Upcoming milestones for Alex Rodriguez
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 18, 2011 
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One unexpected bonus from last week’s Winter Meetings, there was a handbook full of upcoming milestones that are potentially reachable in 2012. Here’s a list of milestones Alex Rodriguez might reach next season.
RBI
Currently ranked 10th with 1,893
Needs…
7 to reach 1,900
11 to pass Willie Mays for 9th
25 to pass Eddie Murray for 8th
29 to pass Jimmie Foxx for 7th
59 to pass Stan Musial for 6th
69 to pass Ty Cobb for 5th
103 to pass Lou Gehrig for 4th
104 to pass Barry Bonds for 3rd
107 to reach 2,000
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Home runs
Currently ranked sixth with 629
Needs…
2 to pass Ken Griffey, Jr. for 5th
32 to pass Willie Mays for 4th
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Doubles
Currently tied for 59th with 495
Needs…
5 to reach 500, tied for 52nd
10 to move into the top 50, trying Tony Perez for 49th
29 to move into the top 40, tying Ken Griffey, Jr. for 39th
40 to pass Lou Gehrig for 33rd
45 to tie Joe Medwick and Dave Winfield for 29th
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Hits
Currently 49th with 2,775
Needs…
67 to pass Omar Vizquel for 45th
99 to pass Babe Ruth for 40th
190 to pass Sam Crawford for 30th
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Runs scored
Currently 14th with 1,824
Needs…
58 to pass Tris Speaker for 10th
65 to pass Lou Gehrig for 9th
76 to reach 1,900, still ranked 9th
126 to pass Stan Musial for 8th
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At-bats
Currently 56th with 9,199
Needs…
117 to pass Rod Carew for 50th
261 to pass Paul Waner for 40th
394 to pass Ivan Rodriguez for 35th
649 to pass Barry Bonds for 30th
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Games played
Currently 79th with 2,402
Needs…
28 to pass Willie Davis for 70th
65 to pass Dave Parker for 60th
98 to reach 2,500, good for 52nd
102 to pass Babe Ruth for 50th
127 to pass Ernie Banks for 45th
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Here’s hoping Alex gets his 2.000th RBI, and passes Willie Mays in homers, and Gehrig in doubles in 2012.
No, I’m not buying that. This has been going on since Matsui, Damon, and Cabrera left. What happened in Detroit is not at all unlike what happened in the regular season. The offense averaged 6 runs per game, despite being veritable no-shows for three of the five games. This Yankee team over the last couple years has been way too dependent on hot streaks for their run production…
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What team do you think has a more consistent offense?
@Evan3Longoria: Adios to the Big Apple today.Thanks all u NY’ers for your hospitality!never knew a game winning homer against the Yanks could get ya so far!
LGY December 18th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
No, I’m not buying that. This has been going on since Matsui, Damon, and Cabrera left. What happened in Detroit is not at all unlike what happened in the regular season. The offense averaged 6 runs per game, despite being veritable no-shows for three of the five games. This Yankee team over the last couple years has been way too dependent on hot streaks for their run production…
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What team do you think has a more consistent offense?
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That’s a good question. I would have to really dig into the data to figure that out. However, without doing the analysis, I would guess that the 2009 Yankees were a good bit more consistent in run-production.
That’s a good question. I would have to really dig into the data to figure that out. However, without doing the analysis, I would guess that the 2009 Yankees were a good bit more consistent in run-production
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Do it really make sense to compare the 2009 Yankees to the 2011?
Ghostwriter December 18th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
RadioKev December 18th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
You know, it’s funny that Swisher’s post season is held against, and Gardner’s good post season doesn’t do anything for him either.
Something’s incosistent in the logic.
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Or something very consistent with it. It’s funny that way….
The New York Yankees need to not spend big money on mystery meat.
Soler is the only one who makes sense because he’s cheap and can be treated like a prospect and not depended on to be an immediate impact player who must live up to his big money contract.
NO to Darvish.
NO to Cespedes.
NO to mystery meat.
LGY December 18th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
That’s a good question. I would have to really dig into the data to figure that out. However, without doing the analysis, I would guess that the 2009 Yankees were a good bit more consistent in run-production
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Do it really make sense to compare the 2009 Yankees to the 2011?
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Sure it would. It might make more sense than comparing it with other teams. A good chuk of the ’09 team is intact in the ’11 team. The comparison could give an indication of what might need to be fixed.
At any rate, that’s the answer that I have for today…
“NO to Cespedes.”
