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Taking a look at the non-roster pitchers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 18, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

If nothing else, last spring taught us that minor league contracts matter, and that invitations to big league camp can be eye-opening. Freddy Garcia was a non-roster invite last year, one of five NRIs to break camp with the big league team. Manny Banuelos was also a non-roster invite last year, offering a standout performance that cemented his place on the prospect map (even for those who don’t follow the farm system).

Here’s a look at all those NRI pitchers who will be in camp when it opens on Sunday.
And just to be clear for those who are confused every year: Each and every player on the 40-man roster is automatically invited to big league camp. That means guys like David Phelps and Dellin Betances will be there automatically, no invitation necessary.  

LHP Manny Banuelos
Alphabetically, we start with the top prospect in the Yankees minor league system. Last spring, Banuelos opened eyes in his first turn with the big leaguers. This spring, Banuelos is legitimatelly trying to open more than eyes. He’s trying to open doors. There’s little chance he can make the big league roster out of camp, but a mid-season call-up isn’t out of the question. He’s the top arm in the system, and this could be the last time he needs a non-roster invitation to camp.

RHP Dan Burawa
A 12th-round pick in 2010, Burawa has yet to pitch above High-A — and he has just 20 games above Low-A — but clearly the Yankees are intrigued. They sent Burawa to the Arizona Fall League this offseason, and now they’ve invited him to big league camp after just a year and half of pro ball. I don’t know much about him except that he throws pretty hard, but he was drafted out of college, so the Yankees might see him as a potential fast-mover.

LHP Juan Cedeno
I would argue — rather easily – that this is the biggest surprise of the bunch. Cedeno has not pitched during the regular season in any of the past three years. He’s appeared Korea, independent ball and in the Dominican Winter League, including 1.04 ERA in 8.2 innings there this winter (lefties went 3-for-15 against him). Cedeno previously spent time in the minor league systems of the Red Sox, Royals, Dodgers and Tigers, but never above Double-A. This is clearly about getting a closer look.

RHP Matt Daley
A 29-year-old born in Queens, Daley spent part of the past three seasons in the big leagues with the Rockies. He was solid in 2009 (1.19 WHIP in 51 innings) but he hasn’t been able to repeat those results. The Yankees signed him to a minor league deal, and right now he looks like relief depth to be stowed in Triple-A.

RHP Manny Delcarmen
The former Red Sox relief prospect is another minor league free agent who could bring added depth. For a while Delcarmen looked like a good young piece of the Boston bullpen, but his performance began to lag in 2009 and he spent all of last season in Triple-A.

RHP Brett Marshall
Back from Tommy John surgery, Marshall had a strong partial season in 2010, but showed some inconsistencies in 2011. He finished strong last year and remains one of the under-the-radar prospects in this pitching rich farm system. He’s still just 21 — almost 22 — and despite the injury should be ticketed for Double-A. You’re forgiven if you haven’t heard of him, but he’s worth watching at this point.

RHP Adam Miller
Speaking of pitching injuries, Miller was considered one of the game’s elite pitching prospects before injuries knocked his career far off track. He didn’t pitch in 2009 or 2010, but he returned last season to get 44 innings as a reliever. He’s kind of this spring’s version of Mark Prior. Granted, it’s very different because Miller doesn’t have Prior’s big league track record, but it’s similar in that this is a very good arm that’s trying to get healthy again. Might be nothing, but if Miller gets back on track, there’s considerable upside.

LHP Mike O’Connor
Originally a starter, O’Connor has made 35 big league appearances scattered across three seasons (with large gaps in between). O’Connor is clearly coming to camp to add some depth from the left side. He’s another one who looks like a real longshot to break camp with the team and seems more likely headed for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre to give the team a mid-season alternative.

LHP Hideki Okajima
Scratch that. Okajima failed his physical and won’t be in camp.

RHP Ryan Pope
On the 40-man roster at this time last year, Pope only pitched 45.2 innings last year – less than half what he pitched in 2010 — and most of his appearances came in a repeat of Double-A. It was clearly a stepback for the former third-round pick, but with a Triple-A assignment likely for 2012, Pope is trying to put himself back in the conversation for a big league call-up. He’d like to start with a good impression in big league camp.

RHP Graham Stoneburner
Injury limited Stoneburner to just 11 Double-A starts last season, so he didn’t have much time to build off a terrific showing in 2010. Given the current state of the Triple-A rotatoin, Stoneburner is likely headed back to Double-A (unless the Yankees decide to move him to the bullpen). He’s a legitimate prospect with an awesome name, and this will be his first taste of big league camp.

