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A’s reportedly moving toward trading Gio Gonzalez

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 22, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Buster Olney is reporting that the Oakland A’s are making progress on a trade involving Gio Gonzalez. 

Olney speculates that the Nationals and Red Sox might be the top teams in the mix, and notes that the Yankees have not been heavily involved. 

Brian Cashman has been saying for weeks that asking prices on the trade market have been well beyond what he’s willing to pay, and the recent Mat Latos deal seemed to support the idea that young starting pitchers are generating massive prospect packages in return.

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587 Responses to “A’s reportedly moving toward trading Gio Gonzalez”

  1. Shame Spencer December 22nd, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    What the hell are the Red Sox trading for Gio?!

  2. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    I’d bet more on the Marlins and the Nationals over Boston. NYYs can top anything Boston has without using Montero, Banuelos and Betances.

  3. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    austinmac December 22nd, 2011 at 2:24 pm
    When Cashman said his off season plan was pitching, pitching,pitching, it is silly to interpret that as promotion, promotion, promotion. He wanted to add. Management won’t let him is how I see it.

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    NY can get through with what’s on hand until there’s a need…which doesn’t exist at this time and especially for the asking prices. Why by another spare of something you already have 4 extra of? Hal Steinbrenner and Cashman are looking at that 2014 time of restarting the penalty clock. Makes no difference how rich you are, but saving $40 mil a year isn’t exactly chump change. Another thing…Yanks have stockholders beyond the family that have to be appeased. What’s the purpose of having a farn system if you don’t trust it or the people you hire to oversee it. Just go out and buy everything?

  4. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Boston could be dangling Ellsbury.

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  6. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Yeah, right. They might be dangling dingleberries more than Ellsberry.

  7. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:39 pm
    Yeah, right. They might be dangling dingleberries more than Ellsberry.

    ————-

    There have been reports going back to 2010 that suggest Ellsbury is not particularly well liked among his teammates (most notably Youk) and that he’s not all that happy in Boston or with the organization over how they handled his injury riddled 2010 season. It’s possible that Boston thinks he’s unlikely to duplicate or exceed last year’s success and wants to capitalize on him at peak value.

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  9. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Oakland wants young players that won’t cost them anything more than minimum. they want multiple position players and young pitching. Two things Boston can’t supply and the Marlins and Nats want pitching and aren’t going to supply that for Boston. Ellsberry wouldn’t hit 20 homers in Oakland.

  10. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Ellsbury is a midget that just hit 32 HR’s… why wouldn’t you try to trade him? His value could not possibly be higher than it is right now.

  11. Shame Spencer December 22nd, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Boston could be dangling Ellsbury.

    —————–

    Is one year of Ellsbury enough, though? Or is he under contract for 2 more?

  12. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    Oakland wants young players that won’t cost them anything more than minimum. they want multiple position players and young pitching. Two things Boston can’t supply and the Marlins and Nats want pitching and aren’t going to supply that for Boston. Ellsberry wouldn’t hit 20 homers in Oakland.

    ———————–

    Actually Boston can offer those things:

    Ellsbury makes very little money and is young
    And if they also include Will Middlebrooks or Ryan Kalish that wouldn’t be such an awful deal for either side.

  13. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Shame Spencer December 22nd, 2011 at 2:46 pm
    Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Boston could be dangling Ellsbury.

    —————–

    Is one year of Ellsbury enough, though? Or is he under contract for 2 more?

    ————

    Longer than that – I don’t think he’s even hit arbitration yet.

  14. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    They won’t have to worry about Youkilis much longer. the team will be trashing him on the way out of town soon enough. They’re not likely to pick up his 2013 option.

  15. 86w183 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    I think Gio is very good. Yeah he walks too many, but has a world of talent and is only 25.

    Would love to know the price of acquiring him. Yankee Stadium is built for lefty pitching and they should have two in the rotation and two in the bullpen, ideally.

  16. RayVT December 22nd, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    The only way I see RSox involded on Gio is via a 3-way deal.

  17. Shame Spencer December 22nd, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Got it: Arb Eligible: 2012, Free Agent: 2014

    So two seasons, and after this year he’ll be getting a nice chunk of change if he can duplicate last year’s production. Not saying its likely, but if he does you’d have to think his price will rise.

  18. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    86w183 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:50 pm
    I think Gio is very good. Yeah he walks too many, but has a world of talent and is only 25.

    Would love to know the price of acquiring him. Yankee Stadium is built for lefty pitching and they should have two in the rotation and two in the bullpen, ideally.

    ————-

    I think based on what the Padres got for Mat Latos and the fact that Danks is off the board – the price for Gio is going to be sky high.

  19. UnKnown December 22nd, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    I hope it at least hurts this time if the Sux pick up Gio. Usually those suckers get pretty good deals on trades.

  20. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Shame Spencer December 22nd, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    Got it: Arb Eligible: 2012, Free Agent: 2014

    So two seasons, and after this year he’ll be getting a nice chunk of change if he can duplicate last year’s production. Not saying its likely, but if he does you’d have to think his price will rise.

    ———

    That’s true too – but it’s not unheard of for Beane to bring in a player that he knows he can’t keep for the sole purpose of dealing him later (Matt Holliday)

  21. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Ellsbury is a FA in 2014. The same year Boston will need to be under the “cap” while paying $21mil each to Crawford and A-Gon, $17mil for Beckett and $15mil for Lackey.

    They should probably move him before them.

    I don’t think they are out there pushing him right now… but if someone asks I doubt it’s off the table.

  22. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    ellsbury has a little over 4 years of ML time and is arbitration eligible in 2012. He’ll get his this year and next, then FA

  23. 86w183 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Ellsbury is arbitration eligible now… look for a big raise from $ 2.4 M

  24. Shame Spencer December 22nd, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    …I really hope the Sox gut their system for Gio but I don’t see it happening. Sounds like scare tactics.

  25. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Ellsbury for Gio makes Boston worse.

    They’d need to include Middlebrooks, Barnes, and Bogaerts I think and that totally would gut what’s left of their system

  26. Triple Short of a Cycle December 22nd, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    So is there any truth to us not being able to sign Kuroda due to payroll?

  27. DaSaint007 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    boston trades Ellsbury to Detroit.
    Detroit sends Austin Jackson and ??? to Oakland.
    boston gets back Gio from Oakland.

  28. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Gio has pitched well in one season. I think there needs to be more of a track record than he currently has to warrant an elite package of prospects from any team.

    A three way deal is certainly possible, though…especially if he’s going to Boston…good call RayVT.

  29. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Also…Beane would have no interest in Ellsbury with only 2 years left unless it was to flip him.somewhere else……and that’s complicated.

  30. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Maybe Beane is trying to bring in his old hard-on Youk.

    I swear, there was time in which it sounded like Beane was ready to blow Youk.

  31. 86w183 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Chip — but what is sky high? I don’t see the Yanks moving Nova (kills the point) or Montero but shouldn’t everyone else be on the table? Maybe if they take on Fuentes’ $ 5 M or Balfour’s $ 4.5 M the prospect price comes down a little?

