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Now what?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 20, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Well, that’s over.

The Yu Darvish showcase showdown finally came to an end last night when the Rangers were announced as the high bidders with a whopping $51.7 million posting fee. Texas now has 30 days to negotiate a deal with the Japanese superstar.

The Yankees, meanwhile, have two months to make some kind of move that will excite their fan base.

It might not happen.

Brian Cashman has been preaching patience this winter, and the Yankees have been practicing what they preach. This hasn’t been the free agent spending spree of 2008. There has been no repeat of the 2009 trade for Curtis Granderson, and it’s hard to find an available free agent who could be this year’s Rafael Soriano.

So what’s next for the Yankees now that Darvish is officially off their radar?

Other teams have traded for top young starters this winter, but the costs have been steep, and Cashman hasn’t been willing to meet those demands in his own trade talks. The biggest names still on the free agent market don’t seem to fit the Yankees needs. There are other big names on the international market, but like Darvish, they come with hefty price tags and no guarantees.

Could this be the winter when the Yankees aren’t spending, and aren’t bluffing?

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322 Responses to “Now what?”

  1. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Rumor is Yankees bid $20-$25 million

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    Where did you see this?

  2. joeman December 20th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    I’m not excited at all this off-season..looks like another 95 win season and a 1st rd playoff loss. Tex & Angels are better

  3. mick December 20th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Joe Saunders and Jamie Moyer for minor leaGUE INVITE?

  4. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Yes. It could be Chad.

    I have no problem with it either.

    They can still get one of the Cubans.

    They can still make a trade.

    Or maybe they will just continue to be pateint and wait for the right opportunity to arise.

    We’ll see.

  5. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Ho hum, just another 95 win season. Same old same old. :roll:

    Nice to have faith in your team.

    Glad to see people handing out post-season awards before a pitch has been thrown.

  6. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Or rather, denying post-season awards before a pitch has been thrown.

  7. mick December 20th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    I’m not excited at all this off-season..looks like another 95 win season and a 1st rd playoff loss.
    ================================
    Talk about a sense of entitlement.

  8. Irreverent Discourse December 20th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Texas Rangers for more than Dice-K’s posting fee.

    Gee that sounds familiar… :)

  9. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Villa Nova- :)

  10. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Well blake was right.. the winning big was literally just a bit higher than Dice K’s. Gotta assume his contract will be as well. Even if the results are moderately better, that’s a ton of money o invest in one player. Especially one that isn’t playing every day..

  11. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    winning bid* ugh!

  12. 86w183 December 20th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    The Yanks have had outstanding seasons that ended in poor playoff performances such as 2002, with 103 Wins, but lost in the LDS.

    They’ve also had barely above mediocre seasons such as 2000 where they managed just 87 wins, but won the World Series.

    The two have virtually nothing in common and the constant whining that not making a certain move in DECEMBER guarantees a first round exit is ignorant.

  13. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Winning the off season seems to be a bit of a hex.

    Just ask Boston. Miami, LA of A, and Texas might be in for rude surprises.

    Add Soler, subtract AJ, factor in Noesi, and the team will be better. And more than plenty good enough.

  14. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Joe-

    You forgot to factor in Montero, a bounceback from Hughes, A-Rod, and Tex.

    No need to thank me.

    :)

  15. raymagnetic December 20th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Where are all the geniuses who said the posting fee would be less than Dice K’s because the Sox overbid and yada yada yada.

    Show yourselves.

  16. austinmac December 20th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Cashman is under orders, I believe, to get payroll down by 2014. Cespedes doesn’t do that unless they truly believe he can replace Swisher at a lower cost.

    Question of the day–Who are the potential pitchers possibly acquirable(non-Felix category)who are possibly still available and who are the teams actively seeking pitching?

    Possible pitchers–Gio, Danks, Jackson, Kuroda, Garza, Wandy, Davis. Have I missed anyone?

    Possible teams–Jays, Yankees, Sox, Rockies, Royals, Marlins, Mets, O’s. Understanding most every team wants pitching, are their any others said to be actively shopping?

    It would seem an acquisition is still possible but costly.

  17. Yankee Trader December 20th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Triple
    Saw the rumored bid in NY Daily News-feinsand
    Have to go

  18. austinmac December 20th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    I am sure glad we can count on bounce back years from those that had bad seasons but no regression from anyone. That’s comforting. :)

  19. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Mac-

    “Cespedes doesn’t do that unless they truly believe he can replace Swisher at a lower cost.”

    maybe that is exactly what they are thinking ?

    If the price is right it might make sense to bring him into the fold.

    ;)

  20. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    From MLBTR –

    Those who know Cole Hamels doubt he would give the Phillies much of a discount on a potential extension, according to Tyler Kepner of the New York Times. The 27-year-old John Boggs & Associates client posted a 2.79 ERA with 8.1 K/9, 1.8 BB/9 and a 52.3% ground ball rate in 215 innings this past season. He’s set to hit free agency after the 2012 season (MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects a $14MM salary for Hamels in his final season of arbitration eligibility).

    From Kepner’s article, Phils seem to have limited financial wiggle room. They have $100M committed to 6 players, already, two of whom are pitchers. Three SPs with $20M per year deals? That’s pretty rich.

  21. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    If they did only bid 20 to 25 million why bid at all? I guess they valued him as much as Key Igawa

  22. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Mac-

    I never said there wouldn’t be any regressions did I ?

    Those are possible from Nova, and Grandy in particular in my mind.

    :)

  23. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    MTU – I was focusing on pitching, but you’re right. Having a DH not dead last among DHs would be an addition, also.

  24. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Joe-

    Good place to focus. That’s for sure.

    :)

  25. Yankee Trader December 20th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    The Yankees placed a bid for Darvish believed to be between $20 million and $25 million, though they did so under the assumption that another team — likely the Rangers or Blue Jays — would bid nearly twice that much for Darvish’s rights.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z1h5Llhb47

  26. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    My take on Cespedes:

    If the investment is 30-40 million over 5 or 6 years then Im taking that gamble. I have no idea if he can hit in the big leagues but he’s got some special special tools. I think with the changing rules…..with the upside he potentially has…..and with Swisher becoming a FA soon it would be a worthwhile gamble at that money.

  27. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    And I would definitely sign Soler…..go out with a bang on international spending.

  28. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Blake-

    According to my math that’s a lot cheaper per year than Nick.

    Give him a half year at AAA and bring him up if he does well.

    if that worked out He might be the the younger, cheaper and more athletic replacement.

    Might also be a hedge against another sub-par season from GGBG.

    I have no idea what he will cost though.

    Price might be prohibitive.

  29. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    blake – I think the years you’re willing to offer might be too much. 5-6?

  30. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Blake-

    I’m definitely in on Soler with or without Cespedes.

  31. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    I see some Nelson Cruz in Cespedes swing……and the extension is Vladish. Of course that means in no way he will be anything close to those guys……but how many people on the planet can both hit a baseball 500 feet and run a 6.35 60? Answer …..probably less than 10. It could be a waste of 30+ million bucks…….it could also be a huge bargain and that’s the sort of risk the Yanks SHOULD be taking.

  32. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Blake-

    According to my math that’s a lot cheaper per year than Nick.

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    Be careful of that voodoo math, MTU! lol

    I agree on both Cubans though.. if you can get both for just money and develop Soler to come up with Williams, Heathcott and Santana I’d be 100% on board with that plan. I do expect them to sign one or the other.

  33. pkyankfan69 December 20th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    I’m sorry if this has been mentioned already but has the Yankee bid for Darvish been announced yet???

    Just curious to see how interested they actually were in Yu.

  34. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Joe,

    30 million over 6 years is what Chapman got I think……that’s like a 5 million AAV.

  35. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Ill be very disappointed if they don’t sign Soler if its a minor league deal he’s after
    …..I mean that’s the Yanks wheelhouse and its about to be taken away.

  36. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    And Chapman can’t even cook a whole hog – Cespedes is looking like more and more of a bargain by the minute! ;)

  37. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    maybe they can have a Cuban food vendor at the Stadium.

  38. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    .I mean that’s the Yanks wheelhouse and its about to be taken away.

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    If it is their “wheelhouse” then they certainly haven’t been taking advantage of it lately

  39. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Blake-

    It’s all about evaluation.

    The Yankees have scouted the guy.

    They have placed a certain value on him based upon that.

    If they can sign him within that range and they think he is a ML player they might just pull the trigger.

    He is relatively young and it is an area of need for us at the moment.

    It could make sense.

  40. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Blake-

    It’s just the usual rumor mill but Goldstein says that he thinks the Yankees are heavily interested in Cespedes.

  41. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    I’m not excited at all this off-season..looks like another 95 win season and a 1st rd playoff loss. Tex & Angels are better

    ___

    Said the same thing last year about Boston and Philly…

  42. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Cespedes and Soler and call it an offseason.

    The Yankees made the move they had to move (re-signing CC Sabathia). Am I in love with the rotation? No. The problem though is that guys on the trade market who represent clear upgrades are going to cost a ton in terms of prospects and the guys who are available, either via free agency or for more reasonable trade costs do not represent clear upgrades.

  43. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    “And Chapman can’t even cook a whole hog –Cespedes is looking like more and more of a bargain by the minute!”

    I know right…..I bet he can’t do those beach jumps either ;)

  44. djsunyc December 20th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 9:26 am
    If they did only bid 20 to 25 million why bid at all? I guess they valued him as much as Key Igawa

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    if you already have derek jeter, why call up texas for arod at all? nothing wrong with kicking the tires…

    the yankees could be going lower payroll for a few reasons which could include a drop off in face value ticket sales, a drop off in luxury/legends seat sales, or they are prepping to sell the team altogether…

  45. Irreverent Discourse December 20th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    25mil was a reasonable bid, if that’s true. That leaves you room for the contract, and it leaves Darvish the chance to actually succeed and return value on the entire process.

    The Rangers are screwed. Darvish basically has to be the best pitcher in the league to have any chance of returning the amount of money they are spending on him.

  46. RayVT December 20th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    I think if the Yanks could sign Soler 1st, the price for Cespedes might come down some.

  47. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Texas took a major hit to their rotation in CJ Wilson.

    Now it’s entirely possible that by adding Darvish and Neftali Feliz they’ll be better than they were last year – but those two are both pretty big question marks.

    That said, I think this is the first time in a long time that the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays might be competing for one playoff spot.

