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Yankees Rule 5 pick thriving in winter ball

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 17, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Rule 5 pick Cesar Cabral has been dealing down in the Dominican Republic this winter. The left-hander has a 0.77 ERA through 19 relief appearances. He’s struck out 13, walked three and opponents are hitting just .171 against him.

In his past seven outings, he’s pitched 4.1 innings allowing no runs on two hits and one walk while striking out five.

Lefties at hitting .211/.286/.211 with no extra-base hits, but right-handers have been even worse, batting just .136/.174/.136.

A few other updates from winter ball…

Hector Noesi took his second straight loss on Friday. It was his first outing in eight days, and he allowed two runs on four hits and three walks through six innings. The three walks was a single-game high for Noesi this winter. He’d walked a total of three batters in his pervious five starts.

• Sticking with pitching, Pat Venditte is still dealing down in Mexico. The switch-pitcher had back-to-back scoreless outings on Wednesday and Thursday and opponents are hitting .208 against him. He’s given up five home runs — three to lefties, two to righties — but only one in his past nine outings, and two in his past 17.

• Also in Mexico, Ramiro Pena is still have a solid offensive winter hitting .268/.336/.433 while serving as Culiacan’s regular shortstop. He’s actual been hitting third recently, and he hasn’t made an error since the middle of November.

• Sticking with the middle of the infield, Jose Pirela — the Double-A shortstop playing second base in Venezuela — is still having a great winter. He has six hits in his past four games and is batting .306/.348/.415. He’s a right-handed hitter, but he’s hitting much better against righties (.325) than against lefties (.185) this winter.

• Also down in Venezuela, Colin Curtis got hot with back-to-back three-hit games earlier this month, but lately he’s been taking a bunch of walks. Hence a slash line of .280/.391/.409 with almost as many walks (14) as strikeouts (16).

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278 Responses to “Yankees Rule 5 pick thriving in winter ball”

  1. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Chad, exactly what do you think about Venditte? I’ve seen him more than a few times and he’s fun to watch and almost always seems to get the job done, but, then, he has a few years on the competition. I still always thought that he was more of a gimmick than a real prospect.

  2. Villa Nova-Ya December 17th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Oh, Pat M, I was one of the many who were lashing out at Jones. Always happy to be wrong in those cases.

    Nice to see the guys playing winter ball doing well. Guess maybe Colin has hit his ceiling.

    Venditte is an interesting case. I got to see him at least twice, and I think three times, at Trenton last season. First, it was fun to watch him switch his glove from hand to hand. But second, he was actually good, and not just a sideshow.

  3. Pat M. December 17th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya…….I don’t think it was a case of being wrong as much as him being an outsider coming off some rough seasons…..I still think he has some game left…..I’m hoping the Bombers re-up with him

  4. blake December 17th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    I didn’t know about the knee issue but Jones was cheating so bad on fastballs early in the year that he looked totally finished…..Pat M was about his only supporter.

    Id like to have him back but I would ideally rather have a LH option on the bench….
    I don’t think they need platoon partners and they hit LHP better than RH pitching as a team.

  5. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    I thought for sure that some team would take a crack at him in the Rule 5 draft, unless it was unnecessary to protect him. He was drafted in 2008. age 26 in AA does help some, I guess. Nice change-up and curve from both sides, though. Will he become Jamie Moyer, Jr.?

  6. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Venditte can always become an NFL kicker if his baseball career fails. Kicks both left and right footed, both place kicking and punting.

  7. Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    those guys arent making this roster so it don’t mean a thing.

  8. jacksquat December 17th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
    those guys arent making this roster so it don’t mean a thing.

    Could possibly see a lot of Noesi.

  9. Pat M. December 17th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    blake….I think that Andruw’s appaeal is that he’s a slugging right hand hitting outfielder to spell Gardner……Yanks have always like to have that option in left field, it’s part of their blueprint for success….A Gene Michael stamp in a way going back to the Tim Raines / Daryl Strawberry days….

  10. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    If these two jerks say they think alike, doesn’t exactly exude confidence in listening to either one.

