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Girardi: “It won’t be a seven or six-man rotation”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For two days now, Brian Cashman has made it clear that he’s interested in trading away some of his excess pitching to add a bat. He said it during Monday’s conference call, and he said it again during Tuesday’s press conference.

“I think we’re going to look to trade some pitching first,” he said, “and explore if there are some matches that way before we even explore what the free agent opportunities are.”

But what if the Yankees can’t make a trade? What if they can’t find someone to take on A.J. Burnett’s salary, or can’t find legitimate value for Phil Hughes? What if they enter spring training with seven starters for five spots?

“I can tell you it won’t be a seven or six-man rotation,” Joe Girardi said. “It’ll be five. If we were going to leave today, we’d have to make some tough decisions by April. It’s something that we’re going to take time to evaluate. I’m in no hurry. I can tell you that CC is in our rotation, and that he’s going to start the first game of the year. But, in saying that, I’m not sure that everything is done before we go to Spring Training. Right now we’ve got seven starters, and we’re going to have to make some decisions.”

No surprise that Girardi said he expects Michael Pineda and Ivan Nova to be in the rotation, and clearly Hiroki Kuroda wasn’t signed for long relief, but Girardi also talked about pitchers earning their spots.

So what’s the rotation going to be?

“Who we think our best five starters are, and how our 12 man staff works the best,” Girardi said.

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106 Responses to “Girardi: “It won’t be a seven or six-man rotation””

  1. Hassey January 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Will Pineda eventually be our next closer?

  2. Chip January 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    I take Derrek Lee over Ike Davis.
    —————-

    As far as I’m aware D-Lee is unsigned so that’s moot.

  3. Chip January 25th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    I don’t believe he’ll be able to find a taker for AJ. I don’t think you want to trade Hughes with his value in the pooper.

    My suggestion – and I know Cashman and Girardi are dying to hear it – is trade Soriano, maybe kick in a prospect like Phelps for Carlos Lee.

    As I said on the last thread – Yankees would end up taking back $7 mil (maybe less if the Astros are willing to eat some contract) and it opens up a spot in the pen for Hughes. Would I rather have Hughes in the rotation over AJ? Absolutely. But I don’t think the Yankees are going to have two long relievers in the pen (Garcia being the other) and Hughes has had success in short relief, an area where I wouldn’t trust AJ.

    The only positive to putting Burnett in a short relief role would be that he could just air it out for an inning and probably get himself up throwing in the high 90s.

    As for it being a meritocracy – I’ll believe it when I see it.

  4. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    There is no strategic reason to say he won’t use a six-man rotation at this point. It reduces their leverage in making a trade. He needs to be muzzled.

  5. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    We can quibble over some players, but when you rule out Pujols, your merely arguing to argue.

    Sorry bro, but Pujols even with all his MVP glory never carried a terrible team into the playoffs by himself. Its easy to check because we have all the information with us. You can’t say Votto is not a back-carrier then say Pujols was when Pujols only went to the playoffs/ws when he had Edmonds/Rolen or Holliday or Carpenter/Wainwright

  6. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    If the Yankees put Hughes in the bullpen next season how will that impact his trade value?

  7. kd January 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    i think aj could do well in the pen. his stuff could be pretty nasty for an inning or two.

    look, the guy’s probably not getting another big contract. maybe won’t start again. make him the long guy/ spot starter and let it fly.

    tough for garcia, but he knew the risks before he signed.

    also, 5 starters never get you through a season. typically 7 or 8 are used. the yankees seem to be covered for pitching in the winter. something a lot of people on this board have clamored for in years past.

  8. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    - CHIP -
    So I guess if Lee signs with a NL team, he jumps to the head of the class?

    Anybody else think Nova looks like he is gonna deck Girardi in that picture above?????

  9. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    derrek lee last 2 years: .263 .337 .436 .773
    ike davis: .302 .383 .543 .925

    One is 10 years younger, but yea give me the back scratcher derrek lee!!

  10. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    LGY January 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    If the Yankees put Hughes in the bullpen next season how will that impact his trade value?

