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Possibility and opportunity

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Two comments from yesterday…

Brian Cashman: “The trade was certainly kind of unexpected, but an opportunity I felt was worth taking.”

Joe Girardi: “Trades are sometimes evaluated in the first week, first month, but I think this trade will take a while to evaluate.”

In this morning’s Pinch Hitter post, Bryan wrote about possibility and opportunity. When the offseason started, he focused on the possibility of next year. He saw names like Hamels and Cain and wanted the Yankees to be a position to go after those potential free agents.

Now that the offseason is reaching its final month, Bryan sees an opportunity, and he’s glad the Yankees took advantage.

I can’t tell you which free agents will actually be available next winter, but like Cashman said yesterday, an opportunity clearly presented itself and the Yankees decided to strike while the iron was hot.

I can’t tell you whether Michael Pineda will develop into a pitcher worth losing Jesus Montero, but like Girardi said yesterday, there’s absolutely no one in a position to answer that question right now.

“I like the additions that we’ve made,” Girardi said. “Obviously you want the strength of your club to be your pitching staff, in a sense, because it all starts with that. I think we’ve improved our rotation. We had a really good year last year and got a lot from our pitching staff. I think we’ve improved that.”

Maybe they could have waited until next winter and improved without losing Montero. It’s certainly possible. But an opportunity presented itself here and now, and the Yankees made their choice.

There are always possibilities. Opportunities, on the other hand, are in short supply.

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177 Responses to “Possibility and opportunity”

  1. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    “I like the additions that we’ve made,” Girardi said.
    __

    No shock there.

  2. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Girardi,”I like the subtractions we’ve made.”

    Say what you really mean Girardi :x

  3. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Its funny though.. when it comes to reading I usually avoid anything sports related. Maybe its because I spend too much time here lol, although I did just finish up The Lost Boy.

    You want another good baseball book? Get The Universal Baseball Association, Inc. J. Henry Waugh, Prop. Its about a guy that created his own fantasy baseball league played out in like a fake simulation sort and how crazy he becomes over it. Its awesome. I wish there were real rules for the little league he made.

  4. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    I think Uncle Joe is given a little too much credit for some of this Montero stuff.. I think Cash is the guy that runs the show and will just pick managers that agree with his philosophies. Uncle Joe happens to be the guy now. In two or three more seasons, it’ll be someone else but you can bet they’ll still buy in.

  5. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    I really wish someone in baseball would have the cojones to say it’s not all about pitching. Just once is all I ask.

  6. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
    Rich in nj-

    Yes getting to the same conclusion from different perspectives should make peoplem who care about this trade take notice.

    It is possible cashman beats the odds on this trade being successful from a Yankee point of view, but I place the odds much less than 50/50.

    I think the results of this trade are going to be the biggest Yankee story this year.
    I don’t think it’s going to be going away for a very long time.

  7. Mike Ri January 25th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Trades are sometimes evaluated in the first week, first month, but I think this trade will take a while to evaluate.?

    Joe .. .you should try telling that to the 95 percent of the posters on this blog

  8. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Poor Damon Rutherford…

  9. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “The point is more of how cash man and girardi value players and what kind of players they will be after in the future.

    “If there is a flawed reasoning behind cashman’s thinking on how he values players that’s going to be a problem going into the future.”

    Randy, I appreciate you posed that as a question rather than a conclusion.

    Now, while I’ve come around to agree with the POV that the Yankees should impose NO limits on themselves and should acquire any and all players who would theoretically upgrade their roster regardless of payroll considerations, I still have questions about the conclusion this trade offers conclusive evidence as how Cashman and Girardi value offense at the catcher’s position.

    The transaction in question is both singular and anecdotal, either which would raise questions as to what philosophical position can be inferred from it, and together make drawing any larger conclusion utterly arbitrary.

    The trade could be as much about Montero as a person, or Pineda as a prospect, or a combination of several factors, rather than the execution of a strategy (like “best available player” for an analogous example”).

    I’ve yet to see a compelling case to demonstrate this trade means something in the big picture – the big picture has not been developed clearly by any theorist here.

  10. blake January 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “Trades are sometimes evaluated in the first week, first month, but I think this trade will take a while to evaluate.?”

    This is true….however the question has always been…..should the Yankees trade Montero unless the deal was a sure thing to make the club better?

  11. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Typical Company Man Girardi comments. I’d rather he just continue his, “cigar store Indian thumbing thru a binder” routine.

  12. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Jerkface – That actually sounds awesome.. I sort of read by category. For example, I had no idea that there was so much zombie-apocalypse related literature. Once I discovered this.. well.. my book list became very zombie centric for about 3-4 months. Maybe I should give sports a go. You’d think I would consider this an obvious genre to touch on but I’m not sure why it hasn’t come into play just yet.

  13. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I sort of read by category. For example, I had no idea that there was so much zombie-apocalypse related literature.

    I’m on spy books right now :twisted: Reading A Very Private Gentleman with Tinker,Tailor and The Spy That Came In From the Cold on tap.

  14. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    “Say what you really mean Girardi ”

    Sweet.

  15. champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    repost

    champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    The Yanks are at a crossroads in their development program. The philosophy of developing pitching in house is a very new one for the Yanks organization and Phil Hughes is in fact sort of the face of this new program.

    Since the Boss purchased the team in the early ’70?s the philosophy had always been to acquire veteran battle tested pitching through trade of FA. The idea was that there was more certainty provided this way and the goal every year of course was to win that years title. The patience to develop young pitching and the inevitable ups and downs that come along with it could not be tolerated in that Yankee system.

    There has now been a shift in thinking around the whole game really because of the prohibitive costs of FA pitching in the marketplace both elite/ace level ( 20-25mm per/150mm deals ) to backend types ( 8-10mm per/30-50mm deals ).

