and one of the B’s? Too much? Not enough? With a window to extend him of course.
“Timing is EVERYTHING”. Hamels will hit the open market at the Wrong time for the Yankees.
$189 Mill\2014 will be in the Yankee crosshairs, Not Hamels.
gary – you quoted numbers most pitchers would die for… and then asked why they are good… did you bump your head?
donnybrook – they only have $74mil committed for 2014, they will have no problem getting under the $184mil and signing Hamels.
Irreverent Discourse December 13th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
gary – you quoted numbers most pitchers would die for… and then asked why they are good… did you bump your head?
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You know your on the web quite a bit and I would not mind responding to your posts if you weren’t so negative to other posters. I didn’t mind the first comments they were fair. Did we really need the last part?
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I assume that $74 Mill does NOT include Jeet. Those negotiations should be a hum-dinger.
I assume that $74 Mill does NOT include Jeet. Those negotiations should be a hum-dinger.
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There is no negotiation, is there? It’s a player option. He picks it up or he’s probably done.
There are plenty of potential suitors in the NL which is pretty pitcher friendly. Why does he come to the AL and give that up? I think both the mets and the phillies themselves make pretty substantial bids.
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The Mets have no money, they just got another loan just so they could make payroll. The Phillies will certainly put in a big offer, my point earlier was that to lock him up before he hits free agency they would have to blow him out of the water which I don’t think they can do financially.
Hamels will go where the money is like 99% of all professional athletes.
And GB7, you are understating Hamels’ ability by a lot. First of all, his record doesn’t matter one bit. Secondly, look at his last two years .. over 200 innings both years, 3.06 era and 2.79 era, great k/9, etc. He’s an ace
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He Bops everyone around now and then. No malicious intent involved in my opinion.
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I did Not know Jeet had the option. Thanks
Gary – I don’t particularly care what you mind or not… if you are that thin-skinned you need to get off the internet.
For starters, I haven’t said a word about Hamels.
Most pitchers can’t pitch to a 3.39 ERA (which is his actual ERA, not 3.5) or 1.1 WHIP… or strikeout a guy per inning while holding nearly a 4 K/BB.
You quoted a pitcher with good, if not great numbers… and then implied that the guy holding them is not a stud pitcher….
So, seriously… without getting your sensitive panties in a bunch, did you bump your head?
And GB7, you are understating Hamels’ ability by a lot
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Patrick:
I believe that was Gary, rather than GB7, who was underselling Hamels.
No easy the Phillies let Hamels hit the market. They will either extend him or trade him somewhere and he’ll be extended.
Sorry GB7 that was Gary. I scanned past the name, saw the G thought it was you. My apologies
Irreverent Discourse December 13th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Gary – I don’t particularly care what you mind or not
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Obviously
no way*
AAO – They’ll try, but it’s the players decision to sign an extension or not. With the new CBA, he’d be crazy to.
agree…..I think the bid will reach 50 million. These things don’t go backwards……nobody thought Albert would get 250…….nobody thought Reyes would get 100…….precedent has been set on Dice K and Darvish is better and younger…..
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Precedent set and failed.
Dice K clearly wasnt worth the 103 Million total and no one will put that much out for Darvish.
Regarding Hamels, i see NO WAY philly trades him and i see them resigning him also, since there is only 2 years left on Halladay’s contract.
No easy the Phillies let Hamels hit the market. They will either extend him or trade him somewhere and he’ll be extended.
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I think they’ll extend him. Bad contracts in Polanco and Blanton come off after this year. Give Blanton’s $10.5 to Hamels and they’d almost be home.
True you have a point.
dogface December 13th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
And GB7, you are understating Hamels’ ability by a lot
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Patrick:
I believe that was Gary, rather than GB7, who was underselling Hamels.
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Wasn’t underselling him, sorry. I did say he was a good pitcher, but not one I thought you would throw the cady bar the door money at. Would he make a good asset to the team, sure.
- UP TO THE MINUTE YU DARVISH WAR ROOM BIDDING PROJECTIONS -
(1) NEW YORK YANKEES – $29,000,028
(2) WASHINGTON NATS – $21,000,001
(3) MIAMI MARLINS – $20,000,010
(4) SEATTLE MARINERS – $19,000,500
(5) TEXAS RANGERS – $19,000,010
Wasn’t underselling him, sorry. I did say he was a good pitcher, but not one I thought you would throw the cady bar the door money at. Would he make a good asset to the team, sure.
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You were underselling him and still are, sorry.
I wish Cashman would seriously consider trying again with Joba as a starter now that he had a year off and Tommy John….. If he is right, he is the #2 in that 1/2 punch with CC.
I like Hamels, but those are NL Numbers and should be viewed with that in mind.
I like Hamels, but those are NL Numbers and should be viewed with that in mind.
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gonk
Hold tight this year and give it our best shot… then throw $160 million at Hamels, Add Mason Williams, Betances, Banuelos to the roster and start a new dynasty from 2013 on….
I would not expect to see high profile players signing extensions… until they change the CBA again. I wouldn’t expect to see a lot of young players signing deals giving away their early FA years anymore either… although I never really understood those deals from the players perspective to begin with.
The new CBA has removed the ability for the competitive teams to restock from IFA and overslotting draft picks, the last bastion of competitive hope for teams outside of their own farm systems is free agency.
Agents are not stupid, they know that now the only way for perennial winning teams to stay competitive under the new CBA is overpaying through free agency. They will instruct their clients as such. Extended contracts, just like the “lifetime player”will go the way of the dinosaur.
DONNYBROOK December 13th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I like Hamels, but those are NL Numbers and should be viewed with that in mind.
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Sure no DH over there, we dusted him for a 10.5 ERA in 2009 in the world series.
