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Reminder: Williams and Mattingly supporting Hillside Food Outreach

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 26, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Another reminder that Bernie Williams is serving as host at the 10th Anniversary Gala for Hillside Food Outreach. Special guest for the evening is Don Mattingly.

Add this one to the great causes supported by past and present Yankees. If you’re curious, Hillside Food Outreach lists as it’s objective: To meet the needs of the poor and destitute of Westchester and Putnam Counties by delivering food and friendships. So, yeah, if you’re able to attend it’s a worthy cause.

The Gala itself is Saturday, January 28 at the Matrix Conference Center and Ballroom in Danbury, Connecticut. There will be a dinner and auction and the night ends with some dancing while Bernie’s band provides the music.

Go here for more information.

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118 Responses to “Reminder: Williams and Mattingly supporting Hillside Food Outreach”

  1. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Chip January 26th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Irreverent Discourse January 26th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Chip – It’s the responsibility of any proper “game” to create a level playing field for it’s participants. Allowing teams to spend however much money they want on payroll does not accomplish this.

    Proper revenue sharing deal can be a huge benefit to overall competitiveness in major sports leagues. Only then is the ownership alleviated of the responsibility to decide how much of their resources to spend on payroll. They can be entirely focused on developing and acquiring cost efficient talent instead. What the new football agreement just did is essentially perfect. Every football team in the league is literally handed a check for $120-something million dollars because of their TV revenue sharing deal (this actually determines the salary cap each season). Some owners were pocketing that money and putting teams ont he field at 30% of the cap. They are now being told by the league that they must spend 90% of that money every season on payroll. This forces teams to attempt to compete, because now winning and winning efficiently is the only way to “profit” off of that TV money.

    Crying “socialism” is usually just being immature or naive about the larger picture.
    —————-

    The myth is that the NFL’s CBA creates competitive balance – the reality is that it created mediocre football.

    There are no great teams any more, there are still miserable bad teams – the result of mismanagment at the upper levels, but there is no greatness.

    That’s what this CBA will create. The Pirates and Orioles will still be awful because they are poorly run franchises, the difference now is that the Red Sox, Yankees, Angels etc will regress more towards the middle of the pack.

    The goal shouldn’t be regression of the best it should be elevation or elimination of the worst.

    If you want competitive balance and quality game play – eliminate the poorly run franchises or the ones that can’t financially compete, that deepens the talent pool and improves the quality of baseball all around while penalizing organizations for failure not success.

  2. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    “The myth is that the NFL’s CBA creates competitive balance – the reality is that it created mediocre football.”

    “If you want competitive balance and quality game play – eliminate the poorly run franchises or the ones that can’t financially compete, that deepens the talent pool and improves the quality of baseball all around while penalizing organizations for failure not success.”

    Chip, your sentiments are appreciated, but misguided.

    MLB and the NFL are not about “quality of play”.

    They are about quantity of revenue.

    I get people may not like that.

    But it doesn’t change its a irrefutable truth.

    Suggesting MLB eliminate franchises is missing the point.

  3. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    The NFL and NBA are socialist and un-American. MLB is the poster child for capitalism and the true national past time

  4. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    “The NFL and NBA are socialist and un-American. MLB is the poster child for capitalism and the true national past time”

    Or at least was until the most recent CBA.

  5. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Or at least was until the most recent CBA.

    Now I’m sad :(

  6. jacksquat January 26th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    The NFL and NBA are socialist and un-American. MLB is the poster child for capitalism and the true national past time

    Can’t compare general society and MLB. In MLB, if the lesser franchises are too poor it can affect the whole game. In society, the haves can just let the have nots live crappy lives without health care and die horrible deaths and not care.

  7. DONNYBROOK January 26th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Yanks wait a couple yrs to deal with Cano and by then he will be the face of the franchise. At that point you got exactly what we just saw the Cards go through with Pujols. Simply not worth it. Either get an extension or let him know you will be forced to deal him.

  8. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Can’t compare general society and MLB. In MLB, if the lesser franchises are too poor it can affect the whole game. In society, the haves can just let the have nots live crappy lives without health care and die horrible deaths and not care.

    The Pirates wish they could die a horrible death.. have you seen them over the last 20 years? My analogy still holds!

  9. DONNYBROOK January 26th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    What’s capitalistic about having Congress Give MLB an anti-trust exemption?

  10. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Wouldn’t you rather have good teams and mediocre teams than mediocre teams and bad teams?

  11. Nick in SF January 26th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    I laughed at the league with draft slotting and a soft cap until I started following a league with a hard cap and revenue sharing. :cry:

  12. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    MLB was just annexed by the soviets. Someone make a Cespedes Cuban missile crisis joke

  13. yankeefeminista January 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Frank Piliere Live Chat – 1/26/12

    Comment From Jake H
    Some people think Mason Williams will have problems with good breaking balls do you think that?

