Gonzalez traded to Washington in another prospect-loaded deal
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 22, 2011 
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Another young starting pitcher is on the move, and another boatload of prospects is the cost.
Today the Nationals traded for A’s lefty Gio Gonzalez. In return, Washington sent a package of four young players to Oakland: Right-handers A.J. Cole and Brad Peacock, left-hander Tom Milone and catcher Derek Norris.
In a strong Washington system, Peacock and Cole ranked third and fourth on Baseball America’s list of Nationals prospects, while Norris ranked ninth. Milone ranked outside of their Top 10, but he was credited with the system’s best changeup and best control, and he’s coming off a strong season split between Triple-A and the big leagues.
It’s another significant package of young players, the kind Brian Cashman has not been willing to deal in his own search for starting pitching this winter.
King Felix, Cole Hamels or bust.
So much for Beane wanting outfielders or a 3B.
Glad somebody took care of the Felix-mention right out of the gate. We almost missed it in the last thread!
Have Pitchers and Catchers reported yet ?
/Fastforwarded
In truth, if these are the kinds of prices that Cash would have to pay to bring back a good young pitcher, then I think that he is totally in the right for standing pat. I think that our prospects really could be exciting, strong players if given a chance. Moreover, how times did Cash get burnt trading away prospects for what appeared to be good young pitchers? He’s made that mistake at least two times in the past (Weaver and Vazquez).
There were plenty of red flags surrounding Gio. I’m glad that we didn’t get mixed up in this deal.
There are 2 types of Prospect-Hugging disease:
1) Hyper- Too much
2) Hypo- Too little
They are both bad.
And both are dangerous.
What you want is balance.
Ghostwriter
(Weaver and Vazquez).
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When Cashman got those two it looked like a good move.
Both young and trending forward.
Just a little paaatience. I’m already anxious to see if we can make another splash before the 13 season with garcia again.
im okay with each of these passes cash has taken so far this offseason.
Freddy Garcia is merely a precursor to King Felix. They are countrymen and best buds.
What awesome prospects will Beane get when he deals away this batch of prospects??>
Cash is gunshy after the Vazquez trade. After watching Vizcaino emerge, Cash is now going to be afraid to trade even A-ball guys with potential.
Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Glad somebody took care of the Felix-mention right out of the gate. We almost missed it in the last thread!
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I didn’t think Hernandez for the 2012 Scranton and Charleston rosters plus Hank needed to be mentioned. That’s a given.
Y’s-
Same here. Asking prices were too high for non-studs.
Seller’s market.
Mad Prince-
No, Gio is not “elite”. Certainly not yet. But, he’d be the second best pitcher on the Yanks. He’s a young lefty, and being a young lefty, there’s nothing alarming about his walk rate.
If the Yanks stand pat with Nova, Garcia, Hughes and AJ backing up CC while waiting for some mythical “elite” pitcher to fall in their laps 2012 could be a disappointing year.
With Freddy Garcia on staff, King Felix will not be exercising his no-trade-clause.
The blueprint was laied during the Cliff Lee trade talks with the Mariners.
For all that think the Yankess aren’t doing enough.
BloggingBombers If I could give one thing this holiday season to many Yankees fans on Twitter, it would be perspective. 25 teams would love your problems. 4 hours ago · reply · retweet · fav
There was no way this rotation was getting by the Rangers in the ALCS. It’s the exact same rotation – not exactly a great problem to have. We need another ace. King Felix, Cole Hamels or bust.
Hmmmm. Not sure I believe it, but it would be cool if Morrison broke the story before the Heyman, Olney, Rosenthal crowd:
LoMoMarlins Logan Morrison
Just heard from my boy that Prince to Seattle is a done deal.
GB7
I saw the RS were considering Neil Allen for pitching coach.
I think they then realized it would mean randy would be hanging around and quickly nixed that idea.
Clearly, Bret has the pulse of the Yankee front office as well as the Seattle front office.
Now it’s time to hear his demands for King Felix and Hamels everyday for the next year.
The good news is Arodys Vizcaino will pitch out of the bullpen in Atlanta. Atlanta believes he will eventually be a starter but there’s no guarantee of that yet. Melky could end up being the biggest loss in that trade – and we will sign him for RF next year anyways.
BloggingBombers If I could give one thing this holiday season to many Yankees fans on Twitter, it would be perspective. 25 teams would love your problems.
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25 other teams don’t have $200 million dollar payrolls along with a plethora of resources, both prospects and financial, that the Yankees do.
These kind of rebuttals are always silly because no one factors in the significant advantage the Yankees have in resources over everyone else. They have less problems than teams with 1\2 their payroll? Boy, I would hope so.
I could do it for 2 years even…or more.
Oh, cool, blogging bombers thinks other teams have problems too. That’s great. We’re money now. And wait, 25 teams wish? Doesn’t only one team win it all?
Bret
You are the hare and Cashman is the tortoise.
Cole Hamels is a possibility. Felix, no way they are trading him to us.
Also, Philly will want an exorbitant price to trade Hamels to their AL rival most likely to appear against them in the WS year after year.
“LoMoMarlins Logan Morrison
Just heard from my boy that Prince to Seattle is a done deal.”
Well, there goes any chance at getting King Felix for this year or probably next year.