RHP Adam Warren
Quite often, Warren seems to be lumped into a trio with D.J. Mitchell and David Phelps. All three are Triple-A starters with legitimate prospect status and real potential to help in the big leagues sooner rather than later. Unlike Phelps and Mitchell, though, Warren is still not Rule 5 eligible, so he’s not on the 40-man roster. Even so, he’s a very legitimate candidate to see some big league time this year.

RHP Kevin Whelan
When he finally worked through some control issues, Whelan emerged with a breakout season in 2011. He was dominant as Scranton/Wilkes-Barre’s closer, and even though he wasn’t among those invited to big league camp last spring, he got a big league call-up during the season. Designated for assignment to make room for Hiroki Kuroda, Whelan needs to keep his control in check to get back on the radar.

RHP Chase Whitley
Already a fast-riser in the Yankees minor league system, Whiley was a 15th-round pick in 2010 and already has 19 games of Double-A experience. He’s likely headed back to Double-A to open this season, but the fact he skipped Charleston, got all the way to Trenton last year  and now has an invitation to big league camp sends a pretty clear signal that the Yankees are interested in what Whitley can do.

Associated Press photo of Banuelos

 
 

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102 Responses to “Taking a look at the non-roster pitchers”

  1. blake February 18th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Leave Manny in AAA all year…..let him break in next year.

  2. Ys Guy February 18th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Go Tigers! Mizzou wins again!

  3. kd February 18th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    september call-up blake?

    no need to rush him unless he’s simply dominating aaa. then let him break in with the bullpen, like hughes.

  4. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    sure a september call up is fine….but they need to get him 150+ innings and get his command issues straightened back out…..he’s so young yet.

  5. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    no need to rush him unless he’s simply dominating aaa. then let him break in with the bullpen, like hughes.

    No bullpen. He needs innings.

  6. tomingeorgia February 18th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    RAB talking about BIG pitchers. A starting lineup of CC, Pineda, Betances, Hughes and Garcia would conservatively weigh 1320 pounds, more than a lot of front five offensive linemen, at least in college. My favorite lineman, Roosevelt Grier, would slot third in this group.

  7. m February 18th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Just shows you how tough it is to break into and stick with a team.

  8. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    They don’t even need to think about calling up Manny until he can consistently go 6+ innings without going over 100 pitches…..when he starts doing that he’ll start logging more innings and can hopefully get to 150-160 this year and be ready for a shot at the 5th spot next year.

    150+ innings at AAA, September cup of coffee, compete for a rotation spot in 2013 if all goes well…..same thing for Betances….though they could be a little more aggressive with him because of his age.

  9. kd February 18th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    who gets called up first if there’s an injury? warren? phelps? betances?

  10. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    “who gets called up first if there’s an injury? warren? phelps? betances”

    Phelps I’d guess….However Garcia might be the guy to fill in if he doesn’t make the rotation.

  11. CompassRosy February 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    @StoneLarry: First day of BP wrapup: Long-ball kings were Montero, Carp, w/Ackley close behind. Ichiro & Guti looked especially good. And it means nada

    Way to be a wet blanket, Larry.

  12. stuckey February 18th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    “just give it time to watch how red sox “stars” are treated.

    “not a single one will stay there.”

    ________________

    Sorry Randy, again, you lack the ability and/or discipline to argue in any consistent fashion other than the heat of the moment and as is your habit, are contradicting yourself within minutes.

    You said: “notice that the best player is a hired gun. that’s how it works with these kinds of managements. adrian gonzalez has the cash , but no power the way a jeter has power with the yankees.”

    This was YOUR argument. It is blatantly false.

    Ellsbury WAS their best player last year.

    You go on to say: “the red sox will not develop superstars. they will buy them.”

    This again is blatantly false. You did NOT say the Sox won’t RETAIN superstars, you said they won’t DEVELOP them. It’s right there, in quotes.

    They did develop and continue to employ Ellsbury, Lester, Pedroia, Youklis, the latter three extremely popular players with their fanbase, Ellsbury no doubt getting their.

    So explain one more time how Ellsbury, Lester, Pedroia, Youklis exist if as you say, “the red sox will not develop superstars.”

    And despite not being homegrown, David Ortiz is as popular and “powerful” and as big of a superstar presence with the Red Sox fanbase as any homegrown player anywhere, and the Red Sox just retained him by offering arbitration.

    Can you answer any of these question with a substantive response?

  13. MTU February 18th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Even though he is on the roster I am looking forward to seeing what Cabral can do.