    Hughes, Joba and IPK represent the 1st wave of guys in this new plan and the grade is currently incomplete with each showing flashes of the talents that our scouts correctly saw but only Kennedy fully establishing himself and that due to another teams patience and commitment to see his development through.

    That makes this season a very important 1 for both the development program and Hughes himself. It’s almost imperative that Hughes grabs that lat spot in the ‘ro and makes his 30 starts and finally makes his mark.

    It may be just as important for Banny and Dellin that this is the route the Yanks take with Phil as it may signal the orgs ability to see it through with these 2 as well.

  16. 4 NYY January 25th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    It’s not all about pitching ! It’s all about pitching and defense ! ( mainly pitching ! LOL )

    With a dash of hitting.

  17. Mike Ri January 25th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    ?Trades are sometimes evaluated in the first week, first month, but I think this trade will take a while to evaluate.??

    This is true?.however the question has always been?..should the Yankees trade Montero unless the deal was a sure thing to make the club better?

    —————-
    Blake –

    I don’t think any trade is a sure thing …….. Every trade has risk…… only time will tell how this trade shakes out.

  18. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “This is true….however the question has always been…..should the Yankees trade Montero unless the deal was a sure thing to make the club better?”

    Why should that be the question? Montero isn’t a sure thing at least when it comes to catching and though I think he’s going to be a middle of the lineup type of hitter, unlike others, I don’t know if he’s going to be a Pujols or Arod type of hitter.

  19. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    “This is true….however the question has always been…..should the Yankees trade Montero unless the deal was a sure thing to make the club better?”

    My question is, does a sure thing even exist?

    I’ve never seen any evidence of the fool-proof baseball transaction. Philly is 0-fer Halliday.

    Adding Cliff Lee to the mix resulted in going backwards in the PS.

    Boston added Gonzalez, Crawford (and effectively added a superstar in Ellsbury) and didn’t make the playoffs.

    Baseball GMs will do a lot of sitting in their hands if they wait for the sure-fire.

  20. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    I’ve been on an historical reading kick recently, within the past month I’ve read:

    1493: Uncovering the New World Columbus Created

    Vermeer’s Hat: The Seventeenth Century and the Dawn of the Global World

    The Roads to Modernity: The British, French, and American Enlightenments

  21. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    I’m reading the Dresden Files right now, I’m in the middle of book 6. Good series

  22. Mike Ri January 25th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Montero nor Pineda are sure things . . Both are Rookies with major upside ! . . . let them both play and mature out . . . and we’ll see who got the best of the this deal.

    it’ll take years for this trade to be evaluated

  23. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Jerkface – I’ve read The Spy That Came in from the Cold.. I think you’ll like it a lot!

    For a while I was on book series. Didn’t matter the genre, just anything with 3+ books about the same world/characters/settings. I was going to start on the Games of Thrones books next but now I’m tossing around a few other ideas..

  24. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    - stuckey -
    Your “Montero as a person” comment brings to mind his skipping BP several times after being called up in Sept. And when you consider that A-Rod called him on it, makes the entire situation both conserting and worthy of a chuckle.

  25. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    I have been reading the Steve Jobs bio by Walter Isaacson.

  26. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    it’ll take years for this trade to be evaluated

    The difference is that if Montero owns and Pineda sucks we’ll be there telling everyone how we knew it was a bad trade. If the opposite happens we’ll be too busy complaining about a new trade/non-trade to care about your told you sos :twisted:

  27. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    “Your “Montero as a person” comment brings to mind his skipping BP several times after being called up in Sept. And when you consider that A-Rod called him on it, makes the entire situation both conserting and worthy of a chuckle.”

    Actually, it demonstrates how willing Montero is to learn.

  28. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    I was going to start on the Games of Thrones books next but now I’m tossing around a few other ideas..

    you should read A Song of Ice and Fire. All of them. Great books filled with impossible detail and more characters with story relevance that I would think possible.

  29. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Walter Isaacson’s bio of Ben Franklin was good.

  30. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    “The Roads to Modernity: The British, French, and American Enlightenments”

    Dayuuuum… sounds like a heavy read lol. I should do more history stuff..

    “Dresden Files”

    This was on my book series list too!! The problem I have with reading series of any sort is that whenever I finish all I want to do is read Harry Potter 1-7 over again. I can’t really explain it lol.. I realize it must sound insane.. but that’s why I’m not sure I should keep going with sets of books for the moment so I can fight the urge to interrupt new reading with rereading.

  31. PittsburghYankeeFan January 25th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    The same crowd that criticized the Austin Jackson for Curtis Granderson trade are again out in force.

    History repeats itself, and likely there will be complaints galore if Pineda has a few bad starts–just like Curtis Granderson got slammed in 2010.

    Everyone chill out, I would say, and let the season and the team develop.

    I like their chances, since they corrected their major defect, which was young, cost controlled, #1-2 type, starting pitching.

    The offense will be just fine. I don’t see them becoming KC or Seattle overnight. Does anyone else, honestly?

  32. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Montero did not skip mandatory BP, A-rod fined him unless he took extra BP.

  33. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    LGY

    Melo took our advice about shooting too much. ;)

  34. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “I can’t tell you whether Michael Pineda will develop into a pitcher worth losing Jesus Montero, but like Girardi said yesterday, there’s absolutely no one in a position to answer that question right now.”

    But that means there’s no one who can say it should have been done either.

    Gee Chad , that’s real helpful.

    If that’s really your position that means you are open to the possibility this is the bonehead trade of the century.

  35. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    I was going to start on the Games of Thrones books next but now I’m tossing around a few other ideas..

    Good series but by the time you finish the most recent book you will develop a love hate relationship with the books and it’s author. I convinced my Dad to read the series after season 1 of Game of Thrones aired and he just finished A Dance with Dragons.