Why on earth would a team with the Best 2011 AL Record, All it’s offensive regulars, and All it’s SP’s returning in 2012, mortgage it’s farm system inna trade for 1 SP?
It Wouldn’t – It Didn’t -
I would really like to make a wager with Bret on whether the Yanks sign Melky next year to be their everyday RF, but as Nick would contest, he doesn’t pay his debts so I won’t bother.
Wave,
I agree that expecting some big-timer to become available is not exactly a sure thing, not to mention that many teams would certainly be making offers, but my point is that there really is zero incentive for the Yankees to drop their top prospects on anything less right now.
I’m racking my brains for available starters that would be #2 for the Yankees and am drawing a blank.
Gavin Floyd isn’t a #2, IMO. Edwin Jackson sure as hell isn’t.
I know I’m going to get blasted for this, but why not take a risk on Oswalt for a year? All that requires is a check and no prospects. Offer to give AJ away for a picnic basket full of fine wine and cheese (and half his remaining salary). Then, if someone gets hurt, youngsters like Betances, Noesi, etc. will have the opportunity to log some innings at the big league level.
Then, if someone becomes available that is worth dumping prospects on, make the move.
Amaro already said he sees no reason why they won’t get an extension done with Hamels. I’m sure they’ve talked to his agent and have an idea of what it takes to get him.
I would be surprised if Prince Fielder goes to Seattle. He can play for a winning team.
why would prince go to seattle with that oversized ballpark?
even he will have trouble putting 30 homers up there.
Yank 97:
I suspect Lomo is just effing around with the Twitter population.
most likely to appear against them in the WS year after year.
You know.. that’s twice I’ve heard that today and it didn’t make sense to me either way.
You are going to exclude an entire franchise as a trading partner because you and them might both end up being the last men standing after 162 games and 2 crapshoot series? I highly doubt that.
Not trading within your division is one thing, within the AL another… not trading because of one series a year is nuts.
MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 5:19 pm
GB7
I saw the RS were considering Neil Allen for pitching coach.
I think they then realized it would mean randy would be hanging around and quickly nixed that idea
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OUCH!!! LMAO. Randy’s taking a beating today from his friends.
We’re not really your friends Randy.
If Felix becomes “King” of NY, what does that make CC?
It looks to me that stud-level FA Pitchers are going to become as rare as Albino Gorillas but not quite as rare as Yeti sightings.
They will certainly make the endangered species list and receive “protected” status by their respective teams.
Best for the Yankees to continue with their in-house “captive breeding” program.
re-post, in case you missed it in the ‘quick thread’…
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Considering how much Felix is discussed around here, I thought you might enjoy a holiday greeting from him…
http://tinyurl.com/c6lek3s
Happy Holidays Yankee fans,
~Rosy
Mad Prince-
It’s just my opinion, but I prefer Gonzalez to Oswalt, given the salary difference and health concerns. I’d have been happy to see the Yanks trade a package like Betances, Romine, Phelps, Mitchell plus to get him. I’d have been happy to throw in Noesi. The Yanks don’t need all these AAA pitchers.
Giuseppe Franco December 22nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
I would really like to make a wager with Bret on whether the Yanks sign Melky next year to be their everyday RF, but as Nick would contest, he doesn’t pay his debts so I won’t bother.
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The real gamble is would you get the Atlanta Melky or the KC one?
This is not rocket science
to get a top rotation pitcher:
1) you pony up 4 prospects
2) you pony up 100 million
There is no buying on the cheap, the NYY FO has yet to learn this
And everytime one should go with the latter, its less risk. Sure you lost the $, but at least you kept the prospects…this is why going cheap on Darvish was a terrible blunder by the FO
ID,
I think you can put Philly high on the list of teams that really philosophically hate the Yankees (even though they copies our formula!)
Great trade for the Nats as they keep all their top tier prospects and move second tier guys- save for maybe Cole- for Gio.
Nats play in a big ballpark so that should keep Gio’s #’s in line with what he’s done over the last year or two and he slots nicely in between Strasburg and Zimmerman.
The next move for the Nats is to sign Prince to a 6yr 150mm deal an that team can challenge the Phils next year for the division. With Prince in the fold they may have the better lineup and the pitching 1-12 matches up well enough.
Espinoza 2B
Werth CF
Zimmerman 3B
Prince 1B
Morse LF
Bryce RF
Ramos C
Desmond SS
pitcher
could be the best lineup in the NL
Strasburg
Gio
Zimmerman
Clipp
Storen
nice pieces to go to war with
There is a bit of a rivalry with the Yanks and Phils the last few years.
Not quite as heated as NYY/BOS or NYY/NYM but I could see moves not happening due to that.
Not giving up Nunez continues to haunt the Yankees. That has changed the course of destiny. Lee on NYY = no spitting wife incident. No Rangers to knock us out. We would have blown by the Giants and won #28, Lee wouldn’t have left off that. We would have had CC-Lee at the top of the rotation last year and probably gotten past the Tigers and we’d be in great position this year and for the next 5 years.
Now, we’re searching the globe for a #2 but can’t find one, either because they are either all signing extensions or Cashman is afraid to give up prospects.
GB7
He’s no friend.
He was here in Maine and didn’t even stop and say Hi.
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The SF Melky could be the best Melky yet and then they’ll extend him. #melkymesaistheonlymelkyforusnow
All else being equal, if the Yankees dump off AJ and pay 2/3 of his contract, they really don’t pay much if they replace him with a cheap player (i.e. definitely not Kuroda).
