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What I haven’t learned from the Yankees

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This morning, Stanford Williams’ gave us a Pinch Hitter post about all of the things he’s learned from the Yankees. As a follow-up, here are some of the things I still haven’t learned about the Yankees heading into next season.

Pitchers and catchers report in exactly two weeks, and these questions still stand.

Who’s going to get the DH at-bats?
Alex Rodriguez will get some of them. Derek Jeter will get a handful. Andruw Jones could handle the job against lefties. But here were sit, this close to spring training, and we still don’t know who the Yankees regular designated hitter will be. The free agent market offers several veteran options, and we know Brian Cashman is exploring the trade market, but right now it’s a complete mystery. Could Chris Dickerson get some at-bats against right-handers? Could Jorge Vazquez get a chance to bring his all-or-nothing bat to the big leagues? Surely the Yankees will find someone, but who?

How do seven fit into five?
CC Sabathia is the Opening Day starter. We know that much. We know Hiroki Kuroda didn’t sign a $10-million deal to pitch out of the bullpen, we know the Yankees didn’t trade away Jesus Montero to get a Triple-A pitcher, and we know Ivan Nova was dominant last year’s second half. But we don’t know exactly how this Yankees rotation is going to shake out. In fact, the fifth starter favorite changes with each person you ask. Phil Hughes has the potential, A.J. Burnett has the contract and Freddy Garcia has the proof of a strong 2011 season.

What’s the plan for Alex Rodriguez?
He says he’s healthy, and the Yankees say he’s healthy, but after a series of injuries in recent years, exactly how much time with Rodriguez spend at third base? And if the Yankees need someone to give him a break now and then — once a week, let’s say — who’s going to fill that time? We know Eric Chavez is still out there, but Eduardo Nunez also had a solid debut (though obviously marked with some inconsistencies).

How far away is Joba Chamberlain?
Every indication is that Chamberlain’s recovery from Tommy John surgery is going as well as possible, but what does that mean? It surely doesn’t mean he’ll be ready for Opening Day, but is May a possibility? June? July? How conservative will the Yankees be, and what will Chamberlain’s stuff look like when he’s back in a game situation?

Should we expect surprises?
Maybe the question should be, what counts as a surprise? Should we be surprised if Robinson Cano is batting third in that first Grapefruit League game? Is it a lock that Derek Jeter will be the leadoff hitter? Is there any chance Rafael Soriano will step back into the eighth inning ahead of Dave Robertson? Joe Girardi is a man who sticks to his guns, but what are those guns — I mean, binders — telling him this year?

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415 Responses to “What I haven’t learned from the Yankees”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    PacoDooley – I think you might have attributed a lot more seriousness to the post than I intended. My implication was that Mo is the be-all-an-end-all to Yankee fans and we would never question our king.

    :)

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Chad – can’t ya read? Chill and enjoy the ride. :)

    Good waiters get good tips. Let things unfold. You’ll know the answers to those questions when they are made known.

    I personally enjoy the waiting game. It keeps me interested. I never have high anxiety when it comes to things Yankee. Years of watching the Yankees has told me I don’t need to do the worrying, that the Y Gang knows how to run a show.

    ;)

  3. m February 5th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    1. Jones/Vazquez/Ridriguez/Jeter
    2. Hughes in the rotation. AJ traded or bullpen. Garcia bullpen. Dark horse: Nova to AAA if he’s got arm issues.
    3. Alex needs to earn his $. If he’s healthy play him. No need to grind him, but he’s supposed to be a phenomenal athlete. Time to be athletic.
    4. Joba seems close. You either have to crowd him into the pen or go slow in AAA. I’m leaning towards the latter.

    I guess the best option is to sign Chavez. Then it’s Chavez/Jones/Rodriguez/Jeter in descending order for # of DH at-bats.

    Sans Chavez, I go with Nunez at backup and pray he contines to calms down in the field. The number of at-bats that Nunez gets might be one if the big surprises.

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    See Chad I told you you didn’t have to worry. All you needed to do was ask mel!

    :D

  5. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Damon

  6. 86w183 February 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    If they sign Chavez he’ll probably play 3B with A-Rod DH when he’s in the lineup.