  36. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Oooh…it’s LoHud Book Club day! ;)

    Currently I’m reading The Angel Makers by Jessica Gregson (historical fiction)

    and just finsihed Stephen King’s 11/22/63 last week.

  37. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    “The same crowd that criticized the Austin Jackson for Curtis Granderson trade are again out in force.”

    Nope, liked that trade. Didn’t like the Vazquez trade.

    Making broad generalizations is often a road to being wrong.

  38. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Tom – I think my problem with history related books is I’m not a big biography person. I’ve started to come around to them more but its not something I find I’m able to lose myself in the way I can with fiction. Could just be the writers haven’t been that great though..

  39. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Shame,

    I am in the middle of The Game of Thrones series having almost finished book 3. It is very good and a bit addictive.

    Have you seen the movie Tinker, Tailor,Soldier, Spy? That may be a weekend activity for me.

  40. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    “and just finsihed Stephen King’s 11/22/63 last week.”

    I’ve never read a Stephen King book and I’m genuinely ashamed lol, I need to get on Pet Sematary (the misspelling always confused me) or something stat.

  41. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    A great, classic bio is David Herbert Donald’s book on Lincoln.

  42. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Donny, I didn’t mean to accuse Montero of anything, other than to simply observe there has been smoke, on several different occasions.

    My larger point is we just don’t know, as difficult a concept as that is for some. In absence of any compelling body of evidence I’ve yet to see, we don’t know and may never know ALL reasons this trade was made, or how multiple reason were or were not weighted.

    Any such conclusions being advanced here is being done through the filter of emotional response.

  43. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “If that’s really your position that means you are open to the possibility this is the bonehead trade of the century.”

    Unlike most Yankee fans, you’re hoping that’s what happens, so you can crow how smart you are and how stupid Cashman is.

  44. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “Making broad generalizations is often a road to being wrong.”

    Indeed, sir.

  45. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    The same crowd that criticized the Austin Jackson for Curtis Granderson trade are again out in force.

    Loved the grandy deal. Austin Jackson’s ceiling was Granderson and he had little chance to reach it. Hate this deal. Lohud fallacy strikes again!

  46. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    “If that’s really your position that means you are open to the possibility this is the bonehead trade of the century.”

    Indeed, sir.

  47. Crawdaddy January 25th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    You rather see your team do poorly and appear right with your opinion than your team doing well and you were mistaken with your stated opinion.

  48. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Sh*t… now I have to read A Song of Ice and Fire, Tinker, Tailor,Soldier, Spy, Dresden Files, something about history, and a Stephen King novel.. Thanks guys!!!

  49. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Have you seen the movie Tinker, Tailor,Soldier, Spy? That may be a weekend activity for me.

    Its really good.

  50. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Rich,

    I agree broad generalizations are the road to error. It applies both ways as many have done such regarding Pineda. This trade, like all trades, will be assessed in a few years. Neither the Yankees nor any of us know how Pineda will pitch or how Monero will catch or hit. We can predict, but no more.

  51. blake January 25th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    There are more sure things than Pineda…..and pitchers carry more risk than hitters……that’s the point……this thing may come up roses for the Yankees…..but its a very risky trade and Cashman himself said that.

    I said before the trade and ill say now……the only way I would have dealt Montero would have bern for an established #1 starter……ir a young established impact bat. Potential for potential wouldn’t have been enough for me….especially trading hitter for pitcher.

    That said…..im excited about Pineda and think he’s got a shot to be special ……I just wish he already was that guy now.

  52. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Shame,

    I am in the middle of The Game of Thrones series having almost finished book 3. It is very good and a bit addictive.

    Have you seen the movie Tinker, Tailor,Soldier, Spy? That may be a weekend activity for me.

    ————————

    Thats what I keep hearing about the books so I figure once I start I can fly through pretty steadily. I haven’t seen the movie yet, I want to read it first (yeah, I’m THAT person) so I’ll probably catch it when its finally on DVD lol.

  53. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    You guys wanna read something historical, get into the 5 volumes of Douglas P. Horne’s “Iniside The Assassination Records Review Board”. The guy was on the Assasssination Review Board that was a Congressional result of the public bruhaha created by Oliver Stone’s movie JFK. Horne actually sat in on the sworn testimony of individuals involved in countless aspects of the assassination, and provides their sworn testimony. Nothing 2nd hand, or paraphrased. Riveting and factual.

  54. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    For the record I hardly followed Austin Jackson.

    I liked that trade

    Yes it takes time for trades to play out but I think montero still playing at a high level in 2025 is much more likely than pineda pitching at a high level then.

  55. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    “Montero did not skip mandatory BP, A-rod fined him unless he took extra BP.”

    There are team rules and there are TEAM rules.

    Seems like just taking mandatory BP doesn’t sit well in the clubhouse amongst the players.

  56. blake January 25th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    “The same crowd that criticized the Austin Jackson for Curtis Granderson trade are again out in force.”

    This isn’t true…..a lot of the folks that dislike the Montero deal loved the Granderson one…..that one carried a lot less risk because the Yanks were getting a prime age cost controlled established player.

  57. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I too liked the Granderson deal but not this deal.

    I also liked the Vazquez deal at the time but now regret it :(

  58. Bret The Hitman January 25th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    The risks to young pitchers applies to Nova, Banuelos, Hughes and Betances which is why adding Pineda and Campos makes sense. Signing Hamels would add even more stability.

  59. GreenBeret7 January 25th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    I recommend that people on here use a liberal dose of psilocybin to combat your depression over the moves/non-moves that Cashman and the yankees have made this year.

  60. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    - Shame -
    My wife, daughter, and son are all into the “Game of Thrones” books. Me, I like the surprises provided via HBO.

  61. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Have you seen the movie Tinker, Tailor,Soldier, Spy? That may be a weekend activity for me.

    *****************

    austinmac, I saw that a couple weeks ago. Loved it.