AJ’s salary is $16.5 mil/year for the next two years. The objective is to get another team to pay 1/3 of that (like Lowe). That leaves the Yankees paying $11mil/year. However, if all of that $16.5mil/year salary comes off the books, and it is not replaced by other salary, that means they pay $6.6mil/year less in luxury taxes. That leaves them effectively paying $4.4mil/year (x2) to get rid of AJ.
I think you replace him with Noesi performance wise it is at minimum a sideways move, and quite possibly an improvement. Noesi had a 4.47 ERA in the majors last year, which is about as much as you could reasonably hope for from AJ, considering his ERA’s the past two years were over 5. Small sample size for Noesi, but watching him I see no reason he could not continue at least at that pace. Noesi threw 160 innings in 2010 in the minors (3.20 ERA), and the team rule I believe is +30 from highest, which puts him at 190 innings (he is throwing winter ball as a starter this year to stretch out). AJ pitched 190 innings in 2011. Noesi is 25 and should be able to replace AJ’s workload.
So the only possible problems here would be to get another team to pay $5.5mil/year for AJ, and possibly to get AJ to waive his no trade clause. That could be taken care of by telling him he will be a back of the bullpen pitcher the next two years if he doesn’t accept a trade, anywhere.
So would anyone pay $5.5mil/year x 2 for “great stuff” AJ Burnett?
Even GB7 should like this idea as he has been smoking the Noesi pipe for a while now.
Maine I’ve decided that you and Randy should run for Pres and VP of the US. With my diplomatic ways and gentle heart, I’d be perfect as the Secretary Of State and combine it with Secretary Of Offense.
Come July 31, or whenever necessity warrants, Cashman will be glad he has all those young, cheap SP’s at his disposal. Coin of the realm.
The good news is that the Ham Fighers will be posting Melky Hirasawa next year.
GF,
I could see small deals happening, but not sending one of their aces to New York.
MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Giuseppe Franco December 22nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
I would really like to make a wager with Bret on whether the Yanks sign Melky next year to be their everyday RF, but as Nick would contest, he doesn’t pay his debts so I won’t bother.
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The real gamble is would you get the Atlanta Melky or the KC one?
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I think there will be a significant regression in Melky’s 2012 numbers. I’d bet the Yanks would rather sign Swisher long term than re-acquire Melky.
I think they kept Nunez to leverage Jeter.
And it would have been a shame to up Montero + just to have Cliff Lee sign with….the Phillies.
“Come July 31, or whenever necessity warrants, Cashman will be glad he has all those young, cheap SP’s at his disposal. Coin of the realm.”
Hasn’t worked out that way lately.
CompassRosy December 22nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm
re-post, in case you missed it in the ‘quick thread’…
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Considering how much Felix is discussed around here, I thought you might enjoy a holiday greeting from him…
http://tinyurl.com/c6lek3s
Happy Holidays Yankee fans,
~Rosy
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You’re just trying to tease us with The King!
(ok that was kind of funny)
Tank December 22nd, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Not giving up Nunez continues to haunt the Yankees. That has changed the course of destiny. Lee on NYY = no spitting wife incident. No Rangers to knock us out. We would have blown by the Giants and won #28, Lee wouldn’t have left off that. We would have had CC-Lee at the top of the rotation last year and probably gotten past the Tigers and we’d be in great position this year and for the next 5 years.
Now, we’re searching the globe for a #2 but can’t find one, either because they are either all signing extensions or Cashman is afraid to give up prospects.
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The SF Giants solved Lee in the 2010 Word Series. Destiny is for romance novels. I think you’re really reaching here.
GB7
Well you can be quite offensive.
I think some here would attest to that.
Hasn’t needed to use ‘em.
Rosy-
Happy Holidays to you.
I hope you get Prince so your team will begin to have an Offense to go with your wonderful young Pitching.
Bettances will be better than Gio Gonzales in 2yrs!
You heard it here.
Giuseppe Franco
I think there will be a significant regression in Melky’s 2012 numbers. I’d bet the Yanks would rather sign Swisher long term than re-acquire Melky.
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I tend to agree with that sentiment.
Rapidally running out of avaliable pitchers that GM’s here can propose trades for. Gio and Danks must have consumed days of commentary, now they are both gone.
Nick in SF December 22nd, 2011 at 5:32 pm
The SF Melky could be the best Melky yet and then they’ll extend him. #melkymesaistheonlymelkyforusnow
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You think Melky could be the new “San Francisco Treat”?
m December 22nd, 2011 at 5:33 pm
GF,
I could see small deals happening, but not sending one of their aces to New York.
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I think that’s fair.
You can also add Texas to that list of teams that would probably prefer to walk across hot coals than deal with the Yanks.
Ranger fans don’t like the Yanks very much, which reflects the views of their team president.
Cafardo had a 4:02 post saying the Sox were still in on Gio.
Then there was a 4:18 post saying the Nationals were trading for him.
MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 5:38 pm
GB7
Well you can be quite offensive.
I think some here would attest to that.
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I believe it’s better to more offensive than defensive.
It’s possible that at 4:02 Cherington was still trying to deal his garbage for Gio.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....on-edition
Some Yankee mentions on this strange but true article.
