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Yankees hopeful Adams will be ready for spring training

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 20, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When the Yankees chose to protect five eligible players from the Rule 5 draft last month, the most unusual choice was second baseman David Adams. It wasn’t necessarily a bad choice — Adams has a potent bat, and it’s not out of the question he could stick on a big league roster or be hidden on a 60-day disabled list — but it was unusual because Adams hasn’t played anything close to a full season since 2009.

The Yankees, though, believe in his ability to hit — especially for a second baseman — and they’re hopeful that a lingering ankle injury will finally go away so Adams can get back on track and keep taking steps toward the big leagues.

“He’s still rehabbing,” Mark Newman said earlier today. “We’ll see how it goes. We’re hopeful. He works his rear end off. He’s a fabulous guy, and he’s got ability.”

Newman admitted that he couldn’t remember a player in Adams’ situation being protected, but the Yankees didn’t want to risk losing the former third-round draft pick.

Drafted out of the University of Virginia in 2008, Adams opened in Double-A less than two years later. He was hitting .309/.393/.507 through 39 games in 2010 — putting up numbers hard to ignore from a second baseman — when a ankle injury sent him to the disabled list. Initially labeled a sprain, later tests finally revealed a broken bone, at which point Adams had to shut down everything.

He played only 29 games last season, none past early August, and right now he’s rehabbing down in southern Florida. At this point, it’s mostly about building strength, Newman said. The injury actually bothers Adams more when he runs straight ahead, not so much side-to-side. It’s been a long process, but Adams is scheduled to show up in Tampa for early spring training work in mid-January.

“I’ve never heard of someboby losing their career because of this,” Newman said.

By protecting him on the 40-man, the Yankees made sure they wouldn’t lose the player either.

 
 

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150 Responses to “Yankees hopeful Adams will be ready for spring training”

  1. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    This guy needs to learn how to smile.

    Looks like a prison mugshot.

    :)

  2. DaSaint007 December 20th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    •Several teams are kicking the tires on acquiring A.J. Burnett, but the Yankees will have to absorb significant salary to make a deal and Burnett can veto trades to ten teams per year, according to George A. King III of the New York Post.

  3. DaSaint007 December 20th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    I hope he rehabs completely so he can be traded. No room at the Yankee Inn @ 2B.
    Let’s add him to the long list of young, tradable pieces: Mitchell, Warren, Phelps, Laird, Curtis, Dickerson, Maxwell, Romine, Sanchez.

  4. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    If he was smiling after missing most of two years, somebody would have accused him of mugging for the camera and not taking his career seriously after laying out for 2 years.

  5. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    I would get ahold of Theo and work toward an AJ, (Yanks eat half of contract) and Nunez or Naka for Garza.

  6. raymagnetic December 20th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Can’t believe the guy is still injured after all this time. That’s crazy.

  7. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    “I would get ahold of Theo and work toward an AJ, (Yanks eat half of contract) and Nunez or Naka for Garza.”

    Thats not close to enough for Garza. Id trade Swisher and Nunez for Jurrjins if the Braves would and I knew Beltran would accept a two year deal…..that’s a couple of big IFS though

  8. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    If there is a taker for AJ, I believe AJ will welcome the change. As much as I think he really enjoys playing with the Yankees and some of the players on that team, it has got to be gut-wrenching to face the media and dissect every start. And he has. He hasn’t been what we hoped for on the mound, but AJ has nothing to be ashamed of. He has been a stand-up guy, and has worked hard. The results weren’t always there, but the effort was.

    Plus, I always found it rather sad that when he DID pitch well, he often got no run support and either a loss or a ND. When he had nothing, well, that was just sad….

  9. DaSaint007 December 20th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Donny,

    I was thinking the same thing. I wish I could package AJ and either Nunez or Naka, plus some young arms for Garza and Marshall. Who knows? Only 5 more days to Christmas.

  10. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 20m mariners made prince fielder an offer (or at least told him what they’d pay). seattle people love him but said to have $ limits

  11. antisocial scrooge December 20th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    adams looks like a young GGBG.

  12. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Blake-

    I read somewhere that Beltran has numerous offers some of which are for more than 2 years.

    I would not trade Swisher and Nunez for JJ.

    Not with his injury history.

    Besides as you point out we would need a Swisher replacement.

    So it’s moot anyway.

    let’s get prado and o’flaherty instead.