  62. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    There are team rules and there are TEAM rules.

    Seems like just taking mandatory BP doesn’t sit well in the clubhouse amongst the players.

    Exactly, though I don’t think everyone takes all available BP, but A-rod wanted to start instilling some dedication into Montero early. If you follow the beat writers on twitter/chad here you can often get a sense for who takes extra BP. Cano & Gardner were 2 guys that were probably in almost every BP talked about during the season.

  63. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    I liked the second Vazquez trade better than the first. At the time, I really liked Nick Johnson.

  64. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Donny – A friend of mine told me I was better off reading the books after watching the first season because I’d be able to keep track of the characters more easily.

    I think she was implying I have low reading comprehension skills ;)

  65. jacksquat January 25th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    For the record I hardly followed Austin Jackson.

    I liked that trade

    Yes it takes time for trades to play out but I think montero still playing at a high level in 2025 is much more likely than pineda pitching at a high level then.

    2025??? lol

    As far as the trade is concerned, only the years of control left really matter, not 13 years from now. Once they reach free agency anyone can get them.

  66. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    At the time, I really liked Nick Johnson.

    The Yankees scored 6 runs per game while he was healthy! :(

  67. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Personally, I woulda done the Grandy deal back then. Same goes for Montero now.

  68. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    At the time, I really liked Nick Johnson.

    *******************

    Who? :P

  69. G. Love January 25th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    If Seattle is so adept at creating and developing #1 starters why can’t they create and develop their own hitters? They seem to have to trade for other teams hitters and trade their pitching to do it. You would think an organization who can create aces out of thin air could rustle up a couple of hitters over the years with their magic hands, no?

    While I am not happy we traded Montero and I do blame Girardi more than Cashman for it, I’m glad Pineda is a Yankee. The guy K’s 1 an inning, doesn’t walk the park and has presence.

    His second half struggles could have been avoided here in NY with the bullpen the Yankees have and the way Girardi adeptly handles it.

    It stinks Jesus is gone and I know every at bat and pitch he sees will be covered ad nauseum in here next season, but the Yankees got a significant player for him who I’m excited to see put one in Youkilis’ ear as soon as possible.

  70. jacksquat January 25th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
    There are team rules and there are TEAM rules.

    Seems like just taking mandatory BP doesn’t sit well in the clubhouse amongst the players.

    Exactly, though I don’t think everyone takes all available BP, but A-rod wanted to start instilling some dedication into Montero early. If you follow the beat writers on twitter/chad here you can often get a sense for who takes extra BP. Cano & Gardner were 2 guys that were probably in almost every BP talked about during the season.

    I wonder if the other guys taking extra bp were also doing catching drills. A lot different than taking infield or shagging (which often gets skipped).

    No one here knows any context to the Arod-Montero story.

  71. blake January 25th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    I still think the Vasquez trade was a decent idea at the time…..it just didn’t work out. The Yankees saw Vizcaino as a future reliever…..and looks like that’s what he’s going to be

  72. Nick in SF January 25th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    So both mouth-frothing grumps and non-mouth-frothing grumps can be against the trade?

    That is incredible diversity. The Wisdom of Crowds at work.

  73. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    “Indeed, sir.”

    ?

  74. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Shame-I really like Stephen King. There’s quite a few of his books that I have yet to read, but luckily my dad owns every book the man has ever written. lol

  75. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Wonder how the Yankee vets regard Sheriff A-Rod handing out his vigilante justice to incoming rookies?

  76. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    “Exactly, though I don’t think everyone takes all available BP, but A-rod wanted to start instilling some dedication into Montero early.”

    I’m genuinely asking this – has there been any more insight into this story, more color? Was the $100 fine meant in good spirit/humor? A rookie hazing/kangaroo court type thing?

    I mean couldn’t ARod have put his shoulder around Montero, take him under his wing, and say “hey kid, I’m going to the cage for extra BP, why don’t you come with me”?

    Do we know more about why the instillation came in the form of a fine rather than simple encouragement?

  77. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    - Shame -
    I prefer the surprise. I Never thought Sean Bean would go.

  78. Bret The Hitman January 25th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    If Vizcaino ends up a reliever that’s a huge relief. We can always re-sign Melky after the season if he duplicates his 2011 breakout year. Melky is still a very young ballplayer with his best years ahead of him.

  79. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    I still think the Vasquez trade was a decent idea at the time…..it just didn’t work out. The Yankees saw Vizcaino as a future reliever…..and looks like that’s what he’s going to be

    Not sure I agree with that. I think he can still be a starter.. his issue is health.

  80. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    “Unlike most Yankee fans, you’re hoping that’s what happens, so you can crow how smart you are and how stupid Cashman is.”

    It’s a given I’m smart . That was established in kindergarten .Just like a lot of others on the blog.

    “crowing” doesn’t work well on the blog because there are too many people who when totally wrong just disappear.

    And being right or wrong isn’t the be all and end all of discussions. It’s how you go about it.
    Sj44 and I totally took opposing positions often but the debate got into good solid baseball stuff.
    As I understand from be, sj is liking this trade.

    It would be very interesting hearing why he likes it.

  81. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Rich, I was wholeheartedly agreeing with this sentiment.

    “Making broad generalizations is often a road to being wrong.”

    Pretty straightforward stuff.

  82. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    King’s been going downhill since “Dead Zone”. Throw in his R\Sox affliction and the guy is DOA. That episode he wrote for “The X-Files” was jump the shark worthy.

  83. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I figured the “Twilight” series would be getting some mentions here, given the strikingly similarity between some members of this forum and 13 year-old girls whose parents won’t let them camp out overnight to attend the movie adaptations’ premieres.

  84. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    That episode he wrote for “The X-Files” was jump the shark worthy.

