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Looking back at last year’s Top 10 Yankees prospects

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 22, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This year’s Baseball America list of Top 10 Yankees prospects has been revealed. The top of the list looks pretty familiar. Here’s a look back at Baseball America’s Top 10 Yankees prospects from last season.

1. Jesus Montero
This year: No. 1
One of the top young hitters in baseball is back at the top of this year’s Yankees list after a strong second-half in Triple-A led to a big league call-up and an impressive debut.

2. Gary Sanchez
This year: No. 4
Slight drop for Sanchez, but nothing too significant. In his first full season, Sanchez showed some immaturity and inconsistency, but he still hit for power and remains a highly touted young catcher. Some of his drop can be attributed to strong seasons from the next two players on last season’s list.

3. Dellin Betances
This year: No. 3
I’d honestly forgotten that Baseball America had Betances ranked ahead of Manny Banuelos at this time last year. He had a strong showing in Double-A. The walks were a little high, but Betances proved capable of overpowering and overwhelming hitters at that level. Big picture: Not much has changed about his overall prospect status.

4. Manny Banuelos
This year: No. 2
Beginning with a terrific first impression in big league camp, Banuelos very quickly established himself as the Yankees top pitching prospect. Not that Betances was bad, Banuelos simply jumped to the top by showing tremendous potential as a three-pitch starter with command. Like Betances, his walk totals were a little high, but he’s shown flashes of potential dominance.

5. Andrew Brackman
This year: Not in the organization
After a breakout 2010 during which everything seemed to finally come together, Brackman took a giant step backward in 2011. Control issues returned and he went from being one of the Killer Bs to dumped into bullpen duty for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. When it came time to pickup an option for 2012, the Yankees instead let their former first-round pick become a free agent. Hard to have a bigger fall than that.

6. Austin Romine
This year: No. 8
Repeating Double-A didn’t do much to help or hurt Romine’s stock. He’s still seen as the Yankees best defensive catching prospect, and he’s proven to be a solid but not particularly powerful hitter. He still could develop into the Yankees starter, or he could develop into defense-first backup. Either way, he’s still one of the better young catchers in baseball, just doesn’t carry the same superstar label as Montero or Sanchez.

7. Hector Noesi
This year: Graduated to the big leagues
Noesi really emerged as a prospect after a strong and fully healthy 2010 season. He was one of many upper level pitching prospects at the start of the season, but he set himself apart after an unexpected opening in the bullpen gave him a chance to prove himself against big league hitters. Noesi will get a chance to work again as a stater this season, and his prospect stock has probably gone up in the past year.

8. Eduardo Nunez
This year: Graduated to the big leagues
Unlike Noesi, Nunez was given a big league job out of spring training. Seen as a more dynamic player than Ramiro Pena, Nunez won the utility job and showed — at times — why he’s considered a potential everyday shortstop in some circles. His defense was erratic, but he showed plenty of tools and remains the best young shortstop in the system.

9. Slade Heathcott
This year: No. 10
A second shoulder surgery cost Heathcott most of the 2011 season, and now the Yankees have to hope for a full recovery and a fast return onto the prospect track. Still incredibly fast and athletic, Heathcott could be a dynamic center fielder, but Mason Williams and Ravel Santana are rising quickly from the lower levels and surpassed Heathcott on this year’s list.

10. Brandon Laird
This year: Out of the Top 10
Laird will almost surely rank somewhere in the Yankees top 30 prospects when the Prospect Handbook is released, but a so-so Triple-A season — coupled with some standout seasons by players behind him in the system — left Laird out of the Top 10 this time around. A .260/.288/.422 Triple-A slash line was pretty far below the norm for Laird, though he did get his feet wet in New York and could still play a role as a corner utility man.

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141 Responses to “Looking back at last year’s Top 10 Yankees prospects”

  1. kd December 22nd, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    if even the impossibly snakry kieth law sees mason williams as a perennial all star, can’t wait to see what he can do

  2. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Yup. No doubt about that. She was a scrabble prodigy
    ———————————–
    And now I’m hooked on Words with Friends[scrabble]. Same game that got Alec Baldwin kicked of a flight when he wouldn’t turn it off before takeoff-or was it in midair? :)

    Can’t wait to see most on that list be contributors in the near future. Excited to see Monstero for a full season!!