  32. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    The Nationals are believed to be willing to include multiple top prospects for Gonzalez, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com . Prospects such as Brad Peacok , Destin Hood , Eury Perez and A.J. Cole could be available to the Athletics. Derek Norris is in the discussion, Olney writes.

  33. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Oakland has little interest in placating the fans with good players right now. They’re only looking at turning a profit.

  34. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    sorry left off the attribution, that was from mlb tr

  35. Shame Spencer December 22nd, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle December 22nd, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    So is there any truth to us not being able to sign Kuroda due to payroll?

    ——————

    If that’s really the case I think its bull.. $12 mil Kuroda on a one year deal doesn’t seem like it’d break the bank for the Yankees. If anything, I read that as they just aren’t that interested in his stuff. If they really wanted him and the only thing standing in the way was $12 million they’d do it… I think AJ is the thing thats actually standing in the way.

  36. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    If Oakland can get their hands on a young catcher, Suzuki would be the next to go.

  37. Shame Spencer December 22nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    The Nats are an interesting case…

    That division in general.. it’ll be interesting to keep an eye on.

  38. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    i think kuroda is trying to get a good deal to go back to japan and trying to use mlb teams to increase his price. if so, it would explain alot.

  39. 86w183 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Mad Prince —

    Gio is 31-21, 3.18 last two years. I’d say that’s more than one good year

    I am concerned about his HA splits (10-5, 2.63 / 13-13 3.78) but’s definitely one of the most attractive LHP out there.

  40. RhapsodyInBlue December 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Gio gave up a few homeruns last year, could be a good fit for half stadium.

  41. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

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  42. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Nobody’s talking on either side about whether NY has offered Kuroda a deal, but, he doesn’t seem to be in much of a rush to make a decision, either.

  43. RhapsodyInBlue December 22nd, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Whining Youk and his mellon leading the As to respectability.

    Funny if it happens.

  44. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Seems everyone in the NL East wants to get better…..except the Mets of course…..poor Mets and Orioles.

  45. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    What’s Cleveland offering NY? Duncan?

  46. Jerkface December 22nd, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Trade Swisher for Choo

  47. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Choo is a drunk. Keep Swisher :p

  48. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Swisher is from Ohio

  49. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Seems as if we have hit the payroll limit – have to work with the farm until more expensive contracts come off the books like Swisher, Soriano, Burnett (Mo next year if he retires).

  50. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Who becomes relevant first again…..Orioles or Mets? Neither is an appropriate answer also.

  51. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    5 for 1…..Noesi, Romine, Phelps, Laird and Corban Joseph for Gio

  52. RhapsodyInBlue December 22nd, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Youk’s mellon by the bay.

  53. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    86w183 December 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
    Chip — but what is sky high? I don’t see the Yanks moving Nova (kills the point) or Montero but shouldn’t everyone else be on the table? Maybe if they take on Fuentes’ $ 5 M or Balfour’s $ 4.5 M the prospect price comes down a little?

    ————–

    Well – by way of comparison – let’s look at what the Reds gave up for Latos and how it compares:

    Volquez – young, talented pitcher with one great year and then a lot of issues including injury and PED suspension – equivilant is probably Hughes in terms up upside and risk

    Grandel – top flight catching prospect – pretty easy comparison there: Montero especially since the Yankees don’t have a Yonder Alonso.

    My guess:

    Hughes
    Montero
    Warren
    and another guy – Mason Williams maybe.

  54. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Of course I would trade Swisher, Betances, and Phelps/Warren for Masterson – but Cleveland would not. . . .

  55. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Swisher for Ubaldo! ;)

  56. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Yanks strike out on big chance to sign stud pitcher….Jason Marquis (Twins).

  57. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    3 way….

    Philles – Swisher
    Yankees – Gio
    A’s – Dominic Brown, Romine and Noesi

    Yankees sign Beltran to replace Swish. Beltran would take less money to come to the Yankees.

  58. Jerkface December 22nd, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Choo is a drunk. Keep Swisher :p

    Choo is a korean, and if I can’t have a japanese then close enough!

  59. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    blake December 22nd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
    Who becomes relevant first again…..Orioles or Mets? Neither is an appropriate answer also.

    ———-

    Mets. I give the Wilpons 2 years before they are forced to sell like McCourt was. At that point the Phillies will be in steep decline and the Marlins will be selling off players like it was 1998 again.

    The Orioles on the other hand have absolutely nothing going for them, up to and including the fact that no candidate with any sort of positive reputation to protect will allow himself to work in an environment where his subordinates can routinely go over his head to the owner because he likes them.

  60. austinmac December 22nd, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    The purpose of a farm system is to promote or trade. They have a lot of depth in AAA, but I question whether Phelps, Warren or Mitchell will pitch for the Yankees.

    Everyone says they lost in the playoffs for lack of timing hitting. I agree the hitting wasn’t timely, but sometimes a team needs to win 1-0 or 2-1. Other than CC, I have no faith any of the rest will win such games.

  61. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Swisher – Cleveland
    Gordon – NYY
    Prospects from Clev and NYY – KC

  62. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Cashman’s already laughed in Beane’s face and hung up.

  63. Shame Spencer December 22nd, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Wanna make LGY’s head explode? …if we didn’t sign Soriano and/or Feliciano last off season we’d have more than enough for Kuroda without breaking the budget.

  64. Joe from Long Island December 22nd, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Ys Guy – that could be the situation, Kuroda taking his time shopping his deals back home. Remember, Kevin Towers complained about his taking 10-14 days with a solid offer on the table from AZ.

    I really think Cash speaks for an audience other than fans. So, I take his comments about payroll constraints with a careful ear. Yes, the Yankees probably want to get the payroll down, to re-set that penalty clock. However, it would be in his/Yankees interests to make it as clear as can be that they are not going to be sugar-daddy’s for agents and players. In other words, Kuroda – this is the offer.

    The Yankee-tax doesn’t just apply to other GMs, but to agents as well. (Why do you think CJ Wilson was so upset that the Yanks didn’t make an offer? You think he wanted to see the No.4 train go up against the B and D?

    The season doesn’t start tomorrow. Nor is the trade deadline Jan. 1. For all we know – and we really don’t know a lot – the stage may be getting set for something else, down the road. But I’d be willing to bet real money that there’s a lot of disinformation going on.

  65. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Chip,

    Both have steep uphill climbs…..but I agree. The Mets can at least sell NYC…..I have no idea literally how the Orioles will ever compete in the AL East again……that could be the most hopeless situation in baseball.

  66. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Why would NY give up their regular right fielder plus more to get an outfielder with one solid year to his credit?

  67. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    Why would NY give up their regular right fielder plus more to get an outfielder with one solid year to his credit?

    *********

    Cheaper (saves them a good chunk in change), gold glove OFer, lefty in YS, production finally matching the tools – not as if Gordon is some journeyman fluke

  68. pat December 22nd, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Some seem to believe Cashman has had the checkbook taken away but he does have lots of prospects at his disposal and hasn’t been all in on trades either.

    Perhaps Cash has currency at his disposal but what’s available isn’t making it burn a hole in his pocket.

