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Yankees officially announce Burnett trade

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Here’s the press release. Raul Ibanez should be next.

The New York Yankees today announced they have traded right-handed pitcher A.J. Burnett and cash considerations to Pittsburgh in exchange for minor leaguers RHP Diego Moreno and OF Exicardo Cayones.

Moreno, 25, combined to make 41 relief appearances with Single-A Bradenton and Double-A Altoona in 2011, going 2-4 with a 3.63 ERA (44.2IP, 18ER). He struck out 45 batters and held opponents to a .218 (36-for-165) batting average. In five minor league seasons (2007-11), he has combined to strike out 212 batters in 194.0 innings pitched over 116 games (six starts). A native of Higuerote, Venezuela, Moreno was signed by the Pirates as a non-drafted free agent on August 21, 2006.

Cayones, 20, was signed as a non-drafted free agent on July 4, 2008, out of Valencia, Venezuela. In three minor league seasons, he has batted .272 (128-for-471) with 34 doubles, seven triples, one home run and 68 RBI in 149 games, appearing at all three outfield positions. He split the 2011 season between the GCL Pirates and short-season Single-A State College, combining to hit .228 (26-for-114) in 38 games.

Burnett, 35, was signed by the Yankees as a free agent on December 18, 2008, to a five-year contract. In his three seasons with the club, he went 34-35 with a 4.79 ERA (584.0IP, 311ER) in 99 games (98 starts). His 58 wild pitches recorded during his three-year stint with the Yankees (2009-11) were the most for any Major League pitcher over a three-season span since Tony Cloninger threw 62 wild pitches from 1964 through 1966, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

He posted an 11-11 record with a 5.15 ERA (190.1IP, 109ER) in 33 appearances (32GS) with the Yankees in 2011, setting career-highs in home runs allowed (31) and tying a career-high in earned runs allowed, while ranking first with a franchise-record 25 wild pitches – the most by any Major League pitcher in a single season since the start of the 2000s and the fifth most since 1900.

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116 Responses to “Yankees officially announce Burnett trade”

  1. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Pujols and Fielder fled the NL Central after hearing AJ Burnett was likely to be traded there. No one else is going to make it out alive.

  2. SmellHall February 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    They probably should have found something nice to say about Burnett, like Game 2 in 2009.

  3. Bret The Hitman February 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    +Pineda
    +Kuroda
    +Soler

    -Burnett

  4. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    They’re not signing Soler, Bret.

  5. ryanm February 19th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    YES!!!!!!!

  6. blake February 19th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 1h Framework for #Yankees deal with Ibanez – about $1M plus incentives – has been in place for weeks. But Yanks had to be sure didn’t (cont)

    Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 1h Now that AJ trade is done, it would be a big upset if #Yankees didn’t finalize something quickly with Ibanez. Sides are in negotiations.

  7. Benny Blanco February 19th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Some of you act like Pineda’s record this year will be 2-18 with a 6.45 era. Calm down and let the kid work on his craft. Gee whiz!

    No pitchers skills are “polished” when they are 23 years old…

    Name one player. Not halladay, not lee, not cc, not felix…

    If we had verlander and had to sit thru his 11-17 season with his 4.84 era and a whopping 1.4 whip, you all would have been calling for him to be traded.

  8. njsketch February 19th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    now that he’s gone, has the real story behind his black eye and dave eiland’s sabbatical a few years ago ever been made public? just curious.

  9. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    If Kuroda and Pineda just pitch the way they did last year they should combine for 30+ wins.

    Im not as worried about Pineda’s CU as some…..the fact that he can command the ball so well at an early age suggests that he can repeat and also suggests a good aptitude for pitching……its usually easier to improve a pitch when you don’t have to worry about throwing strikes with your other ones…..as I’ve said ……if he continues to throw 97…..continues to throw strikes…..and can just develop a big league quality change up and 2 seam then I think the Yanks will have their co-ace soon…..

