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Pinch hitting: Dan Bocchino

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 15, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Dan Bocchino is our next Pinch Hitter. He’s been a Yankees fan since attending his first game in 1985, and now that he’s a married 35-year-old father of one, he still shouts managerial moves and instructions at his television. Dan is a Website manager, writer, comedian/actor, and editor who previously co-wrote a now defunct Yankees blog. Dan wrote that when he’s not working or watching baseball, he can be found spending time with his family, spending time in the kitchen, or spending time on stage.

For the record, I’m rarely found doing any of those things.

For his post, Dan looked at the difficult decision of asking veteran players to change positions. The Yankees face obvious concerns at shortstop and third base, but Dan would like to also invent a new position for another Yankees infielder.

In the movie Office Space, the character of Milton is constantly being relegated to an afterthought by his bosses and co-workers. No one listens when he talks, and they move his desk to the basement while asking him to handle the bug problem in the building. Milton may not have deserved such treatment, but between the foul lines, some Yankees need to start thinking about other ways they can help the team.

The phrase “aging veteran” is a bit overused in the world of baseball parlance, yet every team faces the problem of having players that fall into this category on their rosters. These vets may be superstars who have done too much historically for their teams to toss them aside, or they may be true aging veterans — guys who have hung on in an effort to revitalize their careers with little to no success.

The 2012 New York Yankees are no exception to this aging veteran rule, but one of the most glaring problems took care of itself recently. Jorge Posada’s decision to retire let the Yankees off the hook and prevented what would have been, no doubt, an acrimonious and tense situation. Posada would either have been relegated to the full-time DH spot, a role that he certainly didn’t prove capable of handling last season, or would have found work elsewhere. A Yankee/Posada divorce that resulted in the catcher going to another team would have been a PR nightmare, and would most certainly have brought Joe Girardi’s tense (at best) relationship with Posada into the spotlight. Crisis averted.

The same doesn’t hold true for some other Yankees. Much has already been said about Derek Jeter and his impending move to ________ (fill in the blank with the position of your choice – DH, OF, 1B, etc.). But, he had a nice bounce-back year offensively in 2011, even if his fielding stats left much to be desired (albeit in 100+ less chances than 2010). So, for now, we won’t really worry about Jeter and any possible position moves; we all know he’s the starting SS in 2012.

But what about 2013 and beyond? Does he stay at short until he retires? Will he DH more and more until he fully transitions to that spot? He could play first, but why move a defense-first player you already have entrenched there (more on Mr. Teixeira later).

The answer for Jeter and the Yankees is very simple — keep him at SS as long as he wants and as long as the team is successful with him playing there. His wins above replacement (WAR) for 2011 was 2.3, his worst since 1996. I think the WAR stat is a bit of a stretch, but without a better stat to measure (in black-and-white) the value of a player, it’s all we have. As long as you can put a future Hall of Famer in a skill spot on the field and have him be better than any other option, you play him there.

Unless that player’s name is Alex Rodriguez.

According to FanGraphs, A-Rod’s WAR for 2011 was 4.2, even better than that same stat from 2010, but that doesn’t paint the full picture. Alex hasn’t played in 140 games since 2007 and appeared in just 99 games last season, his lowest total since becoming an everyday big leaguer. The injury bug has bitten his rapidly aging body, and that’s a major concern for the 2012 Yankees. I don’t envision a scenario in which you can expect to get more than 100-120 games out of him this year.

The only way to possibly prevent that and to stretch his value is to ask him to DH the majority of the time. In doing so, you keep those creaky knees of his rested and you exploit the real value he brings to the game – his offense. Never a shining star with the glove at third, DH’ing would reinvent A-Rod’s game in the twilight of his career. Plus, it would open up a spot at third base for Eduardo Nunez, either setting him up for a future with the Yankees or showcasing him to other teams prior to July 31st.

The rest of the starting nine are where they should be, at least for now. But, there is one glaring exception that, I for one, wish would constitute a drastic rule change in the game of baseball.

Remember in Little League, when a coach could use the DH for any player, not just the pitcher? Some leagues used this caveat as a way to get another kid into the game, adding a level of simplicity to the “everyone plays” rule. That’s what the 2012 New York Yankees need for Mark Teixiera. Tex’s WAR has been in rapid decline over the past three seasons, and his robust .248 batting average ranked him 5 and 3 points lower than jettisoned Yankees Bobby Abreu and Hideki Matsui, respectively, and only 2 points higher than that bastion of offensive prowess Danny Valencia. Tex’s ability with the glove, and the glove alone, makes him way too valuable to move, but then again, where would you move him to even if you could? Last time I checked, there’s no spot on the 25-man roster for a designated fielder.

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132 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Dan Bocchino”

  1. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    I think the Yankees are floating weak rumors of a mystery team to push the Pirates to assume more salary.”
    —–

    Yea I agree….I think the Yanks are trying to create some leverage in a situation where they have none….maybe it’ll work and Pittsburgh will bend a little to get the deal done…..but honestly the Pirates have no real reason to budge much if any at all. Cash can play this out a little longer but soon be has to decide whether to do it or not and just move on.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Morning all. Still pulling the lonely AJ bandwagon and will continue to do so unless/until I’m told that the bandwagon has left town. :)

    About the blog without Pete. Sheer heaven. If you were one of Pete’s favs, I guess this could be a fun place. If you disagreed with a Pete take, you were “delusional” for the whole world to see – meaning he was not shy about posting nasty things when someone got in his crosshairs – which seemed to happen quite a bit. IMO, if you were the Mordred to Camelot type, Pete was your guy. If you prefer the Round Table, Chad is definitely your knight in shining armor. As for me, Viva La Table Ronde!!!

  3. LGY February 15th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Late to the party on this one, but…

    LINSANITY!!!

  4. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    ” That’s what the 2012 New York Yankees need for Mark Teixiera.”

