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First workout comes to an end

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 20, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees first workout has finished and Joe Girardi just started his preseason press conference. So far, so good.

“I thought our guys came in good shape,” Girardi said. “I thought they were all ready to go.”

Nothing really stands out from the workout. Pretty standard day of bullpens, pitchers fielding drills and a little bit of batting practice for the catchers.

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88 Responses to “First workout comes to an end”

  1. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Conversation starter.

    The 2011 NY Yankees lost 3 ALDS games in which they scored 4, 3 and 2 runs.

    In the wildcard era there was another ALDS series in which the yankees had three games in which they scored the exact run totals of 4, 3, and 2 runs.

    Can anyone name that ALDS?

  2. blake February 20th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    2009?

  3. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    2009?

    No they scored 7, 4, 4 that series.

  4. blake February 20th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Just a guess….I just remembered they swept …..and I figured it was some trick question by Stuckey to suggest they don’t need offense :)

  5. MaineYankee February 20th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    I can’t believe Joe didn’t call Pineada out for coming into camp overweight.

  6. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    It is a trick question, because the 98 Yankees are the answer.

  7. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    So there you go, as long as the yankees offense is twice as good as the #2 offense in the league, and their pitching is also #1 then we don’t have anything to worry about. Balance!

  8. Erin February 20th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    MarcCarig As far as how much he will DH A-Rod, Girardi says he has no set number. Will play it by ear it seems.

    MarcCarig Girardi sees Cano, Alex, Cano 3-4-5 in lineup. But he’s “not married to that.”

    LoHudYankees Girardi said he has no plans of changing his setup situation: Soriano in the seventh, Robertson in the eighth.

  9. blake February 20th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    It is a trick question, because the 98 Yankees are the answer.”

    I knew it!

  10. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    @BloggingBombers

    Girardi leaning toward Cano-ARod-Teixeira at 3-4-5 but “I’m not married to that.”

    I like it, as well as Girardi saying they see Hughes as a starter but will compete with Garcia regardless. Phantom competition, Hughes is the #5 and Garcia is the long man. That is ideal.

  11. blake February 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Cano can hit 3rd and 5th both……yes!

  12. Best To Ever Do It February 20th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “Then last season he came to camp in terrible shap, and his entire season was put in jeopardy, and as I’m sure you are aware, an athlete that is out of shape, tends to be even more prone to injury.”

    big al-

    isn’t pineda twenty pounds overweight coming in?

    just saying.
    —————————–

    GOT THIS FROM ANOTHER BOARD

    Montero will inevitably be compared to Michael Pineda this season and likely for several years to come. The Mariners might have gotten a head start in that contest with news today that Pineda weighed in at 280 pounds (!!) in Yankees camp and admits he could stand to lose about 10 of them.

    Um, try 20, Michael. Maybe 30.

    Seriously, Pineda last season was sporting a nice roll of fat around his mid-section and wasn’t close to weighing 280 pounds. And believe me, I don’t want to slag this pitcher just because he went to another team and isn’t around to defend himself.

    Pineda is a likeable guy and had a great first season in the majors. But I’d be lying if I told you he had his weight under control.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....pposi.html

  13. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    1998

    Against a Texas Rangers team that gave up 871 runs (not a typo) in the regular season, with the first two games being at Arlington.

    Given the criticism the 2011 team received for only scoring 4, 3, and 2 runs in their 3 loses, despite scoring the most avg runs of any 2011 team in the DS and having the best run differential of any team, I find it interesting how we view history of the Yankees and how different it would be if their pitching hadn’t been so dominant that first round.

    btw – the 1998 Yankees followed up that 3 game series by scoring 7 (in a loss) 1, 1 and 4 runs in their next four games.

    The best baseball team in the modern era struggled to score in their first 7 PS games.

    ALL of the Yankees WS teams from 96 to 2011 in fact struggled to score in the majority of first round series.

  14. Your Worst Nightmare February 20th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    “MarcCarig Girardi sees Cano, Alex, Cano 3-4-5 in lineup. But he’s “not married to that.”

    ==============

    Boy, I sure would be having 2 Robbie Cano’s ! !

  15. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Ummm, how is that a “trick” question?

    You guys are confusing a trick question with an unexpected answer.

  16. jacksquat February 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    @BloggingBombers

    Girardi leaning toward Cano-ARod-Teixeira at 3-4-5 but “I’m not married to that.”