    If Dickerson plays he’ll be in RF with either Swisher or Tex (Swish @ 1B) as the DH.

    When Nunez is in the lineup Jeter or ARod will DH

    That’s why I don’t favor signing a DH type who can not play in the field. An older lineup needs maximum flexibility with the DH spot.

  7. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Chavez is too fragile to be counted on, so he’s a waste of apparently scarce resources.

  8. Tar February 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    “Damon”

    Rich did you post here previously under the name “Erica”.

  9. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Tar

    Oh, you mean my wife, Morgan Faircild Erica?

    /Tommy Flanagan

  10. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    More seriously, DH by committee is not a good idea. It’s a position like any in the field and they need a real LHB because that was their weakness last season, not pitching.

  11. Bronx Jeers February 5th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Erica wouldn’t have said “Damon”

    She would have said ” Damon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “

  12. 86w183 February 5th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Rich in NJ —

    When the left side of your infield is almost a combined 75 years old DH by committee makes complete sense.

    The ideal addition would be a LH bat capable of playing some 1B/3B. I’m not all that keen on Chavez, but who do you suggest?

  13. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    86w183

    I take the opposite lesson from the combined age of the left side of the infield.

    Age really means increased susceptibility to injury, right?

    Why add to that with a player who NEVER stays healthy.

    DH by committee? Not to single out m, but let’s take her list one by one.

    Jones? He hits LHP, not RHP.

    A-Rod? As CB has said, his hip and knee problems are probably exacerbated by the torque of swinging, not playing the field. So let him rest when he isn’t playing the field.

    Jeter? He can’t hit RHP enough to DH.

    Vazquez? He can’t control the strikezone.

    They were bad v. RHP last season: .241 .337 .386 .723

    They need a real DH who can hit RHP.

  14. HungerGames February 5th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Thanks for all the kind words. I appreciate it. I could have written much more and just appreciate the opportunity so share some of my thoughts about the Yankees.

    Trisha, your comments made my wife teary eyed (in a good way). :) And Yanksgal07, Villa Nova-Ya, BD & randy l. she was touched by your comments too. I know I am probably leaving someone out that she specifically mentioned, but she enjoyed a lot of other comments as well.

    And Gary, I agree this is the Giants day. I like the Giants. And I am especially cheering for UVA grad Chris Canty.
    - Sanford

  15. Crawdaddy February 5th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    I seriously doubt, Arod is not resting everytime he’s not playing in the field. The same with Jeter, Tex, Cano, Swisher and probably Granderson. I do want a DH capable of hitting RH pitching for about 400 at-bats.

  16. PacoDooley February 5th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    “Freddy Garcia has the proof of a strong 2011 season”

    I’m starting to get tired of the view that Garcia had a particularly strong 2011. From what I recall, his FIP was pretty much exactly league average. He had a nice ERA and a decent number of wins, but his peripheral numbers suggest he was mediocre and is probably going to regress in 2012. I am betting that Cashman wishes he hadn’t signed Garcia now that he has 7 starters and Garcia is probably the 6th starter (assuming Burnett is best off in the bullpen at this point).

  17. Crawdaddy February 5th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Paco,

    For a 5th starter Garcia’s numbers were pretty good. He would have the advantage against most 5th starters he’s matched up against.

  18. Migs February 5th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    I don’t understand how people really believe in the rotation from last season…the Yanks got lucky with Garcia, nova, and colon..the rotation needed to be upgraded…we got one long-term solution, and one short-term solution.

    Hopefully Nova continues to take positive strides.

  19. randy l. February 5th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    The rotation is extremely deep especially in April
    Injuries in spring training may change a few things but the Yankees will have some decisions coming out of spring training

    I hope the new Yankee gm sends Pineda to Scranton to work on his change which gives Hughes a spot in the rotation Ti see if he can pick up where he left off in 2010

  20. Tar February 5th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    For their careers (number wise)- Garcia and Burnett are basically the same pitcher.

    Over the last 3 or 4 years Garcia has been trending steady or better and Burnett worse.

    Call it a hunch, but I think they are both due for a correction. Garcia trending down and Burnett doing better.

    IMO AJ ( if he’s not traded ) will play a bigger role in the Yankee success next year than Freddy.