    Rays, by the way, are trying to swing a deal with the Padres for Anthony Rizzo and the Nationals are very intent on trading for Gio (lord I don’t know why)

  48. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Chip-

    What has happened to you ?

    You have become so “sensible”.

    :)

  49. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    RayVT – good point.

  50. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    RayVT December 20th, 2011 at 9:56 am
    I think if the Yanks could sign Soler 1st, the price for Cespedes might come down some.

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    Not sure that the two would be related – Soler is looked at (as I understand it) as more of a prospect while Cespedes is considered to be more of a ML player.

  51. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Chip – the Rays would have to part with some of their SP surplus. Niemann, Davis? I really don’t think they would deal Shields.

  52. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    25mil was a reasonable bid, if that’s true.

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    Bidding less then they did on Kei Igawa is a reasonable bid?

  53. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Time to walk the Mops.

    BIAW

  54. blake December 20th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    David Price will be wearing another uniform by July 2013. I think they’ll keep Shields and trade him as he’s probably going to cost more and would bring a monster return. Price is projected to make 8 million this year as an arb 1……wait til he’s an arb 2 and 3 with his comps.

  55. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    if you already have derek jeter, why call up texas for arod at all? nothing wrong with kicking the tires…

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    What does this have to do with placing a low ball offer for Darvish?

  56. 86w183 December 20th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Wade Davis is the Rays pitcher most likely to be dealt. Shields would bring a lot back and save them a lot more money.

    I’ve been in favor of Cespedes and/or Soler over Darvish, Wilson or Buerhle all along. The Yanks lack high level OF prospects but have plenty of high level pitching.

  57. blake December 20th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Wouldn’t be surprised if Friedman was already trolling for a big big package behind the scenes for Price. It sounds crazy but that’s his the Rays operate…..they’ll trade a better pitcher for a better return just like they did with Garza.

  58. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Did they sign KURODA yet!?

  59. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank December 20th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Is hank stein dead?
    I’m sorry, but it woulda been cool to watch Yu.
    The Yanks need some drama, international panache ,
    Too boring….

  60. blake December 20th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    “Shields would bring a lot back and save them a lot more money.”

    Price will being more back and will probably cost more than Shields over the next 3 seasons.

  61. 108 stitches December 20th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:19 am
    Winning the off season seems to be a bit of a hex.

    Just ask Boston. Miami, LA of A, and Texas might be in for rude surprises.

    Add Soler, subtract AJ, factor in Noesi, and the team will be better. And more than plenty good enough.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    My exact thoughts. Add in a ready-to-go Phil Hughes and as always good team health and there’s no reason not to be excited.

  62. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    $25 million??

    Yu gotta be kidding me

  63. dogface December 20th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Bidding less then they did on Kei Igawa is a reasonable bid?

    ============================

    Hadn’t thought of it in that light. Makes their Darvish bid a little less reasonable if when I do.

    I think it was more of a “lets get in it on the off chance that everyone is lowballing and maybe we hit” type of effort. Rangers need him a lot more than the Yankees do.

  64. Carlo December 20th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    LGY December 20th, 2011 at 10:09 am
    Did they sign KURODA yet!?

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    LGY – not sure if you are kidding or not, but i never subscribed to this theory that the yankees would jump to get kuroda if they didnt get darvish……when it was obvious from the start thatthey werent going to do what it took to get darvish……they may has well have gotten aggressive with kuroda last week.

  65. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Yanks should get everybody.
    500m payroll.
    Why not?
    It’s only money…

  66. blake December 20th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    All we need is just a little patience…….paaattience..!

  67. dogface December 20th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Just ask Boston. Miami, LA of A, and Texas might be in for rude surprises

    ================================

    Or maybe one of them is the 2009 Yankees.

    The pendulum swings both ways.

  68. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    hell make it an even billion, give everybody a raise.

  69. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Yanks should get everybody.

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    Yes because wanting Darvish means we want everyone.

  70. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    dogface – yup. ultimately, for all the planning, scheming, and dreaming, it comes down to how the players play.

  71. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Truly hoping Darvish hardballs the crap out of the Rangers.

    Can’t stand the thought of him with the claw and antlers crew.

  72. blake December 20th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Let Hank out of the basement!

  73. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Hank will never see the light of day again.

  74. Mike Ri December 20th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Bidding less then they did on Kei Igawa is a reasonable bid?

    LOL LOL

  75. blake December 20th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    The Rangers signing Darvish is much preferable to them signing Fielder and then obtaining a Matt Garza vis trade. Im still hoping they think Mitch Moreland is good

  76. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Hal’s goal is to win it without the games highest payroll.

  77. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Will the Yankees now offer less money to Hamels then they did to Jaret Wright?

  78. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank December 20th, 2011 at 10:10 am
    Is hank stein dead?

    *******************

    They really need to let Hank out of his cave and let him speak to the press. We’d be entertained for days! ;)

  79. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    KURODA makes so much sense it hurts.

    I’m feeling that hurt like I did at the trade deadline with Beltran.

  80. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Yanks will be fair and offer the right price, if the player doesn’t want to play here for that then he can walk.

  81. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    # LGY December 20th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    $25 million??

    Yu gotta be kidding me

    —————–

    If that’s true why even put in a bid

  82. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    If that’s true why even put in a bid

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    Exactly but I’m sure the Yanks are always right crowd with have some explanation

  83. 108 stitches December 20th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Toronto also put up a sizable posting fee and if they have the money for that, they’ll go after Kuroda or Saunders to fill out their pitching. They sense 2012 as the year they move past Boston in the AL East.

  84. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    # Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    If that’s true why even put in a bid

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    Exactly but I’m sure the Yanks are always right crowd with have some explanation

    ————————————–

    It’s best to just not put the bid in if you’re not going to go all out. Now the response if they didn’t put in a bid everyone would freak. Maybe they would have but no way in hell could the Yankees think 20-25 was going to get it down.

  85. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    LGY December 20th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Truly hoping Darvish hardballs the crap out of the Rangers.

    Can’t stand the thought of him with the claw and antlers crew.
    =======================

    Me too. It would a revolting development if Darvish actually wound up being a bargain. If the Rangers wanted Darvish more thab Wilson, then Darvish should be asking for Wilson money–$70 miiliion over 5 years sounds about right.

  86. yclept December 20th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    I am not sure where the “Yankees are always right” crowd is, but isn’t the answer quite obvious? They put in the bid just in case – that’s it. In their opinion, Darvish isn’t worth an over-the-top kind of deal, which is what Texas did. Whether the Yankees were right or not, we’ll find out soon enough.

    I can’t believe people in this blog call this team “boring”. My goodness.

  87. dogface December 20th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    then Darvish should be asking for Wilson money–$70 miiliion over 5 years sounds about right.

    ===================================

    He can ask. Limited leverage says he probably gets $12M. He can always go back to Japan, but he’ll be doing so for $9M and he isn’t a free agent for another 3 years.

    6 years and $72ish is where I see that ending up.

  88. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    They put in the bid just in case – that’s it. In their opinion, Darvish isn’t worth an over-the-top kind of deal

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    So in their opinion Key Igawa was the better pitcher since they bid more on him?

  89. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    I can’t believe people in this blog call this team “boring”.
    ==================================
    They oughtta look in the mirror.

  90. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    # Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    If that’s true why even put in a bid

    ——————————————-

    Exactly but I’m sure the Yanks are always right crowd with have some explanation

    ————————————–

    It’s best to just not put the bid in if you’re not going to go all out. Now the response if they didn’t put in a bid everyone would freak. Maybe they would have but no way in hell could the Yankees think 20-25 was going to get it down.
    =================

    No, you shouldn’t put in a bid that exceeds your internal valuation of the item that you are bidding on. If you bid at or above your valuation, then winning the bid means that you lose. The Yankees lost absolutely nothing by participating in this bidding process, and they stood to gain a solid pitching prospect if they won. Obviously, Texas valued Darvish more; it really is as simple as that.

  91. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    No, you shouldn’t put in a bid that exceeds your internal valuation of the item that you are bidding on

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    So I’ll go back to my original point. They valued Key Igawa more then Darvish since they bid more on him?

  92. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    If that’s true why even put in a bid

    ___

    This was already addressed. They put in a bid in case the other teams were tapped out or chose not to bid. This way, if he fell to them they still had a bid there…

  93. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Get used to it. The payroll will go down before it goes up. The privilege to play for the Yankees will bring in a different type of player, one who wants to win.

  94. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    They put in the bid just in case – that’s it. In their opinion, Darvish isn’t worth an over-the-top kind of deal

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    So in their opinion Key Igawa was the better pitcher since they bid more on him?
    ======

    No, Igawa was probably worth more to them at the time. The Yanks have a number of pitching prospects that are about to hit the Majors in the next year or two. Obviously, their preferences over time and their willingness to wait have changed somewhat since the Igawa bid.

  95. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    So I’ll go back to my original point. They valued Key Igawa more then Darvish since they bid more on him?

    __

    No, they realized the money they wasted on Igawa, and the money Boston wasted on Dice-BB showed that they needed to go in a different direction.

    My guess is that Texas will learn the same less Boston and the Yankees have.

  96. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    # Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    No, you shouldn’t put in a bid that exceeds your internal valuation of the item that you are bidding on

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    So I’ll go back to my original point. They valued Key Igawa more then Darvish since they bid more on him?

    ——————————————–

    The hype alone for Darvish is 30 million if the reports are true that they came in at 20-25 mil there was no way they were going to win the bidding.

  97. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Get used to it. The payroll will go down before it goes up. The privilege to play for the Yankees will bring in a different type of player, one who wants to win.

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    Then get used to most players not coming here. 99 percent of players sign for the money

  98. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    They put in the bid just in case – that’s it.

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    There was no way the Darvish bidding would be under 20 million. They knew that.

  99. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    So I’ll go back to my original point. They valued Key Igawa more then Darvish since they bid more on him?

    __

    No, they realized the money they wasted on Igawa, and the money Boston wasted on Dice-BB showed that they needed to go in a different direction.

    My guess is that Texas will learn the same less Boston and the Yankees have.
    ==

    Depending on Darvish’s final salary contract, it is going to be very hard for the Rangers to come out ahead on this one.

    It’s amazing how much money the Rangers seem to have all of a sudden.

  100. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Texas’ move was one of desperation.
    They already have solid pitching but it’s never enough to win it all.
    They are in search of an Ace.