    We could use a good 2nd lefty out of the pen.

    Good luck kid.

    ;)

  14. jacksquat February 18th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    russellmartin55 Training is my life!

    Ditch the weights and get in the damn batting cage.

  15. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    So explain one more time how Ellsbury, Lester, Pedroia, Youklis exist if as you say, “the red sox will not develop superstars.”

    the red sox won’t retain one of these players and give them the contract they gave gonzalez or crawford.

    plus who’s a superstar among those scrappy guys?

    i don’t see any superstars.

  16. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Lester and Ellsbury are pretty good….Pedroia aint bad either.

  17. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    “And despite not being homegrown, David Ortiz is as popular and “powerful” and as big of a superstar presence with the Red Sox fanbase as any homegrown player anywhere, and the Red Sox just retained him by offering arbitration.”

    red sox management has had all kinds of problems from their point of view with ortiz’s star status.

    the way they treated ortiz backs my argument.

    he had to fight and compromise to stay on the red sox.

  18. jacksquat February 18th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    With a few exceptions, it seems like our hitters are having some kind of competition to see who can pump the most iron and hit the most homeruns.

  19. Yank 97 February 18th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    @KenDavidoff

    #Yankees have been negotiating extensively with reps for Raul Ibanez. An agreement seems very likely, after Burnett trade gets done.

  20. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    “Lester and Ellsbury are pretty good….Pedroia aint bad either.”

    pretty good is the operative word.

    did they get the big bucks that gonzalez got?

    will they?

    how’d papelbon do?

    they won’t sign a single guy when free agency comes.

  21. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Ibanez is more dumpable than Damon….that has to be it.

  22. jacksquat February 18th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    Ibanez is more dumpable than Damon….that has to be it.

    Or Ibanez wants 1-2 mil and Damon wants 5.

  23. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    “did they get the big bucks that gonzalez got?”

    it depends…..they got pedrioa to sign a team friendly deal that will carry him into his prime….so not he probably won’t get Gonzalez money….sorta the same thing with Lester….they sign guys to extensions so they won’t have to pay them a lot. Ellsbury will be a test case if he stays an elite player over the next two years.

  24. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    “Or Ibanez wants 1-2 mil and Damon wants 5.”

    I don’t know if that’s true….but if it is then it also contributes to him being more dumpable.

  25. stuckey February 18th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    “the red sox won’t retain one of these players and give them the contract they gave gonzalez or crawford.”

    Then why did you say they won’t “develop”?

    “plus who’s a superstar among those scrappy guys? i don’t see any superstars.”

    You recently cited Cano has qualifying as a superstar who wasn’t thought of one in the minors, so therefore he slipped through the cracks.

    Pedroia is widely regarded as a very comparable peer to Cano, with having very similar value.

    Lester is widely regarded as being one of the game’s premier lefthanders, often being mentioned as a pre-season Cy Young pick. Were Lester to be a free agent anytime soon, he’d be one of the most sought after in any market.

    Ellsbury has to how last year wasn’t a fluke, but if it isn’t, he’ll be a top 5 player in the game. He was second in last year’s AL MVP balloting to Verlander and very probably would have won if the Red Sox hadn’t not made the play-offs.

    To suggest he doesn’t have superstar potential and to overlook his as the Red Sox best player last year are just massive oversights on your part.

  26. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    What the Yankees did with Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera etc was very very special…..it’s rare for a group of players to both be good enough to warrant a team keeping them that long….and to be on a team that can afford to play them as well…..turning over players is what every team does and it’s almost always for baseball reasons and not some management vs player power struggle

  27. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    “they sign guys to extensions so they won’t have to pay them a lot”

    precisely blake

    when real free agency comes they will let them go like papelbon.

    now understand that there is a whole generation of little kids who love papelbon.

    the red sox lose part of their good will they build up by dumping a guy like papelbon.

    they don’t care because they believe in the cult of management.

    they think that fans really don’t care about papelbon.
    the problem they have is it doesn’t take long for other guys to see how stars are treated.
    there is not a good relationship between red sox management and red sox players.

    there is a lack of respect in both directions.
    that’s how the team imploded and we can all see the results of what happened there.

  28. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    AL East Notes: Red Sox, Yankees, Orioles, Edell
    By Zach Links [February 18 at 3:32pm CST]

    News out of the American League East..

    The Red Sox know that they won’t be getting Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters from the Cubs in the compensation agreement but still hope to come away with a quality prospect, writes Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com.

    MLBTR

    so no Matt Garza either then ;)

  29. dogface February 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    he had to fight and compromise to stay on the red sox.