    BTW I realize this is not a popular point of view ( to put it mildly). :D

  21. Against All Odds February 5th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    New Yankee GM?

  22. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    another pitcher that won’t be going to Boston. Brad Penny signs on with Japan.

  23. jacksquat February 5th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    randy l. February 5th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    The rotation is extremely deep especially in April
    Injuries in spring training may change a few things but the Yankees will have some decisions coming out of spring training

    I hope the new Yankee gm sends Pineda to Scranton to work on his change which gives Hughes a spot in the rotation Ti see if he can pick up where he left off in 2010

    Pineda has two very good pitches and Hughes has one, and that’s if his fastball velocity is good. It’s preposterous to suggest Pineda go to AAA and Hughes be handed a rotation spot. Even if Hughes looks great in spring training with 3 good pitches, Pineda still will be in the rotation. They didn’t trade Montero to stick what they received in the minors. You really should stop making this suggestion because it is ridiculous.

  24. randy l. February 5th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    “New Yankee GM?”

    You heard it here first :)

  25. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    “Chavez is too fragile to be counted on, so he’s a waste of apparently scarce resources.”

    Scarcer.

    Saying the Yankees resources are scarce in the context of teams they compete against is not.. you know … a smart thing to say.

  26. BIG AL February 5th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    “New Yankee GM?”

    You heard it here first

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I say it’s worth a hundred bucks to bet Cashman remains the Yankees GM.

    Talk is cheap, even if it’s just an effort to stir the pot. :)

  27. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    “Saying the Yankees resources are scarce in the context of teams they compete against is not.. you know … a smart thing to say.”

    Aw, stuckey, always taking out your jones on others. The overcompensation routine is so obvious.

    If a team has adopted austerity as a business practivce, as has been widely reported, and Cashman himself has said they weren’t going to make large expenditures beyond CC, then in terms of actually spending, which is all I meant, then their resources are in fact scarce.

  28. Against All Odds February 5th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    randy l. February 5th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    “New Yankee GM?”

    You heard it here first :)

    —————————–

    What is your success rate on predictions it’s in the 90s right?

  29. BIG AL February 5th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “What is your success rate on predictions it’s in the 90s right?”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Perhaps its in the 90′s, out of 1000, lol.

  30. randy l. February 5th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    “They didn’t trade Montero to stick what they received in the minors. You really should stop making this suggestion because it is ridiculous.”

    That’s what they told Galileo

  31. jacksquat February 5th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Ok, I think Randy is just trolling. :grin:

  32. Jerkface February 5th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    If Josh Hamilton had driven home and killed someone that night NO ONE would be falling all over himself/herself to forgive.

    Josh Hamilton has already killed a guy.

  33. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “IMO AJ ( if he’s not traded ) will play a bigger role in the Yankee success next year than Freddy.”

    I think that’s very possible, but because of contract size rather than performance.

  34. Against All Odds February 5th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    @ Big AL lol

  35. BIG AL February 5th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    “That’s what they told Galileo”

    Didn’t you grow up with him randy?

  36. LGY February 5th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Scarcer.

    Saying the Yankees resources are scarce in the context of teams they compete against is not.. you know … a smart thing to say.

    ——

    Hasn’t it been reported the Yankees only have $1-2M left to spend?

  37. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    “The overcompensation routine is so obvious.”

    Likewise your hair-trigger changeover from someone who claims to stay above personal attacks to someone all too willing engage in it.

    I said it wasn’t a smart THING to say.

    Yankees have operated on some level of “budget” for quite some time now. Their payroll was estimated to have been $208m in 2005, and hit of high of $213 last year. It has been as low as $189m during this time frame. But it has risen demonstrative since 2005.

    Consider just four years removed from 2005, their payroll was $112m. Whatever policy has been adopted was effectively adopted in 2005.

    You say “if” they’ve adopted austerity. Why are you speaking of it conditionally and as if were a new policy when all evidence points to it being 6-7 year old policy?

    Yankees gave Chavez a chance last year despite hardly playing in the preview four seasons. If they and he think its a fit, they’ll sign him again.

    Your post was drive-by baiting. I don’t know why you continue to get agitated when you get the nibble you intended.

