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A forgotten priority

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 27, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Several year’s from now, when this morning’s Pinch Hitter, Lucas, is telling his son about his first Yankees game, some of the details won’t matter.

Lucas will tell his son that Mariano Rivera pitched in that game, and why should it matter that The Greatest gave up a run? He’ll tell his son that Derek Jeter went 3-for-3, and why should it matter that the Captain wasn’t playing shortstop that day? He’ll tell his son that Robinson Cano hit a grand slam, and why should it matter that the Yankees nearly coughed up that four-run lead?

It was a 6-5 win in the middle of August, and most of us will forget all about it — if we haven’t forgotten it already — and all that will matter to Lucas is that his little boy saw the Yankees, in person, for the first time.

When I looked back at the box score, though, this is what I noticed: Not only was Jeter at DH, but Alex Rodriguez was also on the disabled list, leaving Eduardo Nunez and Eric Chavez to both step into the starting lineup that day. The way the Yankees are configured right now, that’s an impossibility this season.

Jeter and Rodriguez are going to need some DH days, and both spent considerable time on the disabled list last year. Once upon a time — before the DH spot was wide open — finding a backup corner infielder seemed to be a real priority for the  Yankees. It’s no less significant today.

If it’s not Chavez, it needs to be someone like him. The Yankees need to be in a position to fill more than one spot at a time on the left side of the infield. The team has a deep bullpen, more starters than it knows what to do with, a solid catching prospect to stash in Triple-A and four legitimate outfielders. But the Yankees infield depth chart is one name:

Eduardo Nunez (2B, 3B, SS)

Maybe Brandon Laird will have a bounce back year in Triple-A. Maybe Corban Joseph or David Adams will emerge as a big-league ready bat. Maybe Jayson Nix will be a viable fill-in if necessary. There are some possibilities out there, but the Yankees clearly have a left side of the infield that requires depth, and so far, that depth is uncertain.

Another infielder shouldn’t be as important as an everyday designated hitter. But what if it is?

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258 Responses to “A forgotten priority”

  1. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “Another issue with Cashman that I think can’t be overlooked is that he’s apparently never made a transaction that he liked.”

    He loves his what he views as cheap moves, Chip, like the Swisher trade and the Martin signing. It makes me fear that they will be Yankees for far too long.

  2. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “But the Yankees infield depth chart is on name:

    Eduardo Nunez (2B, 3B, SS)”

    ———————-

    That’s some scary sh*t.

  3. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Again – this is why I wonder why the Yankees seem to be moving away from Chavez.

    I think they’re likely hoping that Nunez’s defense improves at ss and 3b or that Laird is able to adapt better to a bench role.

    My guy is still Dan Murphy of the Mets – I think he would be perfect in that role, sort of as a Ben Zobrist super-utility deal. The Mets have Tejada, Ronny Cedeno and Justin Turner so maybe they would be willing to entertain the idea of parting with Murphy (assuming Ike Davis is healthy) in exchange for a pitching prospect like Phelps.

    Outside of him there aren’t too many options – with Betemit and Keppinger recently coming off the board you’ve got Felipe Lopez, Miguel Tejada, etc…

  4. G. Love January 27th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    I guess Cashman doesn’t give a chance to the prospects the more passionate “huggers” want to see.

    It enrages me how Gardner is treated like he was developed by the Pirates and took a spot away from some Yankee farmhand great. I saw guys like Justin Christian get more love than Gardner gets from some in here.

    The argument that the Yankees didn’t pay attention to Robertsen and Nova so they turned out better than Hughes and Joba is so ludicrous I don’t even know what to say.

    If you watch the major league games you’ve seen Robertsen and Nova develop before your eyes. They learned from past mistakes. They overcame the hurdles and patterns that were blocking their success.

    Hughes did not do that. Hughes is either injured or lost on the mound with 1/2 an arsenal and showing no signs of improving that.

    Nova couldn’t get past the 4th inning for awhile but then buckled down, did his work and got past that hurdle. He even started to miss more bats which was another criticism of him.

    Robertsen, who doesn’t have the natural stuff Joba does, passed him by in the pecking order by outworking him.

    You think the Yankee pitching coach says “Hughes and Joba are with me, Robertsen & Nova I don’t care what you do because Baseball America told me not to care?”

    So dumb to see people put that out there.

    The difference between Hughes and Joba & Nova and Robertsen is prospect hugger hype. All the “generation arms” nonsense and the expectations put on Hughes and Joba by fans who had to call them “Generation K” (ugh) is why their career path seems off to some.

    As far as I’m concerned they both helped the Yankees win a title. They are both major league pitchers and they both need to get healthy and dedicate themselves to conquering the patterns in their careers that have held them back.

    Nova and Robertsen didn’t do it pitching with Mo in the parking lot outside of Yankee stadium while Cashman wasn’t looking and to assert nonsense like that only makes one look like a petulant prospect list fanboy.

  5. Erin January 27th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Big week for #20 :)

    Dlauraposada This weekend Jorge will be inducted in Latin American International Sports Hall of Fame

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 27th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    OT – I’ll probably share this twice, once with the daysters and then again later with the nightsters. Someone sent me this video yesterday and I cried all the way through it. I’m tempted to say that if this doesn’t get to you, you can’t have a soul – but not everyone responds the same way.

    It kind of made me realize (at least for now) that who the Yankees get to DH really pales in comparison to some of the stories out there. Here’s a piece of real life.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W86jlvrG54o

  7. Stoneburner January 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    G. Love –

    Good post.

  8. CashmanSUX January 27th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Left side of the infield (behind ARod and Jeter) BETTER not be this big a question mark.

    If Eduardo Nunez is enough to cause Cashman to slam on the brakes on a Cliff Lee deal, he better be pretty damned good!

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Shame,

    No one wants them to indulge in sentiment and avoid a move whose time has come.

    That’s not at all what I’m saying. The question is, why did they feel the compulsion to orchestrate this batting Posada ninth “moment” for a national broadcast against the Red Sox?