    I like it, as well as Girardi saying they see Hughes as a starter but will compete with Garcia regardless. Phantom competition, Hughes is the #5 and Garcia is the long man. That is ideal.

    I don’t think it’s a phantom competition, I think Hughes needs to take it from Garcia. 2011 Garcia, not 2012 spring training Garcia.

  17. CompassRosy February 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    “what’s the downside of 6 weeks at scranton where he throws the change up even when they know it’s coming ?”

    ~

    Likely none.
    I guess the question would be, who takes his spot in the rotation during those six weeks? and will that pitcher be able to perform better overall than MP would have?

    As I mentioned last night, even in Marinerland there was hand-wringing over Pineda so, not at all surprising some Yankee fans are participating too. But, as this blogger proclaims (and I agree) Michael’s gonna be just fine…

    http://tinyurl.com/7t4rstw

  18. blake February 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    “Ummm, how is that a “trick” question?”

    Come on……I didn’t know the answer but I knew why you asked it…..

  19. m February 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Hughes wasn’t in “terrible” shape. If that was terrible, then what was Joba? Either the narrative needs to stop, or people need to start including Joba in the story, too.

  20. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Ummm, how is that a “trick” question?

    Because you’re asking a loaded question with the intent to then surprise the people answering by revealing they aren’t thinking the way you want them to think.

  21. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I think Hughes has to be credible to win the job. IOW, FB command, maintain velo (adjusted for building arm strength), a tighter, maybe harder, curve, and some progress commanding whatever his current third pitch is, cutter, change, whatever.

  22. m February 20th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    How about Cano, Canoe, Cano?

  23. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    blake, don’t you find it interesting, however?

    Cliches’ like “pitching to the scoreboard” are routinely derided around here, so we can’t excuse the 1998 team of scoring to the scoreboard, or scoring what they need to win. They struggled to score, period.

    The 1998 Yankees scored I believe 960+ runs. The Rangers that year gave up 871, four worst total in all of baseball.

    They scored 2, 3 and 4 runs in games that counted, very much.

    This is not an argument to say the 2012 Yankees shouldn’t pursue offensive upgrades. It merely serves to put not only last year’s division series, but ALL division series in perspective.

    I think it also speaks to the “balance” issue often cited here recently. The 1998 postseason pitching was by and large MUCH better than their offense.

  24. UpState February 20th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    A. Jones (vs LHP)

    Year – BA – OBP

    10…256 / 373
    11…286 / 384

    Career 263 / 363
    ————————————-

    Ibanez (vs RHP)

    10…277 / 366
    11…256 / 307

    Career 286 / 351

    Appears to be a reasonable 2-headed DH.

    Actually rooting for Branyan.

  25. Best To Ever Do It February 20th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    m February 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Hughes wasn’t in “terrible” shape. If that was terrible, then what was Joba? Either the narrative needs to stop, or people need to start including Joba in the story, too.

    ———————————————

    Joba has always been included in the story. Before there was a picture of him in the 2010 ST there were all those tweets about how much weight he put on even though he looked the same. Hughes being out of shape didn’t pop up until much later in the season. Hell it might have come out after the season.

  26. blake February 20th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Stuckey
    Its a small sample….anything can happen in a short series.

  27. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “Because you’re asking a loaded question with the intent to then surprise the people answering by revealing they aren’t thinking the way you want them to think.”

    Nope. My intent was for people to know the answer, and therefore understand its relevancy.

    I had no design other than conversation about a hot topic these last few months.

    Seriously JF, you’re starting to venture into Randy territory at this stage.

  28. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    “Its a small sample….anything can happen in a short series.”

    Exactly Blake.

  29. pkyankfan69 February 20th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    “I let a few too many people tinker with me, maybe,” Burnett said. “When you let that happen, you start doubting yourself sometimes. You wonder, ‘Am I doing it right? Is this how it’s supposed to feel?’ and things like that. In ’09, nobody messed with me. I was able to do what I wanted to do on the mound, whether it was turn around, close my eyes and pitch upside down. Then you have a few bad games and you start changing and listening.”

    Here come the excuses.

  30. 86w183 February 20th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Freddie Garcia has made 327 starts in his MLB career. He has made exactly TWO relief appearances.

    You can’t just slide a guy from starting to relieving that easily. How quickly does he warm up? Can he pitch two days in a row or even twice in 3 or 4 days?

    Finesse pitchers have even more trouble dealing with sporadic work loads.

    If the Yanks have six starters healthy and pitching well at the end of March then one of them is going to be traded.

