Posada: “I knew this was it”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 24, 2012 
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Jorge Posada said he couldn’t remember the specific day or time when he decided to retire, but it’s clear that moment didn’t happen in the offseason. It was at some point last season that Posada told his wife and told Derek Jeter that he wasn’t coming back.
Maybe his frustration at losing his job behind the plate and his struggle to find consistency with the bat played a role in that decision, but it’s clear that, when the season ended, Posada knew his career had ended as well.
Posada said returning never crossed his mind, not even after Jesus Montero was traded and the Yankees DH spot became open. He said it wouldn’t have mattered if the Yankees had shown interest from the very beginning of the offseason, he was finished.
“I really can’t go back to tell you when and what, but I knew this was it,” Posada said.
On losing his job at catcher: “That’s tough. It’s like being demoted from Day 1. I never got a chance to fight for my job. They told me, you’ve got to do this, and that’s it. That was probably the toughest thing for me.”
On whether his skills eroded: “Hitting right-handed, I felt like something was wrong. For sure, something was wrong with my swing right-handed. I can still hit left-handed, there’s no question about it. I feel like I can. I felt like, toward the end, I wasn’t given a chance to do it to come out of the slump right-handed, but I felt good left-handed all year. Things didn’t happen for me the way I wanted them to, but I don’t think that was the reason for my decision.”
On what’s next: “I don’t know what’s going to happen for me. I really don’t. I know I want to be home, I want to relax, enjoy it, and then see what comes. See what’s going to come. I know ESPN has called. I know MLB (Network) has called. I know the YES Network has called. I don’t see myself on the mic. I don’t know. I really don’t know. I want to take it easy… I want to be home and I want to enjuoy the summer and see what comes my way.”
I’m sure I’ll be blogging a lot about Posada today. For now, here’s his emotional opening statement.
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Hip Hip Jorge!!!
ron January 24th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Why didn’t the yankees just keep montero,and put joba back in the rotation?
Joba has a fb,slider,curve,maybe more.
They are saying that if pineda doesn’t develope another pitch,he is a number 3 or 4 starter.
What the crap are we doing to develope our pitchers?
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That would have made too much sense.
On losing his job at catcher: “That’s tough. It’s like being demoted from Day 1. I never got a chance to fight for my job. They told me, you’ve got to do this, and that’s it. That was probably the toughest thing for me.”
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This mindset may have presaged Montero’s departure as well.
RobinsonCano Jorge today is a bittersweet day in Yankee History. Its sad to see my friend whose taught so much on and off the fiel? say.ly/jnL1jr1
“This mindset may have presaged Montero’s departure as well.”
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agreed, they didnt think either guy could catch.
Oops…stupid link. Let’s try this:
http://www.whosay.com/robinson.....de=jnL1jr1
Henry Schulman @hankschulman 3m Timmy gets two years, $40.5 million Retweeted by Jon Heyman
Thanks for the years Jorge – now we need to find the next great Yankee catcher. I am banking on Gary Sanchez…
“agreed, they didnt think either guy could catch.”
I wonder if Girardi was the manager instead of Torre, whether or not Posada would have had his HoF career as a Yankee.
“I wonder if Girardi was the manager instead of Torre, whether or not Posada would have had his HoF career as a Yankee.”
Maybe not…..but Scott Proctor may have
…..ok maybe not
Hank Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that the Giants have reached agreement on a two-year, $40.5 million contract with right-hander Tim Lincecum.
Source: Hank Schulman on Twitter
The Giants were hoping to luck Lincecum up to a long-term contract this offseason, but the 27-year-old had a higher asking price than the club could reach. This deal buys out his remaining arbitration years, and allows him to test the open market in 2014. Lincecum registered a 2.74 ERA and 220/86 K/BB ratio in 217 innings last year for San Francisco and should remain a bonafide ace over the course of his new two-year deal. Jan 24 – 2:28 PM
- Rotoworld
Lincecum has used the arbitration process like no other…..bravo. just better hope he doesn’t get hurt in the next two years.
DRob30 Going to miss Jorge this season. He is an amazing athlete and great friend. It was an honor to spend the past 4 seasons with him.
Lincecum and his agent did a great jo b playing high stakes chicken with the Giants. They threw out those huge arbitration numbers and the Giants were scared that they would win each of those hearings, or they never would have ratcheted his salary up so fast. Good for him – way to make the system work for you.
mattpitman
For the record the REAL Jon Heyman is @JonHeymanCBS. The FAKE ONE is @JohnHeymanCBS, a d-bag loser w/ no job, living in his grammas basement
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johnpboyle
By fake breaking the Fielder signing, fake Jo(h)n Heyman has gone from two to 16 followers. Good job.
wasn’t he under control till 2014 anyway? they just agreed to a set figure as opposed to going through arbitration twice instead?
Very dumb move on the part of SF. Worst case scenario, the giants woulda paid a little more than this 2yr deal via Arb this season and next. I was countin’ on The Freak chuckin’ for us come Sept. Now you gotta wonder what they will do regarding Cain. Sure seems to be a lotta $$$ floatin’ around All of MLB.
There’s a fake Heyman account?