    “keithlaw keithlaw
    I might flip AL Central and NL West, but otherwise Buster’s rankings mirror my own thinking

    keithlaw keithlaw
    Solid RT @Buster_ESPN: Purely-Subjective-Division-Rankings IMO: 1. AL East; 2. AL West; 3. NL East; 4. NL West; 5. AL Central; 6. NL Central”

  11. blake December 17th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Pat M

    Yea I know that’s why they like him …..and I would like him back on a similar deal and last year…..

  12. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Pat M. December 17th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    blake….I think that Andruw’s appaeal is that he’s a slugging right hand hitting outfielder to spell Gardner……Yanks have always like to have that option in left field, it’s part of their blueprint for success….A Gene Michael stamp in a way going back to the Tim Raines / Daryl Strawberry days….

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    Add the right handed bats of Shane Spencer/Chad Curtis to that group along with Ricky Ledee’s lefty bat.

  13. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Still can’t believe that Tim Raines is not in the HOF. He’s fast becoming the Ron Santo and Jimmy Kaat of this era.

  14. blake December 17th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Axisa at RAB gives his Yankee comp for the Latos trade…..Montero, Hughes, Romine, and Warren would have been in the ballpark of what the Reds gave up. Probably close……though I think Montero would have been a better headliner than Alonso.

    http://www.riveraveblues.com.

  15. Chad Jennings December 17th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Not sure what to make of Venditte. Nothing about him is overwhelming, but we’ve also never seen a pitcher who always — or, almost always — has the left-on-left or right-on-right advantage. His stuff isn’t great, but it obviously plays up because of that advantage.

    The results have always been there, but that never meant much for guys like Eric Wordekemper or Josh Schmidt. Could be that Venditte is simply a more popular name headed for the same organizational status.

    Could be, though, that the steady results are showing something few people expected.

  16. blake December 17th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Raines absolutely should be in…..hoping he makes strides this year.

  17. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Two other wrongs that need to be righted is gettin Marvin Miller into the HOF as a pioneer/executive. He did more to change baseball for the better than any owner or commissioner, especially Bowie Kuhn.

    The other is reinstating or admitting players like Spencer into the player’s union and allowing them to draw the benefits. The union screwed the old time players long ago. The ones that made the union and high paychecks possible. time to get rid of the pettiness from both sides.

  18. PhiltheThrill December 17th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    It’s a joke that Raines is not in, but Dawson is.

  19. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Chad,

    Thanks for your views on Venditte. Was just wondering what others from your perch thought about him. Much appreciated.

  20. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    I have absolutely no issues with andre Dawson being in the HOF. There was nothing he couldn’t do on a ball field, and usually better than most.

  21. PhiltheThrill December 17th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Except get on base at a Hall of Fame level.

  22. jacksquat December 17th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    I think part of the problem for Raines is that he sort of played in the shadow of Rickey Henderson.

  23. blake December 17th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
    Rival exec on #Padres’ next move: “Trade Rizzo. No doubt.” #MLB
    3 hours ago

    except he’s no longer a Red Sox prospect…..

  24. Pat M. December 17th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    blake….I think Mike over at RAB might have over valued the trade in terms of Yankee talent in exchange for Latos……As for Roc Raines. I never could figure out how the 2nd best leadoff hitter / player possibly in the games history not being in Cooperstown by now…….Then again were talking about fish wrap writers….No offense Chad, but many of your colleagues are numb nuts when it comes to the game….

  25. blake December 17th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    being not as good as Rickey shouldn’t keep you out of the HOF. Jim Rice isn’t as good as Hank Aaron either…

  26. Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    jacksquat December 17th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
    those guys arent making this roster so it don’t mean a thing.

    Could possibly see a lot of Noesi.

    =====================

    i meant the rule V guys

  27. PhiltheThrill December 17th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Raines might also be hurt by his cocaine related suspension in the `80s, but it’s gotten ridiculous.

  28. PhiltheThrill December 17th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Jim Rice is another one who shouldn’t be in the HoF.