Within reason, it might make sense to take a chance on Cepedes, because the Yanks don’t many in-house alternatives for the outfield.
Bret – I wouldn’t call the multimillion dollar price tag on Soler exactly “cheap”. Let’s say “relatively inexpensive, and a better value than….:
But, absolutely, NO to mystery meat, lol
DONNYBROOK December 18th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
- WHY YANKS LOST VS. DETROIT IN PLAYOFFS -
(1) YANKEE OFFENSE RENDERED IMPOTENT DUE TO GIRARDI SITTING REGULARS IN SEPT.
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Repeating fallacies over and over again doesn’t make it more true.
do the $6M bonus payments cost against the luxury tax? if so it would be really good for the yankees if he could go back to being a 40 hr guy and get 2 of those payments out of the way before the end of next season. doesn’t look good for that, but you don’t know what a healthy arod is capable of at this point.
was that nix trying to catch t he ball with his facemask?
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OK, here are some random Sunday thoughts for Yu all…
Let’s start with the basics.
(1) GMs try to make their clubs better on the field for the regular 162 as cost efficiently as possible. That’s what they are paid to do. They don’t deal for the postseason, to make a “splash,” to “counter their rivals,” etc. That is all just fanboy and sports blog nonsense.
(2) As the ancient and learned Bobcat said “you hear what they want you to hear.”
(3) What if the rumors that the Jays bid high and the Yankees bid low were rumors from a few hours BEFORE the 4 PM Wed deadline, and were the GMs messing with each other? The Jays (who should have no interest) would want the Yanks to bid high, and the Yankees (who should have a lot of interest) would want the Jays to bid low. These rumors are in both of their interests.
(4) Given (1) above, the Jays and Cubs have a lot more holes to fill than a potential #2. It makes no sense for either of them to blow all of their $$$$ on an unproven Japanese pitcher, no matter how potentially good. Remember, JP Riccardi was dumped in part due to exorbitant contracts for Vernon Wells and BJ Ryan. Same thing with the Cubs old GM, for the Zambrano contract amongst others.
(5) The Yankees most pressing need is a #2. They have really few other glaring holes to fill. They have a stacked minor league roster full of SPs if the gamble does not work out. They are willing to spend for pitching, and gamble with it (Carl Pavano, AJ Burnett, anyone?). That means if they really did bid, they bid to win. Nothing else makes sense.
(6) An important aspect of Japanese culture is “face.” It is terrible to lose “face.” If someone offers a bid of $40-50 million and the player is then not signed, everyone loses “face.” Remember the Dice-K debacle of a few years ago? Boras and his antics were overridden at the last minute by Dice-K, remember–and it was about losing “face.” This may explain the Ham Fighters reluctance to accept the bid. They want to be sure it is from a club that will sign the player, and a player the club wants to go to–especially when the player criticized the club and the posting system in public (a very big no-no in Japan). They are probably doing everything they can to be sure that it was the Yankees who made the high bid, and it is taking few days.
(7) The logical conclusion is that the Yankees made the high bid, and the Hams are being sure it was them and that Yu will sign with them. I cannot think of any other outcome that makes sense. Rangers? Mariners? Their money is better spent more efficiently elsewhere.
Very interesting next 48 hours.
PS–Jed Hoyer will never be a GM for any club other than the Cubs again. He screwed himself big time as Theo’s lackey.
PittsburghYankeeFan
I thought the MBL submission to the Ham Fighters is only the high bid, without disclosing the club. This is the basis on which their decision has to be made, the total of $$$
PittsburghYankeeFan,
1) That’s what a good GM does. I don’t doubt for a moment that some GMs make moves to make splashes. Happens all of the freakin time.
Regarding the Blue Jays, you can’t will away their interest. It’s been widely reported for weeks that the Jays have extensively scouted Darvish. Whether it makes financial sense for them or not, it seems that they like him quite a bit.
A top of rotation guy would certainly help the Jays compete against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays…after all they’re trying to win games too.
bardos
You are correct. That does not mean that the Hams are using every subterfuge possible to find out who it is…
RadioKev
I agree a #2 would help everyone, but the Jays have a lot better ways to spend their money to fill their multiple holes. I still think most GMs try to build the club, and it’s their bosses (the owners) who do the stupid things (Peter Angelos comes to mind)…
pyf, nice try but i’m not buying it. I said when the rumors were coming out just before the deadline that the yankees were downplaying their interest to keep the bidding lower, and there were several others who said the same thing. But that could just be that the yankees were hoping to get him at their price and not have to throw in $50M to get him. the idea that they had to ‘bid to win’ is exaggerated. its alot more likely that the bid is desined to win if he’s available at a price they think is fair and not above that amount.