  10. Ys Guy February 19th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    actually benny, i think they expect him to go 15-5 with a 3.55 era, but that it won’t be enough to make up for what they expected from montero (.305 42 140)

  11. ET February 19th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    What the Phillies tried to do last week, sources said today, was trade Joe Blanton for Bobby Abreu, then flip Abreu for Burnett.

  12. Benny Blanco February 19th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Y’s guy,

    Its unreal how some yankee fans have zero patient..

  13. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    This Jeremy Lin thing is unreal….I may become a bandwagon Knicks fan.

  14. igotid88 February 19th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Benny Blanco February 19th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
    Some of you act like Pineda’s record this year will be 2-18 with a 6.45 era. Calm down and let the kid work on his craft. Gee whiz!

    No pitchers skills are “polished” when they are 23 years old…

    Name one player. Not halladay, not lee, not cc, not felix…

    If we had verlander and had to sit thru his 11-17 season with his 4.84 era and a whopping 1.4 whip, you all would have been calling for him to be traded.
    ——————–

    I guess you haven’t seen the way they treat Hughes here.

  15. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    “actually benny, i think they expect him to go 15-5 with a 3.55 era, but that it won’t be enough to make up for what they expected from montero (.305 42 140)”

    I don’t think anyone expected more than like 35 homers from Mkntero as a rookie ;)

  16. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    “..and can just develop a big league quality change up and 2 seam then I think the Yanks will have their co-ace soon…..”

    blake-

    you’e dreaming. he’s a fly ball pitcher. he’s going to struggle with lefties at yankee stadium as soon as it gets in his head how easy it is for balls to go out in right.

    there is nothing about him that says ace yet. he has to develop a plus change for that. there is no indication he has an aptitude for the change. until we see it we’re not going to know if he can do it. he is going to have pressure on him unlike any he has ever had before.

    i think you are underestimating how hard it is to learn and win at the same time.

    safeco gave him a safety net to pitch in. yankee stadium is a launching pad by comparison.

  17. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    I doubt the Yanks would have saved as much money on the Abreu deal…..

  18. austinmac February 19th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    I did not realize how historic Burnett’s wild pitches were. His games were always painful to watch. How many times did I yell at my TV “Get ahead of the hitters.” Martin may hit 20 points better not having to take all the bruising.

  19. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    “I guess you haven’t seen the way they treat Hughes here.”

    “11-17 season with his 4.84 era” would be a good year for hughes because it would have meant he was making most of his starts. hughes doesn’t stay healthy like verlander has.

  20. jacksquat February 19th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Ys Guy February 19th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    actually benny, i think they expect him to go 15-5 with a 3.55 era, but that it won’t be enough to make up for what they expected from montero (.305 42 140)

    Montero should do well, but I don’t think he’s hitting 42 hr in safeco, in that division. And 140 rbi’s on that team is definitely not happening no matter how well he hits.

  21. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Randy,

    How many 22 year olds can you think of with that velocity and control/command?

    He’s still developing and I don’t think its out of the question to suggest he could improve his change up…..Id much rather have a kid that has two plus pitches he can throw for strikes than a kid that has 4 inconsistent pitches and walk issues.

  22. Villa Nova-Ya February 19th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Blake -

    There is nothing you can say to Randy. He knows all.

  23. Benny Blanco February 19th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    “there is nothing about him that says ace yet. he has to develop a plus change for that. there is no indication he has an aptitude for the change.”

    Proof please. How could you make such an assumption?

  24. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    blake-

    you do realize he may never get a plus change don’t you ?

    there is no reason to believe he will develop one.

    it is far more likely he will develop a better change, but not a really good one.

    if he just develops a better change you’re looking at a number three and not an ace.

    if he doesn’t get a better change. you’re looking at a three or four.

    pineda is a huge gamble for cashman to be making.

    it’s right up there with starting hughes and kennedy in 2008 . no one thought they’d go 0-16 that year, but stuff happens under pressure.

    cashman isn’t doing pineda any favors by starting him in new york. the smart move is to remove him from the pressure to wn and let him learn the change the right way in scranton.

    pineda has never had the pressure to win before.

