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Pinch hitting: Bryan Van Dusen

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Our next Pinch Hitter is Bryan Van Dusen, who was born in upstate New York a little past midnight on the night the Yankees won the 1977 World Series. “I’m sure my father resents me to some degree for missing the game due to my mother being in labor,” he wrote. Bryan now lives in Columbus, Ohio and says he gets “disgusted” looks when he wears his Yankees gear around town. He recently co-founded a Yankees blog called The Greedy Pinstripes.

For his guest post, Bryan looked back at his feelings at the beginning of this offseason, then he wrote about why he’s glad the Yankees didn’t settle on the strategy he initially wanted.

When C.J. Wilson was signed by the Angels, that was okay with me. When I found out how much Texas paid to negotiate with Yu Darvish, I was happy the Yankees weren’t as aggressive. I would have liked Mark Buehrle in pinstripes, but four years is a bit long for a guy about to enter his age 33 season, so again, no problem. As for trading for guys like Gio Gonzalez or Mat Latos? The Yankees could win in 2012 without them, so why deal away good/great prospects?

You see, I wanted the Yankees to be in position to go after one of the many good/great pitchers that could be free agents after the 2012 season; starters such as Cole Hamels, Matt Cain and Zack Greinke.

But there was, and is, a major problem with that thinking: Hamels, Cain, and Greinke may not be available to the Yankees, or anybody else, after the season.

Cain is about to enter his age 27 season, so it’s not like the Giants should be concerned about giving him an extension due to age. I could see Milwaukee wanting to bring back either Greinke or Shaun Marcum – or both — to go along with Yovani Gallardo. Although I don’t buy into all the talk that Hamels will eventually sign an extension, it’s certainly not because he isn’t worth it. The Marlins might also want to extend Anibal Sanchez, and guys like Gavin Floyd, Dan Haren, Tim Hudson, and James Shields all have club options for 2013 that will likely be picked up.

Overall, there’s a decent chance that not one good/great pitcher will reach free agency after the 2012 season. For all those people pointing at CC Sabathia and saying, “we spent money on CC instead of trading for him, let’s do that again,” we’re in a different era, and we may not have that choice. Trading for somebody could very well be the best route to take, and doing so now may not be a bad idea at all.

Which brings us to January 13th, a day Yankees fans may never forget.

Jesus Montero could very well be a stud in the big leagues. In 61 MLB at bats last season he put up a triple-slash of .368/.406/.590, and it was all but certain he would be the team’s regular DH for 2012, and I was okay with that. But it’s not ideal to have a 22-year-old, full-time DH on a team that might need that spot for A-Rod, Jeter and possibly Teixeira sometime down the road. They say that when it comes to a talent like Montero, you find a spot for the guy, and the Yankees were doing exactly that. But it doesn’t mean it was a good spot, so if there was a way to improve the situation … go for it.

That’s exactly what Brian Cashman did.

Michael Pineda had an ERA last season of 3.74, which was 22nd among all qualified American League starters. His FIP of 3.42 was tied with James Shields for 11th. His K/9 of 9.11 was 2nd. Pineda could easily be a team’s No. 1 starter. Pair him with a guy named CC, and outside of Philadelphia I don’t think you’ll find a better 1-2 punch in all of baseball. Oh, and I should point out that Michael is only 23, and is under team control for another 5 years.

Can the offense survive without Montero? Yeah, something tells me they’ll be okay there. After all, they scored the second most runs in all of MLB last year, and did most of that without Montero, not to mention that A-Rod only played in 99 games and Teixiera had his worst offensive season since his rookie year.

So I’m happy about the trade. I’m also happy about signing Hiroki Kuroda for only one year at $10 million. I won’t get that much into why I’m pleased with the Kuroda signing, let’s just say that according to Fangraphs, Hiroki has been worth $13.225 million per season since he joined MLB. I believe his numbers will get a bit worse in the AL, but $10 million for only one season as the team’s No. 3 starter sounds just fine.

Waiting for next year’s free agent market might have seemed like a good strategy, but free agency is no sure thing, and the Yankees were right to strike when they had the opportunity.

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163 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Bryan Van Dusen”

  1. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    i like the post. of course i like the trade, too. i think you’re going to catch it hard from the commenters. don’t take it personally…

  2. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Phranchise January 24th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    I just saw this, Kim Jones is gone?
    ——————–

    Wait… what??

  3. GreenBeret7 January 25th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Jones gone? That will incease the viewership on YES.

  4. blake January 25th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I love the getting Pineda part……I just didn’t like trading the Montero part and think the Yanks could have upgrading the rotation in other ways …..Darvish….wait out Theo on Garza etc……however its over and done with and now we get to wait and see if it was a good move or not.

    I do think Cash needs to try and add a young bat to somewhat replace the loss of Montero…..he does that and the move begins to make more sense to me……I still may not like it…..but coukd understand it more.

  5. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Dogface

    Well, he wasn’t really all that special for the last 2/3 of the ’10 season. Other thing is everything anyone says about him seems to have to come with the qualifier “if healthy he can….”. For example, If healthy, maybe he can pitch 180 innings in a season, something he’s done exactly zero times in his professional career. He’s only hit 140 innings twice. He has a 4.90 ERA in his career as a starter, averaged a little under 5.5 innings per start and has a QS percentage of 44%. Teams trading for him might be aware of these numbers.
    ———————————————————

    That’s a good point Dogface. I think we as fans still look at Hughes as the phenom that had all the tools to be the ace of the staff. Yes he’s not old but he isn’t perceived the same way as he was yrs ago.