What happened to pitching pitching pitching?
“And it would have been a shame to up Montero + just to have Cliff Lee sign with….the Phillies”
No way of ever knowing that would have happened or not … maybe Lee liked the idea of being the northeast as opposed to Texas and after spending the 2nd half of 2010 with the Yankees and his best bud CC, New York would have suited him just fine for the long haul – especially if the Yankees had won the WS … he would have been the toast of THE town.
Pitching pitching pitching is expensive expensive expensive, and the Yankees have zero need zero need zero need to overpay overpay overpay.
GB7
I believe it’s better to more offensive than defensive.
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I guess you missed the memo that defense wins championships.
Endangered species list in order :
Young cost-contolled # 1 Staring Pitchers
•Mountain Gorilla
•Leatherback Sea Turtle
•Northern White Rhinoceros
•California Condor
•Brown Spider Monkey
•Red Wolf
•Chinese Alligator
•Snow Leopard
•Giant Panda
•Blue Whale
•Tasmanian Devil
•Bonobo
Hypothetically….If the Yanks made the trade for Gio….and had to give up a similar (to Washington’s prospects) package for him….
Who would “that package” comprise of ???
(Good discussion for those that know minor league players pretty well)
Tasmanian Devil is endangered?
That’s sad.
Banuelos would have been gone in that Gio deal.
So no deal.
UpState December 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Hypothetically….If the Yanks made the trade for Gio….and had to give up a similar (to Washington’s prospects) package for him….
Who would “that package” comprise of ???
(Good discussion for those that know minor league players pretty well)
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It’s pretty much academic now, Yanks were not going to trade any prospects.
Banuelos is the one prospect I hug.
disco stu December 22nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm
“And it would have been a shame to up Montero + just to have Cliff Lee sign with….the Phillies”
No way of ever knowing that would have happened or not … maybe Lee liked the idea of being the northeast as opposed to Texas and after spending the 2nd half of 2010 with the Yankees and his best bud CC, New York would have suited him just fine for the long haul – especially if the Yankees had won the WS … he would have been the toast of THE town.
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Without trying to be disrespectful that sounds like a nice fairytail.
My point being is we can spin it however we want to support a theory.
jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 5:37 pm
You’re just trying to tease us with The King!
(ok that was kind of funny)
Larry’s become quite the popular character (even got his own bobble-head last season)
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MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Rosy-
Happy Holidays to you.
I hope you get Prince so your team will begin to have an Offense to go with your wonderful young Pitching.
Thanks, MTU.
I’m not holding my breath on Prince (though it does seem so right to have a Prince to go along with the King). I’m just hoping they can find some offense SOMEwhere, ANYwhere…
The Adam Dunn tidbits are ridiculous.
I’m going to go out on a limb and predict Dunn will have a better 2012 season than his 2011 season.
He’ll still have one of the worst contracts in MLB, but it won’t be as bad.
Hell, I might’ve compiled comparable numbers to Dunn this past season if given the chance.
Perhaps I could have legged out a few swinging bunts to put me over the top?
MTU
Giant Panda
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Are you referring to the Kung Foo one?
Wasn’t the point of the post/question, Gary.
Oh, boy, Logan Morrison now has the inside scoop for Law. Fielder to Seattle is a done deal. This stuff is getting silly with everybody have “The Scoop Of The Year”.
after reading the stuff on here, you can add one more endangered species to your lisr.
“MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Endangered species list in order :
Young cost-contolled # 1 Staring Pitchers
•Mountain Gorilla
•Leatherback Sea Turtle
•Northern White Rhinoceros
•California Condor
•Brown Spider Monkey
•Red Wolf
•Chinese Alligator
•Snow Leopard
•Giant Panda
•Blue Whale
•Tasmanian Devil
•Bonobo
**** New York Yankees***
MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
MTU
Giant Panda
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Are you referring to the Kung Foo one?
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Not as long as the food supply lasts
UpState December 22nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Wasn’t the point of the post/question, Gary.
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Sorry upstate, just some frustration. I don’t think the Yanks were reasonable to the market and teams just went looking for other suitors who were glad to improve their clubs. I think many clubs just stopped talking to the Yanks due to their inflexable positions. Those clubs aren’t dumb they aren’t going to trade good players unless they get value in return. It not expensive it’s just good business.
CompassRosy
If you get The Prince and you have The King and Queen(you) things will be pretty well set.
Maine-
I don’t make the list. I just report it.
Does Kung Foo have black and white patches all over his body, and have eyes like a racoon ?
Also, Does he like to eat Bamboo ?
GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Oh, boy, Logan Morrison now has the inside scoop for Law. Fielder to Seattle is a done deal. This stuff is getting silly with everybody have “The Scoop Of The Year”.
Actually, it’s old news. And, it was Tacoma, not Seattle…
http://tinyurl.com/7uwskc7
So who is left, Oswalt, Kuroda,Colon did I miss anybody?
The Yankees offered the highest AAV or something like that. It wasn’t exactly insulting. And his buddy, CC, was still with the team when he hit FA.
He had three good situations, but chose to go to Philly. Playing with Halladay would be alluring, tho. I give him that.
But, ugh, calling us old and stuff? Whatevers.
Rosy-
You are too nice of a Lady, and way to dedicated to the M’s for you to wind up with coal in your stocking.
GB-
I forgot another one.