    Tex has some issues vs RHP but I wouldn’t go that far…..he’s still an elite bat any time a LHP is on the mound and he’s also still a big power source from the left side……he’s not been what they thought they were getting the last couple of seasons…..but he’s still pretty good and is young enough to make adjustments……

    If they could DH for someone other than the pitcher then maybe hit for Martin on days when CC pitches.

  5. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Blake-

    I’d be pretty disappointed if a Burnett deal falls thru.

    I hope it happens.

    :(

  6. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    “LINSANITY!!!”

    I really could care less about the NBA but im considering becoming a Knicks fan…..what a story.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Good post, Dan. And what you aptly point out in the case of the Yankees further illustrates why they needed to leave the DH position fluid, at least for the coming future. With a younger team, tying up the DH spot with a super-star hitter can make sense. You can’t do it when the Yankees may need that position for an expensive contract player with years left on that contract. And as you again aptly pointed out in the case of Tex, you don’t just pull a position out of the air and shift someone there because there’s nowhere else to put the person. 26 doesn’t fit into 25, and 10 doesn’t fit into 9. Thinking ahead isn’t necessary the hallmark of a fan, especially a Yankee fan who is more tuned to the “I want it now” school of thought. But it isn’t something an organization has to do in order to remain successful.

  8. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    MTU,

    Ill be shocked if he’s not traded.

    To me….his interested the Yankees are in Soler will almost totally depend on if they can get him on a minor league deal or not…..if it has to be a major league contract then I just can’t see them putting that money on their payroll with all their concerns about the budget and getting under the soft cap in 2014.

    If the Cubs did offer 4/28 on a MLB deal……then beating that would require the Yanks to put over 7 million per year on their big league payroll (which is luxury taxed)…..I don’t think they have that wiggle room if they are serious about 189 in 2014.

    If he’d do a minor league deal…..then id expect them to bid very aggressively.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    LGY – I personally love the guy’s humility. It hasn’t escaped me that he comes from the Tebow and Mariano genre. I believe that helps to keep those guys as humble as they are.

    In any event, what a story.

    (Does YES carry the Knicks? If so, I’ll sign up early and get DTV turned back on. I’ve been watching online when the games aren’t televised on the NBA network, but I’d certainly prefer to watch it on the big screen.)

    :)

  10. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    A couple of thoughts. Since I wasn’t around yesterday please forgive me if I’m repeating something that was already discussed:

    1. It’s interesting that some are attributing the lack of suitors for Damon to the fact that there’s a perception that his desire to reach 3,000 hits will take away from his game. That he won’t be as patient or selective at the plate because he knows that his at bats are limited.

    2. I don’t believe that the Indians would ever seriously consider dealing a popular player like Pronk for AJ Burnett. It might make total baseball sense, but it would be crippling to their public relations.

    3. I really hope the Yankees don’t overplay their hand with Burnett

    4. Sandy Alderson does not sound like a man who has any intention of either trading Wright or re-signing him. CGWWW!!!!

    5. Soler would be nice.

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock February 15th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I want AJ moved because he blocks younger, likely worthier arms like Hughes/Dellin/Banuelos, but if they chose to do this near the trade deadline, that would be fine with me.

    AJ’s older and has underachieved as a regular-season pitcher his whole career, including here, but he’s done pretty well for us in the big postseason game. He’s not Carl Pavano, and I really don’t want to see posts that run him down once he’s gone.

    We still might be better off waiting to move him, but it seems this thing is already drawing to a conclusion with the Pirates. I would have preferred maybe lengthening the deal and getting a real player back, but they – and everyone else – seem desperate just to be rid of him as soon as possible.

    As usual, the Yankees don’t seem to think things out very well.

  12. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Jim Duquette @Jim_Duquette 22m Hearing some bad news with #Orioles Britton and his shoulder. Injury from last year is still lingering. Workload will be limited in ST.

    Orioles fans might as well go ahead and buy some Nationals gear and just jump ship.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    MTU and blake, it’s hard to imagine a deal not getting done, only because it seems that both teams really want it to happen. It might be one of those 11th-hour deals, but I have to believe it will get done.

    While I still believe in AJ, if it means that he no longer has a place in the rotation I would much rather see him traded so that he can try to help out another team. I have no doubt that he still has good baseball in him – and that it will translate to the mound.

  14. GreenBeret7 February 15th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    MTU February 15th, 2012 at 8:51 am
    Thanks GB.

    I was just wondering what you thought. I hope it happens.

    What about Soler. Think we are gonna make a serious run at him ?

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    Yeah, I think the Yanks are in on soler. I’m sure that they’ll make a substantial offer to him. Will it be enough? Who knows? My guess is that if they don’t get him, there will be plenty of whining and crying on here about them not doing enough….just like with Darvish, Concepcion and Cespedes. Of course, that’s always the case when NY doesn’t get the “Soup Of The Day” that fans don’t get their way. 99% of them don’t know anything about these players other than they’re the media talk of the day, but, they’ve just got to have ‘em or their lives are ruined.

  15. Doc Iac February 15th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    “Never a shining star with the glove at third”

    i think arods Defense at 3rd is good…

  16. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    That is one of the reasons I wanted to see Chavez back. GG D at 3rd.

    It’s very possible that A-Rod will need more rest days to stay healthy.

    So far Nunez has not shown much with the glove at 3rd. Perhaps that changes this season. Who knows.

    Is Laird in the picture at all ?

  17. Erin February 15th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Dan- Great job! Oh, and an Office Space reference=awesome. :)

    YankeesPR Birthday wishes go out today to catcher Russell Martin!

  18. Doc Iac February 15th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    trish – im with u on AJ, i want to keep him as well

  19. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    . “Maybe Sandy Alderson does not sound like a man who has any intention of either trading Wright or re-signing him. CGWWW!!!!”