  6. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Yeah, I saw that last night on Twitter about Kim. Something like her contract was up and she wants to explore other opportunites.

  7. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    “Thar was a heavy workload for Martin in april…23 of 24 games over 30 days. That would beat down most any catcher. How about waiting to see how he does in 2012. Let’s give him one game before running him out of yown.”,

    …well if ‘the second coming’ was able to catch after already spending a full season at aaa, we wouldn’t have had that problem…

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Happy the big name FAs have taken up with other teams – meaning I didn’t think the Yankees needed Prince Fielder.

    Is Johnny Damon still out there?

  9. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    YES wanted kim back but she declined. newsday speculated that she wants to get in with the nfl network. she’s much more into football .

  10. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    As far as the relative value of a regular vs. a starter, a regular bats four times a game typically. A good starter probably pitches to 25-30 batters per game. Therefore, over the course of every five games, the hitter has less plate appearances than the batters the pitchers face. Isn’t that more value?

    The continued complainers about the trade have now moved into troll category. WCYF would enjoy your contiued, unrelenting, repetitive and unsubstantiated whining.

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    About Kim Jones – it will be a breath of fresh air if her replacement asks intelligent questions on the postgame interviews. Her color work was fluff stuff, but that works for color comentary. But her postgame questions were more-often-than-not dreadful and embarrassing.

    See ya Kim! Good luck wherever you end up.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    “YES wanted kim back but she declined. newsday speculated that she wants to get in with the nfl network. she’s much more into football.”

    Tim Tebow perhaps? Now that it appears Derek is back with Minka, Kim probably realized that it never was going to happen with her and Derek.

    :)

  13. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    I am guessing that most of us were not in favor of this trade (excluding Ys!!!) but it happened. Might as well look for the bright side, which is the Yankees picked up a potentially vey good pitcher.

  14. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    I wonder if Kim was instructed what to ask. I have seen her do some football analyst work, and she is much better at it.

  15. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    The second coming is going to make a lot of people wishing failure on him look stupid.

    Actually they probably already look stupid , but just don’t know it.

  16. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Kim:
    “How does it feel to hit 2 home runs in a game? ”

    Player:
    ” It feel’s good”

    (And she’s the only one allowed to ask questions for the post game show.)

    Thanks for the memories Kim.

  17. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Bronx Jeers- :lol:

  18. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    “Tim Tebow perhaps? Now that it appears Derek is back with Minka, Kim probably realized that it never was going to happen with her and Derek.”
    ==============================

    totally sexist.

  19. Stottlemyre68 January 25th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    I’m sorry to lose Montero. I was expecting him to be 3/2-3/4 DH and a part time C, but unless he gets injured he has the potential to put up HOF numbers as a DH and middle of the order hitter. What impresses me most about him is that he has learned how to overcome his struggles at every level, hits to all fields, and already doesn’t K alot. That said, I also wonder whether there were things the Yanks knew about him and didn’t like. He was far less untouchable than they said.

    I agree with those who note that Pineda’s 2d half “dropoff” is largely attributable to about 3 stinkers. Perhaps he got tired as he reached his innings limit and we’ll want to be very careful about that so that his effectiveness is still there for the postseason.

    One area that should be addressed in the bullpen: we need at least one, preferably two guys in the bullpen who can go multiple innings. They are especially invaluable for extra inning games but also to protect your specialists from being wasted unnecessarily. The ’70s team had Tidrow, the ’90′s team had Mendoza, and ’09 had Acevas.

  20. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Kim Jones’s best moment on YES was when that dude ate her pork chop.

  21. Doc Iac January 25th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    it depends on if montero can catch

    if he can, hes value is very high as a catcher with 90+ rbi’s

    if he cant, a DH with 90 rbi’s arent hard to find, and yankees kill on the trade,

    ether way, i think pitchin and defense is more valuable than offense, so i liked the trade

  22. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    i dont wish failure on jesus, he’s a mariner. i hope he does great against the angels, rangers and red socks, crappy against the yankees and i pretty much don’t care against anyone else, you on the other hand have admitted to wishing failure on pineda, who is a yankee.

  23. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Bronx,

    Agree that was funny. I think you should apply for the job and tell them you would follow up with, “Was the team happy to win?”

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Kate, if someone actually asked her to ask questions like: “How did it feel when you gave up the game-winning home run?” then someone else shouldn’t be working at YES!

    I doubt she was fed the ridiculous questions she asked.

  25. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Blake
    I’d love having Pineda too if it would have been for some other Young Yankee offensive players.

    Oh , I see the problem there are NO other young offensive players that Seattle the worst offensive team in baseball wanted.

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    “totally sexist.”

    :)

    But perhaps totally true?

  27. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Interesting how a team like Seattle spits out #1′s while the Yankees have to trade for them.

    I wonder Bryan thinks of that.

    He s saying the mariners have developed two aces in five years.

    What’s up with cash man that he can’t compete with the Seattle gm in development of aces?

  28. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Stottlemyer,

    I assume oneof the fifth starter losers will be the long man. I have no clue what the other loser will do. Although Garcia hasn’t done much relief work, I think he would be a solid long man. He would come in and throw strikes.