Contending Red Sox teams.
Where would you place it on the list ?
Rumor was just reported by Law about 15 minutes ago.
Thanks for the almonte correction. sounded like Danny. Both are same age, same size. Just screwed up.
that last post was to Rosy
Wave,
“Come July 31, or whenever necessity warrants, Cashman will be glad he has all those young, cheap SP’s at his disposal. Coin of the realm.”
Hasn’t worked out that way lately.”
Not trying to pick on you, but it hasn’t worked out lately because all the available options have been underwhelming after Cliff Lee. Ubaldo sucked for Cleveland…not sure who else there was..Edwin Jackson (yet again) who no GM in their right mind would give an elite prospect for. There just has not been too much to work with. Greinke I guess could have been an options, but you had the inevitable “he can’t handle the NY pressure” concern that was probably more justified with Greinke than it was for others in years past.
Its really a case of quantity and after Cliff Lee in 2010, there haven’t been too many worthwhile options.
NTU….too late for the list, Extinct
As I said earlier…..I think Betances, Noesi, Romine, Phelps/Warren is a good comp for what the Nats gave up. I think Banuelos is better and closer to the bigs than Cole is……
The price for Garza should be somewhere south of that
MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm
CompassRosy
If you get The Prince and you have The King and Queen(you) things will be pretty well set.
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Send WCYF to Seattle as the queen
GB-
You mean like DoDo birds or Unicorns ?
Blake-
You’re more likely to see the Lock Ness Monster, or Bigfoot than to see Cash acquire Garza.
(Sorry Kate).
blake December 22nd, 2011 at 6:10 pm
The price for Garza should be somewhere south of that
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Not so sure about that, again this year the price has been set pretty high and no shortage of clubs that won’t pay it. To get Garza I think you would have to put pretty much the same names on the table.
No problem, Gary…I’m sure alot here know more about prospects (ours and other teams’) than I do….was hoping someone would be able to put a “parallel package” of Yankee prospects that we would to have bundled to give the A’s the “same value” as Washington sent them….
Knowledgeable “Minor League” prospect posters ???
Cole is 19 and just finished Low A ball. Must be potential because the season wasn’t that great.
Gio has twice as many years of control as Garza.
Is there any news or comments from the Yanks front office? Haven’t heard a thing, have they all left for Christmas?
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 6:10 pm
GB-
You mean like DoDo birds or Unicorns
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and Elvis Presley sightings
yanks have made a lot of trades and FA sigbings but says he wants to wait until opening day to announce anything as a surprise to the fans,
***signings***
GB ~
oh – I was wondering if you’d seen my Almonte post.
I had to look it up myself when I first heard his name awhile back…
Apparently Danny is coaching high school ball in NY and Denny was drafted by the M’s in 2007
The Nats paid a high price for a lefty starter.
Very glad the Yankees did not make this trade.
Cashman is a smart GM and the moves he has not yet made this off-season
will pay off somewhere down the line.
LoMoMarlins Logan Morrison
In real @MLB Hot Stove news, Yu Darvish is dating Kim Kardashian…
I hope we find one or two “Cuban cigars” in the Yankee’s Xmas stocking, or under their Tree.
Soler and/or Cespedes “brand” would be a worthy present.
I think Cashman is biding his time, just waiting for Igawa to return to Japan and be posted again…..
“Cole is 19 and just finished Low A ball. Must be potential because the season wasn’t that great.”
Yea its upside……Beane did ok but the Nats got Gio and really kept the guys they wanted to keep. Good deal for them……the NL East is going to be interesting…..unless its a Mets game.
Hate pitchers that walk a lot of batters….glad they didn’t give up a slew of prospects for Gio.
Way not to overpay, Cash. Stick with the 5 year plan.
Beane just keeps trading guys, and never wins a playoff game….
I think the Red paid more for Latos…..certainly gave more that’s closer to the big leagues.
Igawa will be Pitching for the Fukishima “Reactors” of the Japanese Pacific League.
Rumor has it that he’ll be their “mopup” Man.
Halladay
Lee
Hamels
Hudson
Hanson
Jurrjens
Johnson
Buerhle
A. Sanchez
Strasburg
Zimmerman
Gio
Pelfrey
RA Dickey
Niese
Nice
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Igawa will be Pitching for the Fukishima “Reactors” of the Japanese Pacific League.
Rumor has it that he’ll be their “mopup” Man.
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The fans would be used to him. They’re used to meltdowns.
yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Way not to overpay, Cash. Stick with the 5 year plan.
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I did not know we are on a 5 year plan, are we really on a 5 year plan?
God I hope not
Tank December 22nd, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Not giving up Nunez continues to haunt the Yankees. That has changed the course of destiny. Lee on NYY = no spitting wife incident. No Rangers to knock us out. We would have blown by the Giants and won #28,
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Yeah, guess you missed the Giants taking Cliffie the other way all series long.
CC
Nova
Hughes, Freddy
AJ
Noesi
Warren
Phelps
Mitchell
Banuelos
Beatnces
Not quite as nice.
Volume is good.
i never knew that the number of deals made equated with guaranteed success on the field. i’ll have to write that down somewhere.
IIRC the deal was made for Lee and Jack Z. demanded Nunez last minute so Cash refused. How can you fault the guy for that, when the deal gets changed last minute 9 times out of 10 you’re getting played? I applaud Cash for his restraint and not giving in.