    ————————-

    destroy it unless Mo goes down(let’s hope not) and Phil puts up historic numbers as a closer.

  11. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    There is no strategic reason to say he won’t use a six-man rotation at this point. It reduces their leverage in making a trade. He needs to be muzzled

    =============================

    I think teams know that anyway. Not saying it isn’t going to make AJ Burnett more appealing or cause teams to ignore Hughes’ injury history or less than stellar numbers as a starter.

    On the other hand, all 6 or 7 guys know they need to come in ready to be hitting on all cylanders. Nothing wrong with some healthy competition. And this year, it would be a real competition rather than the sham competitions of year’s past.

  12. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    For power rankings, I’d go: 1. Rays, 2. Yankees, 3. PHI, 4. Texas, 5. Detroit, 6. Arizona. You?

    How does this make sense? (Its Buster Olney’s power rankings right now)

  13. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    - Jerky –
    So Now it’s carry a “terrible” team? Pujols has done the job.

  14. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Interesting the things we talk about in the offseason but this topic is more interesting than most things that have come up today..

    Second best 1B in the NL…. ugh.. with Howard out I guess it’s MIchael Morse or Ike Davis..

    How about, rank the 1B in the AL.

    1. Pujols
    2. Gonzalez
    3. Cabrera
    4. Fielder
    5. Teixeira
    6. Hosmer

    If Tex hits like he did in 2009 I’d bump him up to maybe 2nd on the list.

  15. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    “i think aj could do well in the pen. his stuff could be pretty nasty for an inning or two.”

    I have thought that was always a fallback position when they signed him. A ridiculously expensive reliever, but sunk costs are what they are.

  16. Nick in SF January 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Identifying players who can carry team on their back is going to be crucial under the new CBA, which is why I’m encouraged that the Yankees’ new director of scouting is Sir Mix-A-Lot.

  17. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    For power rankings, I’d go: 1. Rays, 2. Yankees, 3. PHI, 4. Texas, 5. Detroit, 6. Arizona. You?

    How does this make sense? (Its Buster Olney’s power rankings right now)

    Wow that makes zero sense.

    My power rankings would be..

    1. Rangers
    2. Yankees
    3. Rays
    4. Red Sox
    5. Angels
    6. Tigers

  18. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    So Now it’s carry a “terrible” team? Pujols has done the job.

    How else can one be said to carry a team?? Kemp didnt carry the dodgers to any WS even when they made the playoffs. Pujols couldnt carry his team against the Red Sox??? Your arguments dont even make sense. Did I miss something where Fielder won the WS?

    Explain how Pujols carried a team. Kemp carried a team. A-rod carried a team. Fielder carried a team. And then why Votto is not this mythical team carrier, because he is a damn good hitter.

  19. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    TEX losing that Gold Glove has gotta sting him.

  20. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Randy, got those splits for me?

  21. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    - Jerky -
    To me, carrying a team is over 162. You wantta World Championship.

  22. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    My power rankings would be..

    1. Rangers
    2. Yankees
    3. Rays
    4. Red Sox
    5. Angels
    6. Tigers

    Oops forgot NL

    1. Rangers
    2. Yankees
    3. Phillies
    4. Rays
    5. Red Sox

  23. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    If Matt Kemp carried the Dodgers to a rougly .500 record in 2011 that’s not really an endorsement of Kemp is it?

  24. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    So, presumably, this winter may be the best time to trade Hughes if they plan on converting him into a reliever?

  25. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Cash with Mike up next

  26. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    “There is no strategic reason to say he won’t use a six-man rotation at this point. It reduces their leverage in making a trade. He needs to be muzzled.”

    I believe that makes of official.

    I have in fact, heard everything.

  27. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Miggy has taken over the crown as the best hitter in baseball, imo.

    I would put him #1 on the list because of that.

  28. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Nick in SF January 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
    Identifying players who can carry team on their back is going to be crucial under the new CBA, which is why I?m encouraged that the Yankees? new director of scouting is Sir Mix-A-Lot.