  29. mick January 25th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    don’t worry the kim jones formula will be carried out, many clones out there will apply.

  30. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    it is certainly possible that she was instructed not to ask anything controversial, which leaves you w/ asking the obvious questions

  31. mick January 25th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    What’s up with cash man that he can’t compete with the Seattle gm in development of aces?
    ===================
    thats what happens when you finish last every year, look at tampa.

  32. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I don’t see why anyone would wish failure on Montero (other than when he faces the Yankees). He is a product of our farm system and his success reflects positively on it.

    And isn’t it possible that Cashman is playing the Ms to make them think they got the best deal evah

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    But Kate, what she asked could be seen as controversial in a way. Sometimes the questions made the Yankee players look really bad. And the questions were dumb. You could almost see players shaking their heads at her questions, and sometimes the looks they shot her said it all.

    A typical Kim Jones interview: It must have been frustrating for you to give up a three-run home run after the Yankees were down 10 runs and came all the way back to tie the score. Was it?

  34. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    I admitted I wished failure on Pineda ?

    You re delusional.

    I think he’s a nice kid who’s a crap shoot because there’s only about a 25% chance he develops a good change.

    Pineda will do nothing that is outside my prediction about him.

    My predictions are based on the probability of learning the change.
    If he learns a plus change that’s one scenario.
    If he doesn’t
    That’s another.

    I have em all covered

  35. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    RiverAveBlues Kim Jones. Never forget. http://youtu.be/k66p1ALnnmI

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    mick, the other thing is this. If Cashman’s only responsibility was developing aces, his job would be easy. When you’re GM for the NYY, your job is to do it all and make sure you win the world series. Well that’s a pretty tall order for anybody.

    As you say, Seattle may do a good job of one thing, but you see where it has gotten them. And Cashman can develop all the aces he wants but if the demand is to go out and get some superstars like the likes of Tex and CC, well then those aces may find themselves on other teams – as has happened.

  37. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    yeah some of her questions to AJ were priceless

  38. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Randy,

    Let’s see on the starters. Maybe, just maybe, Felix developed as a top starter for the Mariners since he rejected the Yankees and signed with them. Are you suggesting if he had signed with the Yankees he wouldn’t be any good?

    I thought Pineda would be a reliever. Now, you say the Mariners have developed him into a no. 1 so you can continue your Yankee bashing.

    Frankly, I have heard about enough. When you have demonstrated to anyone that you have more knowledge of scouting than all of the Yankee staff and know more about pitcher development than the professionals, I will listen. Until then, you are trolling. And trolling. And trolling.

  39. Benny Blanco January 25th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    “Interesting how a team like Seattle spits out #1?s while the Yankees have to trade for them.”

    Randy,

    Does Seattle find these “aces” because of scouting or because they finish with the worst record in baseball every year, thus allowing them early first round draft picks?

  40. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Felix and Pineda weren’t in the draft.

  41. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Pineda himself is not the controversy.

    I think knowledgeable baseball people can agree on Pineda and the variables involved.

    The controversy is trading a much more sure thing over the next ten years for a much riskier player who needs to do something he’s never done before.

    So there is no criticism of pineda the kid. I like him way better than most of his supporters on this blog :)

  42. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    So in an ongoing effort to make the All Star game more than an exhibition, Bud names a guy that is retired, and now has No vested interest in which team wins, to be Mgr of the NL Team??????

  43. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    There’s no international draft on players like Pineda and Felix.

  44. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    I’m glad Pineda’s chance to learn a change-up has increased from 10 percent to 25 percent over the last few days. By the time the season starts, he will have a great one at this rate.

  45. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    About Kim Jones – it will be a breath of fresh air if her replacement asks intelligent questions on the postgame interviews. Her color work was fluff stuff, but that works for color comentary. But her postgame questions were more-often-than-not dreadful and embarrassing.
    ———————-

    LOL, I think anyone working for YES has to play it that way in the locker room. Unfortunate, but likely the case.

    A way to improve: Just make Al Leiter do it!! I love Al lol.

  46. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    “What’s up with cash man that he can’t compete with the Seattle gm in development of aces?”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    switch Seattle with Minnesota in that sentence and you have all of randy’s posts from last winter. how’d that work out for minny?

  47. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Randy,

    You have said Pineda will be a reliever. How do you say you like him more than most?

  48. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Austinmac

    Based on your post ,I’m not sure you’re smart enough to debate with me.

    You don’t seem to grasp the concept of scenario thinking.

    There are some excellent books on the subject

    A guy named swartz is quite good

    I can see how you might think that pineda’s two pitches are baffling to hitters because anything that has more than two possible outcomes seems baffling to you.

    There are multiple possible outcomes to this trade

  49. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    What’s up with cash man that he can’t compete with the Seattle gm in development of aces?

    ——————————-

    Some organizations are better in certain areas than others. Cashman and Co. haven’t done a good job at developing pitching. Hopefully that changes but….

  50. Howe Farr January 25th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    So in an ongoing effort to make the All Star game more than an exhibition, Bud names a guy that is retired, and now has No vested interest in which team wins, to be Mgr of the NL Team??????