    =================================

    Kinda the way Jeter did last year to stay on the Yankees.

  30. stuckey February 18th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    “red sox management has had all kinds of problems from their point of view with ortiz’s star status.

    “the way they treated ortiz backs my argument.

    ____________

    No, it does not. Your argument is they don’t retain their powerful players.

    They retained him.

    You’re wrong.

  31. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    “What the Yankees did with Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera etc was very very special”

    blake-

    i totally agree.

    but notice the flack jeter got from cashman

    notice the flack posada got from cashman.

    these guys are the last of a line.

    we won’t see other yankee players coming along being treated the way they were for their career.

    unless there is a management change that is.

  32. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Randy,

    even if you feel the way you do about how the Red Sox are ran….I don’t see the parallel with the Yankees who just signed Sabathia to a mega deal to keep him, gave Jeter more than many thought they should to keep him, will lock up Cano when the time comes etc…..the Montero trade is an apples to oranges comparison.

  33. stuckey February 18th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    “notice that the best player is a hired gun.”

    Wrong.

    “the red sox will not develop superstars.”

    Wrong.

  34. stuckey February 18th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    “we won’t see other yankee players coming along being treated the way they were for their career.

    “unless there is a management change that is.”

    When’s that happening again?

    When does the train leave the station on this Cashman story? Wasn’t it supposed to be picking up steam by now?

  35. blake February 18th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Randy,

    I never had a problem with the Yankees holding a firm line with Jeter (and I’m the biggest Jeter fan you’ll find and maybe the biggest defender of him on this site)…..they are on a budget and at his age they had to pay him more in line with what he’ll produce on the field…..my only issue with the whole thing was the shots taken through the media and the public nature of the process.

    With Jorge….I think just think it was a difficult situation where the Yankees did what they felt was best for the team…..the retirement presser they gave him was first class and the type you’d give a legend….they pulled out all the stops for that thing to show their appreciation for what he’d done and to try and heal some of the hurt there had been…..

  36. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    “Your argument is they don’t retain their powerful players.”

    they neuter them rather than keep them.

    ortiz has a very contentious relationship with red sox management.

    he’s been battling with them for years.

    he never cashed in the way gonzalez and crawford did by coming in as free agents.

    they don’t take care of their own.

    it is reflected by all the disharmony all over that red sox team. the backstabbing and bad mouthing is inbred into that team now. very dysfunctional .

  37. Migs February 18th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Randy,

    One of the smartest things an organization can do is make wise baseball decisions…doing otherwise makes your organization hand out huge contracts to a centerfielder who didn’t deserve it, and a catcher who would have problems lasting at catcher for 8 years, not to mention he only hit for power in one season.

    I.e. Vernon wells and Joe mauer …so I’m not sure what the argument is about here….unless this ties into montero….again.

  38. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    “.the retirement presser they gave him was first class and the type you’d give a legend….they pulled out all the stops for that thing to show their appreciation for what he’d done and to try and heal some of the hurt there had been…”

    the yankees are a complex organization and someone somewhere came through with some common sense and did the right thing with posada.

    they really couldn’t afford another bernie fiasco.

    i do not believe for a second that cashman was the someone somewhere who decided to do this.

  39. m February 18th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Ortiz is not an indentured servant. Hasn’t been for many years. He’s free to go where he wants. In fact he’d be in demand after bouncing back post-Weiner. That must mean he likes it in Boston.

    I will agree that the Sox treat their players badly. Yet they keep getting them to sign team-friendly deals.

  40. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    “so I’m not sure what the argument is about here…”

    the red sox belief in the cult of management is dysfunctional , and cashman has bought into it.

  41. Migs February 18th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Falling in love with prospects and players can get you in trouble….the rare exceptions are for the jerseys you end up retiring…like jeter….but those players are rare.

  42. Irreverent Discourse February 18th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    What on earth are you guys talking about? The Yankees purposely don’t develop star players? The redsox don’t resign good players if they can?

    They jerked Ortiz around by paying him $82mil?

    randy needs to lay off the drugs.

  43. blake February 18th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    The Red Sox just don’t want to over pay …..the Yankees don’t either….it’s the business side of the game and when you have a budget you have to try and pay fair market value for guys so you can get the most out of your payroll.

  44. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    “I will agree that the Sox treat their players badly. Yet they keep getting them to sign team-friendly deals.”

    there is a cost in treating players like jeter, posada, and rivera well but it what the yankees should do. it also will help them win in the long run as long as they keep doing it.

