Trade market prices remain sky high
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 16, 2011 
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It seems not much has changed in the week since baseball Winter Meetings came to an end.
“I could add significant payroll,” Brian Cashman said in Dallas, “and give up some serious top-end talent that’s cheap and under control for a long time. Those things are possible, but they wouldn’t be smart or wise moves or business decisions for the future of this franchise.”
One popular subject of fantasy trade proposals is Gio Gonzalez, but the A’s are asking for the Yankees very best prospects in return, and the Yankees don’t have the high-end third baseman they’re reportedly seeking. It’s not only the Yankees being asked to pay a premium price. The A’s reportedly asked the Marlins for Mike Stanton even though it’s hard to imagine Stanton as so much as a starting point for negotiations.
Young pitching is the game’s highest commodity, and clearly Gonzalez is being treated that way.
If the Yu Darvish posting ends and the winner paid less than 50 mil and its not the Yankees, then the Yankees made a huge mistake.
Please, NO Rent-A-Danks. Garza we can talk about depending on the price.
Jerkface, you really think the Yankees should have put Dice-K money down on this guy, after seeing what $50M got the Red Sox? No…
Renting Danks for the right price would be a great move…..right now the price is wrong.
There was a brief rumor that the Yankees bid $40 million plus somewhere.
Tell Beane and Kenny Williams to go chuck it.
GB….Nick in SF lives down the street from Bonds, maybe he can bring him some Japanese noodles……Face, hard to believe that the posting for Yu Darvish was below 50 million…….I so maybe the Yanks are still in the ballgame for him…….If the total package is less than 100 million maybe then you & LGYwill have your Christmas wishes come true…..
Jerkface, you really think the Yankees should have put Dice-K money down on this guy, after seeing what $50M got the Red Sox? No…
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So now Darvish = Dice K because they are both Japanese?
Assuming Darvish was good……if the Jays got him and Fielder that would be a pretty legit club.
Danks started out 0-8 last season….
Replace Betances with Warren/Phelps/Mitchell and replace Montero with Romine and there you go….
There isn’t a rookie in the world that worth $100 mil – $120 mil. That’s all he’s going to be…a rookie. Nobody would pay a 25 year old AAA pitcher that.
If the Yankees did bid 40 million then that is a really big shame especially considering they bid 30 million for Igawa
So now Darvish = Dice K because they are both Japanese?
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No, but bidding $50 M to talk to a pitcher that has never played in the US, who pitches with a different ball and on a different schedule?
No way you put 50M down on him.
Has Brad Pitt lost his mind? It’s Gio Freakin’ Gonzalez, not Sandy Koufax.
Name me ONE Japanese pitcher ever in MLB that showed to be worth 100 M….
Cashman coveting his own young arms, and then claiming other teams want to much for young Chuckers, is like Jed Clampett complaining about the price of a gallon of gas.
There isn’t a rookie in the world that worth $100 mil – $120 mil. That’s all he’s going to be…a rookie. Nobody would pay a 25 year old AAA pitcher that.
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Plenty of rookies worth that. Strasburg for one. Plus Darvish wouldn’t be a 25 year old rookie in triple A if he started his career here
Guess what? He didn’t start here and he hasn’t faced solid to outstanding ML hitters every 5 days, either.
Name me ONE Japanese pitcher ever in MLB that showed to be worth 100 M….
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Name me one Japanese pitcher who had the same stats for 5 straight years that Darvish had and were 25 when they came over
Strasburg isnt making 100M.
First off, Darvish is NOT a rookie. Just as Ichiro was NOT a rookie. Just as Matsui was NOT a rookie. Making that comparison is flat-out wrong.
Guess what? He didn’t start here and he hasn’t faced solid to outstanding ML hitters every 5 days, either.
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Guess what The Sox won a world series with the “awful” Dice K (With him winning a world series game) and his contract hasn’t hurt them one bit
If the yankees get him, fine. If they didn’t, I won’t be shedding any tears or stomping my feet and throwing fits.
DONNYBROOK December 16th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Cashman coveting his own young arms, and then claiming other teams want to much for young Chuckers, is like Jed Clampett complaining about the price of a gallon of gas.
