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Not such a wild admission

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 19, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman is a fan of a second wild card and a one-game play-in. Why? Because of those darn Yankees, of course.

“We’re Exhibit A,” Cashman said. “We conceded the division two years ago because of the previous setup. I’m not taking away from Tampa Bay’s Eastern Division title, but we didn’t try to win the division. We tried to line ourselves up for the playoffs and that worked. We wound up sweeping Minnesota and going to play the Texas Rangers two years ago because we got our guys healthy and ready to go. The division title, the way that wild card situation was sitting, was rendered meaningless.

“It really meant nothing more than a T-shirt and a hat.”

The Yankees fought that perception back in 2010, but it was clear they weren’t going all out for the division title when they routinely sat their regulars, gave key innings to secondary relievers and played their worst baseball in the final month of the season. Obviously they would have liked to have won the AL East, but it wasn’t important enough to make it a priority. The only penalty was losing home field advantage.

Home field or a healthy, rested roster? The Yankees made the logical choice.

As for Cashman admitting as much… I don’t think anyone is shocked, and I don’t see any reason to be appalled. The rules are in place, and it’s up to each team to find ways to take advantage of them. It’s up to the league to close these sort of loopholes.

“When you’re in a position to know you’re going to go, and it really doesn’t matter which way you’re going to go, at that point, and you start resting guys, lining them up, and the games in September aren’t as meaningful as they needed to be,” Cashman said. “Baseball took notice and made, I think, a very smart change. Bud Selig did a remarkable thing adding the wild card, and I think he’s now doing another remarkable thing by enhancing the playoff push. It’s going to create a lot of buzz and excitement and meaningful games deeper into the season, as it should be. It certainly brings back the importance of being a division winner again.

“… I felt we made the appropriate decision. I won’t say we gave it away because Tampa earned it, but we were willing to not win it if it meant putting ourselves in a better position to move forward in October. Those are choices that I think it’s best to eliminate from the equation, and the commissioner has done a great thing by doing that.”

 
 

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65 Responses to “Not such a wild admission”

  1. kd February 19th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    gotta think that kuroda’s the number 2 starter, no?

    all that experience and guile.

    i could see them go with nova, but just so darn good

  2. Pat M. February 19th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    kd……I always thought that Kuroda would be slotted in the 2 sopt, however it’s possibel that Giradi might want to have one of the young guys pitching behind Sabathia so they can stay away from throwing 3 young guys in concession….Just a thought, CC, Pineda, Kuroda, Hughes & Nova….

  3. ET February 19th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    JonHeymanCBS
    saw mike cameron career WAR was higher than puckett, 46.7 to 44.8. does this prove cameron under-rated? or WAR over-rated?

  4. Pat M. February 19th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    One more thing about the rotation setup that I posted, I think bullpen useage will also come into play when laying out the rotation

  5. Nick in SF February 19th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Pat M, I have some good news for you. Jorge Gutierez was honored during Senior Night in Berkeley last night, his parents were there to watch him play his final home game as a Cal Bear.

    I think that means he’s really playing his last season in Berkeley.

  6. blake February 19th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    “saw mike cameron career WAR was higher than puckett, 46.7 to 44.8. does this prove cameron under-rated? or WAR over-rated?”

    it proves that Cameron was a pretty good player and that Puckett didn’t play very long

  7. blake February 19th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    I think they’ll slot Pineda in the #4 spot….with Kuroda and Nova in the 2 or 3 spots in whatever order…..it really doesn’t matter how they stack them initially….

  8. Pat M. February 19th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Nick in SF…….Sweet 16 awaits him and The Cal Berkley Bears……Jorge must have been a Blue- Blue shirt freshman

  9. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Its no surprise Heyman doesnt understand WAR.

  10. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    I think due to seniority and familiarity they’ll put Nova 2 out of camp, but I would not be surprised if its Kuroda 2 because he is a veteran. Either way I see Pineda 4th and the winner of Garcia/Hughes as 5th.

  11. Nick in SF February 19th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    “Sweet 16 awaits him and The Cal Berkley Bears”

    Pat M, I really want to believe that and of course I’ll be rooting for it, but what kind of seed do you think Cal can realistically get?

    They’re done at home, three road games to come in Utah, Colorado, and Pa-LIN Alto. Might have to sweep those to win the league.