    Pretty sure he wrote the one with the doll that forces people to hurt themselves right? That was a scary episode.. at least at the time it was. I think I was like 12 so who knows if it was actually scary. Either way, it was very memorable. Anyways, X-files was still super popular for several more seasons after that episode, hardly jumping the shark!

  85. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    “but the Yankees got a significant player for him who I’m excited to see put one in Youkilis’ ear as soon as possible.”

    Youkillis is not the problem.

    How will pineda get out adrian Gonzalez and ellsbury and any other dangerous lefties that the red sox have?

    The dude needs that change ASAP

  86. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    X-Files didn’t jump the shark (for me, at least) until David Duchovny left and what’s his name was brought in. Ugh.

  87. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I’m genuinely asking this – has there been any more insight into this story, more color? Was the $100 fine meant in good spirit/humor? A rookie hazing/kangaroo court type thing?

    I mean couldn’t ARod have put his shoulder around Montero, take him under his wing, and say “hey kid, I’m going to the cage for extra BP, why don’t you come with me”?

    Do we know more about why the instillation came in the form of a fine rather than simple encouragement?

    I think its a kangaroo court/rookie hazing/good humor thing??? Players fine each other for all sorts of stuff. It could be a ‘welcome to the big leagues dont get complacent’ fine by A-rod. Motivating tactic+good for the kangaroo court.

    I didn’t read anything bad into it. Why would Montero share if he felt bad about it?

  88. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    X-Files didn’t jump the shark (for me, at least) until David Duchovny left and what’s his name was brought in. Ugh.

    Agent Dogsh!t I mean Doggett aka T-1000

  89. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    A-rod already has a lot of press with helping the younger latin players that join the team, so I can’t see the fine by A-rod as anything other than good humor, get this kid on the right track move.

  90. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Patrick- :lol:

  91. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I figured the “Twilight” series would be getting some mentions here, given the strikingly similarity between some members of this forum and 13 year-old girls whose parents won’t let them camp out overnight to attend the movie adaptations’ premieres.
    ——————–

    I find this offensive for 13 year old girls :D

    I actually did read the first one and let me tell you I’m not a very picky person when it comes to movies and books (once I commit I generally see things through) but that was probably the most painful experience of my life. I barely finished and did so begrudgingly (I only read those types of books because inevitably they are compared to the Harry Potter novels and I like to at least see if they’re worthy of such a comparison and won’t assume they aren’t unless I read them). It was actually, hands down, the worst book I’ve ever read. There were no layers.. no character development.. nothing of substance. It was truly a terrible experience. If the first book I’d ever read was Twilight I might’ve sworn off literature forever. /rant

  92. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    JF,

    Fair enough.

  93. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    “How will pineda get out adrian Gonzalez and ellsbury and any other dangerous lefties that the red sox have?”

    If Pineda was LH, this trade would make more sense.

  94. NYYanksFan January 25th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    It happened when A-Rod was in Scranton on rehab not when Montero was in NY.

    Montero told him he didn’t take BP in the cage everyday and A-Rod took him to the cage, taught him his routine and told him he was going to be checking on him and if he found out he wasn’t doing them he was going to fine him $100 for everyday he didn’t.

    Montero started following the BP routine everyday and got called up a few weeks later.

  95. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Pineda has good splits vs lefties…

  96. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    - PAT and ERIN -
    I meant jump the shark for King. I too loved the X-Files till Doggett got there. Those episodes are horrible. My favorite episode is the one where the guy can photograph someone and know they are gonna die. Of course, he photos Scully and knows, as does Mulder. Extremely good and overlooked. Also like “Small Potatoes”. I also used to read Dean Koontz till he started pumping out tripe every 3 months or so. Guys like he and Steven King kinda get a book-of-the-month mentality, and start putting books out every 4 months or so and the stuff is junk.

  97. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Randy, he retired lefties at an utterly acceptable rate last season.

    Is it your theory he will not be able to continue doing so?

  98. G. Love January 25th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    The one thing I want to say about the criticism the Yankees get over Hughes, Joba and Kennedy is they are all major league pitchers. None of them flamed out and are out of the league.

    I think back to the Mets generation K and how Wilson, Isringhausen and Pulsipher were supposed to lead their rotation into a dynasty.

    Pulsipher flamed out of the league and was pitching for the Long Island Ducks while still in his prime years.

    Wilson was a bust who was always injured.

    Isringhausen was the only one who was successful and that wasn’t until he became a closer.

    3 guys who were supposed to be generational starting pitching talent and the only 1 who was a real success in the league was a closer in the end.

    With the way Kennedy, Hughes and Joba have turned out I think they are all effective major league pitchers when healthy. It’s just a question of them reaching the ceiling everyone in the media and the fanbase set for them.

    And I do think Dave Eiland was a mistake who impeded progress here but at the end of the day these guys are responsible for their own drive and determination.

  99. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    NYYanksFan , thanks!

    Always good to know more than I did before.

  100. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Donny- ahh…my mistake. Love that photograph episode you mentioned btw.

  101. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “Pineda has good splits vs lefties…”

    But wouldn’t he likely be unhittable v. LHB if he was LH?

    The Yankees have always been built around LH power and LH pitching.

  102. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    @ G Love
    can we expect another guest post?

  103. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    But wouldn’t he likely be unhittable v. LHB if he was LH?

    The Yankees have always been built around LH power and LH pitching.

    Maybe.. It’s not as if he can’t be an ace though. I don’t really care about LH / RH .. I just want good players. Pineda is potentially a great player so I’m pretty happy we have him. I’d be happier if we had Montero though, of course :(

  104. Yankee Trader January 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Have you seen the movie Tinker, Tailor,Soldier, Spy? That may be a weekend activity for me.
    ———–
    Too long slow and Gary Oldham barely speaks till the end of the movie

  105. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    G. Love January 25th, 2012 at 12:37 pmIf Seattle is so adept at creating and developing #1 starters why can’t they create and develop their own hitters? They seem to have to trade for other teams hitters and trade their pitching to do it. You would think an organization who can create aces out of thin air could rustle up a couple of hitters over the years with their magic hands, no?
    —————————

    Some organizations are better in some areas than others.