So you are going to base his worth on 4 innings?
Hamels is from Cali right?
Maybe he goes to Anaheim and they make a badass 4some there like they had in Philly, unless we sign Haren after next season on a shorter deal than Hamels will want.
Hollywood Cole Hamels? No thank you, I’m already tired of Hollywood Swisher and Hollywood Jeter!
Anaheim already has a badass 4 some… Weaver, Haren, Wilson, Santana is pretty amazing
Hollywood Hamels could walk to the mound with NWO music and a blue and white Yankee boa…..
Irreverent Discourse December 13th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
So you are going to base his worth on 4 innings?
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No, but I remember the absolute glee here at that time about crushing the great Hamels in the WS and the comments about how the NL isn’t the AL batting wise.
Like I said he’s a good pitcher and he would be an asset to the club. I don’t even know on half the stuff here what the arguments are about.
Gary,
09 was a blip on the radar for Hamels…..he had a hangover from the year before and his stuff was down that year….he’s a very good pitcher and is entering his prime…..adding him would be like adding another Sabathia to the rotation.
Ac1,
Arods contract didn’t stop Pujols from getting 254 million bucks…..salaries in general down to backwards in baseball.
I don’t know if Joba would even be able to pitch in the majors this year if he had to stretch out to be a starter.
I am still convinced that moving forward Joba is the #2 we need (even though we havent really seen him sustain it)… I thought that from the time i first watched him pitch in the minors and it would be much less costly than 150 to Hamels…..
CC and 4 ‘prospects’ starting in 2013 on….
CC/Joba/Nova/Noesi/Hughes/Banuelos etc………
We have the pieces to make this staff from within, and save a bundle….
ac1 – I agree, at least to the extent that I think they should try to turn him back into a starter now. It’s the perfect opportunity. If it doesn’t work out he can always go back to the bullpen…
I’m not so concerned about him pitching this year as i am about maximizing potential.
Yeah Joba would be more of a 2013 and beyond starter, along with MannyB…
I see headhunting James Harrison got the one game suspension. Of course is appealing. You have to love the game and the money to go out there as it’s mayhem every week. Alot of these guys won’t be able to remember their name when they are 45. Scary the number of head injuries out there every week.
# ac1 December 13th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I wish Cashman would seriously consider trying again with Joba as a starter now that he had a year off and Tommy John….. If he is right, he is the #2 in that 1/2 punch with CC.
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Makes too much sense to do that.
His talent is just so wasted in the 7th inning. Cory Wade can pitch the 7th inning.
Robertson is likely going to stay in the 8th and there is still Soriano for 2 more years…..
If Mo retires, Robertson is still there to close so Joba should definitely be where we can max his potential. I mean, we didnt trade for Haren partly because of Joba so leaving him in the middle relief is a waste.
Joba never should have pitched in the pen in the first place. Huge mistake by Cashman
Except all the good players that we want are already locked up for the next 4-5 years…. Upton, Tulo, CarGo, Kemp, Braun, Longo, All the good Tampa pitchers, Stanton, Strasburg, Harper, Heyward, Hanson, etc.
The FA class next year is not terrible… Danks, Cain, Hamels, Ethier.
SF will lock up Matt Cain (i’d be shocked if they didnt)….
By 2013 we wont have a need for Danks
Ethier, maybe (hoping that one of our Prospects rises up fast this year)
Hamels, we already discussed (go for him if he gets that far)
ac1 December 13th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
His talent is just so wasted in the 7th inning. Cory Wade can pitch the 7th inning.
Robertson is likely going to stay in the 8th and there is still Soriano for 2 more years…..
If Mo retires, Robertson is still there to close so Joba should definitely be where we can max his potential. I mean, we didnt trade for Haren partly because of Joba so leaving him in the middle relief is a waste.
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I think it boils down to what is his velocity and what is his control when he comes back? He hasn’t had the control in my opinion to allow him to be a starter. Sometimes he goes out there for one inning and gets dusted, sometimes he goes out and gets ikt done. can’t imagine what to expect given 6 more chances a game with his inconsistency. He looks like a guy that is a reliever right now.
“His talent is just so wasted in the 7th inning. Cory Wade can pitch the 7th inning.”
Totally agree
sorry if these questions have been answered at some point and I missed it…
re: Darvish
- what time does the bidding close tomorrow?
- when is the winning bidder announced? (before or after the team accepts/declines?)
- are ALL the bids made public as a matter of course? or just the winning bid? (and whatever happens to leak out)
Hollywood Hamels is an NL CHUCKER. Proceed with CAUTION.
Speaking of which I’m going to CHUCK myself off a building if the Yankees sign Thurman Martin to a long term contract.
Rosy – Bidding is closed at 5, the team in japan is notified of the winning bid $ amount (not sure if they are notified of which team placed the bid, i don’t believe they are).
They have til Tuesday 5pm (4 business days) to accept the bid.
Only the winning bid is made public by the league. Teams may say whatever they want, or lie about their bid… doesn’t really matter.
Hopefully Hughes is standing on the street so he can cushion my fall like a plush mattress.
LGY – With any luck you’ll find some new material on the way down.
DEJESUS!.
lol
Hamels will stay in the NL- my guess is the Dodgers after Cuban buys the team.
Kershaw
Hamels
Billingsly
That may be the best in the NL in ’13….
I pray that Rothschild is of the opinion that Joba should be stretched out as a Sp next year and makes it his mission to convince Ca$h and Gen. Joe of this….
Sign Cespedes( 6/40mm) and Soler(6/15mm) send Cespedes to AAA to prove himself and Soler to the gulf coast league for a month or so and if he looks like he can handle it Low- A Charleston to play along side Mason, Dante, Cito, Gumbs and Gamel