There is no way of knowing whether Lee would have re-signed or not had they made that deal. It’s time to move on and be happy Montero has arrived.
There are valid reason why some of you are not GM’s(unless we are talking about fantasy baseball).
These days team are paying a very, very high price when making a trade.
Are you telling me Gio is a legit ace starter, worthy of 4 prospects from the Yankees system?
I don’t think so.
GB-
Instead of autographing baseballs or programs he could just hand out autographed Sunglasses.
Or hand engraved Kei Igawa Geiger counters.
YESNetwork YES Network
Swisher on 2nite’s Yanks BB Daily (7 pm), on his trip to Afgh’stan: “If I wasn’t proud to be an American before I went over there…(con’t)
YESNetwork YES Network
Swish, Pt. 2: “…it’s times a million after that.” .@BobLorenz, @JackCurryYES, @BloggingBombers and Willie te ago FavRandolph coming @ U @ 7 2nite
edit: hand out. sorry.
champ809 December 22nd, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Bettances will be better than Gio Gonzales in 2yrs!
You heard it here.
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Yeah, he’s special. But if you like him so much, spell his name right
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BETANCES
Gary, no worries; we are already in year 3.
Doesn’t mean we won’t make moves if they make sense. But we are not going to senselessly gut the system in an overpay for a non-ace.
MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Ghostwriter
(Weaver and Vazquez).
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When Cashman got those two it looked like a good move.
Both young and trending forward.
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Yeah, I know. That was my point. Going out and getting Gio also looked like a good move. Sometimes it’s just better to stand pat.
Warning Track Power December 22nd, 2011 at 6:33 pm
There are valid reason why some of you are not GM’s(unless we are talking about fantasy baseball).
These days team are paying a very, very high price when making a trade.
Are you telling me Gio is a legit ace starter, worthy of 4 prospects from the Yankees system?
I don’t think so.
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Agree, none of us here qualifies to be a GM, but we all have fun oretending to be one.
The only thing that was important is that Washington thought he was and he was worth the prospects. I tend to give baseball people even at other teams credit for knowing their business and a heck of alot more about it than you or me.
Mike_Boston December 22nd, 2011 at 6:33 pm
IIRC the deal was made for Lee and Jack Z. demanded Nunez last minute so Cash refused. How can you fault the guy for that, when the deal gets changed last minute 9 times out of 10 you’re getting played? I applaud Cash for his restraint and not giving in.
There is no way of knowing whether Lee would have re-signed or not had they made that deal. It’s time to move on and be happy Montero has arrived.
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Jack Z tried to Bill Smith the Yankees…Shopping the deal multiple time and then asking for more. shop it once or get out of the way.
Igawa’s funky sunglasses will come in handy when the Reactors play their home games..
yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Gary, no worries; we are already in year 3.
Doesn’t mean we won’t make moves if they make sense. But we are not going to senselessly gut the system in an overpay for a non-ace.
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I’ve heard alot of baseball people say he is a near top of rotation pitcher. So I don’t think he’s a non ace.
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 6:34 pm
GB-
Instead of autographing baseballs or programs he could just hand out autographed Sunglasses.
Or hand engraved Kei Igawa Geiger counters.
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Glow-In-The-Dark Kei Igawa Bobbleheads.
Wow GB.
YOU are a marketing genius.
That never even crossed my mind.
ATLANTA (AP)—Jamal Lewis, Dorsey Levens and two other former NFL players have sued the league over brain injuries that they say left them struggling with medical problems years after their playing days ended.
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Don’t know what the league can really do. The game has become so violent and the players have such superb speed and conditioning that even with the rule changes it’s guided missles flying out there. Amazing how many players have had multiple concussions and they are going to be in the same boat as these guys.
GB-
Forget Posting fees.
That will easily supplant them.The team that gets Igawa will be flush.
Or was that “flushed” ?
Oh well. they’ll make a ton of Yen in any case.
Jack Z tried to Bill Smith the Yankees…Shopping the deal multiple time and then asking for more. shop it once or get out of the way.
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Exactly GB. How dumb is the guy, they could have had Montero and Fielder as a hell of a 3/4! Guess that also means they’re not too pleased with Smoak. Cash is laughing at that clown.
Ghostwriter
Yeah, I know. That was my point. Going out and getting Gio also looked like a good move. Sometimes it’s just better to stand pat.
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The cost in prospects has skyrocketed since those other trades and makes it less desirable to do now.
ATLANTA (AP)—Jamal Lewis, Dorsey Levens and two other former NFL players have sued the league over brain injuries that they say left them struggling with medical problems years after their playing days ended.
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They chose to play. Accept responsibility for your own actions. It’s ridiculous to claim that you had no idea being whacked in the head and other areas of the body repeatedly might not be good for your health.
Mike-
Care to Guess what Jack Z’s favorite food is ?
That’s right. Jamaican “jerk” chicken.
It’s his favorite.
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Wow GB.
YOU are a marketing genius.
That never even crossed my mind.
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I think that’s the only time GB7 and genius have been used in the same sentence.
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Maine-
Need I remind you that it is Xmas !
Gary December 22nd, 2011 at 6:41 pm
I’ve heard alot of baseball people say he is a near top of rotation pitcher. So I don’t think he’s a non ace.