At this point, I’m probably more hoping that the Phillies sign Cole Hamels than not – because I think the Yankees will pass next winter.
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That what Pineda is for.
There’s a lot of incentive to go below 189MM. Interesting to see what the yanks will do there.
It wasn’t too long ago many were saying that A-Rod’s (among others) contract would not have an effect on the way they do business.
Those waiting for the big Prince to come calling are Godotites.
mattpitman
For the record the REAL Jon Heyman is @JonHeymanCBS. The FAKE ONE is @JohnHeymanCBS, a d-bag loser w/ no job, living in his grammas basement
Did @JohnHeymanCBS do the FBI background check? For all we know, the fake one is a very rich man living off of the capital gains from hard-earned wealth.
@TBrownYahoo: Source: Prince is very close to a nine-year contract with the Detroit Tigers, according to sources.
Better than the Rangers but worse than the nationals (in terms of hindering the Yankees going to the WS)
Erin January 24th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
There’s a fake Heyman account?
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Jon Heyman has finally hit the big time. He’s no longer alone as the second biggest jerk with a twitter account. keith Law still stands atop the summit.
Erin January 24th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
There’s a fake Heyman account?
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Apparently so (note the “n”)…
JohnHeymanCBS
Prince Fielder to the #Nationals is official. 8 year deal.
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now this..
StoneLarry
This is the real Tim Brown. RT @TBrownYahoo: Source: Prince is very close to 9-year contract with the Detroit Tigers, according to sources.
“It wasn’t too long ago many were saying that A-Rod’s (among others) contract would not have an effect on the way they do business.”
Most said otherwise, and more importantly, only the suits that run the team agreed to the stupid deal.
StoneLarry
The classic Scott Boras mystery team emerges
wow the tigers! they need to replace vmart, but 9 years? i find it hard to believe that teams keep signing these super long contracts despite the serious risk. good for the tigers it true.
Prince close to deal with Tigers?
They say Fielder close on 9 year deal with Tigers. I guess Nats and Tigers going at it and Tigers offered a 9th year? Expensive DH. Because Cabrera has proven he stinks elsewhere in the field.
OMG….that sucks.
CompassRosy-
Look at these homerun 2011 stats per ballpark.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/p.....t/HRFactor
Safeco was #13 out of 30, with AT&T in SF last. I see where the LF line is 331 that quickly goes to 390 and 327 down the RF line that goes to 387.
Smoak hit 10 of his 15 homers there. What makes Safeco a pitchers park, and will Montero be able to go the other way and hit them out in right?
i think the angels are going to be hurt badly on the back end of pujols’ contract and if this one is true i think the tigers are going to regret the end of this one.
Apparently so (note the “n”)…
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I meant “h”
Dont the tigers already have a power hitting first baseman?
We should know by know….its always the mystery team. I guess the Tigers don’t have a problem paying a lot for a DH.
Wow (if true)…
I will never doubt Boras again.
I will never doubt Boras again.
I will never doubt Boras again.
I will never doubt Boras again.
I will never doubt Boras again.
I will never doubt Boras again.
9/$214M
Prince to Detroit makes for an extremely slow offense on the bases. Just keep these guys in the park, and pitch around ‘em when possible. A station-to-station offense just don’t cut it.
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 4m price deal is $214M, 9 yrs. #tigers
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 4m fielder gets 9 yrs, $200_plus mil. @TBrownYahoo said close
This blows…..no rotating DHs in Detroit.
Boras does always seem to get the big boys money…..
If that’s true, does Fielder move back to 1st upon Martinez’s return with Cabrera going to 3rd?
I don’t see Fielder wanting to DH for 9 years and become a FA again at age 36 when his only position will be DH again.
Tigers scored 787 runs last year, 4th in AL behind Boston, NYY, Texas.
so prince has landed and you can bet that that means the rangers keep hamilton.
$214 for 9 years?
This is arguably Boras’ all time best. Better even than the time he got Rodriguez $275M plus incenetives as the Yankees “punishment” for opting out of his Texas deal in ’07.
Wow that is going to be a terrible contract for the Tigers. 9 years is crazy…
Lotta $$$ thrown around this offseason.
is baseballprospectus dead for anyone else?
9 years $214 ………………… yikes
214M or 23.78M/year.
Wonder if he got the Boras standard opt out clause?
Is Detroit chasing a TV deal?
Well, this explains the groans of despair I just heard coming from White Sox Guy’s cubicle.
Tex 8 years and $180 is suddenly looking not so bad.
Well, the tigers went for it!!! WOW! miggy and the prince??!! Ooooooweee!!!
Let me get this straight…
Miggy signed until 2015
V-Mart signed until 2014
Fielder signed until 2020
For… 2 positions? 1B and DH?
Are they going to pretend Miggy can play 3B again?
if i were a ball player, i’d hire boras.
9/214 is just plain crazy. he might start to deteriorate in a few seasons like his dad. and now cabrera has to be full time dh. what happens when they get vmart back?
but they do have the best 3-4 hitters in baseball now. they’re not going to be fun to play
All this in the middle of a horrible US economy????
DONNYBROOK January 24th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
I was countin’ on The Freak chuckin’ for us come Sept.