    ____________________________________________________

    The HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the children from Bud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  51. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    One possible outcome is Pineda develops a plus change

    Another is he doesn’t

    Another is he gets injured

    Another is he doesn’t

    For montero, he may catch

    He may not

    Montero may get concussions like cervelli
    He may not

    Montero may become the best hitter in the American league
    He may not

    Montero may start out fast and then the league finds something he can’t hit
    Pineda may have already been exposed last year as his own catcher said would happen

    Or both players my hit their ceilings. And bit be perennial all stars.

    I do think the fact the Yankees have Sanchez coming along in a few years affected the trade.

    WouLd the mariners have taken Sanchez instead of montero?
    Or maybe the Yankees wouldn’t do that.

    To me looking at as many possible scenarios as possible is essential to analyzing any trade

    I’m sure there are many more scenarios than I have imagined

    Maybe you could add one rather that” you don’t like cash man so i don’t like you”.

  52. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Randy,

    As a summa cum laude graduate of law school I am sure I can’t keep up with your massive brain.

    Yes, their are multiple outcomes of this trade. Their are in every trade. Maybe your intellect just realized this. The only outcomes you see are negative ones based upon a week of incoherent ranting.

  53. Joe from Long Island January 25th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    anyone who expects the quality of questions posed by the person that replaces kim jones to be improved is going to be sorely disappointed. the yes network dictates what ground can be covered, anything that might be remotely controversial or upsetting is not allowed.

  54. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Kim Jones’s best moment on YES was when that dude ate her pork chop.
    ————–

    Someone explain.

  55. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Shame- click the link in my 9:55 post.

  56. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Shame, Erin’s 9:55 post explains it all.

    She was holding a pork chop on a stick at a Twins-Yankees game. Some dude came up behind her and took a bite of the chop. While on the air.

  57. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Never mind.. saw the video.. wish they didnt cut it off before her reaction!

  58. Joe from Long Island January 25th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    shame – there was one game – i forget where, on the road – where she was in the bleachers doing her color commentary. she held up a pork chop, or something, to demonstrate what the vendors were selling. a guy standing behind took a bit out of it, while she was holding it.

    as i recall, it was kind of funny to see; but, interrupting someone working on their job was, well, you know. kim handled it professionally while on air. i have no idea what happened to the guy after the camera was turned off.

  59. Joe from Long Island January 25th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    i can’t get the video, was my recollection off?

  60. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    I can’t believe she didnt realize that guy took a bite of the chop right away… maybe she just couldnt look.

    I’d slice a b*tch or 3 for a pork chop so I’d be pretty mad. Imagine if that was O’neill!

  61. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Still trying to figure out what Detroit has cookin’ with that 9yr marriage to Fielder. Maybe the Vic Martinez injury is more extensive than we know. Gotta be more goin’ on, especially when you consider their only serious competition in signing Fielder was the Nats.
    Who do you guys see hitting more HR’s in 2012???? Fielder playing 81 in Detroit? Or Stanton with the new diggs?

  62. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Austin Mac

    So how many course did you have on scenario thinking in law school?

    How many on the concept of risk in marketplace trades?

    Am I wrong that having a high aptitude with numbers is not essential for attorneys.

    Classes on probability ?

    Just asking.

  63. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    I can still hear Kay freaking out after the pork chop thing. Very amusing. ;)

  64. Joe from Long Island January 25th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    donny – there is speculation within the industry that ilitch acted on his own in signing fielder, overruling dombrowski. sounds like a more non-baseball type of move. kind of like the yanks signing soriano over the advice of cashman. nice to know that a)it’s not just cashman who gets overruled by ownership, and b) makes the soriano deal look better, in terms of longterm baggage.

  65. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    - Shame -
    Pauly loves food. He’d throw-down onna clown that chomped his chop.

  66. JK January 25th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Seattle is much easier environment do develop pitching

    1. pitchers park
    2. weaker hitting division
    3. more patient fan base (Joba & hughes got booed off the mound)
    4. less media (Kennedy @ 22 says something unfortunate in a post game interview and he instantly becomes a problem child)
    5. less team pressure to win now (Seattle can let a young starter pitch the entire season with a 5+ era)

  67. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    - Joe -
    Up to the 9yr Fielder move, Detroit had been pretty cagey. Your probably right about somebody else sticking their finger in this pie.

  68. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    and b) makes the soriano deal look better, in terms of longterm baggage.

    Only if the signing impacts the ability for Detroit to sign new players, which if their owner really wants a ring… it won’t. Soriano is actively hampering the Yankees :x

  69. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Randy,

    No such classes in law school. Took plenty of math in undergraduate school as a business major, including statistics and probability.

    I have no desire to argue with you. Your point of view is as valid as mine. No argument. I am simply tired of the trade bashing. It happened. I hope for the best and have some fears it will go otherwise.

    We do all get your opposition to the trade. You have repeated it innumerable times.

    I don’t understand why you find it important to keep repeating your opposition. Personally, I would prefer hearing your opinions on where to go from here.

  70. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Gotta wonder if Seattle is gonna make Ichiro a Rent-A-Player come July 31.

  71. blake January 25th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    “January 25, 2012 at 10:43 am Still trying to figure out what Detroit has cookin’ with that 9yr marriage to Fielder.”

    I think their owner is thinking that he may not be around 9 years from now and he wants a WS now.

  72. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    “Seattle is much easier environment do develop pitching”

    Those are reasons, but not an excuse. Under the current CBAs, the Yankees have to be able to develop pitchers and hitters if they want to continue to compete at a very high level.