Also, speculating on why the ham fighters are delaying their acceptance is just that speculation. idk how much you know about japanese culture, but there are tons of things you and I both likely don’t know a thing about that could be why they are waiting, including just the idea of keeping their name in the paper. you have to realize that once they announce their acceptance, they are no longer a part of the story which turns to team x negotiating with yu darvish, not the ham fighters.
And lastly, if the yankees had to bid as high as is speculated to get him, around $50M and then had to pay him what is rumored to be in the ballpark, 5/$75M, then they would be commiting to pay Yu more than they are paying CC, which i just can’t see them doing.
has there ever been a less valuable player with as gaudy stats as alex rodriguez has?
i can’t wait until he’s gone from the yankees.
that said , i hope he adds even more gaudy stats to his total next summer
I can’t imagine that the Ham Fighters have an interest in Darvish’s negotiations with the winning bidders, besides seeing Darvish signing with his new club. In fact, depending on the amount of the winning bid, I could envision that electing to stay with his old club could put Darvish in a very touchy situation.
The Blue Jays don’t have that many holes. They’ve got a decent enough line up, especially now with Lawrie.
Think about it like this: What team needs to significantly upgrade more? Would the Yankees pay $50million to talk to Darvish, to squeak out a few more games a year? They won 97 last year. They Jays were 81-81.
randy l. December 18th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
has there ever been a less valuable player with as gaudy stats as alex rodriguez has?
i can’t wait until he’s gone from the yankees.
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Three years ago, I would have agreed with you on this. However, Alex won me over in 2009 with his new team-first attitude (at least he started following Jeter’s lead in his dealings with the press
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randy, i’d like to nominate mike piazza.
When the bidding started, I guessed that the Jays or the REds might be the winners of the Darvish posting. Now that the Reds got Latos, I think that it’s the Jays. It just makes too much sense for them in my opinion.
RadioKev
The Jays have many SP hitting FA in 2013. If I were their GM I’d want to sign some of them with my money, not chase an unproven guy. Again, just my speculation. I also agree that Darvish is a want, not a need, for the Yankees (who are set to win 95-100 in 2012)–but whenever it’s only $$$$, and a want is there, the Yankees usually go for it.
YsGuy
I agree that I am only randomly speculating, but isn’t it weird that the Hams are taking so long? I remember the DiceK fiasco with Boras holding DiceK on a jet in LA until the last minute, when DiceK basically said enough. There was a lot of talk about “losing face” then…Finally, if it is only $$$$, I cannot see the Yankees losing over $8-10 million (the cost of Pedro Feliciano, by the way).
I have an easy time thinking the BlueJays are all in, and looking to make a big publicity splash to draw fans.
i dont know enough about japan to have any idea why they are waiting, but speculating that it’s because they are doing this or that is pretty rediculous from this far away. besides, tuesday is coming pretty quickly and i can wait till then.
randy, the second guy i’ll nominate is nolan ryan
Ys Guy
I can wait too.
The speculation is only based on reality from the DiceK negotiations of several years ago. I can tell you that losing “face” is a very big deal to those guys in Japan, especially guys at the level of corporate team ownership over there.
It will be very interesting to see what happens in a few days and all of the reasoning behind it.
Don’t tell ARod about any of the milestones…
same here pyf, i dont necesarily buy that toronto won, but i dont expect the yankees to either. we’ll find out soon enough. i was pulling for the nats because it seems like they can’t give their money away, but word is they didn’t bid.
and as an honorable mention to randy’s question, (since he’s being talked about as a hof’er) ill nominate tim raines
Sure it would. It might make more sense than comparing it with other teams. A good chuk of the ’09 team is intact in the ’11 team. The comparison could give an indication of what might need to be fixed
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Most notable difference is the splits. Yankees were equally effective offensively at home and on the road in ’09. Since, they’ve been about 85 OPS points and 1 full run better per game at home than they have been on the road.
i used to use ham fighters as my s.n. here, so every time i see it in a post, i think you’re talking about me…lol
There is a good size asian population in Canada/Toronto. Probably none of us really know how much more that would make Yu worth to them, but it could be a factor. However, many more are chinese, not japanese, so maybe if they are thinking along those lines they are miscalculating…
Villa Nova-Ya December 18th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Don’t tell ARod about any of the milestones…
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Good point.
A-Rod at 629 homers.
