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Reports: Oswalt seeking one year; Kuroda nearing a deal

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 20, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Jerry Crasnick reported this afternoon that Roy Oswalt is now seeking a one-year deal — backing off hopes for a three-year contract — with plans of proving he’s healthy.

In theory, Oswalt seems to fit the Yankees needs — a bigger, more expensive version of last year’s Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon deals — but the Yankees interest is already being shot down, and even Oswalt’s agent denies recent conversations with the Yankees.

Another potential short-term rotation addition is Hiroki Kuroda, and Tim Brown has heard he’s on the verge of a deal with an unknown team. Of course, the Yankees are one of the teams that told Brown it’s “not us.”

 
 

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172 Responses to “Reports: Oswalt seeking one year; Kuroda nearing a deal”

  1. Ruby Red Sock December 20th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Old and expensive. Please pass Cashman.

  2. blake December 20th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    The Budget …….the budget!!!!!

  3. DocTodd December 20th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Maybe we can give Sidney Ponson another shot????

  4. Yankee Trader December 20th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    This is what’s left with the available starting pitching on the FA market:

    Name Age 2011 team 2011 stats 2012 team Contract
    Bartolo Colon 38 Yankees 8-10, 4.00 ERA not signed
    Aaron Cook 33 Rockies 3-10, 6.03 ERA not signed
    Kyle Davies 28 Royals 1-9, 6.75 ERA not signed
    Doug Davis 36 Cubs 1-7, 6.50 ERA not signed
    Justin Duchscherer 34 A’s Injured not signed
    Zach Duke 28 D’backs 3-4, 4.93 ERA not signed
    Jeff Francis 31 Royals 6-16, 4.82 ERA not signed
    Armando Galarraga 30 D’backs 3-4, 5.91 ERA not signed
    Rich Harden 30 A’s 4-4, 5.12 ERA not signed
    Livan Hernandez 37 Nationals 8-13, 4.47 ERA not signed
    Edwin Jackson 28 Cardinals 12-9, 3.79 ERA not signed
    Kenshin Kawakami 36 Braves 1-10, 5.15 ERA not signed
    Hiroki Kuroda 37 Dodgers 13-16, 3.07 ERA not signed
    Rodrigo Lopez 36 Cubs 6-6, 4.42 ERA not signed
    Paul Maholm 29 Pirates 6-14, 3.66 ERA not signed
    Kevin Milwood 37 Rockies 4-3, 3.98 ERA not signed
    Roy Oswalt 34 Phillies 9-10, 3.69 ERA not signed
    Brad Penny 33 Tigers 11-11, 5.30 ERA not signed
    Oliver Perez 30 Nationals Minors not signed
    Joel Pineiro 33 Angels 7-7, 5.13 ERA not signed
    Javier Vazquez 35 Marlins 13-11, 3.69 ERA not signed
    Tim Wakefield 45 Red Sox 7-8, 5.12 ERA not signed
    Brandon Webb 32 Rangers Injured not signed
    Chris Young 32 Mets 1-0, 1.88 ERA not signed

  5. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    One year for Oswalt?
    If it is less than 10M, maybe it is worth a shot.
    They clearly dont want to do another expensive long term deal.
    They can try with Colon again, but how can Oswalt not be an upgrade if healthy?

  6. austinmac December 20th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    ID,

    You aren’t getting doubtful on a significant pitching addition?

    No Kuroda or Oswalt. Gio, Danks and Garza are too costly in players. Jackson is AJ to a large extent.

    I think any addition will come from the list YT has above. Personally, I say skip those guys.

  7. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Joe In LI,

    The Mets are every bit the financial and public image disaster as the Dodgers are. Two of the top three teams in baseball in terms of a fan base to draw from is a nightmare for baseball and almost as much of an embarrassment to the Commissioner’s office as the drugs and steroids scandal was/is

    As equally disgusting was hand picking some of these owners (the same ones that are failing) and allowing one owner to own a piece of three teams at the same time (John Henry – Montreal, Marlins and Yankees).

  8. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Don’t worry guys. AJ will bounce back once he receives that shipment of ritalin I sent him.

  9. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    The Cashman Yankees will never EEEEEVVVVVAAAAHHHH say that they are in on a specific player. Brian is concerned to the point of paranoia of being used as a stalking horse for agents trying to drive up their price.

    There have been times where deals have been done and complete and Cashman STILL wouldn’t confirm them.

    That said – I don’t doubt the veracity of the reports that the Yankees are not in on Oswalt or Kuroda. I think at this point Hiroki has made it quite clear that he has no desire to pitch in pinstripes.

  10. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Also signed Hughes up for Nutri system.

    Everything is under control.

  11. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Only three guys on that list I look at:

    Harden
    Maholm
    Chris Young

    Of course none of them are clear upgrades to the rotation and having handed Garcia a $5 mil contract I don’t see the Yankees signing any of them unless they were willing to take a minor league deal – which (IMNSHO) eliminates all but Chris Young.

  12. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    I think at this point Hiroki has made it quite clear that he has no desire to pitch in pinstripes.

    ——-

    When did he do that?

  13. dogface December 20th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    LGY in full Kevin Bacon from Animal House mode:

    REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL!!!!!

  14. austinmac December 20th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Chip,

    Have you noticed that when the Yankees say in the last couple of years they are not in on a player, they are not? Stealth Cashman is a figment of our fan hopes for a move.

    Cashman has been very candid this year. Every denial he has made has been accurate.

  15. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Chip – that’s the thing. kuroda has had ample chance to sign on, and, for whatever reason, hasn’t. if he’s not into ny, then, he’s not. move on to somebody who wants to play here, who’s heart is in to it.

    cash has put significant effort, the past couple years, into getting more quality guys in the clubhouse. there’s other sp’s out there, and a series of young guys in the farm who would give their all to be in ny. just look at nova, once he got a chance. noesi in 2012.

  16. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    LGY in full Kevin Bacon from Animal House mode:

    REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL!!!!!