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Probably not one of your better predictions……
It’s a great move for the Tigers. They value the bat more than the misguided myth here that there is nowhere to play plus bats. They’ll work it out with Prince and Miggy sharing 1b and DH and Miggy maybe even playing some 3b. When Victor comes back they can catch him or DH him and still keep all 3 bats in the lineup. It hurts defense but their offense will make it up for it.
A 3-4 of Cabrera and Fielder is pretty amazing. It’s a bit better than what we would have had with a 3-4 of Cano and Fielder.
Tigers bring back Cecil’s son to the hometown team. That’s pretty cool for Detroit and kind of makes me smile. I just hope they don’t beat us in the playoffs again and I’m glad he’s not on the Rangers.
Heyman reporting Prince gets 1B with Miggy changing positions.
For… 2 positions? 1B and DH?
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Don’t really have to worry about it this year, but from that point on, it’ll be interesting.
Well, if there is one thing we can take away from the Fielder move [insert random, redundant criticism of the Jesus Montero trade].
No doubt about it.
BryanHoch Interesting note: Jorge Posada said he would have continued playing if he were 9 or fewer HRs from 300. He retires with 275.
Prince to Detroit makes for an extremely slow offense on the bases. Just keep these guys in the park, and pitch around ‘em when possible. A station-to-station offense just don’t cut it.
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Good luck trying to pitch around back to back hitters.
Captain Clutch
Wow that is going to be a terrible contract for the Tigers. 9 years is crazy…
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Is it worse than Arod’s contract?
Joe Casale @sportsJC16
Scott Boras once again found one dumb owner. Great deal for Prince. Not sure how it makes the Tigers markedly better over the long term.
Again, just keep ‘em in the park. The quagmire on the bases will choke ‘em off.
Jorge on WFAN
More pressure on the NYY with the Prince landing in Detroit. Miggy, Prince, Martinez (when he comes back) Avila, D. Young, Peralta. pretty good lineup with a pretty good pitching staff.
So Prince will be a FT DH with Miggy at 1B ?
- Sammie-
Agreed. But I’m still swingin’ from the heels in spite of the K.
Holy Smokes on this news. The Central Division is a wrap.
Yankees @YankeeSource
With the Fielder signing, one more team falls out of the Cespedes race. Marlins probably have the best chance at him now.
Time for the yanks to sweep in and sign both cubans
Jorge on WFAN now.
Not only a bad economy, but in Detriot? All the issues around the auto industry. This all seems like a team heading towards a financial problem at some point in the not too distant future. And now they have two overweight hitters who will start to break down physically if they don’t shape up. Youth can only overcome so much.
Tex 8 years and $180 is suddenly looking not so bad.
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Uh yes it is. Tex is getting worse a lot sooner than most expected
Its a crazy contract……but short term it stinks for the Yanks. Detroit now easily has the best 3/4 combo in baseball ans one of the better rotations as well…..its probably better than him signing with Texas…..but not much.
Where is Cabrera going to play? He will have to DH right?
This is what happens when teams are so far under the luxury tax threholds, raking in money, that they can absorb these contracts.
It didn’t work for lefty Dunn last year, so Erin, maybe your WS fan at work can take some solace in that.
Cabrera/Fielder/Martinez(when healthy) is an ABSURD middle of the lineup. But I don’t see how you can get all 3 of them in the same lineup. Cabrera at 3B or Martinez behind the plate? Both are embarrassingly bad.
blake – I think Miggy is a better first-baseman than Fielder… but that’s a twit race if I’ve ever seen one.
DKnobler MLB announces Tony La Russa will manage NL All-Stars
Cabrera used to be a 3rd baseman, however not a very good one.
- Phranshise-
Good point about the Detroit economy. Though I do enjoy watching “Hard Core Pawn”.
Tex has a sub par season and he is suddenly bad. The guy is 31 not late 30s or something. This isn’t a physical breakdown thing, this is a bad season. And one where he revamped his workout habbits going into the season to try and promote a better start as he has always been notoriously a late starter.
They move Miggy back to 3B and the defense suffers along with the team speed on the bases.
Miggy played 3B about 30 lbs ago…..I don’t think he can play anywhere but 1B or DH…..especially in Comerica.
Fielder is a slight upgrade if anything to the ridiculous season V Mart had in the clutch for them last year. It’s a high profile sick combo, but let’s be real, the Tigers got marginally better for next year. No difference than the overreaction to the Sox getting Crawford and A Gone but omitting that they lost V Mart and Beltre. Net net, it isn’t drastically different.
They move Miggy back to 3B and the defense suffers along with the team speed on the bases
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Team speed no different than last year. Simply replacing the very slow V. Martinez with the similarly slow Fielder.
Tex has a sub par season and he is suddenly bad. The guy is 31 not late 30s or something. This isn’t a physical breakdown thing, this is a bad season. And one where he revamped his workout habbits going into the season to try and promote a better start as he has always been notoriously a late starter.
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I would agree if this was the only bad season. But over the last 4 years there is an obvious downward trend.