    It would be a fireable offense for him to let him walk as they did with Reyes.

  20. 86w183 February 15th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    The best thing to do with Soler is convince him to take a minor league contract in exchange for more up front money. Say a $ 10 M signing bonus and $ 4 M a year for five years?

    I’m not saying I’d do it, because I’ve never seen the kid play, but the more up front money involved the better the chances of getting him to agree to a minor league deal.

    I’ve said all along the Yankees need to use DH by committee as long as Alex is on the team, which is about another 15 or 16 years I think. With the left side of the infield about to turn 75, flexibility in utilizing that spot in the lineup is crucial.

  21. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Blake/Trisha/GB-

    Thanks for your thoughts on AJ, etc.

  22. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    The Yanks don’t have room in the self imposed budget for Soler if its a big league deal…..putting 7+ million on the payroll for a guy to play in the minors would make getting under the soft cap even harder…..Im hoping he doesn’t demand a MLB contract

  23. Gary February 15th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    St. Pete Yankee February 15th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Middle of the lineup: Late last August, I felt that Arod’s proper place in the order was 6th. Whatever the reason, he just wasn’t getting the job done at 4th. I will be surprised if he does much better this year. But his fragile ego will force Girardi to keep him at 4th, which could be a negative for the team.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I’m not worried about ARod unless he starts to show that the bat speed is starting to slow down. It comes at some point to every player, when the pitchers know that they can get you out by throwing heat in certain spots and then the players starts chasing the other off speed stuff. Many older guys just get themselves out. Even though he was so so when he came back last year, he had alot of those straight back fouls to the screen indicating he was right on the pitch, but just a bit under it. If ARod is not hitting in general that will be a negative for the team, I don’t think it has more to do with his spot in the order as much.

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock February 15th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    I don’t agree with the poster’s comment about Posada.

    He wasn’t comfortable DH’ing after years of being a catcher. He viewed it as a demotion an that affected his performance.

    Even though he’s the oldest, I’d take Posada as DH over the guys they allegedly are thinking about. His bat would play well especially LH in a last go-round in NYS. But, it’s probably best for him not to be subject to the mind games of those two for another year.

  25. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Soler is said to be a 5-tool kid.

    Wouldn’t mind having another one to go with Williams and Santana.

    Hey. I admit it. I’m greedy.

    :)

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Although the O’s didn’t make any big splash in the off season they do look to be regrouping. They got a few interesting trades and they signed a lot of “scrap heap” players to minor league deals. Don’t forget that the Yankees have done nicely with some of their scrap heal deals.

    Never count anybody out of it. Too much hubris involved in doing that. (Unless it’s the Sux of course, and then it’s never hubris, always tremendous foresight.

  27. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    If the Cubs are offering 4/28 on a big league deal……how much up front would the Yankees have to offer for him to accept a minor league contract?

  28. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    . “Maybe Sandy Alderson does not sound like a man who has any intention of either trading Wright or re-signing him. CGWWW!!!!”

    It would be a fireable offense for him to let him walk as they did with Reyes.
    ——————–

    Not really –

    The mandate from ownership might well be “We’re not trading away Wright, he sells tickets. But we also won’t be able to afford him next year.”

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Doc – I do agree with you about Arod’s defense at third. I think he’s been great in fact.

  30. Gary February 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 15th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    I don’t agree with the poster’s comment about Posada.

    He wasn’t comfortable DH’ing after years of being a catcher. He viewed it as a demotion an that affected his performance.

    Even though he’s the oldest, I’d take Posada as DH over the guys they allegedly are thinking about. His bat would play well especially LH in a last go-round in NYS. But, it’s probably best for him not to be subject to the mind games of those two for another year.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    J Alfred, less to do with comfort, more to do with erroding skills. He was at the end of the busline. Wish he would have hung it up the previous year. I’d take most anyone right now over him, he can’t get it done anymore, retirement was the right decision.

  31. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    If the Cubs are offering 4/28 on a big league deal……how much up front would the Yankees have to offer for him to accept a minor league contract?
    ——————-

    Big league deal just means that he has to be in the majors after 4 years – doesn’t mean you can’t start him in the minors.

  32. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    “The mandate from ownership might well be “We’re not trading away Wright, he sells tickets. But we also won’t be able to afford him next year.”

    Then they need a new owner.

  33. 108 stitches February 15th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    A Burnett deal will get done no later than Friday to allow Burnett to take his physical in Bradenton on Sunday.
    The Yankees have a liitle leeway in adding a DH with position players not reporting for physicals until next Thursday in Tampa.

  34. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    “Big league deal just means that he has to be in the majors after 4 years – doesn’t mean you can’t start him in the minors.”

    Yes….but the issue is the money goes on the big league payroll even if you send him to the minors….which he would.

  35. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Blake -

    Plus there’s plenty of dead space on the 40 – Yankees could return one of their Rule 5 picks or DFA Dickerson.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Never mind. I should have figured that if MSG had the Knicks, YES couldn’t possibly. YES = Nets.

  37. Gary February 15th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    108 stitches February 15th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    A Burnett deal will get done no later than Friday to allow Burnett to take his physical in Bradenton on Sunday.
    The Yankees have a liitle leeway in adding a DH with position players not reporting for physicals until next Thursday in Tampa.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I hope they make a big splash with Soler.

  38. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    “Plus there’s plenty of dead space on the 40 – Yankees could return one of their Rule 5 picks or DFA Dickerson.”

    Its not an issue of roster space……its about their budget

  39. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Chip,
    They wont even sign a DH without trading AJ…..are they going to put 7+ million on the payroll for a guy to play A ball?

  40. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    If the Yanks want Soler then they should offer him a bunch of money up front and try to get him to sign a minor league deal then just bring him up through the system…..

  41. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Blake-

    Rumors R Us reports that there are many teams in on Soler.