    *******************

    :lol:

  29. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    - POWER RANKINGS -

    (1) YANKEES

    (2) ANGELS

    (3) RANGERS

    (4) RAYS

    (5) MARLINS

    (6) TIGERS

    (7) PHILLIES

  30. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Miggy has taken over the crown as the best hitter in baseball, imo.

    I would put him #1 on the list because of that.

    He’s real bad on defense and Pujols is still the best hitter in the league despite a down 2011. I need more than 1 year to proclaim someone better than he is. And Adrian is maybe slightly worse at the plate compared to Cabrera, but a much better fielder.

  31. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    LGY January 25th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    So, presumably, this winter may be the best time to trade Hughes if they plan on converting him into a reliever?

    ———————-

    Yes because you can still sell him as a starter and even though Hughes has been up and down in his career you can always spin it as a guy that needs a change of scenery. Once you put him in the pen other teams aren’t going to give give up a B+ player for a reliever unless he’s very good or great.

  32. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Now I need to add “The Long Walk” to my growing reading list…

    I like the LoHud book club though! We should institute one next off season so we can stop from killing each other over the same opinions we’ve expressed ad nauseum.

  33. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Boston – Bottom of 1st SCORE
    Michael Pineda pitching for Seattle SEA BOS
    J Ellsbury doubled to shallow right. 2 0
    J Ellsbury to third on wild pitch by M Pineda. 2 0
    D Pedroia flied out to center. 2 0
    A Gonzalez singled to center, J Ellsbury scored. 2 1
    K Youkilis homered to left (396 feet), A Gonzalez scored. 2 3
    D Ortiz singled to deep left. 2 3
    C Crawford doubled to deep left, D Ortiz to third. 2 3
    J Reddick struck out swinging. 2 3
    J Saltalamacchia singled to right, D Ortiz and C Crawford scored. 2 5
    M Scutaro grounded out to second. 2 5
    5 Runs, 6 Hits, 0 Errors

  34. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    To me, carrying a team is over 162. You wantta World Championship.

    Pujols didnt make the playoffs without Holliday or another .900 OPS bat around him. They missed the playoffs in 07,08,2010. How is that carrying a team?? THey had pujols didnt they?

    You bring nothing to the table except made up words.

  35. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    “I believe that makes of official.”

    Make the counterargument.

  36. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Patrick

    Miggy was a better hitter than Pujols in 2010, as well.

    Also, I think slight really understates the difference between AGon’s and Miggy’s bat. I think the difference is significant.

  37. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    He has the Rays at #1?

  38. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    “made up words”??? And I get ragged for butchering the English language? We just disagree here. Pujols ISSA team carrier.

  39. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Gonzalez is obviously a star, but I woulda kept Beltran and let Ukilis stay at 1B.

  40. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    I like the LoHud book club though! We should institute one next off season so we can stop from killing each other over the same opinions we?ve expressed ad nauseum.

    ***********************

    Definitely. lol

  41. Hassey January 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    what are the power rankings for posters on this site? Who has sagged and who has risen?

  42. comet January 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Hi Erin, Randy I, GB7, Shame, and Kate if she is still around.

    Face who is Ike Davis?

  43. jacksquat January 25th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    I wouldn’t get too excited by what Cashman says. He could be talking about trading for a DH bat just to get prices down on the free agent DH bats. Or he could trade Betances. We just can’t tell.

  44. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Jorge had a lot of “back”

    My wife had an uncanny ability to identify him from that feature only.

  45. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Hi Comet! :)

  46. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    “Pitching is the bugaboo here” Cashman

    Yes, he said bugaboo.

  47. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Whats up comet! (I’ll still never forget how special I felt the first time I got included in the general comet hello!)

    Erin – I’ve never been in a book club before… sort of surprising considering my general nerd behavior.

  48. pat January 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    JimBowdenESPNxmJIM BOWDEN
    Red Sox have made offers for Edwin Jackson and are presently in discussions with him and prefer him over Roy Oswalt according to source

  49. champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    reposts

    champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
    dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    The Fielder contract does help Ellsbury from the standpoint of his being able to secure a deal length of 9-10 years

    ============================

    No it doesn’t. Fielder has a lengthy history of production at the highest level. Ellsbury has one outstanding season. Fielder, despite being a walking condo, doesn’t miss games. He’s averaged 160 games played per season the past 6 seasons. Ellsbury has proven a little more fragile.