  13. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    I’m hoping that Adams can learn to play a competent 3rd base and corner outfield spts. that would free Corbin Joseph up as trade material. He’s definately not going to play shortstop, but, what a help he could be to the team as a bat and glove off the bench. Nakajima and Chavez wouldn’t be around after another year and with him and Nunez backing the infield, Yanks could be in great shape for a while.

  14. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Cubs still in need of a 3B. I don’t believe AJ and Nunez for Garza is outta line. Nunez is highly sought after, and AJ would be a cheap SP for 2 seasons. I like the ATL scenario better due to switching Beltran for Swish.

  15. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Villa,

    Yea I think would benefit all parties for AJ to get a fresh start somewhere…..

  16. DaSaint007 December 20th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Not that the Cubbies want to add any salary, but how about AJ, Nunez/Naka, Swisher, Sanchez, and any 1 of Warren/Phelps/Mitchell, for Garza and Marshall.

    Then I sign Beltran to a 2 year deal, and Soler – ship him to the minors for a couple years of seasoning.

  17. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Blake-

    Of course the M’s love Fielder.

    Why wouldn’t they ?

    They have no offense.

    :)

  18. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Theo can get a lot more for Garza than AJ Burnett and Nunez from another team……also adding AJ and subtracting Garza makes them a lot worse for 2012. I don’t think they’d value Nunez nearly enough to do that.

  19. raymagnetic December 20th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    If the Yankees are trading outfielders then Swisher isn’t the one you trade.

  20. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I can’t see the Cubs having any interest in AJ unless the Yanks ate his entire contract…..and then its counterproductive for the Yanks to trade him.

    MTU,
    We don’t know how.much Beltran would value winning and a return to NY at this poi t in his career.

  21. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    I would get ahold of Theo and work toward an AJ, (Yanks eat half of contract) and Nunez or Naka for Garza.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Just like with Chip, you couldn’t be trusted to get full value out of trading a Ron Swaboda baseball card.

  22. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Blake-

    We don’t but I don’t think he is coming.

    Sorry dude.

    :(

  23. 108 stitches December 20th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    I would get ahold of Theo and work toward an AJ, (Yanks eat half of contract) and Nunez or Naka for Garza.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And who replaces Nunez if he goes ?

  24. jacksquat December 20th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    AJ + Nunez for Garza is not gonna happen.

  25. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    - 108 -
    Naka replaces Nunez.

  26. DocTodd December 20th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Yankee bid on Darvish was $20 million…

  27. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    “And who replaces Nunez if he goes ?”

    In that deal….who cares? Your getting two years of Garza for a back up infielder and AJ……which is also why the cubs wouldn’t do it.

  28. jacksquat December 20th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    On the Mariners Fielder could hit 40 homeruns and maybe 50 runs would score on those homeruns.

  29. comet December 20th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Blake in all due respect I don’t want Jurrjins! His velocity is down and he has knee problems.

    I like your idea of signing Beltran IF we can move Swisher for a significant return. Unfortunately I don’t think Swisher would bring a lot in a trade. Maybe some good prospects but not much in terms of good MLB players.

    Have a great Christmas!

  30. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Swaboda was overrated. One catch doth Not a career make.

  31. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Todd-

    plus 10 to 12 mil for 5 years

    AAV about what you would give for a #2 or #3 pitcher which how the Yankees must have seen him.

    Texas valued him as an ace.

    They paid accordingly.

  32. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Comet,

    Jair wouldn’t be my top trade target because of the knee (which is why his velo was down) but if I could swap Swisher and Nunez for Beltran and Jurrjins Id have to do that I think…….

  33. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    You guys undervalue Nunez. The guy is young, improving, and currently the backup 3b to a super star\ A-ROD. Nuff said.

  34. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Blake-

    You have a fetish for guys with bum knees.

    :)

  35. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    I like that ATL scenario. Chancy with JJ involved, but the risk\reward makes it worth doing.

  36. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    simon, i would trade Nunez or Sanchez but would send Romine. They need a Corbin Joseph type in a trade. If they can do a sign and trade on Nakajima, that would be better. Cubs might be better off with Beltran than Swisher. Cubs then would soon (maybe by the trading dealine) to trade their catcher, Giovanni Soto for some young quality players.

  37. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    MTU,

    Lol….coincidental

  38. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
    Swaboda was overrated. One catch doth Not a career make.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    That’s the point. Your trade suggestions are as stupid as his. I suspect that they kicked you off of the Daily News blog for trolling there, too.

  39. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    You aren’t getting Garza without including at least one top prospect.

  40. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Clay Kershaw
    Matthew Moore
    David Price
    Jon Lestah

    These are lefties I really want.

    Now I just need to get one of them.