    His contract was going to be up at the end of the year, and there was no way anyone expected him to be re-signed, nor was there any public pressure to do so. They wanted to bury him during the season, so they chose to stage something he knew was designed to humiliate him and cause him to respond angrily. So, tell me, is that “just doing business”??

    The Joba thing in 2010 was also gratuitous and phony. Hey, you don’t believe in him as one of your starting five, you’ve given up his development plan. So why stage a fake competition?

    The problem is, they’re not just doing business, they’re going out of the way playing charades to justify the choices they make. Make your choices and STFU.

  10. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    “If Eduardo Nunez is enough to cause Cashman to slam on the brakes on a Cliff Lee deal, he better be pretty damned good!”

    Cashman sucks because he doesn’t give prospects a chance.

    Cashman sucks because he holds onto prospects when he should deal them.

    I believe the anti-Cashman movement needs to get on the same page with their talking points.

  11. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    All the “generation arms” nonsense and the expectations put on Hughes and Joba

    ————————

    All of that started with Cashman hyping them up. The expectations were created by him. “Top of the rotation starters, number 1 ceilings, ace potential, etc”

  12. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Love Murphy. As I have said numerous times, I would do a Bay\Murphy for AJ\Nunez. Yanks can control the AB’s in regard to Bay’s vesting year being triggered. Murphy is one of the most under appreciated players in all of MLB. The guy reminds me of Leyritz when he was just starting out. You can fault him for some of his defense, but that bat of his is getting better and he is on the verge of being recognized as a offensive star. The knee injury ended a season that was revealing just what an offensive talent this guy is. Cashman needs to dump AJ, get that (L) bat he’s looking for in Bay, and add a rising star\Murphy while the Mets are in disarray.

  13. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    -SUX -
    Where the hell ya been??? Missed your keen insight around here.

  14. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    “I used to like him,”

    First it was Torre then Girardi and now Cashman. Who’s next? Probably the next Yankee manager.

  15. Crawdaddy January 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Great post, G. Love

  16. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    The Joba thing in 2010 was also gratuitous and phony. Hey, you don’t believe in him as one of your starting five, you’ve given up his development plan. So why stage a fake competition?

    ——————————————

    That was stupid they should have sent him down but they went into the whole “best arms come north with the team” statement

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    As for development, I’m talking about developing starting pitchers.

    If they had any sort of competence doing that, they wouldn’t have wasted Montero to get someone else’s young starter.

    That futility cost them a game-changing uber bat born to club in Yankee Stadium. The farm, when it comes to developing starters, has been a tease.

    They easily could have gone to work with the Kuroda signing, plus Hughes and Nova, maybe add Joba late in the season or Noesi. They also have CC, and Garcia. The pitching would have been fine, and I’ve said all along I expect Hughes to be strong.

    Betances and Banuelos also could have stepped in in September. If they stay healthy, they’re both going to take another step. Both are elite prospects. If neither are traded, let them come up and get the benefit of Rothschild.

    Eiland and Eppler are both butchers. One can’t develop talent, the other can’t judge it.

  18. Pat M. January 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    G. Love hits a round tripper this morning…..Well done

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    The Joba thing in 2010 was also gratuitous and phony. Hey, you don’t believe in him as one of your starting five, you’ve given up his development plan. So why stage a fake competition?

    ——————————————

    That was stupid they should have sent him down but they went into the whole “best arms come north with the team” statement
    ///

    Best, not sending him down can’t be sugarcoated or rationalized. Too big an upside to have never brought him back to the mentor who had truly helped him take a huge step.

    Inexplicable, indefensible.

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Dlauraposada This weekend Jorge will be inducted in Latin American International Sports Hall of Fame
    ///

    Congrats, Jorge

  21. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    The Joba thing in 2010 was also gratuitous and phony. Hey, you don’t believe in him as one of your starting five, you’ve given up his development plan. So why stage a fake competition?

    ——————————————

    That was stupid they should have sent him down but they went into the whole “best arms come north with the team” statement
    ///

    Best, not sending him down can’t be sugarcoated or rationalized. Too big an upside to have never brought him back to the mentor who had truly helped him take a huge step.

    Inexplicable, indefensible.

    ———————-

    And he had options that’s the thing that’s crazy. It’s not like he was in danger of being claimed or anything like that. But nooooooooooo they decided let’s put him in the pen for the rest of his career smh.

  22. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “All of that started with Cashman hyping them up. The expectations were created by him.”

    Considering a major element of his job description is creating value in his players for trades, are we REALLY criticizing him for this?

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Applaud them for the way they’ve integrated everyday players??

    That’s a tad hollow, considering that the guy who trumped all but Cano and who could have extended the lineup and compensated for the concerning age in it, the most important young hitting prospect that was ready as rain to have a huge impact, they got rid of.

  24. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “But if these prospects don’t get a real chance, as opposed to the token one they gave Chamberlain, the farm will be nothing but a place to develop trade chips.”

    One more time.

    Why don’t Brett Gardner, Eduardo Nunez, Ivan Nova, David Robertson and Phil Hughes count?

  25. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “All of that started with Cashman hyping them up. The expectations were created by him.”

    Considering a major element of his job description is creating value in his players for trades, are we REALLY criticizing him for this?

    ————————

    When they don’t live up to his lofty expectations sure. He put the burden of carrying the rotation on their shoulders. Wasn’t he the one that said the Yankees will develop pitching and acquire bats yet the very next yr when the big 3 struggled he dropped serious money on CC and AJ.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Phil Hughes??

    They have such an abiding faith in his ability to bounce back they had to give up their best bat to get another young starter.

    And even though Pineda has a dazzling arm, Girardi probably sees the move, at worst, as addition by subtraction.

  27. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Guys get a chance as long as they don’t fail horribly at the beginning

  28. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “First it was Torre then Girardi and now Cashman. Who’s next? Probably the next Yankee manager.”

    So you can’t change your opinion with new facts?

    Do you keep your opinion of people when facts change?