  106. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    The only 2 Flicks I am now looking to see are “Batman”\Spring and “The Hobbitt”\Thanksgiving. Other than that, “Game oF Thrones” in April. Love The Imp.

  107. Benny Blanco January 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    The kuroda signing is taken forever. Gee whiz!!!!

  108. Benny Blanco January 25th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    * taking

  109. Best To Ever Do It January 25th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Cashman on with Francesa at 3.

  110. pat January 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Buster_ESPNBuster Olney
    Biggest loser in Fielder deal, other than MILW:the Reds. Joey Votto now in line for $250 million-range deal after 2013. Good luck with that.

    Does Votto have the “butts in the seat” factor necessary for a $250 M+ contract?

  111. Joe from Long Island January 25th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    I thought Tinker Tailor was one of the best movies I’ve seen in a long time, but I realize that it may not everybody’s cup of tea.

  112. Patrick January 25th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Buster Olney is.. annoying. Fielder contract means Ellsbury is going to get paid! Fielder contract means Votto is going to get mad paper! Ok Buster we get it

  113. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    But Buster, which team is going to be like the ’98 Yankees?

  114. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    If it’s me, I pass on Kuroda and put his $10 Mill + the $2 or $3 Mill a DH is gonna get=$13 Mill, and sign Beltran. I still do the Montero trade, giving me a rotation of

    (1) CC

    (2) NOVA

    (3) PINEDA

    (4) GARCIA

    (5) AJ\HUGHES
    I still have Beltran’s salary in 2013, but I would let Swish walk, use Beltran to replace Swisher in RF, and look for another DH.

  115. Nick in SF January 25th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Oscar????

    I enjoyed it a lot too, but I agree it’s not for everyone.

    “The Spy Who Came In From The Cold” with Richard Burton is a recommended dvd followup.

  116. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Donnybrook, interesting plan, but I think you’re overlooking the budget-busting factor of having to develop a time machine.

  117. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    - Joe -
    I’m not really into the cloak-n-dagger stuff, though I can watch Harrison Ford in that genre.

  118. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Votto is the same age as Prince.

    Only problem is that he’s going to hit FA two years later.

  119. Ys Guy January 25th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    arod should have fined him $100 for each day he didnt block 100 pitches in the dirt.

  120. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    If we had the same access to the minors back in the 90s as we do today I really wonderful what people would have said about Posada’s ability to catch.

  121. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Or Jeter’s ability to play SS.

  122. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    The Votto speculation is 2 full seasons away, and a ton of water is gonna run under the bridge during that time. On top of that, last season Votto showed he can Not carry the Reds on his back. I DO believe Johnny Cueto is gonna put himself on the level of The Freak and Verlander in 2012.

  123. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    On top of that, last season Votto showed he can Not carry the Reds on his back

    ===============================

    Isn’t a guy on the current Yankees roster who could carry the Reds on his back. That’s a ridiculous criteria by which to measure a player.

  124. Nick in SF January 25th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    If we had the same access to the music of the 90s as we do today I really wonderwall what people would have said about Posada’s ability to hit.

  125. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Only problem is that he’s going to hit FA two years later.

    ============================

    Body type might offset that a little.

  126. G. Love January 25th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    upstatekate,

    I didn’t offer to do one this year. Although I really wanted to pitch Chad to see if he would let me do a guest post as Fake Hank or Fake Gammons, lol.

  127. Bronx Jeers January 25th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Tinker, Tailor , Soldier, Snore….

    I know there’s a good movie in there somewhere but I just had trouble finding it.

    The very next day is saw Dragon Tattoo and couldn’t take my eyes off it. Fincher is very good

  128. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    - Doggy -
    For the $$$ and length of contract they are talking about, that should apply to those types of players. Fielder can do it, Pujols, Kemp is capable, and so is A-Rod to name a few.

  129. Tom in N.J. January 25th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Listen all y’all, it’s a sabotage?

  130. blake January 25th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    The new mission impossible was very good I thought…..I wasn’t expecting much but I thought it was awesome.

  131. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    For the $$$ and length of contract they are talking about, that should apply to those types of players. Fielder can do it, Pujols, Kemp is capable, and so is A-Rod to name a few

    ===================================

    Good point. I remember that time when Arod carried to the Rangers to glor………wait, that never happened.

  132. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Fielder can do it, Pujols, Kemp is capable, and so is A-Rod to name a few.

    When did Pujols/Fielder/Kemp/A-rod ever do it? They never carried a team on their backs.

  133. blake January 25th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    manCBS: Tweets

    DKnobler @DKnobler 40m Teams are waiting for the OK to start bidding on Cespedes. There’s still a feeling that Cespedes really doesn’t want to go to Marlins. Retweeted by Jon Heyman

  134. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Joe from Long Island January 25th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    I thought Tinker Tailor was one of the best movies I?ve seen in a long time, but I realize that it may not everybody?s cup of tea.

    ********************

    Joe-I loved it. I actually think I might go back and see it again.

  135. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    If Kemp is a back-carrier how did the LAD miss the playoffs in his MVP year last year?

  136. austinmac January 25th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Thanks for the movie reviews. Nick, I do remember The Spy Who Came in from the Cold. That was a very good movie.

  137. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Cruise comes back to MI everytime he needs to remind audiences he’s still around, just like Bruce Willis and the “Die Hard” franchise.

  138. GreenBeret7 January 25th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    DKnobler DKnobler
    Teams are waiting for the OK to start bidding on Cespedes. There’s still a feeling that Cespedes really doesn’t want to go to Marlins.