2008: .308/.410/.552
2009: .292/.383/.565
2010: .256/.365/.481
2011: .248/.341/.494
Very troubling
TEX hit 39 HR’s and knocked in 111. You guys are talkin’ like the Titanic sunk. Stop the Chicken Little routine.
Lincecum was going to be a Yankee by September?
No wonder the Tigers went all-in on Prince Fielder.
What are they going to do when Vmart comes back and they have three guys who should be DHing? Its a kinda weird signing …….and kinda short sided…..it’ll make the Tigers good in 2012 though
His dad played 7 years for the Tigers, before becoming a Yankee, so maybe at age 34 he’ll be DH for the Yankees?
The “Mystery Team” keeps getting the best players. First Lee, then Pujols, and now Prince. They are pretty good.
Posada outhit Tex and Swisher against RHP last season and lost his job as primary DH.
I think there is more than enough reason to be concerned about what remains on offense.
What are they going to do when Vmart comes back and they have three guys who should be DHing? Its a kinda weird signing …….and kinda short sided…..it’ll make the Tigers good in 2012 though
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Well they could just trade Victor Martinez ( havent looked if he has a NT or anything). Or entertain Miggy in LF or 3B.
The Detroit economy really has nothing to do with Mike Illich who owns the Tigers and Red Wings and at one point was looking to buy the Pistons as well. He is worth almost $ 2 billion dollars and is in a league by himself in Detroit.
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
If V-Mart back healthy in ’13, #Tigers could try trading Miggy with 3 yrs, $63M left (2013-15) Bet new #Dodgers owner would be interested
interesting thought. at those prices, a lot of teams would be interested.
“Well they could just trade Victor Martinez ( havent looked if he has a NT or anything). Or entertain Miggy in LF or 3B.”
They coukd entertain it….but Miggy has gained some lbs since he played somewhere else….that would likely be ugly.
Crazy contract…..
Ys Guy January 24th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
wasn’t he under control till 2014 anyway? they just agreed to a set figure as opposed to going through arbitration twice instead?
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Yes, this was completely a buy out the option years deal from what I understand. SF must have been scared that he could ask for a lot more next year, because they are basically paying what he asked for in arbitration this year. I have no idea what their motivation was to sign that deal.
Well they could just trade Victor Martinez ( havent looked if he has a NT or anything). Or entertain Miggy in LF or 3B
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Could trade Cabrera too. He’ll have 3 years/$62M left on is deal. Still young. He’d draw some interest.
CDickerson_PFTP Chris Dickerson
It’s been agreed after today’s football toss around @NickSwisher could have buried the 32 yarder missed by Billy Cundiff. #swishalishious
- Doggy -
I’m looking at Martinez\team speed, making it back by Sept at the latest. The DH Slot doesn’t require a lot.
If V-Mart back healthy in ’13, #Tigers could try trading Miggy with 3 yrs, $63M left (2013-15) Bet new #Dodgers owner would be interested
So would everybody.
That 3/4 of Cabrera/Fielder is like Manny and Ortiz back in 2004.. so sick. Arguably even better
Tex Gold Glove every year
2008 wasn’t even on the Yankees.
2009 39 homers 122 rbis 81 walks 114 ks
2010 33 homers 108 rbis 93 walks 122 ks
2011 39 homers 111 rbis 76 walks 110 ks
So he isn’t hitting for average, or below his career. The production is still there.
patrick,
and presumably steroid free. unlike the red sox duo
My guess is Cabrera to third, Fielder to first, and don’t sweat the defense.
The Tigers won’t be a good matchup in Game 1 with Verlander on the mound and Cabrera and Fielder in the lineup.
I still can’t see why SF gave The Freak $40 Mill And he can still go free agent in 2 yrs. SF shoulda bought him outta free agency if they were gonna spend that kinda jack.
So he isn’t hitting for average
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Without the average his total on base suffers because he doesnt walk enough to offset it. He walks a lot, which made his OBP beastly with a high average, but with a low one its not really that good. Low average also dragging his slugging under .500.
It’s been agreed after today’s football toss around @NickSwisher could have buried the 32 yarder missed by Billy Cundiff.
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As long as he wasn’t asked to kick it in October.
Much better team around Manny\Ortiz, than the Tigers are fielding in 2012.
This signing will confuse Cashman. The man who doesn’t believe in letting a great bat be the DH. Too bad the Yanks DH was just traded for a prospect.
Id rather have Cabrera longterm than Prince though…..he’s better……
Tex Gold Glove every year
2008 wasn’t even on the Yankees.
2009 39 homers 122 rbis 81 walks 114 ks
2010 33 homers 108 rbis 93 walks 122 ks
2011 39 homers 111 rbis 76 walks 110 ks
So he isn’t hitting for average, or below his career. The production is still there.
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Doesn’t matter if he was on the Yankees or not. I’m establishing a 4 year downward trend. Added the extra year because it gives more credence to my argument that Tex is getting worse and worse every year after hitting his peak in 2008.
Quoting HR and RBI’s means nothing when his average, obp and slugging are all getting worse
I still can’t see why SF gave The Freak $40 Mill And he can still go free agent in 2 yrs. SF shoulda bought him outta free agency if they were gonna spend that kinda jack.