$30M marketing agreement based on home run milestones ($6M each for reaching 660, 714, 755 and tying and breaking major league HR record)
Salary for 2012 29M down from 31M
Hope he hits no more than 30 homers during regular season drives in >150 runs, and sets a record for most homers in postseason, leading them to a WS title next season.
Yankee Trader December 18th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
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Why no more than 30? Do you think that trying to get those last two homers will foul up his swing, and send him into a tailspin?
For my part, I’d like for Mays to be in the rear-view mirror by mid-September so he doesn’t have to think about it.
Ghostwriter-
Let A-Rod get the extra 6M the following season. Would rather him focus on winning games with timely hits and not shoot to make the extra 6M this year swing for the fences, during the regular season. Then he can hit tons of homers in the postseason, receiving the WS MVP, and the Yankees can put the extra 6M toward signing FA Cole Hamels for the 2013 season.
*swinging*
Sponichi mentions a Globe and Mail article by Jeff Blair that discusses the potential economic impact of signing a Yu Darvish. A snip:
Club performance played a role, but the bottom-line analysis was that Japanese players who make an impact – Ichiro, Matsui and Daisuke Matsuzaka, a free-agent pitcher who signed with the Boston Red Sox – could be worth an extra $11-million in revenue a season to their clubs.
And Matsuzaka also said he would be more than happy to provide Darvish with advice on the posting process if he needed it and offered the following advice through the media: do not rush negotiations as things will probably take time to fall into place; use your agent to get your ideas/thoughts across to the team you are negotiating with; and do not sell yourself short because you are worth it.
the last thing i could care about is arod’s milestones, really. just win baby!
In addition to the Yankees having a good team in 2009…..one big reason they got to and won the WS that year was because the teams they had to play to get there weren’t all that good
There were a few years where the Yankees wouldn’t have made the playoffs without Arod….namely 2007. When he was healthy I don’t think he was overated at all…..he was the Yanks best player from 2004 until 2009
Sad to hear that former Yankee Andy Carey passed away…..It been some years since I saw him on the golf course, but his foursome was always the first group out as they had a standing tee time…..This was in the early 90′s as our foursomes would follow them…..Never knew him that well other than idle baseball chatter but he rather talk golf…..I think Boyer followed him at 3rd…
i dont want to dump on arod, i’ve never liked him but i dont hate him, but whenever you say something bad about him on here, you are a hater and a troll, so i gernrally keep quiet. my complaint about him has always been hank’s contract, i never thought alex should have been resigned, but now i just hope the yankees can get something from him the last 6 years.
Re: Yu Darvish bidding. If the Yankee front office is sure that they have already lost, then plan B is now in effect and Cashman could be going into action very shortly.
Pat M. – Hi, hope you and mrs. are well today.
i never saw Andy Carey play, way before my time, but I’ve read about him. Always looked at as a guy who came to play.
Plus, the acquisition of Nakajima makes one suspect that Nuñez is being “freed up” in order to have a very viable chip to go after Jurrjens where the Braves have a hole at SS.
blake December 18th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
There were a few years where the Yankees wouldn’t have made the playoffs without Arod….namely 2007. When he was healthy I don’t think he was overated at all…..he was the Yanks best player from 2004 until 2009
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And he showed signs of being the biggest producer again early last season, but that all crumbled. Health is still the only thing that can stop him, he’s really too talented to age poorly.
And there it is:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....witterfeed
Nothing a lot of people haven’t already been saying for a week.
i don’t hate arod either, but i’ll never like watching him the way i do jeter, cano, montero etc
my only point is to put in my two cents about the milestones.
the only milestone i’ll be looking at is the one where his contract ends.
i think the yankees would have had as much success without arod because he took up so much space with his salary , and when he was at his best i didn’t love the kind of baseball the yankees played. i would much prefer hitters who are much better situational hitters than arod was or is.
the one time i started to warm up to him was when he started driving ground balls and line drives up the middle in late 2009, that didn’t last past that fall season.
there’s plenty of players on the yankees to cheer. for me arod just isn’t one of them.
i really never thought they were going to get him but ‘sources with knowlege” saying they aren’t getting him on nj.com doesn’t do it for me
I guess the only question is if the reports that the Darvish bid exceeds the Matsuzaka bid are true.