    Frankie Piliere:
    I don’t see that. Actually, I lean the opposite way on that. Williams has a very compact swing and likes to use the opposite field. Guys who can wait on the ball usually thrive against the breaking ball.

    Comment From Bobby
    Dom Brown for Betances who says no?

    Frankie Piliere:
    Yankees. More because of needs than anything else.

    Comment From Bobby
    Isn’t a lefty hitting DH/future Swisher replacement worth more to the Yankees than Betances

    Frankie Piliere:
    I’m not sure the Yankees see him [Brown] that way or would have the patience for him learning on the job. And, they still value Betances as a potential #1

    Comment From Matt S
    Could you rank Phelps, Warren and DJ Mitchell? Seems like Mitchell gets forgotten about but PP is still pretty high on him.

    Frankie Piliere: Warren, Phelps, Mitchell. Mitchell is going to be a big leaguer.

    More on Yankee prospects here: http://sbb.scout.com/2/1152095.html

  14. DONNYBROOK January 26th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    - Squatter -
    Bud will bail out the “lesser poor franchises”, and Texas too.

  15. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Can’t compare general society and MLB. In MLB, if the lesser franchises are too poor it can affect the whole game. In society, the haves can just let the have nots live crappy lives without health care and die horrible deaths and not care.

    ——————————————————————–

    Actually the new CBA does allow for the rich teams to cut off the poorer teams welfare. As long as a teams stays under the cap their “taxes” get cut significantly.

  16. Rich in NJ January 26th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    “What’s capitalistic about having Congress Give MLB an anti-trust exemption?”

    The exemption was originally a judge-made rule, but the prudence of continuing it depends on your view of lobbying and whether or not money equals speech, but that’s not really a topic for a Yankee blog.

  17. jacksquat January 26th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    I think Texas should be allowed to secede. :mrgreen:

  18. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    “The myth is that the NFL’s CBA creates competitive balance – the reality is that it created mediocre football.”

    “If you want competitive balance and quality game play – eliminate the poorly run franchises or the ones that can’t financially compete, that deepens the talent pool and improves the quality of baseball all around while penalizing organizations for failure not success.”

    Chip, your sentiments are appreciated, but misguided.

    MLB and the NFL are not about “quality of play”.

    They are about quantity of revenue.

    I get people may not like that.

    But it doesn’t change its a irrefutable truth.

    Suggesting MLB eliminate franchises is missing the point.
    —————–

    Stucky – no it isn’t – I’m not saying there shouldn’t be revenue sharing – in some aspects there should be, but it should be in conjunction with elimination of certain franchises – namely those who aren’t competitive.

    My suggestion is fold the following teams:

    Pirates
    Royals
    A’s

    Relocate:
    Tampa to Pittsburgh
    Toronto to Kansas City

    Re-align as needed

    expand the rosters of the remaining teams to 55 players and hold a draft to redistribute the players currently on the 40 man rosters of the folded teams.

    Players on those teams with more than 5 years of ML service are declared free agents
    Players on those teams who are declared free agents but are in the middle of long term contracts have the balance of those contracts paid out by a pool of money generated from all the other teams.

    Ideally I would also like to fold the Marlins, but they just built their stadium and so it would be unfair to not give them a chance.

    Toronto moving is controversial because the city of Toronto is a huge media market but no one supports the team there – I think they’ll do better in KC.

    As for Revenue Sharing the issue is what revenue do you share? In the NFL it’s the TV deal mostly but in baseball that’s impossible. What I would do, out of fairness, is this – teams that are in the lower third of attendance would not only keep all their home ticket sales, but get half the gate for any road trips to teams that are in the top third.

    So for example, Yankees go to Cleveland and the stadium sells out – all that money goes to the Indians. Indians come to NY and it’s a sell out – half that money goes to Cleveland. Cleveland goes to Kansas City – no sharing of gate revenues.

  19. DSJ January 26th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Nothing wrong with pure Utopian Socialism. No human life should be accorded a higher value than any other due to circumstances such as who your parents were. The same concept should apply to baseball. Sports in it’s highest and most noble incarnation should be played on a completely level playing field.

  20. Stoneburner January 26th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Sanchez walked at a greater in low A than Montero – interesting – interesting. . . .

  21. DONNYBROOK January 26th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    With an anti-trust exemption, there technically is Not a “competitive market” which is an essential part of capitalism.

