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Yankees organizational depth: Catcher

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 16, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

With spring training roughly a month away — a little more than a month, but who’s counting — I thought this might be a good time to start looking at the organization position-by-position. What do the Yankees have at the moment, what might they have in the future and who’s worth watching this season. We’ll start behind the plate, where the Yankees are still deep even after trading their top young hitter.

In the big leagues
Last year was one of transition behind the plate, with Jorge Posada shifting into the background while Russell Martin took the job. Twelve months ago, it was unclear whether Martin was a one-year bridge or a long-term solution, and his future is still a little cloudy. Obviously he’s coming back for another season — the organization loved his leadership and his defense, and he added some bottom-of-the-order power — but it’s still unclear whether the Yankees see Martin as a catcher who might stick around for a few years. He could be holding the spot for Austin Romine, or he could be carrying the torch well into the middle of this decade. With Jesus Montero gone, there might be more desire to keep Martin long-term. Francisco Cervelli appears to be the favorite to return as the Yankees backup.

On the verge
Even before the trade, Montero had clearly graduated. After an impressive late-season call-up, Montero was ready for the big leagues, with his long-term future behind the plate still unclear. With Montero gone, the immediate depth behind the plate clearly hinges on Romine. He got an unexpected call-up late last season when injuries left the Yankees thin behind the plate. After back-t0-back seasons in Double-A, there is finally an opening in Triple-A, and Romine seems ticketed for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (unless he really wows the Yankees in big league camp and wins a big league job). Gustavo Molina is back to provide additional veteran depth at catcher, but this position is all about the young guys.

Deep in the system 
The Yankees were already extremely deep at catcher, and that was before a couple of teenagers popped onto the radar. Coming up after Romine, the Yankees have J.R. Murphy and Gary Sanchez. Both were in A-ball last year, and there’s a chance Murphy could get to Double-A this season. Sanchez is the bigger prospect of the two, and probably the most likely to stay behind the plate. He has a long way to go, but his upside is substantial. Murphy has a big bat, and the Yankees have looked at him at third base and the outfield corners. The Yankees have said he’ll primarily catch this season. At the lowest levels of the system, fifth-round pick Greg Bird has a strong bat but questionable glove, and Dominican Isaias Tejeda put up big numbers in U.S. debut. Neither is a sure thing, especially at catcher, but they’re intriguing depth behind the bigger names in the system.

Organizational depth chart
My rough guess. It’s too early for the Yankees to decide who will be where next season.
New York: Russell Martin
Scranton/WB: Austin Romine
Trenton: Jose Gil
Tampa: J.R. Murphy
Charleston: Gary Sanchez

The Staten Island catchers didn’t really stand out last season, and my guess is both Bird and Tejeda will open in extended spring training before going to either Staten Island or the Gulf Coast League. Sanchez could move up to Tampa, but he played only 82 games last year and another couple of months in Charleston probably wouldn’t hurt him (he’s still very young). The Yankees top catcher the Yankees drafted in 2010 — Tyler Austin — has already been converted to the infield corners. Kyle Higashioka factors into this picture somewhere — maybe with Murphy in Tampa — but he hasn’t done much with the bat and might have to play his way back into a regular role behind the plate.

Associated Press photo of Martin, headshots of Cervelli, Romine and Sanchez

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416 Responses to “Yankees organizational depth: Catcher”

  1. djsunyc January 16th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    when i look at hughes, i see the heir apparent to mariano. he has a different disposition on the mound as a reliever. he just goes out and attacks you. i’m hoping the yankees see that also when mariano finally decides to hang it up…

  2. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    If the Yankees can’t trade Burnett for another bad contract-a hitter, than Casey Kotchman might be the best overall bet to DH and play 1st on occasion, after a good year for the Rays.

    Power rankings in AL East per Ripken NYY-Rays-Sox-Toronto-Orioles

    per Plesac Yankees-RS-Rays-Toronto-Orioles

  3. Nick in SF January 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Former Oriole Billy Ripken puts Orioles last in his AL East Power Ranking! :shock:

    Then the Blue Jays, Red Sox, Rays, and the Yanks on top.

    Dan Plesac puts Showaltimore last and Yanks first too. Swaps Sox and Rays.

  4. kd January 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    repost:

    why not just let brandon laird be the backup for the corners and see if the kid has anything to offer?

    saves you 2 to 3 million over damon and matsui and might post comparable numbers. then you have that much more room to take on money at the trading deadline. also, if he excels, then you’ve got a good trading chip

  5. ctyankeefan. January 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    MLBTR said Matsui and Yanks have talked. Who wants him back to dh? I think he could hit again close to like he used to and would love a reunion!

  6. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    There isn’t a Yankee fan alive who does not love and respect Hideki Matsui.

    Period.

  7. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    MTU

    Down was the hitting coach in NY twice…93-95 and 2002-2003, around Chris Chambliss and Donnie Mattingly. He worked with Mattingly to turn him from a slap hitter to a power hitter.

  8. Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    I always thought Kyle would have improved faster than he has…..He caught Gerit Cole in The Orange County HS All-Star game and hit a long homer…….In some ways he was better defensively than Austin Romine was as a HS catcher….

  9. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    GB-

    That’ a nice CV.

    Maybe he does some good.

    Thank you.

  10. dogface January 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    why not just let brandon laird be the backup for the corners and see if the kid has anything to offer?

    =============================

    Mostly because there’s not yet any reason to suggest he can be successful getting everyday at bats at the big league level.

  11. vinslol January 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Would be awesome to have Matsui back

    I was reading a piece..I can’t remember who wrote it so I can’t just link it.

    Essentially when his knees were done he could only run about every 4th day, but he could run every day last summer with minimal pain

    so I mean, he could still play LF sometimes if they wanted. He looked really good playing LF vs the mets @ Citi last summer for that matter

  12. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    I don’t think Murphy will be a catcher long term. It’s just not there. Not sure if IsaiasTejada can do it behind the plate. He looks really bad at times. He’ll be at Charleston this coming season.

  13. vinslol January 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    er, to add to that* obviously that’ll get better with each year removed and he’s not exactly a speed demon..but it’s not impossible

  14. LGY January 16th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Michael Dean Chadwick has reconsidered being the accountability partner to son-in-law Josh Hamilton because of family considerations. Hamilton said over the weekend that Chadwick, who lives in North Carolina, has a daughter who is finishing up high school.

    The Rangers and Hamilton are now reconsidering who would be a good candidate to spend time with Hamilton on the road and help him with his daily battle with additions to drugs and alcohol.

    Hamilton also said on Saturday that he doesn’t believe he needs to have someone with him, and approved Chadwick to help give the Rangers and MLB peace of mind.

    http://sportsblogs.star-telegr.....s-out.html

  15. PhiltheThrill January 16th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    It’s gonna be a few years before the Yanks have a good bat at catcher again. Of course, they have never really won without a good bat at catcher, except for `96. Weird decisions being made in Yankeeland.