  29. blake December 17th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Pat M,

    yea probably….I don’t know enough about other guys involved to say….but I’d certainly rather have Montero and Hughes than Alonso and Volquez. Montero would probably have had to be in the deal though so…..it would have been a no for me either way.

  30. Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    imo rickey’s in the vip room of the hof

  31. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Maybe Eddie Yost, Eddie Stanky, Joe Cunningham, Lu Blue, Riggs Stephenson and Roy Cullenbine should be in the HOF for their ability to draw a walk.

  32. blake December 17th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Dawson had 1 season with an OPS over .900 and a career OPS of .803. Jeter has a better career OPS as a SS than Dawson did as a corner OFer.

    Dawson was a good player….don’t think he was HOF level

  33. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Romine, Vazquez, Warren and DJ Michell would have been the equivilent of the Cinncy players.

  34. jacksquat December 17th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    blake December 17th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
    being not as good as Rickey shouldn’t keep you out of the HOF. Jim Rice isn’t as good as Hank Aaron either…

    I did not say Raines should not be in the HoF. I said part of his problem (not being elected) may be because he played in the shadow of Rickey Henderson. It may be a perception problem.

  35. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    I don’t care if Dawson had no .900 OPS seasons. There was no better all around center fielder/right fielder (Henderson is the exception, and winfield and Dawson are close) in the game at that time. Offense or defense, and that includes Freddy Lynn.

  36. PhiltheThrill December 17th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    I’d have to look at the rest of their numbers, but Dawson shouldn’t be in because he didn’t get on base enough. Getting on base is the name of the game. Having 5 tools is nice, but unless you also mix the walks in like Mickey and others have, you might be an all star at some point but you’re not a Hall of Famer. The season he won the NL MVP he was about the 20th best player in the NL. Nice guy, fine player, but perennially overrated and over rewarded.

  37. Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    the more i look at it, the more i think we just keep our top 3 guys and go to war with what we’ve got. i think we all feel pretty good about jesus even if he only turns out to be a p/t catcher and maybe plays some OF, and we’re not being offered enough for banuelos or to this point betances, so i’m ready to go to ST with these guys plus maybe a kuroda and a couple ST invitees. I think they should decide which fa pitcher to bring in and settle the bench and get ready to go.

  38. Pat M. December 17th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    GB…After this upcoming 2012 season, many of these want to be talent evaluators who sit at a keyboard are going to look foolish after throwing Phil Hughes name around with such abandon this past year……Many might not understand this, but he’s still a highly regarded young pitcher even after his first half struggles in 2010….The guy is still only 25 and when healthy he’s a force on the hill as we’ll see in 2012….Keep your day jobs guys …..

  39. Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    raines looks great statistically, but he was never the top guy, the guy you were worried was gonna beat you. dawson had that going for several years. idk if dawson deserves to get in but i’d put him in before raines. jmo

  40. Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    why would anyone want to move hughes now? his value is down, theres little chance he’s going to have as bad a year as he did last year. you’d really be selling low on him now.

  41. jacksquat December 17th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
    Romine, Vazquez, Warren and DJ Michell would have been the equivilent of the Cinncy players.

    I think it was more than that, but less than what that guy from RAB said.

    Montero > Alonso > Vazquez
    Hughes > Volquez ? Mitchell (not a good comp)
    Romine Romine
    Warren ? Boxberger ? Warren (don’t care)

  42. jacksquat December 17th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    oops, html parsing messed up the Grandal part.

    I think Grandal is probably a higher prospect than Romine. Probably like a more advanced Sanchez.

  43. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Pat, Hughes, at his age, should have the next two year (and with health) to get is worked out. I look back at all of the pitchers that took until that age to both get over injuries and the learning age to work it out. I’m willing to wait and apparently, so is Cashman and the yankees.

    The other silliness being tossed around here is the conspiracy theory that Cashman and Girardi are trying to bury a 21-22 year old catcher…Cashman because he was his big name prospect and Girardi, because he’s jealous of any catcher who can hit. Martin is the perfect tutor for kids like Montero and romine (if Martin has the confidence in himself to help teach them). I don’t know if there were issues between girardi and Posada, other than some of the imaginary BS that gets spread around here, but, Posada never seemed to have issues with it, other than wanting to play more. Leyritz was the one that was shoved aside.