    Ellsbury has 2 seasons before hitting FA. If they are similar to 2011, then he’s in the conversation for one of these mega deals we’re seeing. Until then? Probably not so much.

    _______________________________________________________________

    While that is reasonable thinking that’s just obviously not the way the FA baseball marketplace operates.

    If you don’t believe me ask Jayson Werth….

    champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    NL 1B rankings ( imo )

    Votto
    Howard- assuming health
    Ike Davis
    Morse
    Freeman
    Berkman- age
    Yonder Alonso
    Carlos Lee
    Goldschmidt
    Matt Gamel
    Anthony Rizzo
    Derek Lee
    Loney

    scary how thin this position is in the NL right now…

    ?

  50. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Hi Comet!

    Shame
    I don’t picture you as a nerd. I picture you w/ spiky blonde hair, wearing purple, and challenging people under the O’Neill banner :)

  51. exiledintampa January 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    So Kuroda gets announced today. Finally.

  52. UnKnown January 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Funny how Mike F. says now that we have all learned through the years that you can’t have too much pitching, however, he said in the summer of 2010 that acquiring Lee would have been overkill.

    Seems to have changed his tune.

  53. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Shame-same here. lol :)

  54. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    I like the LoHud book club though!

    ——————————————–

    I say we start with ” Breakfast at Tiffanys ” :wink:

  55. pat January 25th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Banuelos has 34 AAA innings, Betances has 21 AAA innings. They need “more cooking”.

  56. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “Make the counterargument.”

    Like both you and I both well know, rival baseball front offices know that the Yankees are not going to utilize a 6 man rotation no matter what the manager or the front office say.

    You’re absurdly criticizing Girardi for not trying to convince the rest of baseball there is indeed, a tooth fairy.

  57. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    UnKnown January 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Funny how Mike F. says now that we have all learned through the years that you can’t have too much pitching, however, he said in the summer of 2010 that acquiring Lee would have been overkill.

    Seems to have changed his tune.

    ——————

    He does that from time to time. He’s the same person that says “Yankees don’t need an all-star at every position” but yet he’s the same guy that campaigned for Abreu, Santana, Beltran and Johnson.

  58. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    You’re absurdly criticizing Girardi for not trying to convince the rest of baseball there is indeed, a tooth fairy

    ——-

    Disingenuous to make this claim when Girardi used a 6 man rotation for a large part of last season.

  59. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    I like the LoHud book club though!

    ???????????????

    I say we start with ? Breakfast at Tiffanys ?

    ********************

    :lol:

  60. champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Rankings

    1- Yanks
    2- Rangers
    3- Rays
    4- Tigers
    5- Phils
    6- DBacks
    7- Nats- sleeper alert!
    8- RedSox

  61. pat January 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Cashman: The number of “behemoth” contracts currently on the books- CC, Alex, Tex, Jeter, Mo, AJ and to a lesser degree Cano, Grandy and Swish makes (to quote Gene Michael) “accumulating nuggets to sift through” necessary.

  62. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    “Yes, he said bugaboo.”

    maybe he got a free thesaurus with his baseball prospectus 2112 edition

    wait until he gets to the w’s

    “woopty- do” will come in handy at some point for brian though not as useful as “woopty f—ing doo” when someone is running their mouth about montero next summer emerging as mlb’s next superstar.

  63. champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    forgot the Angels…slot them behind rays and ahead of Tigers and drop everybody down a slot

  64. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    I’ve gone far too long without a seinfeld ref.

    My apologies. :smile:

  65. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    LGY, gimme the dates, when the Yankees utilized a genuine 6 man rotation.

  66. Phranchise January 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    For this year and the future this spot has to be Hughes spot to lose. Garcia is a one year and can always be long relief the way he throws. AJ is the odd man out here. The problem is he is probably most tradeable at the deadline for someone desperate to make a push into the playoffs. Would the Marlins bring him back after the way he left? They might be that close and they are spending money left and right.

