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What are we waiting for?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 27, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Can you believe this? It’s been two weeks since the Michael Pineda trade and the Yankees have done nothing!

Kidding. They’ve settled on contracts with all of their arbitration guys, made the Andruw Jones and Hiroki Kuroda signings official and celebrated the career of Jorge Posada. Now that the Yankees have made their big splash, what are we waiting for?

The development of the DH situation
This might be a lot of waiting for nothing, but Cashman has made it clear he’s willing to trade some of his excess pitching to sign a hitter. That means there might be another big move on the way. The Yankees would rather go the trade route than dig into what seems to be a deep free agent market. As it stands, Jorge Vazquez is arguably the most interesting in-house candidate, but it seems a long shot that the Yankees will enter spring training with Vazquez as a leading candidate for their regular DH spot.

Eric Chavez to come off the market
We know Chavez wants to play next season, and as long as he’s still available — even if the Yankees sign another reserve infielder — there will be questions about whether the Yankees can bring Chavez back on some sort of deal. Until he signs, with the Yankees or someone else, his name is going to pop up every now and then.

The evolution of the bargain bin
No matter how long Prince Fielder stayed on the market, his price tag was never going to fall into “bargain” territory. Pitchers like Edwin Jackson and Roy Oswalt might fall into one-year deals, but they’re never going to come dirt cheap. Other pieces of the free agent market, though, might find they have little choice but to sign microscopic deals — even minor league deals — just to land a job. Last year, the Yankees had great success with late signings like this.

A full list of minor league signings
Speaking of bargain deals… Every year the Yankees release a massive list of players invited to big league camp, and every year there’s at least one name that stands out as a big league possibility. Every year there are also names that don’t stand out at all, yet managed to play some sort of role in the big leagues. How many people paid any attention to Luis Ayala or Gustavo Molina when they were first mentioned? And it should be interesting to see which prospects get a chance to play with the big guys for a few weeks.

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131 Responses to “What are we waiting for?”

  1. m January 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    …a new thread to compain in?

  2. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    LGY January 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Montero was such a hard worker that Alex Rodriguez had to fine him $100 for every day he didn’t show up to work out in the cage during the spring….

    ——

    This is exactly what Fem is talking about and how false information about a player’s work ethic gets spread so easily.

    ————–

    It was extra BP right?

  3. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    “Yeah, they knocked themselves out. Traded at 22.”

    Been in the system since a teen. Repeated AAA.

    The point is, none one knows.

    No one know if they knocked themselves out, didn’t knock themselves out, or even needed to knock themselves out.

  4. Howe Farr January 27th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Donnybrook,

    The ruth/gehrig point was about cancers in the clubhouse not mattering much as long as you win and you put up the number. However, i realize you judge players based on their “eyes” so I thank the ganesh/christ/mohammad/g-od that you just post random stuff on yankee blogs and are no way, shape, or form running the yankees.

  5. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Nick payed attention to Gustavo.

  6. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    - ALL TIME WORST PORTRAYALS OF BABE RUTH -

    (1) WILLIAM BENDIX

    (2) JOHN GOODMAN

    (3) WHOEVER that actor was in “The Sandlot”.

    I see your John Goodman and raise you Walter Olkewicz.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    Of course, he was supposed to be terrible.

  7. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    “How many games in 2012 do you think Jesus will be catching?

    Eric Wedge yesterday made it sound like he wasn’t one or 2 on the catching depth chart there and they would have Miggy and Datz mentor him and bring him along very slowly.”

    Hmmmmm.. before I read that part about Wedge I was about to respond “at least 50.”

    How funny would it be if the Mariners kept Jesus in AAA for another season lol..

  8. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    If Montero was not receptive to instruction from the coaches, he wouldn’t have advanced so far from his Charleston days to 2011. It’s been a massive improvement. He was that bad. One thing that people forget is that for their first year and a half to two years. Montero and Romine were splitting time as the front line catcher. Neither got enough game time to work on their play.

  9. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Attention must be paid.

  10. m January 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I wonder if Mariner fans are screaming about how they are wasting Montero’s bat at the DH position?

    I kid, I kid.

  11. pat January 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Shame

    Slowly as a catcher not as a DH. He’s going to be their DH pretty much FT unless I’m reading things wrong.

    I’ll look for the quote I heard from Wedge.

  12. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    No one is disputing that Montero is a tremendous prospect. But there is a long way for a player to go from being a tremendous prospect to being an elite major league player.