  41. Triple Short of a Cycle December 20th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    You aren’t getting Garza without including at least one top prospect.

    —————————————————————

    +1

  42. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Price will be available soon……the Rays just wont trade him to the Yankees.

  43. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Blake-

    That’s where Towers comes in.

    ;)

  44. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    - 7 -
    Now, why you gotta go the insult route? Try another fire hydrant.

  45. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Price’s agent was smart enough to put an opt out in that cheapo contract he signed…….so now he’s going to clean up in arbitration over the next 4 seasons……Evan Longoria is jealous

  46. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    I understand Towers had an offer waiting on Kuroda’s Yes\No for 3 weeks. Towers finally got tired of waiting around and spent the $$$ on Kubel.

  47. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    MTU,

    3 way with the Dbacks?

  48. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Blake-

    There ya’ go.

    Smart boy.

    Thing is I really want to pry away Moore.

    :)

  49. blake December 20th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Towers is really good….wish the Yanks had held on to him somehow. He’s assembled a pipeline of young pitching out there…….

  50. blake December 20th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    MTU,

    Moore may be one of the least available players in baseball….unfortunately ;)

  51. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Blake-

    Yeah. He’s puttin’ it together.

    Trouble is that means we don’t get JU.

    :(

  52. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    I just don’t see Tampa parting with Moore. Sky’s the limit right now with that kid.

  53. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Blake-

    I know.

    I covet Moore.

    A feller can dream can’t he ?

    Manny might be almost as good someday.

    He’s our stud lefty.

  54. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    DB-

    Yeah. Just joking. And dreaming.

    I have not been so impressed with a young arm in a long, long time.

  55. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    He appears to be the Real Deal.

  56. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    He IS the real deal.

    Just has to stay healthy.

    Don’t thank me for fixin’ that for ya’.

    ;)

  57. Red Robin December 20th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Is ” The Adventures of Tin Tin ” Spielberg’s movie on that dog Rin Tin Tin ?

    The name Tin Tin has been flying around so much lately , I’ve lost track .

  58. blake December 20th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    MTU,

    I would rather have Moore than Strausburg…..maybe rather than any young pitcher in the game other than Kershaw.

  59. DONNYBROOK December 20th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Texas was very fortunate to get by him in the Playoffs.

  60. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Kershaw is proven.

  61. tomingeorgia December 20th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    When I first came across this blog last winter, the conversation was exactly the same: the pitching sucks, Cashman sucks, and on and on and on. The truth is, we’re still the best team in the AL, we didn’t drop $50 million onto the roulette table, and something will happen to make our Yankees better. Count on it.

  62. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    You people covet anything and everything that isn’t in pinstripes.

    Moore may actually end up being “all that,” he certainly made an incredible first impression and comes with all the bells and whistles.

    But don’t you think you’re getting just a little bit ahead of yourselves?

    Anything can happen.

  63. mick December 20th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    When I first came across this blog last winter, the conversation was exactly the same: the pitching sucks, Cashman sucks, and on and on and on. The truth is, we’re still the best team in the AL, we didn’t drop $50 million onto the roulette table, and something will happen to make our Yankees better. Count on it.
    ================
    Tom,
    Is it the immature youth or the crotchety old whiners that are guilty?

  64. blake December 20th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    “You people covet anything and everything that isn’t in pinstripes.”

    How can you covet something you already have? Were just talking baseball…….

  65. mick December 20th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Swaboda?
    It’s Swoboda.

  66. blake December 20th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    And yea…..Moore is still pretty improven……and nothing is guaranteed in this game…….but he’s one of the most polished and impressive young pitchers I’ve seen when they first came up.

  67. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Blake-

    2nd’ed.

    Kid makes it look easy.

  68. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    blake -

    The narrative here day to day over the years is that no current Yankee is really good enough and nirvana exists on every other team.

    The GM stinks, the ownership is getting cheap, the manager is too cerebral, the players don’t work hard enough and gee, can’t even figure out they need to work on things.

    It’s ridiculous.

    People couldn’t wait for Montero to be ready, and now that he is, they downgrade him.

    You may be talking baseball, but it is difficult to come here and continually read about what a boring, non-productive team the yankees are, who, coming off a 97 win season need to make major improvements just because.

    To have people continually say GMS would do this or that and never really go back and look at what some of those moves did or did not accomplish.

    Other pitchers on other teams are allowed to have a growing period, but Phil Hughes is a bust. The Yankees need to have a farm system, but heaven forbid they actually want to use those players for themselves. The Yankees “don’t need an all-star at every position” but heaven forbid they don’t get the latest all-star.