  67. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Randy, you can gimme those splits any time now…

  68. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    stuckey-

    you mean the ones you are too lazy to look up.

  69. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Bronx Jeers- you never have to apologize for a Seinfeld reference. Ever. ;)

  70. comet January 25th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Shame, Erin Kate and I go to spring training every year as a group. Want to join us? Ladies we should start making our plans now.

    BTW anyone have some ideas who the Yankees are looking to pick up in a trade of surplus pitching?

  71. champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    The Freddy Garcia signing seems like such a waste of $ given the way things have shaken out since that deal.

    The 5 man should be CC, Pineda, Nova, Kuroda, Hughes and AJ should be traded in spring training assuming everyone makes it to April healthy.

    I can’t see Freddie agreeing to be the 6th starter/long man in the ‘pen but that might be where he ends up.

  72. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    LGY, gimme the dates, when the Yankees utilized a genuine 6 man rotation.

    ——–

    IIRC from the middle of August through the end of the season but I’m on my phone and don’t feel like sorting through the dates.

    FYI, the stats you are asking for from randy are impossible to find. Have to calculated it on your own to get them.

  73. JM January 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    I apologize if this has been posted already, but here is Gammons (!) making the case that Posada belongs in the HOF:

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

  74. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    “you mean the ones you are too lazy to look up.”

    No, sorry i wasn’t clear.

    The ones you referenced without having ever seen them and how no idea where to find.

    Those…

  75. Chip January 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    LGY January 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    If the Yankees put Hughes in the bullpen next season how will that impact his trade value?
    ————-

    Unless he reinvents himself as a dominant reliver it destroys it. But what do you believe the Yankees could get back for Hughes right now anyway.

    His greatest value to the team is as a starting pitcher. Second greatest is in the pen. Trade bait finishes a distant third.

  76. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    “FYI, the stats you are asking for from randy are impossible to find.”

    I’m aware of that.

    Randy thought it was okay to reference something he’s never actually seen in support of his argument anyway.

  77. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    “Like both you and I both well know, rival baseball front offices know that the Yankees are not going to utilize a 6 man rotation no matter what the manager or the front office say.”

    But they could, it has been done before. I don’t see how taking off the table provides a benefit.

    “You’re absurdly criticizing Girardi for not trying to convince the rest of baseball there is indeed, a tooth fairy.”

    No one has ever seen a tooth fairy (unless you have). People have seen six man rotations.

    You’re too funny.

  78. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    When are we leaving Comet?

  79. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Hi Comet!

    Shame
    I don’t picture you as a nerd. I picture you w/ spiky blonde hair, wearing purple, and challenging people under the O’Neill banner :)
    —————

    Kate – I look nothing like that but might change my style just so I can live out your image of me!!! I love challenging people under the Paul O’neill banner!

    comet – Are you guys serious?! I would SO be down for that trip!!

  80. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    “Randy thought it was okay to reference something he’s never actually seen in support of his argument anyway.”

    you mean in support of your argument.

  81. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    “But they could, it has been done before. I don’t see how taking off the table provides a benefit.”

    Yes or no question.

    If Joe Girardi announced today the Yankees are going to begin 2012 with a 6 man starting rotation, would you believe it?

  82. comet January 25th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Little Larry and Gina are only 10 years old, but they know they are in love.
    One day they decide that they want to get married, so Larry goes to Gina’s
    father to ask him for her hand.

    Larry bravely walks up to him and says, “Mr. Smith, me and Gina are in love
    and I want to ask you for her hand in marriage.”

    Thinking that this was just the cutest thing,

    Mr. Smith replies,
    “Well Larry, you are only 10.. Where will you two live?”

    Without even taking a moment to think about it, Larry replies,
    “In Gina’s room. It’s bigger than mine and we can both fit there nicely.”

    Still thinking this is just adorable,

    Mr. Smith says with a huge grin, “Okay, then how will you live? You’re not
    old enough to get a job. You’ll need to support Gina.”