  16. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Phil-

    You don’t think that Romine will be at least “decent”, i.e. ML average or a little better ?

    All sign point to that possibility (.270 or so, 10-20 homers)

    Maybe I am misreading your meaning, or you just don’t think so ?

  17. Jerkface January 16th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    All sign point to that possibility (.270 or so, 10-20 homers)

    All signs point to that being his best case scenario at the moment.

  18. exiledintampa January 16th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    14 players on the Rockies’ 40-man roster were not born when Jamie Moyer made his MLB debut on June 16, 1986.
    Ben Nickolson-Smith on twitter.

  19. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    JF-

    So let’s hope for the best then because with his D that ain’t bad.

    ;)

  20. Jerkface January 16th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    The signs pointing to his most likely outcome right now are as a backup catcher type. Next year is big for him. He will start at AAA and have a chance to make it to the majors probably at any point if he excels.

  21. Teary . Francona January 16th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    And if you dont respect the Matsui, as a Yankees fan, then youre a fraud!

  22. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    JF-

    I think you are a little too pessimistic but you probably think I’m too optimistic.

    We’ll see.

  23. Teary . Francona January 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    The greatest game Matsui ever played was the final game of his Yankee career. In a game in which HP umpire Joe West tried to extend the World Series to a Game 7, Matsui would have none of West’s corruption, single-handedly winning us Game 6!

  24. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Hamilton is a disaster waiting to happen.

  25. Jerkface January 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    I think you are a little too pessimistic but you probably think I’m too optimistic.

    We’ll see.

    Eh? Think of Cervelli’s major league defense. Now know that he threw out like 40% of runners in the minor leagues. Romine throws out 23%. He has hit pretty poorly after raking in Low A: .300 .344 .437 .781 down to .279 .343 .368 .710 this year. This is while being at the correct age for his level not 2 years below it like Montero He has also been injured. He has an overrated defensive reputation that stems from his ‘projecting’ as a good defensive catcher. its like where you project a guy hitting 30 HRs when the most he ever has is 10.

    He has a lot of catching up to do. The good news is, he isn’t blocked at all and will have free reign of AAA to work on his new K-Long swing. And like I said, I don’t think the Yankees will hesitate to bring him up if he does well so he can benefit from major league tutoring.

    Just don’t think .270/15 HRs is realistic in the majors.

  26. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Top notch starting Ro w. depth

    State of the Art BP

    Solid D

    An O that can score a alot of runs.’

    The weeks and months ahead are filled with promise and cause for great optimism.

    We are a very, very good team. Getting ready to get even better.

    The dinner bell has just rung.

    Catch you all later.

  27. PhiltheThrill January 16th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    MTU

    Austin Romine doesn’t have a Yankee Bat. He’s sort of Russel Martin-esque (current version). I think he should have been thrown in a trade for something that could actually help us win titles. He won’t. He’s also overrated as a defensive catcher, and I think it’s just because he looks like a catcher. He’s had all sorts of problems with D, too, but everyone wanted to bash on Montero.

    So while he might be an average major leaguer, he’s not the kind of catcher we’ve been dynastic with.

    Sanchez is our next best chance at a real Yankee catcher and he’s a couple of years off.

  28. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Christ. They need to get that idiot, Millar off of the air. Loudmouthed, obnoxious and immature is the kindest thing you can say about him.

  29. austinmac January 16th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    MTU,
    The judgment is in. Colin Curtis will fall just short of a career AAAA player.

  30. Teary . Francona January 16th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Too bad all Red Sox are taking over the airwaves.

  31. Teary . Francona January 16th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Only reason why Millar has a job on TV is because of his Red Sox days. Same for Sean Casey’s 24 hours with the Red Sox.

  32. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Phil-

    Well I see where you are coming from now.

    Hope you’re wrong.

    Don’t think the Yankees would have been so quick to move Jesus if they thought the way you did.

    I think they must have a higher opinion of Romine than you do.

    Have a good evening.

  33. Gary January 16th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    There has been some contact between Hideki Matsui and the Yankees this offseason, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets. The Yankees, who have also been in touch with Johnny Damon, appear to have just $1-2MM to spend on a DH.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I can’t believe that things are so tight that we can only spend this little. We just gave Hughes a .5M raise and we plead poverty on the DH?

  34. Jerkface January 16th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Don’t think the Yankees would have been so quick to move Jesus if they thought the way you did.

    I think they must have a higher opinion of Romine than you do.

    I think its more their opinion of Russel martin. And their acceptance of poor production from the catcher spot.

  35. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Thanks Mac-

    I wondered what became of Colin.

    I thought he looked good there for a while.

    Perhaps not.

    :(

  36. Gary January 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    I’m begining to think that DH is going to be a train wreck again. Every nine times the guy bats in the lineup. I wonder if the Yanks just think it’s not that important.

  37. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Ol’ Larry The Deep Fryer is now bothering the other journalists and blog hosts. “You can’t win if you don’t score.”

  38. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    JF-

    It does seem Girardi likes guys in his own image.

    That means they can’t hit.

    I still hope Romine is better than what you guys think.

    later.

  39. jacksquat January 16th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    If they are going to go cheap, bring on Damon I guess, unless he wants too much, then Matsui.

  40. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Either that or The Jerk doesn’t know as much as he thinks he does.

  41. Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Jerkface……I know a few guys over at the MLSB who are always looking for such astute guys with such a keen eye for baseball talent like yourself……..I think someone from the agency should sign up here and hangout for a week and read your insights and offerings…..What do think Face ???

  42. LGY January 16th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    I think the Yankees long term catcher is somewhere on this list.

    2013 free agents

    Catchers

    Koyie Hill Chris Iannetta * Russell Martin Jeff Mathis Brian McCann * Miguel Montero Mike Napoli Wil Nieves Miguel Olivo * Ronny Paulino A.J. Pierzynski Humberto Quintero David Ross Carlos Ruiz * Yorvit Torrealba

  43. Bret The Hitman January 16th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    If they don’t spend that Cliff Lee money on Prince Fielder then I hope they have an opportunity to spend it on Cole Hamels or Matt Cain…or Zack Greinke + either Melky/BJ Upton.

  44. LGY January 16th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Romine could be a nice backup though.

    They should try to teach him 3B.

  45. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    JF-

    It does seem Girardi likes guys in his own image.

    That means they can’t hit.

    I still hope Romine is better than what you guys think.

    later.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Didn’t you know? He’s struggling to stay ahead of us Molina in the pecking order.

  46. Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    MTU….He is much better than what is being pedaled here right now….Do remember Austin was the one they summoned to The Bronx last season….

  47. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    **Gus Molina***

  48. LGY January 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Yadier Molina is a free agent in 2013 also.

    Not sure why he was left of that list…

  49. Jerkface January 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Jerkface……I know a few guys over at the MLSB who are always looking for such astute guys with such a keen eye for baseball talent like yourself……..I think someone from the agency should sign up here and hangout for a week and read your insights and offerings…..What do think Face ???