  139. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    If Kemp is a back-carrier how did the LAD miss the playoffs in his MVP year last year?

    ===========================

    It was all Kershaw’s fault.

  140. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    - Jerky -
    ABSOLUTELY disagree. Kemp saw what was goin’ on there, NO team. Nothing to carry. He was outstanding in 2011 and I do Not believe we have seen his best.

  141. Hassey January 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    I’d like to see Laura Posada and Kim Jones in an old-school steel cage match.

  142. Jerkface January 25th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    ABSOLUTELY disagree. Kemp saw what was goin’ on there, NO team. Nothing to carry. He was outstanding in 2011 and I do Not believe we have seen his best.

    Ok you disagree, but it doesnt change the fact that the players you listed have never single handedly carried a team into the playoffs.

  143. Nick in SF January 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Mr. Jeers, the date I took to Tinker, Tailor actually did fall asleep a couple times and then said she liked what she did see enough to want to watch it on dvd in a few months. So we couldn’t really talk about it much after… had to avoid spoilers. :?:

    Then she saw Dragon Tattoo a couple days later and loved it. But I already saw that over Christmas. I liked that one a lot too, very well paced. I really want to get those glasses that Daniel Craig kept molesting and [comment about Rooney Mara redacted].

  144. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “Is it your theory he will not be able to continue doing so?”

    stuckey-

    yes, mine and miguel olivo, his catcher.

    anyone knows that a right handed pitcher with only a fastball and slider is going to have trouble with lefties.

    your stats about lefties probably didn’t separate halves of seasons either i’m guessing.

  145. champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    The Fielder contract does help Ellsbury from the standpoint of his being able to secure a deal length of 9-10 years.

    He won’t be a 20+mil/yr player however if he can get 18mm for 10yrs that would seem absurd but that maybe what he’s inline to command if he can can close to the #’s he put up last year.

    Who would have ever thought it even possible that Ellsbury could be a $180mm player 2yrs ago?

  146. Tarheel In NYC January 25th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Erin January 25th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “Shame-I really like Stephen King. There’s quite a few of his books that I have yet to read, but luckily my dad owns every book the man has ever written. lol”

    Erin, excuse me for butting in here…

    I’ve loved reading Stephen King for a long time now. Have you ever read “The Long Walk”? I had never heard of it until recently, so I downloaded it onto my e-reader. It’s one of his first works, written in 1979.

    Out of everything that I’ve ready by him (and I’ve read a lot!), this is the one that disturbed me the most, creeped me out the most, and the one that I had the hardest time putting down.

    If anyone is a King fan (or a King fan wannabe), I suggest this one!

  147. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    “If Pineda was LH, this trade would make more sense.”

    waaaaaaaaay more sense.

  148. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    - Jerky -
    We can quibble over some players, but when you rule out Pujols, your merely arguing to argue.

  149. grouchonyy January 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Buster_ESPNBuster Olney
    Biggest loser in Fielder deal, other than MILW:the Reds. Joey Votto now in line for $250 million-range deal after 2013. Good luck with that.

    Does Votto have the “butts in the seat” factor necessary for a $250 M+ contract?
    =====
    Votto is Canadian. I can see Toronto betting the ranch on him.

  150. JM January 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    How is the 11/22/63 book? I got it for Christmas but got a bunch of other books as well so have not yet gotten around to reading it….I agree that King has slipped in recent years but this latest book has gotten great reviews.

    I still like the book “The Shining” much better than the movie version, although I realize I may be in the minority here.

  151. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    “Who would have ever thought it even possible that Ellsbury could be a $180mm player 2yrs ago?”

    Likely the same people who think they know exactly how is or isn’t going to emerge as a “impact bat” two years from now.

  152. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    “Mr. Jeers, the date I took to Tinker, Tailor actually did fall asleep a couple times and then said she liked what she did see enough to want to watch it on dvd in a few months. So we couldn’t really talk about it much after… had to avoid spoilers.”

    nick in sf-

    i was wondering what had happened to nurse karloff.

    gb7, pat m, and i thank you greatly.

  153. Chip January 25th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Ok, I haven’t given my two cents on this so bear with me. The Prince Fielder signing is the single most short-sighted deal any club has made in at least the last 3 seasons.

    They are going to be paying $58 million next year (2013) to three guys who play 2 positions.

    The only way to get all three of them into the lineup is to either have Martinez, coming off a torn ACL, catch of Aviles or return Miguel Cabrera to 3b. Either will be defensive disasters for Detroit.

    Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello had better rack up a lot of strikeouts because balls put in play are going to be adventures in the coming years.

    For 2012 of course it makes them a far better team than they were. Prince is a better 1b than Cabrera and Miggy will replace Victor in the DH spot. But this was a gross over-reaction to the Martinez injury.

  154. stuckey January 25th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    “your stats about lefties probably didn’t separate halves of seasons either i’m guessing.”

    That’s true.

    Can you direct him to his lefty splits separated by halves, Randy?

  155. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    The Fielder contract does help Ellsbury from the standpoint of his being able to secure a deal length of 9-10 years

    ============================

    No it doesn’t. Fielder has a lengthy history of production at the highest level. Ellsbury has one outstanding season. Fielder, despite being a walking condo, doesn’t miss games. He’s averaged 160 games played per season the past 6 seasons. Ellsbury has proven a little more fragile.

    Ellsbury has 2 seasons before hitting FA. If they are similar to 2011, then he’s in the conversation for one of these mega deals we’re seeing. Until then? Probably not so much.

  156. Chip January 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Buster_ESPNBuster Olney
    Biggest loser in Fielder deal, other than MILW:the Reds. Joey Votto now in line for $250 million-range deal after 2013. Good luck with that.

    Does Votto have the “butts in the seat” factor necessary for a $250 M+ contract?
    —————–

    And since they traded the other 1b in their organization for Latos – they kind of have to pay Votto.