  45. blake February 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    BryanHoch Yankees close to signing Clay Rapada to a minor league contract with invitation to spring training. 20 minutes ago

    they should offer Scott kazmir a minor league deal and try to make him a reliever.

  46. Irreverent Discourse February 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    they don’t care because they believe in the cult of management.

    On Monday, I’m going to make up a term like this and ramble about it all day. Fair warning.

  47. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    they really couldn’t afford another bernie fiasco.

    ———————————————————-

    You mean the one where Bernie wouldn’t admit he was to old?

    I see you two have something in common. :D :

  48. blake February 18th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    The Yankees are trying to get a bunch of easily controllable players who won’t make waves like the Twins do :)

  49. Pat M. February 18th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    jacksquat……I memory tells me that catchers were always the strongest ( and toughest ) guys on the club……What they have to endure in the cost of a season is beyond what a fan can or could imagine……Much like a middle linebacker in football……If Martin can give what he did last season be happy, although I do think he’ll improve his batting average somewhat…….Maybe Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup ) could expand on this somewhat…….Dempsey wasn’t a intimidating looking guy but nobody messed with him….The dude would just snarl and scare the crap out of you……..

  50. Irreverent Discourse February 18th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    maineyankee – +10 points rofl

  51. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    blake

    they should offer Scott kazmir a minor league deal and try to make him a reliever.

    —————————————————————–

    I just read somewhere he was working out for some teams and was under 90 on his FB.

  52. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    “You mean the one where Bernie wouldn’t admit he was to old?”

    you might want to check bernie’s splits his last year.

    that is if you can actually look things up on your dial up from the barn :)

  53. blake February 18th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    “I just read somewhere he was working out for some teams and was under 90 on his FB”

    yea I saw that….I’d do a minor league flyer though just to see….they are always looking for LH relievers.

  54. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    randy

    You of all people trying to use numbers to back up an argument.

    You see yesterday I wasn’t calling you out for your baseball knowledge.

    I was calling you out for changing the names to suit your agenda.

    You now are using numbers to suit your agenda.

    I liked Bernie alot but it was hard to watch him try to play in the outfield the last few years.

    randy, on the farm you don’t send the old cows out to pasture you send them to slaughter.

  55. blake February 18th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    « Mailbag: Biggest 1-2 Punches In Baseball History
    Feb
    18
    Yankees close to signing Clay Rapada
    By Mike Axisa

    Via Bryan Hoch, the Yankees are close to signing Clay Rapada to a minor league contract with an invite to Spring Training. The 30-year-old left-handed reliever was released by the Orioles earlier this week. The Yankees are likely looking for a Hideki Okajima replacement after he failed his physical.

    Rapada — not to be confused with Clay Zavada, the guy with the mustache — has 78 appearances and 52.2 big league innings to his credit with the Cubs, Tigers, Rangers, and Orioles. He’s held lefty hitters to a .153/.252/.220 batting line with 9.35 K/9 (26.5 K%), 3.89 BB/9 (11.0 BB%), and 42.0% grounders during that time (just 136 PA) with his mid-80s fastball, mid-70s slider, and funky ass delivery. There’s no such thing as a bad minor league contract, so hooray for LOOGY depth.

    http://www.riveraveblues.com

    they should sign me to a minor league contract if there is no such thing as a bad one.

  56. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    pat m-

    the blog was a little slow today so i thought i’d play rabbit and let them chase.

    i had no idea how many closet red sox fans that we have here at lohud :)

    off to get some french fries you might like. check these out:

    http://duckfat.com/index.html

  57. 108 stitches February 18th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Always good to have some LHRP stashed away at AAA such as Juan Cedeno and Mike O’Connor in the event Boone Logan has problems.

  58. Yank 97 February 18th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    TAMPA — There won’t be a Johnny Damon II.

    According to Damon, he isn’t returning to the Yankees as a free agent.

    “We both are looking at other options now,” Damon told The Post Saturday and called it “unfortunate.”

    According to GM Brian Cashman, Damon contacted the club.

    “He called and I told him the truth. He is not the No. 1 option if and when I turn to DH options,” Cashman said.

    The Yankees closing the door on Damon means Raul Ibanez is the prohibitive favorite for the left-handed DH spot they talked to Damon about.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1mm6lh6KB

  59. randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    “randy, on the farm you don’t send the old cows out to pasture you send them to slaughter.”

    maine yankee-

    you’re going to upset the sensitive types on the blog :)

  60. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    randy

    I’m not as good at looking back to find posts from people in the past like you, but I recall you using the RS as an example of how the Yankees should be doing business in past years.