  38. randy l. February 5th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    I’m not predicting Pineda will go to Scranton
    I’m suggestiing that’s the best place to learn the change really well fast.

    The yanks are loaded with pitching
    Thye can go without pineda for 6 weeks

  39. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    But it hasn’t risen demonstratively since 2005.

  40. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    From Cot’s.

    Opening Day payrolls
    (Major League contracts plus pro-rated signing bonuses):

    2011: $207,047,964
    2010: $213,359,389
    2009: $201,449,189
    2008: $209,081,577
    2007: $189,639,045
    2006: $194,663,079
    2005: $208,306,817
    2004: $184,193,950
    2003: $152,749,814
    2002: $125,928,583
    2001: $112,287,143
    2000: $107,588,459

    Anyone versed in identifying trends want to tell me what this data suggests in terms of when the Yankees found something of a maximum payroll threshold?

  41. Jerkface February 5th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Your post was drive-by baiting. I don’t know why you continue to get agitated when you get the nibble you intended.

    How is it drive by baiting to say Chavez would be a waste of the 2 million they have left to spend? Seems like you’re just trying to bait yourself.

  42. BIG AL February 5th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    randy l. -

    Why is it you believe Pineda would be best served learning a 3rd pitch in AAA, yet Hughes has had trouble throwing 1 pitch well, no less having 2 good pitches. Perhaps Hughes is the one that needs more AAA time. I believe Pineda will fair much better this season than Hughes, barring injuries to either.

  43. LGY February 5th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    What on earth are you talking about stuckey?

  44. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    “How is it drive by baiting to say Chavez would be a waste of the 2 million they have left to spend? Seems like you’re just trying to bait yourself.”

    Why are you interpreting something someone else said? He didn’t say that.

    And for that matter, who said they Yankees have a total of $2m left to spend total? The way I heard it, that was their reported budget for a DH.

    And doesn’t the Bubba Crosby rule apply overall?

  45. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    “Likewise your hair-trigger changeover from someone who claims to stay above personal attacks to someone all too willing engage in it.”

    No, not really. I didn’t insult you. I merely made an observation.

    But I’m not a saint. I do try not to get personal, however, when someone like yourself continually calls someone stupid in a variety of ways, it’s only natural for the object to state why a person would go that route. That’s all I did.

    “You say “if” they’ve adopted austerity. Why are you speaking of it conditionally and as if were a new policy when all evidence points to it being 6-7 year old policy?”

    Because for the first time that I can recall, there has been consensus reporting of an objective criterion or benchmark, with accompanying incentives for reaching it, based on what has widely been viewed as a game changing CBA, referred to by many as a constructive “soft cap.”

    Do you recall that happening before? If so, when.

    “Yankees gave Chavez a chance last year despite hardly playing in the preview four seasons. If they and he think its a fit, they’ll sign him again.”

    You may or may not have noticed that they occasionally do things I disagree with.

    “Your post was drive-by baiting. I don’t know why you continue to get agitated when you get the nibble you intended.”

    If you think that, you need to reboot your mind reading hat. I stated what I view as an obvious fact based on Cashman’s public statements and the ensuing reporting.

  46. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    “What on earth are you talking about stuckey?”

    That what people are fixated on the last few months since the new CBA was ratified has actually been going in Yankeeland since 2005.

  47. LGY February 5th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    That what people are fixated on the last few months since the new CBA was ratified has actually been going in Yankeeland since 2005.

    ——-

    You really live in your own world. That’s not what Rich is talking about.

  48. PacoDooley February 5th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Crawdaddy February 5th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
    Paco,

    For a 5th starter Garcia’s numbers were pretty good. He would have the advantage against most 5th starters he’s matched up against.
    ——————————————

    Fair enough – I suppose a league average 5th starter is fine, but the Yankees arguably have starters that are better (or at least likely to be better this season), and I agree with Tar that Burnett is quite likely to make that 6 pitchers that do better than Garcia this season. I think his smoke and mirrors tricks are going to crash down to earth.

    I can see the argument that he provides a nice change of pace to their hard throwing front end starters, but it’s not like he brings that in as a reliever, he brings it in as a starter in a different game, and they can judge slow stuff since they see a lot of it in batting practice.