  69. mick December 20th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    The Yankees “don’t need an all-star at every position” but heaven forbid they don’t get the latest all-star.
    ================================
    I repeat what I said before:

    Is it the immature youth or the crotchety old whiners that are guilty?

  70. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    After watching the Robertson interview and picking up about 3 MPH on his fastball and located more control when he lengthened his stride. Has Chamberlain and Hughes lost control speed by shortening theirs? Would be curious to find old tapes and try to measure any difference.

  71. mick December 20th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    You may be talking baseball, but it is difficult to come here and continually read about what a boring, non-productive team the yankees are, who, coming off a 97 win season need to make major improvements just because.
    =========================
    Boring is a word used by the bored who are boring.

  72. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    people who delight in being smart-a@#$% don’t help this blog.

  73. Pat M. December 20th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    The way many droll over the young lefty Matt Moore reminds me of a young Yankee right hander who’s brightness was blinding back in the mid 70′s by the name of Gil Patterson…….He was a rightly of course, but he had the same type of brilliance that Matt Moore has displayed……Shame how things went for Gil because he was some knid of talent….

  74. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    mick -

    Why pigeonhole?

    No one knows for sure who or what anyone is here.

  75. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Pat M,

    Guidry said the same thing. He called Patterson’s arm a once in a generation arm and the best prospect that he ever saw. Better than Guidry himself, Al Lieter and the rest of them. Still wish he was back in the organization, teaching.

  76. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Pat M.-

    Was Brien Taylor that kind of arm before he got hurt ?

    I never got a chance to see him.

  77. disco stu December 20th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya -

    The frustration that I feel is in knowing that the Yankees lack quality depth behind CC, yet seem perfectly content to go with what they have. Yeah, if all the stars align then people like myself can eat crow … and will do so willingly.

    But I dont think this is all about spoiled Yankees feeling a sense of entitlement … it is more about recognizing that there is a glaring need that has not been filled since Andy retired and with each potential FA that comes off the board or another pitcher is traded who the Yankees may could have used there is a growing sense of uneasiness.

    Why should fans not want to see their team improve itself if they feel there is a need to do so … if you want to debate anything, then lets debate whether or not the Yankees are a complete team that can win a championship as presently constituted … personally, they are an Andy Pettitte-type pitcher short of doing that.

    The Yankees are about winning championships, not taking bows for winning 97 games and flaming out in the ALDS – last I looked the YES Network calls itself the home of the 27 time World Series Champion New York Yankees … not the 49 time Post Season Participant New York Yankees.

    The fans expectations begin and end with the way the Yankees themselves have promoted and marketed themselves for years.

  78. blake December 20th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    “The narrative here day to day over the years is that no current Yankee is really good enough and nirvana exists on every other team.”

    I don’t think so…I think people are just bored and there is nothing else to talk about

  79. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    GB-

    You got to see Brien Taylor.

    Did he have an arm like Moore before he was injured ?

  80. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Just as those that say not to rush to judgement on Nova after one year, they have few issues rushing to judgement on Chamberlain and hughes after one season. How about some consistancy in your thoughts. It may not fit your agenda, but, at least it doesn’t make you look like a hypocrite or a know-nothing blowhard.

  81. blake December 20th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    I don’t think thinking about and exploring ways that you feel could make the team better means you think the team isn’t any good……we should hope Cashman is doing the same and Im sure he is.

  82. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    MTU, only in a couple of high school games in the area I was in. he didn’t pitch around there as a pro while i was there.

  83. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Thanks GB.

    I thought perhaps you knew more.

  84. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Haven’t seen a lot of Moore, except for a game or two on TV. Mostly reminds me of a young Al Leiter when he was healthy. Leiter was an ace in waiting until he ran into Billy Martin and Art Fowler. Moore may have been a little more over the top than Leiter.

  85. tomingeorgia December 20th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    mick,
    I’m crotchety and old, but I don’t whine. I don’t care how old anyone is, but i do reject the speculation.

  86. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Brien Taylor is one of the best examples of young talent that never panned out, or never got a chance. There are countless others, and not just in athletics. Success is, sometimes, due to stars aligning.

    My family has one of those, as I was just reminded on a phone call. ’nuff said.

  87. Pat M. December 20th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    MTU…..People who I’ve talked to over the years say that as good as Taylor was and he had the goods, most say that Gil Patterson could have been Roger Clemens a decade before Roger Clemens……

  88. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Thanks Pat.