  3. MTU December 22nd, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    YT-

    Jesus should definitely provide some excitement.

  4. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    I am now firmly hitched on the Mason Williams bandwagon.

  5. dogface December 22nd, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Beltran to Cards for 2 years

  6. kd December 22nd, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    yankees trader – cardinals it is for beltran. 2 year deal

  7. BIG AL December 22nd, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    A sign of the times – The country has a do nothing Congress, and we have a do nothing GM.

    Does anyone remember Cashman saying he wants; Pitching, pitching, pitching!

    Well Cash, we’re still waiting, what’s wrong, we haven’t gotten to the C & D SP list yet?

  8. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    ooops. Red sox got hit with the tax, too.

  9. BIG AL December 22nd, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Some one check Cashman’s number, his phone appears to be out-of-order.

  10. hardwired7 December 22nd, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    17 HRs for Sanchez in only 82 games this yr. On the flip side, 93 Ks in 301 ABs. 18-year-olds striking out a ton is certainly nothing new in baseball, even w/the good ones. Not everyone can square it up as easily as Montero.

    That kind of power potential from a dead bat position is definitely intriguing. Hopefully he stays healthy and keeps his head on straight.

  11. Joe from Long Island December 22nd, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    yeah, maybe could have traded for John Lackey. i hear the red sox are looking for prospects.

  12. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I bet it’ll come out that Carlos Beltran took less money/years to play in St.Louis.
    Outfield of Holliday, Beltran, Jay and Craig-not bad.

  13. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Are there any other top hitters left besides Fielder?

  14. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Blake-

    Danks, now Beltran. Who’s next on the list?

  15. Jerkface December 22nd, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    2 years and around 12 mil per year for Beltran, pretty good deal.

  16. DocTodd December 22nd, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    I think Cashman is stuck on a rope on the side of a building somewhere. A 2 year offer to Beltran would have made my Christmas.

  17. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    word is fielder is working out a deal with seattle as we speak

  18. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    The plan is patience…

  19. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    no place for beltran, he won’t hold up every day in the OF you watch. no dh at bats available, and if you put him in RF you are paying $10.5M to swisher to sit the bench. and he still wouldn’t hold up.

  20. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    :(

  21. BIG AL December 22nd, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Cashman:
    I will not pay for any FA, that must prove to me they want to come to the Yankees to play for this team, and not for the money. Give us a home team discount now, or go play elsewhere.

    I will not trade any prospects, after the last big mistake to the Braves, it keeps me up at night. I just can’t pull the trigger, I’m scared I’ll make another big mistake.

    Cashman:
    I offered Pena and AJ for Gio and got turned down, what’s that all about, anti Yankee thinking?

    Other GM’s:
    Brian if you want a top notch player you have to be prepared to give up top talant.

    Cashman:
    I worked hard to develop the farm system, they’re all mine, and no one else can have them, keep your stinking AS players, and I’ll keep my prospects.

  22. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    With another Boston target off of the boards, I’m wondering if their reputation in their treatment of their ex-player is catching up to them. It’s ugly.

  23. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Mason Williams, the new “untouchable”. List of touchables as it currently stands:

    Gustavo Molina

  24. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    so big al, who would you have traded for gio, since you much better than cashman?

  25. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    2/24 is a really good deal for Beltran……pretty much the number I’ve said all along id like to sign him for

  26. BIG AL December 22nd, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:08 pm
    The plan is patience…

    ************************************************************
    As this off season unfolds, if there are no major additions, you’ll need to double your meds to remain patient!

  27. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Patience is loosely defined by Brian as “I don’t want people saying I can only buy titles while Stick is revered so I won’t do sht and hopefully things work out”

  28. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    who said williams is untouchable? and who even made an offer for him?

  29. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Any prospect who gets mentioned in a NY newspaper prior to playing a major league game automatically become untouchable. Unwritten rule. Brackman was deemed untouchable last year at this time on this board…..one of the 3 “killer b’s”.

  30. Nilsson December 22nd, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    You could always tell when free agents come off the board and when players get traded. Lots of temper tantrums going on here.