    Some of you act like we gave away Josh Gibson in his prime and got back Kei Igawa.

  13. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    m January 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I wonder if Mariner fans are screaming about how they are wasting Montero’s bat at the DH position?

    I kid, I kid.
    —————-

    I’ll bet you that there are more than a few who are less than pleased with this deal from the Seattle point of view.

  14. PacoDooley January 27th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I read this as – basically we are just waiting on the DH situation (whether or not it includes Chavez). They don’t need to troll the bargain bin, and they cannot sign another starter. So they will pursue DH possibilities and, presumably, ‘opportunities’…

  15. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    I don’t think Stuckey PAID enough attention.

  16. pat January 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Is Josh Gobson related to Bob Gibson?

  17. PacoDooley January 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Oh, and only waiting on the DH situation again reminds me how happy I am that the team finally has a full rotation of decent starters. Last offseason was a total nightmare (as was heading into camp with Colon and Garcia looking as possible starters).

  18. Joe from Long Island January 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Nick, that is one of my favorite plays.

  19. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    YES coverage of Mini-camp session. runs about 4 minutes

    http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....d=20073191

  20. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Available players I would bring in on minor league deals:

    Rick Ankiel
    Rich Harden
    Mike Gonzalez
    Mark Teahan
    David Aardsma
    Felipe Lopez

  21. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    pat, Josh Gibson wasn’t related to Debbie, Hoot or Bob.

  22. LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Nick

    You know the line on the Knicks Heat game tonight?

  23. pat January 27th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Here’s the quote from Eric Wedge about how Jesus would be used…….

    “Miguel (Olivo) is still our catcher right now, and we have a couple other guys too (Moore/Jaso), obviously. With Jesus, the most important thing for me right now is to make sure he gets every-day at-bats. And then to continue to develop as a catcher. I do feel confident he’s going to be a solid big-league catcher, and without a doubt he has the potential to be an every-day big league catcher. I don’t think he should expect anything less from himself, because I don’t. But, he’s 22 years old. Most catchers develop late. We’re not going to rush this thing.

    “It’s important he gets every-day at-bats, it’s important he keeps working with Jeff Datz and myself, in regard to becoming a big-league catcher. And he’s going to be catching for us as well. But I think with Miggy here, he has a chance to be a mentor for Jesus. Because we have Miggy here, we don’t have to throw him right in the fire, and we’re not. We’re going to take care of this young man. He has a chance to be special, and from talking to him here in the early going, I think he’s a special person, too. So I think the most important thing is he’s going to have every-day at-bats, we’re going to continue to break him in as a catcher, but we don’t have to throw him right into it. It takes time to develop. I don’t want to push that and it winds up taking longer. If you try to push that forward too fast, it’s going to take him longer to be the player he needs to be.”

  24. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    “pat, Josh Gibson wasn’t related to Debbie, Hoot or Bob.”

    Wow, a cultural reference from GB7 that isn’t 40 years old (well, at least one-third of it anyway).

  25. dogface January 27th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    LGY:

    Knicks are getting 11 with my guy.

  26. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Heat -11

  27. 108 stitches January 27th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Jorge Vasquez ? A swing and miss hitter that brings reminders of Rob Deer in his time. Thanks but no thanks.

  28. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    The cultural reference is not 40 years old, but Debbie Gibson is now 41.

  29. jacksquat January 27th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Chip January 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Montero was such a hard worker that Alex Rodriguez had to fine him $100 for every day he didn’t show up to work out in the cage during the spring….

    First, I think that was for extra bp, second, he may have been spending his time practicing catching instead. His catching needed a lot more work than his bat did.

    His swing itself probably doesn’t need much if any work. The aspect of hitting where there might be a weakness is breaking balls off the outside of the plate. It’s hard to practice judgement of breaking pitches taking bp on bp fastballs, which is what they throw in bp.

  30. m January 27th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    LMAO. Eric Wedge is a former catcher. And he wants to bring Montero along at the right pace. What a concept. Montero needs to be on a team managed by a non ex-catcher.

  31. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    “LMAO. Eric Wedge is a former catcher. And he wants to bring Montero along at the right pace. What a concept. Montero needs to be on a team managed by a non ex-catcher.”

    Or, it might mean Montero’s not ready to be a major league catcher. Just a thought.

  32. pat January 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Good news for AL hitters. Daniel Cabrera has signed with the Pirates.