  101. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    You are comparing Dice K to Igawa? Dice K had 2 decent seasons before he got hurt and he helped them to win a world series.

  102. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    They put in the bid just in case – that’s it.

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    There was no way the Darvish bidding would be under 20 million. They knew that.
    =====

    No. They didn’t. It was a sealed bid.

  103. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Then get used to most players not coming here. 99 percent of players sign for the money
    ==================================================
    We want the 1%.

  104. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Then get used to most players not coming here. 99 percent of players sign for the money

    ____

    That’s why we are building a farm system…

  105. RayVT December 20th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Actually, in hind sight I think the Yanks knee jerked after Dice-K more than they did for Darvish. I was hoping the Yanks would win the Darvish bid. I wonder why they didn’t go higher?

    Maybe it was being cheap or maybe they weren’t that high on Darvish. I have no idea.

  106. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Texas’ move was one of desperation.
    They already have solid pitching but it’s never enough to win it all.
    They are in search of an Ace.
    ============

    If this is so, I think that this is a lot of weoght to drop on Darvish’s shoulders. Matsui was just one of many–the Yanks never expected him to carry the Yanks.

  107. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    That’s why we are building a farm system…

    ———————————————

    We have been building one since 2005 and we are still looking for that number 2 starters.

  108. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    We want the 1%.

    The Yankees are the 1%

  109. Carlo December 20th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    I made the statement last year after they lost out on Cliff lee……the patience plan or “plan b” is the yankees way of saying “we are trimming payroll”. Since the 2010 trade deadline its been a get cliff lee or do nothing mentality and claim to be jammed up in every tarde negotiation and not have a need for free agents who would only arguably improve your team. This has been most notable in the pitching department where they have consistantly claimed that they dont have room to add guys……..which is odd considering 2-6 in the rotation were (last offseason) and are (now) all question marks.

  110. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    We have been building one since 2005 and we are still looking for that number 2 starters.
    ==================
    Nova!

  111. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    One thing I don’t see Darvish being is a bargain.

    He is gonna want Dice-K money and then some.

  112. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    # Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    They put in the bid just in case – that’s it.

    ——————————————————

    There was no way the Darvish bidding would be under 20 million. They knew that.
    =====

    No. They didn’t. It was a sealed bid.

    ————————————

    C’mon now this guy was hyped up as much if not more than Dice there was no way he would fall into their lap at that price range if the 20-25 report is true.

  113. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Occupy Yankee Stadium!

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock December 20th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    The Yanks need some drama, international panache ,
    Too boring….
    ////

    Boring?? To contemplate Montero in the lineup for a full season??

  115. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Occupy Yankee Stadium!

    I’m sure Steinbrenner would like that :)

  116. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    You are comparing Dice K to Igawa? Dice K had 2 decent seasons before he got hurt and he helped them to win a world series.

    ____

    He also has a 6 year contract which totalled more than 100M where Igawas was 4 and something like 40M after posting)

    Dice K was 15-12 with a 4.40 era in 2007…

    And he ‘helped’ them win a world series by being on a team that won yes….. i’d argue he didnt really HELP them as much as some of the other players.

    Guess you can say, Chien Ming Wang helped us win a WS in 2009 because he pitched in April.

  117. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Since when did Nova become a number 2 starter?

  118. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    And he ‘helped’ them win a world series by being on a team that won yes….. i’d argue he didnt really HELP them as much as some of the other players.

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    He won a world series game for them

  119. mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Since when did Nova become a number 2 starter?
    =================================
    Are you joking ?

  120. upstate kate December 20th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Does anyone really know what the Yankees bid? Or is this low bid idle speculation?

  121. Carlo December 20th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am
    Since when did Nova become a number 2 starter?

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    Its like the NBA…..even a terrible team has one “star” because he scores 20+ a game…..someone has to take the shots, right? Thats kind of how I view our #2 spot in the rotation…..someone has to be called “the #2 starter for the yankees”. Unfortunately, our #2 starter would be a #4 starter for most of the relevent competitors in the AL.

  122. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Since when did Nova become a number 2 starter?

    Since he was the number 2 starter in the playoffs :(

  123. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Since when did Nova become a number 2 starter?
    =================================
    Are you joking ?

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    are you? Number 3 starter but no way he is a number 2 unless he starts striking out more guys and gets better control

  124. 4 NYY December 20th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    With Soler we get young “energy” and a new Jorge in the Bronx. Could turn out to be better than any OFer’ we have in minors.

    Much younger that “Ces”ped”es for much less $$$.

  125. Hassey December 20th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Gluttonly will be the downfall of the Rangers. They’ll mortgage the future on a handful of guys now, in an effort to push them over the top…but it will be like an episode of Wipeout. Wait until Darvish pitches in Texas’ August heat – he’ll get rocked and he’ll hope to get enough run support to go 13-10, 4.50 ERA.

  126. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Nova is our #2 , don’t you have any patience?
    Look at the improvement he made last year.
    Don’t you think he can get even better?

  127. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    # Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    They put in the bid just in case – that’s it.

    ——————————————————

    There was no way the Darvish bidding would be under 20 million. They knew that.
    =====

    No. They didn’t. It was a sealed bid.

    ————————————

    C’mon now this guy was hyped up as much if not more than Dice there was no way he would fall into their lap at that price range if the 20-25 report is true.
    ====================

    Rumors swirled around, but nobody KNEW for sure. Like I said before, the Yanks doubtlessly bid based on their valuation of Darvish. If they valued Darvish’s negotiating rights at $26 million, it’s a hell of a lot smarter to bid $26 million for them, than nothing or $52 miilion. Bidding nothing means that they might have to see somebody win the rights to negotiate with Darvish at some value below $26 million; and bidding anything in excess of $26 million makes them losers the moment they “win” the bid.

  128. Carlo December 20th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:01 am
    Nova is our #2 , don?t you have any patience?
    Look at the improvement he made last year.
    Don?t you think he can get even better?

    ——————————

    Why does a #2 starter have to be the “improvement guy”. Guys who are improving on contending teams are supposed to be 3/4 starters.

  129. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Gluttonly will be the downfall of the Rangers.
    ============================
    Things are bigger in Texas.
    Their downside is much BIGGER than their upside at this point.

  130. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    he’ll get rocked and he’ll hope to get enough run support to go 13-10, 4.50 ERA.

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    He will win at least 15 games and have an ERA closer to the mid to high 3′s then what you posted. We could make a friendly wager if you like?

  131. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Guys don’t become Aces or #2′s overnite.

  132. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Since when did Nova become a number 2 starter?
    —————

    2011. You should have seen it; it was a lovely year! :P

  133. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Nova is our #2 , don’t you have any patience?
    Look at the improvement he made last year.
    Don’t you think he can get even better?

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    I said if he improves his K rate and control he could but you could say that for just about any pitcher. My point was that since 2005 when Cash got control until now they have not produced a number 2 guy in the rotation

  134. Carlo December 20th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:03 am
    Guys don?ft become Aces or #2??s overnite.

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    Right, hence why having your #2 be a guy who is still striving to reach his potential is not prudent when you are the NY Yankees. Nova would be awesome, as a 3rd of 4th starter in the 2012 rotation.

  135. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Like it or not, Nova is our #2 by default. Why do you think so many of us wanted Darvish and want Kuroda? We desperately need a #2

  136. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    2011. You should have seen it; it was a lovely year!

    ——————————————————-

    Really? then why were the Yanks looking at Ubaldo at the deadline? Why have they continued to look at number 2 guys in Gio if they already have one in Nova

  137. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Nova is our #2 , don’t you have any patience?
    Look at the improvement he made last year.
    Don’t you think he can get even better?

    ————————————————–

    I said if he improves his K rate and control he could but you could say that for just about any pitcher. My point was that since 2005 when Cash got control until now they have not produced a number 2 guy in the rotation
    ———–

    When Cash got control, the farm system had been left pretty barren.

  138. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Nova seems to have the capacity to learn unlike some other pitchers we have (AJ, Phil).
    He will only get better.

  139. DocTodd December 20th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Was waiting for the Post to weigh in with a ‘Yankees to Darvish…Eff Yu…’ headline.

  140. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    mick December 20th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    I can’t believe people in this blog call this team “boring”.
    ==================================
    They oughtta look in the mirror.

    ———————–

    :D I’ve missed ya, mick. Glad to see you back in the fold.

  141. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    This is a win for the Yankees in my opinion. There is no way the Yankees should be giving CC/Cliff Lee type money to a prospect who has never thrown one pitch in the major leagues. At this point, Darvish is no more or less of a prospect than Banuelos or Betances. The latter two are imminently cheaper, arguably have the same ceiling, and have far less pressure to perform on them. Sign somebody like Kuroda as a stopgap until they are ready, or if mid-rotation consistency over the long term is what they are after, sign Jackson. There also may be some good FA next year (if they don’t get extended by their current teams).

    The Yu hype is way, way overblown.

  142. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    When Cash got control, the farm system had been left pretty barren.

    —————————————————————–

    We agree but he is now going into his 8th draft season and we are still looking for that elusive number 2 guy.

    Tampa was able to find one in the 8th round

  143. filthy slider December 20th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Brian (small bucks) Cashman continues to build the Yankees into a small market team. George must be spinning in his grave. Hey Brian if you want a small market team ask Kansas City or Pittsburg for a job.

  144. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    NotHankStein That little nerd Cashman kept saying I don’t know what I should I spend on you? He must’ve got me in the secret Santa. #Yankees

  145. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    At this point, Darvish is no more or less of a prospect than Banuelos or Betances.

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    When did the 2 B’s put up the 5 seasons in a row that Darvish did?

  146. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    You have no idea what Nova will do this year. If he wins 20 will you change your tune? Is Kuroda a #2? I would give Nova a chance to be that guy. Right now there’s nobody out there worth what they’re asking.

  147. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    2011. You should have seen it; it was a lovely year!

    ——————————————————-

    Really? then why were the Yanks looking at Ubaldo at the deadline? Why have they continued to look at number 2 guys in Gio if they already have one in Nova
    ===============

    Did the Yanks GET UJ at the deadline? As for the other, Cashman is looking to improve the club when he can, but he isn’t willing to overpay for it.

    Obviously, there are question marks about Nova. However, the future looks quite promising for him, and the Yanks have a number of alternatives if he has a setback in 2012. Getting another strong pitcher spreads out the risk even more.