  73. blake January 25th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    If the Yankees had gotten Freddy Garcia years ago they may have Felix now too :(

  74. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    I think its fair to say that until spring training starts in a couple weeks the Montero trade talk will continue.

    They’ll probably continue beyond that as well but there should be more news to distract us.

  75. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    “Interesting how a team like Seattle spits out #1?s while the Yankees have to trade for them.

    I wonder Bryan thinks of that.”

    Seattle’s traded an ace for a prospect bat and another potential ace for another prospect bat.

    They’ve had to sign players like Figgins to try to score runs.

    They were an historically bad offense the last 2 years and terrible for several more.

    Anecdotal without perspective will almost always lead you down the wrong path.

  76. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    - Blake -
    How old is the Detroit owner? I don’t know anything about him.

  77. JK January 25th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Rich,

    There is also injury, we wouldn’t be having this discussion if Wang, Joba & Hughes stayed healthy, with Nova coming on strong.

  78. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    How old is the Detroit owner? I don’t know anything about him.

    He is 85, owns Little Caesers Pizza, and spends a lot of his personal wealth trying to win a world series. He owns the Red Wings and has said he would give up any of his stanley cups for a WS ring.

  79. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    “He is 85, owns Little Caesers Pizza, and spends a lot of his personal wealth trying to win a world series. He owns the Red Wings and has said he would give up any of his stanley cups for a WS ring.”

    But we can all reasonably conclude he has limits as well. He didn’t post the highest bid for Darvish, or by any reports engage in discussions to upgrade at SS with Reyes.

    Beltran might have proved a useful bat, and CJ Wilson probably would rate as one of Detroit’s 5 best starters if signed.

    Which is why the Yankees should have acquired all these players, because it appears no one else can or will. That would give them a competitive advantage.

  80. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    JK

    At least some of those injuries could well be a result of mishandling them.

  81. Joe from Long Island January 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    scott boras and prince fielder should send victor martinez a nice thank you gift.

    maybe a gift basket…..or a nice floral arrangement.

  82. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Just wondering what Posada is thinking the day after. They say the worst time for these war horses is when ST starts. Their internal clock tells them it’s time to report, but the person occupying the locker next to theirs’ is now the wife.

  83. pat January 25th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Gossip Break…..

    http://bestplaces.nydailynews......gue-profit

  84. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Jerky\stuckey
    Thanks for the info. I can believe Anything Detroit does, now that I know this guy is responsible for selling those horribly tasteless Little Caesars Pies.

  85. spidanyc January 25th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    IMO, the Mariners are stupid. Pineda almsot put up identical numbers to King Felix last year. Pineda is younger and much much cheaper than Felix. Why not trade King Felix to the Yankees for Montero, Banuelos, Betances and another piece and then have Betances, Banuelos, Pineda, Campos and their other young top pitching prospects come up at the same tame and make a difference then. King Felix who pitches every fifth day is not gonna make or break their attendance.

  86. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    those horribly tasteless Little Caesars Pies.

    You need to get them to brush on the garlic sauce from their breadsticks and sprinkle it with their cheese mix.

  87. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    pat-so you’re the one that bought it, right? I know you have an extra $8 million lying around. ;)

  88. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    They’d be so much better off without Soriano on the books.

    And in a way the deal works out good for Cashman because I’m sure he’ll never have to hear another peep from whichever one of his bosses gave the order to do it.

    If you take a couple of the crap contracts they have and erase them I don’t think we’d be arguing over this trade because it probably doesn’t happen.

    Pineda’s here to save money. It’s like a rich mans version of Moneyball.

  89. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    I agree with spidanyc, but they got what they wanted: Montero and they can still move Felix if they want.

  90. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    - Jerky -
    My heart just got clogged with that description alone.

  91. Villa Nova-Ya January 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    randy l -

    Who is wishing failure on Montero?

  92. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Cashman seemed truly torn in dealing Montero, so you gotta believe he is Big on Pineda.

  93. pat January 25th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Erin

    $8M isn’t the problem.

    Too much white for my crew. I’d be so busy cleaning finger and paw prints all day that I wouldn’t have anytime to enjoy the spa so why bother.

  94. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Cashman seemed truly torn in dealing Montero

    ——————————

    He was?

  95. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    “Cashman seemed truly torn in dealing Montero, so you gotta believe he is Big on Pineda.”

    I think he was torn because he didn’t get back the established ace he has long said it would take to move him, and maybe because he has ambiguous feelings about Girardi’s unwillingness to use Montero as a catcher.

  96. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Still can’t believe Adrian Gonzalez took that 7/$157 deal… what a freakin moron. I think he could’ve gotten $200 million. With Tex at $180, there’s no way he’d command less.

  97. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    pat- LOL :)

  98. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Fielder and Cabrera make quite a 3 and 4, but the remainder of the offense is suspect. Those 2 are gonna burn ya here and there, but you can get ‘em due to the weak lineup in general. The Fister move got ‘em rolling last season, not the offense.

  99. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    “Pineda’s here to save money. It’s like a rich mans version of Moneyball.”

    Do not mention this movie/book when I’m around.. they should’ve titled it ‘How to Not Win a World Series’

  100. Villa Nova-Ya January 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    pat -

    It’s awfully sterile-looking….

  101. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Who’d like to explain to me how this makes sense:

    “Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
    A couple of you have pointed out (and I agree completely): Fielder’s deal will also have direct impact on Jacoby Ellsbury’s talks w/ Boston.”