  33. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Joe, I’m not a huge “Death of a Salesman” fan, but I did like it when Jerry called George “Biff” on “Seinfeld”.

    A couple years ago I went to a benefit concert at the Henry Miller Library in Big Sur, CA. Yankee-related photo here:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....hotostream

    The guy who runs the library spoke before the music started. He told us that one of the most common occurences they get in the gift shop/bookstore is that visitors, after a short time milling around, ask where they can find a photo of Henry Miller with Marilyn Monroe.

  34. upstate kate January 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Why is the as sumption made that b/c Girardi was a defensive catcher he would want a catcher like himself?

  35. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    “LMAO. Eric Wedge is a former catcher. And he wants to bring Montero along at the right pace. What a concept. Montero needs to be on a team managed by a non ex-catcher.”

    Or, it might mean Montero’s not ready to be a major league catcher. Just a thought.
    ————-

    Well played sir.

  36. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    upstate kate, we can say ass not, but it’s still better not to assume.

  37. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    upstate kate January 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Why is the as sumption made that b/c Girardi was a defensive catcher he would want a catcher like himself?

    ————————

    It probably comes from him not getting a long with Jorge and Montero not catching many games in September.

  38. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    As I said before, I don’t care how good Montero turns out to be, Pineda is gonna be an Ace. The supporting cast in that trade is gonna determine whether Cashman or Jack Z get the Oscar.

  39. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    We can say ass now is what I meant to type.

    Ass not what Girardi can do for you…

  40. LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    -11. Yikes.

    Just saw Melo is sitting out the next two games. Good thing D’antoni lets Melo decide when he does or doesn’t play.

  41. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    upstate kate January 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Why is the as sumption made that b/c Girardi was a defensive catcher he would want a catcher like himself?
    —————-

    Just looking at the evidence at hand.

    Even when Russ Martin was hurt and slumping he didn’t push for Montero to come up – instead opting to keep Martin’s glove back there or Cervelli’s. Even when Montero was up, they used Romine behind the plate almost as much as they did Montero. And of course there’s the fact that Montero’s gone.

  42. upstate kate January 27th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    assume :)

  43. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    -11. Yikes.

    Just saw Melo is sitting out the next two games. Good thing D’antoni lets Melo decide when he does or doesn’t play.
    —————–

    Yes but everything will be fine because Baron Davis is due back this weekend…sigh.

  44. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    upstate kate January 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
    Why is the as sumption made that b/c Girardi was a defensive catcher he would want a catcher like himself?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Because conspiracy theories are more exciting?

  45. jacksquat January 27th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    m January 27th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    LMAO. Eric Wedge is a former catcher. And he wants to bring Montero along at the right pace. What a concept. Montero needs to be on a team managed by a non ex-catcher.

    Wedge caught all of 44 innings in the big leagues.

  46. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    upstate kate January 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Why is the as sumption made that b/c Girardi was a defensive catcher he would want a catcher like himself?

    ————————

    It probably comes from him not getting a long with Jorge and Montero not catching many games in September.
    ————

    Well he didn’t get along with Jorge because Jorge took his job and then later he had to be the one to tell Jorge his days as a catcher were over – and Posada made him look real bad in the press at times with his comments. So you know, that’s understandable.

  47. dogface January 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Just saw Melo is sitting out the next two games

    ==========================

    If nothing else, they should see a marked improvement in FG percentage.

  48. Irreverent Discourse January 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Chip – Just FYI, Romine caught twice as many innings as Montero in September.

    People spent the entire season burying their heads in the sand about his defense because their want for Montero was so great. Nothing that happened between last off-season and today with Montero’s handling is a surprise to me in any way.

  49. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    - Beret7 -
    You failed to mention Henry Gibson. KP for the reamainder of the week soldier.

  50. austinmac January 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    GB,

    You are showing your youth with Debbie. I would have gone with Pat.

  51. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Not all catchers-turned-manager were the same type of catcher and they’re not all going to have the same opinion of what’s most valuable behind the plate. Scoscia and Girardi prioritize defense.

    I’m sure if Mike Piazza got into managing he would be a little more interested in what his catcher can hit than how he fields.

  52. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Chip, what you present as evidence is bad evidence.

    It’s just as likely if not more so that Montero’s presence on the team or lack thereof and his usage on the team was decided upstairs.

    Some people call Girardi an organizational yes man and some people blame him for Montero’s fate — are any of these the same people?