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As Chad said above, young pitchers are the biggest commodity in the game.
Cashman wants to keep his best young arms (Betances and Banuelos) and other GMs want the moon for theirs.
Seems to make sense doesn’t it?
Name me one Japanese pitcher who had the same stats for 5 straight years that Darvish had and were 25 when they came over
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I can’t do that.
Point is, going from that to a new baseball and pitching every 5th day intead of 7th is worrysome…..
Triple Short of a Cycle December 16th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
There isn’t a rookie in the world that worth $100 mil – $120 mil. That’s all he’s going to be…a rookie. Nobody would pay a 25 year old AAA pitcher that.
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Plenty of rookies worth that. Strasburg for one. Plus Darvish wouldn’t be a 25 year old rookie in triple A if he started his career here
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How much does Strasburg make?
Wonder what Sandy Koufax would fetch as a free agent back in his prime…..The greatest pitcher I ever saw !!!! No debates needed on this ……
Strasburg isnt making 100M.
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I didn’t say he was. I said he is worth that if teams could bid on him right now
Didn’t Japan switch to the same size ball last year?
“Wonder what Sandy Koufax would fetch as a free agent back in his prime…..The greatest pitcher I ever saw !!!! No debates needed on this ……”
if he hit the market today…..a whole lot
Pat M. December 16th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Wonder what Sandy Koufax would fetch as a free agent back in his prime…..The greatest pitcher I ever saw !!!! No debates needed on this ……
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About the same as Mantle. “Back up the Brinks, partner”.
Pat M.
Ditto on Koufax.
The BoSox mifgt disagree with your comment Triple……103 million plus perks for 2 years of what they hoped for …….His signing has been considered a bust
How much does Strasburg make?
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Doesn’t matter what he makes now. he is not in the same situation as Darvish. If Strasburg was able to be bid upon he would easily be posted at 60 million plus
The BoSox mifgt disagree with your comment Triple……103 million plus perks for 2 years of what they hoped for …….His signing has been considered a bust
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What move have they wanted to make but couldn’t do to payroll?
Each team has their baseballs made bu the company of their choice. Higher seams, a little lighter, higher and steeper mound. That would lend to the fact that the majority of their pitchers have trouble over here. The majority of their star hitters have their own issues.
Triple Short of a Cycle December 16th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Strasburg isnt making 100M.
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I didn’t say he was. I said he is worth that if teams could bid on him right now
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I wonder about that. He certainly generated a lot of revenue for the Nats in a very short period of time. In this sense he might be worth something close to $100 million. However, with his injury history, I can’t imagine that a lot of folks would be willing to risk that much on him right now, even if they could.
Best Pitcher I ever saw was Joe DiMaggio. He could sell those coffee makers like nobody’s business.
“What move have they wanted to make but couldn’t do to payroll?”
Couldnt you say this about any team?
They’re all incredibly wealthy.
“What move have they wanted to make but couldn’t do to payroll?”
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Not really. The Yanks had to choose between Manny and Mussina. They couldn’t sign Beltran due to the Johnson trade.
Donnybrook….Very good !!! I also remember Joe D. being a spokesman for Bowery Savings & Loan when I was a kid growing up in NY…..
Well, right now, Boston is having trouble finding the money to replace Matsuzaka while still paying him. sounds like a problem to me.
Still can’t see how they believe they have the farm talent to get Danks, Gonzalez, outfield help or others.
First, Yu’s performance in Japan has been significantly better than Dice-K. Second, Dice-K broke down. He is 6’0″(looks shorter), 185lbs. Yu is 6’5″/220lbs and in much better physical condition. There really is no comparison between Yu and Dice-K other than to say Yu is in another class.
Well, right now, Boston is having trouble finding the money to replace Matsuzaka while still paying him. sounds like a problem to me.
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You have a link of them stating this?
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Thanks. That Savings and Loan was not in my area.
What move have they wanted to make but couldn’t do to payroll?
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Ask them in 2014 when they will be up against the $189 luxury tax.
Remember when Joe D. was mad at Simon and Garfunkel lol… what a good time that guy was!
(note: ‘Garfunkel’ must be in the online dictionary that tells me when I spell s&*t wrong. Sweet.)