  69. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Plus .300 batting average, .370 OBP, 45 2bs, and 23 HRs (and playing 1/2 games in KC’s park) is a bit more than a “solid” year. . . .

  70. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    Swisher – Cleveland
    Gordon – NYY
    Prospects from Clev and NYY – KC

    ———–

    Like the idea but KC is reportedly trying to lock up Gordon to a long term deal.

  71. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports that the Red Sox are still talking to the Athletics about both Gio Gonzalez and Andrew Bailey.

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    The Red Sox have the prospects to get both Gio and Bailey?

  72. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    Swisher – Cleveland
    Gordon – NYY
    Prospects from Clev and NYY – KC

    ———–

    Like the idea but KC is reportedly trying to lock up Gordon to a long term deal.

    ******

    Bummer – back to the drawing board. . . .

  73. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports that the Red Sox are still talking to the Athletics about both Gio Gonzalez and Andrew Bailey.

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    The Red Sox have the prospects to get both Gio and Bailey?

    *******

    They once got Schilling for Fossum – so I do not put anything by them. I am just glad they do not have Masterson anymore – he probably was their last good prospect they had. . . .

  74. Joe from Long Island December 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    I don’t think Wilpon and Katz will last two years, Chip. They just closed off one of their rookie mL teams. They can’t keep losing $70M a year, and taking out more loans. And, they don’t have to make payroll now.

    There was a note from Klapsisch (?) early this AM that if their vaunted plan to draw in 10 investors for $200M, total, was in trouble, and that if it weren’t in place by ST they would be forced to sell.

    That actually makes sense. The NY Times yesterday reported that they were offering all sorts of enticements to find investors – have your picture taken with Mr. Met; get your own parking space: and discounts on Mets’ merchandise. (I couldn’t believe it.)

    This is what the Mets have come down to, chickens%^& like this. They can’t keep taking out loans they can’t repay. (BTW – that bridge loan from Bank of America is at very high daily interest rates.) And they can’t go into next season without the revenue stream to support the team payroll, reduced though it may be. And, this doesn’t even take into account the court decision on the Madoff lawsuit – $386 M.

    Fred will be out of baseball in short order.

  75. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    spidanyc is the drunk.

  76. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    The Red Sox have the prospects to get both Gio and Bailey?

    They don’t have the prospects to get either player.

    Have we forgotten this is still December and none of these “sources” have a clue. These are bored sports writers that have nothing to do but come up with wild theories.

  77. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    if the nats get hot all that extra tv money will help the orioles.

  78. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Gordon’s going to arbitration this year and will hit the lottery on one good year….arbitration next year and will make about what Swisher is this year. Makes no sense for NY or KC. They’re nearly done rebuilding and ready to move up past Chicago, Minnesota and Cleveland.

  79. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Gosh there a lot of delusional people on here.

    A lot of you are really overplaying Swisher’s value….especially that bopper with him going to Philly and Gio to the Yankees.

    Why would Philly make that trade???

  80. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    How about:

    Marlins get: Swisher and Melky Mesa
    Indians get: Logan Morrison, David Phelps and Phil Hughes
    Yankees get: Justin Masterson and Choo from Cleveland and Coghlan from the Marlins

  81. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Kc is nearly done rebuilding?

    I guess they are using the “we don’t need any starting pitchers at all” philosophy of rebuilding.

  82. RhapsodyInBlue December 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Nick Retardo of the Boston Globe is a mediot.

  83. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
    spidanyc is the drunk.

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    The Mad Princess in Pinstripes LOL

  84. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    Kc is nearly done rebuilding?

    I guess they are using the “we don’t need any starting pitchers at all” philosophy of rebuilding.

    ————

    Not sold on Jonathan Sanchez and Bruce Chen are you?

  85. Nick in SF December 22nd, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    I’m waiting for the new post that reveals that the Yankees’ Hitting-with-RISP Coordinator left in early 2010 and was never replaced. :neutral:

  86. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    Gosh there a lot of delusional people on here.

    A lot of you are really overplaying Swisher?s value?.especially that bopper with him going to Philly and Gio to the Yankees.

    Why would Philly make that trade???

    ——————————————————————————————————–

    Swisher for Dominic has been speculated on before. Swisher can play both RF and 1B which makes tons of sense for the Phillies.

  87. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Oakland isn’t Arizona, with an organization looking to stick it to George Steinbrenner. Beane wants to stick it to everybody. Only teams that Boston gets to raid will be SD and the Cubs. Those two teams are Boston’s assistant GMs in drag.

  88. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    Gosh there a lot of delusional people on here.

    A lot of you are really overplaying Swisher’s value….especially that bopper with him going to Philly and Gio to the Yankees.

    Why would Philly make that trade???

    —————-

    They wouldn’t. Especially with Hunter Pence in RF for them.

  89. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    Oakland isn’t Arizona, with an organization looking to stick it to George Steinbrenner. Beane wants to stick it to everybody. Only teams that Boston gets to raid will be SD and the Cubs. Those two teams are Boston’s assistant GMs in drag.

    ———-

    Um…you do know that Kevin Towers (Arizona’s GM) is one of Brian Cashman’s closest friends right?

  90. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
    Gordon’s going to arbitration this year and will hit the lottery on one good year….arbitration next year and will make about what Swisher is this year. Makes no sense for NY or KC. They’re nearly done rebuilding and ready to move up past Chicago, Minnesota and Cleveland.

    ********

    Gordon is not getting 10.25 million until he hits FA in 2014. Makes sense for Yanks – especially if they can lock him up to a friendly Cano type deal.

    KC is not going anywhere until they get that pitching figured out – Montogmery and the other lefty took a step back last year. While Hosmer and company are coming there – they are not near Detroit – not w/ Detroit’s cash flow still there and Jacob Turner on the horizon ready to be teamed with Verlander in another year or two. And they are still not better than Chicago – or have Cleveland’s pitching. Minny is in trouble though. . . .

  91. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    If the Phillies are going to get engaged in a trade that features Gio it is going to be with Gio winding up in Philly, not with him winding up on a team the Phillies might have to face in the World Series.

  92. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    Gosh there a lot of delusional people on here.

    A lot of you are really overplaying Swisher’s value….especially that bopper with him going to Philly and Gio to the Yankees.

    Why would Philly make that trade???

    ?????-

    They wouldn?t. Especially with Hunter Pence in RF for them.

    ———————————————————————————–

    Pence can play LF. I believe Ibanez is a free agent.

  93. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Pence can play LF

    rofl… time to stop with this 3-way trade nonsense if you think they would move Pence out of RF to play Swisher there…

  94. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    They just need their latest kids in KC for the full season and they’ll be past everyone except Detroit in the AL Central. I also said nearly done.

  95. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    They just need their latest kids in KC for the full season and they’ll be past everyone except Detroit in the AL Central. I also said nearly done.

    ********

    That pitching is suspect – not as good as last year – no one is buying Cain anymore – and Chen, Sanchez, Luke H is not how you build – especially if Montgomery and company do not take to form. Remember this is Drayton Moore we are talking about – the guy who goes after everything that is Atlanta based on his Braves days. KC still has a ways to go . . . .