  49. randy l. February 5th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    “That’s what they told Galileo”

    Didn’t you grow up with him randy?

    If galileo looked at you from his telescope backwards
    You have a nickname

  50. BIG AL February 5th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Have a great day folks, Go Big Blue!

  51. Jerkface February 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Why are you interpreting something someone else said? He didn’t say that.

    Thats exactly what he said. Chavez is a waste of money AND a roster spot.

  52. LGY February 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    And for that matter, who said they Yankees have a total of $2m left to spend total? The way I heard it, that was their reported budget for a DH.

    And doesn’t the Bubba Crosby rule apply overall?

    ———

    This is really funny in light of your 3:38pm post.

  53. randy l. February 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    New nickname

  54. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    “Because for the first time that I can recall, there has been consensus reporting of an objective criterion or benchmark, with accompanying incentives for reaching it, based on what has widely been viewed as a game changing CBA, referred to by many as a constructive “soft cap.”

    Do you recall that happening before? If so, when.”

    I don’t need a cue.

    I can read numbers.

    The Yankees spending essentially doubled between 2001 and 2005 and has essentially remained static since.

    Why do I need someone else to tell me what I can see for myself and identified YEARS ago?

    “You may or may not have noticed that they occasionally do things I disagree with.”

    Doesn’t mean signing Eric Chavez is going to cancel out another move.

    “If you think that, you need to reboot your mind reading hat. I stated what I view as an obvious fact based on Cashman’s public statements and the ensuing reporting.”

    Yankees budget has remained essentially static for 7 seasons, after doubling the previous 4.

    Do you consider that an obvious fact or does someone in the Yankees organization have to go on record confirming it wasn’t on accident to believe it was intentional.

  55. austinmac February 5th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    It seems very clear the Yankees have become more austere since George died. The new contract certainly makes it even more likely they will not spend big on free agents that impact 2014. Beyond that, spending has decreased in terms of dollar value over the last years.

    The Yankees are now, and will be for at least beyond 2014, one of the least likely teams to add costly players. That will make upcoming years ones in which the playing field has been greatly leveled.

  56. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    “Thats exactly what he said. Chavez is a waste of money AND a roster spot.”

    No, he said the Yankees resources were scarce, and followed this up by implying the Yankees “austerity as a business practivce” has been recently adopted, when you have to have your head in the sand not to notice it was in fact adopted 7 years ago.

  57. Jerkface February 5th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    when you have to have your head in the sand not to notice it was in fact adopted 7 years ago.

    Except now instead of floating around a soft limitation of 200 mil their goal is to reduce to 189.

  58. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    “The Yankees are now, and will be for at least beyond 2014, one of the least likely teams to add costly players. That will make upcoming years ones in which the playing field has been greatly leveled.”

    Well said.

    This isn’t worth my time right now.

    Go Big Blue!

  59. lounge lizard February 5th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    They were bad v. RHP last season: .241 .337 .386 .723

    They need a real DH who can hit RHP.

    ______________________________________________________

    I fully agree with the sentiment but that split slash line is from the five games of the 2011 posteason not the 2011 regular season.

    You may have been misled by a previous post since I saw those numbers crop up here and it nagged me that there was something wrong with them.

    The regular season team OPS vs. RHP was .771, still a significant deficit from the .827 vs. LHP.
    In 2009 the Yanks were a balanced .837R/.846L.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/st.....rk-yankees

  60. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    “Except now instead of floating around a soft limitation of 200 mil their goal is to reduce to 189.”

    I’m sorry, my mistake. I didn’t realize we were discussing this in the context of Eric Chavez signing a 3 year deal.

    I was assuming it would be a 1 year deal, and that the $189m 2014 goal had limited relevancy in an Eric Chavez discussion.

    Round and round…

  61. Jerkface February 5th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    2014′s looming budget impacts all the moves they make. You agree with Rich that they have scarce resources, you’re just trying to be MORE correct by saying they have had a limit for 5 years instead of newly adopted. We know what they have newly adopted, a goal to reach 189, and we know in the past they did not have a SET budget as evidenced by the range of total payrolls that are as low as 189 and as high as 213, and of course none of these include in season additions. There was no bait in Rich’s line, but you are on a crusade to gotcha him at every turn, even when you agree with him!