  53. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Irreverent Discourse January 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Chip – Just FYI, Romine caught twice as many innings as Montero in September.

    People spent the entire season burying their heads in the sand about his defense because their want for Montero was so great. Nothing that happened between last off-season and today with Montero’s handling is a surprise to me in any way.
    —————–

    Thanks

    Yeah – if you stopped listening to what the Yankees were saying and paid any attention to what they were doing you could see that Montero was not long for this organization.

  54. LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    If nothing else, they should see a marked improvement in FG percentage.

    ——————–

    If those extra shots are going to Toney Douglas and Shumpert I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

  55. upstate kate January 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Based on what tho? Maybe he just didn’t like how Montero caught. Or maybe he wanted Montero to DH. I really think it is a stretch to over-generalize.

  56. dogface January 27th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    So you know, that’s understandable.

    ===============================

    What????

  57. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    This 2 weeks of Super Bowl Hype-Tripe gets old. Kinda like hearing over and over how Montero could beat Carl Lewis inna foot race.

  58. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Nick –

    They might well be.

    As I just said in the comment to ID – what the Yankees said publicly about Montero and how they used him painted two very different pictures of the same player.

    I think (and obviously – this is pure speculation) that they had questions about him for a little while and those questions got much louder last year – first with his inability to beat out Gus Molina for a spot out of spring training, then in the minors for putting up only so-so numbers for a kid with his potential. He should have been blowing the doors off of AAA and forcing the Yankees to call him up, but instead he was ok – not great – and people thought the reason was that maybe he was bored or sulking. You want a kid who you send down to force you to call him back up and that never happened with Montero. They didn’t bring him up when Martin got hurt – used Cervelli instead. Didn’t bring him up when Alex was hurt and they needed some additional offense. And when they did bring him up, they still let Romine do more catching than Montero.

    Does that strike you as the way you use a kid if you think he’s going to be a superstar?

  59. m January 27th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Okay, so we’re sticking with the Girardi marginalized because he was jealous/petty theory?

  60. LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    The saddest part about the Knicks this season is that Melo leads them in assists.

    Baron Davis should help tremendously.

  61. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    austinmac January 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
    GB,

    You are showing your youth with Debbie. I would have gone with Pat.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Not sure that I ever saw Debbie Gibson, and only heard one song a couple of times, but, have no clue as to what it was. what I remember was the hype surrounding her….sort of the type surrounding the legend of Brian Bosworth.

  62. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    upstate kate January 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Why is the as sumption made that b/c Girardi was a defensive catcher he would want a catcher like himself?

    ————————

    It probably comes from him not getting a long with Jorge and Montero not catching many games in September.
    ————

    Well he didn’t get along with Jorge because Jorge took his job and then later he had to be the one to tell Jorge his days as a catcher were over – and Posada made him look real bad in the press at times with his comments. So you know, that’s understandable.

    ————

    Valid points

  63. Benny Blanco January 27th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Chip says:
    January 27, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    No one is disputing that Montero is a tremendous prospect. But there is a long way for a player to go from being a tremendous prospect to being an elite major league player.

    Some of you act like we gave away Josh Gibson in his prime and got back Kei Igawa.
    ——————-
    Hilarious!!!!!! Lmao!

  64. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    -11. Yikes.

    Just saw Melo is sitting out the next two games. Good thing D’antoni lets Melo decide when he does or doesn’t play.

    —————————————————————————————-

    Didn’t Mello decide what team he was going to?

  65. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Chip

    You keep using examples of why you “think” they didn’t use Montero.

    He’s only 22. It would be just as easy to assume he wasn’t ready yet.

  66. LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Didn’t Mello decide what team he was going to?

    ————-

    LOL, true.

  67. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    LGY -

    Melo to the Nets for Deron Williams.

    Nets get a star who can’t walk away at the end of the year and the Knicks – for the first time since they traded Mark Jackson – get a true point guard.

  68. upstate kate January 27th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    I don’t see the evidence of that M. I think people are using their own agendas. Maybe Girardi does prefer defensive catchers, maybe he doesn’t. I don’t see the proof either way.
    I don’t think the use of Montero proves anything really. He was a young kid, a highly rated prospect, who got a Sept call up. FWIW, I don’t believe the attitude stories either.