  31. jg29 December 22nd, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Cashman is clueless. First of all its his fault the Yankee pitching staff is the way it is right now with a 200 million dollar payroll. Because Cashman over values his ?prospects?, we missed out on Santana (no one knew he would get hurt), Roy Halliday, Cliff Lee, Dan Haren. I can understand not giving up prospects for Danks or Gonzalez but there is no excuse for just standing pat and waiting for Felix hernandez to become available. Hey Cashman if yoou are not going to upgrade the pitching then get a bat!. Why not Fielder to DH with a 4 year contract with a option year. Do you think Fielder will produce for the next 4 years in Yankee stadium?? I do! and what is Cashmans love with Swisher. The guy has been a ZERO the last 3 years in the playoffs. What does Cashman say? ?look what he did in the regular season? Hey moron the Yankees are expected to win the world series every year and anything less is a failure. Wake up!

  32. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Starting to think Brian Cashman doesn’t have a plan and other GM’s don’t want to work with him. He’s got stage fright or something. Either that or he’s really arrogant about his prospects.

  33. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Blake-

    Who’s next on your list?

    Ys Guy-

    Will be surprised if Boras gets Fielder a 10 year deal. Nationals and Orioles apparently ahave offers on the table besides the Mariners.

  34. m December 22nd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Which is it? The other GM’s don’t want to work with him or he has stage fright? Pick something. It can’t be every reason you can make up.

  35. BIG AL December 22nd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    YS Guy -

    I had no big need for Gio, but was making a general statement that Cashman made his point over and over again about this off season being about getting a #2 SP, and to this point as other teams make moves to better themselves, the Yankees stand pat, hoping to get to the AS break, and then make something happen.

    I don’t have any idea as to whether or not Darvish is the real deal, but given all the scouting reports, he was worth making a huge investment, IMO. Cespedes, the Cuban OF would make a good investment as well, IMO. I’d have to take a long look at both Oswalt and Jackson, if no trade can be made. Perhaps our PC could work with Jackson, and get him where I believe he can be, a very good #2 – #3 SP.

    Too many options are coming off the books, and there is no way we can keep all the top pitching prospects, some will need to be moved, and this year.

  36. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    It can be both.

  37. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    If u think about it, the yankees really haven’t had a good starting rotation since 2003. But hey, if 8 seasons of patience requires more patience than at the very least we have experience in how to be patient. I’m sure though over 8 years Cash just hasn’t been able to work out any opportunities, there simply was nothing available to him. Just a tough decade long market.

  38. m December 22nd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Or maybe nutrition.

  39. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    If Cashman lays another goose egg like he did at the trade deadline and all last off season (aside from Levine’s interference on Soriano), expect fans to start losing patience. You can go a year without improvements. Two years? It will get ugly.

  40. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Signing Beltran only made sense if you could trade Swish for something of value…….that said the Cards got a good deal on an impact bat.

  41. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    It’s now being reported the Beltran deal was 2/26M and a full NTC.

  42. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Carlo,

    Cashman is too comfortable.

  43. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    ” The Status Quo Is All I Know”
    Sir Brian Cashman

  44. blake December 22nd, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Trader,

    Lol….I don’t think I should say..

  45. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    m,

    Oh nooz other fans besides Bret The Hitman are getting fed up with Cashman.

    Oh noooooooooz

  46. Yankee Trader December 22nd, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Blake-

    I agree. Mums the word!! Until tomorrow.

  47. BIG AL December 22nd, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Night Y’all.

  48. jg29 December 22nd, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    The Yankees have won 1 world series since 2000. My 4 year old daughter could have given out 3 blank checks to Sabathia,burnett and Texiera. Other than that what has Cashman done with the payroll he has? What would Beane do with a 20 million dollar payroll.

  49. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    I’m not bitter at all that my season tix are up 66% over the last two years and splashy Cash’s biggest free agent move is freddie garcia. And here we are again talking about how “cash will make something happen at the deadline”. The only time he walks around with his dck in his hand more than he does now is in July. Seen that movie before.

  50. Mike_Boston December 22nd, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    No Carlo that’s not true, last season they had 4 starters with era’s in the 3′s, they were a top 3 staff. How much better do you need? Pitching was not the problem last year, clearly.

  51. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Carlo,

    :lol:

  52. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Mike – come october they has sabathia and no one any opponent had fear of facing. Regular season ERA is nice and all, but unfortunately it means nothing in october when 3 days before ur first playoff game nobody really knows who ur game 2 starter is.

  53. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    If pitching was not the problem, why did Cashman come out and say he was looking to add pitching and Girardi said the same thing after their playoff loss.