Pat M. December 18th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Sad to hear that former Yankee Andy Carey passed away…..It been some years since I saw him on the golf course, but his foursome was always the first group out as they had a standing tee time…..This was in the early 90?s as our foursomes would follow them…..Never knew him that well other than idle baseball chatter but he rather talk golf…..I think Boyer followed him at 3rd…
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Pat, sad to here that about Carey. Never much of a defensive third baseman, but, a decent hitter. He was between Dr. Bobby Brown (Yogi’s road room mate) and Clete Boyer as Yankee 3rd baseman, sharing with Gil McDougal.
The one story involving Carey was a game in the 50s about him and Stengel. Carey was never a particular favorite of Stengel’s. Late in a game at YS against the White Sox when Carey would usuakky be pinch hit for, with Carey in the on deck circle, Stengel called him back. Carey figures it was the end of the day for him. Stengel tells Carey who was a right handed hitter and a right handed pitcher on the mound, “Get your ass out there and hit the 1st pitch into the right field seats.” Carey hit the first pitch into the right field seats. after the game, Carey was asked what Stengel had said and Carey told the writer. He added, “When The Old Man tells us to do something, we do it.”
The genius of Casey Stengel.
I guess a number of sportswriters have an interest in making sure that we all think that they had some inside dope on the workings of the Darvish deal. Whatever. I’m content to wait until Tuesday.
just the fact that there’s a post about what milestones he can reach soon added to his contract with a 10% bonus for personal milestones shows how arod isn’t really compatable with what the yankees are all about. Jeter seemed embarrassed about the hoopla about him going for 3000 hits because thats not what being a yankee is all about. jeter didnt demand extra pay for being the first yankee to get 3000.
how is this for a positive view:
the winning bid team (Toronto or Rangers) spend such a large amount for the posting, they decide to lowball Darvish in the actual contract negotiation. The negotiation goes down to the 11th hour (similar to DiceK) yet in this case Darvish opts to stay in Japan an additional year, and wins free-agency.
then the following year, with Darvish a free-agent and no posting fee to get in the way, he signs with NYY.
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Ys Guy December 18th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
i really never thought they were going to get him but ‘sources with knowlege” saying they aren’t getting him on nj.com doesn’t do it for me
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You think Marc Craig just made up the source?
Ghostwriter December 18th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
I guess a number of sportswriters have an interest in making sure that we all think that they had some inside dope on the workings of the Darvish deal. Whatever. I’m content to wait until Tuesday.
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That’s all any off season reporting is..
If the winning team lowballs Darvish then MLB can award the bid to the 2nd place team if they think they aren’t negotiating in good faith.
Darvish has a better chance at getting more money this year as Hamels, Danks, Cain etc aren’t out there with him……however the reports are that he wont accept an offer he deems unfair.
no, i think marc craig is using a source who isn’t as knowlegable as he claims to be. but i don’t doubt he’s right, i just don’t trust all these ‘people with knowlege’ that are saying what is going to happen.
vinny-b December 18th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
how is this for a positive view:
the winning bid team (Toronto or Rangers) spend such a large amount for the posting, they decide to lowball Darvish in the actual contract negotiation. The negotiation goes down to the 11th hour (similar to DiceK) yet in this case Darvish opts to stay in Japan an additional year, and wins free-agency.
then the following year, with Darvish a free-agent and no posting fee to get in the way, he signs with NYY.
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Again, Darvish has to play *3* more years in Japan before he can become a true free agent.
really i hope that the jays lay out $125M+ and darvish turns out to be a little better than dice-k. the jays were really kinda lucky to get out from under rios’s and well’s contracts that were eating up half of the jays universe, i hope if they get yu he starts a new trend of a couple of guys getting way more than they are worth, tying up their payroll without giving them enough to bring the division home.
Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup )…..I was a Marshall at a Charity Golf Tourney last weekend in which the field was about 1/2 filled with ballplayers mostly retired guys…….George Brett won 2 longest drives…….Some good stuff and free booze carts everywhere…..You shooting in the low 70′s yet or are you still sand bagging…….
vinny-b December 18th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
how is this for a positive view:
the winning bid team (Toronto or Rangers) spend such a large amount for the posting, they decide to lowball Darvish in the actual contract negotiation. The negotiation goes down to the 11th hour (similar to DiceK) yet in this case Darvish opts to stay in Japan an additional year, and wins free-agency.
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That’s a theory that’s been kicked around a bit. I think that it’s plausible, and in some sense taking a hard line in the negotiations with Darvish could justify making a “ridiculous” bid for him. However, as long as the winning team offers Darvish some premium over what he is slated to get over the next three years in Japan, then I think that Darvish will probably take the deam. I can’t imagine that the Ham Fighters would be very happy with Darvish costing the club all of that money, which they would stand to make from the posting fee, by rejecting a reasonable offer.