  69. LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    From RAB

    J.R. (and a few others) asks: Does Phil Hughes have an option left? I remember last year that he preferred a stint on the DL rather than a demotion and use of his last option to AAA. Did he accrue too much service time to be sent down without being exposed to waivers?

    Hughes does have at least one minor league option left as best I can tell, and the optional waivers thing isn’t really a problem. Apparently there’s a league-wide gentleman’s agreement in place preventing claims from being made. Hughes is roughly ten weeks away from having five full years of service time, at which point he’ll be able to refuse a trip to the minors. I’m not sure that a trip to Triple-A will benefit him at all, he’s got face the challenge of big leaguers to make progress. Then again, Ivan Nova did make tangible progress with his slider following his demotion last summer, so who knows.

  70. Nick in SF January 27th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Inability to beat out Gus Molina?

    Please.

    It would not have been worth burning an option on Montero to bring him up in that situation regardless of their future plans for him.

    Your other points may have some validity but they all go against the “mean Girardi kept him down!” meme.

  71. austinmac January 27th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    The Yankees use of Montero didn’t demonstrate their intent to trade him but did show their view of his catching abilities. If they didn’t believe he could catch, his value to them went markedly down.

  72. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Chip

    You keep using examples of why you “think” they didn’t use Montero.

    He’s only 22. It would be just as easy to assume he wasn’t ready yet.
    ————–

    Maine,

    You’re absolutely correct – these are all assumptions that we won’t ever be privy to the answer to.

    That said, if they weren’t sold on him being ready after two seasons in AAA to be the catcher – when was he going to be ready?

  73. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    - CHIP -
    I agree with a lotta what your saying in regard to the Yankees true appraisal of Montero, but I DO believe Cashman truly believes the Potential is there for Montero to blossom and make this trade another in the line of Jay Buhner. Now I now Pineda is nowhere near the age of Phelps, but the possiblity of Montero dominating at the plate has Cashman using a lotta preemptive maintenance.

  74. LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Chip

    I’m not ready to give up on the construction of this team yet. I really do think Baron will help a lot. I was reading something that said his assists are the most valuable in league because he has the highest % of them leading to dunks or layups.

    Even if BD doesn’t work out there is a strong group of FA point guards next year and they will have their MLE to spend.

  75. 108 stitches January 27th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Whatever became of Richie Sexson ? Bubba Trammel ? Colter Bean ? Felix Heredia ?

  76. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    Didn’t Mello decide what team he was going to?

    ————-

    LOL, true.

    ————————————————————–

    I have felt he has been a bit too selfish.

    He reminds me a bit of another Syracuse alum. Derrick Coleman.

    Not totally using their max. talents.

  77. randy l. January 27th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    “Randy, do you consider the scrutiny baseball GMs are under by fans as a new or old phenomenon?

    My experience leads me to believe it is a new level of scrutiny and a product of the proliferation of internet site and blogs and forums and the hours cable sports networks now devote to “analysis” as opposed to news and highlights.

    Your thoughts?”

    stuckey-

    getting ready for evening road trip, but my quick thought is it’s a new level of scrutiny. i was aware of gabe paul and when he made the trade for figueroa and rivers for bobby bonds, but i don’t think as a fan i knew a tenth as much about him as i do cashman.

    yes it’s literally a whole new ballgame with information being much more available to fans.
    it’s interesting though that the game on the field is pretty much the game i grew up with in the fifties.

  78. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    I don’t like the Montero trade, but, there’s as much chance of Pineda dominating the game on the mound for years as there is for Montero dominating his part of the game.

  79. Wave Your Hat January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    The bottom line is that Montero was not fated to stay a Yank.

    To me, that the Yanks would eventually trade Montero first appeared likely with the Cliff Lee-Jesus Montero non-trade, and it seemed inevitable ever since the Yanks put out a dragnet for Austine Romine the day Martin had to come out of the game in California, flew Romine to L.A. and rushed him into the very next game. The Yanks just didn’t think he was ready to catch, and he wasn’t going to get the chance to learn on the job here. With ARod inevitably needing increasing DH minutes, Montero was between a rock and hard place. The lackluster Yank rotation sealed the deal.

    I guess that’s why I’m not gnashing my teeth over this. I long ago mentally bid farewell to Montero.

    Plus, I think this deal is going to deliver the Yanks a WS championship in 2012.

  80. pat January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    “Okay, so we’re sticking with the Girardi marginalized because he was jealous/petty theory?”

    Only on days that have an “R” in them.