    Sure thing, if baseball wants to pay me more than I can make as a systems analyst to scout I would do it in a heart beat.

  50. m January 16th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    I wish they would swap Romine and Cervelli on the depth chart.

    As for Hamilton he has set a deadline. If I’m the rangers I let him walk. He’s getting older and is ptone to injury.

    It is ridiculous that Hamilton needs a sitter, he’s a grown man. But it might be for his own good. He did fall off the wagon into a coed’s lap that time.

  51. Bret The Hitman January 16th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Does anyone think there’s a chance Romine will prove he can start by 2013, thus negating the need to commit to Russell Martin on a multiyear deal and saving the team $$ in the process?

    Would the Yankees have the balls to ride Romine/Cervelli until Sanchez arrives?

    Would they dare let Martin go?

  52. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    In Godzilla We Trust!

  53. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    “I wish they would swap Romine and Cervelli on the depth chart.”

    …that’s what ST is for!

  54. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Thanks Pat.

    It’s always nice to hear from someone who actually did the job.

    This may scare you but you and I think a lot alike when it comes to what makes for a great baseball
    team, ie. Pitching and D with a sprinkling of O.

    Catch you later.

  55. Jerkface January 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Would the Yankees have the balls to ride Romine/Cervelli until Sanchez arrives?

    Would they dare let Martin go?

    This is why next year is really important for Romine. If he plays out of his mind he can force the Yankees hand. Maybe Pat M can oil his glove for him.

  56. jacksquat January 16th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    LGY January 16th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    I think the Yankees long term catcher is somewhere on this list.

    2013 free agents

    Catchers

    Koyie Hill Chris Iannetta * Russell Martin Jeff Mathis Brian McCann * Miguel Montero Mike Napoli Wil Nieves Miguel Olivo * Ronny Paulino A.J. Pierzynski Humberto Quintero David Ross Carlos Ruiz * Yorvit Torrealba

    and Yadier Molina.

  57. Bret The Hitman January 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Jerkface,

    Definitely an important year for Romine and if he succeeds he can save the Yankees big long term dollars at a crucial position that is hard to fill.

    I’d like to see Romine get as much polish as possible in AAA with his hitting and get the call after the All-Star break so he can catch on the major league level enough to make the calculation easier. He would have to really impress because I think they trust Martin and how he handles the staff and leads in the clubhouse.

    Then again, Martin is worthy of a 3-4 year deal and Romine definitely doesn’t need 4 more years of AAA experience.

    The fact that Long worked with him on his swing indicates they might be serious about trying to cut some money at the catcher spot. We need that flexibility it seems.

  58. Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Jerkface……No one really oils their gloves…Well I don’t consider mink oil as an oil actually….

  59. Tom in N.J. January 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Miguel Montero!

  60. DaSaint007 January 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    If Romine shows something in AAA, he could be an option down the road, but the Yankees never, ever turn a rotation over to a rookie catcher who hasn’t backed up for at least a couple years.

    Chances are Martin is with the team through 2014.

  61. PhiltheThrill January 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Romine does not have a Yankee Bat. That’s a fact. So he can get romanticized as much as any catcher does, but he’s not the answer and if the Yanke traded Montero because they think a lot of Romine, they are morons and we are headed down the drain as a franchise.

  62. kd January 16th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    jonathan mayo has manban as the #4 prospect on clubhouse confidential

    said he could contribute this year if he can control the ball better

  63. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    If a team paid Jerky to scout at $5 a day and a day old fried bologna sandwich for lunch, they’d be getting screwed.

  64. blake January 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Gary Sanchez is the future catcher …..at least until they trade him.

  65. Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    What exactly is a Yankee bat? In any case, that’s an opinion, it’s not a fact since there is nothing in the dictionary that defines what exactly a “Yankee” bat is. I don’t get this notion that if the team likes a player that fans don’t like, they are morons.

  66. blake January 16th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Don’t wanna see Manny B until he’s thrown 150 innings and gotten the walks down……there is absolutely no reason to rush him now.

  67. Jerkface January 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Don’t wanna see Manny B until he’s thrown 150 innings and gotten the walks down……there is absolutely no reason to rush him now.

    Same, no loogy role for manny. Waste of time.

  68. Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Blake, you make it sound like they traded Montero for a piece of garbage, like this was a trade from the 80′s. Gary Sanchez has a LONG way to go before he’s anykind of lock to be anything in the majors.

  69. Jerkface January 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Gary Sanchez has a LONG way to go before he’s anykind of lock to be anything in the majors.

    This is true, Players are only locks if Pat M has seen them personally play in high school.

  70. Bret The Hitman January 16th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    DaSaint,

    I hear what you’re saying but Romine is not your typical rookie catcher. He has major league polish at the position. He just needs AB’s in AAA. Posada was worked in slowly because he was a converted infielder. Romine was born to catch. Honestly, unless he really tanks this year in AAA, I can’t see him sitting on the sidelines through a 3-year deal to Martin for 2013, 2014 and 2015. That’s saying the Yankees are so careful they don’t want Romine starting until 2016. That seems crazy. He is ready to catch now. The question is the bat. If he has it, I think he forces the Yankees to cut ties with Martin and take the draft picks on him.

  71. blake January 16th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Betsy,

    Im really bitter about losing Montero……Ill get over it.

  72. Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    GB……I like fried boloney sandwiches when I was a kid….Very funny

  73. DaSaint007 January 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    I can’t believe some here. The thought of CC followed by the likes of Pineda, Banuelos, Betances, Nova, Huges, Joba, and Robertson in either the rotation and bullpen is scary.

    That’s cheap talent for 5+ years.

  74. PhiltheThrill January 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Besy,

    Here is what a Yankee Bat is (and the Yanks use this term internally). A Yankee Bat is a guy who hits so well, that the Yankees will put him in the batting order, and leave him there for years and years without spending time or resources trying to replace him. For example, Robinson Cano has a Yankee Bat. Melky Cabrera did not, so they replaced him.

  75. PhiltheThrill January 16th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Betances and Banuelos could both come fast if they regain the fastball control they both showed in `10 but strangely not in `11.

  76. DaSaint007 January 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Bret,

    I hear you, but if he does excel, it may be 2014 not 2016. Let’s see what happens.

  77. Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    If anything, the Yankees have held onto their prospects. They didn’t trade Hughes or Joba; they didn’t trade Nova, Betances or Banuelos.

  78. Bret The Hitman January 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    The jury is still out on Melky Cabrera’s bat.

  79. Rob_NY January 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Russel Martin, the new Jason Varitek. He can’t hit particularly well but boy does he get those unis dirty. He can really handle him a pitching staff too, I’ll tell you what.