  22. DSJ January 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    No charge for the wisdom. Carry on.

  23. Irreverent Discourse January 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Chip – I actually agree with most of what you’re saying, but this… the reality is that it created mediocre football

    It only seems that way to us because of the all-star teams that were allowed to be created previously. If it had always been this way, there is a lot of very competitive football going on. This new clause where they are forced to spend 90% of their revenue sharing money is also new in football, so the effects of this are not entirely known. The cap itself is enough to limit teams from getting “carried away” with spending money, and the floor is there to force all teams to put their shared money back into the system, rather than let the owners pocket it.

  24. LGY January 26th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Can’t compare general society and MLB. In MLB, if the lesser franchises are too poor it can affect the whole game.

    ——-

    There are parallels here with bank bail outs.

  25. DONNYBROOK January 26th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    So are we comparing MLB to general society, or Bud to Obama???

  26. DSJ January 26th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Thank the universe for Obama.

  27. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    “Stucky – no it isn’t – I’m not saying there shouldn’t be revenue sharing – in some aspects there should be, but it should be in conjunction with elimination of certain franchises – namely those who aren’t competitive.”

    Chip, I didn’t make myself clear. I never mentioned revenue sharing.

    The SOLE purpose of MLB is making a buck.

    Qualify of competition is not.

  28. NYYanksFan January 26th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Todd Dybas
    Montero says he doesn’t touch a bat or glove in the offseason, but works out. Likes to “forget” about baseball a bit and be with family.

  29. UnKnown January 26th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    CompassRosy January 26th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    The old and the new…

    http://tinyurl.com/73q5yjn

    ——–

    I take it Jesus was introduced today to Seattle? I see Prince is having his presser right now in Detroit. Guy looks like he was born to were the Tiger uniform.

    I wonder when Pineda gets his Pinstrips at the Stadium?

  30. dogface January 26th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Sanchez walked at a greater in low A than Montero – interesting – interesting.

    ===================================

    Didn’t he also whiff at a greater rate?

  31. UnKnown January 26th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    I think it’s funny that Dombrowski thanked Boras at the press conference.

    I am sure Boras didn’t mind fleecing the Tigers in this process and deal.

  32. DONNYBROOK January 26th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    The NFL is clearly inferior on a viewing level with NCAA Football.

  33. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    The NFL is clearly inferior on a viewing level with NCAA Football.

    lol what

  34. dogface January 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    The NFL is clearly inferior on a viewing level with NCAA Football.

    ======================

    Really? Explain………..but do so without using the word “chuckers”

  35. NYYanksFan January 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Montero said he listened a lot to A-Rod, Posada, among others when he was at big league level last season

  36. DSJ January 26th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Donnydumb

  37. DONNYBROOK January 26th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    It requires use of the “eyes”.

  38. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    alright – away from political theory and the grand reformation of the game, back to matters at hand – a left handed bat that the Yankees can get for their surplus of pitching.

    I think we can accept that while the ideal situation is someone taking AJ Burnett off the Yankees’ hands it probably isn’t going to happen.

    So the question is what are the Yankees offering?

    I would say (in no particular order)
    Soriano
    Hughes
    minor leaguers

    Actually I lied – that’s exactly the order.

    If we accept that due to his contract Burnett’s going to be on this team then we have to assume that two of the group of Garcia/Burnett/Hughes are going to the pen. That means someone needs to leave the pen – Soriano would probably be the top choice of Cashman.

    So let’s look there first, the contract is not favorable in that it can be 2 years $22 mil if he picks up his option. Given the contract Madson signed, it’s not that terrible either though.

    So what are some players you could possibly get for him?

    Aubrey Huff
    Alberto Callaspo
    Adam Dunn
    Lyle Overbay

    Those are the three names that come to mind first.

    For Hughes you can easily get more depending on what you’re willing to include with him:

    Ethier would be my target for Hughes – or maybe Chase Headley?

    Another name to throw out there – just as a potential target: Adam Lind. Coming off a really bad year maybe Toronto is willing to part with him?

  39. NYYanksFan January 26th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    jlieb24 Montero: when I was 11 I told my dad I was going to hit in majors, be like Edgar Martinez. Met him for first time today

    Montero jokes he hopes to hit 300 home runs this season

  40. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    “Sports in it’s highest and most noble incarnation should be played on a completely level playing field.”

    Isn’t NASCAR guided under this principle?

    It is an interesting philosophical question.

    I think it would be hard to argue that unregulated spending in sports marginalizes preparation performance and game strategy. And even to a degree talent development and evaluation and acquisition in favor of resource building.

    Not that isn’t a legitimate way to be entertained, to be a fan of the better business model, but it isn’t purely sporting, IMO.

  41. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    “Stucky – no it isn’t – I’m not saying there shouldn’t be revenue sharing – in some aspects there should be, but it should be in conjunction with elimination of certain franchises – namely those who aren’t competitive.”

    Chip, I didn’t make myself clear. I never mentioned revenue sharing.