    Then, there’s the conspiracy of Cashman not wanting to “be all in” on Darvish. $100 mil+ is a ton of cabbage to be dumping on an experiment. Sounds like a group decision that NY isn’t willing to gamble on. Lots of kids coming fast that could the equal. I don’t know what Darvish’ll be, but, nobody that’s not desperate is willing to dump that much for him. Toronto is desperate. Their window is close to shutting. They gambled a lot on Drabek and now, they may be trying to relocate him. Texas may be in the same boat, except their pockets can’t take the hits much longer, especially with the arbitration and FA players they have coming up.

  44. LGY December 17th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    There is no comparison between Yonder Alonso and Jorge Vazquez. None.

    Vazquez has as much trade value as a bag of balls.

  45. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    right now 95 win team and into the playoffs only to get beat in the 1st rd

  46. blake December 17th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Jacksquat,

    True.

    Pat m

    Hughes is a big x factor this year…..he’s going to be overlooked and he should be very motivated. Its not unreasonable to think he coukd give the Yanks #2 production out of the 4th or 5th spot

  47. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    they trade Gardner yet

  48. blake December 17th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Any Yankee comp with that trade would have to include Montero…..I think Montero is a better prospect than Alonzo because of his age and because he’s a catcher……but the yanks don’t have another big league ready bat that’s comparable to Yonder.

  49. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Look at some of the pitchers that NYY and the fans have given up on way too soon. Some of the more ovious ones are Al Lieter and Doug Drabek. Others like Ralph Terry (until they got him back), Larry Gura were further back. Ian Kennedy could be there, too, but, NYYs received quality back. I’d hate to see fans get their way and dump either Hughes or Chamberlain, depending on which one pitched worse that day. Sorry, but, there are few on here whose talent judgement I’d be comfortable with. some are just plain idiots and a bunch of them will only accept some obscure numbers dreamed up ny their guru and head con man, Bill James.

  50. LGY December 17th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    The Yankees should construct their pitching staff so that if Hughes bounces and pitches like a 2 or 3 it’s a great bonus. But it’s not something they should depend on.

    Trading AJ and getting a better pitcher like Kuroda allows them to do that.

  51. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Bringing a right handed NL pitcher that pitches in a park the size of Kennedy International doesn’t exactly enthrall or fill me with confidence. and certainly not for Montero.

  52. blake December 17th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    “The Yankees should construct their pitching staff so that if Hughes bounces and pitches like a 2 or 3 it’s a great bonus. But it’s not something they should depend on.”

    Agree….they should plan on him being a 4 or a 5…….that way if he pitches like a 2 they’ll be stacked and if he pitches like a 5 they’ll be ready for it.

  53. blake December 17th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    I wouldn’t have traded Montero for Latos…..Cashman probably had the opportunity to if he wanted.

  54. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    There’s no intention of Hughes backing up Sabathia, but, then, Kuroda’s not exactly a #2 type, either.

  55. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    I still think Cashman has some moves up his sleeve. While CC, AJ, Hughes, Garcia and Nova sounds decent enough, with Noesi to challenge for that 5th slot, Cashman’s MO in recent years has been to have up to 7 starters lined up for the beginning of the season.

    Someone invariably gets injured in ST or shotly thereafter. Could that 7th arm be Colon? Maybe. Could it be Kuroda on a one-year deal? Maybe. But I can’t see a FA signing and a trade. Its got to be either or.

  56. Pat M. December 17th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    GB……I just have had the feeling that when The Yanks had their off-season organizational meetings that when Yu Darvish’s name came up and the around the table opinions were being taken, there wasn’t enough yes votes to persuade Hal to write a check for 50 or so million and then tack on another 15 million a season for the next 5 years or so…….Especially when he looks at what they have at every level in the system, including the Bronx……..I’ve never not thought the guy will be a success in the Bigs, it’s just whether or not he’ll be a 100-120 million dollar success….