    With that much competition for his services the odds of us landing him go down.

    :(

  42. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    “Plus there’s plenty of dead space on the 40 – Yankees could return one of their Rule 5 picks or DFA Dickerson.”

    Its not an issue of roster space……its about their budget
    —————

    True true.

  43. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    If the Yanks want Soler then they should offer him a bunch of money up front and try to get him to sign a minor league deal then just bring him up through the system…..
    —————

    My guess is that Soler’s agent is going to push for the ML deal to put a clock on how long his client will have to ride the bus in Podunk. The money’s going to be fairly even across the board.

  44. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    MTU,

    I think an advantage teams like the Cubs have is that they can offer Soler a big league deal….and have that money on their payroll without it being taxed…..they have more flexibility financially than the Yankees do given the restrictions the Yanks (self imposed and by the league) are working under.

    It would be tough IMO for the Yanks to have that money on their payroll and the player be 3 years away from helping the big league club …….at least Cespedes is supposedly close to the big leagues ……now if he would do a minor league deal then its a different t story.

  45. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    “The mandate from ownership might well be “We’re not trading away Wright, he sells tickets. But we also won’t be able to afford him next year.”

    Then they need a new owner.
    ——————-

    Well I don’t think you will find any shortage of Met fans who would agree with that. There is a feeling that Bud had the Mets hire Alderson with the expressed purpose of cutting the payroll in advance of a sale – at which point Alderson would move over to replace Selig as commissioner.

  46. dogface February 15th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    My guess is that Soler’s agent is going to push for the ML deal to put a clock on how long his client will have to ride the bus in Podunk. The money’s going to be fairly even across the board.

    =======================================

    Even with the major league deal, he’s probably spending at least 3 years, and probably 4, in the minors.

  47. Erin February 15th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    The Grandyman has arrived…

    eboland11 Romine and Jeter taking BP and, making his ST debut, Curtis Granderson. Hitting coach Kevin Long also here for 1st time this week

  48. pat February 15th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Grandy and K Long have joined the party in Tampa.

  49. Villa Nova-Ya February 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Wow. 30 Hrs and 100 RBI is not enough?

    I know Teixeira’s BA has taken a beating of late. I believe he’ll improve this season – maybe not to the heights it used to be, but significantly better than 2011.

    Designated fielder for a power & rbi guy. Sigh.

  50. RayVT February 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Nice write-up! Saying that I am always confused why folks worry about a season ahead (2013) when the Yanks haven’t even started 2012 yet. Baseball is a day-to-day game where dynamics can change on one play, one injury or one Lin mania type step up in production.

    Who knew some kid years ago was going to step up at SS for the Yanks – Derek Jeter?

    Who knew a great Catcher named Munson would pass away?

    Who knew Chicken & Beer would de-rail the best team ever assembled in MLB?

    That said it is interesting to follow folks & even think ahead, but to worry about it seems to lack understanding about all the dynamics involved. Somehow do we think our concerns are overlooked by a mega-giant like the Yankee organization that they can’t introduce Plan B, Plan C, … Plan Z even?

    Personally I hate to see AJ go, because he is a good guy! I do expect him to be traded and I would not be surprised if the team he goes to is Baltimore. It just makes sense for them.

    I miss the guys who use to play for the Yankees! Bernie, Mickey, Roger, Yogi, Moose, Whitey, O’Neil, Straw, Doc, Munson, Reggie, Willie, Donnie Baseball, Guidry, Andy, Moose, Wells, Coney, Lou, Rickey, Jesus, … even Torre, but I am a Yankee fan 1st and foremost. I trust that they will make both good & bad decisions but I look forward to them working out.

    What I do know is the Yanks aren’t broke & they have a great Nucleus for 2012 and beyond with probably their best MiLB prospects ever or at least in a very long time. They can replenish or develop what ever they need in an assortment of ways. That helps me to relax and enjoy the process. Of course, I will still give my opinion rightly or wrongly, but that is why teams still play on the field! LOL! Besides you never know when the difference in a season may ride on chicken wings and a prayer!

  51. Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    The Yanks don’t have room in the self imposed budget for Soler if its a big league deal…..putting 7+ million on the payroll for a guy to play in the minors would make getting under the soft cap even harder…..

    ———————————-

    You’re a brave man, blake, discussing the Yankees spending habits on a Yankees blog of all places…

  52. austinmac February 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I don’t think Williams or maybe Santana are five tool players since they may not have the power potential. It is time–the first time this year–to use their money advantage. They can affford him. No one yet knows, as far as I can tell, when he will actually become available and whether it will be before the July rule changes. I wonder if MLB will diddle around so he won’t get the enormous money.

    Jerkface says the money has to be up front if it is a minor league contract as they can’t pay him annually a large spread out sum. Frankly, I don’t know why that would be. It seems to me they should be able to structure the contract any way theparties can agree upon. Perhaps, their is some rule about which I am unfamiliar.

    All that said, I will be rather shocked if the Yankees make a competitive bid.

  53. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    “Even with the major league deal, he’s probably spending at least 3 years, and probably 4, in the minors”

    Probably…..but the thought that we’ve been working off of all winter is that Soler would probably be a minor league deal because of his age and how far away from the big leagues he was…..if thats not the case then it makes it a lot harder for the Yanks to sign him.

  54. blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    Shame,

    I know…..I need to be more careful ;)

  55. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Blake-

    I agree with you.

    Soler is not a need. He’s a nice to have. We already have Williams, Santana, and Heathcott in the pipeline.

    With the budget concerns our flexibility is reduced and other teams have an advantage in being able to go ML deal.

    Cespedes must be in shock. Imagine coming from the relative Poverty of Cuba and becoming an overnight multi-millionaire ? Kid hit the Megabucks Lotto. Gonna get him some serious bling.

    Wow !