    Again,Larry instantly replies, “Our allowance, Gina makes five bucks a week
    and I make 10 bucks a week. That’s about 60 bucks a month, so that should
    do us just fine.”

    Mr. Smith is impressed

    Larry has put so much thought into this.

    “Well Larry, it seems like you have everything figured out.

    I just have one more question. What will you do if the two of you should have
    little children of your own?”

    Larry just shrugs his shoulders and says,

    “Well, we’ve been lucky so far.”

    Mr. Smith no longer thinks he is adorable..

  83. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    “FYI, the stats you are asking for from randy are impossible to find. Have to calculated it on your own to get them.”

    lgy-

    you’d think there’d be some site where you could put in basic variables to get custom splits.

    nothing like that huh?

  84. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    But they could, it has been done before. I don’t see how taking off the table provides a benefit

    ==================================

    But you see how it hurts? You think anyone’s going to buy Girardi saying we’re going with a six man rotation, under which Sabathia would be slated to make 27 starts instead of his normal 33-34? Teams know that’s not going to happen and that if it does, it’ll be to the detriment of the Yankees.

  85. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    “you mean in support of your argument.”

    My argument was his splits against lefties in 2011 were fine (and in fact very good). I stand behind this position.

    Do you or do you not have splits stats separated by halves that speaks to this argument, as you implied?

  86. Benny Blanco January 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    What’s more likely to happen? Burnett winning 20 games or Pineda developing a serviceable change-up?

  87. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    “What’s more likely to happen? Burnett winning 20 games or Pineda developing a serviceable change-up?”

    Gotta go with Pineda change-up.

    Winning 20 is tough as it is.

    Winning 20 in a 6 man rotation is nearly impossible.

  88. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Benny Blanco January 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    What’s more likely to happen? Burnett winning 20 games or Pineda developing a serviceable change-up?

    ——————–

    Are those the only choices :)

  89. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    I cant magic up true splits but Texas Leaguers offers something so I will now give you it:

    All of 2011 vs lefties
    At-bat Results
    Strikeout 20.61%
    Groundout 17.55%
    Flyout 17.55%
    Single 15.32%
    Walk 6.96%
    Pop Out 6.69%
    Double 3.62%
    Lineout 2.51%
    Home Run 2.23%
    Bunt Groundout 1.11%
    Grounded Into DP 1.11%
    Hit By Pitch 0.84%
    Field Error 0.84%
    Sac Fly 0.56%
    Runner Out 0.56%
    Sac Bunt 0.56%
    Bunt Pop Out 0.56%
    Triple 0.28%
    Fielders Choice Out 0.28%
    Forceout 0.28%

    beginning of season to 6/30
    At-bat Results
    Flyout 22.75%
    Strikeout 20.38%
    Single 13.74%
    Groundout 13.74%
    Walk 8.06%
    Pop Out 6.16%
    Double 3.32%
    Lineout 2.37%
    Hit By Pitch 1.42%
    Bunt Groundout 1.42%
    Home Run 1.42%
    Field Error 0.95%
    Grounded Into DP 0.95%
    Sac Bunt 0.47%
    Triple 0.47%
    Bunt Pop Out 0.47%
    Sac Fly 0.47%
    Fielders Choice Out 0.47%
    Runner Out 0.47%
    Forceout 0.47%

    7/1 to End of Season
    At-bat Results
    Groundout 22.97%
    Strikeout 20.95%
    Single 17.57%
    Flyout 10.14%
    Pop Out 7.43%
    Walk 5.41%
    Double 4.05%
    Home Run 3.38%
    Lineout 2.70%
    Grounded Into DP 1.35%
    Sac Fly 0.68%
    Bunt Groundout 0.68%
    Sac Bunt 0.68%
    Runner Out 0.68%
    Field Error 0.68%
    Bunt Pop Out 0.68%

  90. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Seems to me that Pineda was better or stayed the same vs lefties in the 2nd half.

  91. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    “Do you or do you not have splits stats separated by halves that speaks to this argument, as you implied?”

    your implier discernment chip might need to be replaced.

    try banging your head on your desk a few times first though.