  29. Stoneburner January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Guys get a chance as long as they don’t fail horribly at the beginning

    *********

    Yeah b/c goodness knows that Cano was hot in those first few series and went 0 for 20ish before collecting his first hit when he replaced Womack – or Robertson and his 5 ERAish in his first taste of coffee.

  30. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    “Phil Hughes??”

    So your answer to my question about 5 players is to name ONE of them still on the Yankees roster and quite possibly a member of the 5 man rotation?

    I just want to be clear on that?

  31. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    In regard to Hughes, I believe his problem is between the ears. It is extremely difficult for players that have Always enjoyed success, and Always been heralded at whatever level they have played at, to try something new, especially when under the microscope at the MLB level. Hughes was supposed to be learning\using a change-up last ST, but once the regular season started, that became a memory. Once Hughes admits to himself that what worked previously just doesn’t cut it with MLB lineups, he will begin to flower. Till then, he’s lost in that strange place that is sandwiched between confidence and arrogance. I’m also afraid that TEX and the “going the other way” swing is gonna end up in this strange place.

  32. Stoneburner January 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    “But if these prospects don’t get a real chance, as opposed to the token one they gave Chamberlain, the farm will be nothing but a place to develop trade chips.”

    One more time.

    Why don’t Brett Gardner, Eduardo Nunez, Ivan Nova, David Robertson and Phil Hughes count?

    *******

    This is a real good question. . . .

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Guys get a chance as long as they don’t fail horribly at the beginning
    ///

    Except I don’t think those guys would have failed had Rothschild, and not Eiland, had been the pitching coach back then.

    This is what is so frustrating. Rothschild has found a way to help Chamberlain, who was really throwing the ball well last year, and whose velocity was all but restored. Seeing that, why couldn’t they just declare it a new day, let LR work with the good young arms that were already here, including intercepting the Bs when they arrive, be it late in the season (one of them) or out of ST 2013.

    Why couldn’t they have just had faith in that, instead of fundamentally screwing with the lineup?

    Guys like Eppler, Girardi, and in the past, Eiland…these were the wrong guys. We’re stuck with them for the present, and they have harmed the future.

    The one great move was bringing Rothschild here. He’s even been able to get through to AJ Burnett. Why couldn’t they have just left well enough alone.

  34. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “He put the burden of carrying the rotation on their shoulders.”

    Not by anything he SAID (which was the context of your criticism), it was by installing them in the starting rotation.

    “Wasn’t he the one that said the Yankees will develop pitching and acquire bats yet the very next yr when the big 3 struggled he dropped serious money on CC and AJ.”

    I don’t understand, you’re critcizing him for acquiring Sabathia?

    As best as I can understand, the true premise of your criticism is less about Cashman’s moves, and more about his public comments.

    Suggestions: Fans should stop regarding what Brian Cashman says in public as if he’s standing in your living room, clasping your hand, looking you soulfully in the eyes, and giving YOU his word.

    Take everything and ANYthing he says that you and I are privy to with a grain a salt.

    Grade him on his results. Grading him on his comments is just insipid.

  35. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    When Cashman hypes up a prospect (as he did with Noesi this winter) keep in mind that in some cases he might be putting lipstick on a pig.

    Again, I don’t believe that if Brian truly thought he was dealing the next Mike Piazza he would have done it. I think that beyond his defensive limitations there are voices in the organization that question Montero’s work ethic and maturity – very similar comments to what we heard before the Yankees moved Tabata.

    Also, for all the talk about how Montero would be at least like Miguel Cabrera it is worth noting that when Cabrera was Montero’s age he was hitting 33 HRs in the majors – Montero was putting up decent numbers in AAA. But that’s neither here nor there.

    I think some of what Cashman does is for appearance – it doesn’t look good if you run out and tell the world “Yes! I just got a potential ace pitcher at 22 years old for a guy with a good bat, no glove and a sketchy work ethic!” So instead he goes the other way with it. “woe is me woe is me…what did I just do???”

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    If it’s being asked of me, it’s not a relevant question.

    I said I was referring to pitching prospects. I left out a modifier, so run off to the races to play a game of indignation, even though it has nothing to do with my original point.

    And JFTR, Brett Gardner as a hitter is not going to mitigate against Alex and Jeter getting older, nor is Nunez, since he’s not going to be an everyday player. If they could find a way to get Nunez in the lineup, that would be helpful. He, along with Cano and Granderson, have reliably fast bats.

    The bottom line: they just traded away an OPS monster and elite hitter who could have caught at least some of the time. NO credit for developing everyday players, since they apparently don’t get it.

  37. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “But if these prospects don’t get a real chance, as opposed to the token one they gave Chamberlain, the farm will be nothing but a place to develop trade chips.”

    One more time.

    Why don’t Brett Gardner, Eduardo Nunez, Ivan Nova, David Robertson and Phil Hughes count?
    ———————–

    Phil Hughes is anything but a sure thing…as for the others, it goes back to what I said earlier, it seems that the Yankees are better at developing their second level guys than they are their top prospects.

    Gardner, Nunez, Nova, Robertson have all had or are having better ML careers than top prospects like Joba, Navarro, Jackson, Brackman and Tabata. It makes me think that for all their talent, Banuelos, Sanchez and Betances won’t have as much impact as major leaguers with the Yankees as would guys like Phelps, Almonte, Murphy and Warren.

  38. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    “The bottom line: they just traded away an OPS monster and elite hitter who could have caught at least some of the time. NO credit for developing everyday players, since they apparently don’t get it.”

    Which could well be a turning point in the franchise’s next 5-10 years, maybe for the better or maybe for the worse. That’s up to all of us to decide.

    If we think it’s for the better, then it’s logical to think more highly of the decision-makers. If we think it’s for the worse, then are we supposed to just nod our heads like bobblehead dolls?

    I don’t get why we need to be sheep and just continually think everything is copacetic if we think it isn’t.

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    “Phil Hughes??”