    The SOLE purpose of MLB is making a buck.

    Qualify of competition is not.
    ——————

    Stucky – I agree, but MLB has had no issue making money under the previous system and by eliminating revenue sucks like the A’s, Pirates and Royals you’re slashing the number of hands reaching into the revenue sharing pool without decreasing the number of teams paying into the system. That should make the “poor” owners happy too.

  42. DONNYBROOK January 26th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    I would use Hughes to hit the W\Sox up for De Aza deal. This would also take care of losing Swish in 2013.

  43. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Sports in it’s highest and most noble incarnation should be played on a completely level playing field.

    ————————————————————————————————

    So you propose eliminating the pitcher’s mound ? Not sure how that would help things.

  44. PacoDooley January 26th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Should we care that Kevin Whelan was DFA’d? He had decent numbers, but got caught in the crunch. Funny how the Yankees now have several guys that are out of options and others that have talent but are DFA candidates with the space crunch. I would have though that Justin Maxwell would be the next to go since I believe he is out of options and I don’t see him on the team out of spring training.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Edgar with more power :(

    FY Girardi/Cashman

  46. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Sanchez walked at a greater in low A than Montero – interesting – interesting. . . .

    You’ve brought this up twice now. So what? He isn’t better than Montero as a hitter. He has certain individual skills which may be better but he lacks the HIT TOOL to put them together like Montero can. Maybe he can develop it but look at this comparison. Both were 18, so very young for the league.

    Jesus in Low A: .326 .376 .491 .868 14% SO 6.5% BB
    Sanchez in Low A: .256 .335 .485 .820 27% SO 10% BB

    Sanchez strikes out twice as much (Which is MORE IMPORTANT a factor in development) while not walking twice as much and hit 70 points worse average wise.

    .256 Low A hitters don’t go to the majors and hit .250, they go to the majors and hit .200.

  47. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Jimmy Leyland has announced that Miguel Cabrera is going to be the Tigers’ 3b this year…I’m giddy.

    Not just with him being over there but the combo of him and Peralta. Opposing managers should just tell their guys to bunt in that general direction.

    Yes, the three of them and whomever is at 2b will drive in some runs, but it is going to be an absolute disaster defensively.

    Cabrera wasn’t a good defensive 3b 3 years and 50lbs ago – he’s going to be a nightmare there now.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Sanchez is going to be real good.

    Trying to make people infer he’s going to be a better hitter than Montero just exposes you for the fraud you are.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Sanchez bat will be special, the other kid is a supernatural talent.

    Trying to undercut that talent is pathetic.

  50. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    PacoDooley January 26th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Should we care that Kevin Whelan was DFA’d? He had decent numbers, but got caught in the crunch. Funny how the Yankees now have several guys that are out of options and others that have talent but are DFA candidates with the space crunch. I would have though that Justin Maxwell would be the next to go since I believe he is out of options and I don’t see him on the team out of spring training.
    ——————-

    No we should not.

    Maxwell might stick as a back up outfielder in competition with Dickerson – Yankees liked his offense last year at Scranton until he got hurt – probably want to see what he can do.

    If not, they’ll trade him for a player with minor league options remaining.

  51. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    “.256 Low A hitters don’t go to the majors and hit .250, they go to the majors and hit .200.”

    We agree, however, you’re not limiting him to being the equivilant of a .256 low A hitter in High A, AA, AAA and the majors.

    That we don’t know Gary Sanchez’s ceiling based on his low A stats, right?

  52. DONNYBROOK January 26th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    How many foul pop-ups down the LF line are gonna fall untouched???

  53. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Cabrera might be a historically bad defender at 3B. Should be fun to watch :)

  54. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    We agree, however, you’re not limiting him to being the equivilant of a .256 low A hitter in High A, AA, AAA and the majors.

    G Sanchez is a true prospect right now, raw in every facet of his game, so of course his future is uncertain and he could come out gangbusters next year at Tampa and cut his K rate in half and hit .300 with huge power or whatever. But just looking at his low A numbers, the strike our rate DOES limit his ceiling.

    Just talking about pure prospect projection from where he is at now. Montero at Low A vs Gary Sanchez at Low A is no contest Montero.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    yankeefeminista January 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    Frank Piliere Live Chat – 1/26/12

    Comment From Jake H
    Some people think Mason Williams will have problems with good breaking balls do you think that?

    Frankie Piliere:
    I don’t see that. Actually, I lean the opposite way on that. Williams has a very compact swing and likes to use the opposite field. Guys who can wait on the ball usually thrive against the breaking ball.

    Comment From Bobby
    Dom Brown for Betances who says no?

    Frankie Piliere:
    Yankees. More because of needs than anything else.