  62. Tar February 5th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Blake

    If you are out there Dook in a dogfight (and losing ) at Cameron. :D

  63. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    “2014?s looming budget impacts all the moves they make.”

    Why does it impact 1 and 2 year deals?

    “You agree with Rich that they have scarce resources, you’re just trying to be MORE correct by saying they have had a limit for 5 years instead of newly adopted.”

    No, I don’t agree. I think the Yankees have the most resources in baseball.

    And its 7 years.

    Do you agree or disagree with this position?

    “We know what they have newly adopted, a goal to reach 189,”

    In 2014.

    Eric Chavez has NO relevancy to this.

    “There was no bait in Rich’s line, but you are on a crusade to gotcha him at every turn, even when you agree with him!”

    Actually, no!

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    “BTW I realize this is not a popular point of view ( to put it mildly). ”

    Tar – I know it won’t shock you greatly to hear that I totally agree with your post! I believe that AJ is definitely due for a correction upward. I only hope he sticks around for us to see it.

    :)

    GO GINTS!!!!!

    Yesterday I went with my best friend to a very popular RI bakery and it was swarming with peeps getting SB sweets. My best friend’s husband is a Ys fan (and a Gints fan also) and so she bought a cake for today and had “Go Giants!” written on it as a surprise to her husband. Even though it was in pretty good humor, you can’t believe the reaction it got, from the bakery clerk who said she didn’t think she would be able to write it on the cake without getting fired, to the other patrons in the bakery who let out a unanimous “booooo!!!” :)

    I of course had to chime in and tell everyone they were going to be sorely disappointed “at the end of the day” because the Patriots weren’t going to win – but that at least they were getting some very good pastry out of it!

    :D

    By the way, the same scenario in a beantown bakery wouldn’t go over as well I fear. Those people are animales!

  65. Jerkface February 5th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    No, I don’t agree. I think the Yankees have the most resources in baseball.

    And its 7 years.

    Do you agree or disagree with this position?

    The Yankees have the most resources in baseball, but they only have 2 million dollars to spend on a DH. That means the resource is scarce. Just like they didnt have 100 million to spend on Darvish. Just like they traded Montero to get a cost controlled Pineda.

    Come on, you know what everyone is talking about.

    Eric Chavez’s relevancy is that he is a waste of the 2 million they have to spend. It should be spent on someone better and more useful.

  66. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    GB7,
    Here’s a description on the event being held here next weekend: toughmudders.com . They even award a prize for the best mullet.

  67. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Good link: http://toughmudder.com/

  68. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    “The Yankees have the most resources in baseball, but they only have 2 million dollars to spend on a DH.”

    Maybe. We don’t know that for certain.

    “That means the resource is scarce.”

    What it means is if someone doesn’t want Eric Chavez to occupy the 24th or 25th roster spot because they don’t think he’s good or healthy enough, say that.

    But the “resources” comments implies Chavez would use up all the money, when more effectively he’d be using up the last roster spot.

    Contextually, what’s most “scarce” in relevance to Chavez is a role and a roster spot. It implies if they use the money on Chavez, they won’t use it on someone else?

    Who is that someone else, the 26th man?

    “Come on, you know what everyone is talking about.”

    I DO know what everyone is talking about, which is why I get the vehement reactions when I respond.

    The Yankees having a LIMITED budget is nothing new, but lately with the new CBA coming into light, the Yankees desire to get under the tax threshold in 2014 is being derided.

    Terms like “scarce” are being used as a pointed object, to poke, to deride.

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  69. Jerkface February 5th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

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  72. LGY February 5th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    You seriously can’t comprehend Rich’s simple point that the Yankees only have $1-2M left to spend (hence the use of the word scarce) which is supported by reports and the fact that they are up against their effective budget limit (a limit you so conveniently posted at 3:38pm)? And he believes that due to Chavez’s fragility he would be a poor use of those resources?

    That lack of self awareness in this conversation is astounding.

