Darvish bidding comes to an end
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 14, 2011 
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What’s done is done.
The posting period for Yu Darvish ended at 5 p.m. ET, which means all of the bids are in. Now we wait for an announcement and a decision. As you might expect, calls to Brian Cashman’s office and cell phone went quickly to voicemail as I’m sure the Yankees general manager is getting plenty of calls right about now.
If the Yankees say anything definitive about their Darvish interest, it will be now that the bidding has closed. Even then, this organization usually keeps its cards pretty well hidden.
It is amazing how thoroughly expectations have changed. Not so long ago, the Yankees were seen as a favorite. Now they seem like bit players, engaged only to make sure the price doesn’t fall lower than anyone expects.
Associated Press photo
“Twitter is over capacity.”
It’s a Yu-bomb!
Mariners !
repost:
“That projection would be with Kuroda replacing AJ?”
That’s a good question. I was just using 5th starter for the yankees = 1 war generic placeholder I guess.
Kuroda projects as a 2.5 WAR guy. But last season he was a 4 WAR pitcher. At his age the projections start discounting based on pure age along too much, IMO. Not that many good comparable anymore.
I’ll just say Kuroda is a 3 WAR guy.
So yanks would be up +2 with Kuroda.
Practically, I think the benefit would be even more if you can get rid of AJ. But that’s just me – that’s not the projections. Just think AJ’s stuff is decaying so his past performance isn’t a great indicator anymore.
But conservatively 94 + 2 + 1-2 with the bench.
That’s roughly what I was thinking.
Patrick December 14th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
I like Kuo too! He seems like a no-brainer especially on a high salary miLB deal.
Cosmo-
I think you might be right!
it’s now 7:23 AM Thursday morning in Tokyo. Wonder which Ham Fighter is leaking the info now to the Japanese press?
@nickcafardo: Red Sox did not submit a posting on Yu Darvish.
Go Yankees, hope the win the posting.
Kuroda would be amenable to signing with the Yankees per the infallible Jon Heyman.
If the Yankees don’t win the Darvish bid, or if they weren’t seriously interested in the first place, I would hope they aggressively go after Kuroda on a one year deal.
Willingham to the Twins has to mean Cuddyer to the Rockies. Thus, the Rockies won’t be needing Jones.
“@nickcafardo: Red Sox did not submit a posting on Yu Darvish.”
But Bobby V loves him?
Yankee Trader December 14th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Darvish & Ichiro ?
King Felix – Darvish – Pineda – Vargas ?
Nintendo of America has plenty of dough to spend.
Could set off a frenzy of season ticket sales for them.
Rosy would be very happy !
Yankee Trader December 14th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Cosmo-
I think you might be right!
it’s now 7:23 AM Thursday morning in Tokyo. Wonder which Ham Fighter is leaking the info now to the Japanese press?
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It’s not “Ham Fighters” (although that would be funny), it’s just “Fighters”. “Nippon Ham” is the name of the company that owns the team.
If the Yankees don’t win the Darvish bid, or if they weren’t seriously interested in the first place, I would hope they aggressively go after Kuroda on a one year deal.
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I hope they win the Darvish posting AND grab Kuroda.
blake December 14th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
“@nickcafardo: Red Sox did not submit a posting on Yu Darvish.”
But Bobby V loves him?
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Bobby V doesn’t write the checks.
I dont think the Mariners will bid on Darvish, they need offense more than they need pitching. If they were better setup to compete maybe, but I can’t see them adding Darvish to Felix+Pineda+Vargas when they cant even get a bat to sign.
I think the winner will come from the circle of: Nats, Rangers, Yankees. Hope its the Yankees, if not the Nats.
What would the Yanks do with Murphy? He shouldn’t be allowed around any gloves unless they have Bert and Ernie on them. He certainly wouldn’t be taking away at bats from Montero, Rodriguez and the other Yankee bats.
jacksquat December 14th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
They have ‘Ham’ in Japan ?
Yankees are going to win the bid with a number in the high 40′s low 50′s. Regardless of who wins I think Darvish outperforms everyone on the Yankee staff other than CC.
Nothing to do but toss a Yu-le log onto the fire and wait for the news.
Nippon Ham means Nippon Meat packers, literally.
The M’s could certainly sign Prince for that HOLE they have at 1B.
The M’s could certainly sign Prince for that HOLE they have at 1B.
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Yea if anyone wanted to hit in that stadium and they actually spent real money. They have one of the worst 100 mil rosters in the game, can’t see them adding 50 mil on top of it.
On November 19, 1973, meatpacking company Nippon Ham purchased the team. The club’s name changed to the Nippon-Ham Fighters.
They moved to the Sapporo Dome its new home beginning in 2004. Aiming to build a grassroots relationship with its future fans, the team decided to change its name to the Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters.