  81. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Chip

    That said, if they weren’t sold on him being ready after two seasons in AAA to be the catcher – when was he going to be ready?

    ——————————————————————————-

    My point has been that it’s hard to determine what’s going on when we aren’t privy to all the information.

  82. DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Other than Charles Barkley, the NBA has Nothing going for it. Why do you think Mark Cuban continues to try and get an MLB team? The ball-hogging\whinning of it’s “super stars” like Kobe is killing it.

  83. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    it’s interesting though that the game on the field is pretty much the game i grew up with in the fifties.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I don’t know about that, Randy. A lot of changes in the game since the 1850s when you started playing.

  84. Jerkface January 27th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    I don’t like the Montero trade, but, there’s as much chance of Pineda dominating the game on the mound for years as there is for Montero dominating his part of the game.

    Bust rates of position player vs pitcher says otherwise.

  85. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    randy

    We really know the reason you know so much more now is because you’ve been staying at a Holliday Inn on this road trip.

  86. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    LGY January 27th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Chip

    I’m not ready to give up on the construction of this team yet. I really do think Baron will help a lot. I was reading something that said his assists are the most valuable in league because he has the highest % of them leading to dunks or layups.

    Even if BD doesn’t work out there is a strong group of FA point guards next year and they will have their MLE to spend.
    ——————-

    That’s fair.

    I don’t want to use the “no training camp” cop-out but there is validity to it when you realize that they had no time to get the front court guys in rhythm with the guards. Of course there’s also going to be a learning curve when Davis comes into the lineup.

    Bottom line, I don’t think D’Antoni’s here next year

  87. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Chip

    That said, if they weren’t sold on him being ready after two seasons in AAA to be the catcher – when was he going to be ready?

    ——————————————————————————-

    My point has been that it’s hard to determine what’s going on when we aren’t privy to all the information.
    ————–

    Very true – all we can do is speculate.

    I just can’t get over the dichotomy between the way they talked about Montero and the way they used him.

  88. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    - CHIP -
    I agree with a lotta what your saying in regard to the Yankees true appraisal of Montero, but I DO believe Cashman truly believes the Potential is there for Montero to blossom and make this trade another in the line of Jay Buhner. Now I now Pineda is nowhere near the age of Phelps, but the possiblity of Montero dominating at the plate has Cashman using a lotta preemptive maintenance.
    ———————

    I think if Cashman was that sold on the bat being Cabrera or Pujols and the only thing holding him back were concerns about him as a catcher the Yankees would have moved him to a different position. They at least would have toyed with the notion. The only reasons to keep him at catcher are a) you truly believe he can catch or b) you know that the minute you move him out from behind the plate he loses a lot of value as a trade chip.

  89. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Chip

    I don’t know if it’s the case with the Knicks but I do know some of the Celtic’s older players had to get in game shape in season because of the lock-out.

    Pierce is just now playing up to his potential.

  90. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Chip

    I don’t know if it’s the case with the Knicks but I do know some of the Celtic’s older players had to get in game shape in season because of the lock-out.

    Pierce is just now playing up to his potential.
    —————–

    I think that could be part of it – but the Knicks are a reasonably young team and everyone is going through the same thing so the Knicks should still be able to beat inferior teams. I think you’ve got a few things going on:

    1. Two superstar scorers who don’t know how to play together yet
    2. No back court
    3. A defensive minded player on a team that plays no defense and a coach who doesn’t coach it.

    They can talk about defense all they want, but Stat and Melo don’t buy into it because they know D’Antoni doesn’t believe it.

  91. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Maine –

    As an example D’Antoni preaching Defense is like Rex Ryan preaching humility to his players.

  92. LGY January 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Chip

    To be fair, the Knicks defense this season is rated pretty high.

  93. randy l. January 27th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    “We really know the reason you know so much more now is because you’ve been staying at a Holliday Inn on this road trip.”

    maine yankee-

    how’s the snow up there. juts rain in cape elizabeth?
    you think my brain waves are screwing up the weather here?

  94. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Chip

    I also heard someone mention that they wondered if Stat was having trouble adjusting to the #4 instead of the #5 he was in Phoenix.

  95. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    randy l. January 27th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    “We really know the reason you know so much more now is because you’ve been staying at a Holliday Inn on this road trip.”

    maine yankee-

    how’s the snow up there. juts rain in cape elizabeth?
    you think my brain waves are screwing up the weather here?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. I’m gonna kill myself for doing this, but I ain’t touching that one. So many responses. Just too easy.