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?? They have him under control for 2 more years. Why would they get rid of one of the best pitchers in baseball when they can afford to spend 20 mil for him? They get 2 more years and dont have to worry about injury or ineffectiveness long term. Its smart to buy him out of the last 2 years because he was going to chainsaw murder them in arbitration.
Much better team around Manny\Ortiz, than the Tigers are fielding in 2012.
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And what’s your point?
“My guess is Cabrera to third, Fielder to first, and don’t sweat the defense.”
Probably so…..
Erin January 24th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Well, this explains the groans of despair I just heard coming from White Sox Guy’s cubicle.
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that reminds me, I’ll have to check in with the resident WS fan here….
“So would everybody.”
Wonder who might make for a good trade partner?
Maybe a team in need of a DH with lots of major league ready young pitching to spare?
“That 3/4 of Cabrera/Fielder is like Manny and Ortiz back in 2004.. so sick. Arguably even better”
DH’s don’t matter. They aren’t valuable. There’s nothing to worry about.
Crazy deal from the Tigers. Flags fly forever. Ilitch sees a window and wants to bring a championship to detroit. I’m sure they know they’ll regret it later – but it’s a short term play.
In a year where the Sox and Yanks are constraining spending – makes sense in a certain way.
That’s an impossible 3-4 to pitch to.
Contracts like these just remind you of how much money has flooded the game. Its mind boggling. People really don’t have a good sense for how much money is concentrated in such a small industry.
It’s why the players aren’t grossly “overpayed” and why cries of poverty from ownership are most often hollow.
And the person who really knows that is Boras. Phenomenal job for his client.
This a year after Jason Werth. A year after Crawford and Dunn were disasters.
SF shouldda oughtta whatta?
They offered him a 5 year deal.
He countered with asking for 8.
They’re probably going to pay him a little less now than he would have — sorry, than he wouldda — gotten with two single-year deals.
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SF had him under control for the next 2 yrs whether they made this deal or not. So what are they going to give Cain now? Any of you Stat Heads know how Cain stacks up to Fister?
2008 .357 .462 .653
2009 .327 .443 .658
2010 .312 .414 .596
2011 .299 .366 .541
That’s a down trend to.
That’s Albert Pujlous.
I’ll take the homers and production he has any day.
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Comparison was made of Manny\Ortiz vs Prince\Miggy.
I still can’t see why SF gave The Freak $40 Mill And he can still go free agent in 2 yrs. SF shoulda bought him outta free agency if they were gonna spend that kinda jack.
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Don’t see how it hurts them. If they went to arb with him twice, they spend that money anyway.
SF had him under control for the next 2 yrs whether they made this deal or not.
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Except at greatly increasing costs. Tim was going to win arbitration this year and the next for even more money. Thats why its a smart deal. He won’t accept a 5 year deal and thats the max SF is willing to go.
The Yanks are lucky that the Sox are such a mess because the Angels and Tigers have really improved. The Rangers are also going to be tough. Cashman has to get the Yanks a bat to DH.
- NICK -
Key word being “probably”. If I was gonna shell out that kinda $$$, I gotta get some of The Freak’s free agent years included. 6yr deal woulda been a good compromise.
Does this mean we can trade AJ for Cabrera?
- Doggy -
So why Guarantee it Now????
SF had him under control for the next 2 yrs whether they made this deal or not
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Giants Arb number was $17M. Lincecum’s was $21M. He wasn’t getting less than $17M this year no matter what and assuming good health would be in the low $20′s next year. This deal is $18M for this year and $22M for next. It was the right thing to do.
Donny, I too would like to live in a world in which I can get whatever I want without leverage.
What color is the sky in your magical world?
CB – the game does bring in an awful lot of money. that’s why i was really perplexed as to why the pa would countenance that luxury tax deal, and a harder line on draft contracts. no wonder they were all so friendly with michael weiner when the deal was announced.
Cashman has to get the Yanks a bat to DH.
Why?
guess texas will sign hamilton now
who is the next great outfielder to hit free agency?
gotta sign those cubans
Why?
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Because right now the Yanks DH vs RHP is going to suck and the Yankees should never punt a lineup spot.
Because I wasn’t thinking about it. How cool is it for the Tigers to have Fielder Sr and Jr playing for them. That is pretty neat when you think about it. Another nice pitch Boras had I am sure.
jerkface – they risked the extra… what.. $5-$6mil he would have earned in arb? on him not getting injured for 2 seasons… not outrageous but not completely brilliant either.
The Giants get cost certainty on Lincecum the next two seasons and also avoid potentially nasty arbitration hearings on a player they will still likely want to try to sign long term.
However, they aren’t saving much money and have lost the protection the arbitration process offers teams with respect to injury.
Not sure if the cost certainty was worth the risk they absorbed but probably not that major an issue.
Great deal for Lincecum though. He’s now easily guaranteed himself enough money to set himself up for a lifetime. That frees him to hit the market unencumbered and look to maximize his overall earning potential.
Lincecum and his dad have talked for a long time about how much they believe in his mechanics and how those mechanics protect him from injury.
That may or may not be true – this could be good fortune or genetics – but they certainly put their money where their mouths were so to speak by going year to year in the arbitration process. They were willing to take the risk and maximized how much me could make while SF had “control” of him.