  25. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Randy just misses Montero and is having a hard time coping ;)

  26. ET February 19th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    The Phillies’ hope was that Burnett for two years would’ve provided at least a bit of a safety net in the event Hamels walks away as a FA

  27. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    “you do realize he may never get a plus change don’t you ?”

    I do…..but at 23 years old I think its very premature to suggest he can’t…..its not like this has been a priority for years and he still cant throw it……give the kid a chance.

  28. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    “Proof please. How could you make such an assumption?”

    he’s been pitching for five years and he has a lousy change up.

    there’s no assumption there.

    if he had a knack for a change up , he’s have it already. they are going to have their work cutout for them teaching him this pitch.

    they are trying togo from terrible to good with the change up.

    that’s a big step. it may never happen.

  29. GreenBeret7 February 19th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Neither Hughes nor Pineda will be going to AAA to start the season, nor should they. They sooner people get off of that kick, the better off they’ll be.

  30. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Sound like the Phils are a but concerned Cole might walk.

  31. Best To Ever Do It February 19th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    “I guess you haven’t seen the way they treat Hughes here.”

    ——————————-

    It’s not like he’s treated unfairly.

  32. Benny Blanco February 19th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    “you do realize he may never get a plus change don’t you ?”

    You do realize that using the word “never” is a big statement?

    “pineda has never had the pressure to win before.”

    I partially agree with this statement, however you don’t know what pineda’s make-up is?

  33. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    “.its not like this has been a priority for years and he still cant throw it……give the kid a chance.”

    blake-

    just because a guy can hit the ball 320yards it doesn’t mean he’s going to have the touch necessary to develop a short game.

    they are going to try to teach pineda the short game at yankee stadium under the pressure to win.
    that’s just plain dumb.

  34. GreenBeret7 February 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Something else that’s annoying is this BS about Tampa developing pitchers. How come nobody talks about their inability to develop position players? They’ve developed exactly two in 12 years that have become what they were supposed to be….Crawford and Longoria.

  35. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    ” however you don’t know what pineda’s make-up is?”

    he seems like a coachable nice kid with the rare ability to throw 97mph.

    there is nothing there that says he can throw a change up.

    its pure speculation that he can.

    you people are thinking it’s like going to wall mart and buying one.

    t doesn’t happen like that.

  36. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    “Something else that’s annoying is this BS about Tampa developing pitchers.”

    tampa doesn’t develop starting pitchers ?

    what’s their rotation made up of this year?
    isn’t it all home grown?

  37. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    “they are going to try to teach pineda the short game at yankee stadium under the pressure to win. that’s just plain dumb”

    Let’s give the kid a chance to pitch and see what he does…..

  38. Villa Nova-Ya February 19th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Blake -

    enough is enough.

  39. GreenBeret7 February 19th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Randy, I didn’t say that Tampa didn’t develop starting pitchers. I just said that it was getting tiresome to trade it every subject change. I asked why nobody mentions their inability to develop position players in 12 years, besides the too I mentioned.

  40. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    gb7

    sorry about that. i misunderstood what you said about their starting pitching. i have no idea why they are better at developing pitching than hitting.

  41. blake February 19th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    “its pure speculation that he can.”

    Ifs also pure speculation that he can’t.

  42. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Zobrist? BJ Upton?

  43. Wave Your Hat February 19th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Pineda will rock, change up or no change up, wait and see.

  44. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Thank the lord AJ is gone…Randy still whining about Pineda’s lack of a changeup…???

  45. GreenBeret7 February 19th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    to ***read**** it every subject

  46. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    TB losing all those years explains their “ability” to develop pitchers.

  47. Best To Ever Do It February 19th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Something else that’s annoying is this BS about Tampa developing pitchers. How come nobody talks about their inability to develop position players? They’ve developed exactly two in 12 years that have become what they were supposed to be….Crawford and Longoria.

    ——————————-

    Some organizations are better at certain things than others. The pitching thing gets beaten to death because they are the keys to the kingdom.