    If they do win the league, they might have to also win the Pac 12 tournet to get, what, a 5 or 6 seed at best? One slip-up and they’re looking at a 7-9 and a date with a 1-2 in the 2nd round.

    Hey, did you know that the last time Cal swept both LA schools in the same season was in ’58-’59? That’s also the last time they won the national championship.

  12. Pat M. February 19th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Nick in SF….First, it blows my mind that no Pac-12 teams are ranked in the top 25…No UCLA, Arizona, Cal or Stanford…..I cannot ever remember that ever happening before……If the win the PAC Conference outright they get a 5 seed, if they can win the Tourney maybe a 4….As long as they don’t get bounced out in the 2nd round ( their 1st game )…..I watch alot of college hoops and they are getting into position to make a nice run….Then again I thought the same thing last season and even the season before……They have a very deep club this year….

  13. pat February 19th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    A.J Burnett
    Now that I am part of the Pittsburgh Pirates, I would just like to say how grateful I am to the #Yankees organization and the fans. #Class Retweeted by Sweeny Murti

  14. Nick in SF February 19th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Cal is deep in talent among the starters, not too deep on the bench. It would be great if they could get a 4 or a 5, but I think that’s too optimistic. Maybe a 5 if they win both the conference and the tourney, otherwise, I don’t think so. Their RPI is in the mid 30′s, I think they would have to get it into the mid 20′s to get a 5 or a 6, which means winning 4 or 5 more games at minimum. The Pac 12 is not respected anywhere.

  15. CompassRosy February 19th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    FWIW ~

    One blogger’s rebuttal to a bevy of M’s fans who were “hand-wringing” over Michael Pineda at the end of last season…

    http://tinyurl.com/7t4rstw

    I agreed with the good doctor’s observations then and it will be interesting to see how MP handles NYC and NYS now. Something tells me, like his attitude and aptitude, that he’ll do just fine.

  16. blake February 19th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Good luck AJ…..helped win a title and always did your best with no excuses…..hopefully this deal works out best for both parties

  17. Best To Ever Do It February 19th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    pat February 19th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    A.J Burnett
    Now that I am part of the Pittsburgh Pirates, I would just like to say how grateful I am to the #Yankees organization and the fans. #Class Retweeted by Sweeny Murti

    ———————–

    He was frustrating at times but he had his heart in the right place.

  18. UnKnown February 19th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    I think that AJ twitter account is fake. I remember a few months ago, Kim Jones being tricked by the same account. I wouldn’t trust it.

  19. m February 19th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    My 5:

    CC
    Kuroda
    Pineda
    Hughes
    Nova

  20. jacksquat February 19th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
    I think due to seniority and familiarity they’ll put Nova 2 out of camp, but I would not be surprised if its Kuroda 2 because he is a veteran. Either way I see Pineda 4th and the winner of Garcia/Hughes as 5th.

    Nova doesn’t really have much seniority. I think they’ll make Kuroda #2. Then Pineda/Nova 3/4 (either way), then Garcia/Hughes 5.

    I also think if they give the #5 spot to Hughes they may try to trade Garcia (he should give permission if he is not going to be given a starting spot).

  21. LGY February 19th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    CC
    KURODA
    Pineda
    Nova
    Garcia

  22. yankeefeminista February 20th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Pineda
    Hughes (Garcia)

    And what was with the Yankees press release on the AJ deal, citing all AJ’s wild pitches? :roll:

  23. Nick in SF February 20th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    They let Jorge write the press release. :(

  24. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 12:50 am

    Nova doesn’t really have much seniority.

    He has Yankee seniority :)

  25. Pat M. February 20th, 2012 at 2:39 am

    The Yankee Organization wants Phillip Hughes to be in the starting rotation….So much so, they are eating 20 million dollars for AJ’s relocation……His workouts in Carson this off season really made this happen, even before the Pineda trade and the Kuroda signing…..Moving AJ only made things easier…..Garcia is the swing man out of the bullpen……..It’s not like this wasn’t mentioned before, including the Kuroda signing……….This 2012 Yankee rotation is the best staff since the 02-03 group, only much younger….And by next season with Kuroda & Garcia gone the entire staff and rotation will one of the games youngest even if Rivera stays on for 2013

  26. David in Cal February 20th, 2012 at 5:27 am

    I’m glad to see the Yanks trying to hold down expectations for Pineda, but their efforts will only have limited success IMHO. If Montero starts off the way he finished last season and (Heaven forbid!) Pineda starts the year badly, fans will be up in arms over the trade. It won’t matter whether he’s #2 starter or #4 starter.