Also from that Darvish article on NJ.com:
“Not only do the Yankees believe they are out on Darvish, but the person with knowledge also said they almost certainly will be on the sidelines during the pursuit of Cuban sensation Yeonis Cespedes.
The Yankees have scouted Cespedes and came away believing him to be an everyday major league center fielder. But even that belief won’t be enough for the Yankees to be a factor in the bidding.
Cespedes’ camp has sent signals all winter that they are aiming for a contract more lucrative that the one awarded by the Reds to Aroldys Chapman, another highly-touted Cuban defector, who signed a six-year, $30.25 million deal before the 2010 season.”
If it’s someone with knowledge, they’d have to be in the Yankee organization as they didn’t know who won the bidding. You think Marc Craig doesn’t know people in the Yankee organization, or that he doesn’t know who knows what? He does this for a living.
I’ll eat crow for defending him if this is BS, but it’s highly unlikely it’s BS.
who’da thunk that the chiefs would end the packers’ undefeated record?
THAT’S why they play the games…
Rodriguez takes a lot of crap, and much from people who should know better. He takes more heat than anyone for 2004, and he’s the last one that should. Try blaming the players that disappeared for the majority of that series against Boston and blame the pitching staff. The other BS was “Why didn’t they run on Wakefield (because he didn’t pitch in games where there were runners and because NYYs won the games) and “why didn’t they bunt on Schilling? (who on that team could bunt? Cairo was 2-3 and Jeter was 1-4. One of Cairo’s doubles was with 2 outs and on jeter’s hit it scored Cairo who had another double)
RadioKev December 18th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
If it’s someone with knowledge, they’d have to be in the Yankee organization as they didn’t know who won the bidding. You think Marc Craig doesn’t know people in the Yankee organization, or that he doesn’t know who knows what? He does this for a living.
I’ll eat crow for defending him if this is BS, but it’s highly unlikely it’s BS.
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BS or not, I generally don’t put too much stock in stories with “unnamed sources”…
Packers puckered. Hehe
kev, stuff gets quoted all the time from ‘knowlegeble sources’ that doesnt actually happen. i dont doubt that this guy knows who he’s dealing with, but you cant deny that ‘knowlegeable sources’ often arent.
Whoa!!! Colts win, Packs lose.
Ys Guy December 18th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
kev, stuff gets quoted all the time from ‘knowlegeble sources’ that doesnt actually happen. i dont doubt that this guy knows who he’s dealing with, but you cant deny that ‘knowlegeable sources’ often arent.
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I’ll take any national writer’s knowledgeable sources with a grain of salt, but when it’s a beat writer I’ll buy. This writer isn’t a rumor monger. There’s no point in pretending.
hey, im not pretending anything, i didnt think there was any way the yankees were gonna lay out that kind of cash, and i wouldnt want them to anyway. but i’m perfectly happy to wait till mlb announces who won the bidding.
That’s fair as the other reports on the contract offer could still be a load of crap.
If the Cubs and Padres are talking Garza then Cash should try and get in on that…..I can’t think of a reason why the Padres would want Garza other than to flip him for other pieces they need…..
GreenBeret7 December 18th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Rodriguez takes a lot of crap, and much from people who should know better. He takes more heat than anyone for 2004, and he’s the last one that should. Try blaming the players that disappeared for the majority of that series against Boston and blame the pitching staff.
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Didn’t Mo blow three saves in that series? Not that I’m not blaming it on Mo– it was a team loss.
Mo did not have a good series in 2004, however, if I’m remembering correctly, wasn’t that the year his family suffered a traumatic loss?
Are the Maariners in the process of being sold or are there financial problems there? why else would there be two court ordered appraisals on the team’s value?
From MLBTradeRumors
“•Two court-ordered appraisals suggest the value of the Mariners’ franchise is much higher than what Forbes reported earlier this year, as Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times writes.”
Carig definitely stays away from the sensational and what I’ve read from him seems pretty even-handed.
But even with that being said, what’s the point of sealed, blind, secret bid if people are going to “talk amongst themselves” and have the nature of the bid,if not the exact amount, filter out? It’s a ridiculous process in every aspect
Rivera had 2 blown saves. The pitching and offense pretty much disappeared after game three
It’s a ridiculous process in every aspect
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The only people who disagree with you are those Japanese teams. I think all other parties agree.
B Diddy to the Knicks!!