  48. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “it’s also pure speculation that he can’t.”

    where would it be easier to work on a plus change?

    the obvious answer would be scranton.

    why make it harder on the kid to learn a plus change?

  49. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Nolan Ryan and others did fine without a changeup.

  50. Best To Ever Do It February 19th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    TB losing all those years explains their “ability” to develop pitchers.

    ——————————–

    Yes because all of their picks were 1st rounders.

  51. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    “Pineda will rock, change up or no change up, wait and see.”

    or get rocked without a third pitch.

  52. GreenBeret7 February 19th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    They didn’t develop Zobrist. He was a major league trade from Houston and I’d hardly consider Upton “developed”. He’s had one season that was worth a damned. The rest of those seasons are incomplete messes.

  53. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Pineda gets lefties to swing and miss at his slider 32% of the time. Thats almost as good as all of Phil Hughes pitches combined vs lefties.

  54. Wave Your Hat February 19th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    “or get rocked without a third pitch”

    I understand it is important for you to believe that, because of your dislike of Cashman, but it isn’t going to happen.

  55. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    They didn’t develop Zobrist. He was a major league trade from Houston and I’d hardly consider Upton “developed”. He’s had one season that was worth a damned. The rest of those seasons are incomplete messes.

    BJ Upton, from age 22 to 26 has had 5 seasons in centerfield. .894 OPS, .784, .745, .759 in 4 of them. All above major league average, all very good for a centerfielder with plus defense. Zobrist spent 3 seasons in the Tampa farm system and major leagues before figuring it out. Hardly any team will draft->develop every player they own. Some are traded for and developed. Like the Yankees hope to do with Pineda. They should definitely get credit if Pineda has success.

  56. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Yanks going on a limb. Who is the insurance if a pitcher goes down? No Noesi, No AJ (200 innings).
    Is Warren or Phelps the answer?

  57. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Desmond Jennings looks like a keeper.

  58. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    …not even a Colon to fall back on if Hughes comes up lame.

  59. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Is Warren or Phelps the answer?

    Yes. They have Garcia/Hughes as the 6th man. Phelps & DJ Mitchell both on the 40 man. Warren is either better than both of them or in a tie with Phelps. And Betances, Banuelos behind those guys.

    Plenty of coverage. Phelps or Warren could be a 4 or a 5 on another team out of spring.

  60. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    “Pineda gets lefties to swing and miss at his slider 32% of the time”

    “gets” is a funny word.

    it implies what’s happening now.

    i don’t see anything happening now.

    i see stats from two halves of a season last year that were every different.

    i don’t see any present stats happening at yankees stadium.

    i don’t see pineda’s slider scaring many lefties at yankee stadium this summer if he doesn’t get that elusive third pitch.

    the safety net of safeco will be gone.

  61. Wave Your Hat February 19th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    “mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
    Yanks going on a limb. Who is the insurance if a pitcher goes down? No Noesi, No AJ (200 innings).
    Is Warren or Phelps the answer?”

    Between Hughes or Garcia, and Phelps, Mitchell and Warren, the Yanks have all the insurance they need. Probably too much insurance.

  62. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    in fact, who is their 12th pitcher…Okajima?

  63. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Between Hughes or Garcia, and Phelps, Mitchell and Warren, the Yanks have all the insurance they need. Probably too much insurance.
    =============
    maybe for a 5th starter but not a 3rd.

  64. igotid88 February 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
    “I guess you haven’t seen the way they treat Hughes here.”

    “11-17 season with his 4.84 era” would be a good year for hughes because it would have meant he was making most of his starts. hughes doesn’t stay healthy like verlander has.
    ——————————————————–

    a healthy Hughes would be better than 11-17 and 4.84 era though

  65. blake February 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    If Pineda hasn’t improved his CU at all by this time next year then Ill start to have some concern…..eight now though I just want to see him pitch and build on last season.