  96. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Other than Charles Barkley, the NBA has Nothing going for it. Why do you think Mark Cuban continues to try and get an MLB team? The ball-hogging\whinning of it’s “super stars” like Kobe is killing it.

    —————————–

    LOL what the NBA is coming off it’s best season since the Jordan era. This isn’t the Iverson/Marbury yrs. And Kobe is one of the biggest stars in the game.

  97. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    randy

    how’s the snow up there. juts rain in cape elizabeth?
    you think my brain waves are screwing up the weather here?

    ——————————————————————–

    Snowed during the night but has rained most of the day.

    As far as your influence on the weather I think you give yourself to much credit.

  98. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    GB7

    I got it covered.

  99. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Anybody notice that Juan Pierre, pretty good left-handed batter, just signed a minor league deal with the Phillies?

  100. pat January 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Joba_62Joba Chamberlain
    Had an amazing day, threw a flat ground with Larry and felt great! Thanks for all the support! #uknowwhour

  101. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    pat January 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Joba_62Joba Chamberlain
    Had an amazing day, threw a flat ground with Larry and felt great! Thanks for all the support! #uknowwhour

    ————————-

    This can’t be right Joba never tweets about the work he’s doing

  102. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    randy & GB7

    I hope you heard Jorge give Stump credit for helping him to a HoF career. :lol:

  103. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    That could be a nice pick up for the Phillies.

    I would really like the Yankees to reach out to Ankiel on a minor league deal.

  104. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    GB7

    I got it covered.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Are you just getting back into spring training snarking shape or is that the best you can do? You were taught to be better…especially agaist Randy. Start with nurse Karloff…work in a few remarks about his age. Go for the kill about his feed and seed store and bury him on his golf game.

  105. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Chip

    I also heard someone mention that they wondered if Stat was having trouble adjusting to the #4 instead of the #5 he was in Phoenix.
    ————–

    That’s possible too – though it shouldn’t be an issue – and if it is D’Antoni should be gameplanning in such a way that Chandler and Stat aren’t bumping into each other in the low blocks.

  106. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
    randy & GB7

    I hope you heard Jorge give Stump credit for helping him to a HoF career.

    He gave credit to Stump Girardi?

  107. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Other than Charles Barkley, the NBA has Nothing going for it. Why do you think Mark Cuban continues to try and get an MLB team? The ball-hogging\whinning of it’s “super stars” like Kobe is killing it.

    —————————–

    LOL what the NBA is coming off it’s best season since the Jordan era. This isn’t the Iverson/Marbury yrs. And Kobe is one of the biggest stars in the game.
    ————

    Always good when your biggest star is a rapist.

  108. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Though speaking of Kobe, the Yankees have to be encouraged about Alex after the way Bryant has responded to the German treatment.

  109. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Other than Charles Barkley, the NBA has Nothing going for it. Why do you think Mark Cuban continues to try and get an MLB team? The ball-hogging\whinning of it’s “super stars” like Kobe is killing it.

    —————————–

    LOL what the NBA is coming off it’s best season since the Jordan era. This isn’t the Iverson/Marbury yrs. And Kobe is one of the biggest stars in the game.
    ————

    Always good when your biggest star is a rapist.

    ———-

    The charges were dropped.

  110. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Always good when your biggest star is a rapist.

    ———-

    The charges were dropped.

    —————————

    Uh-huh. And OJ was found not guilty.

  111. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Chip

    Even though I don’t think the way D’Antoni coaches will be successful you need to give him a break.

    Remember the mess that team was in. It will take some time to be able to get the complimentary pieces to put with the stars.

  112. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Chip

    Even though I don’t think the way D’Antoni coaches will be successful you need to give him a break.

    Remember the mess that team was in. It will take some time to be able to get the complimentary pieces to put with the stars.
    —————-

    Isn’t that what Isiah Thomas kept saying :-)

  113. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Always good when your biggest star is a rapist.

    ———-

    The charges were dropped.

    —————————

    Uh-huh. And OJ was found not guilty.

    ———————-

    Yes because both cases are the same smh.

  114. stuckey January 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    “getting ready for evening road trip, but my quick thought is it’s a new level of scrutiny. i was aware of gabe paul and when he made the trade for figueroa and rivers for bobby bonds, but i don’t think as a fan i knew a tenth as much about him as i do cashman.