    Comment From Bobby
    Isn’t a lefty hitting DH/future Swisher replacement worth more to the Yankees than Betances

    Frankie Piliere:
    I’m not sure the Yankees see him [Brown] that way or would have the patience for him learning on the job. And, they still value Betances as a potential #1

    Comment From Matt S
    Could you rank Phelps, Warren and DJ Mitchell? Seems like Mitchell gets forgotten about but PP is still pretty high on him.

    Frankie Piliere: Warren, Phelps, Mitchell. Mitchell is going to be a big leaguer.

    More on Yankee prospects here: http://sbb.scout.com/2/1152095.html
    ///

    Thanks for posting this, YF. I don’t believe anything attributed to the Yankees, but I like Frankie’s take on Williams, Betances, Warren. Definitely going to make the effort to see a Warren start, if possible, in 2012. I watched Betances eat Domonic Brown for lunch in ST 2010 :D.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Sanchez already has power. Kid made the loudest outs in that Lakewood series of everyone in that loaded lineup. Wonder who he’s playing for in 3 years.

  57. CompassRosy January 26th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    “I take it Jesus was introduced today to Seattle?”
    ========

    yep….(it was also Mariners Media Day)

    http://tinyurl.com/7jo5k54

    63 is a rather high number, no?

  58. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    “But just looking at his low A numbers, the strike our rate DOES limit his ceiling.”

    To?

    “Just talking about pure prospect projection from where he is at now. Montero at Low A vs Gary Sanchez at Low A is no contest Montero.”

    Agreed.

    TBD the value of those projections.

  59. Tackelberry January 26th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    From Twitter:

    “Are Yanks still in on Soler?”

    @YankeeSource: “Borderline at best”

  60. CompassRosy January 26th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    re: Jesus’s high number…

    StoneLarry Larry Stone
    Montero says 63 was number he had with Yankees when he was called up, says “it’s a power number. It has a lot of home runs.”

  61. grouchonyy January 26th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    I think we’re all forgetting that 2014 and the $189 million figure are benchmarks. In the Yankees’ reading of the new CBA, that number puts them in a competitive position looking forward. Penalties will be lower if you start at the 189 mark. All teams will be limited with draft caps. The Yankees and other “rich” teams will reallocate budgets elsewhere. Poor teams will not be able to improve through the draft much past the first round. The poor teams will still be at a disadvantage as to free agents. I expect that the Yankees have figured out the best ways to maximize their assets. It just means waiting until 2014 to see how it will play out. The MLBPA gave in to this a bit too easily for it to restrict big spenders in the long run.

  62. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    From a cost-benefit ratio I guess I complete whiff on the value of going all-in on a prospect like some of you have.

    The upside escapes me.

  63. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    From a cost-benefit ratio I guess I complete whiff on the value of going all-in on a prospect like some of you have.

    The upside escapes me.
    ————–

    Me too – until they’re here and established they’re trade bait.

  64. Stoneburner January 26th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Sanchez strikes out twice as much (Which is MORE IMPORTANT a factor in development) while not walking twice as much and hit 70 points worse average wise

    *************

    Naaah – strikeout numbers are less valuable than an eye for the plate at this stage – fact that he is drawing those walks in nearly 200 less official ABs is eye opening. Plus he came on real strong at the end before the injury – it is a learning process – not just how you begin – got a good eye and better body type to stay at catcher – interesting – interesting. . . .

  65. UnKnown January 26th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/1.....ce-odyssey

    Interesting look at the Marlins new stadium. That thing in Left Center is going to be really ugly though…

  66. Stoneburner January 26th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Supernatural talent – wow – the hype still continues. . . .and frauds are the ones who get rid of their tickets over a trade of a prospect – A PROSPECT – who has not yet delivered at the only level that matters. . . .I could understand the reaction if Mo was let go, or Cano was traded, or heck – even DRob being swapped. . . .

  67. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    To?

    A low average strike out hitter like Mark Reynolds (high end) or Saltalamacchia (a good comp right now). He K’d 20% in GCL and 27% in LOW A. And scouting reports are consistent with his strike out ability. He has light tower power but none of the secret sauce that made Montero’s power astonishing. Maybe he becomes Mark Reynolds at catcher, which would be a HUGE BOON, but in general guys who K 20-30% of the time in the majors with a low average hit for a higher average in the minors because they were better. You generally don’t see 1:1 translations of stats like a .250 25% K hitter jumping to the majors and putting up the same line. You walk less, strike out more in the majors because competition is steeper. Reynolds didn’t really bust out until he got to A+ and above so Sanchez’s future is obviously in his own hands.

  68. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Naaah – strikeout numbers are less valuable than an eye for the plate at this stage

    No, this isn’t true, sorry.