    I specifically remember you lauding their medical staff. Yes the one that over saw the team the last 2yrs with all the injuries. Yes the staff they replaced this year.

  61. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    randy l. February 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
    “randy, on the farm you don’t send the old cows out to pasture you send them to slaughter.”

    maine yankee-

    you’re going to upset the sensitive types on the blog

    —————————————————–

    I thought of that when I typed it. :D :

    As you can see I didn’t think on it to long.

  62. blake February 18th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    “He called and I told him the truth. He is not the No. 1 option if and when I turn to DH options,” Cashman said.”

    again….unless the Yankees are treating this as a temporary fix that they’ll address again mid season…..then I don’t get it at all.

  63. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    blake February 18th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
    “He called and I told him the truth. He is not the No. 1 option if and when I turn to DH options,” Cashman said.”

    again….unless the Yankees are treating this as a temporary fix that they’ll address again mid season…..then I don’t get it at all.

    ——————————————————————-

    It seems some think he wants to much and wouldn’t be sastified with the amout of at bats he likely would get with the Yankees.

    If he wants 5ml he’s not worth that much. My guess is if he really wanted to play Tampa would have brought him back for the right price.

  64. Crawdaddy February 18th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    “again….unless the Yankees are treating this as a temporary fix that they’ll address again mid season…..then I don’t get it at all.”

    Apparently, the Yankees don’t think highly of Damon as some of you and/or he still wants more money then they’re willing to spend. We’ll get a better idea once Damon signs and whomever the Yankees sign in the coming days.

  65. blake February 18th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    “Apparently, the Yankees don’t think highly of Damon as some of you and/or he still wants more money then they’re willing to spend. ”

    yea it could be the money….but my guess is the Yankees are concerned that the situation could get messy if it doesn’t work out and they dont want to get involved with that. They can give Ibanez 1 million bucks and then release him if he stinks…..they can’t really do that with Damon

  66. REZ12 February 18th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Ibanez has Randy Winn written all over it.

    Branyan will be up by Mid-May and Cash will be looking for a salary dump bat (Carlos Lee, Damon, Abreu, Giambi, Matsui etc.) by mid-June.

  67. Pat M. February 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    MaineYankee……As I posted last night, for 5 million the club gets both Chavez and Ibanez who fill 2 needs….And as bad as Ibanez is with the mitt he’s better than Damon……I still believe that Raul will help them and have a nice season and will be a pleasant surprise……I rather have Matsui but he too seems to be out of the parameters financially

  68. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    blake

    It was about the money when Damon left to go to the Tigers.

  69. DONNYBROOK February 18th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    I don’t get the ragging of Damon defensively. Sure, he isn’t what he was, but Cashman previously has signed and run Thames out there and not batted an eye.

  70. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    And as bad as Ibanez is with the mitt he’s better than Damon

    Nothing backs up this assertion whatsoever.

  71. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Pat M

    It seems like some have forgotten how bad Damon got in the OF when he was with the Yankees.

    They were fortunate they had an opening in LF for those last two years he was there because his days as a CF were done.

    It wasn’t just his arm but his routes were getting worse.

    The DH spot is going to be more fluid than just one or two players so if Damon wants 5ml that’s too much for the role they are looking for.

  72. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    DONNYBROOK February 18th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
    I don’t get the ragging of Damon defensively. Sure, he isn’t what he was, but Cashman previously has signed and run Thames out there and not batted an eye.

    ———————————————————-

    If Damon would sign a MiL contract like Thames did he would probably be signed now.

  73. DONNYBROOK February 18th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Most the complaints I hear about Damon concern his defense. Not the MiL contract. Ibanez is certainly not gonna sign a MiL.

  74. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    DONNYBROOK

    but Cashman previously has signed and run Thames out there and not batted an eye.

    ———————————————————-

    Reread what you wrote.

    He signed Thames because he was affordable for the role they wanted him to play.

  75. blake February 18th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Why does Damon have to play good defense to be a platoon DH and 5th outfielder…….a bigger issue as relates to the role is that Ibanez can’t hit lefties at all…..so you’ll have to burn Jones for him a lot

  76. DONNYBROOK February 18th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Point is, the focus is Now on defense concerning Damon, yet is was Not with Thames. There is more to the Yanks running away from Damon than defense.

  77. Howe Farr February 18th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Point is, the focus is Now on defense concerning Damon, yet is was Not with Thames.

    _____________________________________

    No, the point is that Thames signed a Minor League contract and Damon wants a major league one.