“.I was a Marshall at a Charity Golf Tourney last weekend in which the field was about 1/2 filled with ballplayers mostly retired guys…….George Brett won 2 longest drives…”
pat m-
that sounds like that was a good time.
i was starting to play well down in miami in november and over thanksgiving with a few rounds in the mid 70′s, but i’ve been in maine for past few weeks so what i’ve been getting good at is freezing my butt off.
i’ll get back down after the holidays though. how’s your bionic body holding up on the links?
Quick drive-by to say:
I am in love with Tim Tebow.
I am in love with the youth movement copying the Tebow reverence.
I love his unabashed and unapologetic open reverence to his God.
I am looking forward to watching Denver decimate the Pats.
GO BRONCOS!
pretty hard to figure what they are doing out there in seattle, they have a terrible team and don’t seem to want to do anything to fix it. they finished last im mlb in runs, average, obp and slugging and what have they done to fix that? maybe 1.9 M and a team payroll of $95M works out well for them financially, but 101 losses would indicate that the attendance is likely to crash. they claim they are going after fielder, but its been a long time since they outbid anyone for top talent.
Go Tebow! Beat the Tom Bradys!
the court-ordered appraisals were to help settle the divorce of a minority owner.
God love you, trisha
when you look at the trade the pads made with latos, and consider all the holes in the mariner’s roster, you’ve gotta wonder why they aren’t floating king felix out there. even if they do get fielder, they still aren’t gonna compete in the west. I’m not one of those people who have proposed a million trades to bring hernandez to the yankees, but you’d have to think they could really put together some nice pieces if they moved him.
Andy Carey. Wore No. 6 while a Yankee ……………….
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.....8;c_id=nyy
“you’ve gotta wonder why they aren’t floating king felix out there.”
Cause they are dumb…..Felix isn’t as appealing to me as he used to be……only 3 years of control left and he makes a bunch of money…..Latos has 5 years of making peanuts left. Id still like to have him but less so than before…..
“jeter didnt demand extra pay for being the first yankee to get 3000.”
With all things A-Rod it always has to be in contrast to Jeter. No need to choose sides between them any more since they are both Yankees. The Jeter/A-Rod/Nomar competition ended years ago except in many Yankee fans heads.
it is crazy, if they dont sign fielder, and i dont believe they will, then they have no chance to do anything next year. So that puts them next winter as still a last place team with only 2 years left of hernandez. its ridiculous.
it seems that like i said above, they figure that if they can draw 1.9 million fans and keep the payroll under $100M then they are going to make alot of money. and they figure that as long as they have ichiro and hernandez, people will keep coming out.
we have to remember that alot of ther teams out there don’t really start out each season with the goal of winning anything, just making money.
blake -
Yup – Felix is definitely losing his appeal. Yet the Mariners will want as much for him tomorrow as they did yesterday, so to speak.
The Mariners are well behind the Rangers and now the Angels in that division……they just don’t have enough offense and its tough to imagine they will in the next three years………
sorry fan, i dont worship at the alter of jeter either, but the contrast is obvious. arod is really the only guy i can remember on the yankees who, when you talk about him, you talk about milestones and money, not winning.
Don’t get me wrong….id love to put Felix beside Sabathia in the rotation…..but given the amount if innings he’s thrown…..the amount of money he’s making now….and what the Mariners would ask for to aquire him…..I just don’t if itd be worth it even if he were made available.
Other than A-Rod and Mariano, what Yankee in the last 10 years has had an MLB milestone to talk about?
Ys Guy – it’s a cynical view, unfortunately, but I think it’s the accurate view. There’s no reasonable way that the Mariners are going to compete in that division for a few years, at least.
Whenever you doubt it’s about money, just remember, it’s always about money.
i’m not pushing for the yankees to send montero plus plus to seattle to bring hernandez back. i was just musing on the mariners and trying to figure out what they are thinking and all i can come up with is making money. felix definitely brings out the fans and so does ichiro. it seems you can get away with that kind of thing on the west coast, san diego was just a scosch better than the m’s (29th in most offensive categories) and drew 2.1 million fans and probably made a ton of money. but at least they are looking at making 4 for 1 type trades to make them a better team. when you are as bad as the M’s you have to look at what you have and what you could get for it. that is unless you are just trying to make a buck.
Needs: to become a normal human being.
1 yr to pass everybody.
Padres need to keep AGon.
i would be the wrong person to ask about yankees milestones because, as mentioned about, i couldnt give a damn about them. the yankees aren’t about that.