    :)

  56. Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    The Mets are a damn disaster zone… letting Wright walk is ridiculous. If you can’t afford him, which they can’t, then at least get something back for him.

    If Cash can get money AND 2 prospects for the LoHud whipping boy, Aj freakin Burnett, imagine what the Mets could get for Wright.

  57. Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Chip – What could the Mets get back for Wright? You’re always particularly creative in this area ;)

  58. Tackelberry February 15th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Given the lack of top position prospects in the system, especially outfielders, Yanks would be foolish to at least not make a competitive offer for Soler

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    ‘You’re a brave man, blake, discussing the Yankees spending habits on a Yankees blog of all places…”

    Shame – do you give yourself demerits?

    ;)

  60. Benny Blanco February 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    SportsJC16

    Can someone explain to me why #yankee fans are so panicked over burnett trade talks? Relax. He’s getting moved. Just a matter of time.

    29 minutes ago via twitter.

    SJ44 has spoken, everyone back to work or as you were :)

  61. Benny Blanco February 15th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    I know SJ hasn’t posted but you have to believe he’s been reading the blog at least.

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 15th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Ray – great post!

    :)

  63. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Benny-

    Thanks. If SJ says it it’s as good as done.

    Now I can go back to concentrating on what they’ll do with the extra moolah.

    :)

  64. Erin February 15th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    NYPost_Kernan Cervelli joins #Yankees pre-camp party

  65. PacoDooley February 15th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 9:28 am
    “Big league deal just means that he has to be in the majors after 4 years – doesn’t mean you can’t start him in the minors.”

    Yes….but the issue is the money goes on the big league payroll even if you send him to the minors….which he would.
    —————————

    Agreed, it’s all about the costs of having him on the 40 man roster while he develops in the minors. I don’t see why he would push hard for a roster spot. He could negotiate an out clause where he limits his time in the minors if he doesn’t get called up (to avoid being blocked at a position or being caught in AAAA land). If the money is there and he can get an opt out after 3 years in the minors, then I don’t see why a player would really demand a spot on the 40 man roster.

    Personally, I just don’t see how a 19 year old can pull in that sort of contract.

  66. 86w183 February 15th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    How is it foolish to decide not to offer $ 20 M plus to an allegedly 19-year-old kid who may or may not ever reach the majors?

  67. Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    trisha – I’m a walking demerit.

    I do wish SJ would do some drive bys lol, same goes for the old morning crew, who I continue to miss dearly :(

  68. Crawdaddy February 15th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    “How is it foolish to decide not to offer $ 20 M plus to an allegedly 19-year-old kid who may or may not ever reach the majors?”

    Because the Yankees have money to burn, they don’t have any outfielders with power and more importantly, it’s not my money.

    Being serious, I would go along with what my scouts are saying about that player and if they tell me he’s not worth the price then I’ll go with their recommendation.

  69. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    All I know is that P and C’s report soon and we can start talkin’ some real baseball.

    Got to be happy about that.

    :)

  70. blake February 15th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    “Personally, I just don’t see how a 19 year old can pull in that sort of contract.”

    Its probably just a matter of what teams are willing to pay…..Theo is desperate to get some talent in that system and perhaps he’s willing to go overboard to ensure he gets it.

  71. Crawdaddy February 15th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Also, I’m not so sure the Yankees don’t have any outfielders with power as I think they have some sleepers that are and have a better read on as a player.

  72. jpmatrixfan88 February 15th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    This pinch hitting post was good until the absolutely insane last paragraph. Some of you people need to seriously get your heads examined when it comes to Teixeira. Has his average and overall effectiveness against righties slipped? Sure. But freakin’ DH for a guy who hit 39 HR’s and drove in 111 RBI? That is laughable at best.

  73. Kleenex Queen February 15th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Snif..snif…snif…what’s up with AJ? He still with us?

  74. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Chip – What could the Mets get back for Wright? You’re always particularly creative in this area
    ——————-

    Well I don’t think they would ever trade him to the Yankees, that’s first.

    Second – if he’s traded he can become a FA at the end of this year, which hurts his trade value a bit. Third – it completely depends on what kind of season he’s having. Fourth – is how many teams are interested in him.

    Let’s assume last year was a blip and he’s back in line with his career norms of .300 BA, .380 OBP and .890 OPS.

    The teams I would put in the mix are:

    LA Angels
    St. Louis
    Boston (if Youk gets hurt)
    and if they’re contending: Seattle, Colorado, Arizona, and Cleveland

    My dark horse team would be Detroit. If Miguel Cabrera doesn’t work out at 3b – which he won’t – they could move him to DH and take a one year flyer on Wright.

    As for what the Mets could get back – I would say one A prospect at least, maybe two depending on how many teams are in on him.

    Again, it’s tough to predict – I never would have thought the Mets would get a guy like Wheeler for an over the hill Beltran – but desperation can make GMs do silly things.

  75. 86w183 February 15th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    The idea the Yanks have “money to burn” has been proven NOT to be the case. They have limits like everyone else in the game, and throwing a $ 10-15 M signing bonus at a 19-ish Cuban OF is very risky business.

    The reason Soler and Cespedes are getting the $$$ they are getting is simply Free Agent status. That’s why agents would love to dfo away with the amateur draft. Any idea what Stephen Strasburg might have gotten as a FA? More than the $ 36 M Cespedes got probably.

  76. PacoDooley February 15th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 10:18 am
    “Personally, I just don’t see how a 19 year old can pull in that sort of contract.”

    Its probably just a matter of what teams are willing to pay…..Theo is desperate to get some talent in that system and perhaps he’s willing to go overboard to ensure he gets it.
    ——————————–

    Agreed, the Cubs need talent and have the cashflow. But I am surprised that there would be that much competition for his services to push it up to that level. I guess he has the leverage that drafted players do not have, which makes you realize that a player like Harper could have made a ton if he had the leverage.