  148. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    When did the 2 B’s put up the 5 seasons in a row that Darvish did?
    ==============
    DaRVISH played in AAAA ball.

  149. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    NotHankStein That little nerd Cashman just asked me if I wanted the cubans. He’s definitely my secret Santa. Cigars make a wonderful gift!

  150. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    The bottom line is Cash is trying to build the team to have a 130 or so payroll. he is tired of hearing he has no skills and just writes a paycheck. That is what is really going on

  151. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    When Cash got control, the farm system had been left pretty barren.

    —————————————————————–

    We agree but he is now going into his 8th draft season and we are still looking for that elusive number 2 guy.

    Tampa was able to find one in the 8th round
    ==========

    There are about 5 guys in the system that are on the cusp.

  152. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    “When did the 2 B’s put up the 5 seasons in a row that Darvish did?”

    What he did in Japan hardly matters…..Igawa and Dice K were supposed to be the second coming as well.

  153. 108 stitches December 20th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    The Yankees placed a bid for Darvish believed to be between $20 million and $25 million, though they did so under the assumption that another team — likely the Rangers or Blue Jays — would bid nearly twice that much for Darvish’s rights.

    So, take $16.5MM of that bid money and pay half of Burnett’s remaining salary while sending him to Washington to be near his barn in Maryland.

  154. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    DaRVISH played in AAAA ball.

    —————————————

    Which is a hell of a lot better then single and double A ball

  155. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    AJ was supposed to be the #2. You never know what a pitcher will do in the spotlight of NY.
    Nova has cajones, let him be…

  156. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Cash is trying to get under $189 million payroll by like 2014 because it would save the team a TON of money.

  157. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    You have no idea what Nova will do this year. If he wins 20 will you change your tune? Is Kuroda a #2? I would give Nova a chance to be that guy. Right now there’s nobody out there worth what they’re asking

    —————————————————————————–

    Wins mean little to me. Wang might have been the Yankees “number 1″ guy but he was more of a 3

    Kuroda isn’t a number 2 either

  158. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    This is a win for the Yankees in my opinion. There is no way the Yankees should be giving CC/Cliff Lee type money to a prospect who has never thrown one pitch in the major leagues. At this point, Darvish is no more or less of a prospect than Banuelos or Betances. The latter two are imminently cheaper, arguably have the same ceiling, and have far less pressure to perform on them. Sign somebody like Kuroda as a stopgap until they are ready, or if mid-rotation consistency over the long term is what they are after, sign Jackson. There also may be some good FA next year (if they don’t get extended by their current teams).

    The Yu hype is way, way overblown.
    ===================

    Nice post. I would say that Darvish is a couple of clicks ahead of the B’s, but otherwise, I totally agree.

  159. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Cash is trying to get under $189 million payroll by like 2014 because it would save the team a TON of money.

    ————————————————————————–

    This is all speculative

  160. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    What he did in Japan hardly matters…..Igawa and Dice K were supposed to be the second coming as well.

    ———————————————————————-

    If it hardly matters then how did he get a 50 million dollar posting fee?

    Give me one source or link that said Igawa was the second coming

  161. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    “Wins mean little to me.”

    Maybe that’s the disconnnect here, because I’m pretty sure that Cashman is trying to win ballgames.

  162. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Wins mean little to me.
    ===============
    OK. Forget the 16 Nova got for us. Where would we be?

  163. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    There are about 5 guys in the system that are on the cusp.

    ——–

    Who?

  164. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Triple, I’ll repost the more pertinent part of my pos so that you can understand:

    “There is no way the Yankees should be giving CC/Cliff Lee type money to a prospect who has never thrown one pitch in the major leagues.”

    If I’m going to spend 125 million, I’d rather do it on CC, Lee, Hamels, Cain or other guys who have a record of actually performing.

  165. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Who are these 5 pitchers on the cusp of being number 2 guys?

  166. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    This is all speculative

    No, it’s not.

    The money the Yankees save through doing this is real. Even if they get under 189 for ONE season they save tens of millions.

  167. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank December 20th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Erin,
    Yes, free Hank!

    And yes Mick, this team is boring this off season, they’ve done nothing, isn’t that the definition of boring.

    Love the team, hate the boring off season.

    Atypical for the Yanks, I can appreciate the intentions of cash, but yes, it’s boring at this point. And I don’t wanna watch sweaty Freddy for 40 starts.

  168. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Who was the big #2 on the Cards and Texas last year?

  169. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Tuffy Rhodes= Japan legend.

    ‘Nuff said.

  170. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Maybe that’s the disconnnect here, because I’m pretty sure that Cashman is trying to win ballgames.

    Team wins.. I doubt he cares much about Pitcher wins, it’s a meaningless statistic

  171. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    A Theory

    I have no way to back this up; no report I can turn to that spells this out – it is just a personal belief.

    I think a great deal of what you’re seeing with the Yankees over these last couple of years has to do with Cashman’s ego.

    As the years have gone on I get the impression he is tired, if not outright resentful, of maybe not being viewed as a great GM, but simply as the GM of the best team money can buy. He might hear the whispers that we hear – that Steinbrenner money has covered up a lot of mistakes over the years and that any GM given those same resources would be as, if not more, successful than Brian.

    With George being gone and the onus on having the back page every day and having the biggest and best toys no longer at the forefront, I think Cashman is trying to prove to his critics, if not himself, that he can build through the farm. He can nickel and dime his way through free agency focusing on reclaimation projects (Garcia) rather than stars (Darvish).

    Of course, the thing to remember is that when a star that he thought could make a major difference was available (Cliff Lee) he did make every effort to sign him. I just don’t think that Cashman is going to make moves any more for the sake of making a big splash and if the team wants to go over his head and do so (Soriano) then that’s their choice, but he wants to be known as a great GM, not the GM with the biggest wallet.

    Again, just a theory.

  172. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    NotHankStein Everyone claiming Hal & I don’t spend like Dad are just wrong. We just spend it on broads instead of musclebound pituitary cases. #Yankees

  173. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    To be fair to Cashman, 25-30% of his payroll is tied up in players he didn’t even negotiate the contract for.

  174. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    What would have made this offseason less boring?

  175. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    NotHankStein After watching Swisher, Arod & Texeira hit like Timmy Lupus in ALDS I’ve turned my attention to XFactor. Team Melanie! What a pair of lungs.

  176. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Bobby V=Japan Legend.
    Boston has him.
    “Nuff said.

  177. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Triple short of a cycle aka One french fry short of a happy meal.

    Tampa has had the priviledge of higher draft picks then the Yankees in recent years.

  178. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Our #2 last year was by committee and we still won more than 90 games… maybe the #2 starter is an over-hyped position like the closer ;)

  179. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:11 am
    The bottom line is Cash is trying to build the team to have a 130 or so payroll. he is tired of hearing he has no skills and just writes a paycheck. That is what is really going on

    —————

    I agree to a point – like I said above – when there was a free agent that Cashman thought would really upgrade the team he went hard after him last year (Lee) I just don’t think he has seen that guy this year and with George gone he’s not as likely to deplete his pride and joy in the farm system.

    He’s traded four really good prospects the last few years (Tabata, Kennedy & Jackson, and Vizciano) only one of those trades has worked out for the Yankees at all.

  180. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank December 20th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    “What would have made this offseason less boring?”

    Agreed, not many choices,,, thats why getting Yu would count as exciting in my book, it wouldn’t in yours?

  181. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Some used to say the Yanks in their winning years (before 1996) were boring.
    Some even said the ’98 Yanks were boring.
    If it’s entertainment you want go see a Broadway show.

  182. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Chip-

    I agree with your post. I think he also realizes that the last great Yankee dynasty was built mostly from within—Bernie, Mo, Andy, Jete, Posada. Yes there were some meaningful acquisitions–Cone, Paulie, Tino–but the core was bulit within the organization. Cash simply sees that and I believe he is trying to repeat that process by holding onto guys like Banuelos, Montero, Betances, etc.

    Too many yankee fans want knee-jerk moves made.

  183. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Bobby V=Japan Legend.
    Boston has him.
    “Nuff said.

    They are the odds on favorite to win the NPB championship next year! Which puts them just as close to the world series as they were last year :)

  184. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 11:21 am
    Our #2 last year was by committee and we still won more than 90 games… maybe the #2 starter is an over-hyped position like the closer
    ————

    Having a lock down #2 starter only really matters in the playoffs – the rest of the time the rotation can be so scrambled by off days and rain outs that the guy who follows your “ace” might not even be your third best starting pitcher.

  185. Don December 20th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    This may be a year that we don’t reach the playoffs. Sorry to be pessimistic but I don’t have confidence in the starting pitching.

  186. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank December 20th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Not financially prudent, but that not my arguement

  187. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Tampa has had the priviledge of higher draft picks then the Yankees in recent years.

    ——————————————————-

    Moore was drafted in the 8th round and Helickson I believe was drafted in the 13th

  188. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    acquiring Yu would be about as exciting this off-season as the off season we acquired Irabu and Igawa.

  189. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    “This may be a year that we don’t reach the playoffs. Sorry to be pessimistic but I don’t have confidence in the starting pitching.”

    Because the 97 wins last year were an illusion? The staff will be better this year than it was last year. The offseason is not over yet.

  190. 86w183 December 20th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    All this # 2 and # 3 talk is just absurd. Guys don’t come with labels. They pitch as they pitch.

    The Yanks were eliminated from the post-season because they didn’t HIT! They pitched well enough to advance and actually outscored the Tigers, but in the three losses they failed miserably in almost every clutch situation.

    The Yanks will again have the highest payroll in baseball in 2012 and chances are that’ll be true in 2013 and 2014 and beyond. Criticizing Cashman over money is the height of stupidity because:

    A — it’s completely untrue

    B — he doesn’t set the payroll

  191. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    And Robertson, Joba, Betances, Melanson came from one draft.

  192. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank December 20th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    I’m talking offseason hot stove, not the team, other than Garcia as being boring,,

  193. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Who was the big #2 on the Cards and Texas last year?

    —————————————————-

    Texas didn’t have one which is why they signed Darvish and the Cards was Carpenter but he became the ace when Wainwright went down

  194. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    A Theory

    I have no way to back this up; no report I can turn to that spells this out – it is just a personal belief.