Aren’t they still called the Ham Fighters?
Yu broke twitter!
There was a rumor that the Mariners might be in it to win it. Then they would trade off some of their young pitching, not named King Felix, for offense.
Yankee Trader December 14th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Is ‘Ham” a type of sushi in Japan ?
Japanese people usually refer to the team as ‘Nippon-Ham’ ‘nichi-hammu’
Sponichi threw up an article a few hours ago that mentions an MLB source talking about Darvish wanting to play for a team on the West coast — think warm weather and fairly large Japanese communities.
But therein lies the problem.
There are probably no West coast teams that can afford to pay top dollar on both the posting fee (US$50M?) and salary (Darvish apparently wants US$20M a year). That means even if a West coast team manages to win the bidding, they might not have enough left over to sign Darvish.
One could almost wonder if Darvish might be trying to set up these impossible conditions just to prove some sort of point about the posting system.
In any case, the mystery team will soon be revealed.
They do not fight ham, a battle which would be useless to wage and difficult to win.
Think of it as you would think of a team called the Coca-Cola Fighters or the Kraft Foods Fighters.
It would be in the Sox strategic best interest not to say whether or not they made a bid – even if they did or didn’t.
They are just so predictable though. Minutes after the deadline they rush to leak that they haven’ t made a big – just to further set expectations for the fanbase.
That organization, err that lucchino just can’t keep business private. They leak about everything.
The Fighters, sponsored by Ham!
Even those ‘leaks’ that run down the backs of their legs……….How sad.
well, there is a lot of paranoia and insecurity in boston.
Bobby Valentine, when first interviewed after Francona was let go, said he didn’t think he’d be a good fit for the Red Sox. I believe he won’t last the 3 years on his contract.
Villa Nova-Ya December 14th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
The Fighters, sponsored by Ham!
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Do those ‘Ham Fighters’ also make ‘Spam’ over there ? Is that what happened to Twitter a little while ago ? ?
IMO it would be idiotic for the Mariners to go after Darvish.
They should try getting an offense first.
With or without him the Rangers and the Halos are going to bury them.
Sponichi morning headlines from 12/15/2011:
Hiroki Kuroda may have gotten a one-year deal worth around US$13M from the Arizona Diamondbacks. With the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox also interested, Kuroda will likely wait to hear from them (and anyone else) before making his final decision.
Mr. MTU but it would make Rosy very happy !
Many if not most teams would like to be in the situation the TB Rays are in with their glut of starting pitching which in their case is based mostly on financial considerations.
http://www.tampabay.com/sports.....206175.ece
‘They should try getting an offense first’.
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Don’t the M’s for the most part do things a** backwards anyways ?
It is better to love ham than to fight it.
If the $13M offer to Kuroda is true, I don’t see the Yankees doing much, if any above. He is a short term investment not impacting 2014.
http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ght-61079/
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Man I’m pretty nervous about this. I hope Cash and Co. won the bid.
I still find it hilarious, re: the Sherman tweet about how our Japanese SS won’t sign here because Bobby V is “enamored” with him and will compel him to go back to Japan for a year and sign with BOS in 2012.
No twitter leak? How poor is this technology?
Haha, Gammons just called the Ham Fighters the “Foo Fighters” Old Peter with the comedy routine.
4time December 14th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
I still find it hilarious, re: the Sherman tweet about how our Japanese SS won’t sign here because Bobby V is “enamored” with him and will compel him to go back to Japan for a year and sign with BOS in 2012.
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Actually the way I read it, he attributes this to a baseball executive. It’s not Sherman’s opinion. Anyway everything, especially involving Japanese player movement, is speculation at this point.
If Darvish ends being a bust, will fans yell ‘Yu stink!!’??
“Yea if anyone wanted to hit in that stadium and they actually spent real money. They have one of the worst 100 mil rosters in the game, can’t see them adding 50 mil on top of it.”
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- Ichiro + Felix + Figgins = 46.5 mil (would love to get rid of Figgins … fat chance though)
- handful making around 5mil
- most of the rest league minimum to about 2.5mil
http://tinyurl.com/7kel9tc
Rosy is quite optimistic and very loyal when it comes to her M’s. She wants to get rid of Figgins. Tells you how much Figgins sucks, lol.
Your little link lists: 94 mil at the bottom after arbitration/options. So…? Then they’re supposed to get Darvish (100 mil) and Prince Fielder (200 mil)?
Some nobody blue jays “guest blogger” started a rumor that the Blue Jays have won the bid for Yu. Of course he has an anonymous source…
UnKnown December 14th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Haha, Gammons just called the Ham Fighters the “Foo Fighters” Old Peter with the comedy routine.