    ——–

    KUUUURRRROOODDAAAAAA

  17. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Harden
    Maholm
    Chris Young

    ___

    Harden? Would be nice, but if you are hoping for him to stay healthy, you’re living in a dream world…. When healthy though, he would be a possible #2….

  18. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    LGY December 20th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
    I think at this point Hiroki has made it quite clear that he has no desire to pitch in pinstripes.

    ——-

    When did he do that?

    ———–

    If I recall there was interest by the Yankees for him last year – which he spurned and I believe they tried to trade for him but were told he would not waive his NTC to come to the Yankees.

    Though I could be wrong.

  19. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    and, when i say kuroda has had ample chance, i mean last season, also, when reportedly offered a trade to ny, he invoked his ntc.

  20. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Has anyone checked to see if SID FERNANDEZ would accept a 1yr deal?

  21. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    austinmac December 20th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    Chip,

    Have you noticed that when the Yankees say in the last couple of years they are not in on a player, they are not? Stealth Cashman is a figment of our fan hopes for a move.

    Cashman has been very candid this year. Every denial he has made has been accurate.

    ————

    Oh I agree 100% – I’m just saying that even in cases where the Yankees are in on a player, expecting Cashman to tell anyone that they’re interested is like sitting by your fireplace in July and waiting for Santa.

  22. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Things change, KURODA WILL BE A YANK

  23. Wave Your Hat December 20th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Once Kuroda and Oswalt go there’s no real impact pitcher available outside of the trade market and it doesn’t look like the Yanks will be major players in the trade market as current asking prices seem to be too high for them. They’ll try to cobble something together like last year and hope for similar results. But there’s 3 super AL East teams and 6 AL teams for 4 or 5 post-season spots. Could be a year for the antacid tablets.

  24. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    Harden
    Maholm
    Chris Young

    ___

    Harden? Would be nice, but if you are hoping for him to stay healthy, you’re living in a dream world…. When healthy though, he would be a possible #2….

    ———–

    I wouldn’t count on him (nor would I pay him such a sum as to suggest I was counting on him) but then again I wasn’t counting on Colon or Garcia last year and that worked out. But as you say – when healthy he is a solid top three pitcher.

  25. m December 20th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    So we’re NOT in on Kuroda?

    Definitely NO to Oswalt.

    Um. If you’re taking any kind of medication that’s not on the approved list, aren’t you supposed to inform the league? Or is that football? Or too much common sense?

  26. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Yeah last year he didn’t want to leave his home on the west coast. That’s not in dispute.

    This winter he’s open to a new team.

  27. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    LGY December 20th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    Also signed Hughes up for Nutri system.

    *****************

    :lol:

  28. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    How about concentrate on the hitting side of the equation and get us some genuine Cuban cigars in the deal.

    ;)

  29. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    Things change, KURODA WILL BE A YANK

    ——–

    Don’t get LGY’s hopes up. You’re like the absentee father who promises their kid a pony for Christmas and then doesn’t show up leaving the mom to deal with the fallout.

  30. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Don’t get LGY’s hopes up. You’re like the absentee father who promises their kid a pony for Christmas and then doesn’t show up leaving the mom to deal with the fallout.

    Does that make you the mother Chip? :)

  31. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    LGY December 20th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    Yeah last year he didn’t want to leave his home on the west coast. That’s not in dispute.

    This winter he’s open to a new team.

    ————

    Okie dokie

  32. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
    Don’t get LGY’s hopes up. You’re like the absentee father who promises their kid a pony for Christmas and then doesn’t show up leaving the mom to deal with the fallout.

    Does that make you the mother Chip?
    ——–

    No, that makes me the snotty kid down the block who makes fun of LGY for not getting the Kuroda that he went around telling everyone his dad was going to buy him for Christmas.

  33. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    - Beret7 -
    You forgot to mention they have Twice REFUSED a Great candidate for ownership in Mark Cuban.

  34. upstate kate December 20th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Oh no, someone mentioned LGY and bacon in the same post ;)

  35. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Snuck into Freddy’s house and stole all the kitchen knives. Also, bought up all the Captain Crunch at CC’s local supermarket.

    We don’t need Kuroda. I’m taking care of everything.

    Last step is to pull an inception on Cashman and get him to stop putting promising young pitchers in the bullpen so we don’t have to turn to BRIAN GORDON midseason for help.

  36. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    The thing about getting any of these pitchers – from Kuroda to Harden – is that if you’re going to sign one to a major league deal you first need to figure out how you’re creating a spot for him in the rotation.

    Until and unless Brian is willing to entertain either dealing Hughes or eating considerably more than $8 mil of AJ’s contract – that’s not happening.

    I think they got scared and rushed into things with Freddy Garcia. Yes he was a great boon to the rotation last year, but there was no need to give him guaranteed money (and a roster spot) so early in the winter.

    A) He wasn’t going anywhere
    B) even if he did – does anyone really believe he’s going to pitch to a 3.60 ERA again this coming season? If he left for another team – you go out and find the next Freddy Garcia – or at least keep a rotation and roster spot open for a guy like a Kuroda or Harden or CJ Wilson.

  37. joeman December 20th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Things change, KURODA WILL BE A YANK
    ——————————————
    that will not happen

  38. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    that will not happen

    —-

    that will happen

  39. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Really the Freddy Garcia contract has limited Cashman’s options to signing guys who are willing to take minor league contracts.

  40. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    RICH HARDEN? What is with your obsession with this guy?

  41. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    do we want Kuroda over Oswalt?

  42. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    do we want Kuroda over Oswalt?

    yes we do

  43. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    Chip – that’s the thing. kuroda has had ample chance to sign on, and, for whatever reason, hasn’t. if he’s not into ny, then, he’s not. move on to somebody who wants to play here, who’s heart is in to it.

    cash has put significant effort, the past couple years, into getting more quality guys in the clubhouse. there’s other sp’s out there, and a series of young guys in the farm who would give their all to be in ny. just look at nova, once he got a chance. noesi in 2012.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Joe, last yer was a perfect example of what you said about quality in the clubhouse. 4 players that completely bypassed the radar for top players not only produced on the field (Garcia, Colon, Chavez and Jones) but from all reports were strong clubhouse influences as far as helping to teach the younger players. Pieces….Quality Pieces is what the Yanks need, not reconstructive plastic surgery. If NYYs put the same team on the field as last year, I’m satisfied that NY will win the East (to start with) again.