    They need a #2.

  54. m December 22nd, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    They needed You Know Who better. Ubaldo better.

  55. Red Robin December 22nd, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    ” Dellin Betances ”

    An Andrew Brackman in the making ?

  56. Red Robin December 22nd, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    What are you willing to bet ?

  57. Mike_Boston December 22nd, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Carlo, I hear you, it’s not ideal but things changed late in the season when Colon lost it and Nova took off. That’s not why they lost, it was because they couldn’t hit good right handed pitching.

  58. kd December 22nd, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    couldn’t sign beltran until they moved swisher.

    maybe they can trade him to cleveland now

  59. RMS December 22nd, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    No Carlo that’s not true, last season they had 4 starters with era’s in the 3?s, they were a top 3 staff. How much better do you need?

    ————————————————————————–
    This is a new season. Yanks starters-
    CC-Ace
    Nova-#2

    AJ-?
    Hughes-?
    Garcia-will he be as good as last year?

    Are you comfortable with this rotation?

  60. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Mike – agreed re the hitting but the bottom line is, the offense is good. Pitching wins in October, for the most part, and repeatedly over the last decade the pitching matchups on paper going into a series in october favor the opponent.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:21 pm
    Starting to think Brian Cashman doesn’t have a plan and other GM’s don’t want to work with him. He’s got stage fright or something. Either that or he’s really arrogant about his prospects.
    ///

    Bret, with all due respect, maybe there’s a third possibility: that you don’t really have enough information about “his prospects” to assume a cavalier stance on them. Perhaps it isn’t “stage fright” at all, perhaps we’ve never had two young pitching prospects as talented as these two guys before, nor hitters as elite as Montero and Gary Sanchez, nor a prospect for CF like Mason Williams…

    You have no virtually no information about these guys, really, and you’re leaping to an end result of how they should be valued by the GM. How do you expect to be taken seriously in your angst that Cashman “do something”, just to satisfy some itch of yours?

  62. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Carlo,

    Exactly right and that Texas offense would have destroyed everyone after CC in the ALCS.

  63. jg29 December 22nd, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Here we go, just read from 1 of the yankee writers that the Yankees chances of signing Cepedes is ” slim to none”

  64. yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 8:42 pm
    Mike – agreed re the hitting but the bottom line is, the offense is good. Pitching wins in October, for the most part, and repeatedly over the last decade the pitching matchups on paper going into a series in october favor the opponent.
    ____________________
    Carlo, I will lose to the Phillies on paper anytime (see, 2009).

  65. yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    jg29, link?

  66. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Prufrock,

    You don’t know jack either. Word was that the Yankees were most open to moving Betances and you’re head is way up his rear end.

  67. jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    kd December 22nd, 2011 at 8:40 pm
    couldn’t sign beltran until they moved swisher.

    maybe they can trade him to cleveland now

    Not true, they could have just put Beltran in LF. If they wanted to improve the offense. But I guess they do not, and to be honest the offense is pretty good, if inconsistent. We can hope Montero is better than Posada was last year, Tex and Swisher improve vs rhp, and A-Rod stays healthy.

  68. Villa Nova-Ya December 22nd, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Cashman said they always look for pitching.

    He also said he was comfortable going into the season with what they had.

    He said he listens to everything and looks at everything, but will not overpay.

    The Yankees are not desperate and do not need to make moves for the sake of looking busy.

    A 97-win team is not really in need of major moves.

    What IS a number 2 pitcher anyway?

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Never heard Brackman referred to as an untouchable, whoever in here said that.

  70. yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Bret, the Yankees heads are in the same place, as are most of the mlb prospect rankers, if you do any reading on prospects. Obviously, the Yanks didn’t want to move Betances for Gio.

  71. jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Word was that the Yankees were most open to moving Betances

    I never heard that word.

  72. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    “Pitching wins in October”

    Except for when it doesn’t. :roll:

    Did the Cardinals have the best pitching staff on paper this October?

  73. jg29 December 22nd, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    The Yankees’ chances of signing Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes are “slim to none,” according to Marc Carig of the Star-Ledger (Twitter link).
    Clueless Cashman!

  74. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    so big al’s saying they should have signed darvish and if not him get jackson. i don’t like either choice.

    people just want something to happen, but when they are faced with the realities of what is actually possible, they dont have any great ideas, they just want to complain.