  96. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    I didn’t say anything about KC ready to take on Detroit. They do have a good bullpen and getting better and a good offense. What sanchez does is anybody’s guess but, Chen has been getting it done for 2 years now. As far as Gordon goes, I’d bet on $6 mil this year and nearly double by next year.

  97. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 3:36 pm
    Pence can play LF

    rofl? time to stop with this 3-way trade nonsense if you think they would move Pence out of RF to play Swisher there?

    ——————————————————————————–

    Sounds more logical than your Ellsbury logic. Your suggesting the Red Sox would trade Ellsbury for Gio. Are you also suggesting that the Yankees would trade Grandersonf or Gio? Keep in mind that both Grandy and Ellsbury put up crazy numbers last year, but Ellsbury is younger and cheaper.

  98. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    brown took a big step back last season, even when sent back down he did poorly. they would be selling really low on him if they move him now.

  99. RhapsodyInBlue December 22nd, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    The Sox could send Youk to Oakland who would flip him.

    I guess maybe the As might also be interested in say Melancon.

  100. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Whatever. NYYs aren’t trading Swisher if they can’t get better.

  101. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    spidanyc – Nothing you said is logical in any manner. I’m not suggesting that they should trade Ellsbury for Gio at all. Maybe you should go read those posts again.

  102. ac1 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I’m dying to know who the Sox can trade to get Gio AND Bailey in the same deal.

    They wanted 4 of the Yankees best prospects. Does Boston even have 4 prospects left?

    Beane isnt Jed Hoyer.
    He wasnt sent to Oakland for one year just to screw the city and trade their best player away to the team he just left,for nothing, then leave.

  103. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    ac1 – Why spend that much thought on it at all? They simply don’t have the players. Don’t believe everything you read goes doubly true for baseball writers in the offseason.

  104. RhapsodyInBlue December 22nd, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Gio and Bailey for Youk, Middlebrooks, Ranaudo, Melancon and Salty.

  105. Yank1 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Maybe Beane really likes Youkallis and thinks he can anchor their lineup

    Youk, Runado, and Middlebrooks should be enough for Gonzalez

    If they add a Reddick or Kalish, they can get Gio too.

    A rotation with Lester-Beckett-Gonzalez-Buchholz with a bullpen of Baily-Bard-Melancon all in their mid 20s, along with their offense… that is a serious team.

  106. Yank1 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    “Gio and Bailey for Youk, Middlebrooks, Ranaudo, Melancon and Salty.”

    Or that. Didn’t think about flipping MM for Baily but that would make perfect sense

  107. RhapsodyInBlue December 22nd, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Oakland could flip Youkilis to another team for decent prospects.

  108. Stoneburner December 22nd, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:42 pm
    I didn’t say anything about KC ready to take on Detroit. They do have a good bullpen and getting better and a good offense. What sanchez does is anybody’s guess but, Chen has been getting it done for 2 years now. As far as Gordon goes, I’d bet on $6 mil this year and nearly double by next year.

    ***********

    Still more speculation and guessing and hoping. I already addressed Detroit even if you did not originally bring them – and I do not think they have Cleveland or Chicago’s pitching (give me Sale, Danks, Floyd and company over KC’s gang) – and Chen (1st can the man please pitch 200 innings first, 2nd he was better in 1st half than second – just do not want softy lefty 34 year old on an up and coming team like that leading the way – Montgomery and company needed to take the step forward last season they did not and there is no doubt – putting Det., Chicago, and Cleveland ahead based on overall pitching

    Plus – even if Gordon makes 6 million next year – cheaper than Swisher – and Swisher – with his new agent would more than ask for 12 million that you suspect Gordon would ask for in arbitration – still cheaper – plus Yanks can look to lock Gordon into a reasonable deal instead of having to deal w/ Swisher possibly dreaming of a big pay day. . . .

  109. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Moving Gio Gonzalez from one of the largest parks int he league to one of the smallest sounds like an awesome idea to me….. so long as it isn’t Yankee Stadium.

  110. m December 22nd, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    With the dearth of quality pitching available, this is a great idea.

    No Montero in this deal. If that takes us out of the bidding, then so be it.

  111. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Even though Rosenthal’s an annoying idiot, he at least has a sense of humor. He must have fans in Boston that he’s trying to make their Christmas better, even if it crashes on the 26th.

    “Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
    Sources: #RedSox trying to get G. Gonzalez, Bailey in “monster” deal. #Rangers, #Rays also on Bailey. #Nationals team to beat on Gio. #MLB”

  112. EA December 22nd, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Sources: #RedSox trying to get G. Gonzalez, Bailey in “monster” deal, #Rangers, #Rays also on Bailey. #Nationals team to beat on Gio.

  113. BD (Boston Dave) December 22nd, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Love reading some of these ridiculous trade offers.

    You couldnt get any of these offers passed on xbox, let alone the real world…

  114. disco stu December 22nd, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    I really hope the Yankees know what they are doing … I don’t see how improving the starting rotation (which is what Cashman said the Yankees off season priority was) is by simply retaining pieces from last year who could have gone elsewhere (CC, Garcia, Colon?).

    Yeah, maybe Nova continues to improve or maybe his forearm injury was a harbinger of things to come … maybe Hughes regains his 1st half 2010 form or maybe he continues to struggle with injuries and poor performance, maybe Garcia continues his houdini magic or maybe it catches up to him, etc.

    One other thing, if the new playoff format goes into effect this year it more than likely means that many more teams will be in the hunt by July … so if the Yankees pitching strategy backfires and they are in need of bringing another piece, they will have to a pay a premium for someone who may be of lesser value than what has been available this off season because of the number of teams who may also be looking to add another piece.

  115. ac1 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Moving Gio Gonzalez from one of the largest parks int he league to one of the smallest sounds like an awesome idea to me….. so long as it isn’t Yankee Stadium.

    __

    Gio to Sox is fine with me.
    Yankees hit him pretty well and a lefty at Fenway with the wall just 87 feet from homeplate?
    Works for me!!!

  116. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    spidanyc,

    I could be wrong but I THOUGHT that Philly already had a first-baseman.

    Pence is a better RF than Swisher so no, Pence wouldn’t be moving to LF. Brown is a lot younger than Swisher and a lot cheaper too, so why would they prefer Swish over Brown for LF (if that was the next position you were going to throw out there for Swish to play)?

    Your three way scenario just didn’t make sense, that’s why I thought maybe you were sippin some of “grandpa’s old ‘cough’ medicine”.

    I’m not shooting down the possibility of a three way trade helping NYY net a solid starter, am just bashing that idea you threw out there. I know you feel compelled to defend said “idea” but it really makes no sense on a number of levels particularly for Philly.

    Again, I like Swisher a lot, but I just don’t see him having very high trade value…or at the very least, the kind of trade value that would net the Yankees the quality arm they covet.

  117. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    as soon as i read this post i figured the socks are offering youk with most of his salary paid plus prospects. they want him out and the a’s could really really use his bat.