  44. ET December 20th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    “Really the Freddy Garcia contract has limited Cashman’s options to signing guys who are willing to take minor league contracts.”

    If he wants to give Burnett and Hughes 9 lives, then yeah. But there are upgrades out there that are available, like Kuroda.

  45. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    I’m gonna start typing COLON’s name in capitals in the hopes Cash sees it (that’s what I’ve convinced myself LGY is doing). If we sign either Kuroda or Colon we can thank our nonsensical yelling, LGY!!

  46. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    LGY December 20th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
    RICH HARDEN? What is with your obsession with this guy?

    —————-

    Great talent when healthy

    Still young enough to have a future

    And if neither of those appeal to you I’m just going to go with “After Christian Garica completely fell apart I had a roster spot open for man crush and decided Harden would be it.”

  47. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    LGY-who will be taking part in your Inception plan??

    BTW, Brian Gordon pitched on my birthday. And did fairly well IIRC. :P

  48. austinmac December 20th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    GB,

    What quality pieces do you suggest?

    Sign Nakajima or bring back Chavez? Bring back Jones? Is that it?

  49. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
    do we want Kuroda over Oswalt?

    ————-

    I want neither – but of the two I would take Kuroda. Oswalt’s back issues are troubling.

  50. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    I want neither – but of the two I would take Kuroda. Oswalt’s back issues are troubling.

    Worries about Oswault’s health problems

    Still wants Yankees to sign Rich Harden

    ….

  51. upstate kate December 20th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    GARZA

  52. Yanks78 December 20th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    As Patrick said, the trade deadline from now on is going to be very quiet. The only teams who will be wheeling and dealing are teams who are like 15+ games out of the 2nd WC.

    Not to mention, there will be many more buyers and teams who think they can get the 2nd WC, so there will be more competition and higher prices for whatever will be out there.

    If Cash doesn’t shore up the rotation this winter, he probably won’t get the chance to until next offseason.

  53. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    As Patrick said, the trade deadline from now on is going to be very quiet.

    I said that?

  54. CB December 20th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    I think the plan from the start has been to try to trade AJ.

    That’s why the Garcia signing makes sense – and sense for when they did it.

    You only sign Freddy that early if you think you will need two pitchers. Not if you think you’ll need only one.

    And even after the Garcia signing the Yanks have talked about wanting more pitching.

    We’ll see. I don’t think they are just going to give up on Hughes after all of the investments made in him.

    On the other hand-the yankees have leaked that AJ is being shopped.

  55. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    ET December 20th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
    “Really the Freddy Garcia contract has limited Cashman’s options to signing guys who are willing to take minor league contracts.”

    If he wants to give Burnett and Hughes 9 lives, then yeah. But there are upgrades out there that are available, like Kuroda.

    ———–

    Yeah but you can’t just delete guys off the roster. If you’re going to get Kuroda and the plan is for him to replace AJ then you have to find a place for AJ. If you trade him, how much money are you taking back? Are you burying him in the pen as the 12th man on the pitching staff?

    Are you giving up on a 25 year old in Hughes to bring in a 38 year old in Kuroda?

    These aren’t easy questions for Cashman to answer.

  56. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Harden at a decent price wouldnt be a big deal, since we have more than 5 pitchers, one of them can just step in. Maybe he will pull an AJ Burnett and join the Yankees and finally learn how to not get injured for 3 years.

  57. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
    I want neither – but of the two I would take Kuroda. Oswalt’s back issues are troubling.

    Worries about Oswault’s health problems

    Still wants Yankees to sign Rich Harden

    ———–

    A) I never said I was logical

    B) I think Oswalt would want about double the money that Harden would.

  58. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Why are some so sure that Garcia can’t pitch to near his 2011 levels but are positive that Kuroda will be so much better?

  59. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
    Harden at a decent price wouldnt be a big deal, since we have more than 5 pitchers, one of them can just step in. Maybe he will pull an AJ Burnett and join the Yankees and finally learn how to not get injured for 3 years.

    ———–

    Would be nice.

  60. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    If the Yanks were serious about bidding for Darvish, then the also had to be serious about signing him and paying him roughly $12 Mill per. This means Cashman Still has that same $12 Mill to use. Let’s stop scrapping the bottom of the barrel and look at SP’s in the 12Mill price range.

  61. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Why are some so sure that Garcia can’t pitch to near his 2011 levels but are positive that Kuroda will be so much better?

    Are you sure these are the same people?

    If Kuroda and Garcia duplicate their 2011 seasons Kuroda is better. If both regress it is likely that Kuroda will still be better.

  62. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
    Why are some so sure that Garcia can’t pitch to near his 2011 levels but are positive that Kuroda will be so much better?

    ————

    Well – as one who isn’t sold on Garcia pitching to last year’s levels – I’m also not sold on Kuroda being able to pitch to his 2011 levels especially in the AL East – but that’s an argument from last week that I really don’t have enough advil to go through again.

  63. Jerkface December 20th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    The Yankees are really dumb if any of those leaked bids is true, so I’m just going to assume they aren’t. Money is the one thing the Yankees have in abundance. They can support a 400 mil payroll and still have profit. However, there are issues with money that are created by outside forces, namely the rules of baseball and the CBA. The Yankees have to consider how much money is tied up in a 25 man roster spot, a 40 man roster spot, how much their total payroll is in relation to the luxury tax (especially going forward), how much the AAV is of a contract for trade purposes etc.

    They want to trade AJ because he is tying up a roster spot, but he makes a lot of money so its hard to trade him. This is one of those problems. Darvish represented a chance to get a player on an affordable deal, that doesn’t impact the luxury tax, who is incredibly tradeable, and doesn’t have a big sink on a roster spot.