  57. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    blake December 17th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    I wouldn’t have traded Montero for Latos…
    —————————–
    even up Montero for Latos…all day long

  58. Gary December 17th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Hi Blake, back from Tampa. Tailgaters were queing up at Raymond James for the game tonight across the street. We went to the legends room to get some Xmas Yanks stuff and not anouther soul showed up the whole time we were there.

    I saw something about some announcement or leak that the Yu bid is more than Dice K. If so I don’t expect the Yanks are in that mix?

  59. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Colon would be fine with me, Simon. Let him work it out as a starter in ST and see what’s needed. He fits well into the Noesi slot (going off of last season). He may want a starting slot, but, offer up a $1.5 mil deal with easily obtainable incentives based on starts, games finished and holds/saves to get it to around $2.5-$3 mil.

  60. Gary December 17th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    DaSaint007 December 17th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
    I still think Cashman has some moves up his sleeve. While CC, AJ, Hughes, Garcia and Nova sounds decent enough, with Noesi to challenge for that 5th slot, Cashman’s MO in recent years has been to have up to 7 starters lined up for the beginning of the season.

    Someone invariably gets injured in ST or shotly thereafter. Could that 7th arm be Colon? Maybe. Could it be Kuroda on a one-year deal? Maybe. But I can’t see a FA signing and a trade. Its got to be either or.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    In this second year of reduced expectations I’m not sure anything happens. I don’t think the pitcher injury is an if, but a when.

  61. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    If you look at recent trades, the majority of the pieces that were sent were superfluos of had underperformed. Neither Montero nor Nova is going anywhere. Personally, I think that the lower depths of catching are more vulnerable in trades, such as Sanchez and others, and the arms most likely to go are Warren, Mitchell, and Phelps. Those guys can only spend but so much time at AAA.

  62. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Kuroda isn’t going to sign a 1 year deal

  63. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Pat,

    It would normally take a starting pitcher 5 years to get to a $15 mil a year contact, if Darvish is that good. He’ll want to start at that range. Regardles of what others say, he’s still a AAA rookie this year.

  64. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Temple was a gift today

  65. Gary December 17th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    joeman December 17th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
    Kuroda isn’t going to sign a 1 year deal

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    And he’s not getting the $12M he got last year for basically what has been a .500 pitcher.

  66. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Gary – agreed on the when not if issue on injuries. That said, Yankees have enough affordable depth to complement the offense, and have an excellent bullpen to compensate and close things out.

  67. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Sanchez, no matter where or what organization he’s in, is still at least 4 years away….both defensively and other than power, his bat. He wasn’t as good defensively as Montero was at the same age.

  68. blake December 17th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Kuroda is said to prefer 1 year deals so he can return to Japan when he wants.

    I think whatever thoughts Cash had about trading Montero mostly were squashed in September when he saw live how that swing would play at YS.

    Gary,

    That sounds like a good deal…living sown there has perks huh. About Darvish…..I don’t know …..I wouldn’t rule out the Yanks playing possum just yet…..you never know and I don’t trust the reports on this.

  69. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    That said, Sanchez is going nowhere but up the ladder for quite awhile.

  70. blake December 17th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Kuroda has mostly been a .500 pitcher because of the dodgers

  71. Tar December 17th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Blake

    Are you able to watch the game?

  72. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    The only ones saying that Kuroda wants only a one year deal are those that are hoping that’s all he wants.

  73. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Kuroda may get an option for a second year, but he’s not getting two years guarantted.
    What amazes me is that Edwin Jackson is still out there, as is Roy Oswalt. Once the Darvish issue resolves, teams will move on them.

  74. blake December 17th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Tar,
    No im out ;(

  75. Gary December 17th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    blake December 17th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    Kuroda has mostly been a .500 pitcher because of the dodgers

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Blake just wondering would you give him the kind of money he got the last 2 years. Freedie is the same age and went 12-8 I think and we gave him like $4M with incentives to go over $5M. What would you offer this guy?

  76. blake December 17th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    I think 12 million for a one year deal for Kuroda would be great…..especially if they coukd move AJ and save a little cash there.

  77. Tar December 17th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Zeller is on fire. 8 assist for KM allready. Barnes had a rough first half.