    So your answer to my question about 5 players is to name ONE of them still on the Yankees roster and quite possibly a member of the 5 man rotation?

    I just want to be clear
    ///

    I already discussed this. You’re so disingenuous, though, that you ignored that I was referring to pitching prospects. They get credit for Nova. Robertson is a reliever, and if he were not, they would have found a way to make him one. Turning starters into relievers, they have a great aptitude for.

  40. EsquireMatt January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    It doesnt matter who the Yanks have as ss/3b depth or at DH. ESPN is reporting that the Tigers already won the 2012 World Series.

    /sarcasm

  41. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    I just do Not see a slew of trades that have only Cashman’s fingerprints on ‘em. That’s Not his fault. Until recently, he did not have the power he currently enjoys, and I do believe he enjoys it based on how frequently he Now jacks his jaws. I guess if we are gonna critique Cashman, we need to come to an agreement as to just When he ascended the throne. I would Start with the Grandy Deal, and give him a big thumbs up there. Cashman gets extra credit in that same deal for getting rid of Phil Coke. In general, Cashman’s failures are more about who he buys\signs, than the extremely few trades he has master minded.

  42. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    The bottom line: they just traded away an OPS monster and elite hitter who could have caught at least some of the time. NO credit for developing everyday players, since they apparently don’t get it.
    ——————

    Look, I am with you on the development of the pitching prospects – it’s a huge peeve of mine that Nardi Contreras is still part of this organization at all let alone in that position.

    As for this last bit though – we don’t know what the Yankees traded away. He’s a potential monster sure, but his numbers this past year at AAA weren’t exactly knocking my socks off. Some will say he was bored and not trying, well doesn’t that speak to a larger issue about the man?

    Anyway…in every deal you have to give to get and while Montero might be a top of the line hitter for the next decade, so too might Pineda be one of the best pitchers in baseball as he develops.

  43. Stoneburner January 27th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    As for this last bit though – we don’t know what the Yankees traded away. He’s a potential monster sure, but his numbers this past year at AAA weren’t exactly knocking my socks off. Some will say he was bored and not trying, well doesn’t that speak to a larger issue about the man?

    Anyway…in every deal you have to give to get and while Montero might be a top of the line hitter for the next decade, so too might Pineda be one of the best pitchers in baseball as he develops.

    ********

    A very good and practical post – let’s just wait and see how the trade plays out without boasting generational monickers and stating absolutes of “will” – and instead use qualifiers such as “potentially” – that is the problem.

  44. Howe Farr January 27th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    “I just do Not see a slew of trades that have only Cashman?s fingerprints on ?em.”

    Clemens
    Arod
    Justice
    Granderson
    Swisher
    Knoblauch

  45. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    “I said I was referring to pitching prospects.”

    So why doesn’t Ivan Nova and David Robertson count?

    As to Hughes, your answer seems to be that the acquisition of Michael Pineda demonstrates Phil Hughes hasn’t gotten a chance.

    Phil Hughes has spent parts of the last 5 season on the NY Yankees roster, including the majority of the last 3. He’s made 71 career starts, and has effectively begun each of last 4 seasons a a member of the starting rotation.

    He remains on the roster and is a strong candidate to begin his 5 season as a member of the starting rotation.

    So let me ask again for clarity: You don’t think Phil Hughes has been given a “real chance”?

    “And JFTR, Brett Gardner as a hitter is not going to mitigate against Alex and Jeter getting older, nor is Nunez, since he’s not going to be an everyday player.”

    This is a retort to what exactly?

    “The bottom line: they just traded away an OPS monster and elite hitter who could have caught at least some of the time. NO credit for developing everyday players, since they apparently don’t get it.”

    “I said I was referring to pitching prospects. I left out a modifier.”

    I don’t think you know what you are referring to. You say you are only referring to pitching prospects, and then a few sentences later, criticize them for not developing everyday players.

    So I’m back to square one – why doesn’t Brett Gardner count?

    Forget a modifier again?

  46. Bo knows January 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    I can see Cashman and Girardi huddling in the bowels of Yankee stadium and then skulking off to do the dire deed. – “We have to get rid of Montero before he becomes a fan favorite”.

    People, give your head a shake. This was a critical crossroads in Yankees strategy. I’m sure there was input by every management team member, they probably gamed scenarios both ways and came to a tough decision.

    If Cashman is bright enough to build a scouting staff from scratch in five years, to where they’re #6 in baseball, if he was bright enough to bring in scrap heap starters last year, build the best BP in the Majors and so on, he was bright enough to see the dangers and pitfalls. You don’t put together a management team and then ignore their input. Cashman is the linchpin that drives the multi billion empire. Fans fail to realize the complexity of his job. And then you have the interference of the suits, ie A Rod and Soriano.

    Here’s your handicap Cash and “Oh by the way, we have to be below 189 mil by 2014 and you can’t go above 210 this year. Oh yes, our fans expect the WS this year. See to it”.

    Compare him to Theo the boy genius who went skulking off to Chicago with his tail between his legs and maybe embrace him a little.

  47. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    “If we think it’s for the better, then it’s logical to think more highly of the decision-makers. If we think it’s for the worse, then are we supposed to just nod our heads like bobblehead dolls?

    “I don’t get why we need to be sheep and just continually think everything is copacetic if we think it isn’t.”

    You don’t.

    The issue is not the existence of criticism.

    It’s been the substance and quality of much of it.

  48. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    I like the Pineda deal. Montero can hit 80 HR’s and it will Not matter to me. The guy was an unmoveable block of granite behind the plate, and a blockhead in the Clubhouse. This attitude that was being grumbled about by teammates after Only 1 month in The Bigs, woulda been a hinderence for both the team and Montero All season. I don’t blame him for this, I blame the coaches that did not straighten this prima donna out long ago. Pineda will More than hold up his end of this transaction. I’ll go on record now and say Pineda wins at least 15 games with the Yanks in 2012. Pineda and Nova will soon be the tandem that is the talk of MLB.

  49. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    “Not by anything he SAID (which was the context of your criticism), it was by installing them in the starting rotation.”