    Bidding less than Igawa or even less than Daisuke for him is just foolish. If they bid knowing they are going to lose don’t even bother. It was basically going to be impossible for the bids to fall to their range. Hamels is going to sign an extension, Yankees will really have to rely on the farm system the next 3 years.

    The haren non-deal and Darvish are going to be huge black eyes of ‘what coulda been’.

  64. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
    Why are some so sure that Garcia can’t pitch to near his 2011 levels but are positive that Kuroda will be so much better?

    Are you sure these are the same people?

    If Kuroda and Garcia duplicate their 2011 seasons Kuroda is better. If both regress it is likely that Kuroda will still be better.
    ——–

    That I would tend to agree with.

    I could easily see Garcia pitching to an ERA near or above 5.

  65. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    I agree with everything you say Jerkface, except “Hamels is going to sign an extension”

    Why would he do this? Do the Phillies even have enough money to extend him on a huge deal?

  66. Wave Your Hat December 20th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    The problem with shopping AJ now is that, assuming the Yanks are not in on Kuroda and Oswalt, there’s no big upgrade to replace him with. The Yanks can save a little salary and can open a roster spot for a kid – both laudable things – but the big W-L upside isn’t there.

  67. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Kuroda will need to pitch twice as well as garcia to be worth twice the cost. again, NYYs aren’t eating 2/3rds of Burnett’s contract…not this year. After 2012, it’s probable/possible.

  68. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Stop trying to steal my all caps plan with KURODA!! :mad:

  69. Wave Your Hat December 20th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    The Phillies are the new Yanks. They have no budget constraints. Yes they can sign Hamels. They probably will.

  70. joeman December 20th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    upstate kate December 20th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    GARZA
    ———————————
    if the Cubs are serious about trading him I say it’s worth the look

  71. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Bidding less than Igawa or even less than Daisuke for him is just foolish. If they bid knowing they are going to lose don’t even bother.

    ————————————————

    Because according to some fans it was better to bid just in case even if the bid was extremely low

  72. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    I think both Garcia and KURODA will pitch well next year.

    AJ is going to be awful though. He’s terrible. TERRIBLE. That’s why you gotta dump him and scoop up KURODA.

    CC
    KURODA
    Nova
    Garcia
    Hughes

    Noesi backing up in AAA.

  73. upstate kate December 20th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    LGY
    :)

  74. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    # Wave Your Hat December 20th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    The Phillies are the new Yanks. They have no budget constraints. Yes they can sign Hamels. They probably will.

    ——————————

    There are articles stating that once Amaro gets past the arbitration period he’s going to turn his attention to Hamels.

  75. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    To JF’s point –

    With trading AJ, under George it was easy(ier) for Cashman to eliminate a mistake because George really did not seem to care about spending the money to get a useless player off his team if it freed up a roster spot for a useful player. Under Hal I think Cashman has a tougher time justifying it.

    “Well Hal I want to spend 18 million to get someone to take AJ Burnett from us, we’re not going to get assets back, but it will allow us to sign this other guy for $15 mil a year”

    “Are you sure this guy is going to be better than AJ?”

    “Pretty sure.”

    “You realize you’re not paying him $15 mil a year, you’re paying him $15 mil plus the $9 mil/year that we’re paying for AJ. So really you’re signing this guy for $24 mil/year.”

    “Um…yeah”

    “Is he worth $24 mil/year?”

    “damn”

  76. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    The only way Hamels doesn’t re-sign or sign an extention with Philadelphia is if Hamels prices himself out of Philly existence.

  77. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    I’ll still be surprised if AJ is not on the 2012 team. But next winter I think there’s an excellent chance he gets traded.

    And if they’re supposedly not in on Kuroda or Oswalt, who is replacing AJ?

  78. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Wave Your Hat December 20th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
    The Phillies are the new Yanks. They have no budget constraints. Yes they can sign Hamels. They probably will.

    ————

    The Phillies have a GM who has convinced their owner to spend everything now for the simple reason that this team has a very tiny window with which to work. They are old, have no minor leaguers to speak of and are tied up with some very bad long term contracts. And what’s more, they’ve been the presumptive favorites in the NL the last 5 years and have 1 trophy to show for it. Amaro is the very definition of a dangerous GM. He’ll likely be gone within 2 years and whomever takes over that team is going to have a nightmare to deal with.

  79. Yanks78 December 20th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Cashman himself told Francesa last month that he can’t say for sure what Nova does next year because they thought Hughes would take the next step this year but he didn’t and lots of starters don’t always progress from year 1-2 the way people expect them to. He also basically admitted that Burnett is #5 starter now who only eats innings.

    He seemed surprisingly confident about Hughes – based on what, I have no idea. If he was so uncertain about Nova progressing, why should he feel that Hughes will take a quantum leap?

    He has genuflected about Noesi everytime he has spoken, but as it stands now, he is insurance and not going to legitimately compete for a spot.

    IMO, Cash knows his rotation is suspect but still holds out hope that Hughes/Nova progress and Garcia replicates last year but isn’t certain that any of these things happen, but doesn’t want to bring in anyone to deprive these guys of showing they can do it.

  80. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    You’re not spending $18M to send AJ to another team.

    That implies it’s a new cost. You already have to pay AJ.

  81. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    IMO the Yankees bid as they did because that’s how THEY valued Mr. Darvish.

    They simply do not see him as worthy of 100 million + investment. Too risky.

    No one has to like it. You’re free to disagree and to express your displeasure all you like.

    Vent away.

    But that’s just the way it is.

    Time will tell if it is a “mistake” or not.

    ;)

  82. theREALkevin December 20th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Garcia had like the 2nd lowest ERA of his career last year. It was sorta flukey. I also think Nova pitched over his head. I see both of them regressing a bit. Hughes is a question mark, and AJ is well, AJ. It just would have been nice to sign someone else for extra stability.