  118. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    If Cleveland wants Swisher, then Cashman should demand Choo.

    Cleveland would probably want more but consider Swisher is a Type A and Cleveland can compete with him next year and collect a high draft pick for him soon thereafter.

  119. DaveD December 22nd, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Maybe, but I don’t think the Sox hitters are necessarily quaking seeing Nova’s 5 Ks per 9, Hughes’ 87 MPH FB in the 4th inning and no breaking pitches, Garcia’s slop, or Burnett’s “nasty stuff”, either.

    Gio is a significantly better pitcher than any of those guys. As is a healthy Buchholz and Lester. Beckett-CC cancel eachother out.

  120. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    ac1,

    “Yankees hit him pretty well and a lefty at Fenway with the wall just 87 feet from homeplate?
    Works for me!!!”

    AWESOME.

  121. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Beane is going to want prospects….guys he can control for a long time….and he’s not giving the Sox any kind of sweetheart deal…..it would totally gut the Sox farm system of quality talent to pull off a deal like that…….if they even could at all.

  122. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    DavdD – Gio is a significantly better pitcher than any of those guys. in Oakland.

    You left out that last part.

  123. EA December 22nd, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    There is no excuse for Boston to be able to land Gonzalez with their crappy farm + broken down Youkallis while Cashman stands on the sideline and tells everyone how Hughes and Noesi will be 20 game winners and Rafael Santana is the next Matt Kemp

  124. MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Beane must be salivating at the thought of having all of these teams
    just tripping over themselves for the privledge of trading away their best prospects for GG.

    That’s made in heaven for a guy like him.

    ;)

  125. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    If the Devil Rays are after Bailey, Boston won’t get him.

  126. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Ys Guy,

    Could be, but the A’s are epic penny-pinchers. Their owners are some of the stingiest in baseball, so taking on too much of Youk’s salary may be a hard sell. I don’t know what you mean by “most of” but its certainly possible.

    I posted earlier about how hard Beane was for Youk back when he was drafted. Wouldn’t surprise me if he still has a desire to poke Youk where the sun don’t shine :)

  127. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    didnt the phillies firstbaseman just have serious surgury and isnt there a good chance he wont be ready by opening day? word is that without any setbacks, he should be back in april or may, but he was still wearing a boot 2 weeks ago and he is very large, there’s alot of weight to support there.

  128. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    EA – There is no excuse for Boston to be able to land Gonzalez with their crappy farm + broken down Youkallis

    Sure, there is a perfectly reasonable “excuse”. Cashman is not the GM of the A’s, he’s the GM of the Yankee’s. He doesn’t get to decide what Beane asks for and from whom, Beane does.

    GioVERRATED doesn’t warrant this much discussion. In the time it took to write this post he walked another 3 batters.

  129. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 4:04 pm

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  130. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    blake,

    My guess is that Boston would have to involve another team to pull it off, which is entirely possible. A prospect loaded team who could use a 1B/3B…not sure who that is. Also, its possible that someone like Reddick is attractive to teams. I’ve heard quite a few rumblings about them being willing to include him in a deal and he had a pretty good season last year.

  131. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    donnybrook – OK, but only if you stop with the caps and the lists

  132. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    DaveD December 22nd, 2011 at 4:00 pm
    Maybe, but I don’t think the Sox hitters are necessarily quaking seeing Nova’s 5 Ks per 9, Hughes’ 87 MPH FB in the 4th inning and no breaking pitches, Garcia’s slop, or Burnett’s “nasty stuff”, either.

    Gio is a significantly better pitcher than any of those guys. As is a healthy Buchholz and Lester. Beckett-CC cancel eachother out.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    where do you live, anyway? I’m mean, under what bridge in Boston.

  133. Yank1 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Youkallis signed a sweetheart deal with BOS anyway, he is underpaid for his production, if anything. He has trade value

  134. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    i would expect that if they move youk plus prospects for gio, that the socks would assume almost all of his salary. he’s owed $12M this year and there’s a club option for another $12M next year with a $1M buyout. the A’s could take probably get him with the socks paying most of the salary for this year, then move him at the trade deadline for more prospects. low cost move that helps them big-time this year and brings them more prospects later in the year. just a thought

  135. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    DONNYBROOK,

    Accepted.

    I see no real issues with the Yankees lineup. They are more than capable of putting up strong offensive numbers as a team, especially if we can get 130 games out of ARod (i know i know, big IF).

    We can go into the season with what we have and be perfectly fine for at least the first 4 months. Its August thru the postseason that will eventually force the Yanks to deal for a pitcher before the trade deadline.

  136. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Mad Prince,

    Maybe….I just don’t see the Sox having the juice to do a deal like that.

  137. RayVT December 22nd, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    IMO, in order for the Rsox to get Gio (Another Gonzalez) they would have to part with the following:

    1. 3B Will Middlebrooks
    2. SS Xander Bogaerts
    3. C Blake Swihart
    4. RHP Anthony Ranaudo

    Plus send Jacoby Ellsbury to get a MLB ready SP prospect to round out the deal or hi potential young SP.

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    That’s just Howard with a new username.

    See how he managed to get the love of his life, Beckett, into the post?

    Yup. Howard.

  139. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    Drop the Youkilis talk. The whole idea behind Beane trading a pitcher he controls for 4 more years is to plan out 5 years ahead. Gio will be gone by the time they open the new stadium. Beane wants young ML-ready prospects like Montero and projectable types like Mason Williams.

    Could the Red Sox move Youkilis? Sure. But not for Gio nor Bailey.

    Oakland is starting from scratch again, not trying to compete with a vet like Youkilis.

  140. LGY December 22nd, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Wanna make LGY’s head explode? …if we didn’t sign Soriano and/or Feliciano last off season we’d have more than enough for Kuroda without breaking the budget

    ——–

    Thanks for reminding me Shame!

    *head explodes*

  141. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    RayVT,

    Yea something like that…..those first two would have to be involved for sure. They’d have nothing left in their system.

  142. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm
    Whatever. NYYs aren’t trading Swisher if they can’t get better.

    ———–

    So what you’re saying is that the Yankees aren’t going to intentionally make a deal that makes their team worse? Outstanding insight.

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    I saw Ranaudo twice, and twice he threw a straight FB that got clobbered and walked everyone.

    LMAO.

  144. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    - Mad Prince -
    Totally agree with you.

    Saw a rumor on Pro Sports Dailey that Texas was attempting to get \add Bailey. Nollie just will not back off the accelerator.

  145. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    The Red Sox are only heavily involved in these Gio talks because they read that the Yankees want to add a #2 and are running out of options. The Sox have no ammo. It’s obvious they’re trying to drive up the price on the Yanks.

  146. RayVT December 22nd, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Nationals To Acquire Gio Gonzalez

  147. Tom in N.J. December 22nd, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Nationals To Acquire Gio Gonzalez mlbtr

  148. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    No backup for the inevitable youkilis injury, no center fielder, they’d have to resign Drew for right field, no backup pitching. Can’t see it. They’d have to go to Ireland and pick every 4 leaf clover, go to the race tracks and pick up every loose shoe, as well as deplete the rabbit populantion in New England.