    I think a great deal of what you’re seeing with the Yankees over these last couple of years has to do with Cashman’s ego.

    As the years have gone on I get the impression he is tired, if not outright resentful, of maybe not being viewed as a great GM, but simply as the GM of the best team money can buy. He might hear the whispers that we hear – that Steinbrenner money has covered up a lot of mistakes over the years and that any GM given those same resources would be as, if not more, successful than Brian.

    With George being gone and the onus on having the back page every day and having the biggest and best toys no longer at the forefront, I think Cashman is trying to prove to his critics, if not himself, that he can build through the farm. He can nickel and dime his way through free agency focusing on reclaimation projects (Garcia) rather than stars (Darvish).

    Of course, the thing to remember is that when a star that he thought could make a major difference was available (Cliff Lee) he did make every effort to sign him. I just don’t think that Cashman is going to make moves any more for the sake of making a big splash and if the team wants to go over his head and do so (Soriano) then that’s their choice, but he wants to be known as a great GM, not the GM with the biggest wallet.

    Again, just a theory.
    =============

    I think that this theory explains alot. I think the rest of it is simply the realization that spending tons of money on free agency often just isn’t worth it. Does anybody think that Werth is worth (no pun intended) what he got last year? How about Crawford?

    Cashman has demonstrated that he is willing to go for the big-money contracts only if they are truly exceptional performers (Sabathia, Lee). I would consider the AJ and ARod deals the only aberrations to this general pattern. AJ was obviously Cashman’s mistake, and I think that ARod’s contract extension was Hal’s mistake.

  195. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    With the extra wild card it’s basically impossible for the to miss the playoffs.

  196. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    86w183 December 20th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    All this # 2 and # 3 talk is just absurd. Guys don’t come with labels. They pitch as they pitch.

    The Yanks were eliminated from the post-season because they didn’t HIT! They pitched well enough to advance and actually outscored the Tigers, but in the three losses they failed miserably in almost every clutch situation.

    The Yanks will again have the highest payroll in baseball in 2012 and chances are that’ll be true in 2013 and 2014 and beyond. Criticizing Cashman over money is the height of stupidity because:

    A — it’s completely untrue

    B — he doesn’t set the payroll
    ======

    QFT

  197. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Eff Yu, forget about him, it’s their crapshoot.
    We have a HOF IF. That’s where our money went.
    The future’s so bright I will have to wear shades…

  198. RayVT December 20th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    The Yanks don’t have a real #2 or really #3 right now. Nova or Hughes could end up being a #2 or #3 as both have potential and have shown a lot of promise. AJ could still be a #2 or #3 as well, although it isn’t promising.

    When the Yanks really need a #2 or #3 around the end of August, they very well could have several of them. Hughes, Nova, Noesi, Banuelous, Betances, Mitchell, Phelps or a Veteran acquired by a trade. Perhaps even Joba will get a shot at starting again. In this regard, patience might really pay big dividends. Then again, a slump to start the season may cause an avalanche of bad decisions!

  199. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    The staff will be better this year than it was last year. The offseason is not over yet.

    ——————————————————————

    Other then Hughes having a better year you are counting on Garcia duplicating and them finding someone to duplicate Colon’s numbers? and also no regression by Nova?

  200. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank December 20th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    RhapsodyInBlue says:
    December 20, 2011 at 11:24 am
    acquiring Yu would be about as exciting this off-season as the off season we acquired Irabu and Igawa.””

    You’re telling me they were scouted and hyped as much as Yu? I think not,,, and yes, people were excited at the prospect of even them

  201. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:23 am
    Chip-

    I agree with your post. I think he also realizes that the last great Yankee dynasty was built mostly from within—Bernie, Mo, Andy, Jete, Posada. Yes there were some meaningful acquisitions–Cone, Paulie, Tino–but the core was bulit within the organization. Cash simply sees that and I believe he is trying to repeat that process by holding onto guys like Banuelos, Montero, Betances, etc.

    Too many yankee fans want knee-jerk moves made.
    ——————-

    That’s because I think there is a majority of posters who joined the Yankee bandwagon in the late 90′s and got used to winning the winter as much as winning the fall.

  202. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Texas didn’t have one which is why they signed Darvish and the Cards was Carpenter but he became the ace when Wainwright went down
    ===============
    Exactly my point.
    They both got there without one.

  203. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank

    What you’re talking is nonsense.

    The risk wasn’t worth the money and immediate gratification not worth the long term cost.

    The Yankees are 0-2 on Japanese pitchers. The last great import was Dice-K.

  204. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Chip,

    I disagree with your theory but I have one of my own. I think Hal isn’t like his father; for him it’s not “win at all costs”. With the new CBA the amount of money the team would save by getting under the luxury tax threshold is enormous and I think Hal is putting some pressure on Cash to get the team there by 2014. By reducing the payroll by ~$15 million the team could save up to $65 million a year.

    That’s not to say that I think Hal is being stingy, I think he would spend big money on a player that Cashman really believed in. I just don’t think Cash sees anyone on the market this offseason as a slam dunk. So he’s being conservative with his prospects and staying patient until a player becomes available that he feels strongly about (Cole Hamels next offseason).

  205. ron December 20th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Most teams are not going to sit at the lux tax limit,so the yankees still have an advantage over almost the whole league,because they can sit right at the limit.

    They also should not try to have a lower payroll than anybody else,just try to get just under the lt.

  206. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    With the extra wild card it’s basically impossible for the to miss the playoffs.

    ——————————————————————————-

    Tampa,Boston,Yanks,Texas,Angels will be fighting for 4 spots. I don’t think it is impossible for the Yanks to miss the playoffs

  207. PittsburghYankeeFan December 20th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Nova looked pretty good last year. Noesi supposedly is better. The rest of the AAA rotation is stacked. I think they are OK. Maybe kick the tires on Kuroda for a one year deal.

    A backloaded deal for Cespedes sounds reasonable if they are really that interested. Gives some flexibility for 2013, since they don’t have a lot of outfield AA and AAA talent just yet (yes they have some at A).

    Yankees issues are two:

    (1) Rotation behind CC. They need the emergence of Nova/Hughes as dominant forces. If they get that, all of this talk above is meaningless, and they have saved about $120 million total, and $12-13 million in AAV. Which is the bigger risk: signing Yu, or having Nova/Hughes dominate? I’d say the risks are equal, and the Hughes/Nova route gives you more options. The insurance of AJ and Garcia is not enough, I agree. That’s why you get Kuroda, or you wait until July to see what you have, and then make a deal.

    (2) Aging infield. ARod and Jeter have maybe 2-3 years left at best. Who replaces them? That’s what the pitching and catching depth in the minors is for–a trade. But as long as these two still perform, the trade is not needed.

    Yanks still have an excellent team.

    Fielder? Montero for about $160 million more.

    Gio? Hughes for 4 of your AAA team.

  208. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Let’s not forget the hype surrounding both Irabu (The Japanese Roger Clemens), Dice-K’s gyro-ball.

    Too funny. Foo me once.

  209. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Chip – That’s basically my point.. people can scream about not having a #2 all they want but I’m always more comfortable waiting for the ASB before evaluating my team. You have no idea what state the rotation will be at that point or who might become available from other clubs.

    And still… the one thing I can’t help but be excited about is watching Montero for a full season!! I can’t believe we’ll finally be watching him daily instead of just talking about him.

  210. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    That’s why you get Kuroda, or you wait until July to see what you have, and then make a deal.

    —————————————————————–

    When was the last time the Yanks got a starting pitcher at the deadline?

  211. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank December 20th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Arods contract so far statistic wise isn’t horrible… Moving forward will be the decision maker. It became tainted w roid admission which took all the shine off the long term goals of hits HRs etc that ruined it.

  212. 4 NYY December 20th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Will Yanks go after Rivero, the Cuban pitcher ?

  213. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Hal and Cash are a team.
    Hank=George.

  214. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    When was the last time there was a pitcher available at the deadline that was worth the long term investment in money or prospects?

  215. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    When was the last time there was a pitcher available at the deadline that was worth the long term investment in money or prospects?

    ——————————————————————–

    2 years ago. Cliff Lee and Dan Haren

  216. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    (2) Aging infield. ARod and Jeter have maybe 2-3 years left at best. Who replaces them? That’s what the pitching and catching depth in the minors is for–a trade. But as long as these two still perform, the trade is not needed.e-jerk moves made.
    ================

    I think that the tough decisions are coming. Not getting heavily invested in an unknown factor like Darvish was an easy call. I think that part of what Cashman may be doing is getting ready for the transition that must come on the left side of the infield.

  217. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    When was the last time there was a pitcher available at the deadline that was worth the long term investment in money or prospects?

    Dan Haren

  218. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    When was the last time there was a pitcher available at the deadline that was worth the long term investment in money or prospects?

    ——————————————————————–

    2 years ago. Cliff Lee and Dan Haren
    ===========

    He got stiffed on Lee, and for whatever reason didn’t want to trade for Haren.

  219. Hassey December 20th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Triple – OK, it’s a gentleman’s bet.

    I say 13-10 4.50 ERA for Yu
    You say 15+ wins and an ERA closer to the mid to high 3?s

    Talk to Yu about it in October!

  220. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Yankees are not desperate they do not have to force a trade or make rash decisions, they have the pieces to make a trade when a good opportunity presents itself.

    Opportunities will be there from now until the trade deadline of 2012. Besides the young folks who could contribute.

    The Yankees right now are in the strongest position as a team both at the MLB and farm level then they’ve have been in a very long time.

  221. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Tampa,Boston,Yanks,Texas,Angels will be fighting for 4 spots. I don’t think it is impossible for the Yanks to miss the playoffs
    ===================
    Boston has no closer and an iffy staff.

  222. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Yeah like there was no attempt to acquire Lee.

    That’s just stupid.

  223. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    It’s not impossible for the Yankees to miss the playoffs but they remain the best team in the AL. Doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a playoff spot, but it does mean they have the highest probability of making the playoffs.

  224. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Texas replaces Wilson with Darvish.

    There are no guarantees there.

    Rolling the dice.

  225. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:29 am
    Chip,

    I disagree with your theory but I have one of my own. I think Hal isn’t like his father; for him it’s not “win at all costs”. With the new CBA the amount of money the team would save by getting under the luxury tax threshold is enormous and I think Hal is putting some pressure on Cash to get the team there by 2014. By reducing the payroll by ~$15 million the team could save up to $65 million a year.