  83. Yanks78 December 20th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    I’d be shocked if Hamels doesn’t sign an extension – pitchers these days are seemingly not taking every last penny, which sucks for us.

  84. CB December 20th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    “The problem with shopping AJ now is that, assuming the Yanks are not in on Kuroda and Oswalt, there’s no big upgrade to replace him with.”

    I’m working off the assumption that they are on Kuroda however. May not get him – may want to stay west when all is said and done. But I think they are likely on him.

    I say that because the club has been interested in him for a long time. Back to last winter. They tried again at the trade deadline.

    So here’s a player they clearly like who is available on a short term deal. The team he loved playing for does not want him back as they can’t afford him. His agent has said he’ll play anywhere now given that he won’t be back with the dodgers.

    If they can’t sign Kuroda and/or trade AJ – the yanks would be better off putting Noesi into the rotation and sending AJ to the pen.

    It’s a sunk cost. Try to trade him now. If you can’t do it then that ship has passed and putting him into the pen won’t hurt his “trade value” which wouldn’t exist anyway.

    Regardless, I’d be very surprised if they are not on Kuroda. Again-may not get him. But I’d be very surprised if they aren’t actively pursuing him and doing so aggressively.

  85. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Erin December 20th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
    I’ll still be surprised if AJ is not on the 2012 team. But next winter I think there’s an excellent chance he gets traded.

    And if they’re supposedly not in on Kuroda or Oswalt, who is replacing AJ?

    ———–

    I’m with you on this – I think the odds are fantastic he gets traded next year. The Yankees would have to absorb less salary and a team would only have to gamble on him for one year.

    As for who might’ve taken that roster spot this year – Noesi, Warren, Phelps would be my top three.

    I never root for a player to get injured – but if those three are having dominant minor league seasons I might secretly hope for AJ to fall on his face jumping over the railing to pie someone in the face.

  86. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    # GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    The only way Hamels doesn’t re-sign or sign an extention with Philadelphia is if Hamels prices himself out of Philly existence.

    —————————-

    Amaro will probably do what he always does low base salary in the first yr and then back load the rest.

  87. Shame Spencer December 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    See upstate kate – This game is fun!!

    COLON!!

  88. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Chip-

    I call him Amaro the Bizarro.

    You are spot on.

    1 trophy in 5 years.

    And you’re right the guy is dangerous.

  89. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    KU
    RO
    DA

  90. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    I want the Yankees to sign Hiroki FUS RO DAH

  91. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    LGY December 20th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
    You’re not spending $18M to send AJ to another team.

    That implies it’s a new cost. You already have to pay AJ.

    ———-

    No, but it’s money that they’re spending that isn’t helping them and still has to be paid. I don’t know Hal’s personality, but it strikes me that if he’s going to spend the money he would rather it be spent on players on the roster than on players not on the roster.

    Cashman’s already burying a bunch of dead money in the minors (Igawa) I think the limits to how many mistakes he’s allowed to buy himself out of is a lot stricter under the new ownership.

  92. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    The Yankees payroll is at about $177M right now. Factor in an estimated $17M in arbitration salaries and you have $194M.

    Their payroll last year was $207M.

    $12M for KURODA and $3M for Andruw. That brings you to $209M. Only $2M over last year’s payroll.

    If you then trade AJ you can actually lower payroll from last season and at the same time significantly improve the team.

    WIN-WIN-WIN all around.

  93. Chip December 20th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    MTU December 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
    Chip-

    I call him Amaro the Bizarro.

    You are spot on.

    1 trophy in 5 years.

    And you’re right the guy is dangerous.
    ————–

    And the fact that he’s backloading the contracts makes it even worse – guys like him make me appreciate the patient approach that Cashman has – it would be easy for him to gut the minor league system again and just concentrate on getting big leaguers who could help right away but he’s trying to walk the fine line of dealing with ownership and a fan base that has been raised on “Series or Bust” and planning for the future.

  94. blake December 20th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Release the KrakenHank!

  95. blake December 20th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    “f you then trade AJ you can actually lower payroll from last season and at the same time significantly improve the team.”

    Stop the voodoo math ;)

  96. Jerzz December 20th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Burnett has a limited no-trade and his wife doesn’t fly and they live in Maryland. That basically limits you to East Coast and some central teams (Reds, Tigers).

    Yanks won’t trade him within the division. Only team in the NL East that might work is Washington. Don’t think KC/CLE/MIN have the funds to absorb him. CHI is rebuilding. Detroit, perhaps.

    Pirates/Astros/Brewers/Reds can’t afford him. Cubs/Cardinals might be options.

  97. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Chip-

    Same wavelength again.

    I hope those days of sacking the farm for questionable acquisitions are gone.

    And no more Yankee tax. That’s over.

    If there is someone who represents a need that is quality and a true upgrade that’s different.

    I have my Eliot Ness list and I am sure the Yankees do too.

    ;)

  98. Yankee Trader December 20th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Chip-

    Take this rumor for what it’s worth:

    Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports that Hiroki Kuroda would consider signing with the Yankees and a few other teams.Kuroda was unwilling to leave Los Angeles at the trade deadline, but now that the Dodgers are no longer an option, he’s more open-minded to playing elsewhere. If he doesn’t get the kind of deal in a location he prefers, though, he could head back to Japan. Kuroda reportedly is looking for $12-13 million on a one-year deal. Dec 11 – 12:57 PM

  99. blake December 20th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    There are 20 teams you can trade AJ to without his consent……

  100. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Joelsherman1 Seen talk #Yankees will be in heavy on Cespedes. I don’t believe it. Their people have sounded gunshy about spending big $ off of (cont)

    Joelsherman1 scouting video, scouting session. Beware #Tigers. Ilitch has shown will expand budget when baseball ops like something. They like Cespedes

  101. joeman December 20th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Kuroda for a multi or Oswalt for a one…give me Oswalt

  102. hardwired7 December 20th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    I nervously opened up the sole present under the tree – it turned out to be just a crummy Gustavo Molina.