  149. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Thank god we can stop talking about this disaster of a pitcher now.

  150. m December 22nd, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    The Red Sox system might have some life, but they won’t be able to fill all their needs by trade.

    Other teams covet the same players.
    Other teams have better pieces.
    There’s just too many holes to fill.
    They just don’t have enough pieces to make multiple deals for quality players.

  151. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Good for the Nationals.

    Next subject.

  152. ac1 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    all moot, Gio to Nats

  153. Yank1 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Nats give up Cole, Norris, Peacokc, and Milone according to Law

  154. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 4:10 pm
    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm
    Whatever. NYYs aren’t trading Swisher if they can’t get better.

    ———–

    So what you’re saying is that the Yankees aren’t going to intentionally make a deal that makes their team worse? Outstanding insight.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    you and Bret sure try with every “trade” you suggest.

    If Cashman reads this stuff on here, he’s gotta be laughing 24 hours a day.

  155. m December 22nd, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Gio will continue to amaze. The NL is a nice landing spot. ;)

  156. Tom in N.J. December 22nd, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Cole for Christmas?

  157. Joe from Long Island December 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    well, that’s one less potential landing spot for aj

  158. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Maybe that’s why Cashman can’y get any work done. Too busy laughing. Blame Chip and Bret for it.

  159. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Tom in N.J. December 22nd, 2011 at 4:16 pm
    Cole for Christmas?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Or by some accounts, “Coal for Cashman”.

  160. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Can someone put that deal in Yankee terms? I don’t know anything about the Nats prospects.

    BA says Cole was their #4 and Norris was their #9 prospect.

  161. RhapsodyInBlue December 22nd, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Cole Porter for Christmas maybe.

  162. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Strausburg, Gio, Zimmerman……not bad……all they need now is AJ to round it out!

  163. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) December 22nd, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Love reading some of these ridiculous trade offers.

    You couldnt get any of these offers passed on xbox, let alone the real world…
    =

    LOL!

  164. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Joe from Long Island December 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 pm
    well, that’s one less potential landing spot for aj

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    On deck, Gavin Floyd.

  165. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    That’s a pretty big package to give

  166. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    “no MLB pitcher has walked more opponents than Gonzalez in the past two seasons”

    Not even the mighty AJ is that bad.

  167. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Strausburg, Gio, Zimmerman……not bad……all they need now is AJ to round it out!
    ===========

    AJ for Wang!

  168. RayVT December 22nd, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Tom in N.J. December 22nd, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Just a matter of seconds differnce! LOL!

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    RayVT December 22nd, 2011 at 4:13 pm
    Nationals To Acquire Gio Gonzalez
    ///

    Thank you for that.

  170. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    The Nats and their pursuit of Gio is an example of that extra Wild Card making a team look at their Playoff chances differently. In the NL East, it would have been tough for the Nats to make the Playoffs with only 1 Wild Card. Obviously, they feel by adding Gio they gotta legitimate shot atta Wild Card now. This move is for Now, not 2 yrs down the road.

  171. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    I’m pretty impressed with the club that the Nats are starting to put together. They could be pretty competitive.

  172. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    As per Baseball America, Cole is the Nations #4 overall prospect, Peacok is #3, Norris is #9 and Milone is not in the their top 10

  173. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    That’s probably a Betances, Romine, Noesi, Warren ish package in Yankee terms……

  174. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Wehere do these guys rank overall? Are they higher or lower than our guys?

  175. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:23 pm
    That?s probably a Betances, Romine, Noesi, Warren ish package in Yankee terms??

    ———————————————————————————————-

    Sounds about right

  176. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    So that’s like both B’s, Heatcott and a 4th player? bahahahaha

  177. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    I see you’ve dispensed with your gimmicky spelling :D.

  178. disco stu December 22nd, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    So as of right now if the Yankees dont add another piece to their rotation and it turns out that by mid season they DO need to acquire another starter either due to injuries, poor performance, etc, what decent-to-good pitchers do any of you see that might be available?

    I guess another way phrasing the question would be what teams have no shot of competing next year, yet still have at least one good pitcher on their team who could conceivably be made available?

    I’m having a hard time coming up with anyone

  179. Giuseppe Franco December 22nd, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Somewhere, Bret sheds yet another tear.

  180. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Gio will be good in the NL East – lots of big ball parks.

  181. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    That’s a nice little rotation:

    Zimmerman
    Gio
    Straus
    Wang

  182. Wave Your Hat December 22nd, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    I think the Yanks could have topped the Nats deal for Gio without putting Montero in the deal or more than 1 of the Bs.

    More indication the Yanks intend to stand pat.

    Dangerous IMO but we’ll see.

  183. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Chip – plus his walk rate just dropped by 11% lol

  184. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Go Natinals!

  185. Mike_Boston December 22nd, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    I’m not buying that $ is an issue in regards to signing someone like Kudora to a 1 year deal. How short sighted would it be for Levine to shove Soriano down Cash’s throat and say no when he asks for someone like Kudora, for less $, a bigger need and only a 1 year deal. That makes absolutely zero sense. One season they feel like they need to spend extra $ to sure up a hole (last off season there was no real clear EIG) but the very next season they feel shorter $/years isn’t worth it. Someone might argue taxes and/or CBA but I’m not buying it one bit. There is no way they could have not seen this scenario coming up when they commanded the Soriano deal.

  186. RayVT December 22nd, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    NotGammons: RSox are all in on Floyd who they have wanted for years! LHP don’t fare well in Fenway & walks kill so RSox pulled their stars off the table. Floyd may come walking up to RSox soon!

  187. Yank1 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    “well, that’s one less potential landing spot for aj”

    That is the unfortunate part of this trade – WASH was one of the few teams who fit the AJ criteria perfectly – close to his home in MD, need some solid pitching at the back end, have money.

  188. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Kuroda has aboslutely no impact on the Yankees 2014 budget concerns. He will not be missed over $12-$15mil. They only have $75mil committed for 2014 as it is, they can be miles under the cap by then.

  189. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    GB7

    as well as deplete the rabbit populantion in New England.

    ——————————————————————————-

    The talk here is that it was coyotes that did that.

    I should have known that was just a cover up for what the RS were doing. :D:

  190. 108 stitches December 22nd, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Nobody takes Boston serious anymore about dealing for any player with some upside. They’re the poster boys of how a barren farm system combined with hamstrung contracts can restrict a team to dumpster diving. Lucchino is walking around cuffed and shackled.

  191. spidanyc December 22nd, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Mike Axisa indicates a comparable Yankees package for Gio would have been Banuelos, Phelps, Warren and Romine.

  192. EA December 22nd, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Betances, Sanchez, Romine are the Yankees 3-4-9 prospects…. which is what the Nats gave up. Plus Millone who is a solid ML ready pitcher – not sure who his comp is for us… Warren on the high end, Phelps on the low end, probably

    So it would have been Betances, Sanchez, Romine, and Warren/Phelps.

    Honestly, that wouldn’t have been a terrible deal for us. A little steep, but not ridiculous.