  102. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Detroit’s lineup is really good. It’s not like they have Cabrera and Fielder then a bunch of scrubs. Boesch, Young, Jackson, Peralta, Avila.. some pretty damn good hitters.

    Detroit’s problem is they are going to have absurdly bad defense.

  103. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    I think Olney’s point is that Fielder’s contract is one more reference point that an elite hitter can point to when negotiating to determine his worth on the open market. That doesn’t mean Ellsbury is as good a hitter a Fielder, or that he can come close to his 2011 production, but if he can, a larger contract like that helps him get a bigger contract, unless of course, he is willing to take the obligatory RS discount.

  104. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Shame,

    Ellsbury’s agent is Scott Boras.

  105. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Do not mention this movie/book when I’m around.. they should’ve titled it ‘How to Not Win a World Series’

    LOL.

    The movie wasn’t bad but a few guys got snubbed for Brad Pitt.

  106. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Read the book Moneyball, it’s a good read. Far better than the movie

  107. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    I believe Ellsbury, if he plays like last year, will have more value than Prince. All contracts affect others and when a two tool guy gets that much, someone with speed and power will make more.

    After he was treated poorly a couple years ago, I don’t see him taking a lower contract for the love of the team. At least, I hope not. The Sox seem to be in the same salary cap box as the Yankees so every dollar counts.

    That said, it appears they still have money for Oswalt or Jackson as I read they are still trying to get one of them.

  108. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Detroit’s lineup is really good.
    My question is does adding Prince and subracting V-mart make them that much better?

  109. pat January 25th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Villa

    The Miami house seems to have the same art gallery look so he must like minimalist modern with lots of glass and amazing views. House was probably stripped of personal items before photography to not give away the identity of the seller too.

    I like the high polish white wood floors but the rest is too stark for my taste

  110. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    stuckey – The Boras connection makes more sense. I basically read it as ‘salaries are going up for elite players,’ which to me doesn’t seem like groundbreaking news. Personally, I don’t see Ellsbury getting Fielder money but I didn’t see Crawford getting what is now Crawford money so what the hell do I know…

    No way Ellsbury gives the Sox the kind of discount Agon did. Still can’t wrap my head around that deal… Agon is a moron.

  111. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    I believe Ellsbury, if he plays like last year, will have more value than Prince.

    Well Ellsbury was better than Prince in 2011 so you are right. However, I think it’s highly doubtful that Ellsbury is as good in 2012 as he was in 2011. That power really came out of nowhere and he’s always been an inconsistent defender.

  112. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    My question is does adding Prince and subracting V-mart make them that much better?

    Its about a 50 OPS + 20 HR boost maybe? Yea probably, and they may get V-mart back this year. They were already the second best offense last year by OPS+, only 10 OPS off the Yankees. THey have a lot of guys that can jump on you.

    I think the Yankees should be able to pitch to them, but I thought that last year and they still served up HRs to Delmon Young…

  113. JK January 25th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Ellsbury is gone…. his starting point is Crawford’s 140M.

    Boras is also Cano’s agent :(

  114. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Boras is also Cano’s agent :(

    ———————–

    Maybe Cano will go the Cargo and Weaver route :)

  115. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Maybe Cano will go the Cargo and Weaver route

    That would require the Yankees breaking policy and offering an extension before he is a FA. Oh wait they wont do that because POLICY. Good luck to them in managing payroll without creative contracting like that.

  116. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    The movie wasn?t bad but a few guys got snubbed for Brad Pitt.

    *****************

    I have no problem with Brad getting a nomination (because, come on…he’s Brad Pitt ;) )

    but it must have been an insanely weak year for supporting actors if Jonah Hill got a nomination. Nothing remotely award worthy in that performance IMO.

  117. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Detroit’s lineup is really good.
    My question is does adding Prince and subracting V-mart make them that much better?

    Good question. In my opinion, yes. Victor Martinez is a very good hitter but Prince is simply elite. There are very few hitters like Fielder in the major leagues and it gives the Tigers a huge advantage to pack so much production into two lineup spots (Fielder and Cabrera).

    The middle of their lineup is set up for elite production over the next 5+ years. Detroit has the best 3-4 punch in MLB.. imagine game 1 in the playoffs – Verlander is pitching and your starter has to pitch to Fielder and Cabrera. Scary…

  118. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I love policy.

    Create it. Abide by it. Let it rule you

  119. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    That would require the Yankees breaking policy and offering an extension before he is a FA. Oh wait they wont do that because POLICY. Good luck to them in managing payroll without creative contracting like that.

    Well the deal Cano is playing on right now is an extension they offered him before free agency.

  120. JK January 25th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    The problem the Sox are having is their backloaded contracts to their young players are starting to get expensive and they have 2 large unproductive contracts on the books. Their system is also not producing major league talent that can move into their rotation or lineup anymore.

  121. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Thanks JF and Patrick

    I have to say I never thought Prince would end up in Detroit, even after V-mart’s injury.

  122. blake January 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Ellsbury doesn’t have near the track record or performance or health that Prince does…..however he plays a much more premium position and I love his swing and game when healthy. If he comes anywhere close to last year over the next two he’s going to get paid big time.

  123. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Well the deal Cano is playing on right now is an extension they offered him before free agency.

    Nah they just avoided arbitration, which they have done with Jeter and others. Once you get the contract though thats it.