  66. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    “I understand it is important for you to believe that, because of your dislike of Cashman, but it isn’t going to happen.”

    my dislike of cashman caused pineda to get rocked for a 5.20 era the last half of 2011?

    wow, my powers are amazing.

  67. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    does pineda have to give immediate gratification.
    can’t he grow and get better with time?
    is he incapable of learning…some think so.

  68. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    i don’t see pineda’s slider scaring many lefties at yankee stadium this summer if he doesn’t get that elusive third pitch.

    This doesn’t make any sense. Lefties didn’t swing and miss at Pineda’s slider last year because it was a bad pitch that they could hammer if only they were in yankee stadium. They swung and missed at it because its a plus pitch and plus pitches will beat most batters on principle.

  69. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    maybe for a 5th starter but not a 3rd.

    The Yankees did not have whatever kind of made up insurance you’re thinking about last year.

    CC, Nova, Kuroda, Pineda is an awesome 1-4. Their #5 should be good as well. They have ample room behind them. Hardly any team can survive or plan for 3 pitchers getting hurt, if that is what you are thinking.

  70. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    the good news is even if pineda struggles the yankees won’t.

    they should breeze into the playoffs this year.

    the red sox are a mess.

  71. Wave Your Hat February 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    ” February 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    Between Hughes or Garcia, and Phelps, Mitchell and Warren, the Yanks have all the insurance they need. Probably too much insurance.
    =============
    maybe for a 5th starter but not a 3rd.”

    Get serious. Kuroda is insurance for CC, Pineda is insurance for Kuroda, Nova is insurance for Pineda. No one keeps a #3 in reserve for insurance.

  72. m February 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    in fact, who is their 12th pitcher…Okajima?
    ______________________________
    No.

  73. Ys Guy February 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    this really has become the anti-pineda, anti-cashman, anti-girardi board hasn’t it? the term ‘yankee’s fan’ is loosely defined here…

  74. Wave Your Hat February 19th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    JF types faster than I do.

  75. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Yes. They have Garcia/Hughes as the 6th man.
    =============================
    They are not. They are 4 and 5. If they are out of the rotation for Warren or Phelps they will be on the DL.

  76. antisocial scrooge February 19th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    pineda increased his ground ball rate every single month. if he can keep that up, he’ll be ok. good article on pineda and the homeruns at fangraphs.
    http://www.fangraphs.com/fanta.....-new-york/

  77. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    CC
    Nova ( I think they give it to him)
    Kuroda
    Pineda
    Hughes

    Garcia
    Wade
    Soriano
    Robertson
    Mariano

    Logan
    Cabral/Rapada (bet on one of them making the team)

    Martin
    Cervelli

    Tex
    Cano
    Jeter
    Arod

    Nunez
    Chavez or other

    Granderson
    Gardner
    Swisher

    Jones
    Ibanez

    This is my early guess for the 25 man on opening day.

    Phelps, Mitchell, Warren, Banuelos, Betances is excellent pitching coverage. Phelps & Warren are guys that would be getting more play on a team that isn’t the Yankees. They are both really good prospects. Phelps was compared to Pineda as the kind of guy who could have a ‘pineda-like’ season in his first year because he throws pretty hard and doesn’t walk guys. That is always a good skill to have. Warren has a lot of different fastballs and also doesn’t walk guys. Both should be very serviceable in case of injury.

  78. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    The Yankees did not have whatever kind of made up insurance you’re thinking about last year.
    ================================
    They had Colon. He picked up the slack of Hughes.
    They had Noesi hanging around.
    They had a 6 man rotation. No insurance?

  79. m February 19th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Y’s Guy,

    It only seems that way. It’s one person steering that cart.

  80. Wave Your Hat February 19th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “my dislike of cashman caused pineda to get rocked for a 5.20 era the last half of 2011?”

    Your dislike of Cashman forces you to look at the glass as half empty. You don’t look at his first half, you don’t look at his age, you don’t look at his fast ball, you don’t look at the scout’s opinion of him.

    You only look at what you want to see.