    (Going to comment on an earlier topic for a second) If you can have a DH only who hits 35-45 homeruns and gets 100+ RBIs for $15m; or
    a rotating DH/platoon deal that hits 10-20 homers and 80 RBIs (but those lesser hitters could play other positions) on the cheap which would you choose?

    I think I’d optimize my lineup and let my power hitting DH get 600 ABs instead of playing lesser hitters more.

  80. jacksquat January 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    PhiltheThrill January 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
    Besy,

    Here is what a Yankee Bat is (and the Yanks use this term internally). A Yankee Bat is a guy who hits so well, that the Yankees will put him in the batting order, and leave him there for years and years without spending time or resources trying to replace him. For example, Robinson Cano has a Yankee Bat. Melky Cabrera did not, so they replaced him.

    You mean like Jesus Montero?

  81. Bret The Hitman January 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    DaSaint,

    I don’t see how 2014 can work for Romine because Martin’s good for at least a 3 year deal at starting catcher money. I guess the Yankees can lock up Martin, groom Romine as his backup in the second half of 2012 and all of 2013. Then trade Martin sometime before the start of 2014.

  82. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
    GB……I like fried boloney sandwiches when I was a kid….Very funny

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Pat,

    growing up on the ’50s and 60s, bolgna was a staple in the diet in our family…but not fried. I can’t stand it now. But, hey…Mom and Pop did what they could with what they had…mostly kids,

  83. PhiltheThrill January 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Jacksquat,

    Montero was the first one to come from the system since Cano. They disrupted the chain and now it will be 2 years or so till other Yankee Bats are ready to come from the system. They have gotten much better at finding them in the draft lately.

  84. LGY January 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    What above average tools does Romine have?

  85. DaSaint007 January 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    One advantage to having Martin right now is his familiarity with Kuroda.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
    The jury is still out on Melky Cabrera’s bat.
    ///

    no it’s not: he can hit.

  87. Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Blake, it’s fine to be bitter – I definitely would have in 2007 had the Yankees traded Hughes. In fact, I would have probably thrown a tantrum and insisted I was never going to root for them again. Just at least know that the Yankees are not and have not recently made a habit of trading prospects.

    I feel for Pineda – he’s now, to many Yankee fans on boards, a mediocre pitcher who will never improve and has to be Bob Gibson. If he’s not the latter, he will be a despised player.

    Phil, Bret Gardner does not have a Yankee bat then – and I would like them to replace him. That whole notion is pretty stupid if that’s what they’re using. Romine doesn’t have to be Montero to be a good ballplayer

  88. Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    GB…Boars Head garlic boloney…

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Montero was the first one to come from the system since Cano. They disrupted the chain and now it will be 2 years or so till other Yankee Bats are ready to come from the system. They have gotten much better at finding them in the draft lately.
    ///

    Yes they disrupt the chain. And subverted the natural order.

  90. Bret The Hitman January 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    True, Prufrock but Melky needs to follow up 2011 with a strong 2012 campaign. I think he will and I want him back like some fans here want a reunion with Matsui or Damon.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    *did disrupt…

    Gary Sanchez, I turn my lonely eyes to you….

  92. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Mattingly didn’t have a “Yankee Bat” until he was show what it was after getting to NY. I hate the trade but, I accept it. Unless somebody fails the physical, the trade is over.

  93. Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    They obviously were willing to disrupt that chain for a pitcher they are a lot higher on than most people on the board.

  94. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    ***shown***

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Bret, all I’m sayin is Cabrera did not surprise me last season. I thought it was coming a year earlier, that’s all.

  96. DaSaint007 January 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Bret,

    That’s how I see it. You can always find a taker for a good defensive catcher with decent offensive production.i

  97. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
    GB…Boars Head garlic boloney…

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Pat, I don’t know what brand it was, but, it wasn’t Oscar Mayer. It was like the Yugo of bologna.

  98. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    I think one can lament the loss of Montero and still be high on Pineda.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    I feel for Pineda – he’s now, to many Yankee fans on boards, a mediocre pitcher who will never improve and has to be Bob Gibson. If he’s not the latter, he will be a despised player.
    ///

    I’ll settle for Drysdale. Who said he was mediocre? Nobody smart here said he was mediocre.

    Yankeefem, right on.

  100. PhiltheThrill January 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Betsy,

    Gardner is a great defender, what’s more, when he is going good he takes his walks and gets on base. So when he’s not slumping he does get on base at a rate they find acceptable. He’s been injury plagued. and last year he was bad at the plate, so they’re probably weighing replacement costs. If they weren’t all of a sudden budget crazy he might have been replaced already.

  101. Giuseppe Franco January 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    I’d bet Cashman would take Swisher over Melky a year from now if those are his two choices.

    Don’t bet on a Melky-Yankees reunion.

  102. CB January 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Last year’s Yankee team had two problems that stood out disproportionately. Two issues where the team really struggled and were below league average:

    1. AJ Burnett in the rotation
    2. Production from the DH spot

    Before the trade, the Yankees had an in house solution to the second problem. That’s gone now.

    They have however, used the piece that could have solved the DH spot to help solve the first problem. In fact both the trade and signing Kuroda independently could solve that first problem.

    But tosolve the first problem they need to actually take AJ out of the rotation. Doesn’t matter to me how they do it – trade, pen, whatever. They cannot continue to allow him to go out there and pitch worse than a league average player.

    So they can fix that problem now. That leaves the second problem.

    DH is a real position. You cannot just throw 600 plate appearances into the grab bag and call it “flexibility” when flexibility in this case amounts to maximizing how many plate appearances you can give to Eduardo Nunez.

    They have half of a decent DH solution in Jones. Now they need the other half.

    This is an area where they should be able to get significant “return on investment.” It shouldn’t be that expensive to get a decent LH bat, one who can help them address the issues they’ve had with RH pitching.

  103. GreenBeret7 January 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    The only likely Yankee reunion we’ll see would be two of the three of Eric Chavez, Hideki Matsui or Johnny Demon. They don’t crack in a tight spot.

  104. mick January 16th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Matsui.

  105. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    idk what a yankeee bat is, but we used to buy yankee joints from the guys hanging around the back couple of rows in the bleachers…back in the days before that place was packed… :)

  106. CB January 16th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    It was only a brief glimpse – but I thought what we saw from Romine was somewhat concerning.

    He has a longish swing with a hole in it.

    And that how he’s looked in the video I’ve seen of him from the minors as well.

    Obviously need to see more. But I wasn’t enamored with that swing.

  107. exiledintampa January 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Matsui has a Yankee bat. Or, at least he did.

  108. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    LOVE matsui, but he had a pretty awful year last year. LOVE damon, but he didn’t look much better than matsui. time to move on…

  109. Best To Ever Do It January 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Ppl are a little too high on Romine.

  110. DaSaint007 January 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Yeah, all those teams out there fretting about what to do about a DH.
    Who’s Tampa’s DH now? Or Toronto’s? Lots of consternation in those towns.