    App State is good team, they just won’t go away. If this was against a lesser team it would be 30 instead of 15 point lead it is right now.

  78. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    I think a lot of teams are very afraid of Aswalt’s chronic back issues. He really picked a bad time for it to kick up again last year. Not sure what Jackson’s looking for, but, the Marlins make about as much sense as any other team. If he’d accept a 1 year and an option at $10 mil and incentives, I’d take a shot there over Kuroda.

  79. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    ***Oswalt’s***

  80. Against All Odds December 17th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    If this was posted already ignore

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    Contrary to published reports, the top sealed bid submitted for star Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish on Wednesday was the highest in the history of the posting process, exceeding the record $51.1 million fee that the Boston Red Sox paid the Seibu Lions for the rights to negotiate with Daisuke Matsuzaka in 2006, according to Japanese league officials.

    Though the identity of the major league franchise that won exclusive negotiating rights to the 25-year-old right-hander has yet to be revealed, Japanese league officials say that the offer to Darvish’s team, the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters, is higher than the $40-48 million range that has been reported in the U.S. and Japan.

    The Fighters have until Tuesday to accept or reject the highest bid. If they accept, the high bidder has 30 days to work out a deal with Darvish’s agents. If no agreement is reached, Darvish returns to the Fighters for another season, and no money changes hands.

    About a half-dozen major league teams entered the auction for Darvish, who has a 1.99 ERA over seven seasons in Japan. He’s reportedly seeking a five-year, $75 million contract, which would push the total package to more than $125 million. The two most aggressive bidders are believed to have been the Toronto Blue Jays and the Texas Rangers

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....u.darvish/

  81. Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    you can move aj but you’re not saving money there, you’re paying him to pitch for someone else.

  82. LGY December 17th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Not sure what Jackson’s looking for, but, the Marlins make about as much sense as any other team. If he’d accept a 1 year and an option at $10 mil and incentives, I’d take a shot there over Kuroda.

    ——————–

    What do you do with the rotation if you sign Edwin Jackson?

  83. Pat M. December 17th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I understand and respect the opinions of those here you don’t want Kuroda in Pinstripes, but if the Yanks could indeed sign him for one season he’d be worth it , the guy can pitch…..Garcia would be the odd man out and into the bullpen and as the 6th starter….Down side is that Noesi is then the 7th starter on the depth chart……

  84. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    why would a 35 year old SP want who is a FA want to sign a 1 year old contract

  85. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    ***Oswalt’s***
    ———————-
    keep that name in the back of your hat

  86. Tar December 17th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    I don’t see Cash dumping AJ…. unless they sign Yu know who.

    At the least-AJ gives them depth or a long man (which they don’t have right now). Cash has not been willing to dump contracts in the past, I don’t see him doing it now.

  87. Duh Innings December 17th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

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    Pat M. December 17th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
    I understand and respect the opinions of those here you don’t want Kuroda in Pinstripes, but if the Yanks could indeed sign him for one season he’d be worth it , the guy can pitch…..Garcia would be the odd man out and into the bullpen and as the 6th starter….Down side is that Noesi is then the 7th starter on the depth chart……

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  90. Ys Guy December 17th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    you know oswalt doen’t want to come here, if he does its just a cash grab. i think he’s professional enough that it might be worth it if he’s healthy, though.

  91. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    They unloaded Wright to Baltimore, but, that was only $3-4 Mil…not upwards of $20 mil.

  92. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Duh Innings December 17th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
    There’s an article in today’s New York Post about the possibility of Russell Martin getting a multi-year deal from the Yanks before 2012. I say give him two years at $7M per year for $14M total.

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    Did your fish-n-chips come wrapped in the Post. Neither one smells very good.

  93. blake December 17th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Tar,

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    Y’s,

    Paying him to pitch for someone else still saves money if you don’t have to pay him his full contact to pitch badly for the Yanks…..

  94. Pat M. December 17th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Against all Odds…….When the Yu Darvish topic started to gain speed here in earnest, a few people mentioned that the final tally for him could reach 120 million dollars……That notion was said to be absurd, but it’s starting to seem like a very accurate number…..And I still don’t want to hear about the no luxury tax angle…..It’s still an incredible amount of dough…..