  77. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Shame –

    I left out – it also depends on how many quality 3b are available at the same time as Wright. Of course there aren’t that many quality 3b in baseball right now and the ones I would consider better than Wright (Zimmerman and Longoria) aren’t going to be traded.

    Another team to put into the mix – Cincy assuming the annual Scott Rolen injury.

  78. austinmac February 15th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    I don’t think the Yankees have any power hitting outfielders that can make decent contact. Of course, I have no idea if Soler would either. If he is thought to have the hit tool along with the power tool, he would be a unique outfielder in the Yankee minor leagues.

  79. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    A’s to sign Manny Ramirez.

  80. Hassey February 15th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Great to see Erin revving her Ferrari V12 engine to get ready for the season a bit early…that’s my kind of combustion!

  81. Tackelberry February 15th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    If their scouts feel he is the real deal then they should make a competitive offer for him. Heathcott has proven to be brittle and has already had 2 shoulder operations. Not sure how far he is gonna go. As for Williams and Santana, neither is projected to have much power which Soler does.

  82. 86w183 February 15th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    I hope they aren’t the same scouts that recommended a $ 26 M posting fee for Kei Igawa

  83. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    You don’t need power at every position on the field.

    The Yankees have plenty of big boppers.

    What they need are a few, high-contact, gap type hitters who hit for Avg.

    Not only that. Guys like Williams and Santana are very young and still filling out there frames.

    Maybe the power part shows up later.

    Williams was an absolute stud last year. Gotta have high hopes for his continued progress.

    They do not NEED Soler IMO although he would deepen the pipeline.

    There is a ton of competition for his services. That is also a negative.

  84. Gary February 15th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    MTU fishing tomm :-)

  85. Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Crawdaddy February 15th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    “How is it foolish to decide not to offer $ 20 M plus to an allegedly 19-year-old kid who may or may not ever reach the majors?”

    Because the Yankees have money to burn, they don’t have any outfielders with power and more importantly, it’s not my money.
    ——————————

    Demerit :D

  86. TheStraw February 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    “David Cameron @d_a_cameron
    So, apparently, it takes as long to complete an AJ Burnett trade as it takes for AJ Burnett to get through five innings.”

    ha.

  87. Crawdaddy February 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    “I hope they aren’t the same scouts that recommended a $ 26 M posting fee for Kei Igawa”

    That scout was fired a long time ago.

  88. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Gary-

    Get me a Dorado. Have fun. Stay safe.

    We have a big storm out here today. Much needed rain and snow.

  89. Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Chip – I like that the first thing you pointed out was that the Yankees won’t be players lol. Sad too, because I love David so much (although I know you’re 100% correct).

    I think considering the lack of elite 3B in the league, he could get a pretty good haul even if he wasn’t having a great season. The thing that I think will work in his favor is that he plays for the Mets and they’re terrible. Even if he stumbles a little at the start of the year, I think half the GMs in the league will attribute it to the fact that he knows he’s a goner and maybe just mentally uncomfortable with that club. Then again, that very same train of thought should motivate him to have a monster season. I think between FA and the walls coming in a bit, he should be pretty solid this year.

    I’d hate to see him in Beantown…

  90. pkyankfan69 February 15th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Can someone explain to me what the Yankees are doing here?

    It is my understanding that the Pirates pretty much have agreed to take AJ and pay him 10-12 mill correct?

    That sounds like a great deal to me even getting nothing of value in return.

    I’m assuming they are trying to get other teams involved to raise the AJ price a bit?

    Hopefully this strategy doesn’t turn around and bite the Yanks in the ass

  91. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    69-

    There are people who are in a better position to know who said it it’s a done deal. Just a matter of time. Don’t sweat it they say.

    I hope they are right.

  92. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Chip – I like that the first thing you pointed out was that the Yankees won’t be players lol. Sad too, because I love David so much (although I know you’re 100% correct).

    I think considering the lack of elite 3B in the league, he could get a pretty good haul even if he wasn’t having a great season. The thing that I think will work in his favor is that he plays for the Mets and they’re terrible. Even if he stumbles a little at the start of the year, I think half the GMs in the league will attribute it to the fact that he knows he’s a goner and maybe just mentally uncomfortable with that club. Then again, that very same train of thought should motivate him to have a monster season. I think between FA and the walls coming in a bit, he should be pretty solid this year.

    I’d hate to see him in Beantown…
    —————–

    Shame -

    Yeah, I just can’t see the Mets and Yankees making a trade that high profile. The 3 way with Justice, Ventura and Guthrie was probably as meaningful as you’re going to get.

    I think that the Tigers are a better shot than the Red Sox to land him. Boston’s farm system is hot garbage right now, though maybe a deal with Iglasies, Middlebrooks and Kalish for Wright and Pelfry would be worth both GMs exploring.

  93. RayVT February 15th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Jorge Soler is most likely going to be a Yankee. Frugal spending that affects the Luxury Cap is one thing, but talent will get Yankee dollars if they deem the player to be needed or that good.

    The Yankees are a multi-billion dollar business and they are not looking to reduce their value or even their perceived value by being cheap or extravagant. DuVarish is not worth $100M+ nor is Cepedas worth $50M for the Yanks along with their additions to the 40-man & Luxury Cap impact. The Luxury cap reduction for the Yanks is a viable goal so spending in areas that don’t affect the Luxury cap are still favorable since a one time reduction could influence years of value.

    So I believe Soler becomes a Yankee along with other potential players that make sense.

  94. Gary February 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    MTU February 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Gary-

    Get me a Dorado. Have fun. Stay safe.

    We have a big storm out here today. Much needed rain and snow
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I knew you were going to say that. 76 here already no snow :-)

    Fishing from the causeway tomm with friends, just the shore fish we have talked about, no Mahi. Next week we are going on a inshore charter, speckled Trout, Redfish, Spanish Mackrel ect. Don’t know when I will be out in the Gulf next, Grouper is shutdown for a couple months and it’s alot of money to pay for Mahi and Amberjack, maybe if you get a few Kings it’s more worth it.