  111. Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    CB….I think the concept wasn’t to make Nunez a DH but rather he is to be used to allow Alex, Derek and I hope not Cano……Cashman needs to find a lefthand stick to platoon with Jones and bam there’s your ideal DH solution….30 dingers, 100 rbi’s and the older guys get a blow…..For me that’s ideal….Not saying it’s right however that’s how I personally view the game….

  112. Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Yankeefem, you can – but I don’t see that here. It’s either you like the trade and Pineda or you don’t and Pineda isn’t that good and will never develop another pitch.

  113. PittsburghYankeeFan January 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    If they can’t trade AJ for a salary morass of another club (why do I keep perseverating on Jason Bay for some reason), then Matsui fits the DH bill, as does Damon. Either one is a tough out, with decent situational hitting ability, and a bit of power.

    Carlos Pena is another strikeout machine. Do the Yankees really need another one of those, at $7-8 million (no way he gets 10)?

  114. DaSaint007 January 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    DH complement will be worked out by ST.
    Much more concerned about that 3B backup.

  115. mick January 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    who cares who likes or dislikes the trade…opinions are like a*holes , everyone has one and they all stink….go with what ya got and enjoy the ride…

  116. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    This is an area where they should be able to get significant “return on investment.” It shouldn’t be that expensive to get a decent LH bat, one who can help them address the issues they’ve had with RH pitching.
    ———————————
    CB-

    Based on last years stats, that FA left handed bat would not be Damon, Ibanez, or Matsui. It would be Casey Kotchman who hit .313 from the left side, higher than any Yankee regular and .306 overall with an OB% .378, again higher than any Yankee regular.

    Thoughts?

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Romine is not developed but he had some good stretches in AA where he went to right field and stayed inside the ball well, and saw more pitches. He’s had a slew of back/neck trouble that maybe have derailed him. He’s got negotiable hitting ability but he’s not going make anyone miss Montero. He was overmatched in the majors and definitely needs more time if they want his stick to be more seasoned. He’ll need his AAA time this year. Sanchez is the guy. It’s a shame he isn’t closer. Hopefully, he can enjoy a growth spurt that delivers him sooner, but as a catcher we want to stay there and be the guy, it’s probably going to take some time.

  118. Joe from Long Island January 16th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    My choice is Pena, and I’m betting that they’re waiting for his prideful fall. Second choices are Matsui and Kotchman. Looks like Damon not actively being considered.

    Saw something earlier that Long says they’ve fixed the leg kick in romine’s swing.

  119. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    eduardo nunez had a better obp than matsui last year.

  120. LGY January 16th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    For entertainment purposes:

    If Romine got 321 at bats in the big leagues next season CAIRO projects him at .242/.294/.365

  121. Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Phil, well that is rather disturbing – that they would allow budget to get in the way of improving their team. That’s Hal, however

    As to Romine, maybe he’s not even the catcher of the future – but maybe the Yankees like him well enough defensively to keep him around until some others are ready. It’s not like Gary Sanches covered himself in glory as a defensive catcher this year……

  122. Giuseppe Franco January 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Yankeefem, you can – but I don’t see that here. It’s either you like the trade and Pineda or you don’t and Pineda isn’t that good and will never develop another pitch.

    ———-

    As someone who threw his remote across the room when the trade was officially announced, I don’t think that’s the case at all.

    Perhaps the idiots like melkmanhotlanta feel that way about Pineda but the common sense LoHudders don’t (blake, CB, Nick, GB, YF, etc., etc).

    I’m firmly in Pineda’s corner because the trade is done and there’s nothing I can do about it.

  123. Joe from Long Island January 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    price to fall, not prideful

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    Yankeefem, you can – but I don’t see that here. It’s either you like the trade and Pineda or you don’t and Pineda isn’t that good and will never develop another pitch.
    ///

    no one here said that Pineda “isn’t that good.” If they did, I missed that post. Who said this? Never saw it.

  125. CB January 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    “I think the concept wasn’t to make Nunez a DH but rather he is to be used to allow Alex, Derek and I hope not Cano”

    Pat,

    It’s a difficult situation as I don’t know how much rest those guys need or what the impact of that rest is if they DH.

    For example, it’ obviously Alex who is the guy who the whole DH is most discussed in relation to.

    First, he was fine defensively last year – so it’s not a break down in skills that compels him to rest as a DH. It’s largely his hip and knee.

    The thing is – I’d guess that it’s hitting which is more damaging to Alex’s hip and knee than fielding. His whole offensive game is centered around generating massive torque through his base. That’s probably was the reason for his hip.

    So I don’t even know if it’s a good idea to DH him if he needs rest.

    Otherwise, if you start putting him at DH more and more all you are doing is increasing the number of at bats a backup player gets. I don’t think that’s a good situation.

    If Alex or Jeter need a rest – rest them.

    The team needs a LH complement at DH. To me, this isn’t a trivial issue. This was a major source of relative weakness on the Yanks last season. It’s also one that in theory should be easy to fix.

    I don’t like the notion of not treating DH as a position and not fixing the terrible production they got from the spot last year when they used it to “rest” Posada.

    They should not get 400 below average plate appearances either directly or indirectly due to the DH spot.

    It’s a lost opportunity, especially given their resources.

  126. Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    They can trade AJ, but it requires Hal having to eat a lot of $$$ and that’s not him – he’s not his father that way.

    I hate the idea of a rotating DH

  127. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    sorry that was eduardo nunez (.698)had a better ops than matsui(.696) last year. (matsui had the better ob%)

  128. LGY January 16th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Jorge Vazquez projects at .231/.281/.439 in 530 at bats.

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Gary Sanches covered himself in glory as a defensive catcher this year……
    ///

    You mean 18-year old Gary Sanchez?

  130. jacksquat January 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Kotchman is in the more expensive category with Pena. The Yankees are saying that’s not an option, which is why we are discussing less expensive guys like Damon and Matsui.

  131. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Joe-

    Pena hit .255 against righties, not much worse than Granderson’s .258 against righties. I don’t think Pena, Damon, Ibanez or Matsui answer CB’s need for a lefty bat that can hit righties with regularity. The only FA lefty bat that fills that bill, based solely on last years stats is 28 yo Casey Kotchman.

  132. CB January 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    YT,

    I just find it so hard to believe that Kotchman can suddenly hit. It’s just so weird. He’s been such a bad hitter for so long and then suddenly….?

    The other thing that concerns me about him is that Seattle themselves weren’t prioritizing his signing. I know they have Smoak – but if they really believed in his production last year that’s not a team that can just let offense walk away.

    All that said – I suppose it would be ok to take a flier if the price was all right. Not my first choice.

    I’m hoping they can make a trade for a LH platoon stick or just sign Pena if the money works out.

  133. mick January 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    what is wrong with matsui and jones at dh?
    matsui is selfless and will add intangibles and leadership and come thru in big spots.
    if he takes our bargain basement offer, he is ours.