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It’s times like these………………………………………………………………………………
An anonymous source told me that the Yankees paid the Ham Fighters in moat seats to keep Darvish in Japan for another year.
Chad has been relegating the Yanks to back benchers for Yu for a few days now. I think he is so wrong.
Yet another uneventful day in Yankeeland .
Red Robin December 14th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Yet another uneventful day in Yankeeland .
Just like yesterday, just like tomm.
@JeffWilson_FWST: Hamilton: Accountability partner update expected in next few days http://t.co/V0zwKpa9
When you’re the best, the pissants move around you.
JF ~
It’s not “my little link”
I pulled it from Cot’s because I hadn’t looked at the salary distribution lately.
I was just pointing out that 3 players currently make up the bulk of it: Felix (worth every penny), Ichiro and Figgins. The $94mil was for 2011 (which included about 20mil for Bradley, Wilson and Cust that’s now off the books).
For the record, I haven’t said that they were GOING to get Darvish and/or Prince… predicting and hoping are two different animals
I thought all the clubs were bound to no comment on the Darvish Posting until the official notification is out?
uncarceratedbobIncarcerated Bob
***BREAKING #MLB NEWS*** The #BlueJays have put in a huge bid for Yu Darvish and have won the bidding. #Cubs a distant 2nd. #IBN
lol
Gary – I believe they are not allowed to reveal dollar amounts until the bid is accepted or rejected. Also, you can pretty safely assume that all rumors about the bids you read from now until the actual winner is announced are based on absolutely nothing.
Accountability partner?
I clipped this quote from Joe, doesn’t seem to me that he’s talking about a potential player that just gets a pass by to try and sign him.
“[Darvish] is a young man out of Japan that we know has a lot of talent,” said Yankees manager Joe Girardi. “Whenever the Yankees have a chance to get better, we investigate all of our leads. He’s someone that we have followed closely, and we’ll see what happens.”
CP3 to the Clips.
Now we wait to see if Stern swoops in with the weakside block.
Here is the latest on MLB Rumors, many of them IF TRUE don’t come as a surprise
•The Angels did not bid on Darvish, according to MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez (on Twitter).
•Three MLB executives speculated that the Blue Jays and Rangers are candidates to win the bidding for Darvish, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (on Twitter).
•The Twins did not bid on Darvish, according to Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis Star Tribune (on Twitter).
•The Red Sox did not bid on Darvish, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe (on Twitter).
•At least one team submitted a bid on Darvish, according to Jack Curry of the YES Network (on Twitter). Nippon, which doesn’t know the identity of the MLB team that won the bidding, must decide whether to accept the high bid by Tuesday.
•One MLB official expects an announcement regarding the winning bid tonight or tomorrow morning, tweets Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post.
•The Orioles are not bidding on Darvish, Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com reports (on Twitter).
I used to use the handle Ham_Fighters here before i used this one. It’s also the name i use on all my fantasy baseball teams. I used to work in a smokehouse and collectively the gang that worked there used to call ourselves the ham-fighters!
PeteAbe – Regardless of what happens next, Varitek will go down as one of the best players in franchise history given his influence on the 2004 and ’07 titles. Plus he gave that clown A-Rod a smack in the face. Any bar worth going to in New England has that photo hanging somewhere.
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Pete is still on this thing with Alex. Holy Smokes man, Give It Up Already. Plus Varitek should’ve taken his mask off if he really wanted to be such a tough guy.
Best thing of this whole off season is going to be the fact that it looks like I won’t have to look at that loser and his dumb Red C on his jersey 18 times next year. Good Riddance. As for Pete Abe his act is really tired, old, and very Sad.
•The Yankees did not bid, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter link).
unknown i posted that earlier, it is funny pete’s obsession with arod.
@Buster_ESPNBuster Olney
Sources: the Yankees did post an offer on Yu Darvish.
The $94mil was for 2011 (which included about 20mil for Bradley, Wilson and Cust that’s now off the books).
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BB-Ref/Cots estimates the Mariners 2012 payroll at 95 million right now. its not just for 2011? 2012 committed: 54 million + 31 million arb + 8 million other
Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN
Following
Sources: the Yankees did post an offer on Yu Darvish.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 5m Sources: the Yankees did post an offer on Yu Darvish.
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Top notch reporting from Buster.
ron December 14th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
•The Yankees did not bid, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter link).
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Buster_ESPNBuster Olney
Sources: the Yankees did post an offer on Yu Darvish.
Good team effort on getting that one right
Almost as good as Jack Curry’s at least one team bid on Darvish tweet.
I can’t remember but was it the Mets or Padres who had the second high bid for Dice K?
Where is Donnybrook with the winner?
Yu Darvish is a pitcher. #betterthanobvious
I can’t remember but was it the Mets or Padres who had the second high bid for Dice K?