  69. Stoneburner January 26th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Yeah – Sanchez is not a low average hitter – he crushed it in GCL – and you cannot take low A ball overall as the composite – he developed more at the end of the year – to take his .250ish average as the truth of his ability is nonsense – but the fact that he was drawing those walks at such a nice rate to his AB is far more important at this stage. . . .most evaluations of recent good hitters that at the new level the bbs will be dwarfed by Ks and that will increase as the batter makes the adjustments – the fact that Sanchez has already an encouraging amount of bbs shows he is ahead of the curve in that department. . . .

  70. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    High walk, high K guys in the MAJORS like Adam Dunn hit .300 in the minors.

  71. Bronx Jeers January 26th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Montero says 63 was number he had with Yankees when he was called up, says “it’s a power number. It has a lot of home runs.”

    —————————————————————–

    I say Pineda put’s him on his culo in their first meeting. :wink:

    On a semi-related note, did Pineda get assigned a number? I’m hoping for #12. My Jim Spencer jersey is yearning to break free.

  72. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    JF, interesting thanks.

    Curious, what would you make of the ceiling of a player who put up this sort of line as a 18YO in full season low A?

    422 AB
    .268/.328/.382/.710
    7HR
    26.5 XBH%
    8.0 BB%
    16.3 SO%

    Gimme some good news.

  73. Stoneburner January 26th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    Naaah – strikeout numbers are less valuable than an eye for the plate at this stage

    No, this isn’t true, sorry.

    *********

    Apology accepted. Gary has a nice future ahead of him – and I am excited by his developing patience, his body type to catch, his strong arm, his raw power, and the hit tool is there – he put up better numbers in his first year in the state’s than Montero – and had a blistering finish to his 2011 season. Plus – the Yanks only bring over their top prospects stateside without any DSL experience – Montero and Sanchez are a lot more similar than people want to believe. . . .

  74. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Having a good eye means almost nothing at the lower levels of the minors. The strikezone you see in A ball is a lot bigger than AA which is a lot bigger than AAA, etc. Making contact and hitting the ball hard are more important than drawing walks in A ball and below.

  75. LGY January 26th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Pat

    There are a few other problems with your idea in the last thread.

    Bud would have to approve the new contract, the players union might view it as devaluing the contract, and the CBA may have something addressing contract restructuring that it just don’t recall reading.

  76. Stoneburner January 26th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    High walk, high K guys in the MAJORS like Adam Dunn hit .300 in the minors.

    ********

    Sanchez already hit .300 in GCL and hit over .400 down the stretch while launching moon shots.

  77. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    422 AB
    .268/.328/.382/.710
    7HR
    26.5 XBH%
    8.0 BB%
    16.3 SO%

    Gimme some good news.

    Walk rate and SO numbers are just fine. Probably a future hall of famer. Have to get scouting report to say anymore.

  78. Best To Ever Do It January 26th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Sanchez already has power. Kid made the loudest outs in that Lakewood series of everyone in that loaded lineup. Wonder who he’s playing for in 3 years.
    ———————————-

    Probably the Dbacks

  79. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    I don’t think Jerkface is knocking Sanchez, just saying that having a high walk rate in A ball and below really means nothing.

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 26th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Sanchez already has power. Kid made the loudest outs in that Lakewood series of everyone in that loaded lineup. Wonder who he’s playing for in 3 years.
    ———————————-

    Probably the Dbacks
    ///

    Yeah, maybe we can trade him for Randy Johnson. Throw in Cano; maybe this time they’ll take him.

  81. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    For those to whom this is not intended please forgive the following:

    GARY SANCHEZ IS IN A BALL – AT LEAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS AWAY FROM BEING A MEANINGFUL MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYER. THAT IS ASSUMING HE A) CONTINUES TO PROGRESS, B) DOESN’T SUFFER SOME SORT OF INJURY THAT ENDS HIS CAREER OR C) IS TRADED. THE LAST THREE “TOP POSITION PLAYER PROSPECTS” OF THE YANKEES HAVE ALL BEEN TRADED: TABATA, JACKSON, MONTERO. GETTING ALL HOT AND BOTHERED OVER SANCHEZ OR WILLIAMS IS NUTS!”

    —Rant ends—

  82. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Sanchez already hit .300 in GCL and hit over .400 down the stretch while launching moon shots.

    Then hit worse at a harder level. He hit .400 over like 9 games. He has good (not great) walk rate and a terrible strike out rate. He has great power. He needs to fix the contact issues, its certainly within the realm of possibility but doing worse at a harder level does not get brushed aside by ‘crushed the GCL’ (duh its the GCL).

  83. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    sorry – in the rant c should have been “isn’t traded”

  84. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    “Walk rate and SO numbers are just fine. Probably a future hall of famer. Have to get scouting report to say anymore.”