    That’s not to say that I think Hal is being stingy, I think he would spend big money on a player that Cashman really believed in. I just don’t think Cash sees anyone on the market this offseason as a slam dunk. So he’s being conservative with his prospects and staying patient until a player becomes available that he feels strongly about (Cole Hamels next offseason).

    —————

    I agree with that too – but also to a point. I think Hal is still trying to decide just who he wants to be as the owner of the Yankees.

    Remember, Hal greenlit the Soriano move that Cashman was opposed to because Randy Levine thought they needed to make a high profile move last year after losing out on Cliff Lee, the public spitting match over the Jeter contract and watching Boston bring in everyone.

    I also think that Brian (rightly or wrongly) is looking at the same lists we have and seeing that next winter could have the best crop of free agent talent available since 2008 and is drooling at the possibility of running out a rotation of:

    CC
    Greinke or Hamels or Danks or…or…or
    Banuelos
    Nova
    Betances

    with a guy like Josh Hamilton or Michael Bourne or Andre Ethier in the lineup.

  226. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I’m going to lmao if this Darvish is a total bust.

    It’ll be a great summer.

  227. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    It’s not impossible for the Yankees to miss the playoffs but they remain the best team in the AL. Doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a playoff spot, but it does mean they have the highest probability of making the playoffs.
    =======================

    94 wins will be enough to earn the wild card slot, and I think that the Yanks are good enough right now to get at least 94 wins in 2012.

    I would fell alot better about the Yanks moved AJ, and either got Kuroda or let the kids fight it out for the fifth slot in the rotation.

  228. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    This mentality of winning it all or nothing is a burden.
    How do you get thru a season?
    Sure, I want to win EVERY game but it’s not realistic.
    You would think this mentality would be coming from the older fans but I get the feeling it’s coming from the 1996 and on crowd.
    Take my advice: perfection is a downer.

  229. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Betances, Banuelos, Phelps, Mitchell, Warren. At least two, if not three of those guys will develop into solid MLB starters. The B’s may even become stars…..the pitching woes are overstated. We have CC and a lot of flexibility with young starters, whether they hold some of them, all of them or move them for more veterans.

    Ghost is right—the infield will take more attention in the coming years. The first priority is locking up Cano, forever.

  230. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I’m going to lmao if this Darvish is a total bust.

    It’ll be a great summer.
    =

    Me too. I hate to admit it, but I’m kind of pulling for it now.

  231. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Gee I wonder why the Sox didn’t go all in for him?

  232. blake December 20th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Just heard this…..Yu is going to change his name to Y’all Darvish after Texas winning the bid

  233. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Y’all or Yeehaw?

  234. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Actually, I’d like to see Darvish have a great regular season, help keep Pujols out of the playoffs, and then get smacked around by us in the playoffs.

  235. mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Yu is going to change his name to Y’all Darvish
    ============
    Eff Y’all…I’m out, it’s been your pleasure, no boredom here…

  236. Jacques Strappe December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    I always thought Igawa’s posting fee could be considered “tuition”.

    If Darvish had come here and he went 14-9 then most of the posts regarding him would call about $52MM a waste of money.

    Yanks already did well by themselves with the posting fee they paid for the pre-injury Matsui. How much was his posting fee? Or did he just wait until he became an outright free agent? I really don’t remember. I’m more intereted as to how the Yanks’ Darvish bid compares to Matsui’s (if there was one) than Igawa’s.

  237. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    mick December 20th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    This mentality of winning it all or nothing is a burden.
    How do you get thru a season?
    Sure, I want to win EVERY game but it’s not realistic.

    ========
    It’s more that: It shows that not every loss is a major setback. Generally speaking, how you bounce back from a loss is more important than the fact that you lost.

    In ’97 Rivera blew the series against the Tribe. Was that the end of Rivera? No, it was just the end of the beginning (or big inning, at any rate). The best was still to come.

  238. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Not to change the topic.. but have you guys seen these inflatable baby Jesus outdoor decorations lol?

    http://www.goingjesus.com/img/inflatenativity.jpg

  239. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    I highly doubt Cashman goes hard after Hamilton, Bourn or Ethier.

    Bourn is basically Brett Gardner that gets paid more.

    Ethier can’t field worth a crap and has had injury problems in recent years.

    Hamilton is great but he can’t stay healthy at all. And he’s old, a long term deal doesn’t look good for him.

    I think Cash will sign one of the Cuban outfielders this offseason then maybe re-sign Swisher

  240. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    People actually think that Phelps, Mitchell, and Warren are going to get starts with the Yankees?

  241. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    The first priority is locking up Cano, forever.

    —————————————————–

    That is going to be another albatross of a contract. He will prob be looking for a 7 year deal at like 20 a year. He will be 30 at that point and on the downside. Looks like Tex and Arod all over again

  242. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Are you the Jacques Strappe who posts on the BDC site?

  243. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    blake December 20th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Just heard this…..Yu is going to change his name to Y’all Darvish after Texas winning the bid
    ===
    :ol: Clever! I’ll bet that somebody makes a commercial that makes a similar play on his name, but this is the best one that I’ve heard so far.

  244. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle

    Are you blood relations with Debbie Downer?

  245. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    “That is going to be another albatross of a contract. He will prob be looking for a 7 year deal at like 20 a year. He will be 30 at that point and on the downside. Looks like Tex and Arod all over again”

    Yu’ve got to be kidding me.

  246. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Not to change the topic.. but have you guys seen these inflatable baby Jesus outdoor decorations lol?

    http://www.goingjesus.com/img/inflatenativity.jpg
    ==========

    I have one in my bedroom. What’s your point?

  247. blake December 20th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    “I think Cash will sign one of the Cuban outfielders this offseason then maybe re-sign Swisher”

    Swish is gonna want to get paid next winter……they really don’t want to get into a spot where they NEED to re-sign him because nobody gives the Yankees a discount. It’ll take at least 4/50 to bring him back Id want zero part of that.

  248. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    The first priority is locking up Cano, forever.

    —————————————————–

    That is going to be another albatross of a contract. He will prob be looking for a 7 year deal at like 20 a year. He will be 30 at that point and on the downside. Looks like Tex and Arod all over again
    ==============

    You’re just a little ray of sunshine today, aren’t you? :)

  249. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    TheStraw,

    He has got Boras as his agent now. What do you think he is going to be looking for?

  250. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    You’re just a little ray of sunshine today, aren’t you?

    ——————————————————–

    The Darvish thing has made me a little pissy

  251. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am
    Not to change the topic.. but have you guys seen these inflatable baby Jesus outdoor decorations lol?

    http://www.goingjesus.com/img/inflatenativity.jpg

    **************************

    :lol:

    That has to be one of the tackiest things I’ve ever seen

  252. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle is a regular Mr. Happy Face.

  253. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    blake,

    Swisher won’t get 4/50 .. he’ll get like Cuddyer money

  254. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am
    I highly doubt Cashman goes hard after Hamilton, Bourn or Ethier.

    Bourn is basically Brett Gardner that gets paid more.

    Ethier can’t field worth a crap and has had injury problems in recent years.

    Hamilton is great but he can’t stay healthy at all. And he’s old, a long term deal doesn’t look good for him.

    I think Cash will sign one of the Cuban outfielders this offseason then maybe re-sign Swisher

    —————

    I agree with Blake – Swisher is going to be looking for a Werth type payday next winter and I can’t see the Yankees going there for him.

    More likely they sign the Melk Man ;-)

  255. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Triple,

    It’ll be fine. Just think how good it will feel to gut the Rangers next fall, after hearing all year how they’re the team to beat…

  256. TheStraw December 20th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Whatever it is, they should pay him. He is quite simply, the best middle infielder in MLB and is on his way to the HOF. He is Jeter’s successor as team icon and to lose him to any other team would be a blunder of the worst magnitude.

  257. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I’m going to lmao if this Darvish is a total bust.

    It’ll be a great summer.

    ————————–

    And if he’s not what are you going to say?

  258. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    “The first priority is locking up Cano, forever.”

    Lock him up for 10 years after this season.

  259. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    The odds are in my favor.

  260. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am
    I highly doubt Cashman goes hard after Hamilton, Bourn or Ethier.

    Bourn is basically Brett Gardner that gets paid more.

    Ethier can’t field worth a crap and has had injury problems in recent years.

    Hamilton is great but he can’t stay healthy at all. And he’s old, a long term deal doesn’t look good for him.

    I think Cash will sign one of the Cuban outfielders this offseason then maybe re-sign Swisher

    —————

    I agree with Blake – Swisher is going to be looking for a Werth type payday next winter and I can’t see the Yankees going there for him.

    ============

    I think what Cuddyer or Kubel got is more appropriate, absent Swisher winning the WS MVP.

  261. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    But then you’re against all odds.

  262. blake December 20th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    “Swisher won’t get 4/50 .. he’ll get like Cuddyer money”

    I disagree because he’s better than Cuddyer and also because the Yankees ALWAYS have to over pay to keep their own….

  263. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    - Brick-a-Brack Dscovered While Rummaging Through Cashman’s Desk -

    (1) Funk and Wagnall Dictionary – Words “Patience” and “Suicide” highlighted.

    (2) “8″ X “10″ Glossy of Hal – Red X slashed across it.

    (3) (5) Bottles of Extra Strength Excedrin – ALL empty

    (4) DVD of Barry Mannilow, “LIVE IN VEGAS”

    (5) Farrah Fawcett Poster

    (6) Large Bottle of Pepto Bismol – EMPTY

    (7) Paperback Book – “Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex………………”.

  264. CB December 20th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    The Yankees are going to make a major run at Cole Hamels if he’s available.

    The yankees have changed their business model. They will spend enormous amounts of money – they showed that when the signed CC, Tex and AJ.

    But they are only going to spend big if a premium talent is available.

    They clearly thought Darvish had too much uncertainty to be considered that kind of premium talent.

    And they are correct on that evaluation. Now Darvish may go on to be a star – but right now – Texas will be paying an enormous amount to take on significant risk.

    That’s generally not a smart way to do business. It may work for them – but that’s not the kind of situation you want to get into.

    Now the problem is – it’s just very difficult to find premium talents available. This is why the Yankees were so focused on Cliff Lee.

    If those premium talents aren’t available or can’t be had then the Yanks will move onto play B. Which is generally built around using the farm system and signing guys who are comparatively undervalued.