  92. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    bernie pumping up willie randolph on francessa along with mattingly. i think alot of people these days don’t count willie among the true yankees rolling around out there, but they don’t come much more true yankee than willie!

  93. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    “If Joe Girardi announced today the Yankees are going to begin 2012 with a 6 man starting rotation, would you believe it?”

    Yes, because:

    1) Hughes’ career is at a crossroads, especially with the Yankees, so it is credible that the Yankees might go to unusual lengths to give him what could be a last chance as a starter in NY.

    2) It’s also credible that they would go to unusual lengths with AJ due to his goofy contract.

    3) It has been reported that Garcia got some assurances of being in the rotation and took less to come back, and it is known he often struggles in the spring, if there is a competition to win. So again, there is a reasonable basis to envision the Yankees doing something to let him start the season in the rotation, especially coming off of a very good season.

  94. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Boston’s interest in Jackson and their signing of Ross sure says the Red Sox are going over their budget projection. Let’s hope the Yankees do the same if it improves what they will consider in a trade.

    Randy would say discovery life on another planet this year is more likely than Pineda developing a change.

  95. SG January 25th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Pineda vs. LHP in the first half: .201/.273/.292 in 232 PA, 7.8% BB/BF, 20.7% K/BF
    Pineda vs. LHP in the second half: .302/.339/.474 in 125 PA, 5.6% BB/BF, 20.8% K/BF

  96. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    cashman sounded pretty sure he’s going to pull off a trade that brings back a LH hitter.

  97. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Rick,

    Okay, I think it’s absurd to think the NY Yankees are going to knowingly design a rotation to have Sabathia, Kuroda and Nova make 5 to 6 less starts (ideally) than they would have otherwise.

    But if you claim to genuinely believe they might, then I accept that.

    Still think it’s absurd, mind you, but I believe you believe it and your comments from coming from that POV.

  98. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Ys,

    For we out-of-towners, what did he say?

  99. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Seems to me that Pineda was better or stayed the same vs lefties in the 2nd half.
    ===================================

    Homer rate more than doubled in the 2nd half. 20% increse in double rate. 30% increase in single rate. Nothing unusual there though. Young guys tend to get hit more as the season goes on.

    Puzzling to me is the 1st half ground out rates and fly out rates compared to those in the 2nd half.

  100. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    SG,

    Where did you get those splits?

  101. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    ” they don’t come much more true yankee than willie!”

    i better agree with something from you while i have the chance. willie was one of my favorite yankees.

    i had the opportunity to walk to fenway with willie and my friend carl taylor and willie told some of the funniest mickey rivers stories i have ever heard. can’t repeat them here, but one of them involved mickey rivers’ wife playing demolition derby with mickey in his car and her in hers outside the players parking area one day when mickey hadn’t gone home the night before. she totaled both cars.

    now that was an interesting trade with getting willie in the first place.

    off the top of my head wasn’t that for doc medich?

    yankees traded pitching for offense?

    interesting.

  102. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    :arrow:

    bernie was remembering when posada came up to ST and then went back to when he came up and DM and WR showed him how to be a yankee and a pro.

    cashman said he told the agents for all the dh’s who contacted him about the dh job that they should go about getting their guys signed and not wait on him and if he can’t find something through a trade, he’ll come back to whoever’s still on ‘the list’

  103. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    After all the controversy with the six man rotation last season and how CC pitched during it, I doubt anybody was surprise by Girardi’s comment.

  104. SG January 25th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Where did you get those splits?

    You can use David Pinto’s day by day database to generate splits over specific time ranges.

    http://www.baseballmusings.com.....atabase.py

  105. willwill January 25th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    I know phil hughes doesn’t respond or even talk baseball on his twitter, but i called him out. I hope i lit a fire under his a$$!!

  106. igotid88 January 25th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    I hope Hughes is on the Yankees starting rotation this year, and next, and so on. If the Tigers can give Prince that contract without many bidders. Some team can take AJ’s contract. It’s not like it’s a 7 year deal.

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