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Felix is an ace. Gio is good but he is not an ace. Gio’s FIP is 50 points higher than his ERA: 3.64/3.12 and he walks too many batters. You are overpaying for what you hope he becomes.
jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 6:51 pm
ATLANTA (AP)—Jamal Lewis, Dorsey Levens and two other former NFL players have sued the league over brain injuries that they say left them struggling with medical problems years after their playing days ended.
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They chose to play. Accept responsibility for your own actions. It’s ridiculous to claim that you had no idea being whacked in the head and other areas of the body repeatedly might not be good for your health.
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No problem with your analysis, it’s a physical game and your going to get hurt.
I think the argument goes to what the league didn’t due relating to safeguards and restrictions around head injuries. Now they have a trainer I guess in the press box to monitor them after the latest Colt McCoy fiasco. The guy was KO’ed what is he then doing back in the game? The other shame on the league is that they didn’t do anything to help these guys after they were done playing the game. I think these are the issues being contested now.
(In my best Sammy Davis Jr, voice) OUCH, Man. LMAO
MTU, I bet you’re right, going with the Jamaican theme, I’m also assuming he’s smoaking more than just the ol’ peace pipe, based on some of his moves;-)
I wouldn’t have gutted the system for Gio Gonzalez or Matt Latos. Cliff Lee I would have gutted the system for a couple of years ago because we would have repeated WS titles and most likely resigned him. I’m not even going to mention the other pitcher in Seattle as that’s a fantasy that will not happen and a waste of breath.
At this point, the best thing the Yankees can do is stand pat. The prices for pitching are ridiculous. It’s almost better to see what shape Hughes shows up in and see which of the kids may step up like Nova did last season.
The resistance to trying Joba out as a starter again is mind boggling when you have a pen w/Mo, Robbie, Soriano already.
The only thing I would do is see quickly if Swisher could net us a rotation upgrade. They need to do it while Beltran and/or Andruw Jones are still available. 2 years of Beltran will not hurt this team.
Or if he’s gone resign Andruw and find a high contact left handed hitting platoon partner for him. Andruw will replace Swisher’s power against lefties. It would be nice to have a RF who could hit more than .230 against RHP playing RF for us with the short porch. If Swisher hits .230 again against RHP and Texeira hits .220 again vs. RHP this team will lose in the first round again unless Jesus, Grandy and Cano carry them.
Maine-
I’m also a member of the ASPCFSFS.
yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Gary December 22nd, 2011 at 6:41 pm
I’ve heard alot of baseball people say he is a near top of rotation pitcher. So I don’t think he’s a non ace.
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Felix is an ace. Gio is good but he is not an ace. Gio’s FIP is 50 points higher than his ERA: 3.64/3.12 and he walks too many batters. You are overpaying for what you hope he becomes.
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Time will tell, no sense hashing it out we don’t know the answer. I like Pitchers with ERA’s in the three’s, most of our staff isn’t there.
GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 6:56 pm
(In my best Sammy Davis Jr, voice) OUCH, Man. LMAO
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I was just putting into words what I’m sure some of your frenimies were thinking.
Mike-
In super large quantities just like them.
No “objective piping” for him.
No problem with your analysis, it’s a physical game and your going to get hurt.
I think the argument goes to what the league didn’t due relating to safeguards and restrictions around head injuries. Now they have a trainer I guess in the press box to monitor them after the latest Colt McCoy fiasco. The guy was KO’ed what is he then doing back in the game? The other shame on the league is that they didn’t do anything to help these guys after they were done playing the game. I think these are the issues being contested now.
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I also heard the league had hidden a lot of the medical facts going back as far as 1920 for fear of hurting the game. We have to wait and hear the facts before declaring these players are just on a money grab imo.
Not that there is anything wrong with that, right MTU?
I do have some sympathy for players, but not for a lawsuit. It’s always unltimately the player’s choice to go back out there. Sure there is pressure to play, but really the pressure is not getting paid. They risked their health for money. I think you have to accept the consequences. If players want to lobby for a fund for these types of injuries, that is fine, but it’s a different issue really.
I just spilled boiling hot coffee all over my leg.
Can I sue McDonald’s like that other Lady ?
Hey. It’s not my fault, and I want to be rich too.
Mike-
Of course not.
If Saunders goes to the Marlins as rumored, is anyone interested in Chris Volstad for depth/rotation?
G. Love December 22nd, 2011 at 6:59 pm
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Excellent post.
G Love
If you want to move Swisher because you don’t like what he provides, why would some team trade a rotation upgrade to the Yankees for him?
honestly, gio is a fly ball pitcher who’s numbers were helped by his home park.
in two years. manban is a much better pitcher.
let them have him
G. Love-
Good to see you.
Happy Holidays.
Sorry Man but Swish isn’t going anywhere IMO.
MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 7:00 pm
GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 6:56 pm
(In my best Sammy Davis Jr, voice) OUCH, Man. LMAO
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I was just putting into words what I’m sure some of your frenimies were thinking.
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nah, Randy wouldn’t even bother with that one. He’s a shark. He’s my only frienemy. I’m well liked and respected by everyone else on here.
Gb-
“I’m well liked and respected by everyone else on here.”
It’s only “Killer” who continually disrespects you.
MarcCarig Marc Carig
Yankees going to pay $13.9 million in luxury tax, AP reports. Lowest since 2003.