  95. Carlo December 17th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Have to love how “the experts” carried on all week about nc st playing cuse tough. Yet again a big east team goes into the ACC and pilages.

  96. Gary December 17th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    How about an early Xmas present for the G men with the cowgirls getting knocked off by Tampa Bay tonight?

  97. DaSaint007 December 17th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    As much as I like Jackson, and some of you remember that I pined for trading for him before last season, I’m not sure he’d accept less than a 2 or 3 year deal at less than $10M/year, which clogs the rotation if Banuelos is to have a shot next season. He could be just as productive as AJ, which means just as frustrating. But he’s certainly not a #2 pitcher, and possibly not a #3 pitcher. However, I think CC would take him under his wing and he could become a #3. Problem is we have too many of that type.

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  99. Tar December 17th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Carlo,

    If Cuse had travelled 20 miles further West, they would be going home with a loss. :D

  100. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Gary December 17th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    How about an early Xmas present for the G men with the cowgirls getting knocked off by Tampa Bay tonight?
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    that will not happen…Cowboys always bounce well

  101. Against All Odds December 17th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Pat true it is a lot but given how the trade marker is high and guys like CJ and Buerhle(sp?) get a ton in free agency it might be worth the risk

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    Carlo…fights to Vegas from the East Coast are sick ($$$$$)

  103. Carlo December 17th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Tar – I knew that comment was going to catch your eye…….cuse and unc will be a good game, at unc, ur probably right. That said, I would say there are 3, and maybe as many as 5 big east teams who could beat UNC on a neutral floor.

  104. Carlo December 17th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Joeman – the airlines are adding a bunch of capacity into mccarran in 2012. If fuel prices cooperate, 2012 airfares will be a little more reasonable.

  105. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Simon,

    It’s a gamble either way for both Jackson and the signing team, but, the market won’t be as flooded with starting pitchers both next year and the following. He’s been with about 8 yeams, so, not sure what the market is for him. Not sure if Boston will have the cash to gamble or not. They say they’re close to tapping out. He gets with a good team and re-establishes some more value in 2012 and with a player option year, he’s in position to score a big hit the following year.

  106. blake December 17th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    “That said, I would say there are 3, and maybe as many as 5 big east teams who could beat UNC on a neutral floor.”

    Lol…….

  107. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Carlo December 17th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Joeman – the airlines are adding a bunch of capacity into mccarran in 2012. If fuel prices cooperate, 2012 airfares will be a little more reasonable.
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    I usually run out of Hartford on Southwest the non – stop flight (one a day) they are almost $900 for two….not so long ago I paid $400 for two round trip

  108. Carlo December 17th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Cuse, uconn, lville.

    Possibles: marquette, gtown, pitt

    We are talking about the same unc team who lost to unlv and kentucky, right? Not the 1982 unc team?

  109. GreenBeret7 December 17th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    ***8 yeams***? That’s a lot of yeams. It matches the 8 teams he’s pitched for.

  110. Tar December 17th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    “That said, I would say there are 3, and maybe as many as 5 big east teams who could beat UNC on a neutral floor.”

    They better hurry up and schedule that game. Carolina is getting better and better every game. I know I wouldn’t bet against them, especially the deeper we get into this season.

  111. joeman December 17th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    watch that UCONN team come tourney time …that freshman center is a one and done, team is loaded

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    As for Hughes- everyone is okay with growing pains, as long as they never really happen.

    As for Kuroda – unless they are able to move AJ, I don’t see a spot for him, because they signed Garcia. And I really REALLY don’t see anyone taking on AJ, and I don’t see the Yankees giving up too much in salary if they are looking to trade him. He is the guy we’re going to have to hope finds something this year. As for the last year of his contract, I don’t think the Yankees will care. But if they keep him, they have to keep him relatively content. No one wants a sourpuss messing up the vibe. So be ready for more uplifting PR on AJ from the Yankees. Better to be realistic at this point.

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