    I couldn’t even feign mild excitement.

  103. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Kuroda for a multi or Oswalt for a one…give me Oswalt

    #1 Kuroda is a better bet on a multi year deal
    #2 Kuroda doesn’t want a multi year deal

    its all good.. kuroda will be a yank and you will love it

  104. blake December 20th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Randy Levine is already preparing an offer for Ryan Madson to uphold the sacred obligation to the fans.

  105. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    blake December 20th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    There are 20 teams you can trade AJ to without his consent……

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    how many teams can afford him (or “want such a loser”) or the yanks will send to a team that might face NY in the Ps. That reduces it to about 6 teams.

  106. Erin December 20th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    hardwired- :D

  107. Patrick December 20th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Randy Levine is already preparing an offer for Ryan Madson to uphold the sacred obligation to the fans.

    DIE

  108. blake December 20th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Why would you care if you face AJ in the postseason?

  109. Yankee Trader December 20th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Randy Levine is already preparing an offer for Ryan Madson to uphold the sacred obligation to the fans.
    ——————————————-

    Good one! Made me look! In 2006 Ryan Madson started 17 games for the Phils. Didn’t do so well.

    http://www.baseball-reference......ry01.shtml

  110. spidanyc December 20th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Jerzz December 20th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    Burnett has a limited no-trade and his wife doesn?t fly and they live in Maryland. That basically limits you to East Coast and some central teams (Reds, Tigers).

    Yanks won?t trade him within the division. Only team in the NL East that might work is Washington. Don?t think KC/CLE/MIN have the funds to absorb him. CHI is rebuilding. Detroit, perhaps.

    ————————————————————————————–

    Why wouldn’t the Yankees trade AJ Burnett within the division? He’s awful!!

  111. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    how many teams can afford him (or “want such a loser”) or the yanks will send to a team that might face NY in the Ps. That reduces it to about 6 teams.

    ———————-

    We don’t want to send AJ to a team the Yanks may face in the playoffs??

    Why not?

  112. spidanyc December 20th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Jerzz December 20th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
    Burnett has a limited no-trade and his wife doesn?t fly and they live in Maryland. That basically limits you to East Coast and some central teams (Reds, Tigers).

    Yanks won?t trade him within the division. Only team in the NL East that might work is Washington. Don?t think KC/CLE/MIN have the funds to absorb him. CHI is rebuilding. Detroit, perhaps.

    ?????????????????????????????

    Why wouldn?t the Yankees trade AJ Burnett within the division? He?s awful!!

    —————————————————————————————-

    Pitchers such as CC, Lester, David Price, James Shields wouldn’t get traded within the division. AJ needs to go asap

  113. CB December 20th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Depending on the price, it would be very inconsistent to spend big on Cespedes after passing on Darvish.

    The Yankees will have seen much more of Darvish than Cespedes.

    Obviously price is the key variable. But I’ll be surprised if he’s a Yankee.

  114. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Burnett’s Ps games are like his career. He’s inconsistant. He’s either very good or very bad. Are you willing to take that chance in a short series?

  115. Yanks78 December 20th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    If AJ’s agent did his work right, the 10 teams are not from the AL East. Not like the Yankees would trade him within the division anyway, so that’s 15 teams.

    Then you factor in teams that have either no need for him or can’t afford him period (Arizona, Philly, Mets, Atlanta, Oakland, Seattle, Cleveland, Houston, Pitt, San Fran, San Diego, etc.)

    And the list is small. His NTC is irrelevant for the most part because there are only like 3-4 teams total that might need him AND can afford him.

    Teams are not lining up to acquire a $16 mil pitcher who has been one of the 3 worst pitchers in baseball the last 2 years.

  116. Irreverent Discourse December 20th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    When do pitchers in bad contracts ever get moved?

    AJ isn’t going anywhere.

    There is plenty of room in the rotation when you eliminate a struggling pitcher.

    AJ/Garcia can both be long men. At this point the amount of money AJ makes is irrelevant as long as he helps the team win in some fashion.

    Nova/Hughes can both be sent down.

    Sign Kuroda for 1 year and get the kids ready for 2013.

    If Kuroda doesn’t work out… don’t flinch and overpay just yet. Something tells me that the pitching trade market will still be slow moving into late January.

  117. Wave Your Hat December 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Given the Yank options next year (big raise to Swisher, or chasing Hamilton or Ethier), going after Cespedes would make sense, but I don’t think the Yanks are at the big table this off-season. I think they pass on him.

  118. Jerkface December 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Are you willing to take that chance in a short series?

    No, which is why they should trade him.

  119. blake December 20th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    I really can’t see Cespedes getting much more than than Chapman did……if he gets a similar deal then that’s potentially 90+ million dollars less in total dollars than Darvish though.

  120. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    I think the going price on Cespedes and Soler together will be considerably less than Darvish’s posting fee alone. NYYs will need outfielders in the system, both near and far future. No way of knowing the silliness of rich kids with money in their pockets, so I’m just guessing….like everyone else on here and in the media.

  121. blake December 20th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    “Burnett’s Ps games are like his career. He’s inconsistant. He’s either very good or very bad. Are you willing to take that chance in a short series?”

    I wouldn’t let that stop me from trading him

  122. austinmac December 20th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    I agree with Sherman. They will not be competitive on Cespedes. They are not interested in a long term obligation. One additional year for CC. One year for Garcia. I suspect they look at existing long term obligations and think they have more than enough.

    They will rely on their minors and low cost, short term fill ins. It worked last year in their view.

  123. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    He seemed surprisingly confident about Hughes – based on what, I have no idea. If he was so uncertain about Nova progressing, why should he feel that Hughes will take a quantum leap?

    —————————————–

    Cashman believes Hughes’ problems are health related and with his health issues being behind him he should win win 14-17 games. He expressed the same belief on the MLB Network.

  124. Wave Your Hat December 20th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    “They will rely on their minors and low cost, short term fill ins.”