Each team has their baseballs made bu the company of their choice. Higher seams, a little lighter, higher and steeper mound. That would lend to the fact that the majority of their pitchers have trouble over here. The majority of their star hitters have their own issues.
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Nope.
“Unlike Major League Baseball, for whom Rawlings has been the official supplier of baseballs since 1977, Japan’s top league has long used multiple manufacturers.
This season, however, for the first time in the 75-year history of Nippon Professional Baseball, every team is using the same supplier.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10.....wanted=all
Triple Short of a Cycle December 16th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Well, right now, Boston is having trouble finding the money to replace Matsuzaka while still paying him. sounds like a problem to me.
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You have a link of them stating this?
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What would that prove? It’s fairly common knowledge that the Sox are bound by a lot of bad contracts right now (Matsuzaka, Lackey, Crawford, etc.) I don’t think that the GM was fired because he did a great job….
Oi. FA market is thin. Trade market is ridiculous.
Give the kids a chance. Keep Swisher this season. Sign one or both Cuban OF.
Pat M, I believe the Bonds mansion is somewhere in the LA area, much closer to you than to San Francisco. Those Japanese noodles would get cold before I even made it to I-5!
Sad news for lovers of music and the blues. Etta James has terminal leukemia and not much longer to live. fantasic voice from the 50s and 60s
Crawford can definitely bounce back. The overpaid him, but I wouldn’t call that bad contract yet. Lackey was a stupid move.
Bonds lives in Beverly Hills.
“At Last” right, GB7?
Wow, my typing sucks more than usual today.
Ask them in 2014 when they will be up against the $189 luxury tax.
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Dice K will be off the team by then.
Too bad about Etta James. I was just listening to her today at work
josh Norris’ interview with Trenton skipper Tony Franklin
http://minormatterstrenton.blo.....nklin.html
GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Sad news for lovers of music and the blues. Etta James has terminal leukemia and not much longer to live. fantasic voice from the 50s and 60s
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Wow, what a shame.. and at a time when she’s most closely associated with a guy that calls himself Flo Rida.
LGY – I don’t think them changing that last year is going to make a profound impact on what was an unreliable situation for their players.
LGY December 16th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Each team has their baseballs made bu the company of their choice. Higher seams, a little lighter, higher and steeper mound. That would lend to the fact that the majority of their pitchers have trouble over here. The majority of their star hitters have their own issues.
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Nope.
“Unlike Major League Baseball, for whom Rawlings has been the official supplier of baseballs since 1977, Japan’s top league has long used multiple manufacturers.
This season, however, for the first time in the 75-year history of Nippon Professional Baseball, every team is using the same supplier.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10…..wanted=all
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What exactly are you disagreeing with here? Your post seems to confirm the fact that historically, Japanese baseballs were made by different manufacturers.
For my part, I don’t put much stock into the different balls theory. I think that it has lot more to do with the size of the Japanese population, the relatively modest farm system, and the lack of resources (relative to MLB), etc….
LGY – I don’t think them changing that last year is going to make a profound impact on what was an unreliable situation for their players.
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Aren’t we talking about Darvish?
I just don’t understand how the Yankees view a Darvish bid if they did bid 40 as just 10 million dollars better then Igawa. Makes no sense
m,
“At Last” was a big one, along with “Since I Fell In Love With Yu”, “I Cried A Tear” and hundreds more. Not a clinker in the bunch. Her and Esther Phillips.
Offense and especially home runs were down in Japan last year.
The pitchers loved the new ball.
LGY – Didn’t Darvish use different balls all that other stuff up until… last year?
Oh, I see. They’ve already used the new homogeneous ball for a full season. That doesn’t mean much –four of Darvish’s last five years were played with a different ball(s)…
ID
Darvish had the best season of his career with the new ball.
ghostwriter – Theo wasn’t fired, for the record. He left on his own accord.
Lots of balls talk on the boards lately..
(sorry guys, its been a long day and the last hour always draggggs)
Unless of course, Darvish had been using the “new ball” all along, which might suggest that his stats were artificially deflated. But this is a it of a reach…
Irreverent Discourse December 16th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
ghostwriter – Theo wasn’t fired, for the record. He left on his own accord.