Stark contrast to say Matt Moore and the Rays. What a deal for them. Even if Moore has 1-2 good years the deal will almost pay for itself.
jerkface – Because right now the Yanks DH vs RHP is going to suck and the Yankees should never punt a lineup spot.
They aren’t punting it, and they aren’t paying it $15mil either. Best of both worlds.
They aren’t punting it, and they aren’t paying it $15mil either.
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Right now DH is punted vs RHP.
no it isn’t. it’s not “punted” until the offseason is over pal.
rome wasn’t built in a day.
REGARDLESS jerkface, Fielder’s signing doesn’t make the Yankee’s signing a DH thta can hit RHP any more important. I’m not debating the DH spot with you all freakin’ season.
no it isn’t. it’s not “punted” until the offseason is over pal.
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Uh you just asked ‘Why’ when someone said the Yankees need to go get a DH? And now you’re saying the position isnt punted because they are going to go get a DH???? You’re not making sense. Until Cashman does something for DH vs RHP its a blackhole. I think he will do something, eventually. But you’re the one that asked ‘Why does Cashman need to get a DH’?
Maybe you shouldn’t try to jump into every single conversation?
Miggy and Prince back to back??
Holy sh*t. That’s Manny-Ortiz level.
Maybe you shouldn’t post on a public blog comment section?
no it isn’t. it’s not “punted” until the offseason is over pal.
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That’s why he said RIGHT NOW DH is punted vs RHP.
Right now we have Andruw Jones DHing vs RHP. That is punting it
I would like to know the details of Prince/Tiger’s deal, opt-out and NTC.
2011 OPS +
Tigers: 110
Yankees: 106
Great patrick, wasn’t talking to him or about “right now” SO moving on…
Holy sh*t. That’s Manny-Ortiz level.
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And the great thing is.. Fielder will be 28 this year. Cabrera will be 29.
Going to be nasty for awhile
Why would the Tigers sign Prince just to trade the best hitter in baseball a year later?
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I agree…..the Tigers are going for it clearly while they have Verlander and Cabrera in their primes. That team is gonna be really good short term…..I didn’t want Prince to wind up in Texas……with regards to being an obstacle for the Yanks reaching the WS this is almost as bad…..
Great patrick, wasn’t talking to him or about “right now” SO moving on…
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Lol what yes you were
Why would the Tigers sign Prince just to trade the best hitter in baseball a year later?
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They woudln’t, that’s not going to happen.
Great patrick, wasn’t talking to him or about “right now” SO moving on…
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Captain Clutch said the Yankees need to go sign a DH because the rest of the AL is tough. You asked Why? I said because the position is bad right now (which is true). Then you said but it wont be bad forever because they’ll sign a DH! Thus proving how you tripped over your own feet. You werent even having a conversation, you replied with 1 word to part of a statement Captain Clutch said which wasnt even directed to you!
I see what you’re up to, sneak-thief.
“Why would the Tigers sign Prince just to trade the best hitter in baseball a year later?”
Yea im not sure they are planning on trading Cabrera……I doubt they are any time soon.
the team that won the world series didn’t have a lineup as good as the top 4/5 american league teams.
it comes down to who’s getting the big hits at the time.
cano + tex + arod underperformed in our series. it’s on them to step up. we are paying them to be the offensive stars.
patrick -no, actually… i was responding to captain clutch above, and jerkface decided to rehash his DH nonsense gain… like I forgot since yesterday.
nice reading comprehension. amybe if the two of you weren’t trying to be so quick to jump on people, you’d be able to follow this.
Both fake insiders were wrong this time…..neither Scott Swaim or incarcerated Bob guessed right
Until the Yankees sign a DH or backup for Arod who can hit better than Nunez, they are punting the DH since if Arod or Jeter DH’s, Nunez starts and the lineup suffers.
I love Nunez, but if the plan is to play him 500 at bats and give Arod and Jeter tons of DH time against RHP we’re in trouble unless Texeira and Swisher have some kind of offensive awakening against RHP.
They need a big stick to face RHP in the DH spot.
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I actually had Jorge as the best option against righties. I’d probably take Damon if it has to be one of them. Maybe Erica would come back? But you can see why Cash is talking about a trade to fill that spot.
patrick -no, actually… i was responding to captain clutch above, and jerkface decided to rehash his DH nonsense gain… like I forgot since yesterday.
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But the points are all valid and you are weakly trying to dodge it while also asserting that the Yankees WILL improve the DH by the end of the offseason? You messed up, its ok.
For the record, fake Peter Gammons is never wrong.
jerkface – I’m not trying to weakly dodge anything, we’ve gone over this for a solid week now. I see no reason to go over it again today.
Did you think Captain Clutch said the Yankees need a DH for no reason because its perfectly fine vs RHP at the moment? Doubt it!
We’re not talking about week old arguments, we’re talking about what you said right now and why it is funny that you’ve tried to argue 2 things at once while maintaining snark even though you’re clearly wrong.
jerkface – the points are hardly valid. If Andruw Jones bats .247/.356/.495 as the DH… the Yankee offense will live. I simply don’t care that you feel the need to overspend on every position in the lineup.