  193. jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    He coached guys like Brett Gardner, Ramiro Pena, Eduardo Nunez, Kevin Russo, Juan Miranda, Jose Tabata and Francisco Cervelli in Tampa, and he was there when Austin Jackson showed up for his breakout half season at that level.

    Not exactly an impressive body of work there. Hopefully there are better examples.

  194. RayVT December 22nd, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Do the Nats still have John Lannan? He is a good LH SP too!

  195. Tom in N.J. December 22nd, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    75 million for 3 players, Al, CC and Teix.

  196. Wave Your Hat December 22nd, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    “They only have $75mil committed for 2014 as it is, they can be miles under the cap by then.”

    Hey, the Yanks would then have only a piticher, a 3B/DH, a 1B and half a shortstop. If they play their cards right they could be revenue sharing recipients.

  197. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    If Cashman views Kuroda as a significant upgrade to the rotation then he will offer a contract to Kuroda.

    If he only considers him a marginal upgrade – then no offer will be made and instead Brian will go on trying to build depth for the back of the rotation by going after guys looking for less money (Harden, Maholm) or minor league deals (Chris Young, Jeff Francis)

    Again, you can’t fault the Yankees as being cheap – they did make a rather major signing already this winter (CC’s new deal) and still have the highest payroll in baseball.

    There are a couple of factors at work here:

    1. Cashman trying to prove he’s a good GM, not just the GM of a team with unlimited resources
    2. The new CBA makes it a lot more punitive if you spend more than what Buddy Boy is comfortable with.
    3. Hal is not George – he’s not going to be as ready to throw good money after bad and allow Brian to walk away from his mistakes. AJ Burnett is being paid a lot of money because Brian wanted AJ Burnett on this team – now he has to live with that. The days of letting high priced mistakes sit there and not play (Igawa) are, in my opinion, over.

  198. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Tom in NJ – Which is no different than it is now, except they won’t be paying $40mil for their bullpen anymore.

  199. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:38 pm

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    I should have known that was just a cover up for what the RS were doing. :

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    LMAO. Afternoon, Maine. Hope all is well there at the North Pole. Hope the reindeer are fed and sled is waxed and ready for saturday.

    Oh, Hell. I got you mixed up with that other old geezer up there….no…not Randy.

  200. jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    Kuroda has aboslutely no impact on the Yankees 2014 budget concerns. He will not be missed over $12-$15mil. They only have $75mil committed for 2014 as it is, they can be miles under the cap by then.

    Maybe they want to get as close to the cap as they can right now and pay as little tax as possible.

    Although if they really want to save on taxes, they do what it takes to dump AJ and get his salary off the taxable ledger, insert Noesi.

  201. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    …as are the days of eating the contract just to get rid of a guy…

  202. Giuseppe Franco December 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    The most recent high priced mistake was Soriano.

    Not a Cashman move but a Steinbrenner/Levine move.

    Getting A-Rod back in 2008 was a no-brainer but not at that cost. They overpaid significantly in that deal.

    Again, not a Cashman move and those moves are hurting their payroll/roster flexibility as much as anyone on the team (Burnett is among those as well).

  203. Wave Your Hat December 22nd, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    “If Cashman views Kuroda as a significant upgrade to the rotation then he will offer a contract to Kuroda.

    If he only considers him a marginal upgrade – then no offer will be made and instead Brian will go on trying to build depth for the back of the rotation by going after guys looking for less money ”

    Not buying the argument as Kuroda is obviously a significant upgrade to a rotation that currently features AJ and Hughes not to mention better pitchers like Garcia and Nova who Kuroda is still better than.

    Cashman has to view him as a significant upgrade yet apparently isn’t interested.

  204. LGY December 22nd, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    @TrippingOlney: IF YOU MISSED OUT ON GIO GONZALEZ, DON’T WORRY, THE YANKEES ARE WILLING TO MOVE A.J. BURNETT

  205. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 4:46 pm

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  206. MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Hey Maine-

    Happy Holidays to you and Mrs. Maine.

    Where ya’ been ?

    :)

  207. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    after Gavibn Floyd is off the boards, next up will be Terry Ryan trying to find a sucker…..errrr…..trade partner for Liriano.

  208. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    GB7

    Things are good here, thanks.

    The sled will need wheels this year. No snow.

    It’s been quite mild so far.

    Looks like it may be a brown Christmas.

    I home you’re keeping the trade proposals all straight. :lol:

  209. MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    The Yankees are on a diet.

    They want to slim down the Budget.

    ;)

  210. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm

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  211. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    WYH – Cashman has to view him as a significant upgrade yet apparently isn’t interested.

    Are you just assuming that because Kuroda has not signed yet? We have absolutely nothing to gauge the Yankee’s interest in Kuroda, and no proof of an offer made or not.

  212. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Go for King Felix or Cole Hamels.

  213. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    MTU

    Thanks.

    The same to you and the Mrs.

    I’ve been staying away in order to keep my sanity.

  214. MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Maine-

    Sanity is over rated .

    :)

  215. Wave Your Hat December 22nd, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    “Are you just assuming that because Kuroda has not signed yet? We have absolutely nothing to gauge the Yankee’s interest in Kuroda, and no proof of an offer made or not.”

    Could be. But the lack of any significant reports linking the Yanks and Kuroda has me thinking the Yanks aren’t leaning that way. I hope I’m wrong.

  216. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Wave Your Hat December 22nd, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    “If Cashman views Kuroda as a significant upgrade to the rotation then he will offer a contract to Kuroda.

    If he only considers him a marginal upgrade – then no offer will be made and instead Brian will go on trying to build depth for the back of the rotation by going after guys looking for less money ”

    Not buying the argument as Kuroda is obviously a significant upgrade to a rotation that currently features AJ and Hughes not to mention better pitchers like Garcia and Nova who Kuroda is still better than.

    Cashman has to view him as a significant upgrade yet apparently isn’t interested.
    ========

    In truth, it isn’t like the Yanks aren’t getting anything from AJ. Aj isn’t Pavano. He competes, he gives innings, and more often than not, he gives the Yanks a chance to win the ballgame. Managed carefully, and with a quick hook, AJ can help us win some ball games. At the margin, Kuroda would probably get us four or five more wins than AJ would. Is this worth an extra $4 million (assuming that Cashman can shed half of AJ’s contract and sign Kuroda for $12 milliion)? I think it is, but I can see somebody answering the other way….

  217. 4time December 22nd, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    jazayerli So basically, Gio Gonzalez (8.8 bWAR last 3 years) brought back between 2 and 3 times as much talent as Trevor Cahill (9.4 bWAR). Uh-huh.

  218. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Go for King Felix or Cole Hamels.
    ==============

    Good work. We almost got through this thread without mentioning him.

  219. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    after Gavibn Floyd is off the boards, next up will be Terry Ryan trying to find a sucker…..errrr…..trade partner for Liriano.

    —————————————————

    I think he would find a few suckers here.

  220. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    after Gavibn Floyd is off the boards, next up will be Terry Ryan trying to find a sucker…..errrr…..trade partner for Liriano.