  134. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    jacksquat-

    Must have missed that, but what is the source that Kotchman is too expensive an option. Most teams are pretty set at 1st that have money to spend.

  135. CB January 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    “My choice is Pena, and I’m betting that they’re waiting for his prideful fall.”

    If I were to guess – I’d think that’s what the Yanks are waiting/hoping for as well.

    There seems to be no market for him.

    He’s going to strike out. Won’t hit for average. But he’ll mash RH pitching and will get on base.

    Given budget issues, that’s probably the best they can hope for out of the platoon.

  136. blake January 16th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    A utility infielder essentially being the DH isn’t my idea of a good time.

    Pena/Jones, Damon/Jones, trade for somebody/Jones, Prince Fielder all are options.

  137. CB January 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    I wish Jim Thome hadn’t signed already. He would have been great for that role.

  138. Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    GF, did you throw the remote because you were upset at Montero being traded period or because you don’t think Pineda is or will be that good?

    I have to admit, I’m having a tug of war with myself as to how I feel. I am not happy, I am not unhappy. I feel a small pit in my stomach because I’m worried about this lineup going forward – plus I feel Montero was going to be very good. On the other hand, the more excellent young pitching talent you stockpile, the better. Who’s to say Betances and/or Banuelos will turn out? Maybe Nova will never be as good as he was this year – who knows? I’m going to think positive about this deal – until it’s a proven negative.

  139. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    The Yankees have the luxury of being able to wait for an opportunity to come to them on their terms.

    Nice.

    ;)

  140. blake January 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    I wish Beltran hadn’t signed already

  141. jacksquat January 16th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    jacksquat-

    Must have missed that, but what is the source that Kotchman is too expensive an option. Most teams are pretty set at 1st that have money to spend.

    I doubt a 128 OPS+ player would sign for 2 mil, not to mention be willing to become a DH platoon player.

    And CB, he played for the Rays last year, not Seattle, and I would guess the reason they haven’t resigned him is because of money.

  142. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    pineda is going to make you guys forget about montero.

  143. DaSaint007 January 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    I’d be good with the following roster:

    CC
    Kuroda
    Pineda
    Hughes
    Nova

    Rivera
    Robertson
    Soriano
    Garcia
    Logan
    Wade
    AJ

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Cano
    Arod
    Tex
    Swisher
    DH: Damon/Matsui
    Martin
    Gardner

    Nunez
    Cervelli
    Chavez/Bêtemit
    Jones

    They won’t go with 12 in the pen though.

  144. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    There’s James Loney who hit .312 vs righties due arbitration from last years salary of 4.875M. Not exactly a cheap option.

    Matsui and Damon both hit lefties better last year.

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    true blake, in retrospect, Beltran is looking pretty good about now. Especially because they were going to move Montero all along. No Winter Ball for the trade bait.

  146. blake January 16th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Id call and check on Ethier and just see what they want…..he’d be an awesome platoon guy with Jones.

  147. MTU January 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    The fans are impatient for answers the Yankees aren’t.

    ST is more than a month away.

    Like the Stones said, “Time is on my side”. “Yes it is.”

    ;)

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    pineda is going to make you guys forget about montero.
    ///

    Unless he’s so talented he can hit behind Cano, I doubt it.

  149. Jerkface January 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    There’s James Loney who hit .312 vs righties due arbitration from last years salary of 4.875M

    No to Loney, he isn’t good.

  150. blake January 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    If they had any idea that they’d trade Montero then not sure why they passed on Beltran when he was dying to come to NY and would do a two year deal. He’s a difference making bat.

  151. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Jacksquat-

    I agree that Kotchman would probably at 28, as a good fielder would rather play 1st than DH, but what teams with money need a 1st baseman?

    I suppose Adam LaRoche might be available after the Nats sign Prince Fielder!!

  152. mick January 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Rivera
    Robertson
    Soriano
    Garcia
    Logan
    Wade
    AJ
    ==========
    dont see aj in the pen.

  153. Giuseppe Franco January 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Betsy January 16th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    GF, did you throw the remote because you were upset at Montero being traded period or because you don’t think Pineda is or will be that good?

    ———–

    Because they traded Montero. He was the one guy in the system I didn’t want traded under any circumstances.

    I would’ve even preferred Banuelos dealt than Montero – simply because Montero was the only bat in the system who could help them in the foreseeable future.

    Young impact bats are becoming extremely scarce these days – even moreso than young impact pitchers.

  154. CB January 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    “he played for the Rays last year, not Seattle, and I would guess the reason they haven’t resigned him is because of money.”

    Thanks. Typing too fast. Meant to write the Rays and just pictured him in my head in the Seattle uniform.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I just don’t see him as being that expensive? Maybe he will be. It was only one year and there are so many other 1b around.

    The Rays offense was so limited and so bad last year that I didn’t think they could just let him go if they didn’t have questions on whether he could reproduce what he accomplished.

    I didn’t really want to get into this as he’s a minor figure but as the subject has come up – Kotchman’s year last season was very strange statistically.

    His BABIP was .335. That is a complete anomaly for him in his career. His previous high BABIP was .283.

    Knowing how statistically oriented the Rays are, I just figured they thought he had an outlier season and won’t be able to sustain that BABIP again so they haven’t really pursued him.

    But perhaps his contract demands are the issue. A combination?

  155. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Blake-

    If Beltran, like many of the better Boras FA’s who lately are not signed until January, was not signed so early, then yes he might very well be the Yankees choice, but in all likelihood then Kuroda wouldn’t have been signed.

  156. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    I don’t really want any of the current options at DH, but I would settle for Pena by default if the price falls.

    As for Gary Sanchez, love his bat, but it sounds like they are more impressed with JR’s progress behind the plate than Sanchez’s.

    Unless Pineda can hit for both average and power, I won’t be forgetting about Montero any time soon.

  157. CB January 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “I wish Beltran hadn’t signed already”

    Yeah. That too…

    Oh well. At least we have Soriano…

  158. Joe from Long Island January 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    CB- I recall reading somewhere that Kotchman had eye surgery.

    Pena didn’t get a nearly .900 OPS by striking out all the time. He’ll be fine as the lh dh.

  159. Nilsson January 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    When Noesi mysteriously left that game in winter ball. I think that was the point where the trade talks got serious.

  160. Bret The Hitman January 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    If Montero was trade bait all along, the should not have passed on Beltran. 900 OPS, can DH, play LF and RF.

  161. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    i really feel sorry for you guys, seems like you are so far into the montero kool-aid that you wont be able to enjoy the yankees this year and who knows how long into the future.

    it was avoidable, i knew he was going the day they rushed romine up to replace him at catcher. he was never going to catch for this team and therefore he was worth more as trade bait. but his trade value depended on him catching no or very very few games.

    it was obvious i dont understand how you all didn’t get the message.