Better to see Fielder go to Detroit than Texas, but with their pitching and that 1-2 punch, that Tigers team is going to be a force. Why couldn’t he give it a go with those losers in DC?
. If Andruw Jones bats .247/.356/.495 as the DH
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Cool you’ve posted his platoon line! This includes 76 PA vs RHB, we both know he would not hit this as the full time DH so please, continue back peddling.
If Tex and Arod continue to decline the lineup isn’t going to be a strength. Granderson and Cano are going to be asked to do too much just like last year. The lineup is still good but not like it used to be. Hopefully Cashman is working on something instead of continuing to say it’s a strength and making it seem like losing Montero isn’t a big deal.
The Tigers are going to generate huge marginal advantage from that DH spot. The only player remotely close to his production at the DH spot was Ortiz.
Day in and out the tigers will have a major advantage over every team they play for the entirety of the season.
The deal will work out badly long term. Everyone knows that. Illitch knows that.
But for the next 3-4 seasons – they are going to be unpitchable through that middle of the order.
And I don’t think they are going to trade Cabrera. There’s almost no way to find a bat like that anymore. They’ll just punt defense and do what most businesses do – make the best of an imperfect situation and the resources they have at hand.
It’s hard to find truly elite bats in the game. Detroit now has two of them.
jerkface – we both know he’s not going to hit vs RHP at all so what on earth are you talking about? did you forget to take your pills today? Jones LHP splits along with RHP splits from A-Rod/Teixeira/whoever will be PERFECTLY FINE as the DH.
Spending any major resources on that menial position is a waste of time.
“For the record, fake Peter Gammons is never wrong.”
I notice fake Gammons is being featured on the It Is High…. blog.
That’s hot.
jerkface – we both know he’s not going to hit vs RHP at all so what on earth are you talking about? did you forget to take your pills today? Jones LHP splits along with RHP splits from A-Rod/Teixeira/whoever will be PERFECTLY FINE as the DH.
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No it won’t because your inclusion of A-rod/Tex/whoever ISN’T the problem. Its the extra 400 PA you’re giving to Eduordo Nunez! Right now Nunez is the DH vs RHP. That needs to change. And you have said yourself that the offseason isnt over and they will probably get a LHB, WHICH WAS THE POINT.
jerkface – Nunez is not getting 400PA as the DH, guess again.
I would take Damon, Matsui or Vlad at DH at this point. They all lengthen the lineup in their own ways.
The only plus with Damon is you can throw him out in the field if need be. Just pray he doesn’t have to make a game saving throw.
If Cashman’s plan is to trade AJ for a DH then we’re looking at 5 players; Carlos Lee, Adam Dunn, Alex Rios, Jason Bay and Soriano.
Don’t see Lee happening as the Astros and AJ won’t want one another.
I can see AJ going to the White Sox for Dunn if Ventura can convince AJ to come there. Don’t think the Yankees would take on Rios or Alfonso Soriano.
As for Jason Bay I would do it if he waived the plate appearance option year kicking in thing Omar gave him. Doubt he would do that though since if the Mets play him and he’s healthy he’ll get that option on his own.
If DH is about moving AJ, maybe Dunn is the guy.
I don’t see them trading Nova or Hughes for a DH bat.
jerkface – Nunez is not getting 400PA as the DH, guess again.
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Oh ok so who is DHing vs RHP right now?
Jeers, is that true? I didn’t even know. Someone wrote me claiming on behalf of the real Gammons and asked me to stop so I knew I was getting under people’s skin.
G. Love,
Interesting take. But I do see either Hughes or AJ being moved.
Be thankful that Detroit is in the Central Division. A few regular season series playing the Tigers is enough. The postseason ? Assuming they get there, the Yankees will deal with it then.
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Young Prince Fielder
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jerkface – vazquez? laird? A-rod? One of those Cubans? I have no idea, because the offseason isn’t over on January 24th and we have no idea what kids have progressed that may be able to take on the role or what the team has actually planned to begin with.
Why would you assume Nunez is going to be the DH vs RHP? The only reason Nunez is on the 25 man roster is because he backs up SS and 3B and he wasn’t supposed to be a defensive embarrassment like he was last year. There isn’t a single bat at AAA that could hit RHP better than Nunez? I find that hard to believe.
Detroit signing Fielder and LA signing Pujols didn’t make it any more important for the Yankees to panic and spend money on a DH. It made their pitching staff much more important though.
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#Tigers had Miguel Cabrera get into shape to play third base, just in case, source says. Fielder 1B/DH, Cabrera 1B/3B/DH
Young Prince looks exactly like the fat kid in Hook. Bangerang…
jerkface – vazquez? laird? A-rod? One of those Cubans? I have no idea, because the offseason isn’t over on January 24th and we have no idea what kids have progressed that may be able to take on the role or what the team has actually planned to begin with.
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Laird? He cant even OB over .300 in AAA and is a righty. Vazquez can BARELY OB over .300 in AAA and is a righty. One of the cubans? The 19 year old one or the older RIGHT HANDED one? A-rod? So you mean NUNEZ is the DH there because its not like A-rod can hit at third and DH right?