    Appreciate the feedback.

    Patterson must have really been something.

    What was his repetoire like ? What was his out pitch ?

    Did he bring the gas ?

  89. blake December 20th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    The biggest thing for me with Moore isnt that he can touch 98…..its how he throws 98…..very solid mechanically….throws downhill….and the arm action is silky smooth…..add a plus CU , and plus breaking ball…..and plus command on top of that and its a pretty impressive package.

    Good news is that Manny B has a lot of those very same qualities and is in AAA at the same age Moore was in A ball……Moore probably has more upside and a tick better pure stuff……butthe if Banuelos’s command clicks he’s going to be very very good.

  90. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Blake-

    We see the same things in Moore.

    The ease with which he delivers the ball is just incredible.

    Another young guy that has tremendous easy gas IMO is Neftali Feliz.

    Guy looks like he is barely breaking a sweat then Whamo.

    Killer FB.

  91. Villa Nova-Ya December 20th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    disco stu -

    For the record, I, too, think the yankees could use a solid lefty in the rotation. But there aren’t any available, or the ones who are Kind of available come with a price tag that I consider too high to pay – our best homegrown bat since Cano (and who could be better ), and our very own solid lefty.

    It’s no so much the specifics of the discussions – after all it is a blog, – but the tone that gets to me at times.

    And while the Yankees do promote themselves as 27-time world champions, championships are not that easy to come by these days, and they are not a birthright, and the money does have its limits. In addition, I have always been a fan that appreciates the WS, but asks only that my team be in contention for the WS as many years as possible, and so, I am seldom disappointed by the Yankees. How many other teams’ fans can say that?

  92. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Sickest FB in Baseball right now.

    Justin Verlander.

    Insane movement and velocity.

  93. DocTodd December 20th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    If this Adams guy were a horse, they would have put him down 2 years ago…..

  94. blake December 20th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    The ease with which he delivers the ball is just incredible.”

    It really is……plays catch at 95

  95. DaSaint007 December 20th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    GB, didn’t get to respond to earlier, as I’m still in the office. But I basically agreed with you. I think Romine would have to be included. Do I see the Cubbies even sniffing an AJ for Garza deal? No, honestly. All just wishful thinking. I do think the Cubbies are in rebuilding mode, so moving some of the higher priced salaries for good young talent and/or short-term veterans is probably the way Theo is heading, at least for the next 3-4 years.

    Garza does them no good now, but moving him for prospects/cost-controlled talent does.
    Marshall does them limited good now, so the same applies.

    Would Beltran want to be in a rebuilding situation or a win-now situation at age 35? Win-now. So Cubbies, Mets, Baltimore, Astros, Mariners (unless they get Prince), and White Sox would be out. Yankees, boston, Marlins, St. Louis, Angels, would seem preferrable. But for the record, I’d rather stick with Swisher for 1 year than sign Beltran. Swish was not the problem.

  96. RadioKev December 20th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    The Yankees not pursuing Oswalt or Kuroda is ridiculous.

  97. MTU December 20th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Blake -

    Must be all that fresh NM air growin’ up.

    ;)

  98. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Jack Curry is convinced the Yankees will go into the 2012 season with this rotation:

    CC Sabathia
    Ivan Nova
    Freddy Garcia
    AJ Burnett
    Phil Hughes

    He said Cashman believes he has the depth (Noesi, Banuelos, Betances, Warren, Mitchell, Phelps) to wait out the trade market for starting pitchers.

    Is there a single person out there who believes the price tag on starters will be any cheaper at the trade deadline?

  99. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Bret – I think that rotation will be it, with the exception of Noesi for AJ. AJ will be byebye, I think and hope.

    RadioKev – how do you know for sure? Personally, I wouldn’t rely on the media for the latest and most accurate info. I think we don’t know 90-95% of what is discussed by GMs. Just my opinion.

  100. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Joe,

    Are you saying that Cashman and company will be shut out again at the trade deadline?

  101. DocTodd December 20th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    The days of a cheap quality starter on the trade market are over.Any team that has a really good starting pitcher can get a King’s ransom.I wouldn’t mind them signing Oswalt or Kuroda for one year, just until the 2 Bs are ready.