  162. luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Hi everyone,

    Yankeefem, read your post last night, so that settles it, I’ll be in NY from May the 7th till the 14th. By the way thank you for providing the schedule.

    On the trade, everybody knows how I fell about it, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t like Pineda. I surely hope that he becomes the frontline starter that the FO is hoping for.

    JAP, I do think that Sanchez is our best bet for catcher in the future, he did better than Montero in A ball with less at bats , so GO MAQUINITO!!!!!

    CB, very good post, they did improve the pitching side in a big way, but I fear the offense needs another young impact bat.

  163. Giuseppe Franco January 16th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    blake January 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    If they had any idea that they’d trade Montero then not sure why they passed on Beltran when he was dying to come to NY and would do a two year deal. He’s a difference making bat.

    ———

    In theory, he would have been perfect for that role now.

    That said, even if Beltran was still available, he might have been deemed too expensive because of their budgetary concerns.

  164. exiledintampa January 16th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    The main reason the Rays didn’t bring Kotchman back was money. They extended Moore cause he’s the real deal and they got Luke Scott to play FB for 4 mill. So, I would think Kotchman wants more than that.

  165. CB January 16th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Joe,

    Interesting. I guess that’s possible. Though I’d figure that if his vision corrected surgically it should have corrected with contacts as well.

    Agree on Pena. At this point they would be fortunate to be able to get him.

  166. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Blake- Ethier made 9.25M last year. The Dodgers would probably want Gardner and others for him plus he’s not a platoon player.

  167. luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    JAP,

    Ditto on forgetting Montero.

  168. jacksquat January 16th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    I’d guess Kotchman wants a bounce back salary after his bounce back season. He has made more in the past. Who knows what he’ll end up making though, he’s a legit option if his price is low enough (if the Yankees are really not spending much for this spot).

  169. randy l. January 16th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    pat m

    just watched video of pineda as you suggested last night.

    i didn’t like at all what i saw. very unbalanced follow through. basically i’m expecting to see a pitcher who’s going to struggle in yankee stadium against teams that have strong left handed line ups.

    i expect this guy will be a relief pitcher by the time he’s 27-28 if he’s actually still in the game.

  170. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    As for Gary Sanchez, love his bat, but it sounds like they are more impressed with JR’s progress behind the plate than Sanchez’s.
    //

    I’d love to see JR today behind the plate. It could be I happened to witness the day from hell for him, but he was just such a fish out of water, even to the point where his center of gravity was off trying to pick the ball off the field. He looked like a guy who was in an emergency role who had never caught in his life. As a hitter, though, it was the other end of the spectrum. Cool as a cucumber, patient, great level swing. Sanchez athletically was way ahead of him.

  171. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Pena didn’t get a nearly .900 OPS by striking out all the time. He’ll be fine as the lh dh.
    —————————-
    Of all the left handed FA possibilities to fill the DH role, don’t you think Pena, a Boras client, will get the most $$ , more than Kotchman, Damon, Ibanez, Matsui?

  172. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    “Blake- Ethier made 9.25M last year. The Dodgers would probably want Gardner and others for him plus he’s not a platoon player.”

    he probably should be a platoon player….I don’t know what they’d ask for

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    JAP,

    Ditto on forgetting Montero.
    //

    luis, did you see what Yankeefem posted? Montero the Mariner is in the Bronx in May. I think the 13-15, is that right YF, if you’re out there? I’ll have to check the schedule, but are you in town then, luis? That would be eerie, eh?

  174. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    If Pineda contines to be able to throw 97 mph for strikes with that nasty slider then I think barring injury his floor is probably a #3 starter even if he doesn’t develop a 3rd pitch…..he’d basically be AJ that throws strikes. If he does those things and develops a workable change up or split then he could be a legit #1

  175. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Ys, I got the message early on about Montero also; it wasn’t too hard to figure out. That doesn’t mean, I can’t disagree with the move, lament the loss, and be concerned about how we will replace Montero’s bat. At the same time I can comprehend what the new players’ potential might be, root for the new players and enjoy the season. Again, I am not sure why so many people have a problem with a differing opinion and perspective. SMH.

  176. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

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    ///

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  178. CB January 16th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

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    randy,

    He does fall off the mound when he finishes. But when pitchers do that the problem that results, as I’m sure you know, it limited control and command.

    Pineda has excellent control and good command.

    I’ve watched him throw a fair bit. He’s real good. Raw. But very talented.

    CC falls off the mound as well. Some guys can do that and still command it. He struck me as one of those guys that can make it work.

    Whether he can add a third pitch – don’t know. That’s to be seen. As it is for many 22 years olds, especially ones rushed through the minors. Right now – his change up isn’t very good so there’s work to do there.

  179. kd January 16th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

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    watch any campos video?

  180. luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    JAP,

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  181. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Sounds like playing the the DR league may not have been the wisest decision for Cespedes

  182. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Pineda’s slider is absolute wipeout…..he throws the ball downhill like CC does with that frame. I hate losing Montero but I love Pineda……

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    Hi everyone,

    Yankeefem, read your post last night, so that settles it, I’ll be in NY from May the 7th till the 14th. By the way thank you for providing the schedule.
    ///

    Sorry luis, missed this. I’m there if you are.

  184. Nilsson January 16th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    Nilsson January 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    When Noesi mysteriously left that game in winter ball. I think that was the point where the trade talks got serious.
    ///

    I’d forgotten about that. We were concerned he was hurt. It’s been in progress for a while, now.

    —————————————————————————————

    I forgot about it too. Until I saw your post about Montero and his absence from winter ball. Then the light bulb went off.

  185. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Yankees @YankeeSource 2h
    In reality, Darvish will make more next season staying in Japan than pitching for the Rangers (if his contract was Dice-K like).

    Yankees Yankees @YankeeSource 2h
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  186. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    yeah, i dont have any problem with other people’s opinions, its just that i could never be as miserable about it and still root for my team as many on here are. i’m psyched to root for pineda as a yankee as much as i am about betances and banuelos. unless they get traded, then i’ll root for whoever is on the team then.

  187. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    so GO MAQUINITO!!!!!
    ///

    luis, translation please? :D

  188. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    the other thing is i never saw montero as the next mickey mantle or babe ruth or whoever else people on here have been comparing him to. you’d think the guy has 300 homers or something the way he’s been written about by alot of the people on here. if i ready ‘once in a lifetiime bat’ again im going to hurl!

  189. randy l. January 16th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “If Pineda contines to be able to throw 97 mph for strikes with that nasty slider then I think barring injury his floor is probably a #3 starter even if he doesn’t develop a 3rd pitch…..he’d basically be AJ that throws strikes.”

    blake-

    i’d agree with that except that on first look i’m thinking injuries are inevitable with his throwing motion. so his floor to me is a lot of time on the DL, much like aj in his early career.