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heard cabrera is excited to welcome #prince, doesn’t mind moving to 3b. #tigers
Heyman via twitter
“there is no opt out in #prince deal.”
Centipedes can be the Designated Fastball Hitter. Just make sure he’s not in the lineup vs any pitcher that throws a breaking ball.
More good news: “Several reports indicate that the Marlins are committed to outbidding anyone who stands in their way of landing recently defected Cuban star Yoennis Cespedes once the MLB declares him a free agent. It makes sense. Not only would Cespedes be the cherry atop the Marlin’s new talent sundae, but the slugging center fielder’s backstory would also peak interest among locals.”
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jerkface – so it is your belief… your statement right now that there is not a single batter in AAA for the Yankees that can’t manage better than a .320 OBP vs RHP in the majors?
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Yes. You’re in the 2 spot right under Fake Sterling.
A cease & desist from old greytooth himself would be like a HOF induction. Keep up the great work!
The Tigers signing Prince eliminates them for Damon. The Rays are also likely out. He is looking like the best option of the free agents to me. Damon and Chavez.
your statement right now that there is not a single batter in AAA for the Yankees that can’t manage better than a .320 OBP vs RHP in the majors?
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Yup. Certainly not to open the season. We have no one in AAA that is going to be an average or above average major league hitter vs right handed pitching in 2012. Look at the roster. Everyone is terrible AND right handed.
Irreverent Discourse January 24th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Young Prince looks exactly like the fat kid in Hook. Bangerang…
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Did you know the pirate in Hook that was sent to the Boo-Box was played by Glenn Close? Facts people. I’m hitting you with them.
Yet another reason why trading Montero was baseball-goofy.
jerkface – so it is your belief… your statement right now that there is not a single batter in AAA for the Yankees that can’t manage better than a .320 OBP vs RHP in the majors?
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Who do you think could that?
Tigers had Miguel Cabrera get into shape to play third base, just in case, source says.
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How does that work?
“Hey, you better get into shape cause we’re signing someone even fatter than you”
Agree, no one in AAA will OBP .320+. So that means we have to go out and get a bat by trading elite prospects again because we just traded away our elite hitting DH.
Do we know that Cespedes recent hitting has only been vs. fastballs?
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Blue Jays and Francisco Cordero have agreed to a one-year, $4.5 million contract, pending a physical.
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Great job by Yankee brass giving Rafael Soriano a 3 year $39 million deal last year!
These are the 2 guys DHing (by this I mean they enter the lineup vs RHP regardless of how the defensive positions are arranged) vs RHP at the moment:
.259 .313 .360 .673
.172 .303 .406 .709
AND NO ONE IN AAA IS GOING TO BEAT THIS. Thats the funny part. And why trading Montero was dumb.
yf
You’d be a better than GM than Cashman. I’m serious.
Rich, so would you.
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At least I know what I don’t know!
I agree with Jerkface that the Yankees do not have anyone–at any level–who could currently have an OBP of.320 in the majors. Sad, but true.
I do believe I would bunt with Cabrera at third.
Irreverent Discourse January 24th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Young Prince looks exactly like the fat kid in Hook. Bangerang?
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OMG, he totally does.
Is Parraz an option? I don’t know squat about him but the numbers and splits look right.
Rich, better to know what you don’t know than to think you know what you don’t know. (I think Yogi said that.
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Where as I think we have 3 pitchers in AAA who could enter the rotation out of spring and be league average or better. Position of strength!
Shame Spencer January 24th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Did you know the pirate in Hook that was sent to the Boo-Box was played by Glenn Close? Facts people. I?m hitting you with them.
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Seriously? That’s awesome. Everytime that movie comes on TV I have to drop everything and watch. It’s addicting. lol
jerkface – 2008 called and said don’t call up your AAA pitchers too early. Not sure if you got that message.
jerkface – 2008 called and said don’t call up your AAA pitchers too early. Not sure if you got that message.
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2012 called and said “lmao look at this idiot that doesnt know that Adam Warren, David Phelps, and DJ Mitchell have thrown like 500 innings each”
Jeers,
If I get a cease and desist from Gammons I will autograph a copy and send it to you.
AJ for Hafner. Make it happen.
ROFL OK…
Warren/Mitchell/Phelps are not ready to be called and are NOT ready to be league average starters. are you for real?
one half of the platoon split for the least important position in your lineup, or a starting pitcher… man that’s such a tough choice.
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It’s hard to find truly elite bats in the game. Detroit now has two of them.
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This can’t be right everyone on here says hitting is easy to obtain.
Rich in NJ January 24th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Yet another reason why trading Montero was baseball-goofy.
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Don’t worry they’ll get him back in 2017-2018
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Delusional fan
Damon against righties – .715 ops – .255 avg
Matsui against righties – .654 ops – .242 avg
Vlad against righties -.743 ops – .291 avg
posada against righties – .814 ops – .269 avg
eric chavez against righties – .687 ops – .255 avg
montero against righties – .877 ops – .216 avg
Nunez against righties – .673 ops – .259 avg.
Damon,matsui,chavez,nunez, are not options at dh.
At least not good ones.