    So your contention is the difference between a likely Mark Reynolds and a potential future HOFer boils down to effective irrelevance of the superiority of all the other numbers and solely rests on 10% points in SO%?

    Wow, I’m learning a lot today, thanks.

  85. NYYanksFan January 26th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Montero said he doesn’t do baseball work off season and A-Rod had to fine him to do cage work in season. Someone in Seattle better ride his a$$ or he might not get the most out of his abilities and that would be a shame.

  86. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Chip,

    Yeah but to be fair, Tabata, Jackson and Montero have all helped us get players via trade so it’s not like any of them have really busted without providing any value. Nady, Marte, Granderson, Pineda. Not bad…

    Half the fun of following prospects is to talk about them with other fans.

  87. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    I don’t think Jerkface is knocking Sanchez, just saying that having a high walk rate in A ball and below really means nothing.

    I don’t think the walk rate means nothing, he will probably walk at a good rate for his career, but that the strike out rate and batting average means something together. He has some facets of plate discipline under control obviously, but if he cannot make contact against the pitchers he is facing now, he will not do any better as that competition gets harder.

    Still a great prospect, but this super passive aggressive, “oh I noticed Gary Sanchez has more walks than Montero… interesting interesting…” deserves some counter arguments.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Sanchez is in A Ball and the top 100 for a reason. But the only reason stupid is foaming at the mouth about him is not because he can recognize genuine talent (if he’s ever actually laid eyes on him), but because he’s carrying out his kiss a s s agenda, shilling and apologizing for Brian Cashman. He wouldn’t know a top hitting prospect if he fell over him.

  89. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    I don’t think the walk rate means nothing, he will probably walk at a good rate for his career, but that the strike out rate and batting average means something together.

    Ok then I will say it, his walk rate means nothing.. until he gets to higher leagues. Comparing his walk rate to Montero’s at the same level and trying to imply that Sanchez > Montero is the dumbest thing I’ve read all day

  90. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    So your contention is the difference between a likely Mark Reynolds and a potential future HOFer boils down to effective irrelevance of the superiority of all the other numbers and solely rests on 10% points in SO%?

    No, but I knew who you posted when you posted it. Miggy struck out half as much and walked at the same rate as a youngster and there is nothing in the numbers there which talks about the scouting report of Cabrera. Minor league numbers aren’t everything, as much as I like major league ones. The ability to consistently make contact with your competition at each level is certainly one major indicator of future success.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Comparing his walk rate to Montero’s at the same level and trying to imply that Sanchez > Montero is the dumbest thing I’ve read all day
    ///

    Point.

    No real opinions, just shills here 24/7

  92. yankeefeminista January 26th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Sanchez’s contact improved incrementally to his comfort level: making adjustments to long season, first time playing in night games and not pulling the ball as much. Can’t get hung up on his stats without the qualifiers, and he raked down the stretch: .433 with 7 home runs in his last nine games. Not worried about his contact rates, going forward.

  93. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    I’m going to say it again. I hope Montero has a HOF career. I’m fine with the trade now, which means I will be fine with the trade if Montero goes to Cooperstown and Pineda goes to Dr. Andrews. I don’t criticize in hindsight.

    So I’m not looking to justify the trade.

    But… hearing a guy who started out very, very slowly each of the last 2 seasons doesn’t do baseball work in the offseason strikes me as interesting.

    Circumstantial without doubt. Perhaps and mostly likely coincidental.

    But noteworthy.

  94. Best To Ever Do It January 26th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 26th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Sanchez already has power. Kid made the loudest outs in that Lakewood series of everyone in that loaded lineup. Wonder who he’s playing for in 3 years.
    ———————————-

    Probably the Dbacks
    ///

    Yeah, maybe we can trade him for Randy Johnson. Throw in Cano; maybe this time they’ll take him.

    ————-

    They can make up for their mistake by finally getting Cano. Hey Jack Z finally got his hands on Jesus

  95. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Chip,

    Yeah but to be fair, Tabata, Jackson and Montero have all helped us get players via trade so it’s not like any of them have really busted without providing any value. Nady, Marte, Granderson, Pineda. Not bad…

    Half the fun of following prospects is to talk about them with other fans.
    ——————–

    I’m fine with that – projecting where he’s going to hit in the 2014 Yankee lineup is going a little off the rails.

  96. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Stuckey,

    And I should say 10% difference in strike outs is the difference between a .300 hitter and a .220 hitter. Look at the 20+% K rate list on fangraphs for 2011 and then switch it to sort by batting average and look at the K rates of those guys. Maybe having 60+ more strike outs doesnt seem like a lot but its also a statement of how well that hitter is making contact. More K’s, more weak contact, more outs, more holes in the swing, lower batting average.