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My bad.
Brad Beane is really losing his gourd out there in the Bay.
He asked the Reds for Yonder Alonso and Devin Morosco or Yasmani Grandal + for Gio Gonzalez.
Somebody please let him know that he’s trading Gio Gonzalez and not Felix Hernandez.
I would however send Yonder and Yasmani and Stubbs to the Rays for Shields and BJ. I’d want Shields and not Wade Davis. Maybe Niemann
GB-I saw that about Etta James-that’s awful. I had no idea she was sick.
LGY – OH BOY! I’m not sure what point you think you were making there.
Going forward pitchers who have time to settle in with using the same ball year over year will have an advantage. Using the ball for one year isn’t going to help anyone.
They weren’t even talking about that, just that it’s a different ball than MLB uses.
Offense was down in general, right? Of course he loved the new ball.
Huh?
People are concerned Darvish is going to struggle because of the different ball here.
He took a new ball which is very similar to the American ball last season and was sick nasty.
It’s a stupid concern.
m December 16th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Offense was down in general, right? Of course he loved the new ball.
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I’m not sure that I understand how that will help him in the Majors…
A lot of scouts I’ve listened to on radio and read say that Darvish’s breaking ball was a lot better this year and he wasn’t leaving them up nearly as much as he used to….perhaps the ball was a factor.
How did Darvish’s stats compare with the rest of the league when they were all using the different balls?
I think he dominated the league then and dominated it even more with the homegeneous balls, which could be ascribed to his maturation as a pitcher just as easily as giving credit or blame to the baseballs.
The Crazy Japanese Balls Theory is a pretty weak one to use to back Yu Darvish.
LGY December 16th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Huh?
People are concerned Darvish is going to struggle because of the different ball here.
He took a new ball which is very similar to the American ball last season and was sick nasty.
It’s a stupid concern.
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How do we know that the new ball is similar to the MLB balll?
LGY – People are concerned Darvish is going to struggle here for lots of reasons. Good reasons. The ball being different is just a small part of that.
Nick in SF December 16th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
How did Darvish’s stats compare with the rest of the league when they were all using the different balls?
I think he dominated the league then and dominated it even more with the homegeneous balls, which could be ascribed to his maturation as a pitcher just as easily as giving credit or blame to the baseballs.
The Crazy Japanese Balls Theory is a pretty weak one to use to back Yu Darvish.
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Yep.
Shame Spencer December 16th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Lots of balls talk on the boards lately..
(sorry guys, its been a long day and the last hour always draggggs)
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LOL
I’m glad I’m not the only one for which time seems to have stopped.
Irreverent Discourse December 16th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
LGY – People are concerned Darvish is going to struggle here for lots of reasons. Good reasons. The ball being different is just a small part of that.
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Yep.
“The Crazy Japanese Balls Theory is a pretty weak one to use to bash Yu Darvish.”
Weak to use it to back him as well. But no one is doing that.
If we didn’t make the strongest bid, then we don’t really want this guy all that much. We’re the Yankees: no one’s going to outbid us if we’re intent on a player.
They don’t make them like Etta James any more.
They don’t make them like Koufax, either, that’s why I’m not going to give up the family jewels for one of these guys who aren’t even Drysdales, let alone Koufaxes. That pitcher just is not out there. Let the children inherit the kingdom.
Nick in SF December 16th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
“The Crazy Japanese Balls Theory is a pretty weak one to use to bash Yu Darvish.”
Weak to use it to back him as well. But no one is doing that.
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It is weak to use it to bash him as well. I think LGY is using it to back him.
It is weak to use it to bash him as well. I think LGY is using it to back him
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I’m not using it to back him. I’m saying no one should be concerned about him struggling as a result of the ball.
LGY, did you use the Crazy Japanese Balls Theory to back Yu Darvish?
Mets want to go after Gonzalez, but, Niese, Davis, Wheeler, Harvey, Mejia or Familia. Damned prospect huggers.
Maybe they can be talked into Murphy and Duda, but, no more.
I think you guys had like 3 different conversations about the ball above, and no one was talking about the same thing.