    Actually, I expect both of them to start the year well. They’re two talented dudes.

  27. PacoDooley February 20th, 2012 at 6:04 am

    I think the rotation will go:

    CC
    Nova
    Kuroda
    Pineda
    Hughes

    They can separate CC and Kuroda early in the season to see how things shake out with innings and the bullpen. If Hughes is in the rotation, he is a clear #5, both because of previous lack of success, but also because it gives them the innings eater of CC after a Hughes start (in case he comes out early). Kuroda is the obvious choice for a #2, except that I agree with Pat’s comment that they have to consider the bullpen etc. Until Nova proves that he is not the pitcher that struggles later in games, I think that they could start him between CC and Kuroda.

    I also think that there is a chance that Hughes starts the season at AAA if he looks like he is close to top form but needs some time to sort things out. They could then use Garcia for a few weeks to check whether he can still be effective (and see if they have any early season need to shut down a starter).

  28. 108 stitches February 20th, 2012 at 6:25 am

    For those that will be there at GMS Field in Tampa, gates open at 10:00 AM to the public (free admission) and the pitchers and catchers will be on the field at about 10:30 AM.

    The time has finally arrived.

  29. Gary February 20th, 2012 at 6:37 am

    Burnett, 35, was signed by the Yankees as a free agent on December 18, 2008, to a five-year contract. In his three seasons with the club, he went 34-35 with a 4.79 ERA (584.0IP, 311ER) in 99 games (98 starts). His 58 wild pitches recorded during his three-year stint with the Yankees (2009-11) were the most for any Major League pitcher over a three-season span since Tony Cloninger threw 62 wild pitches from 1964 through 1966, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

    He posted an 11-11 record with a 5.15 ERA (190.1IP, 109ER) in 33 appearances (32GS) with the Yankees in 2011, setting career-highs in home runs allowed (31) and tying a career-high in earned runs allowed, while ranking first with a franchise-record 25 wild pitches – the most by any Major League pitcher in a single season since the start of the 2000s and the fifth most since 1900.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Well as bad as Chad made him out to be here, I’ll still remember game 2 of the 2009 WS when he nearly went the distance and beat Philly 3-1. Lee had drubbed us in game 1 and this game might well have won us the championship. Best of luck AJ.

  30. Gary February 20th, 2012 at 6:42 am

    David in Cal February 20th, 2012 at 5:27 am

    I’m glad to see the Yanks trying to hold down expectations for Pineda, but their efforts will only have limited success IMHO. If Montero starts off the way he finished last season and (Heaven forbid!) Pineda starts the year badly, fans will be up in arms over the trade. It won’t matter whether he’s #2 starter or #4 starter.

    Actually, I expect both of them to start the year well. They’re two talented dudes

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Well one won’t :-) It’s impossible to translate performance in a what if situation, west coast/east coast, different weather, teams, schedule. Never amazes me as to how people just assume that the performance will be the same despite the conditions being entirely different and a totally different team being around them.

  31. PacoDooley February 20th, 2012 at 6:48 am

    Well as bad as Chad made him out to be here, I’ll still remember game 2 of the 2009 WS when he nearly went the distance and beat Philly 3-1. Lee had drubbed us in game 1 and this game might well have won us the championship. Best of luck AJ.
    ———————————————

    He was as bad as Chad made him out to be – but given a choice to do it all over again, they should make the same mistake given that they likely don’t win the WS without that great game 2 performance. Burnett should be thankful for that one game since it saves his Yankees legacy and is what separates him from the likes of Carl Pavano. So all in, I agree that we wish AJ luck and thank him for that great WS performance, and then don’t look back as they get rid of a historically had starting pitcher and save some cash…

  32. blake February 20th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    What if Jones should be the primary DH against righties too? I saw some bat speed from him in the 2nd half that hasn’t been there in awhile and Sherman has reported that he’s coming to take aomebodys job this spring and not to be a back up…….he’s still pretty young so its something to keep an eye on.