    He touted them as high end arms that would allow them to not spend money on FA arms.

    “I don’t understand, you’re critcizing him for acquiring Sabathia?”

    I’m criticizing him for forcing his young arms to be aces right out the box only to realize he missed judged it and then had to cover his mistake by signing two pitchers in the off season.

    “Grade him on his results. ”

    His results haven’t been that good either in regards to developing starting pitching.

  50. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    - FARR -
    Granderson I sighted. The others????? Get outta LF, and come on back to The Game. Knoblauch???? HAHAHAHAHAHA

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    If we think it’s for the better, then it’s logical to think more highly of the decision-makers. If we think it’s for the worse, then are we supposed to just nod our heads like bobblehead dolls?

    I don’t get why we need to be sheep and just continually think everything is copacetic if we think it isn’t.
    ///

    For some reason, it causes some here great anxiety to continue to discuss only the biggest trade in Cashman’s tenure. Either they don’t want to contemplate how big a mistake it may have been, or they like the trade and don’t understand what all the “fuss” is about. Whatever their view, it’s a Yankee discussion board, not a cheerleading squad or romper room. If independent thinking is a problem for them in here, it probably is in life, too. Too bad.

  52. Stoneburner January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    I don’t blame him for this, I blame the coaches that did not straighten this prima donna out long ago.

    *********

    I blame the hype machine that is all connected now – from ESPN/BA to the fan boys and huggers – of creating out-sized expectations and already saying it will happen – instead of letting in naturally develop and appreciating it if does happen. But make no mistake – the Yankees use the hype – and have used the hype of their prospects for years as well. I think in the end – everyone is to blame possibly – except Pineda. . . .

  53. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    This is what is so frustrating. Rothschild has found a way to help Chamberlain, who was really throwing the ball well last year, and whose velocity was all but restored. Seeing that, why couldn’t they just declare it a new day, let LR work with the good young arms that were already here, including intercepting the Bs when they arrive, be it late in the season (one of them) or out of ST 2013.
    —————————-

    Because he had trouble developing and acquiring impact starting pitchers so he had to trade for it.

  54. Stoneburner January 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    For some reason, it causes some here great anxiety to continue to discuss only the biggest trade in Cashman’s tenure

    **********

    Oh BS – the Justice trade gets them that 2000 WS and a three peat. The Brosius trade gets them a clutch homer off of Hoffman. The non-Adam Eaton and Reggie Taylor for Andy Pettitte deal saves the late 90s dynasty.

    We do not know what Montero will become – we can guess – but to base that Cashman’s biggest trade on speculation is the most foolish thing I have heard since canceling season tickets over this trade. . . .

  55. Howe Farr January 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Get outta LF, and come on back to The Game. Knoblauch???? HAHAHAHAHAHA
    _____________________________________________________________-

    I dont know what this mean, i will try to decipher it, but i rather not try to understand your gibberish.

    However, Chuck Knoblauch was a member of 3 world series championship and put up decent number with the Yankees, 272/366/402, which I will take over Eric Milton?s career numbers.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Look, I am with you on the development of the pitching prospects – it’s a huge peeve of mine that Nardi Contreras is still part of this organization at all let alone in that position.
    ///

    I have no information that Contreras is part of the problem. Does he have autonomy in terms of how they handle arms, or is he just a roving Pitching Instructor who travels around and makes sure his marching orders from above are being carried out? He was a pitcher, so I would think it’s inevitable that he has some mentoring influence. What don’t you like? Shelving sliders for curveballs? Although if that was a trend, whether to avoid injury or not, it seems to be reversing. What is it, in particular, that you don’t like about Nardi? I’m asking genuinely. What’s wrong with him, IYO?

  57. randy l. January 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    “Cashman takes a lot of heat, some of it deserved, but his job isn’t to appease the fan base,”

    whose job is it then?

    if there are no fans there is no pro game.

    baseball becomes pick up games by die hard amateurs which is not the worst thing in the world.

    some of the most intense sports action i have ever been involved in was two person beach volleyball where the only thing at stake was holding the court and bragging rights.

    when some of my pro baseball friends came and watched they were in disbelief how serious the game was. i asked the yankees triple a center fielder, a kid nickenamed “z” who was a roommate at the time if he wanted to learn to play.

    this was right after he saw a player get 6 packed by a spiked ball that flattened a nose with quite a bit of blood pouring out of it.

    he decided drinking beer while sitting in a beach chair watching the action and girls was way more fun.

    but i digress
    baseball without management paying attention to fans would be likely end up with fans not paying to watch baseball.

    so is cashman’s job to appease fans?
    ultimately it is.

  58. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    “Oh BS – the Justice trade gets them that 2000 WS and a three peat.”

    Talk about BS. We don’t know what would or what wouldn’t have happened but for any given event. That doesn’t mean the Justice trade wasn’t good, but your logic is hardly sound.

  59. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    I would absolutely love it if the Yankees turned around and said to Joba, “you know what big fella – with D-Rob back there with Mo – we’re going to work you back during your rehab as a starter, not a reliever. Let’s give you a real chance to heal this thing up and see what happens.”

    Now, I know it won’t happen, we all know it won’t happen. The odds are better that Joba’s on a new team 3 years from now than that he’ll be a starting pitcher for the Yankees.

    The Yankees are very deep with young starter options at this point and so there’s no point in their eyes to add Joba back into that mix.

    Bottom line for me is that in my opinion within a 5 year span Kennedy, Hughes and Joba will go from being the wave of the future to not with the Yankees. That’s the risk with prospects – especially when you don’t get the best out of your development personnel.

  60. pat January 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Based on some of Montero’s comments the last few days, I’m wondering if he could have done more to be considered untouchable or if his trade bait status was just a given because of his upside.

    Aside from the comment about Alex “fined” him to hit more; he said yesterday he doesn’t touch a glove or bat at home in Venezuela just works on running and conditioning because he gets fat when he doesn’t and he didn’t always listen in the minor leagues.