  102. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    simon, Beltran is a place holder, but, i think he goes to st. Louis more than the Cubs. Right now, Swisher has no replacement ready, so doubtful he gets moved. Cubbies have their shortstop for years to come in Starlin Castro and he’s 21 with two outstanding seasons in the bank. Not sure how deep they are into Darwin barney at 2nd base. They need outfield and third base help and pitching and a lot of it. They traded much of their best getting Garza. Marshall, Garza and Carlos Marmol are probably their best trading material. Wouldn’t mind seeing Byrd if the Yanks fail on bringing Jones back. if Romine goes in a deal, they could get quite a lot in return for Soto at the break,

  103. DaSaint007 December 20th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    It’s sad that with a lineup that includes Jeter, Cano, Tex, ARod, Granderson, Swisher, and now Montero, we don’t think we can at least equal if not exceed the run production we had last season. And that doesn’t account for the contributions of Gardner, Martin, and Nunez.

    We should be able to score 6 runs per game even if we had a team ERA of 5. The rotation as posed by Bret should be sufficient. And that doesn’t even account for closing games with Soriano, Robertson, and Rivera.

    Almost doesn’t seem fair. Almost.

  104. mick December 20th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    mick,
    I’m crotchety and old, but I don’t whine. I don’t care how old anyone is, but i do reject the speculation.
    ================================
    I should correct myself, Tom.
    Whiners was not the correct word.
    Perfectionists might be closer.
    Those who think the Yankee dynasty began in 1996 and those who know the real Yankee dynasty began with Ruth and ran through 1964 have a lot in common.

  105. DocTodd December 20th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Do Warren, Mitchell and Phelps have any value on the trade market?? Anyone’s take???

  106. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    If they aren’t going to upgrade the rotation, what is the excuse for not signing Beltran and upgrading the lineup?

  107. Against All Odds December 20th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    The thing about waiting for the deadline with another WC being added whether it’s this yr or next more teams will be looking to buy instead of sell.

  108. blake December 20th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
    Padres&Rays are not matching up that well in a potential Rizzo deal at this point according to a source;Padres have been flooded w/interest
    3 hours ago

  109. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Bret – you mean the trade deadline in July? That’s a long ways away. For right now, people seem to be valuing starting pitching so highly, that a deal is going to be virtually prohibitive. Again, it’s going to come down to price and value.

    The Yanks seem to be well positioned, with guys like Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, Noesi, Banuelos, Betances. Until their actually thrown into the bigs, we have no idea for sure, but I think that having such a number of them makes it more likely that some of them will be productive. I think that’s more than a lot of teams, so I find that comforting.

    ST is, what, 60 or so days away? That’s when the real fun starts.

  110. DaSaint007 December 20th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
    If they aren’t going to upgrade the rotation, what is the excuse for not signing Beltran and upgrading the lineup?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Remember when we used to complain about adding aging stars? Beltran has aged. Has been brittle. And is no longer a star. He’s not worth a 3 year commitment. If Cuddyear and Willingham can get 3 year contracts, so will Beltran.

  111. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Joe,

    Depth is one thing, but the development of a #2 starter from within can take years. If Cashman thinks the price of pitching is going to come down at the trade deadline and that he can wait until it does, he’s going to be waiting for a looong time.

    I feel comforted by depth but when you start waiting for pitchers to develop, 1 year, 2 years, you start giving up valuable time.

    I’m really disappointed that no GM likes Montero enough to settle for B prospects with him included in a trade proposal. They all seem to want Montero + much much more. You would think with the way we talk about him here, GM’s would be thrilled to just have a chance to get him straight up for their ace.

  112. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    DaSaint,

    But Beltran is still 5 years younger than Jorge Posada.

    He could be a productive DH for 3 years easily and still back up LF and RF as the 4th OF in a pinch.

  113. tomingeorgia December 20th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    mick,
    I went through the late 60s, then the 80s. I know how Mets fans feel right now. The Yankees are one of the best-managed teams in MLB. They will win some, lose some, but I think I’ll go to my grave before I think they’re not trying to win more than they lose.

  114. Pat M. December 20th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Disco Stu is going to be disappointed come Christmas morning as his wish list cannot be filled once again……

  115. blake December 20th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Beltran has been a .900 OPS bat nearly every year he’s been healthy…..and that’s been virtually every season except 2009 and 2010 when he dealt with the knee issue. He’s been a very durable player in general in his career aside from the microfracture surgery…..played at least 140 games in 9 of the last 11 seasons.

  116. mick December 20th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Met fans are like Jets fans. They have no winning tradition.
    Yankee fans and Giant fans have that tradition in common, the Yanks with the greatest winning pedigree of course.
    Met fans are not as spoiled as the typical Yankee fan who expects to win and thinks they are entitled to it.

  117. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Since Montero is going to be the main DH and catch, will Beltran settle for a 1 year $1.5 mil with incentives bench job? If yes, sign him. if not, wave as he walks by and sticks his nose up against the window.