    —————————————————

    I think he would find a few suckers here.
    ============

    LOL!

  221. Nick in SF December 22nd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Is Jorge coming back so the Yanks can have the exact same lineup? Will there be an “I promise to bat 9th if my manager tells asks me to” clause in his new contract?

    Cool for #20 fans! :grin:

  222. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Bring back Bartolo! Don’t break up the family!

  223. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Giuseppe Franco December 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    The most recent high priced mistake was Soriano.

    Not a Cashman move but a Steinbrenner/Levine move.

    Getting A-Rod back in 2008 was a no-brainer but not at that cost. They overpaid significantly in that deal.

    Again, not a Cashman move and those moves are hurting their payroll/roster flexibility as much as anyone on the team (Burnett is among those as well).
    —————–

    Cashman mistakes:

    Burnett
    Feliciano
    Marte (both the trade and the contract)
    Igawa
    Pavano
    Wright
    Randy Johnson (over Carlos Beltran)
    Javy Vazquez (both times)
    Farnsworth
    Karsay
    Every LOOGY since Mike Stanton the first time
    Contereras
    Estaban Loiza

    Now to be fair – there are a lot of moves in here that only look bad with the benefit of hindsight – but there are some real whoppers too and you’ll notice that most of them are in the pitching staff – again it leads me to question Brian’s choices in advisors when it comes to matters surrounding pitching.

    Ownership Mistakes
    Soriano
    Sheff
    Kevin Brown – I blame this on ownership because it was ownership that pressured Cashman to trade Lilly – which he did for Weaver who was terrible and when there was absolutely no way to keep Weaver around the only thing Brian could get for him was Brown.

  224. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    towers said they offered a deal to kuroda and never heard back from him. word was he wanted to go back to japan. now theres a rumor that he’s negotiating with a japanese team. seems to me like theres little chance of landing him unless he just cant get a decent offer back home.

  225. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    GB7

    I can’t believe randy hasn’t mentioned his boy toy Livan.

  226. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    GB7

    Things are good here, thanks.

    The sled will need wheels this year. No snow.

    It’s been quite mild so far.

    Looks like it may be a brown Christmas.

    I home you’re keeping the trade proposals all straight.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You know I do.

    Trade Burnett and eat $31 mil of his contract for a Subway Roast beef sub

    Trade Montero to 5 different teams at the same time and hope nobody finds out

    trade Nunez for Ramiro Pena (I know the Yanks already have him, but, this is LoHud..it makes no difference)

    trade Hughes and Swisher to Cleveland for Shelly Duncan and pick up all 3 salaries

    sign Kuroda for $60 mil for four years

    and demand for a do over on the Darvish posting

    They still have a couple of trades cooking, not quite done. I’ll keep you posted.

  227. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Parker from the Cahill trade might have more upside than anyone in the Gio deal.

  228. Chip December 22nd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Alright everyone – I’m out.

    Merry Christmas
    Happy Hanukkah
    Enjoy Kwanza

    Be safe, be happy and be healthy.

  229. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    towers said they offered a deal to kuroda and never heard back from him. word was he wanted to go back to japan. now theres a rumor that he’s negotiating with a japanese team. seems to me like theres little chance of landing him unless he just cant get a decent offer back home.
    ====================

    How about if Cashman wears a disguise like James Bond in “Diamonds are Forever”, and tells him that the Yanks are moving to Japan?

  230. Irreverent Discourse December 22nd, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    4time – Gio is stuck under arbitration until 2016, Cahill is definitely owed $29mil over the next 4 years. Gio was significantly more valuable aside from the fact that he’s a much better pitcher than Cahill.

  231. disco stu December 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Should we start taking bets on when the Yankees will make their next trade? This off season, next year’s non waiver trade deadline, next off season, 2027?

    I mean we all know they have so many cant miss prospects that any team should just beg us to part with but maybe after some sould searching Cashman may relent and give up that great AA middle reliever (what’s his name?) for Matt Cain next July … maybe.

  232. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    So now we have a baseline for Garza pretty much after the Gio and Latos trades…..the price SHOULD be south of both of those

  233. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    ==============

    LMAO! Good post!

  234. jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Kuroda is not going to get half of what he could get in the US in Japan. If he goes to Japan it will be because he really wants to go back home.

  235. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 22nd, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Wave Your Hat,

    I think the Yankees are “standing pat” until a more elite arm is available.

    I’m sorry, but Gio is not elite. Any which way you cut it. Someone on here corrected me and pointed out that he has two full years of 200+ innings under his belt. That’s good and he is a lefty, but he walks a lot of hitters, has been pitching in a cavernous ballpark, and excepting Texas, is in a division with relatively weak lineups (Anaheim and Seattle’s offensives have been jokes the past couple years).

    I’ve said it a thousand times, the Yankees will not and do not need to move any of their top prospects unless it is a difference maker, that being an Ace or upper tier #2 starter.

  236. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 4:56 pm
    GB7

    I can’t believe randy hasn’t mentioned his boy toy Livan.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    That’s pretty cold hearted, Maine. He still cries himself to sleep over that.

  237. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    :lol:

    My money’s on 2027 now.

    This team is perfect.

    And the prospects are all #1 in all of baseball!

  238. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Chip

    You mixed in mistakes George made in your list.

    As far as the others you have no way of knowing if Cashman made the decisions on his own or with influence from the top.

    If the list of mistakes were all Cashmans he wouldn’t still have a job.

  239. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 pm
    GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    ==============

    LMAO! Good post!

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Thanks, Ghost. You gotta have a good chuckle after a day of this stuff.

  240. Giuseppe Franco December 22nd, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Cashman mistakes:

    Burnett
    Feliciano
    Marte (both the trade and the contract)
    Igawa
    Pavano
    Wright
    Randy Johnson (over Carlos Beltran)
    Javy Vazquez (both times)
    Farnsworth
    Karsay
    Every LOOGY since Mike Stanton the first time
    Contereras
    Estaban Loiza

    Now to be fair – there are a lot of moves in here that only look bad with the benefit of hindsight – but there are some real whoppers too and you’ll notice that most of them are in the pitching staff – again it leads me to question Brian’s choices in advisors when it comes to matters surrounding pitching.

    Ownership Mistakes
    Soriano
    Sheff
    Kevin Brown – I blame this on ownership because it was ownership that pressured Cashman to trade Lilly – which he did for Weaver who was terrible and when there was absolutely no way to keep Weaver around the only thing Brian could get for him was Brown.

    ————

    Most of the players on your Cashman mistake list are irrelevant because they are long gone and have nothing to do with the payroll/roster inflexibility as it stands now through 2014.

    Every GM is going to hit on some and strike out on others over a span of more than a decade. In that regard, Cashman is no different than the best of GMs.

    If ownership had major issues with the way Cashman has done his job the last few years, they wouldn’t have been so quick to resign him once the 2011 season was over. Everybody knew it was going to get done so ownership certainly seems to trust him a lot more than you think.

    The Boss might have tried to stick it to Cashman as you’ve described but I tend to doubt Hal does.

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