The ball is different in Japan than it is here.
They used to use whatever ball the club chose.
Now they use a standard ball for all NPB clubs, it is still different than the MLB ball but “closer”.
Future Japanese pitchers (read: not Yu) will likely have greater success since they are going to be using the same ball in all games and it is similar to the MLB ball.
Maybe that cleans up some confusion.
wonder if AJ could pitch with the Japanese ball?
LGY December 16th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
It is weak to use it to bash him as well. I think LGY is using it to back him
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I’m not using it to back him. I’m saying no one should be concerned about him struggling as a result of the ball.
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I stand corrected.
AJ might be frustrated by the varrying sizes of Japanese pie pans.
AJ might be frustrated by the varrying sizes of Japanese pie pans.
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LOL.
Aretha Franklin is ill with cancer, too. Talk about a non pareil music giant…
I’m not living hour to hour with the Darvish stuff, but once it passes, I hope to hear we’re zeroed in on Kuroda and signing at least one of the Cuban dudes. If Kuroda gets inked, I think those of us who actually value our top five kiddies can probably relax a bit. I love Cashman’s rhetoric, because I believe in it. I just hope he does, too.
I also look forward to soon hearing that DePaula and the INS have made nice. That probably won’t get a great deal of attention, once it happens, but it could be a dramatic development for the Yankees, if the scouting reports on him are for real.
What AJ lacks in precision with baseballs, he more than makes up for with pies.
Erin, she was great to listen to live. used to go see her perform along the Rush Street clubs in Chicago in the 60s and 70s…her and Esther Phillips. Those that haven’t heard her really should give a listen. The female version of Frank Sinatra without the mob connections.
“They don’t make them like Koufax, either, that’s why I’m not going to give up the family jewels”
I’m telling you… it must be something in the air lately lol.
People thought the Yankees made a mistake of let the Sux get Matsuzaka. Just sayin’. You really never know.
Haven’t been able to keep up with all the posts or lead ins but I decided to check to see what was happening with Darvish and saw Jerkface’s post. The above was responding to that.
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About Gio – he’s definitely the girl with the curl. When he’s on his stuff is magnificent. When he falls apart, it is fast and furious. And then it’s hard to know how he would do in NY. I love the kid, have had him on several fantasy teams, and would go after him again for my fantasy team. But I wouldn’t trust him in the Ys rotation. (I love taking risks in fantasy baseball. Not so much with the Yanks.)
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Surprised Fielder and Rollins are still on the market.
Later y’all.
YES trivia question: Without looking, what uniform number has been worn by the most players for the Yanks?
They’re all good, but i’ll pass on all of ‘em.
I’ll go to war with what we’ve got, plus maybe a 1 yr signing or a ST invitee or two…
When’s P’s & C’s?
GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Erin, she was great to listen to live. used to go see her perform along the Rush Street clubs in Chicago in the 60s and 70s?
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How cool!
“People thought the Yankees made a mistake of let the Sux get Matsuzaka. Just sayin’. You really never know.”
English translation: People thought the Yankees made a mistake of letting the Sux get Matsuzaka. Just sayin’. You really never know.
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Can you tell I’m triple multi-tasking? ‘Tis the season, grrr!
YES trivia question: Without looking, what uniform number has been worn by the most players for the Yanks?
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i’d go with 6, then 9, but i’m probably wrong
“They’re all good, but i’ll pass on all of ‘em.
I’ll go to war with what we’ve got, plus maybe a 1 yr signing or a ST invitee or two…”
Ding ding ding!
I’m with ya!
I don’t know that answer, but I know that 4 was only worn by one Yankee ever.
The only of the retired numbers that’s true about.
GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
YES trivia question: Without looking, what uniform number has been worn by the most players for the Yanks?
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11?
The Ynks retire too many numbers.
I’m reading $50M bid for Darvish by Toronto. I don’t know how people can be upset with the Yankees if they fail to top that.
Morosi is a perfect example of why some sports writers shouldn’t play GM. Read his reason why the Yanks should go after Danks. He does fail to mention that there’s an idiot attached to the other phone that believes a one year rentle is worth the two best on the farm, plus more.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ros-121611
Neither the balls nor the mound should be a concern, the differences now are minor if even noticeable.