  75. jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    I did hear Cashman say that Betances may be the best pitching prospect to ever come through their system. Now he might be doing some pumping of his own prospect, but on the other hand I never heard him say that about anyone else.

  76. RadioKev December 22nd, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    New rule: anyone who misspells Roy Halladay’s name doesn’t have the right to say Cashman is clueless. He’s been one of the best pitchers in baseball for years. It’s Halladay.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 pm
    Prufrock,

    You don’t know jack either. Word was that the Yankees were most open to moving Betances and you’re head is way up his rear end.
    ////

    We’re hardly in the same position to judge them; I’ve seen all five of them actually play in baseball games. Betances I have seen pitch about a dozen times, Banuelos almost as often.

    I find it odd that you come on so resolute about something you know virtually nothing about.

  78. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    jg29 what’s the price? until you know what the cost of signing these guys is, you can’t say its a bad or good move.

  79. RadioKev December 22nd, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Brian Cashman also doesn’t control the budget. That’s on the owner.

  80. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Its frightening how many people here convince themselves that this chronic pitching issue is ok. Really crazy. Its not what options are available now/today…..its how many options over the years they haven’t acted on. Its the fact that the vast majority of this rotation is upgradeable because there is so much mediocrity throughout it. The need to chronically defend this staff that some on here have is truly shocking.

  81. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    i never heard brackman was untouchable, maybe some idiot in here said that but i never heard that from the yankees.

  82. RadioKev December 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    It’s frightening that people pretend like we lost in the first round of the playoffs because of our very good pitching staff.

  83. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Carlo,

    I can’t explain it.

  84. m December 22nd, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    No one is saying they love this staff or are comfortable with it.

    But moaning about it does nothing.

  85. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Bottom line: same team = same results = AL Best Record.
    Kicker = Come July, Sir Brian Cashman sees Exactly what the team needs to win #28, has the personnel and or $$$ within the budget to acquire it, and does so. Parade to follow.

  86. GreenBeret7 December 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    expect fans to start losing patience. You can go a year without improvements. Two years? It will get ugly

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    how in the hell can you and some other so-called fans lose something you’ve never possessed.

  87. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Brackman fking sucked and the only place in the world he was considered to be good was in this insane asylum where he was annointed a “killer b”. He sucked at basketball too.

  88. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Donny – did u copy and paste that from a december 2010 thread?

  89. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    :lol:

  90. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    -CARLO-
    In 2010, the Yanks did not have the dominant farm system they currently enjoy. These trade chips will make ALL the difference both short and long-term.

  91. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    DONNYBROOK,

    Who do you see becoming available that the Yankees will overpay for at the trade deadline when everyone is looking to buy pitching and only one pitcher is put on the market?

  92. tomingeorgia December 22nd, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    These guys make me nostalgic for WCYF.

  93. jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Why would anyone be looking to acquire pitching at the trade deadline next year, when according to some here all the other teams are getting those pitchers right now while the Yankees are not?

  94. jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    tomingeorgia December 22nd, 2011 at 9:07 pm
    These guys make me nostalgic for WCYF.

    No, that’s worse.

  95. Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Some folks are critical of the front office. That’s not an assault on anyone’s fanhood. It’s nothing personal at all so no need to make it personal. You can’t please everybody.

  96. CompassRosy December 22nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Shannon Drayer (M’s reporter) validates many of my thoughts on the matter of NOT trading Felix…

    http://tinyurl.com/7ckxp8x

  97. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Donny – the system is virtually identical. Everyone is a year older. Nothing has really changed actually.

  98. Spudz December 22nd, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    A fool and his prospects are soon parted.

  99. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    One year ago – the major source of complaints here was about how the Red Sox had built a dynastic team headed up by a historically great rotation that the yankees could never every compete with in 2011.

    Every winter – different complaint – but its the same story. Rinse and repeat.

    In fact just a year ago – to even raise the question of the Yankees actually being ok and not needing to panic after missing out on Lee was derided as some kind of naive fantasy.

    The Red Sox were just so great. It was obvious to everyone they were just going to walk all over the yankees.

    The Yankees missed out on Lee. And they just allowed the “plan B” of enhancing the offense and defense through the otherworldly Carl Crawford slip through their fingers.

    Carl Crawford!!!!!!! How did they let him go to the Sox!