  31. pat February 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    msimonespn
    A “next level” look at Michael Pineda’s changeup, CC Sabathia’s defense http://es.pn/xVgfqw #Yankees

  32. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    why has long had such good results with with granderson while the team ops has been moving downward the past few years?

  33. m February 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Best,

    I forgot the actual figure, but it finally leaked out recently how much over Joba reported in 2011. Does anyone remember? I think Sherman reported it. Something about for all the grief Hughes got, Joba reported in XX lbs over.

  34. blake February 20th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Stuckey,

    You can still improve your chances despite that fact…..going in to the playoffs last year it was discussed here several times that the Tigers were a bad match up for the Yankees because they coukd expose their achilles heal…..which is offensive struggles vs good RHP…..turned out it cost them…..so the Yanks can either address the issue or hope it doesn’t become a problem again…

  35. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    “the beauty of this is that we are going to be seeing quickly what pineda can do. because of these debates we will all be watching with a microscope every change up pineda throws.
    that’s a bad thing ?

    “i think the people who can’t stomach heated debate are people who really don’t like learning.”

    In this spirit, yes or no, doesn’t it make perfect sense to use the next 6 weeks to learn more about Pineda before deciding the best course of action for him.

    I am not asking you to cite Brian Cashman’s opinion Randy, I’m asking yours.

    Shouldn’t we learn what we can over the next 6 weeks before deciding where Pineda should start the season?

    I can’t reconcile your above comments with making that determination right now.

  36. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Nope. My intent was for people to know the answer, and therefore understand its relevancy.

    Thats exactly what I said, just in nicer terms. The yankees are going to the playoffs and the playoffs are a crapshoot. Pack it in, nothing to talk about. What does it matter if Garcia or Hughes is the 5th starter? Neither matters in the grand scheme of the inexorable baseball season or the roulette wheel of playoff baseball.

    You can’t position yourself for success, because success in the postseason is an illusion. The worst teams can win. The best teams will lose.

  37. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    “why has long had such good results with with granderson while the team ops has been moving downward the past few years?”

    Perhaps Granderson is an exception to the overall downward trend of league-wide OPS?

  38. Benny Blanco February 20th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Blake,

    I told you that pineda’s change-up would be the most talked about story line :)

  39. blake February 20th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    That link about Pineda’s CU suggest that he just needs to improve his location with it….he’s getting it up and catching more of the plate than he needs to…..fixable

  40. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    “That link about Pineda’s CU suggest that he just needs to improve his location with it….he’s getting it up and catching more of the plate than he needs to…..fixable”

    A consistent release point?

  41. Bronx Jeers February 20th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Another useful link in a long history of useful/educational/entertaining links from pat.

  42. pat February 20th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    m

    Not nice trying to deflect attention away from your kid and put it on someone elses.

  43. blake February 20th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    “A consistent release point?”

    I don’t think you can tell from that….just looks like he’s throwing in down the middle too much to me…..instead if low and away to lefties.

  44. LGY February 20th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    I maintain confidence in my bet with Pat M, but I do find it interesting how many lohudders think it’s Hughes’ job to lose.

    I could very well turn out to be wrong, but I just don’t think the Yankees second best starter in 2011 will be relegated to the bullpen.

  45. pat February 20th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    NYDNHarper
    Rivera playful today with reporters regarding playing beyond this season: “i know what i’m going to do. I’m just not going to tell you.”

  46. BIG AL February 20th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    m -

    If you don’t believe Hughes was in terrible shape, you did not look closly at his pictures from last ST, and in fact Hughes himself stated he was wrong to come to ST so out-of-shape. Hughes admitted last year he had not worked out during the off season, and that he would not repeat that this past off season, in which he did work very hard. It’s OK to talk about one player, wihout having to be a child and say, “Well then lets talk about Joba”. One, Joba has nothing to do with the Hughes discussion, and Joba was pitching well until he got injured.

  47. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    “That link about Pineda’s CU suggest that he just needs to improve his location with it….he’s getting it up and catching more of the plate than he needs to…..fixable”

    it doesn’t tell anything about it’s movement.

    a good change drops off the table away from the bat.

    it also doesn’t tell if pineda throws the pitch with the same motion as his fastball.

    come on blake . you know there’s more to it than just location.

    it’s deception.

  48. m February 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    pat,

    Haha. He’s not Sherman’s kid at ALL. Surely we can trust a biased source on this one?

  49. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    “You can still improve your chances despite that fact…..”

    I think you can improve your overall production for a regular season. I think any improvements are going to prove HIGHLY marginal in a short PS series.