    Pitching, probably. Won’t work in the outfield. They’ll be forced to pony up big for Nick or jump into the Hamilton-Ethier rat race.

  125. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    When Kuroda and Oswalt fall off the board, are people going to start pining for Joe Saunders? When will people raise their standards as high as they were when everyone wanted to break the bank for Cliff Lee?

  126. Nick in SF December 20th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    If the Mets are going to eliminate the weakest team in their system, shouldn’t that team be… the Mets?

  127. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    The front office has everyone playing a jolly old game of lowered expectations.

  128. blake December 20th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    CB,

    If you could trade Swish for something of value and get Beltran to accept a 2 year deal would you make that swap?

  129. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Why do you assume the Yanks will be saving any money. you’re going to pay about $10-$12 mil a year for Burnett and another $12 mil to replace him with a Kuroda? Is Kuroda a $20-$24 mil a year pitcher?

  130. blake December 20th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Cutting one of your minor league teams sounds like a great way to rebuild from within

  131. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    How did we get here?

    CC-Lee->>CC-Plan B->>CC-Wilson->>CC-Darvish->>CC-Kuroda->>CC-Oswalt->>CC-Saunders???

    Do you see the pattern?

  132. blake December 20th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    “Why do you assume the Yanks will be saving any money. you’re going to pay about $10-$12 mil a year for Burnett and another $12 mil to replace him with a Kuroda? Is Kuroda a $20-$24 mil a year pitcher?”

    Because the assumption is they want to make the rotation better…..and that they are going to try to add a pitcher regardless of whether they trade AJ.

    Paying AJs full salary + Kuroda’s is more expensive than paying some of AJs salary + Kuroda’s……and then in 2013 you save additional money also.

  133. ADam December 20th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Get me Randy Levine on the phone!!!!!!!!!!!! Its time to give out another 36 million dollar contract to another mid reliever, Is Mike Gonzalez busy???

  134. Eroc December 20th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    CC-Lee->>CC-Plan B->>CC-Wilson->>CC-Darvish->>CC-Kuroda->>CC-Oswalt->>CC-Saunders???

    Do you see the pattern?

    ——

    Cash is afraid to take risks. If it isn’t a no-brainer like Lee or him heisting another team in a trade, he has no clue how to acquire pitching.

    IMO, he got spooked by Javy Vazquez and Burnett. Now he’s just content going into the rotation with question marks and saying “What did you expect? the prices were too high and there were no sure things”.

    He would have never been so passive under George. Now that Hal kind of leaves him alone and doesn’t care as long as the Yankees are contenders (no longer the WS or bust mantra) and Cash tries to “Walmart” his way to a respectable staff.

    Every good prospect is untouchable. Any dollar figure over their “assigned value” means no deal. Cash is inflexible and rigid. I also think he wants to ‘prove’ that he was right about Hughes and Burnett thinking that he has nothing to lose (perception-wise) if they bust because most people consider them busts anyway.

  135. CB December 20th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    “If you could trade Swish for something of value and get Beltran to accept a 2 year deal would you make that swap?”

    Yes. I would. the key would be whether Beltran will accept a two year deal.

    He wanted to play for the Yanks once. He’s made a fortune in the game already. Maybe he’ll be ok with a two year deal to get back to NY and a chance to win.

    It’s a real risk given his health. But he’s a much better hitter and offensive player than Swisher when healthy.

  136. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    I would like Beltran on a 2 year deal but because of his health risks, I would make him primary DH. He’s an upgrade over Jorge.

  137. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    I respect your opinions a great deal, CB, but on the AJ trade stuff, I just can’t see it.

    I agree that it is something the Yankees are looking to do and hope to accomplish. I just don’t see any takers within the limited market there might even be for him.

    It takes two to tango. And while the Yankees might eat up a good portion of his salary, they are not going to swallow the entire amount, or close to it, which is what it might take.

    You are talking about a pitcher who on a 90-plus win team was sub-500. And who is high maintenance, so he’s not the “veteran guy” a team might look for to help a younger rotation. AJ HIMSELF still needs mentoring or monitoring. He’s a high maintenance guy. And he’s older and his stuff isn’t as good and he doesn’t like using his third pitch (although Martin did get him to use it somewhat last season).

    Tell me who the market is for him.

  138. Wave Your Hat December 20th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    I like Beltran, but with both ARod and Jeter in the lineup I think swapping out a guy you know will play every day (Swisher) for one you don’t know will play every day (Beltran) is a bad idea.

  139. ET December 20th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    CC-Lee->>CC-Plan B->>CC-Wilson->>CC-Darvish->>CC-Kuroda->>CC-Oswalt->>CC-Saunders???

    Do you see the pattern?

    ———————

    Well, that’s the “Cashman way” these days.

    He is utterly screwed if Hamels signs an extension (and it is probably greater than 50% that he does). Then from Hamels, we will go to Danks, then to go trading for someone like Wandy Rodriguez…. and we will finally open up ST signing Vincente Padilla and Joe Blanton to compete for the 5th spot

    and like others have said, he doesn’t have the trade deadline to bail him out this year considering the 2nd WC is going to make the market pretty bare. Cash is going to sink or swim with guys like Noesi, Betances, Hughes, Nova, etc. and chances are, he is going to sink. Too bad – not like there was lack of options this winter either.

  140. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Given the likelihood that AJ is unmovable, I’d think the Yankees have already woken up and explored some kind of market for Phil Hughes. Since they’re stuck with AJ, Hughes is the most likely to go…unless they used Nova in a trade for an ace.

  141. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    And that’s highly unlikely.

  142. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    The Yankees are not going to overpay for mediocrity. I don’t really understand why so many people are having difficulty understanding that.

    And they are not going to overpay for slight upgrades that they may be able to cover from within.

    And they are not going to sign aging players to 2-year contracts. I’m sure they’d be all over Beltran for one year.

  143. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Why do they have to trade anyone???

    Why, if they can’t move AJ, should they move Hughes or Nova? For WHOM?????

    Who is available? Who is even being slightly dangled?