    Montero is ultimately responsibile for his development but I would think someone should be taking a look at the minor league staff too to see if they are doing enough to get the attention of the kids who aren’t listening.

  61. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    - Stoney -
    Even Cashman got in on the act with the “Pujols has Montero’s swing” baloney. I realize Cashman was acting like a used car saleman at the time, but the trade was Not a certainty, and that kinda BS only leads to unfullfilled expectations = frustration for both the player, and the fan base.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    EsquireMatt January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    It doesnt matter who the Yanks have as ss/3b depth or at DH. ESPN is reporting that the Tigers already won the 2012 World Series.

    /sarcasm
    ///

    The Tigers have improved themselves, there’s no doubt. Jacob Turner will probably make that rotation this year. That’s a nasty arm to add to Verlander and Scherzer is a power arm, too. Their infield defense won’t be stellar, but they’ve got a few swing and miss starters.

  63. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Stoneburner January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    I don’t blame him for this, I blame the coaches that did not straighten this prima donna out long ago.

    *********

    I blame the hype machine that is all connected now – from ESPN/BA to the fan boys and huggers – of creating out-sized expectations and already saying it will happen – instead of letting in naturally develop and appreciating it if does happen. But make no mistake – the Yankees use the hype – and have used the hype of their prospects for years as well. I think in the end – everyone is to blame possibly – except Pineda. . . .

    ———————

    I think everyone uses it. I’m sure if we went on the boards of Red fans or Nats fans they were screaming about how much they had to give up for Latos and Gio compared to how little the Yankees gave up for Pineda.

    I’m sure there’s a segment of Mariner fans that are livid over giving up a burgeoning stud pitcher and a top pitching prospect for a DH and back of the rotation starter/swing man out of the pen.

  64. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    The Boss was still front and center when Knobs was acquired and the same goes for Justice and Clemens. Cashman can be credited for Grandy, but the other players are all The Boss.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    The problem is not that Cashman was sandbagging, the problem is, he’s right.

  66. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    - Stoney -
    Even Cashman got in on the act with the “Pujols has Montero’s swing” baloney. I realize Cashman was acting like a used car saleman at the time, but the trade was Not a certainty, and that kinda BS only leads to unfullfilled expectations = frustration for both the player, and the fan base.
    —————–

    I think Cashman was being tongue-in-cheek when he said that. I’m certain that if Brian really thought he had Albert Pujols/Miguel Cabrera/Manny Ramirez/Mike Piazza on his hands he wouldn’t have traded him.

  67. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    “Either they don’t want to contemplate how big a mistake it may have been,”

    Might be a HUUUUUUUGGGGEEEEEE mistake.

    Really.

    “or they like the trade and don’t understand what all the “fuss” is about.”

    Or they like the trade and do understand what all the “fuss” is about.

    It’s your inability to see these things as anything but mutually exclusive that’s the problem.

    And again, this speaks to the substance and quality of the discourse. You and Rich are back-patting one another for not being “bobbleheads”, yet in the same paragraph you’re doing that, you’re essentially dismissing any positive viewpoint of the trade as based on ignorance, denial or misunderstanding.

    It’s an impressive achievement to expose yourself as a hypocrite mid-sentence.

  68. Howe Farr January 27th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Cashman can be credited for Grandy, but the other players are all The Boss
    ______________________________________________________________

    That is your opinion, not fact. But i know that is what you deal with, so its useless to argue otherwise.

  69. randy l. January 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock

    “For some reason, it causes some here great anxiety to continue to discuss only the biggest trade in Cashman’s tenure. Either they don’t want to contemplate how big a mistake it may have been, or they like the trade and don’t understand what all the “fuss” is about. ”

    there is very little doubt in my mind that this trade will be a defining moment in cashman’s tenure.

    if he pulls off a world championship from it in the next year or two with pineda being instrumental, he goes down in history as a great gm. if the yankees continue being eliminated in the early rounds of the playoffs and montero becomes the next big thing in baseball and pineda turns out to be really named mellville swartz and is actually 27 years old and he’s injured , well, brian probably needs to stay on good terms with theo so he can get a consultant job with him.

  70. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    The Boss was still front and center when Knobs was acquired and the same goes for Justice and Clemens. Cashman can be credited for Grandy, but the other players are all The Boss.
    —————

    First of all I don’t think that’s true – in fact we know that the Justice trade came down completely by chance. Brian called the Indians to get some coach his WS ring and Shapiro said, “hey as long as I have you on the phone, we might be willing to move David Justice if you’re interested”

    Second – if you’re going to give George all the credit for the good players who were brought in then you have to give him the blame for the Pavano, Jose Contreras, Weaver, Wright, Brown, Vazquez and Farnsworth, disasters as well.

    I’ve never had an issue with the Pavano or Contreras signings or even the first Javy trade- at the time all were considered great moves – they just didn’t work out.

    Weaver actually can be traced to George – he was infuriated over a game Ted Lilly pitched and as the story goes he forced Brian’s hand. Weaver had to go after the 03 WS disaster and the best they could get for him was Kevin Brown – which I think everyone knew wasn’t going to work out.

    Jaret Wright, Kyle Farnsworth – those were just awful deals as was trading Tabata and a bunch of young pitchers for Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte and dealing Melky, Dunn, and Viz for Javy and Boone.

  71. RMS January 27th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    My guy is still Dan Murphy of the Mets – I think he would be perfect in that role, sort of as a Ben Zobrist super-utility deal.
    ————————————————————————————————————-
    Heck, no. Murphy is a huge liability in the field. Terrible.

    If Chavez doesn’t come back, use someone, Pena, Laird, from the minors. They wouldn’t play that much and Nunez would get the most playing time.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    I would absolutely love it if the Yankees turned around and said to Joba, “you know what big fella – with D-Rob back there with Mo – we’re going to work you back during your rehab as a starter, not a reliever. Let’s give you a real chance to heal this thing up and see what happens.”