  78. DONNYBROOK February 18th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    - Blake -
    Agree. But when Ibanez is mentioned as being the frontrunner, his defense is always stressed over Damon’s. Doesn’t fit.

  79. DONNYBROOK February 18th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    - Farr -
    So are you saying if Damon would accept a MiL, the Yanks would sign him for more than $1 Mill?? No way the Yanks want Damon whatever the contract Minor or Major. They are running away from him as quickly as possible.

  80. blake February 18th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    They can dump Ibanez and trade for Ethier a lot easier than with Damon.

  81. Howe Farr February 18th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    DB

    You realized you were the one that compared the Damon situation to the Thames situation. You also realize that someone pointed out that Thames signed a minor league contract, so the analogy (your analogy) is incorrect.

  82. 108 stitches February 18th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Looking at what AL rosters look like, it’s difficult to imagine where Damon can land as DH at this late date unless he fires Scott Boras as his agent.
    He’s played his entire career in the AL and being in the NL he’d be limited to pinch hitting / pinch running roles.

  83. MaineYankee February 18th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    108 stitches February 18th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
    Looking at what AL rosters look like, it’s difficult to imagine where Damon can land as DH at this late date unless he fires Scott Boras as his agent.
    He’s played his entire career in the AL and being in the NL he’d be limited to pinch hitting / pinch running roles.

    ——————————————————————–

    At this point I don’t think you can blame Boras for this. If Damon wanted to play bad enough I think he could still have been with Tampa. He liked it there and they liked him but not for very much money.

  84. DONNYBROOK February 18th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    - Farr -
    Again Farr. The Yanks did Not hesitate running the defensively challenged Thames out there, so why are they Now balking at putting Damon out there? It’s because defense has nothing to do with the Damon vs Ibanez question. Also, you neglected to answer my question regarding would the Yanks sign Damon if he agreed to a MiL contract. Whatever the contract, for whatever the reason, (rule out D), the Yanks have No interest in Damon. They are gonna sign Ibanez immediately after AJ passes that physical and BUD ok’s the deal. l

  85. djsunyc February 18th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    i think it comes down to cost/at bats. we are not going to give damon the at bats he probably wants and for the contract he’s looking for.

    we’ll soon find out what the yanks plan for the DH spot is for the season. i think it will be a revolving door policy where nobody will get more than 60 starts.

  86. Howe Farr February 18th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    DB

    he Yanks did Not hesitate running the defensively challenged Thames out there, so why are they Now balking at putting Damon out there?

    Because Thames was much cheaper than Damon

    Also, you neglected to answer my question regarding would the Yanks sign Damon if he agreed to a MiL contract.

    I’m sure they would, just an opinion, much like your argument that the yankees wouldn’t sign him, your opinion. Not rocket science, not worth 1 penny

    They are gonna sign Ibanez immediately after AJ passes that physical and BUD ok’s the deal.

    Yes, they are.

  87. muwarriorsfan February 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Ibanez IS Randy Winn and will be booed like Randy Winn.

    The devaluing of the DH spot by the Yanks just makes zero sense.

    Of the four (Ibanez, Vlad, Damon, Matsui), Ibanez is by far…BY FAR…the worst hitter. Having Swisher, Ibanez and Martin back-to-back-to-back will kill many rallies.

  88. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Damon had to move to LF because he was no longer an effective CFer. Ibanez was ALREADY a left fielder because it was the only place he could play, and then in LF (where Damon moved down to) he is on the very, absolute rock bottom of defenders. Last. Zero.

    Damon is not a worse defender than Ibanez. Nothing backs it up.

  89. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    http://assets.sbnation.com/ass.....medium.gif

  90. muwarriorsfan February 18th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    “Damon is not a worse defender than Ibanez. Nothing backs it up.”

    There aren’t enough negative adjectives to describe just how Godawful Ibanez is. Anyone who has the MLB Extra Innings package and has seen the guy play is dreading his coming to the Yanks. Damon may have a rubber arm, but Ibanez takes the worst routes on balls of any OF I saw last year. The Yanks cannot be evaluating his defense as a plus over Damon’s, it’s just factually wrong. It’s freaking insanity to bring in a guy this bad.