  124. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    - Kate -
    Very good point on the + – of Fielder vs K Mart.

  125. JK January 25th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Jerkface,

    They signed Jeter 1 year early. They also gave Cano his first contract early. I actually think they will address it before picking up his last option year.

  126. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    “I think he was torn because he didn’t get back the established ace he has long said it would take to move him, and maybe because he has ambiguous feelings about Girardi’s unwillingness to use Montero as a catcher.”

    Rich in nj-

    I find it interesting how you and I are in fairly close agreement on the montero/pined a trade.

    I also do not love the way girardi likes to play baseball.

    There are ways this trade can work out that will be good for the yankees, but that’s really not the point. The point is more of how cash man and girardi value players and what kind of players they will be after in the future.

    If there is a flawed reasoning behind cashman’s thinking on how he values players that’s going to be a problem going into the future.

  127. blake January 25th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    The Yankees need to talk with Cano about an extension……they are dummies if they don’t who are clinging to an old policy that doesn’t fit their business plan anymore.

  128. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    I’m hoping that Gardner can pull an Ellsbury in 2012.

  129. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Nah they just avoided arbitration, which they have done with Jeter and others. Once you get the contract though thats it.

    Actually signing Cano to that deal was a bit unorthodox for the Yankees. Jeter signed a series of 1 year deals until finally signing a big 10 year deal in his 3rd year of arbitration.

    Cano’s deal also bought out (I think) 2 years of free agency. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they extended him again within the next two years.

  130. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    They signed Jeter 1 year early. They also gave Cano his first contract early. I actually think they will address it before picking up his last option year.

    Cano is going to be 31 when his contract is up and they risk having to give him 7 or 8 years to keep him. That deal is going to be a killer and not really worth it. They need to extend him now and offer him pay raises to get a deal that ends when he is ~35

  131. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Actually signing Cano to that deal was a bit unorthodox for the Yankees. Jeter signed a series of 1 year deals until finally signing a big 10 year deal in his 3rd year of arbitration.

    Its not as unorthodox as signing him to an extension while he is still under contract, which the Yankees have stated is their policy not to do.

  132. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Verlander is a monster, but fairly pedestrian in the PS last year, as he was in 2006 if memory serves.

    Doesn’t mean its not capable of going out and dominating for 4 or 5 starts in the future. He’s got any good as tools as anyone to do it, but the point is, paper tigers (see what I did there) often become irrelevant in the postseason.

  133. blake January 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Ellsbury’s swing is night and day better than Gardner…….I like Gardy but he doesn’t have Jacobys 2011 in his skill set.

  134. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    “The Yankees need to talk with Cano about an extension……they are dummies if they don’t who are clinging to an old policy that doesn’t fit their business plan anymore.”

    My disagreements with Cashman aside, I’m am extremely confident that he has approached Levine/ownership about extending Cano. What they think about that remains to be seen.

  135. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Its not as unorthodox as signing him to an extension while he is still under contract, which the Yankees have stated is their policy not to do.

    Yes and everything they say is true right? Cashman lies all the time. If they let Cano get to free agency I’ll rip the Yankees too but so far they’ve shown a willingness to extend him and keep him on the team.

  136. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Read the book Moneyball, it’s a good read. Far better than the movie
    ——————

    Will it tell me how to win the World Series? :D

    I’m being facetious of course.. but as someone who has read it, Patrick, can you give me a better idea of what its focus truly is because whenever I read summations of it I’m pretty sure I’d find it ‘eh.’

  137. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Cashman’s general tone made me feel he truly agonized over the deal. From what Jack Z has been quoted as saying, I believe he thinks he gotta steal.

  138. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    randy

    I think it was you who made the point that number of people who look at baseball from various perspectives have reached the same conclusion about this trade.

  139. blake January 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    I could see Boras demanding a Fielder Deal for cano in 2 years if they dont extend him….which would put him close to 40 at the end….

  140. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Yes and everything they say is true right? Cashman lies all the time. If they let Cano get to free agency I’ll rip the Yankees too but so far they’ve shown a willingness to extend him and keep him on the team.

    ???? They have NEVER done it so yes its true until they do otherwise. They have never extended anyone that was under contract. They would rather let Mariano and Posada and Jeter reach free agency and try to outbid other teams artificially increasing their own costs to keep core players.

    I cant believe this is even a debate.

  141. BryanV21 January 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Since it was asked, I decided to reply… even though the question has been covered well enough already.

    Seattle develops more ace-type pitchers because they not only have the ability to get better raw talent, but because THEY HAVE TO. I don’t remember Seattle being in the running for CC Sabathia when he was a free agent after the ’08 season. And what other aces have they created? Besides Felix and possibly Pineda, Cliff Lee was acquired via trade (from CLE), and Randy Johnson was acquired from MON after having came up through the Expos’ minor league system.

    BTW, the Yankees do have some good to very good pitching prospects of their own. Besides the fact Phil Hughes’ career is far from over, and Ivan Nova was slated as the #2 starter for 2012 a month ago, there’s the highly ranked Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Adam Warren, David Phelps, and DJ Mitchell.

    Finally, Montero may be very good. He may be great. But let’s hold off on the Hall of Fame talk until we see a few more than 61 at bats from the guy. Oh, and I’m not going “all in” on Pineda either.