  157. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Tarheel- I haven’t read “The Long Walk”. Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll definitely check it out. :)

  158. LGY January 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Votto is Canadian. I can see Toronto betting the ranch on him.

    ———

    What do you think they’ll give us for the Canadian Thurman Munson?

  159. Chip January 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    The most interesting part of the Fielder thing – if you look at the NL with Prince and Pujols both gone and Howard missing at least the first half of the season – after Votto, Ike Davis, if he’s healthy, might be the next best 1b in the league.

  160. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    JM- I really liked 11/22/63. Very hard to put down. You’ll have to let me know what you think after you read it!

  161. Tarheel In NYC January 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Erin January 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    “Tarheel- I haven’t read “The Long Walk”. Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll definitely check it out. ”

    You bet! It’s a relatively short read, so it won’t take up too much of your time. If you read it, I’d love to know what you think about it (even if you disagree with me 1 billion percent) :)

  162. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Writers like Steven King, Dean Koontz, etc just do not usually translate well to the screen. Very difficult to get that creepy feeling onto the Big Screen. I did get that feel with “Zodiak”, which was under appreciated.

  163. kd January 25th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    maybe i’m naive but i think the crawford contract has much more to do with the future ellsbury deal.

    outside of jeter/mauer, crawford is the only non-power guy to get a 100 million plus deal. all ellsbury has to do is show he’s healthy and he easily gets 7/150. maybe even 8/180. thoughts?

  164. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    after Votto, Ike Davis, if he’s healthy, might be the next best 1b in the league

    =============================

    F. Freeman and maybe G. Sanchez are probably in the conversation with Ike. Where bats go, Lance Berkman probably merits consideration too. Pretty shallow pool overall though.

  165. Chip January 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Rafael Soriano for Carlos Lee – thoughts?

    Soriano does have an extra year on his contract at $11 mil, but if he doesn’t like it in Houston he could walk away from it by declining that option (or maybe he and the Astros can work something out with it)

    Yankees end up paying $7 mil this year for Lee to be their DH – give him some ABs in LF and at 1b as well.

    It also opens up a spot in the pen if Cashman can’t trade AJ and has to move Hughes out of the rotation.

  166. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    I take Derrek Lee over Ike Davis.

  167. Chip January 25th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    kd January 25th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
    maybe i’m naive but i think the crawford contract has much more to do with the future ellsbury deal.

    outside of jeter/mauer, crawford is the only non-power guy to get a 100 million plus deal. all ellsbury has to do is show he’s healthy and he easily gets 7/150. maybe even 8/180. thoughts?
    ———–

    If Boston gives him that they’re not just crazy, they’re batsh*t crazy.

  168. JM January 25th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Thanks Erin….I plan to start it this weekend.

    Donny,

    I think Zodiak is great. Extremely creepy, well-done. But pretty much overlooked….

    Now back to our regularly scheduled baseball conversation. ;)

  169. upstate kate January 25th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    LGY
    quit trying to trade Martin away…besides he is French Canadian

  170. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Tarheel In NYC January 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    You bet! It?s a relatively short read, so it won?t take up too much of your time. If you read it, I?d love to know what you think about it (even if you disagree with me 1 billion percent)

    *******************

    Absolutely!

    Now I just have to find it in my dad’s vast collection. Knowing my luck, this will be the one he doesn’t have. ;)

  171. hardwired7 January 25th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Did Buster really tweet that Prince Fielder will be on the next Biggest Loser?

    I’m so confused here.

  172. Erin January 25th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    New Post- Girardi: “It won’t be a seven or six-man rotation”

    :arrow:

  173. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    If the Yanks were willing to spend $7 Mill, they coulda signed Pena to DH.

  174. dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    all ellsbury has to do is show he’s healthy and he easily gets 7/150. maybe even 8/180. thoughts?
    ===================================

    He has to show he’s healty AND delivers 2011-like production in both 2012 and 2013.

  175. randy l. January 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Boston – Bottom of 1st SCORE
    Michael Pineda pitching for Seattle SEA BOS
    J Ellsbury doubled to shallow right. 2 0
    J Ellsbury to third on wild pitch by M Pineda. 2 0
    D Pedroia flied out to center. 2 0
    A Gonzalez singled to center, J Ellsbury scored. 2 1
    K Youkilis homered to left (396 feet), A Gonzalez scored. 2 3
    D Ortiz singled to deep left. 2 3
    C Crawford doubled to deep left, D Ortiz to third. 2 3
    J Reddick struck out swinging. 2 3
    J Saltalamacchia singled to right, D Ortiz and C Crawford scored. 2 5
    M Scutaro grounded out to second. 2 5
    5 Runs, 6 Hits, 0 Errors

  176. champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    dogface January 25th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    The Fielder contract does help Ellsbury from the standpoint of his being able to secure a deal length of 9-10 years

    ============================

    No it doesn’t. Fielder has a lengthy history of production at the highest level. Ellsbury has one outstanding season. Fielder, despite being a walking condo, doesn’t miss games. He’s averaged 160 games played per season the past 6 seasons. Ellsbury has proven a little more fragile.

    Ellsbury has 2 seasons before hitting FA. If they are similar to 2011, then he’s in the conversation for one of these mega deals we’re seeing. Until then? Probably not so much.

    _______________________________________________________________

    While that is reasonable thinking that’s just obviously not the way the FA baseball marketplace operates.

    If you don’t believe me ask Jayson Werth….

  177. champ809 January 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    NL 1B rankings ( imo )

    Votto
    Howard- assuming health
    Ike Davis
    Morse
    Freeman
    Berkman- age
    Yonder Alonso
    Carlos Lee
    Goldschmidt
    Matt Gamel
    Anthony Rizzo
    Derek Lee
    Loney

    scary how thin this position is in the NL right now…

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