  118. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    blake – and now, Beltran is older and has more of an injury history. Personally, I’d be skeptical of ditching a healthy Swisher for Beltran. We’d be one DL stint away from Andruw Jones and Colin Curtis in RF. And, if you use Beltran for DH, what do you do with Mr. Montero?

    As far as SP goes, you said it, it comes down to price, and other GMs seem to be unrealistic right now.

  119. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    I’m sorry, I was distracted, that last sentence about SP was for my friend, Bret.

  120. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Joe,

    as I’ve said…..I’d only sign Beltran if it were on a 2 year or less deal….and if I could trade Swisher for something of real value. I wouldn’t make the swap just to make it but if you could get value for Swisher then I’d like signing Beltran to a short term deal to replace him.

    Again….I really don’t want to get into a situation with Swisher next winter where he is the only quality option out there and he’s standing there holding his hand out waiting for the big bucks.

  121. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    And, if you use Beltran for DH, what do you do with Mr. Montero?

    *********

    He’s supposed to be the catcher of the future right? So groom him more in AAA as a full-time catcher until he’s ready to catch after Martin’s contract ends.

    If Montero is being earmarked for primary DH duties then I think it’s fair to ask if he’s more valuable in a trade than as a DH.

    If Beltran gets injured, Montero is first callup.

    If Cervelli or Martin go down, Montero is first callup.

    The point is to upgrade the lineup with Beltran as your primary DH until Montero is ready to catch. If that’s never going to happen, how much is Montero really worth clogging up the DH spot?

  122. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    The farm team that the Mets are dropping will be their Rookie short season team in the GCL

  123. RadioKev December 20th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    blake – and now, Beltran is older and has more of an injury history. Personally, I’d be skeptical of ditching a healthy Swisher for Beltran.
    ———–

    Bingo. Swisher is such a consistent good player, and this is a walk year. I just don’t see it going with Beltran.

  124. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Montero is ready to hit….they are going to ease him in to the catching rotation at the big league level no matter how long he plays in AAA….so they might as well get him going there next year.

  125. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Why can’t they sign Beltran and ease Montero into a catching role by letting him catch full-time in the minors and get games behind the plate in the bigs as first callup? Either way he’s going to get reps behind the plate in the bigs, right?

  126. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    maybe the Yankees can swing a deal and trade Montero for David Dejesus straight up. If necessary, NY could add maybe Banuelos to the deal to cement the trade.

  127. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Swisher is a good player….but he IS in his walk year and I wouldn’t want to make a big long term commitment to him personally….so if there a deal out there to get value for him then I’d listen…..there may not be any trade to make with him that makes sense and if not that’s fine.

  128. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Bret – why wouldn’t Montero have good value to the Yankees as a DH? Edgar Maritinez was a pretty good value for the Mariners, and is a potential HOFer as a DH. David Ortiz, steroids or not, was a devastating bat in that lineup and arguably their MVP for a few years. Who’s to say that Montero can’t have that sort of impact.

  129. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    “Either way he’s going to get reps behind the plate in the bigs, right?”

    how is he going to get reps behind the plate in the big leagues in AAA?

  130. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Montero will be dead within a year if the rumors are correct. They say that he buys packaged meat from the grocery stores instead of from a butcher, who are known world wide for their cleanliness.

  131. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Joe,

    Beltran has good value as a DH as well. The point is you can cover DH easily when you need to. You can’t always get an ace or #2 starter though but you can maybe get better value by trading Montero for one. It just sucks that no GM is high enough on Montero that they’d settle for him straight up. They all are demanding Montero + Banuelos + much much more.

  132. LGY December 20th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Can pretty much end this discussion by pointing out Beltran won’t sign as a DH.

  133. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    “Either way he’s going to get reps behind the plate in the bigs, right?”

    how is he going to get reps behind the plate in the big leagues in AAA?

    ********

    There are many possible scenarios I’ve mentioned where he could get reps behind the plate in the bigs.

    1) Martin gets injured

    2) Cervelli gets injured

    3) Beltran or an OF go down and DH opens up and Montero gets starts over Cervelli as the backup during that stretch.

    It’s very possible that if you bring in Beltran as the primary DH and start Montero in AAA, he could get an equal number of reps behind the plate as he would without Beltran.

  134. blake December 20th, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    As LGY said….Beltran isn’t signing as a DH….and Montero is ready for the big time.

  135. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    1) Beltran wants to be a Yankee. He idolized Bernie Williams. He wanted to be a Yankee before he signed with the Mets.