    Now, I know it won’t happen, we all know it won’t happen. The odds are better that Joba’s on a new team 3 years from now than that he’ll be a starting pitcher for the Yankees.
    ///

    I’m not convinced that it won’t happen. I’ve written this before. Rothschild is not here to be a yes man. If he turns to Cashman and says, this kid’s going to help us more as a starter, I could see them changing gears. Less likely, I suppose, now that Pineda is here and Kuroda, for this season. But Joba won’t be ready to contribute until later in the season, anyway. Send him to AAA and get him stretched out and let him be compete as a starter for 2013, at the very least.

  73. yankeefeminista January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Pat, Montero is such a hard worker that he reshaped his body to slim down and become more agile to catch. He was a tank before the physical transformation and was much less agile, but he worked his butt off to improve. I don’t think work ethic is a problem for Montero, just like it wasn’t for Cano in spite of the unjustified “lazy” tag that got put on him. Latin players tend to be expressive and speak openly and somehow that gets misconstrued into some work ethic issue, but no one has criticized the kid’s work ethic. And stars like Alex often take kids under their wing, and show them what it takes to be an mlb pro, just like Alex did with Cano and Melky et al.

  74. Bo knows January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    if he pulls off a world championship from it in the next year or two with pineda being instrumental, he goes down in history as a great gm. if the yankees continue being eliminated in the early rounds of the playoffs and montero becomes the next big thing in baseball and pineda turns out to be really named mellville swartz and is actually 27 years old and he’s injured , well, brian probably needs to stay on good terms with theo so he can get a consultant job with him.

    —————————————-
    In a GM’s job, that’s the cost of doing business.

    He might be a little Napoleon and a whole bunch of other bad things but he’s our Nap and as such has my backing. Privately I might be cussing but once the lights come on it’s;

    “On with the show, this is it”

  75. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “Pat, Montero is such a hard worker that he reshaped his body to slim down and become more agile to catch”

    Really. All the reports were that he was overweight and when the kid came up he was slim.

    I will always suspect that this trade was made, apart from payroll issues, because Girardi wouldn’t catch him.

  76. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    “there is very little doubt in my mind that this trade will be a defining moment in cashman’s tenure.”

    There’s very little doubt in my mind that even if the deal works out great for the Yanks and they win the WS in 2012, randy l. still won’t like Cashman. :)

  77. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    whose job is it then?

    if there are no fans there is no pro game.

    baseball without management paying attention to fans would be likely end up with fans not paying to watch baseball.

    so is cashman’s job to appease fans?
    ultimately it is.”

    Randy, do you consider the scrutiny baseball GMs are under by fans as a new or old phenomenon?

    My experience leads me to believe it is a new level of scrutiny and a product of the proliferation of internet site and blogs and forums and the hours cable sports networks now devote to “analysis” as opposed to news and highlights.

    Your thoughts?

  78. Benny Blanco January 27th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Excellent post g.love!!!!

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    there is very little doubt in my mind that this trade will be a defining moment in cashman’s tenure.

    if he pulls off a world championship from it in the next year or two with pineda being instrumental, he goes down in history as a great gm. if the yankees continue being eliminated in the early rounds of the playoffs and montero becomes the next big thing in baseball and pineda turns out to be really named mellville swartz and is actually 27 years old and he’s injured , well, brian probably needs to stay on good terms with theo so he can get a consultant job with him.
    ///

    I’m pulling for Mellville to figure it out, Randy. And if he can develop a changeup and hit in the middle of the order to protect Robinson Cano, then even I will say ‘uncle Brian.’ If he’s a stud, but they go south anyway because guys are swinging out of their shoes or waving at pitchers’ pitches with RISP and they come up short, and Jesus is raking in Seattle, then they’ll be accused of not having understood what was needed. And that’s my complaint; not that Mellville isn’t going to be the goods one day, but that he wasn’t equipped to compensate for the hole they willingly created to get him.

  80. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    randy

    Cashmans job is to put a winning team on the field. If he does that the majority of the fans will be happy. No matter what he does some won’t be happy.

    I still think you get paid by the blog master to post some of your nonsense in order to drive the conversation. I don’t believe you really believe all you post. :D:

  81. Benny Blanco January 27th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Can someone please confirm this?. Somebody just texted me and said thAt it’s been reported that If the Yankees can’t find a dh, the Yankees will ship Burnett and nunez to the mets for David wright and make arod the full time dh…..not sure I believe that but you never know.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Rich in NJ January 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    “Pat, Montero is such a hard worker that he reshaped his body to slim down and become more agile to catch”

    Really. All the reports were that he was overweight and when the kid came up he was slim.

    I will always suspect that this trade was made, apart from payroll issues, because Girardi wouldn’t catch him.
    ///

    I don’t why I tried to talk myself out of the idea that Girardi could cost us Montero. I suspected it, then chided myself for, you know, thinking something that was so crazy. Sucks to have been right about that one.

  83. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    - CHIP -
    I have no problem with blaming The Boss for the moves you sighted. Nothing went on regarding the Yanks unless The Boss OK’d it, before the dementia set it. He also brought in The Shef which never worked. ,

  84. pat January 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Yankeefem

    I don’t know Montero so I have no way of knowing what his work ethic is but his comments sound like someone who thought his God given ability was enough until recently.

    Alex must have a better spiel one on one than when someone sticks a microphone in his face because we’ve now heard Cano, Logan and Montero say he’s gotten there attention.

  85. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    - Blanco -
    That’s quite a rumor, though I do Not know why the Mets would make that trade.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    yankeefeminista January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
    Pat, Montero is such a hard worker that he reshaped his body to slim down and become more agile to catch. He was a tank before the physical transformation and was much less agile, but he worked his butt off to improve. I don’t think work ethic is a problem for Montero, just like it wasn’t for Cano in spite of the unjustified “lazy” tag that got put on him. Latin players tend to be expressive and speak openly and somehow that gets misconstrued into some work ethic issue, but no one has criticized the kid’s work ethic. And stars like Alex often take kids under their wing, and show them what it takes to be an mlb pro, just like Alex did with Cano and Melky et al.
    ///

    Yes, he was in unbelievable shape last year. He looked so different from when we had him in Trenton. He really went after it to get lighter and more agile. He really wants to catch, and I’m glad he’ll get that opportunity now. But gee, the lazy latin stuff arrives, right on cue, doesn’t it?