  95. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Ray-

    He would need to accept a MiLB contract to play for the Yankees. He may not want to when others might be willing to offer him a ML deal.

    The money needs to come out of another pocket due to budgetary concerns.

  96. jacksquat February 15th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    A-Rod’s defense at 3B is good.

    And he doesn’t have “creaky knees”. He had a knee injury that could happen to any player, even young ones. His major injury was his hip, and that was thought to be brought on by the torque generated from his swing, so DH’ing probably doesn’t help there. I still say he’ll be at 3B for the next 2-3 years.

  97. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Gary-

    Maybe we can make a deal. I’ll trade you trout for snapper.

    :)

  98. MaineYankee February 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    pkyankfan69

    It is my understanding ,sounds like ,I’m assuming ,Hopefully .

    Look at these key words. It’s hard to really know what is taking place without full knowledge of what is actually happening.

  99. Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Chip – I dunno about the Tigers. I certainly see your point, and adding Wright would sure up their (currently nonexistent) defense a bit, but I don’t know that I see a place for him with Cabrera and Fielder both signed for a few years at big dollars.

    I wonder if Wright will go NL or AL…maybe Miami will sign him just to make Hanley mad again.

  100. stuckey February 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    “Can someone explain to me what the Yankees are doing here?”

    Nope.

    All our information is by a series of tweets and short stories by sports writers being fed information of dubious veracity, fed to them likely to advance someone’s agenda.

    Trying to assess where this trade REALLY stands, and what the Pirates and Yankees intentions, limits and threshholds REALLY are is guesswork.

    As such, there is really NO basis on which to try to evaluate what schedule this process should be on, and whether or not the trade is any more or less likely to happen because of it.

  101. DONNYBROOK February 15th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Yanks need to get CC into camp and have him chill Pineda a smidge. The enthusiasm is appreciated, but the guy is gonna blow the engine on the test drive. Also, didn’t like hearing Pineda enjoys cooking. Once CC, Hughes, and Chamberlain get wind of this, these 4 will be inseperable. Somebody call Jenny Craig STAT. Pineda will soon become a CC clone in Many ways. Pineda will guarantee that Ichiro has a buddy on the team come July.
    Seems like each season more and more ageing star players are left looking for teams as ST starts. The list this season is amazing. Damon, Matsui, Vlad, Ibanez, Derrek Lee, Oswalt, etc.

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock February 15th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Alfred, less to do with comfort, more to do with erroding skills. He was at the end of the busline. Wish he would have hung it up the previous year. I’d take most anyone right now over him, he can’t get it done anymore, retirement was the right decision.
    ///

    Yeah, guess you missed the ALDS. Though his bat is slower, he knows how to hit, and can still hit with power left-handed. I said all year he can still hit RH, but they pulled the plug on that very early, which I understood (though I thought it was stupid). He recently said his right-handed swing would have come around, and I don’t think that was self-delusion. I’ve watched his career, unlike some.

  103. DONNYBROOK February 15th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    K Long may have worked some magic with Grandy, but I wish he would just get these guys to “situational hit”. Forget the Dingers, and just move a runner over, or score a guy from 3rd with Less than 2 outs. The Bronx Bomber thing is nice to hear, but the Yankee situational hitting is HORRID.

  104. DONNYBROOK February 15th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    So Now we go from signing Fielder to getting Wright. Yea, and pigs Do fly.

  105. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Chip – I dunno about the Tigers. I certainly see your point, and adding Wright would sure up their (currently nonexistent) defense a bit, but I don’t know that I see a place for him with Cabrera and Fielder both signed for a few years at big dollars.

    I wonder if Wright will go NL or AL…maybe Miami will sign him just to make Hanley mad again.
    —————-

    Shame,

    I’m only talking trade here – Detroit could move Miggy to DH, put Wright at 3b for a pennant push. End of the year, they re-evaluate based on the health of V-Mart’s knee.

    I think as a FA Wright’s best options would be:

    NYY
    Boston – let Ortiz go, move Youk to DH.
    Philly
    LAA (they’re going to have a lot of money off the books after this year)
    Toronto
    Colorado

  106. RayVT February 15th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    MTU February 15th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    I understand that. But if the Yanks pay him more (Bonus) to keep him in the MiLB with the idea they want him to compete on MLB roster soon it could still be a no brainer for him.

  107. DONNYBROOK February 15th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    When we gonna hear something one way or the other concerning Braun???? This entire situation is beginning to smell like Bud’s Hair Tonic.

  108. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    OK Ray.

    Whatever works. I’d love to have him to go with the others. Just keeping budget constraints in mind.

    The more guys you have the better your chances that one of them sticks.

    ;)

  109. dogface February 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    When we gonna hear something one way or the other concerning Braun????

    ================================

    2/24 is the scuttlebut

  110. RayVT February 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    MTU February 15th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Maybe my wanting Soler is prejudicing my words! I hope he signs as a Yankee.

  111. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Ray-

    It would be nice.

    :)

  112. blake February 15th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    “I understand that. But if the Yanks pay him more (Bonus) to keep him in the MiLB with the idea they want him to compete on MLB roster soon it could still be a no brainer for him.”

    We don’t know for sure what he’s been offered…..but if the Cubs have offered him a major league deal at 4/28 then the Yanks would probably need ti pony up a huge up front bonus to get him to do a minor league deal……hey they coukd consider it Darvish bid money…..

  113. DONNYBROOK February 15th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    - DOGGY -
    Thanks

  114. MTU February 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    By the way, I thought I would just say that I am glad that Adams seems healthy again.

    He has a lot of ability but just got derailed for a while with bad luck.

    Hope he has a great season.