    Not saying it isn’t worth doing, just arguing as I always do for perspective.

    “going in to the playoffs last year it was discussed here several times that the Tigers were a bad match up for the Yankees because they coukd expose their achilles heal…..which is offensive struggles vs good RHP…..turned out it cost them…..”

    Or it was just a tough 3 games.

    My point is, often in modern baseball discussion, we dismiss old ways of evaluating results – like win for pitchers and RBI for hitters, as really being misleading indicators of success.

    W-L also obscure our view and they alter our memories over time. The fact that the Yankees won SO many low-scoring postseason games from 1996 to 2001 I think hinders keeping what happened in 2011 (and really since 2003) in proper perspective.

    so the Yanks can either address the issue or hope it doesn’t become a problem again…

  50. Erin February 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Buster_ESPN Mariano Rivera says he already knows whether he will retire after this year. “I know now, but I don’t have to tell you,” he said.

  51. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    “I do find it interesting how many lohudders think it’s Hughes’ job to lose.”

    I would phase it that it’s Hughes job to take, all things being equal.

  52. BIG AL February 20th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    randy l. -

    For some folks, lifes all about deception, lol.

  53. Your Worst Nightmare February 20th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Looks like we will be stuck with the two headed platoon DH for $ 3- 4 million. It is unfortunate that Hal couldn’t get off a bit more coin and have one guy do most of the DH work leaving the balance to Jeet, ARod, etc. Would have allowed for another position player (Not Chavez) for more versatility on the club.

  54. Erin February 20th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    oops…pat beat me. ;)

  55. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    “I don’t think you can tell from that….just looks like he’s throwing in down the middle too much to me…..instead if low and away to lefties.”

    Oh, I missed the link. I was just I intuiting that location was likely to implicate his release point.

  56. LGY February 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    The Steve Novak discount double-check GIF is glorious

    http://thebiglead.fantasysport.....882761.gif

  57. blake February 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    “it doesn’t tell anything about it’s movement.”

    No but some of the data suggests it moves pretty well I believe…..I haven’t seen him pitch enough to know about release point….arm speed etc….but again those are things you can improve upon.

  58. BIG AL February 20th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    randy l. -

    The Hughes of the first half of 2010 would be too great an asset to linger in the BP, but, if he gets off to a slow, or bad start, I think that’s where Phil will wind up. I don’t see the Yankees letting him go out every 5 days and repeat what he did last year.

  59. Erin February 20th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    DanBarbarisi Russell martin says he and yankees talked about a 3 year contract this winter, but talks never got past the initial stages.

  60. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Randy, we all agree Pineda’s CU need improvement.

    But given Jesus Montero didn’t appear to take his AAA assignment very well in 2011, and it took until receiving a 2 game suspension and well into June for him to begin performing to his pedigree, wouldn’t it make sense that giving Michael Pineda what at this stage of his career be a demotion might not be the best course of action for him?

    Doesn’t it make good sense to at least use the next 6 weeks to determine whether a demotion is necessary and advisable for this particular player?

    Yes or no?

  61. m February 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Big Al,

    Hughes had an injury, too. So when did it occur? 1st bullpen of the ST? Late 2010? Nobody knows. If he pulled a groin or a hammy, then I would concede that it was due to a few extra lbs. But his shoulder and Joba’s TJS have nothing to do with how heavy they were when they reported last season.

    And Sherman put it out there about Joba. He’s much more credible than me. :P

  62. Pat M. February 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Hughes was dead after the 2010 season, his arm was spent after the innings jump and that’s why he rested ( a little more than he should have ) during that off season and came to camp soft………I think we’re going to see a huge difference this season…….

  63. BIG AL February 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Catch y’all later, have a great day.

  64. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    “DanBarbarisi Russell martin says he and yankees talked about a 3 year contract this winter, but talks never got past the initial stages.”

    That’s encouraging.

  65. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    @jorgearangure

    Almost just as many foreign born players in minors (on.wsj.com/29l56G) as US born players. why a 110m diff in bonus allocation?

  66. Bronx Jeers February 20th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    “DanBarbarisi Russell martin says he and yankees talked about a 3 year contract this winter, but talks never got past the initial stages.”

    I wonder if this was before or after the trade.

  67. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    “I wonder if this was before or after the trade.”

    If their intentions were to extend him, and they knew a trade was imminent, why would they delay until after the trade?