  81. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    “They swung and missed at it because its a plus pitch and plus pitches will beat most batters on principle.”

    what makes you think it will remain a plus pitch when the right field fence is so much easier to reach.

    mistakes in yankee stadium are very different than mistakes in safeco.

    i agree it would be better for pineda not to think about home runs flying out of yankee stadium in right field, but that’s what happens there.

  82. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    In fact they do have insurance with Freddy or Hughes as the 6th man.

  83. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    randy still playing devil’s advocate, business still slow?

  84. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    They are not. They are 4 and 5. If they are out of the rotation for Warren or Phelps they will be on the DL.

    What? No they aren’t. CC, Nova, Kuroda, Pineda. Thats your 1-4. 5th is one of Garcia, Hughes. The other becomes the 6th choice.

  85. GreenBeret7 February 19th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
    Desmond Jennings looks like a keeper.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    So did Joe Charboneau….for one year.

  86. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    They had Colon. He picked up the slack of Hughes.
    They had Noesi hanging around.
    They had a 6 man rotation. No insurance?

    They have this exact same kind of insurance.

    Colon = Hughes or Garcia
    Noesi = Phelps or Mitchell (both are on the 40 man like Noesi so will get the call first)

  87. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    “You only look at what you want to see.”

    my dislike of cashman caused him to totally muck up hughes and joba careers so far ?

    again,i am amazed at my powers.

  88. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    what makes you think it will remain a plus pitch when the right field fence is so much easier to reach.

    Probably because when lefties managed to put his slider in play it was a ground ball 55% of the time.

  89. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    “randy still playing devil’s advocate, business still slow?”

    not as slow as your synapses .

  90. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    “Probably because when lefties managed to put his slider in play it was a ground ball 55% of the time.”

    they put it in play in yankee stadium.

    interesting.

  91. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    care to define synapses?

  92. Wave Your Hat February 19th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    “randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
    “You only look at what you want to see.”

    my dislike of cashman caused him to totally muck up hughes and joba careers so far ?

    again,i am amazed at my powers.”

    You have no idea whether Cashman messed up Joba and Hughes. They might have messed up no matter what. That’s what you choose to believe. And, supposing for a moment Cashman did mess them up, you think the Yanks are the only organization with touted prospects that didn’t work out? Give me a break.

  93. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    again,i am amazed at my powers.
    ======================
    why does this not surprise me?

  94. Best To Ever Do It February 19th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    And, supposing for a moment Cashman did mess them up, you think the Yanks are the only organization with touted prospects that didn’t work out?
    ————————————

    Of course not but they are still looking to develop a starting pitcher. That was the goal yrs ago when he took control of the organization. If Joba and Hughes become a 3 and a 1 is Pineda a Yankee? If those guys reach their ceilings are they chasing pitching for all those seasons?

  95. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    they put it in play in yankee stadium.

    interesting.

    Stadiums don’t turn ground balls into flyballs, randy.

  96. GreenBeret7 February 19th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Zobrist was well over a .300 hitter in the Houston system. How much developmemt did Tampa have left to do?

  97. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    “Stadiums don’t turn ground balls into flyballs, randy.”

    that’s like saying water all the way down the right side doesn’t affect a golfers swing.

  98. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    that’s like saying water all the way down the right side doesn’t affect a golfers swing.

    No, its not like that at all. Batters were unable to get lift on his slider and change up, which will not change just because he moved to a different stadium.

  99. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Why was Wang able to get so many ground balls in Yankee Stadium? Why weren’t all the left handed batters just magically hitting fly balls because they wanted too?

    Because they could not. The action and location of the pitch stopped them from being able to consistently hit it into the air. The same will be true for Pineda’s slider. Pitchers have their flyball and ground ball rates. They stay consistent from stadium to stadium.

    You can either understand this or continue to pretend like you don’t so you can complain about Pineda more.

  100. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    “No, its not like that at all. Batters were unable to get lift on his slider and change up, which will not change just because he moved to a different stadium.”

    pineda will pitch away to lefties at yankee stadium and get behind much more often.

    its a very different ball park than safeco.