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Mets
Red Sox, Mets, Yankees
Call from MLB office to Nippon Ham Fighters, we have a bid for $35M for Yu, would you like to call us back in 4 days and let us know if your OK with it?
Duh
so im gonna make my prediction now, i’m gonna guess the nationals win the bidding and its just over $40M
So this is actually going to happen tonight?
My prediction is
blu jays
nationals
rangers
yankees
All I Want For Christmas Is Yu
there’s not a chance in the world that the fighters turn down the bid, so we should find out pretty quickly, likely tomorrow, imo. Was’t there a rumor out almost immediately about the sox bidding really high on dice k?
Source: the Yankees DID place a bid on Matsuzaka, but will likely not win the services of the crafty gyroballer.
First news release about an actual number for Matsuzaka was 8 or 9 business days after posting.
kev, the bids are in to mlb i believe, then the commish calls the japanese team and tells them who the high bidder is probably tonight. The fighters have 4 days to accept the bid, but they apparently really need the money, so everyone assumes they will accept really quickly, then it will be announced. But we’re dealing with a different culture here, you dont know if there is a custom, or a holiday, or something that would make them wait a day or two even though everyone knows they want the money…
The stupidest comment I have seen
“At least one team submitted a bid on Darvish, according to Jack Curry of the YES ”
Um, wow, big news.
Very sad to hear that the NYY appear to have held out of the bidding. Also surprised to hear all of the teams listed as not having thrown in a bid. If the bid comes in relatively low (always a possibility), many teams will look foolish. I also think he will be the real deal and the Yanks will look bad in retrospect.
Yu don’t know how it feels….
•In a poll of over 26,000 MLBTR readers yesterday, 27% felt the Yankees would win the bid, followed by 17% for the Blue Jays and 15% for the Rangers.
Wow, just saw the update from RAB that Olney is now saying that the NYY did in fact bid… Glad to hear (obviously – not my money).
DKnobler
Still don’t know what the number of winning bid for Darvish was, but sources say the Fighters were very excited by how high it was
The Toronto Yu Jays?
Cashman came into this offseason with one mandate, he said as much himself, get pitching. He didn’t bother to meet with presumably the best free agent starters on the mkt, buehrle / wilson. He has said for 2+ years the trade mkt is too expensive for him. And now he has a chance to add darvish…….if he wasn’t aggressive here then its time to start recognizing that this team is scare shtless about their 2014+ beyond payroll obligations to unproductive players and u can expect an extended rebuilding period.
did rab actually post that the yankees didnt submit a bid?
K Long has worked with Montero, Cervelli, Laird and Dickerson this offseason already.
Alex and Brett on the schedule for January in Miami.
carlo, what a joke you just posted. basically you are saying that if they decide to go under $180M, they are rebuiding. some rebuiding there…lol. it is possible that that ‘rebuilding’ team will still have the highest payroll in baseball…
Shocking Yu Darvish update not this way
The Ham Fighters will know what the winning bid is, but, not by who. They’ll find out who after they accept the bid.
YS – rebuilding and payroll have nothing to do with each other given the fact that the payroll is going to be absorbed by bad contracts. The fact is, if they don’t get darvish, then it should tell u that they will again go into next year short pitching and unlikely to add because cashman won’t pull the trigger on trades for banuelos, betances, or montero. Remember when brackman was the 3rd “B”? If they don’t make deals, and they don’t aggressively pursue free agent starters when their rotation is weak, what do u think their plan is?
ron December 14th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
In a poll of over 26,000 MLBTR readers yesterday, 27% felt the Yankees would win the bid, followed by 17% for the Blue Jays and 15% for the Rangers.
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Posted hours ago, thanks.
Ys Guy December 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
did rab actually post that the yankees didnt submit a bid?
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No…..http://riveraveblues.com/
carlo,calm down, the won 97 last year with the same staff, and all is not lost if they dont get yu, there are still plenty of deals to be made. Not getting Yu does not signal rebuidling. take a breath!
I don’t base a seasons success on regular season wins.
can i just suggest that there is a teeny weeny little space between having the highest payroll and rebuilding…
And I am very calm.
YS – yes, that suggestion is valid. Its yankee rebuilding, its a bit different than the traditional style.
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word is, #yankees entered only a modest bid for darvish. not likely to get. indications are winning bid is sky-high
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i dont believe any of these guys about what the yankees did. i think most of the time the info they get comes from agents but in this case, only top end officials really know what the bid is going to be, not negotiators, lawyers, agents, players, etc.
wrong there. the yankees count the highest # of innings a pitcher has thrown in any year of his career as the # they can increase from. Noesi threw a total of 160 innings in 2010, so by the +30 approach they use, he can throw 190 innings in 2012. Nova threw 181 innings in the majors, minors and postseason combined last year.