  91. Pat M. February 18th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Well watching Damon in 2009 certainly backs it up for me Face…….I do however give you credit for spending hours and hours to locate a few clips showing how poor an outfielder Ibanez is and he is on the lower end of the scale……That being said, Johnny Damon was so bad he’s hardly seen the green pastures for several years now…..Here’s the bottom line Face-Man, the club fills two holes for less or so what it’d cost for Damon and he’s not that good to warrant them to pass on him…..If and when Giradi is forced to play his lefthanded DH in the outfield which will not happen often, Raul is the better choice by far…….Personally I was hoping Mats could return as he had a nice second half in 2011 and played in the field rather well considering his wheels………Time for you to move on and seek out the next debate that defines your baseball fondness……You drilled me last night about this and then I read Sherman’s piece this morning which supports my point of view…….Although I’m not a fan of Sherman but he states the Organizations logic behind Ibanez….

  92. Yankee Trader February 18th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Yankees not wasting any time to replace Okajima.

    The Yankees have signed lefty reliever Clay Rapada to a minor league contract with an invitation to Spring Training, reports David Waldstein of The New York Times (Twitter links). MLB.com’s Zack Meisel first reported that the two sides were nearing a deal. The Meister Sports Management client was released by the Orioles a few days ago.

    Rapada, 30, posted a 6.06 ERA with 9.9 K/9 and 3.9 BB/9 in 16 1/3 innings for the Orioles last year. He had pitched 52 2/3 MLB innings over the course of five seasons for the Tigers, Rangers, Cubs and Orioles and is not yet arbitration eligible

  93. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Well watching Damon in 2009 certainly backs it up for me Face…….I do however give you credit for spending hours and hours to locate a few clips showing how poor an outfielder Ibanez is and he is on the lower end of the scale……That being said, Johnny Damon was so bad he’s hardly seen the green pastures for several years now

    Ibanez has been last in OF defensive metrics, he is last in eye test. Damon was positive in the outfield for Detroit 1 year ago. You have no idea what you’re talking about re: Ibanez & Damon. Several years? Did you mean a couple? He played 133 games in the OF for the Yankees in 2009. He played 36 for detroit and that is because of personnel. They already had Raburn, Magglio, and Ajax to play the field.

    Ibanez is not on the lower end of the scale, he is the end of the scale.

    I’ve not spent hours and hours to locate these clips, they are readily available because everyone knows ibanez is a terrible defender

  94. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    when Giradi is forced to play his lefthanded DH in the outfield which will not happen often, Raul is the better choice by far

    No evidence for this at all. You’re so hung up on arm you fail to realize Ibanez has just as bad an arm as damon, worse routes, worse glove, worse speed.

  95. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    The only thing Ibanez provides the yankees is less cost. But with less cost comes worse defense & worse offense

  96. Yankee Trader February 18th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    If fielding wasn’t an issue and the money the same, which DH only player would you sign to bring up North when the season opens?
    Damon
    Matsui
    Branyan
    Ibanez
    Guerrero

    Why no love for Guerrero? Hits to all fields. never walks, but rarely strikes out. Hits lefties and righties equally well.

  97. UpState February 18th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Clay Rapada:

    …he had two stints with the (Orioles) and held left-handed batters to a .104 batting average… (5-for-48), which was the second best mark in the majors for any pitcher facing at least 50 hitters.

    Rapada leads the majors in batting average against left-handed batters since the start of the 2010 season at .090.

    Steve Melewski, Steve — MASN Sports.

  98. Pat M. February 18th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Well Face, he’ll be wearing Yankee Pinstripes and hopefully we don’t see him too much in the outfield, but if we do at least everytime a ball is hit in his direction I won’t have to hold my breathe to the degree I did in 09 with Johnny out there….As several have pointed out if Raul doesn’t cut the mustard the Yanks are only out about 1/4 the bread they’d be if it were Damon they had signed…….Now find the next issue to argue about….How about Napoli droppin at least 10 % of last season’s production….I’ll even say and wager 15 % decrease…..

  99. Pat M. February 18th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Trader. I think Cashman wants a lefthand hitting DH to split with Jones ????

  100. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    but if we do at least everytime a ball is hit in his direction I won’t have to hold my breathe to the degree I did in 09 with Johnny out there

    This is hilarious. How can you be so wrong???? What happened to your baseball acumen? Wow you really held your breath every time it was hit to damon in 09? Damon was at -5.9 that season on UZR. Above average range but a weak arm and some errors hurt him.

    Ibanez was at -21.8 last year. With just as bad an arm as Damon and a -16.8 range factor. Damon was at +1

  101. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    How about Napoli droppin at least 10 % of last season’s production….I’ll even say and wager 15 % decrease…..

    It would be hard for anyone to repeat a season like he had, but he will still be a good, valuable hitter and vernon wells will not.

  102. Jerkface February 18th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    You won’t even have to hold your breath if its hit to Ibanez, because you’ll know he won’t be anywhere near where the ball lands.


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