    Some Yankee fans take this weird pleasure in hating the team and sort of hating baseball. All it is is an endless litany of complaints and frustration.

    The fact that they won 97 games and took the division while the team they kept hoisting on a pedestal went through a historic collapse isn’t even a reason to perhaps reconsider how one looks at the game.

    And then this kind of misanthropic view of the game is chalked up to having some kind of “higher standard” and demand for winning than other fans do.

  100. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    it would be nice if we could sift out who’s gonna turn out to be great and who’s gonna suck out of our minor league system, but the fact is, nobody really knows. lots of teams hang on to guys who turn out to be nothing, lots of teams trade away guys who turn out to be great. But since the dynamic now is to trade 3 or 4 prospects for one proven major league player, it stands to reason that you are likely to do better by NOT making such trades. In the long run, you keep more potentially very good major league players, therefore greatly incresing your chance of having more of them turn out to be very good. thats the basic rule.

    being more specific, montero, banuelos and betances are all very good prospects and it seems likely that one of them will turn out to be the real deal. We have already seen a glimpse of jesus vs. mlb pitching and it looks pretty promising. Still too early to make the call on Betances and Banuelos, but it seems that barring injury, their value is only going to go up over the next couple of years. There seem to be no impact trades being offered that dont include 2 of these guys, so you really have to think before you pull the trigger on moving one of them.

    so who you gonna trade away and for who in return?

  101. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Carlo,

    You suck as a poster. And in life generally judging by your attitude.

  102. Red Robin December 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Any way you cut it .

    The R*d S*x still have 3 ( three ! ) Cy Young Winners on their rotation and

    the best offense in the M . L . B .

  103. Red Robin December 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Did I say three ( 3 ! ) ?

  104. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Mariano Rivera described Manny Banuelos as the best pitching prospect he’s seen in his life.

    But what does Mo know about baseball? Or pitching.

    Trade him.

    What matters is the churn. It’s like the markets. Play them right and all that really matters is the volume of transactions.

  105. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    -Hitman-
    It’s not WHO you need. It’s the fact you will be able to see Exactly WHAT you need at the most advantageous point in time possible that makes this work and render #28. The early slight of hand employed by Sir Brian has distracted you. Focus on the Prestige.

  106. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Ray – tremendous display of maturity. Ur post speaks volumes.

  107. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    “it would be nice if we could sift out who’s gonna turn out to be great and who’s gonna suck out of our minor league system, but the fact is, nobody really knows.”

    No. No one really does. Yes there are exceptions who come along – branch rickey, gabe paul, stick michaels.

    But those are few and far between.

    So if you can’t accurately predict what the future is going to look like you have a few options.

    You can do what so many people on this board demand – which is sell at first opportunity. That’s kind of like the guy who is constantly trying to play equities by getting in and out of the market. He just thinks he’s smarter than the overall market and can figure out when things are about to get bearish or bullish.

    Or you can diversify and hold to maturity. You can turn the investments into a matter of probability.

    And for the most part, its that second strategy which wins in the long run.

  108. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Yes Carlo, it’s really mature to say somebody sucks isn’t it? Or to say this place is an insane asylum, that’s really mature too, isn’t it?

    Even more mature to say someone f’in sucks. Oh yeah, that is the height of maturity.

    If you live in a glass house then don’t throw stones.

  109. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    U must be the killer b guy. No other explanation for ur outrageous behavior.

  110. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    I personally am still waiting for February.

    Because by then, the Red Sox will have “won” the hot stove – just like they do almost every winter like clockwork and the Yankees will be in mortal peril once more.

    The team won 97 games and took the division.

    This is like cursing out what Ray Dalio did with your money because he’s not John Paulson.

  111. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    John Paulson is getting crushed this year by the way.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Spudz December 22nd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
    A fool and his prospects are soon parted.

    ////
    That’s true, and teams that make moves for the sake of them are the 80-82 variety.

  113. raymagnetic December 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Guy comes to a blog ranting and raving about how it’s an insane asylum and saying players f’in sucks and then has the nerve to be offended. lol

  114. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    The arrogance of some here that think they know better what to do for this team than the ones whose job it is to actually run it is mind blowing.

    If the Yankees ran the team the way some of you propose they wouldn’t be competing for the WS but for the cellar instead.

  115. Ruby Red Sock December 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    LMAO ! LMAO ! WCYF would have these guys for breakfast.