I don’t know how people can be upset with the Yankees if they fail to top that.
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I can be upset about it
Especially when Darvish shuts out the Yankees 
Ghostwriter – The price of success I guess… What number is retired that didn’t deserve it?
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GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Erin, she was great to listen to live. used to go see her perform along the Rush Street clubs in Chicago in the 60s and 70s?
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Seriously, GB? That’s incredible.
My first concert was when I was 7 years old and I saw Frank Sinatra at Radio City. Greatest 1st concert a girl could ask for.
Quickly catching up and have to comment on one post from a post or two ago about how Cashman did nothing at the trade deadline and “had to depend on Nova.”
Hello?????
The reason Cashman didn’t make a move at the trade deadline was BECAUSE he had NOVA. He and his scouts assessed the marketplace, did their due diligence on Jimenez and figured that what they already had in house was just as good.
and guess what? What he had got them to 97 wins, winning their division. And don’t start with the out in the first round stuff, either. That was due to untimely hitting, NOT getting another pitcher at the trade deadline. Actually – they did – his name is Ivan Nova. And he was darn good, too.
And it wasn’t luck. You think the Yankees don’t scout their own?
Ghost, answer is wrong. Only 98 numbers to chose from.
surprisingly, #26.
68 players on the Yanks have worn it.
http://www.yankeenumbers.com/mostWornNumbers.asp
Tadaaa
Irreverent Discourse December 16th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Ghostwriter – The price of success I guess… What number is retired that didn’t deserve it?
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Off the top of my head, I would probably say Jackson and Mattingly. I really liked both of them, but Jax was only here for a short time, and Mattingly’s years lacked any significant accomplishemnents.
I ould retire numbers for Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Torre, Mantle, Berra, Dickey, Ford, Howard, and when the time comes Jeter, Posada, and Rivera.
I might be missing somebody important from my list…
Ghostwriter-
The problem is there have been a lot of great Yankees. But they have got themselves in a bind, haven’t they?
I mean, Jeter is a certainty, and Mo (but Mo’s number is already retired by MLB anyway). Then what to do about Torre, Bernie, Posada? Then, if Cano is what we all think he will be, there’s another one. They will have to start a new trend – roman numerals, or something.
Sponichi has mentioned that Darvish wants around US$20M a year — he puts himself at the same level of C.C. Sabathia, Roy Halladay, and Johan Santana.
LMAO!
Good luck with that.
GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Ghost, answer is wrong. Only 98 numbers to chose from.
surprisingly, #26.
68 players on the Yanks have worn it.
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Darn! My second guess was 27… I was in the right neighborhood…
Villa Nova-Ya December 16th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Ghostwriter-
The problem is there have been a lot of great Yankees. But they have got themselves in a bind, haven’t they?
I mean, Jeter is a certainty, and Mo (but Mo’s number is already retired by MLB anyway). Then what to do about Torre, Bernie, Posada? Then, if Cano is what we all think he will be, there’s another one. They will have to start a new trend – roman numerals, or something.
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Heh. roman numerals! Like it!
blake December 16th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
wonder if AJ could pitch with the Japanese ball?
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He might pitch well if he was hired as a pitchman for a Bronx tattoo parlor.
Oh yeah–Rizziuto’s number 10 also should stay retired.
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I dunno that all of Torre, Bernie, and Jorge’s numbers get retired..
You also could make a case for Pettite.
Only Jackson’s and Martin’s shouldn’t be retired. The rest were Yankee legends of one sort or another. Those two don’t fit. No reason that Mattingly shouldn’t be retired. He set a lot of team and ML records in his time. Hard to say you’d retire Torre’s number but not Stengel’s. Same with Rizzuto. Whether you agree or not, he’s a HOFer with over 60 years with the team. Stottlemyre’s number should be retired. A lot of people ignore just how great he really was with some of the worst teams in club history.
Darn! My second guess was 27… I was in the right neighborhood…
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I was thinking in the high 30s or 40s.
GB7,
Only saw Etta James live once, but sure did ok with the ladies with her on in the background. A loss to crossword puzzles, too.