  97. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I’m fine with that – projecting where he’s going to hit in the 2014 Yankee lineup is going a little off the rails.

    Why? It’s fun to project that stuff…

  98. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    As is the assumption that because he’s a Yankee prospect means he’s golden and thus we should be able to get Dan Haren and Jared Weaver for Gary Sanchez.

  99. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    And of course I am in Sanchez’s corner going forward, will see him in lakeland every chance I can get, as he is the Yankees big ticket to supplanting the Cervelli-Russel Munson Hegemony going forward

  100. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Kuroda signing official and Logan signs for just under $1.9 mil. All contracts finished.

  101. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    “No, but I knew who you posted when you posted it.”

    I figured you would :-)

    “Miggy struck out half as much”

    Closer to 1/3rd.

    “and there is nothing in the numbers there which talks about the scouting report of Cabrera.”

    Fair enough, but that seems like a more conservative and measured position than putting Sanchez ceiling as a guy currently setting ML records for strikeouts.

    “The ability to consistently make contact with your competition at each level is certainly one major indicator of future success.”

    Okay, what’s the cut-off?

    If 16% is the best hitter in baseball and 27% is Mark Reynolds, what’s the redline?

  102. jacksquat January 26th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Boone Logan signed for $1.875 mil. I think that’s the last arb case.

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    So I’m not looking to justify the trade.

    But… hearing a guy who started out very, very slowly each of the last 2 seasons doesn’t do baseball work in the offseason strikes me as interesting.
    ///

    You and Stoneburner think you’re smooth but you’re clumsy and transparent. “interesting” is such a deliberately neutral term. No one who’s smart doesn’t see right through you and your little pal. You and he are not troubled by this trade because you don’t have a genuine thing to say, here. You’re mouthpieces for the Yankees.

  104. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    If 16% is the best hitter in baseball and 27% is Mark Reynolds, what’s the redline?

    I would say when you start getting over 25% in the minors.

  105. Chip January 26th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Do the Yankees have to cut someone off the 40 for Kuroda or is that why Whalen was DFA’d

  106. RadioKev January 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    The real question is which fans will be the most bitter about their big prospect trades: Yankees or Red Sox? We’re catching up real fast.

  107. Nick in SF January 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    People who are employed by the Yankees are posting on LoHud?

  108. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    People who are employed by the Yankees are posting on LoHud?

    Yes, I’m actually Brian Cashman

  109. LGY January 26th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    “I feel happy to be a part of such a storied franchise, which is always in contention for a World Series,” Kuroda said. “I am also very proud to be a part of this current team, which boasts so many great players. As a member of the Yankees, I would like to do my part by doing the best I can throughout the season. I hope that I can make a difference in achieving the team’s ultimate goal, which is to win the World Series”

  110. stuckey January 26th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    “People who are employed by the Yankees are posting on LoHud?”

    And apparently this would be a bad thing.

  111. yankeefeminista January 26th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Welcome aboard, Kuroda-san!

  112. Jerkface January 26th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Stuckey,

    If you want an interesting comp for Sanchez based on his Low A look at Mike Stanton. Stanton hit very well at each level (except for when he jumped mid season to AA and struggled, then crushed it when he repeated). More power, but similar walk and strike out rates. If Sanchez hits .300 next year in A+ or A- without reducing the K rate he would be a good best case. .240-.260, lots of dingers, lots of whiffs.

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Patrick, didn’t you say you wouldn’t have made the deal? In which case, I say too bad you’re not Brian Cashman.

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    They get free bobble-heads and SRO for nothing.

  115. Patrick January 26th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Patrick, didn’t you say you wouldn’t have made the deal? In which case, I say too bad you’re not Brian Cashman.

    I wouldn’t have made the deal under normal circumstances. Unfortunately, Levine secretly had my calls forwarded to him and made the deal while i was out at the clubs with my boy Swish

  116. DSJ January 26th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Comparing players in low A. Who is this Jerkface idiot? As if he has any idea whether Montero will be a better hitter than Sanchez. Wow.

  117. randy l. January 26th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    “And of course I am in Sanchez’s corner going forward, will see him in lakeland every chance I can get, as he is the Yankees big ticket to supplanting the Cervelli-Russel Munson Hegemony going forward”

    russel martin is much better when he doesn’t play as much as he did last summer.

    they need to get a back up who isn’t one home plate collision away from being concussed. cervelli should not be counted on because of the concussion problems.
    he really, for his own good, should take a year off to heal up and err on the safe side.

    i’d go with romine.
    boy , did the catcher position ever get boring in a hurry.

  118. randy l. January 26th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    “Comparing players in low A. Who is this Jerkface idiot?”

    DSJ

    yeah, well he’s our idiot. who are you? dumb sj?

    we had a smart sj, but he’s on strike.

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