  33. Baseball Mogul February 20th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    “Burnett should be thankful for that one game since it saves his Yankees legacy and is what separates him from the likes of Carl Pavano.”

    —————————–

    While Burnett largely pitched poorly and certainly failed to meet expectations, he was accountable and took the ball when they needed him to…two things Pavano didn’t do. The two are in completely different categories, as far as I’m concerned.

    That being said, the time had come for him to go obviously. Unfortunate that the shipping cost is $20M, but it gives the Yankees some flexibility they wouldn’t have had otherwise. I didn’t think there was any way he’d get dealt this year because of the big $ owed, the partial no-trade, and the two years remaining. I’m satisfied he was moved @ all..

  34. MTU February 20th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    I wish Burnett well but I will not miss him.

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Pineda
    Hughes

  35. blake February 20th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    MTU,

    All 5 of those guys could win 15 games

  36. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    “Baseball took notice and made, I think, a very smart change. Bud Selig did a remarkable thing adding the wild card, and I think he’s now doing another remarkable thing by enhancing the playoff push. ”

    oh crap. cashman is lobbying for the commissioners job when selig quits

  37. MTU February 20th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Blake-

    Agreed.

    If all of them pitch to their ability we rarely should be completely out of a game.

    Chance to win most nights.

    Our 4 and 5 guys might turn to be as good as most teams 1 and 2.

    On the rare ocassions when someone just doesn’t have we have the kind of pen that can still keep us in the game.

    Those guys should be capable of eating a lot of innings thus keeping the pen well-rested.

  38. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    CC
    Nova
    Kuroda
    Pineda
    Hughes

    Post trade deadline:

    CC
    Pineda
    Nova
    Kuroda
    Banuelos

  39. MTU February 20th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Bret-

    I hope they do not bring up Banuelos for anything more than a cup of coffee.

    He needs to build innings at the MiLB level and work on his command.

    I hope he has a really strong season but I’d rather not tempt fate.

    2013 is soon enough for me.

    ;)

  40. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    I hope everyone had a good weekend.

    Banuelos is more likely to be traded than to be in the rotation in mid-July.

  41. blake February 20th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Banuelos needs to stay at AAA this year.

    MTU,

    Im excited about the staff…..should be fun.

  42. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    MTU,

    With the lefty heavy Red Sox bound for the playoffs because of the extra wild card, the Yankees should be ready with Banuelos should in the event that one of the other starters gets injured. Banuelos is a candidate to make the post season roster as a reliever IMHO.

  43. MTU February 20th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    rich-

    I think Manny is a keeper.

    One of the few who are.

    I do believe that Betances could become expendable if things go just right.

  44. MTU February 20th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Bret-

    Perhaps but I kinda doubt they want to push him that far this season.

  45. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    MTU

    It’s not that I think he will be or should be traded (LHP is a big part of the franchise’s historic success), only that I think it’s more likely than him being in the rotation. So it’s really about very thin odds on both, but still longer on a promotion.

  46. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    “With the lefty heavy Red Sox bound for the playoffs because of the extra wild card, the Yankees should be ready with Banuelos should in the event that one of the other starters gets injured.”

    bret-

    how do you think pineda will pitch against the lefties like gonzalez red sox in yankee stadium in a playoff situation?

    will he have a change by then?

    will he be part of the playoff rotation?

    now he’d be pretty nasty out of the bullpen in such a situation.

  47. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    I think Betances survives because the Yankees have other trade pieces they can use to fill needs before they even think about trading him.

  48. blake February 20th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Id trade any of their pitchers for the right position player……

  49. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Randy,

    I’ve seen Pineda’s FB and curve. He can mow down any lineup with those two pitches alone. I don’t think he needs a Felix changeup. I feel like he just needs a changeup to keep hitters honest. And I believe he has the confidence to throw it with enough regularity to do that, knowing that it’s a pitch that makes his other pitches better even if it gets hammered on occasion. He’s got the confidence to use it over and over again knowing that it sets up his out-pitches. Pineda’s your #2 in the playoffs.

  50. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    I’m totally behind Pineda. The Yankees, like the Mariners, have put him in a very tough position. It’s not his fault.

    “now he’d be pretty nasty out of the bullpen in such a situation.”

    Come on, randy. That’s so premature, and if it ever happens, no one who currently makes a decision for the Yankees should have a job, even if Montero sucks (which he won’t).