    :)

  115. blake February 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    The fact that this thing with Braun is dragging out this ling makes me think something unusual is involved…..like something that may rule in his favor.

  116. Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Chip – I think LAA makes a ton of sense for Wright… but Philly is an interesting option. Boy would that burn the fanbase… makes you wonder even more if they should push to trade him.

  117. sommerjd February 15th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Not impressive logic here. I’m not sold on WAR either, but you can’t use it and lose it to suit your own needs. Tex was surely not several points lower in WAR than Matsui and Abreu, so you’ve switched to looking at B Avg (and only his RH side). His production in terms of homers and RBI has been great; leave him alone. This idea of his bunting every now and then is brilliant–all he has to do is talk about doing it, doing it once awhile in Spring Training, and he’ll make defenses play him more honestly. And it’s not really bunting so much as it is shoving ball toward the left side of the IF.

    Re: A-Rod. Yes, his legs are an issue, but he missed a bunch of games late last year because he jammed a thumb in the field. That’s not the product of his aging; it’s just bad luck. I don’t think he’s nearly as fragile as some are assuming.

    Finally, as for AJ (not part of the blog): I hope they trade him, but I’ll say a big “Thanks!” to him for his service. Despite all the complaining about his performance, the Yanks finished 1st, 2nd (1 game behind) and 1st in the AL East with him in the rotation. He wasn’t great–but it’s all about the post-season in NY, isn’t it? He started 7 games: his performances in the Division series was great (2 starts, 1.54 ERA). He was inconistent in the WS, but he won a critical game vs. the Phillies. Not so good in the ALCS. So, 7 starts, 4 (high) quality ones. Was that worth $50Million? It ain’t my money, so I was pleased.

  118. dogface February 15th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    The fact that this thing with Braun is dragging out this ling makes me think something unusual is involved…..like something that may rule in his favor

    =================================

    Braun’s going to have to pull a rabbit out of his hat, IMO. MLB has a lot on the line year.

  119. dogface February 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    * a lot on the line HERE

  120. Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    The fact that this thing with Braun is dragging out this ling makes me think something unusual is involved…..like something that may rule in his favor.
    ———————–

    Or maybe they’re just trying to bury the story in other sports headlines…?

  121. DONNYBROOK February 15th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Still amazed at the buffonery GM Brad Pitt is pullin’ down in Oakland. Rumor has it he’s gone ‘Hollywood” after Moneyball got the Oscar Nom. Supposedly, he spent part of the offseason with Kevin Bacon. Both guys don Mullet Wigs and like to “kick it” down around the Santa Monica Pier. NO dancing involved thankfully.

  122. dogface February 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Or maybe they’re just trying to bury the story in other sports headlines…?

    ====================================

    What sports headlines? It’s February.

    If they were looking to truly bury it, they’d have made an announcement the Friday before the Super Bowl.

  123. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Shame Spencer February 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Chip – I think LAA makes a ton of sense for Wright… but Philly is an interesting option. Boy would that burn the fanbase… makes you wonder even more if they should push to trade him.
    ——————–

    I think it’s much more likely that the Mets will hope and pray that Johan is able to get back on the mound and look somewhat decent before the deadline so that they can deal him. Issue there will be that they won’t take back any of his salary so I don’t know what team is going to take a gamble like that.

    Trading Wright is the correct move for the Mets from an on-the-field point of view. I just don’t think that the Wilpons will let it happen. They, right now, are in a very odd place. They can’t look at either the long term or the short term good of the club. For the short term, they need to cut payroll, but they also need to maximize revenue – so while dealing Wright helps them cut salary, it also hurts them at the gate. The long term good of the franchise is taking a back seat because if they don’t get out of this situation they’re not going to be owning the franchise anyway.

  124. blake February 15th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    DF,

    I think Braun must have ar least some case here….or they would have ruled by now you’d think……

  125. Chip February 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    blake February 15th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    The fact that this thing with Braun is dragging out this ling makes me think something unusual is involved…..like something that may rule in his favor.
    —————

    I think it’s more that MLB is trying to figure out how to cover its backside.

    If the suspension stands – then the headline is that the reigning MVP was busted for roids. If it doesn’t stand then the headline is that MLB is protecting a star player. Either way it’s bad.

    And of course – as I loathe Selig – I don’t discount the fact that the player in question is a member of his Brewers.

  126. blake February 15th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    “And of course – as I loathe Selig – I don’t discount the fact that the player in question is a member of his Brewers.”

    Delivery has nothing to do with it…..its a judges decision by my understanding.

  127. blake February 15th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    “And of course – as I loathe Selig – I don’t discount the fact that the player in question is a member of his Brewers.”

    Selig has nothing to do with it…..its a judges decision by my understanding.

  128. dogface February 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    I think Braun must have ar least some case here….or they would have ruled by now you’d think……

    ==============================

    I don’t know. I’m just thinking that from a PR standpoint, the veracity of the MLB’s testing program takes a monster hit if this thing is reversed without exceedingly transparent evidence. In a world where perception becomes reality, MLB can’t have their testing program thought of as a mockery.

  129. Gary February 15th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 15th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Alfred, less to do with comfort, more to do with erroding skills. He was at the end of the busline. Wish he would have hung it up the previous year. I’d take most anyone right now over him, he can’t get it done anymore, retirement was the right decision.
    ///

    Yeah, guess you missed the ALDS. Though his bat is slower, he knows how to hit, and can still hit with power left-handed. I said all year he can still hit RH, but they pulled the plug on that very early, which I understood (though I thought it was stupid). He recently said his right-handed swing would have come around, and I don’t think that was self-delusion. I’ve watched his career, unlike some.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Well I watched his whole career also, showed up for the ALDS but missed the rest of year. Tit for Tat huh? The guy was in his 40′s, his swing wasn’t coming back and he was like concrete on the basepaths.

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