    I’d rather take my chances that Hughes shows he can bounce back, and Nova can maintain than take a chance on the mediocrity that is out there.

  144. blake December 20th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Spots where there MIGHT be interest in AJ: Nats, Marlins, Padres, Dbacks, Giants, Twins…..

  145. upstate kate December 20th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    sometimes I think I must be in a parallel universe…are people watching the same team I am? The team that had the best record in the AL last year?

  146. CB December 20th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    “I agree that it is something the Yankees are looking to do and hope to accomplish. I just don’t see any takers within the limited market there might even be for him.”

    My only point is that I think they are trying to trade him. That’s it. Whether or not they can do it – that remains to be seen.

    Again-no one thought Lowe was “movable” either. Given how scarce pitching is if the Yanks take on money I think they can deal him.

    We’ll see.

  147. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    A major limiting factor is the 50 million dollars Arod and Tex make. When you allocate one quarter of your budget to 2 players out of 40, it’s kind of hard to upgrade your roster across the board.

  148. ac1 December 20th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    A major limiting factor is the 50 million dollars Arod and Tex make. When you allocate one quarter of your budget to 2 players out of 40, it’s kind of hard to upgrade your roster across the board.

    ___

    And 24 for CC and the 20+ for Cano after next season…
    and 17 for Jeter

  149. CB December 20th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    “sometimes I think I must be in a parallel universe…are people watching the same team I am? The team that had the best record in the AL last year?”

    That’s the really sad thing. So many yankees fans have become a miserable lot. Their main engagement with the team is to be frustrated by it or even hate it.

    They have levels of expectations that are set up to make them perpetually disgruntled.

    One of the major differences in the WS victory in 2009 was how little it was enjoyed and how quickly it was forgotten.

    It’s really quite sad. There’s a kind of self-loathing involved that really unfortunate.

  150. blake December 20th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Don’t let Kate fool you…..she’s been lusting after Matt Garza for weeks :) I kid I kid.

  151. upstate kate December 20th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    why yes I have!!!
    I don’t have a problem w/ people wanting to improve the team, there is always room for improvement.

  152. CB December 20th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    One could set up a very similar meme about Yankee fans:

    http://first-world-problems.com/

    Yankee-fan-problems.com

    I nominate LGY to start it!

  153. Wave Your Hat December 20th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    LGY just wants the Yanks to be the best they can possibly be.

    I see nothing wrong with that.

  154. blake December 20th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Have to think LGY would mention something about Kuroda

  155. CB December 20th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    “LGY just wants the Yanks to be the best they can possibly be.

    I see nothing wrong with that.”

    No! My post wasn’t a dig at LGY in anyway. His suggestions are always reasonable.

    I was more referring to the humor involved and driving the meme. Thought he could generate the needed buzz.

    Actually, forget LGY.

    Nick- where are you?

  156. upstate kate December 20th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    just for the record…I have no problem w/ LGY, or his lust for KURODA

  157. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    - BLAKE -
    I know where yer headed. Some kinda Swish for Jurrjens deal, then sign Beltran to patrol RF. I LIKE IT.

  158. David in Cal December 20th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    I am confused. I read that the Yanks’ biggest need is pitching and that they’re concerned about keeping their2014 payroll below the penalty level. Yet, they seem to be making no move to obtain good pitchers on contracts that won’t impact their 2014 payroll. Maybe the reality is that they just don’t want to spend much more money.

  159. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    One could set up a very similar meme about Yankee fans:

    http://first-world-problems.com/

    Yankee-fan-problems.com

    I nominate LGY to start it!

    ——————-

    :D

  160. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Actually, forget LGY.

    Nick- where are you?

    ———————–

    :(

  161. Red Robin December 20th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    ” Maybe we can give Sidney Ponson another shot???? ”

    No .

    The Yankees are clamoring for a return of the famed Darrell Rasner .

  162. Red Robin December 20th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    :(

  163. 108 stitches December 20th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I like what Hector Noesi has done over the last several weeks to build up his innings count for what he missed during the 2011 season from being shuttled back and forth between AAA and the big team.
    I’d love to see him and Phil Hughes nudge Burnett completely out of the starting rotation as the No. 3 & 4 starters unless Cashman has found a taker for Burnett before spring training. This would also provide incentive for Warren, Phelps, and Mitchell to be watched very closely.

  164. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Here’s a Post article on Phil Hughes’ training sessions at API in California

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....um=twitter

  165. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 20th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    You left out an important piece of info Chad…the Yankees are shopping Burnett.

    Is it worth absorbing, say, $13M over two years to get this guy out of New York?

    Answer is yes, assuming we can bring in one of Oswalt or Kuroda.

    Texas is a Texas-sized !diot for posting a $51M bid on Darvish. I don’t care how good he may be, they’re going to end up investing probably $125M on that guy between the contract and posting fee.

  166. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Donny,

    Id head there if the Braves didn’t want a lot more than Swisher for Jair……but my guess is they would.

  167. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Thanks for the article GB.

    :)

  168. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Isn’t Jurrjens an NL CHUCKER?

  169. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    - BLAKE -
    Yanks also can expand the deal with ATL by adding Naka or Nunez, or any other deal they pursue. The addition of Naka gives Cashman an option.

  170. DaSaint007 December 20th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    MLBTR.com:
    •Several teams are kicking the tires on acquiring A.J. Burnett, but the Yankees will have to absorb significant salary to make a deal and Burnett can veto trades to ten teams per year, according to George A. King III of the New York Post.

  171. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    -LGY -
    He is, but the Yanks are hurtin’ for SP, and I prefer Beltran over Swish in RF. Plus, Swish is either gonna cost some coin or walk inna year.

  172. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    CB -

    I think one difference with Derek Lowe was the level of expectations to being with – AJ was expected to do very well with the Yankees (if he stayed healthy, which he has).

    And you made a point I have made here before, that the 2009 WS victory was treated as a checklist item and as soon as the parade was over, the griping began.

    Very sad.


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