  116. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Ray – u mistake my laughing at u as me being offended. Pls don’t confuse the two. Silly of u. Jokers like u are a dime a dozen, u remind me of the occupy wall st crowd.

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    jacksquat December 22nd, 2011 at 9:08 pm
    Why would anyone be looking to acquire pitching at the trade deadline next year, when according to some here all the other teams are getting those pitchers right now while the Yankees are not?
    ////
    LOL!

  118. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    The Yankees had two major problems in 2011 that really stood out.

    Two areas where they could achieve significant direct gains by addressing.

    And those two areas were:

    1. DH
    2. AJ Burnett

    The Yankees got awful production out of their DH. It was amongst the worst in the league.

    That was a big problem in 2011 – but it now represents a huge potential gain from investment.

    If the Yankees upgrade the position even moderately they will achieve major gains compared to last season when the DH spot was just poor.

    And lo and behold – they have Montero – a cost controlled player they can slot in there.

    But instead of using him – the constant chirping is to trade him.

    Sure, you have a ready made solution to one of your biggest problems – trade him.

    Let’s get some action going!

    And the Yanks have it in their direct control to ameliorate the problem of AJ Burnett.

    Move him to the bull pen and slot Noesi into the rotation. It will make the yankees much better and won’t even increase their pay roll.

    If you want to complain – look at how many holes the dynasty on the Charles river is still looking to fill.

    They’ve had a bang up winter. But then, they can afford the inactivity as they had such an outstanding season…

  119. yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    First of all no one ever referred to Brackman as an untouchable. No one. Secondly, just because we didn’t re-sign him doesn’t mean his future is doomed.

  120. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    hey,we can go crazy for this or that in yankeeland but one thing stands constant here, we dont do politics, take that to fox or msnbc please.

  121. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    “John Paulson is getting crushed this year by the way.”

    Oy. Seriously. No kidding.

  122. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Can Noesi really be better than Burnett? Can we really use a rotation of sabathia + nova + garcia + noesi + hughes? At least burnett has the ability to give us 200 innings with occassional flashes of brilliance.

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
    Ray – tremendous display of maturity. Ur post speaks volumes.
    ////

    Your twisted-up-in-knots rage is what speaks volumes.

  124. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    CB

    If you read or listen to the Nation they think they just need a few pieces to be back on top.

    No talk about improving one of the major flaws they had last year which was depth.

  125. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    idk if i believe noesi will be better than burnett, but i’d certainly be willing to give him 6 or 8 starts to find out. how much could it hurt?

  126. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    “At least burnett has the ability to give us 200 innings with occassional flashes of brilliance.”

    If you’re fund manager did considerably worse than the market for two years running would you keep paying him?

    Or would you just try your luck with an index fund?

    Noesi is a better pitcher than Burnett. Every time AJ takes the mound he damages the teams probability of winning.

    If you want to seriously think about how to make this team better in concrete ways you start with two points: DH and AJ.

    Those were by far the two biggest weaknesses on the entire squad. Just look at the numbers.

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Good night, one and all.

  128. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    With everyone saying Montero is gonna be a beast, just where in the Yankee batting order do you bat this Rookie Beast?

  129. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    “Twisted up in knots rage”. Funny.

  130. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    “If you read or listen to the Nation they think they just need a few pieces to be back on top.”

    Maine,

    Well good luck to them. I hope they keep thinking that way.

    What a mind bogglingly overrated, embarrassing team. Filled with rot at its core.

    But they have Bobby V so they’ll know exactly where the best Japanese food in boston is and they can listen to him expound on the genius of his taste buds so there’s that.

    That is a structurally flawed team that has enormous holes.

    Them losing out on Beltran is one of the worst mistakes any team will make this winter.

  131. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    the nats have been frustrated that nobody seems to want their cash and they are impatient to become a decent team. i can’t blame them. It’s probably not a great long-term deal they made today, but they want to turn the corner and start winning and in that light, it might actually be a good trade.

    The Yankees situation is not in any way comparable to the Natinals

  132. Carlo December 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    CB – my biggest problem is shuffling burnett to the pen to try noesi means burnett is done. If noesi fails, u can forget burnett stepping back into the rotation and helping. I agree with your premise and ur analogy, but I think this speaks to the problems with this rotation. And note, we are penciling hughes into the rotation with this noesi/burnett discussion and he was worse than everyone last year.