  87. dogface January 27th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Randy, do you consider the scrutiny baseball GMs are under by fans as a new or old phenomenon?

    =================================

    Scrutiny itself isn’t all that new, but as you suggest in the very next sentence of your post, the level of scrutiny is unquestionably higher than it’s ever been.

  88. Howe Farr January 27th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    He also brought in The Shef which never worked. ,
    ____________________________________________________

    In 2 season he killed 291/383/515 and came in 2nd in the MVP votes in 2004, made the all star team twice and then got injured. Gary Sheffield was a real good bat in that lineup.

  89. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    “I don’t know Montero so I have no way of knowing what his work ethic is but his comments sound like someone who thought his God given ability was enough until recently.”

    Which isn’t too uncommon for a very young person, pat. I was deluded at a similar age, and I neither had nor have his income potential.

  90. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    - FARR -
    Sure, he was a very good bat. But the guy was a cancer. Of course, the Numbers would Not tell you that.

  91. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Has it been established that Girardi cost us Montero?

  92. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    yankeefeminista January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Pat, Montero is such a hard worker that he reshaped his body to slim down and become more agile to catch. He was a tank before the physical transformation and was much less agile, but he worked his butt off to improve. I don’t think work ethic is a problem for Montero, just like it wasn’t for Cano in spite of the unjustified “lazy” tag that got put on him. Latin players tend to be expressive and speak openly and somehow that gets misconstrued into some work ethic issue, but no one has criticized the kid’s work ethic. And stars like Alex often take kids under their wing, and show them what it takes to be an mlb pro, just like Alex did with Cano and Melky et al.
    ———————

    Montero was such a hard worker that Alex Rodriguez had to fine him $100 for every day he didn’t show up to work out in the cage during the spring….

  93. Joe from Long Island January 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    benny blanco – i’d not heard/seen that. However, you never know. There is a certain logic to it. I kind of doubt it would happen, for two reasons –
    1. Wright is the face of the franchise at this point.
    2. Alex has said that one can play 3rd base “forever”. And, as some have pointed out, what bothers his hip is likely the torque he generates from swinging.

    but, ya never know. screwier things have happened.

  94. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “Has it been established that Girardi cost us Montero?”

    Well, that depends on what you mean by “established”.

  95. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Chip, it’s a good idea to have your facts straight, both in general and when the point of your anecdote is to impugn someone’s work ethic.

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Rich in NJ January 27th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    “I don’t know Montero so I have no way of knowing what his work ethic is but his comments sound like someone who thought his God given ability was enough until recently.”

    Which isn’t too uncommon for a very young person, pat. I was deluded at a similar age, and I neither had nor have his income potential.
    ///

    Management that would shun a very young player with that much upside because of an inconsistent work ethic, rather than pull out all the stops to nurture it, is second-rate to begin with.

    If there’s any truth to the Yankees being less than pleased with his receptivity to coaching, etc., I would wonder if they shouldn’t have knocked themselves out to find ways to get through to him, and consider it an ongoing process worth waiting out. He’s already a magnificent young hitter, and still just 22 years old.

    I hope these two don’t get so cute with themselves on player “attitude” that they wind up prematurely passing on high upside players because of a rigid definition of what a “good” attitude is.

  97. LGY January 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Montero was such a hard worker that Alex Rodriguez had to fine him $100 for every day he didn’t show up to work out in the cage during the spring….

    ——

    This is exactly what Fem is talking about and how false information about a player’s work ethic gets spread so easily.

  98. Howe Farr January 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    But the guy was a cancer. Of course, the Numbers would Not tell you that.
    ____________________________________________________________

    You know who else was a Cancer? Babe Ruth, he hated Lou Gehrig. The numbers dont tell you that, nor does it matter, the team won. As did Gary Sheffield teams. and Sheffield helped them win.

  99. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    What is this love affair for Daniel Murphy? The best thing you can say about his glove work is that his many mitts and gloves will last a long time. They’re in nearly mint condition from the lack of contact with the baseball.

  100. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    “Has it been established that Girardi cost us Montero?”

    No, that’s why I used the conditional word “suspect,” Nick.

  101. RMS January 27th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    benny blanco

    If true, Yanks would have to pay a lot of AJ’s contract. Mets are not into spending.

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    Has it been established that Girardi cost us Montero?
    ///

    I am satisfied.

    What do you think?

  103. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Didn’t they have to speak to Montero about his weight-conditioning 2yrs ago at ST?

  104. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “Babe Ruth, he hated Lou Gehrig.”

    I thought Lou didn’t like the Babe. Hard to imagine the Babe hating anybody.

  105. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    - FARR -
    I’m Not even gonna touch what Ruth\Gehrig Yankee teams won in comparison to The Shef Yankee teams. Just TOO easy.

  106. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    I hear Montero and Hughes could really decimate a spread.

  107. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    “If there’s any truth to the Yankees being less than pleased with his receptivity to coaching, etc., I would wonder if they shouldn’t have knocked themselves out to find ways to get through to him, ”

    If there’s any truth to the Yankees being less than pleased with his receptivity to coaching, etc., I would wonder if they knocked themselves out to find ways to get through to him, ”

    See how easy that is?

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Montero needed a Bill Dickey here. :(

  109. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    I wasn’t referring to you, Rich.

    Mr. Prufrock, I think the answer is no, it has not been established that Girardi cost us Montero.

  110. dogface January 27th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Didn’t they have to speak to Montero about his weight-conditioning 2yrs ago at ST?

    ======================================

    Don’t know, but if they did, would it not appear that the message was received and acted upon?

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Yeah, they knocked themselves out. Traded at 22.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

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