  101. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Zobrist was well over a .300 hitter in the Houston system. How much developmemt did Tampa have left to do?

    More than 2 seasons worth because all those .300 averages in the minors did not allow him to burst onto the scene in the majors. Development is not an on/off switch. For someone that says they watch as much minor league baseball as you do, I think you’d understand that.

    Players are not cakes, who come out of a minor league oven 100% ready to be eaten.

  102. Bret The Hitman February 19th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Jerkface was always my horse for the post-Montero meltdown contest. I was wrong. It’s clearly Randy who fell into full meltdown mode because of the trade. Randy I hope you change your tune when Pineda dons the pinstripes and throws a couple gems. This is exhausting. You are like a pitbull but your biting down on a mannequin here, not a real person.

  103. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    “You can either understand this or continue to pretend like you don’t so you can complain about Pineda more.”

    you can keep insisting you have stats on pineda pitching at yankee stadium and you have little to go on.

    quit acting like you do.

  104. Bret The Hitman February 19th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Just think of all the negative energy you’re directing at Pineda here. As a young Yankee prospect, he deserves the same chance you gave Montero when you crowned him the next Mickey Mantle.

  105. randy l. February 19th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    bret-

    i think pineda is a good kid with a lot of talent.

    i like good kids with a lot of talent at scranton so they can learn what they need to learn.

  106. Bret The Hitman February 19th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    I talk Yankees baseball on the phone nearly every night with my best friend. Every time we talk and Pineda’s name comes up, he says “I can’t believe we got that guy.” Some fans are extremely excited about Pineda. I know I am. Quit whizzing all over those fans.

  107. have a cigar February 19th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    C.R9 > randy l.

  108. Bret The Hitman February 19th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Why does he have to go to Scranton?

    Nova started in MLB last year, went to Scranton and came back. I don’t see why Pineda has to take a linear route. His FB and slider and control are so good, he doesn’t need the kind of changeup that Hughes or Burnett need. And his confidence seems higher than those two as well, so I expect him to trust himself throwing that pitch and sticking with it if it gets hammered on occasion.

  109. mick February 19th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    randy knows better as he has played the game…

  110. Wave Your Hat February 19th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Bret,

    Randy wants Pineda to start in AAA because it would make Cashman look bad. Trading Montero for a AAA pitcher. Get it?

    Don’t let it bother you.

  111. Jerkface February 19th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    you can keep insisting you have stats on pineda pitching at yankee stadium and you have little to go on.

    pineda will pitch away to lefties at yankee stadium and get behind much more often.

    its a very different ball park than safeco.

    And yet somehow, despite your insistence, most pitchers maintain consistent groundball/flyball rates between stadiums.

  112. Bret The Hitman February 19th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Randy you’re better than that. You’re letting your anger over losing Montero get the best of you. Just take a step back and try not to talk about the trade or Pineda or Cashman. It’s only making you more angry. You’re gonna spoil your whole spring at this rate. Just wait until he pitches and hold off on the critiques. You’ve already established that you are against the trade and you are on record as being the most vocal, most outspoken against it here on LOHUD. If the trade bombs everyone will clearly identify you as being the rightest of the right and your time spent bashing the trade will be justified. As far as I can see, your work is done. Now don’t torture yourself until spring.

  113. Bret The Hitman February 19th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    And so I met this nurse who runs a health care clinic on the administration level. She is blond, green eyes and successful. She can be my sugar momma if I play my cards right. I need some new threads.

  114. Wave Your Hat February 19th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Good luck, Bret.

  115. 108 stitches February 19th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    it will be Larry Rothschild, Freddy Garcia, or C.C. that will offer their help with Pineda developing an off speed pitch to go along with the rest of his arsenal.

  116. Crawdaddy February 19th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    “Randy you’re better than that.”

    No, he’s not! The dude isn’t right and I’m surprise others can’t see that. The Randy pollution of this board is making it unreadable.

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