    2) Beltran could prolong his career by resting at DH

    3) Beltran could still get reps in LF and RF and serve as the 4th OF or full-time guy in the event of an injury to one of the 3 starting outfielders.

    4) Beltran has never won a ring.

  136. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    Bret, I see we’re going to respectfully disagree on this one. I think/hope Montero turns out as good as Miguel Cabrera, and I wouldn’t trade Miguel Cabrera for a #2 starting pitcher. And the Yanks already have a #1 in CC. Call me optimistic, but that’s what I think. And hope.

    Montero has some nice swing.

  137. yclept December 20th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    It just sucks that no GM is high enough on Montero that they’d settle for him straight up. They all are demanding Montero + Banuelos + much much more.
    ——————-
    Well, there aren’t many prospects in baseball who can, by themselves, get you an established young major leaguer. Who wants one unproven for one proven?

    I am not sure if other franchises are really *demanding* all of that from the Yankees – but they are likely using it as a starting point…which is what any organization does. There’s probably a middle ground that can be reached if the Yankees were truly head over heals over a particular player. But let’s face it – Gio is a good pitcher with a horrendous walk rate. Danks is a safer pitcher, but is he so talented that you would give up a big package to get him?

    To me, the bottom line is that the pitchers who are seemingly available are not exactly great options. And since the elite pitchers aren’t on the market, teams like the A’s are trying to capitalize by asking for elite packages for less-than-elite pitchers.

  138. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    5) Money talks.

  139. mick December 20th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Boring is rehashing the same topics over and over and over again…
    That’s what boring is.
    Joba to start?

  140. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Joe In LI,

    You think Fielder might sign a $25 mil one year deal with Milwaukee to get him into a season with few big bat first basemen on the market? Would make sense at his age, because he could still be young enough to sign a couple of 5 year deals at the same kind of money.

  141. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Joe,

    Miguel Cabrera? I think that’s asking alot of Montero.

  142. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    According to the wiser baseball minds, Beltran is a loser type ball player because he has no rings. They spent years using that with Rodriguez and won a lot of followers.

  143. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    GB – I wouldn’t be surprised if Fielder pulled a “Beltre” and did just that, given that Boras represents both of them.

    The reason why I think he’s particularly lusting after the longest deal he could possibly get is that he really is worried that his days as a player who can play a position are numbered, and he wants to cash in for the biggest bucks while he still can say he plays a position.

    Under this scenario, if he did sign a one-year, it would be with an NL team, so that he could still demosntrate he can play 1B.

  144. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Bret – why not? If you think Gio can be a stud, then I can think Montero can be a phenomenal hitter. ;)

  145. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    I would love to see what Prince Fielder could do if he somehow could remain on a zero-carb or VLC ketogenic diet. He probably would harder without that gut slowing down his torso but overall the strain would decrease on his back and he’d probably last longer. He would look really weird without a gut because he’s so big boned.

  146. Bret The Hitman December 20th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    *He would probably swing harder

  147. Joe from Long Island December 20th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    that’s is for me tonight, thanks all for the chatter. have a good night, all.

  148. GreenBeret7 December 20th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Bob Lorenz trying to start a twitter fight. This could erupt into all0out war.

    He does enjoy his job, huh? Great sense of humor and doesn’t take himself too seriously, does he, Michael Kay?

    boblorenz Bob Lorenz
    RT MichelleDBeadle Just a tweet to say I have nothing to tweet. Carry on. – Why is this intriguing? Maybe a secret message to a spy? Hmm

  149. PhiltheThrill December 20th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Yanks shouldn’t trade Montero. They should sign Cespedes and Soler and keep waiting out the pitching market. Hopefully the owners won’t panic and spend a bunch on something we don’t need again this year.

  150. DaSaint007 December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Cashman and the Yankees are using something that many have difficulty with – discipline. They know what their needs are, yet they have valued the available options differently, and they know the talent and value of the talent they’ve been able to produce and are about to produce from their system.

    Right now the pitching market is prohibitively expensive. Montero + was an option for a Lee or Felix, but since there aren’t equal talents to those two options, then it makes sense that Montero+ would not be offered for less. Therefore Montero exits the equation. Period.

    Look at Austin Jackson. We all knew how talented he was, but nobody – nobody – saw a trade with Detroit coming, bringing back a better overall player. And Cash used what he had – excess pitching talent, knowing what was in the pipeline. Sure I would have preferred that IPK was still a Yankee, but the talent behind him may be just as good.


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