“Killer” only respects two things. Food and his ladies, especially the ones that have food.
GB-
Three.
Beer.
Chris Volstad is terrible, we can’t have him taking away innings from Phil Hughes. Or anyone in AAA. Or AA. Or Single A. Might as well just trade everyone if you’re thinking of signing Chris Volstad.
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 7:13 pm
GB-
Three.
Beer.
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Beer is a food group. It has grains in it.
The Red Sox were one of the finalists for Gio Gonzalez, but GM Ben Cherington was “not motivated” to deal four prospects for Gonzalez, tweets Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe.
That’s a joke. Cherington wouldn’t be able to find four prospects to deal for the likes of Gonzalez.
BTW the Red Sox paid 3.4M in luxury tax
MTU-
The Indians were rumored to have called about Swisher.
JF-
Well I guess that settles that !
Next time be more blunt and don’t mince your words.
Don’t hold back so much.
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Maine-
I’m also a member of the ASPCFSFS.
YT-
I do not think we are trading Swisher.
Do you ?
GB-
Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying that.
Anyway he is disrespectful, lazy, and morally bankrupt.
We know that. He’s got a lot of Gigolo in him.
Fill in the blank:
Carlos Beltran will be a ________________________by XMAS.
trader, you’re totally right.
i’m not sure one of the sox 10 could be on the yankee top 10.
cardinal
Maine-
American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Former Special Forces Soldiers silly.
I wonder if Matt Cain is still out there. SF can use some offense.
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 7:18 pm
JF-
Well I guess that settles that !
Next time be more blunt and don’t mince your words.
Don’t hold back so much.
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He OD’d on punk pills years ago and hasn’t recovered. Nobody said I wanted Volstad. it’s a name that’s going to be out there with Gavin Floyd.
MTU-
Do not think Swisher will be, or should be traded. He’s in a walk year and needs to open some eyes, especially from the left side.
Also don’t believe the Yankees will go and get Cespedes. Soler yes!
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
YT-
I do not think we are trading Swisher.
Do you ?
GB-
Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying that.
Anyway he is disrespectful, lazy, and morally bankrupt.
We know that. He’s got a lot of Gigolo in him.
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Yeah, he’s left a lot of gigolo in other places, too.
YT-
I agree. Swisher is stayin’.
I’ll take either one.
Soler is cheaper and younger.
kd-
Agree. I think Beltran will want to stay in NL and will turn down a bigger offer from the Blue Jays to play in St. Louis.
They’re kidding Randolph about his rotator cuff, and Randolph said, “Yeah, Wave ‘em Home Willie, that’s me.”
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Maine-
American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Former Special Forces Soldiers silly.
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If Erica had been here she would have figured that out.
Wow GB.
Another blockbuster.
Killer” has left his seed elsewhere and created numerous other mini-Gigolos.
I guess I really shouldn’t be surprised.
Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Fill in the blank:
Carlos Beltran will be a ________________________by XMAS.
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Cardinal (not necessarily by “xmas” though)
They chose to play. Accept responsibility for your own actions. It’s ridiculous to claim that you had no idea being whacked in the head and other areas of the body repeatedly might not be good for your health.
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The larger issue is beyond players choosing to play or even laying blame somewhere. When these people began playing sports they were children. We have a problem in our sports culture at a grass roots level that affects children, all the way on up to the pro athlete. These people are not properly protected when they engage in games like football and hockey at the youth level, and the sports culture and rules now have to be changed, in light of new information on CTE, complied by researchers like Ann McKee. Responsibility must begin at the youth level, and amateur and pro sports leagues also will have to make significant rule changes.
To reiterate what GB said yesterday, and why it behooves the Yankees to stay under the 2014 luxury tax threshold of 189M, from the Joel Sherman aricle in the NY Post:[I should just bookmark this article-I've posted it so many times]
If they are at $189 million or less for the three seasons from 2014-16, they not only avoid paying one cent in luxury tax, which would rise to 50 percent for them as repeat offenders, but they also would get roughly $40 million in savings via the to-be-implemented market disqualification revenue sharing program. However, only teams under the luxury-tax threshold get reimbursed in this program, which is designed to prevent big markets such as Toronto and Washington from receiving revenue sharing dollars, which in turn will lower how much teams such as the Yanks pay (as long as they are under the threshold).
And even if they just went under $189 million for 2014 before going over again in 2015, the Yankees would receive serious benefits. They would get about $10 million in the revenue sharing disqualification program. Also, by simply going under the threshold once, the Yankees would go back to having a 17.5 percent tax rather than the 50 percent that begins in 2014 for them if they never go under. Keep in mind that since the luxury tax went to 40 percent for them in 2005, the Yankees have averaged paying $25.75 million in tax annually
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1hJTZ67mH
MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Wow GB.
Another blockbuster.
Killer” has left his seed elsewhere and created numerous other mini-Gigolos.
I guess I really shouldn’t be surprised.
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He’s just a regular “Killer” Appleseed. Lots of seedlings and sap around the neighborhood
Maine-
Yup. No doubt about that. She was a scrabble prodigy.
New thread—>
Yup. No doubt about that. She was a scrabble prodigy
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And now I’m hooked on Words with Friends[scrabble]. Same game that got Alec Baldwin kicked of a flight when he wouldn’t turn it off before takeoff-or was it in midair?