    “yes it’s literally a whole new ballgame with information being much more available to fans.
    it’s interesting though that the game on the field is pretty much the game i grew up with in the fifties.”

    I agree, Randy.

    That said, you and once discussed the value of sabremetrics, with you dismissing it as irrelevant because it doesn’t change what’s essentially a perfect game, thrived without, and if it hasn’t changed baseball, then it holds no value.

    I’d submit baseball didn’t have a problem attracting and respecting its fans in the days when a newspaper recap, boxscore, baseball cards and some color commentary on broadcasts made up the substance to fans connection to the game.

    Probably through the vast storied history of the game, fans knowing who the GMs even are and scrutinizing his day-to-day performance IS indeed a relatively brand new wrinkle.

    So should GM’s now give serious consideration to this NEW wrinkle in the game – media scrutiny – or given baseball history can and should it be ignored?

    I’d be genuinely interested in your thoughts.

  115. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    When NBA basketball becomes more relevant than the Jamaican bobsled team again, then, I’ll care about them.

  116. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    When NBA basketball becomes more relevant than the Jamaican bobsled team again, then, I’ll care about them.

    ——————————

    LOL.

    Seriously though you can make the case the NBA is more popular among 18-34 year olds than baseball is.

  117. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Yes because both cases are the same smh.

    ——————

    Not to get into a whole drawn out thing – because I’m not sure this is the right venue for it – but if you ask any prosecutor they’ll tell you that rape is among the hardest cases to make. And that’s when the perpetrator is just some average sicko not a superstar athlete.

    The case was dropped during jury selection not because the prosecution didn’t have enough to go forward and not because they didn’t believe he was guilty but because the woman backed out after her name and other information was leaked to the media.

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/5861379

  118. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    When NBA basketball becomes more relevant than the Jamaican bobsled team again, then, I’ll care about them.

    ———————————————————–

    I’m crushed. How can you be so heartless?

  119. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Chip

    And maybe some cash changed hands.

  120. pat January 27th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    IntentionalTalkMLB Network
    Watch @IntentionalTalk at 5pm ET for an interview with former @Rockies Dante Bichette.

    I bet he mentions Dante Jr.

  121. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Pitino was almost as bad for the Celtic’s as Isaiah was for the Knicks.

  122. Irreverent Discourse January 27th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Feel the rhythm! Feel the rhyme! Get on up, its bobsled time!

    Basketball is awful. :)

  123. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Basketball is awful. :)

    ——————————

    Finals ratings say other wise

  124. Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Maine -

    Money did change hands – after the criminal case was dropped Bryant settled the civil suit she brought against him.

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/7019659/

  125. Irreverent Discourse January 27th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Best Ever To Do It – Ratings prove… what? People watch survivor. people watcht he Jersey shore.

    So more ratings to me means more stupid people watching :)

  126. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Irreverent Discourse January 27th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Best Ever To Do It – Ratings prove… what? People watch survivor. people watcht he Jersey shore.

    So more ratings to me means more stupid people watching :)

    ————————————-

    Ratings prove that the NBA has gained some of the popularity they loss when Jordan left. You might not like it and that’s fine but the league is doing better now than it was years ago.

  127. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Chip January 27th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Yes because both cases are the same smh.

    ——————

    Not to get into a whole drawn out thing – because I’m not sure this is the right venue for it – but if you ask any prosecutor they’ll tell you that rape is among the hardest cases to make. And that’s when the perpetrator is just some average sicko not a superstar athlete.

    The case was dropped during jury selection not because the prosecution didn’t have enough to go forward and not because they didn’t believe he was guilty but because the woman backed out after her name and other information was leaked to the media.

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/5861379

    ————————

    It was messed up that personal info was leaked to the press

  128. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Having the Celtics and Lakers in the finals the last few years has helped the ratings.

    If the Knicks can continue to improve and get back to being relevant that will help as well.

  129. Best To Ever Do It January 27th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Having the Celtics and Lakers in the finals the last few years has helped the ratings.

    If the Knicks can continue to improve and get back to being relevant that will help as well.

    ———————-

    And everyone hating the Heat helps too.

  130. MaineYankee January 27th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    And everyone hating the Heat helps too.

    —————————————————————–

    That too.

    It’s not hard to do. :lol:

  131. GreenBeret7 January 27th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Congratulations to Maine, who was signed and will pitch for the Red sox…the traitor.

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