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Forget the mileposts, I’d just like to see A Rod out there healthy and playing almost every game. If he can shake the injuries then we can see where he is at when he can play healthy. I hope ARod can get back to close what he was in previous years.
my feeling about yankee’s milestones is, when they pass someone, tell me about it and i’ll give them a cheer, maybe a standing O if we’re winning. other than that just tell me what the score is and how far ahead we are in the standings.
Y’s Guy-
But they are.
They are the ones who are willing to pay ARod for his milestones.
They did not exactly ignore Jeter passing Gehrig or getting his 3,000th hit and Mariano his 602nd save.
Why is that bad?
They are about winning and celebrating the milestones along the way.
Also, I don’t recall ARod himself talking about his milestones unless he is asked. If you pay attention to his interviews, at least in the last 3 years, all he talks about his team goals.
Went and watched the Giants game if you could call it that. Hard to believe you don’t come to play every week, a few did, many didn’t. Coaching change is coming.
Suzuki isn’t really much of a drawing card any more. Hernandez is all they have. After this past season, Suzuki will be even less of a draw. How come nobody, whether fans or media, talks about Suzuki’s collapse like they have about a Jeter or Rodriguez?
KURODA
gary, im with you, dude. how do you not show up for a division game in december with first place on the line. i realize they still control their own destiny, but this team cant win any PS games. tough to take when you consider eli is having a career year…
I don’t think Alex cares about the milestones anymore. If he hadn’t been outed, it would probably matter more to him. Now that the world knows that he’s a former user, he’s more interested in the big picture. He got a taste of winning in 2009. I think he wants to win again more than anything else.
i dont know that people out west would call it a collapse. he wasnt as good in 2010 as before, but still was pretty good statistically, although alot of more intense baseball watchers noticed him starting to lose interest. last year was terrible, but i think most people in seattle assumed it was just a down season. they drew 1.9M for a 101 loss team, so they are coming out to see something other than just king felix. weather and a gorgeous ballpark play a big role in it, but i just dont think people on the west coast see baseball through the same prism that we east coast crazies do.
laura, so the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak?
“laura, so the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak?”
The flesh and the hip.
I still think that Alex can be a 30/100 guy. He just needs to talk his body into cooperating.
you cant call irchiro’s last 2 seasons a ‘collapse’ without calling arod’s last 2 a collapse, too.
Arod is washed up, often injured and over the hill, so is his record book chase.
“just the fact that there’s a post about what milestones he can reach soon added to his contract with a 10% bonus for personal milestones shows how arod isn’t really compatable with what the yankees are all about.”
Yet the Yankees gave him that contract.
Nick in SF -
That’s what I’m sayin’ — if the Yankees cared so little about milestones, ARod is allowed to go his own way back then…
arod’s last 2 seasons:
lowest hr totals (both seasond) since 1997, lowest ba’s since 1995, lowest slugging %s since 1995, lowest obp’s since 1995, no mvp votes (first time since 1995)
i root for arod and hope he has something left to take him through the last 6 years of his contract, but i don’t see him as even in the top 3 on his own team anymore.
i said above that i blame hank for the contract not arod.
Hanley for Arod and a couple of prospects….NOW !
yankees owe arod $173M, fish owe hanram $45M. hanram is going to beat arod statistically every season. yanks would have to send about $150M to make that deal. could be a good move.
ok, lets call it $100M plus some b prospects.
I think Alex still cares about milestones. I think all players do even those who say they don’t. Some are just better actors when they lie about it.
There are very few third basemen that put up 30+ homers, 100+ rBI and a .280-.290 batting average year after year. Two of the last 3 years by Rodriguez. Given his number of at bats, that’s pretty inpressive. He can’t control injuries unless you’d prefer to see him or any other player dog it on the field. His numbers in 2011 were on the same target.
Perhaps you’d better look at Sukuki’s numbers against his 2009 and 2010 numbers. The drops were worse than Jeter’s or Rodriguez. Sorry, but, that’s as much of a collapse as people are claiming Jeter/Rodriguiz had.
Jeter, just like Rodriguez knows exactly what his numbers are and where he stands. Rivera may not know exactly, but, he knows that the numbers are pretty damned good.
its all behind us. we got him we have to pay that contract. i had him rated #12 on my fbb draft board last year hoping for a big comeback. that didnt pan out on the teams that i got him on. this year’s early boards have arod at #48-52. i hope they are wrong. we need this guy to be healthy and hold down the #4 or 5 spot in the order. im rooting for him! (but not drafting him before #45 or so…)