  190. Pat M. January 16th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Pineda has no hitter stuff, and chances are he’ll either thoss one or come close to it several times during his career

  191. luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    JAP,

    Count on it, I wouldn’t miss it for anything. I will relay some info for you through Chad if that’s ok with you.

  192. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 16th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    OT – I was channel surfing and came across a show called Baseball Wives. Holy good God almighty, Anna Benson sounds and looks like 25 miles of highly-travelled road. She’s hideous!!! Her husband must be mighty whipped. But he always looked pretty wimpy to me anyway.

    Okay. As yous was.

    :)

  193. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Randy,

    it’s possible…..as with all pitchers….that’s what you hope against but we’ll see. He’s a big kid who looks like he repeats fairly well from the limited amount I’ve seen. I’m going to try and not take it out on him that he was the reason Montero is gone ;)

  194. Ys Guy January 16th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    randy watches a video and has pineda out of baseball in 5 years…
    that instant scouting report couldnt have been colored by your white-hot hatred for cashman, could it?
    i haven’t read anyone who’s scouted him for real be anywhere near as negative as you are.

  195. luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    JAP,

    LOL!!!, translation GO LITTLE MACHINE!!!

  196. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 16th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    “yeah, i dont have any problem with other people’s opinions”

    “if i ready ‘once in a lifetiime bat’ again im going to hurl!”

    Hmmmm.

    :)

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    Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 29s

    The growing desire among teams for designated hitter positional-flexibility is hurting some veterans — Vlad, Damon, Matsui, Manny, etc.

    well that and they are all old and can’t really hit that well anymore….if they could hit like they did 5 years ago then my guess is nobody would care about “positional-flexibility”

  198. Carlo January 16th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    If cain and hamels sign extensions this year, does trading mantle/manny/miggy start making more sense?

  199. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Yes, Luis/Pruf, May 11-13th Montero is in. What karma.

  200. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    I’m throwing this trade out there for Burnett for a hitter, but I don’t suspect it will stick. He makes 14M each of the next two years. Burnett makes 33M total. He’s a righty played in only 69 games last year.

    Yes it’s Justin Morneau. If the Twins traded him for Burnett, and if the team is not one of the 10 teams on his NT list, and the Twins took on the difference in salary, there’s an extra 5M to spend if needed.

    Expecting a raking over the coals for this suggestion.
    Thoughts?

  201. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    “If cain and hamels sign extensions this year, does trading mantle/manny/miggy start making more sense?”

    only if Hal plans to spend the money he was going to use on them on something else instead of putting it in his back pocket.

  202. kd January 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    just an idea here:

    the a’s have shown over and over they can develop young pitching, starting with the mulder, zito, hudson group to the present day trades, cahill, gio, etc. what’s their secret?

    they simply cannot be paying these scouts, coaches, minor league managers what the yankees could afford. the yankees probably pay more for security in the player’s parking lot than the a’s pay these guys. can’t cashman just poach these guys?

    if you can’t out develop them, outspend them?

  203. luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Ys,

    I Believe Randy I catched many MLB pitchers, so I would listen what he has to say in that regard

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    I forgot about it too. Until I saw your post about Montero and his absence from winter ball. Then the light bulb went off.
    ///

    When I heard JM was out for WB, I felt a little sick. Then I sort of talked myself out of it.

  205. LGY January 16th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    My question is.

    If Hamels hits free agency do the Yankees pass?

    Is the Pineda trade a signal they don’t plan to spend on pitching in the near future?

  206. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 16th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    I would say what hurt Manny was pregnancy drugs, repeat PED offenses, belligerence, pushing down an old man who wasn’t able to get him the tickets he wanted, and unadulterated stupidity – to name a few.

  207. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    “the a’s have shown over and over they can develop young pitching, starting with the mulder, zito, hudson group to the present day trades, cahill, gio, etc. what’s their secret?”

    they get to draft high because they are bad…and then they trade any good players they do have for more prospects who will eventually be traded for more prospects when they get good.

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    Minny management would get roaster with you.

  209. Joe from Long Island January 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    The Rangers are between a rock and a hard place.

    If they sign Darvish, they will get a hi-priced multiyear contract for a high risk player. Who knows how his skills will translate. The total package will be for more than they could have signed cj Wilson for.

    If they don’t sign him, they will have a big hole in their rotation. And, signing Fielder doesn’t fix that.

  210. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    “If Hamels hits free agency do the Yankees pass? ”

    I certainly hope not

  211. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    yankeefeminista January 16th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
    Yes, Luis/Pruf, May 11-13th Montero is in. What karma.
    ///

    Thanks. Crazy.

    I hope these Montero “attitude” stories vanish soon. Didn’t Montero grow up a Red Sox fan? The last thing I want to see is this kid sticking it to the Yankees upon FA at age 27 and signing with Boston. It’s time to just quiet all that down and move along.

  212. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 16th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    YT – Don’t know what Mourneau has left in the tank after his inability to really come back well after his concussions, etc. But I think that if there is any thought that he still has a lot to offer, I am highly doubtful that the Twinkies would let him go. If they did agree to trade him to the Yanks, I would think they knew his best days were over because I can’t see the Twins doing anything to help out the Yanks of all teams.

    JMO

  213. Yankee Trader January 16th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Blake-

    Darvish made 6M last year and that much more in endorsements. He’s expecting his divorce to be finalized any day now. I suspect he wants no less than 11M/year for 5 years guaranteed, from the Rangers with incentives/perks added in and not the 6yr/52M guaranteed money that Matsusaka made with 8M in incentives that he’ll never reach.

  214. blake January 16th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Trader,

    Darvish will sign….the big quesiton is whether they can sign Prince too.

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  216. luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    I was the one who broke the news of JM not playing wb, I was happy thinking that it meant that they were protecting him for next season. Also remember JAP telling me it might mean that there was a trade in the works. Damn!!!

  217. mick January 16th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    :arrow:

  218. Nilsson January 16th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    I forgot about it too. Until I saw your post about Montero and his absence from winter ball. Then the light bulb went off.
    ///

    When I heard JM was out for WB, I felt a little sick. Then I sort of talked myself out of it.

    ————————————————————————————–

    Look at it this way. At least it wasn’t for Gio Gonzalez, Garza, Danks. etc … Not that they’re bad pitchers, but if Montero was gonna be sacrificed for them, then I’m likely at stage 3 right now.

  219. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    JAP,

    LOL!!!, translation GO LITTLE MACHINE!!!
    ///

    LOL! He’s not that little, though. Not as big as Jesus.

  220. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    luis January 16th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    JAP,

    Count on it, I wouldn’t miss it for anything. I will relay some info for you through Chad if that’s ok with you.
    ///

    Absolutely. Looking forward to it. :D

  221. randy l. January 16th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    “randy watches a video and has pineda out of baseball in 5 years…”

    y’s guy-

    no that’s not true.

    i watched at least three and maybe five :)

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