  68. Cashmoney February 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    couple thoughts on Pineda and apparently inking of ibanez.
    1. I see Randi’s point on new stadium and developing or refine a cu might be more difficult than learning in the minor. but cashman wont do that so it’s kinda moot. but I still think Pineda will do aight prolly wont match last year’s numbers in safeco.
    2. On Ibanez, i think he prolly hit some dingers in YS with ops wont come close to 800. that, I think a guy like Brayan might be able to match. I prefer vlad or damon whom i think may stick ard for whole season. but if Iba comes cheap i suppose they can spend more money and prospect to get another bat at mid season which might be counter productive if u can secuare a long term one for this year now.
    anywho nothing else going on in Yankees land i guess those two issue r the focal point for the day.

  69. LGY February 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Hughes was dead after the 2010 season, his arm was spent after the innings jump and that’s why he rested ( a little more than he should have ) during that off season and came to camp soft………I think we’re going to see a huge difference this season…….

    ——————–

    Is he going to have a major league quality curveball this season?

  70. m February 20th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    They might want to see what kind of year Matin is going to have before inking him to any multi-year contract.

  71. yankeefeminista February 20th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    BloggingBombers Martin was very impressed with Pineda. Said his changeup looked good, loved his plus slider and said command was better than expected.
    15 seconds ago · reply · retweet · favorite

  72. Benny Blanco February 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    MarksFienand

    Martin was very impressed with pineda. Said his changeup looked good, loved his plus slider and said his command was better than expected..

    33 seconds ago..via twitter.

  73. yankeefeminista February 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    For whomever was asking about Tim Norton… sounds like good news: http://blogs.thetimes-tribune......um=twitter

    I am still hoping Hughes is given every opportunity to start (AND develop) and we see more leg drive from him this year. Hopefully, with the extra arm strength, Hughes’ curve will be sharper with more velo.

  74. m February 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Looks like Martin reads LoHud.

    :P

  75. Cashmoney February 20th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    “Pineda’s gluteux maximum seem to tense when he grips cu”- one eye miguel tweeting from cell block 41 from Riker’s Island.

  76. Your Worst Nightmare February 20th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Bronx Jeers February 20th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    “DanBarbarisi Russell martin says he and yankees talked about a 3 year contract this winter, but talks never got past the initial stages.”

    I wonder if this was before or after the trade.

    —————

    Maybe before Hal decided to hide the checkbook ?

  77. CompassRosy February 20th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    mattpitman
    Pedro Gomez just reported live on @SportsCenter that Manny Ramirez has signed with the #Oakland A’s. Gomez says deal is about $500,000.

  78. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    For whomever was asking about Tim Norton… sounds like good news: http://blogs.thetimes-tribune……um=twitter

    Norton was almost assuredly getting called up last year if he didnt get hurt. It sucks he missed one of his opportunities due to injury. I hope he can make the majors this year.

  79. pat February 20th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    JonHeymanCBS
    manny is going to a’s

  80. pat February 20th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    manny to a’s is ml deal

  81. Cashmoney February 20th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    manny is going to a’s
    ——-
    low risk possibly decent reward move by As imo.

  82. pat February 20th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    It writes itself……..

    BryanHoch
    @PeterBotte Mannyball

  83. Bronx Jeers February 20th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    A new spot for Hughes victory tributes?

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/phil-h.....t-new-york

    “Scariest dive bar in NYC. You won’t find anyone in here younger than 50 unless it’s a prostitute.”

    “A sports bar/dive bar/place where old drunks go to die,”

  84. m February 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Bochy taking the heat off of Posey. Has told him not to block the plate. Bochy doesn’t want people to think that Posey is shying off himself.

  85. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    “Bochy taking the heat off of Posey. Has told him not to block the plate. Bochy doesn’t want people to think that Posey is shying off himself.”

    Posada’s mL ankle injry appeared to change his approach, and it worked out well enough for him.

  86. m February 20th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Follow up:

    I was unable to find any piece by Sherman giving the amount Joba had gained.

    But I did find that Cashman deflected attention to Hughes when asked about Joba’s weight gain last spring. (that’s for you, pat!)

    Cash’s response “about 8 pounds” over for Hughes.

    I read the story with the actual number for Joba here, not sure who the writer was. But it’s looking like it’s not Sherman.

  87. m February 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    I read that as ‘you won’t find any prostitutes under the age of 50.’

    :oops:

  88. Nick in SF February 20th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    m, you’re doing a lot of research to deflect attention from Phil’s fat farm forays. ;)

    :arrow:

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