  142. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Gardner may have a” Juan Pierre 2004″ – .326/.374/.407-in him

  143. JK January 25th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Jerkface,

    LOL, you know Boras is not signing any deal that ends @ 35. Cano is a potential legacy HOF player. They usually go the extra mile for those guys. Your reasoning is why I believe Granderson is toast, there is no way they are signing him long term with a new contract starting at 33.

  144. Joe from Long Island January 25th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I love policy.

    Create it. Abide by it. Let it rule you

    Tom, are you in the hospital business, lol…..

  145. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I cant believe this is even a debate.

    It is a debate because THEY DID IT WITH CANO, the very guy we are talking about.

  146. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I’m being facetious of course.. but as someone who has read it, Patrick, can you give me a better idea of what its focus truly is because whenever I read summations of it I’m pretty sure I’d find it

    If you like funny/interesting books and enjoy reading baseball books you really should read moneyball. Its about Beane trying to win by finding inefficiencies in the market, but once you get past that its an interest story about the particular players/scouts/managers that are interacting under this philosophy. Its real good.

    I liked the movie but the book is better.

  147. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    It is a debate because THEY DID IT WITH CANO, the very guy we are talking about.

    Except they didnt! They just avoided arbitration and signed him to a deal! Its not the same at all!

  148. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Except they didnt! They just avoided arbitration and signed him to a deal! Its not the same at all!

    A long term deal that bought out years of free agency… sounds extremely similar to me.

  149. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    - Blake -
    I did not foresee the power that Ellsbury displayed in 2011. Surprised me big time.

  150. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Doesn’t mean its not capable of going out and dominating for 4 or 5 starts in the future. He’s got any good as tools as anyone to do it, but the point is, paper tigers (see what I did there) often become irrelevant in the postseason

    ——-

    I have a completely unresearched theory that the heavy workloads of guys like CC and Verlander are affecting them in the postseason.

  151. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    The Yankees also extended Sabathia before he hit free agency :)

  152. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Dr. Joe:

    Academia.

  153. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    A long term deal that bought out years of free agency… sounds extremely similar to me.

    Cano is the first guy since Jeter that warranted it, they havent developed any position players and they dont sign pitchers to extensions (which they should change as well) because of injury. Its not the same as having Cano signed to a long term deal and EXTENDING IT.

    Completely different in fact! One is a thing they have done before. One they have never done!

  154. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    The Yankees also extended Sabathia before he hit free agency

    I wonder why they did that :P

  155. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    “I’m being facetious of course.. but as someone who has read it, Patrick, can you give me a better idea of what its focus truly is because whenever I read summations of it I’m pretty sure I’d find it ‘eh.’”

    Shame, I’m going to recommend the book to you for one reason and one reason only – Michael Lewis is a fine writer who crafts and entertaining story.

    I think that it’s about baseball and ideas, theories, history and names you’re familiar with will just be the icing on the cake.

    Don’t dismiss the book on whether you think you’ll agree with the thesis (it really doesn’t have one, it examines one), read it because you’ll likely enjoy reading a well-crafted story.

  156. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Hmm.. I’ll look into it. I’ve been a reading machine lately so I’ll add it to the queue.

  157. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Its funny though.. when it comes to reading I usually avoid anything sports related. Maybe its because I spend too much time here lol, although I did just finish up The Lost Boy.

  158. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Ah.. new post :arrow:

  159. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Rich in nj-

    Yes getting to the same conclusion from different perspectives should make people who care about this trade take notice.

    It is possible cashman beats the odds on this trade being successful from a Yankee point of view, but I place the odds much less than 50/50.

    I think the results of this trade are going to be the biggest Yankee story this year.
    I don’t think it’s going to be going away for a very long time.

  160. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Yanks would be making a HUGE mistake if they let Cano hit the free agent market. The scarcity at that position of a guy with Cano’s power makes him Extremely rare. There is just no way the Yankees can let him start fielding offers. By that time, he will also probably be the face of the franchise, even if Jeet is still hangin’ around.

  161. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    - LGY -
    I buy into your workload theory.

  162. champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    The Yanks are at a crossroads in their development program. The philosophy of developing pitching in house is a very new one for the Yanks organization and Phil Hughes is in fact sort of the face of this new program.

    Since the Boss purchased the team in the early ’70′s the philosophy had always been to acquire veteran battle tested pitching through trade of FA. The idea was that there was more certainty provided this way and the goal every year of course was to win that years title. The patience to develop young pitching and the inevitable ups and downs that come along with it could not be tolerated in that Yankee system.

    There has now been a shift in thinking around the whole game really because of the prohibitive costs of FA pitching in the marketplace both elite/ace level ( 20-25mm per/150mm deals ) to backend types ( 8-10mm per/30-50mm deals ).

    Hughes, Joba and IPK represent the 1st wave of guys in this new plan and the grade is currently incomplete with each showing flashes of the talents that our scouts correctly saw but only Kennedy fully establishing himself and that due to another teams patience and commitment to see his development through.

    That makes this season a very important 1 for both the development program and Hughes himself. It’s almost imperative that Hughes grabs that lat spot in the ‘ro and makes his 30 starts and finally makes his mark.

    It may be just as important for Banny and Dellin that this is the route the Yanks take with Phil as it may signal the orgs ability to see it through with these 2 as well.

  163. crorkz matz August 5th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    kr674V I think this is a real great blog.Really looking forward to read more. Will read on…

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