  133. DONNYBROOK December 22nd, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Biggest hole the R\Sox have is in the Clubhouse. No Character what-so-ever.

  134. Mike_Boston December 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    If you want to talk insane asylum keep an eye on the sox. Last night it was reported that Crawford hasn’t returned any of Bobby V’s calls (he actually made that public!). Apparently only his agent has made contact. Valentine’s also not making any of his own choices for staff, Buckner went to Cubs and the new pitching coach has never worked with him before. This has disaster written all over it and it’s 60 days to ST!

  135. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    CB

    This is some of what I was refering to.

    Take note of the last paragraph.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....rs_at.html

  136. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    “my biggest problem is shuffling burnett to the pen to try noesi means burnett is done. If noesi fails, u can forget burnett stepping back into the rotation and helping.”

    Look – when you get rid of the copious amounts of nonsense in this thread – the fundamental issue we’re discussing is risk.

    It’s not going away so you have to distribute it somewhere and figure out how you’re going to hedge it.

    How many times are we going to let AJ Burnett miss his spot only to see the ball get creamed?

    I honestly can’t take that anymore. That to me seems like the worst risk – its not even a risk really as its the most likely outcome.

    My strong preference would be to sign Kuroda. That the team is not is causing me significant concern as to me that signals a potential major shift in the Yankees business model and Hal’s willingness to invest.

    To me he’s a great fit for what the Yanks need. Money only. Willing to take a short term deal and supposedly willing to come east.

    Now maybe that information is wrong. Maybe he really is dead set on going back to Japan and this is all talk.

    But if it’s legitimate – I would sign him in a minute. That’s a quality staff, especially with Noesi as your 6th guy.

    There’s no guarantees here. Gio Gonzalez – he’s no guarantee. Danks – he wasn’t either. Neither is wilson or buerhle or kuroda for that matter.

    It really gets down to how you want to structure risk.

    And for me, Kuroda does that best for a long list of reasons. If not him, they could just sign Oswalt – he’s also good with a one year deal.

    We’ll see what happens. It makes so much sense that I have trouble believing it won’t happen.

    But if it doesn’t – and it’s not because he wants to stay West or go to Japan – then to me that means that Hal is looking to increase his margins from the baseball operations. Which is a significant change in direction – one we’ll just have to get used to.

    Last year fans were demanding a move – and we got that louse Soriano. Showed up to camp in poor shape, did almost no throwing in spring training only to come out of the gate with poor velocity and then get hurt.

    And partly because they made that silly move last year – they may not have enough money this year for Kuroda.

    The big picture with this team is that Hal is changing the way they are structuring their spend. Unfortunately, Hanks already hamstrung the club with Alex’s contract.

    If the team doesn’t add significant talent – it’s primarily an ownership issue, IMO.

    Kuroda is just sitting there – as is Oswalt.

    Most of the kids in the minors wont’ make it. They’ll need to be “monetized” in trades.

    But the ones every team keeps asking for – Montero and Banuelos – they should not be dealt.

  137. PhiltheThrill December 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Sort of relieved Gio and Beltran are off the market. Perhaps talk of acquiring them will slow.

  138. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Phill,

    That was my reaction to Gio as well. Glad he’s off the market and not in pinstripes at that price.

    He’s just not good enough. We have enough of AJ constantly missing his spots. Gio would just be a second. That ball park really saves him from paying for his mistakes in location.

    I like Beltran. If there was room in the budget I would have liked to have him – would have explored trading Swisher. 12/25 is a reasonable deal.

    But as it is – that money would be better spent on the staff.

    Kind of concerned about where Hal is taking things right now in terms of investment in the team.

  139. Ghostwriter December 22nd, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Bret The Hitman December 22nd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    If Cashman lays another goose egg like he did at the trade deadline and all last off season (aside from Levine’s interference on Soriano), expect fans to start losing patience. You can go a year without improvements. Two years? It will get ugly.
    =====================

    What are you talking about? The pitching was significantly improved in 2011 over 2010. Not everything has to be some big splashy trade or free agent signing.

  140. CB December 22nd, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Maine,

    Pete’s big assumption there is that it’s just easy to come up with two “back end” pitchers who can pitch in the AL East.

    It’s not. In any way. Those are huge holes – especially when you also don’t have a starting RF or a bull pen.

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