  51. Keith--FL February 20th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Sorry Cashman but Ibanez does not execute an individual double steal like Damon did in the World Series….he is a clutch player who would be most valuable in the postseason….he had six straight games last year with game winning hits for the Rays….I think he is the obvious choice as last year we lost to the Tigers b/c the offense was not clutch at all…why you dont feel the same way Cashman is beyond me…but your judgement of having an affair as the GM of the New York Yankees with a known stalker makes me wonder about you and your thinking, sorry I know it’s your personal life but i find it incredulous that you picked that woman to have an affair with…..Ibanez for defense?? Hmmmmm…
    I know everyone is tired of hearing the names Damon and Matsui but they are clutch hitters and players and we dont win the World Series in 2009 without them and having one of them back would have helped in the playoffs in 2010 and 2011 and if Damon really wants to come back then it should be an easy decision….easier than signing a Nick Johnson, Randy Winn, or Ibanez…..I just know that in the 8th inning of a tied playoff game I would rather see Damon come up with runners on first and second 1 out then AROD, Swisher, Tex, Ibanez, etc….but I guess I am in the minority on that one….

  52. MTU February 20th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Bret-

    I’m talking about using him to go big game hunting.

    Those other guys would not be enough.

    If Hughes, Pineda, and Nova all pan out that is.

    Of course they might just decide to do the same with Hughes and keep Betances because he would be cheaper for longer.

    When you have this much Pitching all kinds of doors can swing wide open.

  53. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    “Id trade any of their pitchers for the right position player……”

    So would I, including Pineda.

  54. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    edit: FB and slider

  55. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    “I’ve seen Pineda’s FB and curve. He can mow down any lineup with those two pitches alone”

    brett-

    you have to ask yourself why he didn’t mow down hitters in the second half last year don’t you?

  56. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Banuelos must be kept in the fold in the event Hamels can’t be signed for some reason. The staff needs a second lefty at the very least to go with CC. And Banuelos is most likely to be a major leaguer out of all their pitching prospects. So he’s pretty much guaranteed to keep down costs long term. Now if they can add a 3rd lefty on top of that in Hamels – gravy.

  57. blake February 20th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    “So would I, including Pineda.”

    Yup

    Randy,

    Why wont you just give the kid a chance to improve his CU before will rule he can’t throw one? He’s still young yet….

  58. Benny Blanco February 20th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Welcome raul!!! *cue the Brian bashers*

  59. MaineYankee February 20th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    randy

    You need to stay in the Old Port longer at night so we can have a little peace in the morning. :D :

  60. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Randy,

    The FB and slider are both devastating however you slice it, first half, second half. The quality of those pitches is pretty much a done deal. Like I said, he needs to mix in a changeup that keeps hitters honest. He doesn’t need a changeup as an out pitch. And unlike Burnett and Hughes, he has confidence and presence so he’s not going to shy away from a pitch that makes his out pitches better.

  61. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    rich in nj-

    they only need three starter and an occasional fourth in the playoffs.

    i would think counting on pineda for this year’s playoffs would be not tempering expectations.

    you sure there isn’t this bandwagon push to rush this kid?

    i hated the trade , and now i separately hate the way they plan to teach this kid a plus curve.

    it’s really the same thing they did with hughes.

    they’re having him learn on the job in yankee stadium.

    yankee stadium is different than any other place for a young pitcher to break in.

  62. Crawdaddy February 20th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    “Why wont you just give the kid a chance to improve his CU before will rule he can’t throw one? He’s still young yet….”

    Because it doesn’t fit his agenda on this board.

  63. MTU February 20th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    No idea what is gonna happen with Hamels.

    Can we even afford another monster contract with the cap looming ?

    Will he play for our $$$ or will he get a better offer closer to home (The Dodgers).

    Will the Phillies find a way to lock him up ?

    Lot’s of questions.

  64. MTU February 20th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    new thread ——>

  65. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    “And unlike Burnett and Hughes, he has confidence and presence so he’s not going to shy away from a pitch that makes his out pitches better.”

    brett-

    now you’re scaring me with that kind of talk. you think burnett and hughes turned into nibblers because they didn’t have the presence that pineda did?

    i’d think it much more likely they pitched in yankee stadium on a regular basis and he didn’t.


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