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  76. Tar February 5th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    “If you can look at the “pregame without retching you’re a better man than I.,”

    I just turned it on. Watched a thoroughly enjoyable college hoops game.

    Nice win for Miami at Cameron, not an easy thing to do.

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    Am I entered? Hell, no! I’d have to be 35 years younger to even think of it. We’re putting up a bunch of folks who are doing it, though, so I”ll do it vicariously. The course out here is really hilly, wet and sloppy. The promoters are really proud of the pond scum they dredged out of a pond nearby. That’s an attraction?

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    tom,

    Are any of the TV networks covering it? I’d say that that event brings back fond memories, but, I’d be lying. It just brings back memories. brrrrrrrrr.

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

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  79. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Tar,
    Here in Georgia, UGA has a four-hour pregame, three-hour game, and a four hour postgame. I, too, watched the Miami game, and a little golf. Way to go Hurricanes, though. I’ll turn on the SuperBowl at six.

  80. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

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  81. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    “Chavez would not be the last man standing on the roster, so spending money on him outside of the roster implications means the 25th guy is going to be a minor leaguer/spring invite.”

    And if Chavez’s roster spot is used on someone else, you’re expecting something different in the 25th spot?

    Is the implication that for the high price of Eric Chavez, Yankees can have TWO higher quality ML contributors.

    Round and round…

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    The 10,000 volt electric stimulation is a nice touch, no?

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    Just sayin’

  85. GreenBeret7 February 5th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    tomingeorgia February 5th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
    GB7,
    Don’t think anyone’s carrying it on TV, but it’s the real “XGames”. Half-pipe my ass.

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    Jim McKay and chris Shenkle would have never passed up a chance to put this on ABC’s “Wide World Of Sports” back in the day. This was their kind of meat, along with speed skating and Alpine Ski Jumping and barrel jumping.

  86. PacoDooley February 5th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
    PacoDooley – I think you might have attributed a lot more seriousness to the post than I intended. My implication was that Mo is the be-all-an-end-all to Yankee fans and we would never question our king.
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    No sweat – just in a bad mood at the moment I suppose! Just waiting for the Superbowl to start and annoyed that I have to stay up late to see it (being in England)…

    Oh, and as a Yankees fan I have to love Mo, but I cannot stand listening to interviews with him, so I just enjoy what I see on the field.

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    The 10,000 volt electric stimulation is a nice touch, no?

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    LMAO. yeah, I’m lining up to be first in that event.

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    RMS – apparently not all posters know what’s important right now.

    Render to the Ys that which is the Ys. Render to the Gints…

    ;)

  89. stuckey February 5th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    “You seriously can’t comprehend Rich’s simple point that the Yankees only have $1-2M left to spend (hence the use of the word scarce) which is supported by reports and the fact that they are up against their effective budget limit (a limit you so conveniently posted at 3:38pm)? And he believes that due to Chavez’s fragility he would be a poor use of those resources?”

    That isn’t what he said. You’re just using a LOT of superfluous words to say the left-handed hitter the Yankees want to add shouldn’t be Eric Chavez.

    Which is fine.

    What resources the Yankees do or do not have left is really beside the point, unless you genuinely believe Chavez’s cost is going to take away from money they’d spend on ANOTHER roster spot.

    “That lack of self awareness in this conversation is astounding.”

    Indeed.

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    Awwww.

    And gee I’m thinking that Gronwkowski can’t be full speed.

    :D

    Ugh, Brady is a grub.

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    See ya half time.

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    It’d be great TV, except there are no winners or losers. The top 5% of finishers (keeping their own time) are entered in the World’s Greatest Mudder contest. It costs the entrants up to $150 to enter, for which they get the chance to get very cold, wet and sore, plus a t-shirt and a free beer at the end. All the proceeds go to Wounded Warriors. Great cause, big need here in Georgia.

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    Go Gints!

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    ———

    No sh*t. That’s the point Rich was making. Anyone that’s not looking to “bait” (using your word) or has an axe to grind with Rich can see that.

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    Have to wonder if GMS were still alive, would YES carry portions of this. “Wounded Warrior” was one of his pet projects. It’s a great program, though. Something that should have been thought of years and decades ago. With what Congress has done to medical care for vets over the years, it’s really needed.

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