    Overspending just to take on major risk or to get second/third rung guys like Gonzalez just doesn’t make sense.

    Sign Kuroda. I think they are going to try everything to trade AJ. Sign Jones. Look for a cheap lefty. If Soler can be had for an appropriate deal-ok.

    There’s nothing wrong with that winter.

    And hope for the best for next winter. Because if the Yanks can get Hamels – they have the foundation for something very special.

  265. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    But then you’re against all odds.

    ——————————-

    Nothing wrong with that

  266. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    I don’t blame the Rangers for going all in on Darvish.

    They’ve lost their best pitcher now two years in a row, and were currently resting an awful lot on Neftali Feliz going from reliever to starter.

  267. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Thank you CB.

  268. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I’m going to lmao if this Darvish is a total bust.

    It’ll be a great summer.

    ————————–

    And if he’s not what are you going to say?
    ==================

    The same thing that I’m saying now: He’s not worth the risk, and we’ve got several young pitching prospects that we’re about to see come to fruition.

    Don’t forget: To be worth $100+ million, Darvish is going to have to be very, very good for the next 5 years. We’ll need at least three years to see if this was a good moment for the Rangers or their undoing.

  269. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    And hope for the best for next winter. Because if the Yanks can get Hamels – they have the foundation for something very special.

    —————————–

    And if they don’t get Hamels….what’s the next move? This isn’t shot at you but many of us had Kemp in the OF for 2013.

  270. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:56 am
    Chip December 20th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am
    I highly doubt Cashman goes hard after Hamilton, Bourn or Ethier.

    Bourn is basically Brett Gardner that gets paid more.

    Ethier can’t field worth a crap and has had injury problems in recent years.

    Hamilton is great but he can’t stay healthy at all. And he’s old, a long term deal doesn’t look good for him.

    I think Cash will sign one of the Cuban outfielders this offseason then maybe re-sign Swisher

    —————

    I agree with Blake – Swisher is going to be looking for a Werth type payday next winter and I can’t see the Yankees going there for him.

    ============

    I think what Cuddyer or Kubel got is more appropriate, absent Swisher winning the WS MVP.

    —————

    While I agree with you that what Cuddyer or Willingham got is more in line with what Swisher should get I’m a firm believer in the One Dumb Owner philosophy and if you look at his numbers compared to Werth’s at the time he hit free agency they’re quite similar.

  271. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    ===========

    I’m curious: Did you used to post on the NYDN blog? Your style seems familiar to me.

  272. dogface December 20th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    But they are only going to spend big if a premium talent is available

    =============================

    Well, premium talent and AJ Burnett.

  273. PittsburghYankeeFan December 20th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    I really didn’t think Texas would go for Yu. They have other issues to deal with. It now makes sense that they didn’t offer Wilson a 5 year deal.

    That being said, maybe the Yu deal breaks down over the number of years, and not the AAV? Think Nolan Ryan will be willing to give a 5 year deal to a relative unknown?

  274. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
    And hope for the best for next winter. Because if the Yanks can get Hamels – they have the foundation for something very special.

    —————————–

    And if they don’t get Hamels….what’s the next move? This isn’t shot at you but many of us had Kemp in the OF for 2013.

    ————-

    Danks
    Greinke
    Marcum

    It may not look this way come next November, but as of right now the talent pool of available pitchers is a whole lot deeper than it is this winter.

  275. dogface December 20th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Ethier can’t field worth a crap and has had injury problems in recent years.

    ================

    Swisher is a better player than Ethier.

  276. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I’m going to lmao if this Darvish is a total bust.

    It’ll be a great summer.

    ————————–

    And if he’s not what are you going to say?
    ==================

    The same thing that I’m saying now: He’s not worth the risk, and we’ve got several young pitching prospects that we’re about to see come to fruition.
    ———————————

    Do you trust the Yankees to handle these next batch of kids properly?

  277. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am
    ===

    BTW, I was kidding before…

  278. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    From Rumors R Us :

    “Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. expects to discuss a possible extension with left-hander Cole Hamels at some point this offseason, according to Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer. Here are more notes on Hamels and the Phillies via Zach Berman of the Philadelphia Daily News:
    •”I have got no indication that Cole wants to go anywhere and I think Cole knows we want to keep him,” Amaro said, according to Berman. Hamels, 27, posted a 2.79 ERA with 8.1 K/9, 1.8 BB/9 and a 52.3% ground ball rate in 215 innings this past season. The John Boggs & Associates client is set to hit free agency after the 2012 season (MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects a $14MM salary for Hamels in his final season of arbitration eligibility).”

    :(

  279. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Against All Odds

    I don’t see the reason for the all your pessimism considering the postion the Yankees have put themselves into with very attractive prospects to give up when something becomes available.

    I’ve been following the game long enoguh to know that something worthwhile eventually will.

    More then likely sooner then later.

  280. dogface December 20th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    While I agree with you that what Cuddyer or Willingham got is more in line with what Swisher should get

    ==============================

    Swisher should get more. He’s been a better overall player than both.

  281. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Werth was significantly better than Swisher at the time of his contract, I don’t see why you would think Nick could get that kind of money…

  282. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    dogface December 20th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    While I agree with you that what Cuddyer or Willingham got is more in line with what Swisher should get

    ==============================

    Swisher should get more. He’s been a better overall player than both.
    =========

    Not by much. He’s not Werth or Crawford.

  283. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    =====

    Great minds…

  284. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    CB spittin the truth LIKE ALWAYS

  285. ron December 20th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    As long as you have an ace,wich we do in cc,and other pitchers that can just keep us in games,we are going to win a ton of games.

    Nova,hughes,etc..,have proven they can do that.
    Hughes should get better also.

    Our offense is at worst,3rd in the league,maybe first or 2nd.

    I can honestly see nova & hughes going up against a lot of tough number 2 pitchers.

    When a player move,trade,free agent,makes sense,we should be ready to act.
    This is what i think cashman & co are waiting for.

    A hamels,cain,etc…,makes us better,without a doubt.
    Over 100 million on darvish,over 6 years is a huge risk.

    He will have to post a 3.5 era to even consider it an ok deal.

  286. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    # Chip December 20th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
    And hope for the best for next winter. Because if the Yanks can get Hamels – they have the foundation for something very special.

    —————————–

    And if they don’t get Hamels….what’s the next move? This isn’t shot at you but many of us had Kemp in the OF for 2013.

    ————-

    Danks
    Greinke
    Marcum

    It may not look this way come next November, but as of right now the talent pool of available pitchers is a whole lot deeper than it is this winter.

    ———————

    A couple of yrs ago the free agent class was suppose to be Doc, Lee, Verlaner, Beckett, and Cain. We can’t get our hopes up that those guys will hit the market. Pitching is getting locked up more than ever.

  287. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    In all fairness to those in the “keepin the christ in christmas” crowd.. they never mentioned keeping tacky out of it – right, Erin?

    Ghost – Where do you sleep?!

    And..

    “I’m curious: Did you used to post on the NYDN blog? Your style seems familiar to me.

    ..I think so too.

  288. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Exactly ron.

    Time is on our side.

  289. blake December 20th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    CB,

    Would you agree that Cespedes at Chapman money could be a worthwhile risk? I know the hit tool is impossible to evaluate and project from Cuba ……..but he does have some serious ability elsewhere. Id be interested at that price just as a gamble…..and Id sign Soler to a minor league deal regardless.

  290. RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    The Yankees are just laying the weeds keeping their powder dry waiting for the right momento.

  291. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I’m going to lmao if this Darvish is a total bust.

    It’ll be a great summer.

    ————————–

    And if he’s not what are you going to say?
    ==================

    The same thing that I’m saying now: He’s not worth the risk, and we’ve got several young pitching prospects that we’re about to see come to fruition.
    ———————————

    Do you trust the Yankees to handle these next batch of kids properly?
    ====================

    No my plan is stage a revolution, and seize control of the Yankee empire (insert diabolical evil laugh). :)

    What do you want? Are you actually expecting guarantees?
    The Ranger got Lee, did they win the WS? No.
    The Philles got Lee did they win the WS? No
    The Indians got UJ. What did they win?
    What about Haren, Crawford, etc., etc, etc.

  292. blake December 20th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    “Werth was significantly better than Swisher at the time of his contract, I don’t see why you would think Nick could get that kind of money…”

    Eh not really…..I don’t think he will get Werth money……but can’t see him signing back with the Yanks for what Cuddyer got either.

  293. blake December 20th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    As I said earlier…..I think the Yankees should plan as though Hamels wont be available and then if he is they should bend the freaking budget like they talk about for special talent.

  294. dogface December 20th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Not by much. He’s not Werth or Crawford

    ==================

    He’s not, but he’s not Cuddyer or Willingham either.

    He’s not out of line seeking something like 4/$48M to get him thru his age 35 season. Guy always plays 150 and has been a very consistent producer.

  295. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Against All Odds

    I don’t see the reason for the all your pessimism considering the postion the Yankees have put themselves into with very attractive prospects to give up when something becomes available.

    I’ve been following the game long enoguh to know that something worthwhile eventually will.

    More then likely sooner then later.

    —————————–

    It’s not pessimism…I’m not trade every prospect sign every free agent guy. I believed that they were targeting Darvish as their next big ticket item because they weren’t interested in CJ or Buherle(sp?) and the free agent class could change.

    Your asking for Hughes to bounce back, Nova to not regress, Aj to not suck as much, and Garcia to duplicate what he did.

  296. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    My guess is with the Extra Wild Card added making it easier to get a shot at the Playoffs, the Yanks are gonna set sail with what they got and see what happens. Then, make adjustments as necessary as July 31 approaches. The Only exception would be eating some of AJ’s contract and dumping him.

  297. jacksquat December 20th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    If Swisher has another typical Swisher year in 2012, he’ll be in line for 3-4 years, at least $12-13mil/year.

  298. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I’m just really surprised that with Cano set to become a free agent at age 30 that more people aren’t worried about the kind of huge contract we will have to sign him for. It might look ok for a 2 or 3 years but after that it is going to look awful

  299. blake December 20th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    “He’s not out of line seeking something like 4/$48M to get him thru his age 35 season.”

    I think that’s close to his value…..the problem is that Yankee players never will re-sign for market value……especially if they have leverage…..which Swisher could with the lack of impact outfielders out there. Basically all the cheap options are out there and have already signed this year.

  300. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    # Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I’m going to lmao if this Darvish is a total bust.

    It’ll be a great summer.

    ————————–

    And if he’s not what are you going to say?
    ==================

    The same thing that I’m saying now: He’s not worth the risk, and we’ve got several young pitching prospects that we’re about to see come to fruition.
    ———————————

    Do you trust the Yankees to handle these next batch of kids properly?
    ====================

    No my plan is stage a revolution, and seize control of the Yankee empire (insert diabolical evil laugh). :)

    What do you want? Are you actually expecting guarantees?
    The Ranger got Lee, did they win the WS? No.
    The Philles got Lee did they win the WS? No
    The Indians got UJ. What did they win?
    What about Haren, Crawford, etc., etc, etc.
    ————————

    Of course not nothing is a guarantee but this team is going to have to get lucky again like they got last yr and that’s asking a lot. Does anyone think Boston will be that bad again? I don’t expect them to win 100 games but I don’t see them being as bad as they were last yr.

  301. CB December 20th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    “And if they don’t get Hamels….what’s the next move? This isn’t shot at you but many of us had Kemp in the OF for 2013.”

    That’s a distinct possibility. In fact right now – the odds of him not being a yankee are far higher than the odds of him being a Yankees.

    That’s just the way it goes. It was similar for CC – in some ways even more so because CC was better than Hamels.

    So they might not be able to sign him. And if they can’t they should just continue to be pragmatic.

    They can afford to do that because the farm system is healthy. It wasn’t in nearly as good shape back when they had to sign AJ. That hopefully was the last really forced high risk/high money move they were compelled to make.

    The Yanks have CC. That takes care of the #1 slot. At the back end you can mix and match on the #5 slot year to year with new kids or veterans like Garcia.

    That means the yankees have 3 slots they really have to take care of over the next several years.

    If they can get Hamels – they are in great shape. They only need to fill 2 spots.

    If they don’t get Hamels – they can potentially get Cain.

    If they don’t get either then those 3 spots have to get filled from the cohort of: Nova, Hughes, Noesi, Banuelos, Betances or through trades.

    Nova looks like he’ll be a keeper – at least a mid rotation guy. So if we want to be more specific – we’re really looking at 2 rotation spots.

    They can make a trade depending on how things shake out and the value in the market. Or they can just go with the kids.

    I really like Banuelos. Mo said he was the best pitching prospect he’s seen. And someone like Mo just doesn’t say that lightly.

    If the Yanks win their wager and get Hamels – they are really in an unbelievable position.

    But even if they don’t – they have the internal resources to put together a terrific staff.

  302. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Blake-

    If the price is right I’m all in on Cespedes ?

    Are the Yankees ?

    He’ll be available within about 2 weeks.

    If the Yankees really want him they are layin’ the groundwork right now.

    ;)

  303. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    # RhapsodyInBlue December 20th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Against All Odds

    I don’t see the reason for the all your pessimism considering the postion the Yankees have put themselves into with very attractive prospects to give up when something becomes available.

    I’ve been following the game long enoguh to know that something worthwhile eventually will.

    More then likely sooner then later.

    —————————–

    It’s not pessimism…I’m not trade every prospect sign every free agent guy. I believed that they were targeting Darvish as their next big ticket item because they weren’t interested in CJ or Buherle(sp?) and the free agent class could change.

    Your asking for Hughes to bounce back, Nova to not regress, Aj to not suck as much, and Garcia to duplicate what he did.
    =================================

    We all want Hughes to bounce back. Nova probably will regress, Garcia will probably come back to earth a bit, and AJ probably will suck. And the Yanks will still win about 95 games in 2012, because a lot of this stuff will wash or offset each other.

    The Yanks have a very good team with a lot of depth. They don’t need everything to go right for them to win in 2012. Everything didn’t go right in 2011, either–some things went very, very well, and other things did not.

  304. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    In all fairness to those in the ?keepin the christ in christmas? crowd.. they never mentioned keeping tacky out of it ? right, Erin?

    ************************

    good point. ;)

  305. CB December 20th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    “Would you agree that Cespedes at Chapman money could be a worthwhile risk? ”

    Blake,

    I honestly don’t know. I have no feeling for this player. He’s an outstanding athlete. There’s no question about that.

    But I just don’t know. I remember when they signed Willy Mo to the largest international amateur contract ever…

    On the whole – I probably would not sign him to that kind of deal. I just don’t feel like I have any substantive way of answering the question in the affirmative.

    Chapman – I would have taken a shot on. With a hitter – I don’t know.

    Signing him for 5-6 years – if he doesn’t work out you are just stuck with him. I’d do it if you could sign him for 3 years + 3 team options that totaled to 30M but with only 15M guaranteed. But I don’t think that’s realistic.

    That may be very unhelpful – I just don’t have a feel.

  306. dogface December 20th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    I’m just really surprised that with Cano set to become a free agent at age 30 that more people aren’t worried about the kind of huge contract we will have to sign him for.

    =======================

    That was discussed a little last week. Couple of us thought the Yankees should waive the “we won’t renegotiate contracts” policy and try locking him up long term now (say 7 years/$150ish) so that they’re getting his best years (read: paying him big for age 29-35 seasons rather than 31-37).

    Granderson is coming up the same time Cano is, and he’ll be two years older. They got some things to think about with those two as they consider budgets for upcoming seasons.

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  308. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I’m just really surprised that with Cano set to become a free agent at age 30 that more people aren’t worried about the kind of huge contract we will have to sign him for. It might look ok for a 2 or 3 years but after that it is going to look awful

    ——————–

    Jeter’s 10 year deal didn’t look so bad. Cano is only 2-3 (I think?) years older than Jeter was when he signed his. I’d lock Cano up for 10 years right now.

  309. blake December 20th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    CB,

    That’s fair…..but my thinking is that at 5 or 6 million per year the Yanks should be able to cover that risk without much trouble. The upside intrigues me….especially with Kemp locked up and with the Dbacks being too good to trade Upton…..

  310. RadioKev December 20th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Werth vs Swisher is laughable. Swisher has a much longer track record of success.

  311. blake December 20th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    The “no extensions ” policy no longer fits how the Yankees operate IMO.

  312. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    # CB December 20th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    “And if they don’t get Hamels….what’s the next move? This isn’t shot at you but many of us had Kemp in the OF for 2013.”

    That’s a distinct possibility. In fact right now – the odds of him not being a yankee are far higher than the odds of him being a Yankees.

    That’s just the way it goes. It was similar for CC – in some ways even more so because CC was better than Hamels.

    So they might not be able to sign him. And if they can’t they should just continue to be pragmatic.

    They can afford to do that because the farm system is healthy. It wasn’t in nearly as good shape back when they had to sign AJ. That hopefully was the last really forced high risk/high money move they were compelled to make.

    The Yanks have CC. That takes care of the #1 slot. At the back end you can mix and match on the #5 slot year to year with new kids or veterans like Garcia.

    That means the yankees have 3 slots they really have to take care of over the next several years.

    If they can get Hamels – they are in great shape. They only need to fill 2 spots.

    If they don’t get Hamels – they can potentially get Cain.

    If they don’t get either then those 3 spots have to get filled from the cohort of: Nova, Hughes, Noesi, Banuelos, Betances or through trades.

    Nova looks like he’ll be a keeper – at least a mid rotation guy. So if we want to be more specific – we’re really looking at 2 rotation spots.

    They can make a trade depending on how things shake out and the value in the market. Or they can just go with the kids.

    I really like Banuelos. Mo said he was the best pitching prospect he’s seen. And someone like Mo just doesn’t say that lightly.

    If the Yanks win their wager and get Hamels – they are really in an unbelievable position.

    But even if they don’t – they have the internal resources to put together a terrific staff.

    ——————————

    It will be interesting to see the kids hopefully they don’t screw it up.

  313. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    He’s probably the only player I’d consider giving another 10 year deal to, tbh. Even if you’re ‘stuck with him’ till he’s 38 or 39, you’d hope that from ages 36-39 he doesn’t forget how to hit. With Jeter and Arod being long retired by that point, he could be a DH for a while. Cano’s athleticism is just so good.. I’d like to think he can stick with it in the field for the long haul without embarrassing himself.

  314. jacksquat December 20th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Everyone thinking Nova will regress, go look at his 2nd half numbers after he came back from the minors (I think July 30). Anything could happen but I don’t think it should be predicted that he will regress.

  315. RadioKev December 20th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Cano is definitely great enough to extend. Save the money now.

  316. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    The best part about Nova, IMO, has nothing to do with his stuff and everything to do with his presence out on the mound. You have to expect the growing pains but man did he look like he belonged in the bigs when he came back up..

  317. ron December 20th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Trying to predict every single step along a very difficult proposition.

    We might get hamels,maybe not,we might get cain,maybe not,hughes/ban/betances/,might turn into a number 2 pitcher,negating the need for hamels,cain,etc…

    We just don’t know,and can’t know.
    Cashman & co don’t even know.

    All you can do is make smart decisions,wich i think the yankees,for the most part have been doing.

    If hamels becomes a fa,you will see the yankees financial might.

  318. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    jacksquat December 20th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Everyone thinking Nova will regress, go look at his 2nd half numbers after he came back from the minors (I think July 30). Anything could happen but I don’t think it should be predicted that he will regress.
    ————-

    He was so good last year, that it’s hard to imagine that he will be able to match it. I don’t think that he has to match it to be have a good year, or for the Yanks to win in 2012.

  319. Ghostwriter December 20th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    The best part about Nova, IMO, has nothing to do with his stuff and everything to do with his presence out on the mound. You have to expect the growing pains but man did he look like he belonged in the bigs when he came back up..
    ==

    Spot on!

  320. ron December 20th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Correction

    Trying to predict every single step into the future is a very difficult proposition.

  321. CB December 20th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    “my thinking is that at 5 or 6 million per year the Yanks should be able to cover that risk without much trouble. The upside intrigues me”

    Blake,

    That’s completely reasonable as well.

    From the slight glimpses I’ve seen of his swing – I have some concerns on it being long.

    That said – it’s really hard to know because the video’s they release are so annoying.

    Who cares where the ball lands when he’s taking batting practice. I could care less. I want to see more close ups of his mechanics. Not panoramic shots that show how far the ball goes, etc.

  322. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    New Post: A few mid-December minor league notes

    :arrow:

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