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Rivera has made his decision, won’t announce it yet

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 20, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Mariano Rivera has made up his mind about next season. He said it was “two or three weeks” ago that he decided whether or not to retire, but he’s not ready to make that decision public.

“I know,” Rivera said. “I know now. Definitely. I won’t let you know now, but I know.”

Rivera tried to be cryptic about his decision, but everything he said heavily suggested that he’s decided to retire. A few of his comments:

• “It doesn’t depend on how I’m going to pitch. Always I want to do my job, but I’ve made my decision already.”

• “Even if I save 90 games. Even if they want to pay as much money as they want to, any team, (it won’t change the decision).”

• “Decisions like that are always hard. Always. They involve what you do and what you have done for 22 years. Decisions like that are always hard, difficult, but at the same time, they have to be made.”

• “I know what I want to do after this. There’s a lot of things I want to do after baseball. I always tell you guys that. It’s something that everybody goes through.”

• “If I wanted to become a manager I would continue playing until I can’t no more because you have to do the same thing, traveling and traveling.”

• “This one is different. This is it. This one is my decision.”

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97 Responses to “Rivera has made his decision, won’t announce it yet”

  1. Nick in SF February 20th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    :cry:

  2. Baseball Mogul February 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    G.O.A.T.

  3. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    As I think I posted, I have suspected that this will be it for Mo.

  4. blake February 20th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    He’s going to hang Uhm up and I have had a feeling since last year this would be it…..enjoy this season Yankee fans…..and Hal if you can go the extra mile to win this year without mortgaging the future….then do it.

  5. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    “and Hal if you can go the extra mile to win this year without mortgaging the future….then do it.”

    The early returns are contra.

  6. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    I don’t like the way Mariano is talking. Don’t go!

  7. Chase February 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    I love you, Mariano!

  8. Cashmoney February 20th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    A consummate professional and a gent, gonna miss Mo when he retires.

  9. Best To Ever Do It February 20th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    If this it hopefully Drob can fill his shoes but if he stumbles maybe the Yankees get Madson for 1 yr.

  10. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    “As I think I posted, I have suspected that this will be it for Mo.”

    teach pineda the cutter :)

  11. m February 20th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Sounds like he’s a goner. Let’s send him out on top!

    Nick,

    Haha. I followed up because I want to be accurate, or less wrong, in giving credit. I made the initial post in the interest of logic. But I can also take some good-natured ribbing from you and pat.

  12. jacksquat February 20th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Sounds like Mo is retiring. :sad:

  13. Sigmund February 20th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    As a Yankees fan, I am heartachy about this. As a Mariano fan, I think retirement is a great call. It would pain me deeply to see him be exposed on the mound as merely human. This way, I remain suspicious that, if you were to cut his arm, all that would spill out would be wires and electronics.

  14. Macfan February 20th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Greatest Of All Time indeed.

    LOL @ teach Pineda the cutter

    That would be sick if Pineda could replicate that pitch to go with his velocity as a power pitcher.

  15. m February 20th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Wait. It is good-natured, right?

  16. Macfan February 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Yep it sounds like this is the final season, no better way than for him to go out with another ring.

  17. Cashmoney February 20th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “We don’t want to face him any more. He’s too good. He belongs in a higher league. He should be banned from baseball.”
    - Tom Kelly

  18. Nick in SF February 20th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Of course! Always with affection, m.

    Unfortunately, due to his luxurious upbringing, Young Master Philip didn’t grow up with the natural toughness to overcome his ferocious flab. So he’s had to find that toughness elsewhere. Hopefully he really found the strength this time.

  19. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “teach pineda the cutter :)

    Oh, so now we’re sending Mariano Rivera to AAA too???

  20. Ys Guy February 20th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    manny to the a’s for $500K. the dh game of musical chairs is coming to an end, vlad, matsui, damon probably lining up at the oriole’s door, someone’s not going to get an mlb deal this spring.

  21. m February 20th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Not sure how the draft pool was calculated. But the Yankees have just $4.2M to spend. But the Angels only have $1.6M.

    As for the players and the CBA, the players association didn’t do a very good job representing their constituents. These players can’t or don’t want to wade through the complexities. Their union failed them on multiple issues, it appears.

  22. Macfan February 20th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    “manny to the a’s for $500K. the dh game of musical chairs is coming to an end, vlad, matsui, damon probably lining up at the oriole’s door, someone’s not going to get an mlb deal this spring.”

    +++++++++++++

    LOL, oh how the mighty have fallen, Manny for 500K, wow.

  23. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    stuckey-

    do you want to know when i first heard of mariano rivera?

    using your style of discussion:

    yes or no?

  24. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    June 28th 2013.

    Brian Cashman: “Hello, Mo, this is Brian. Derek and CC and Alex and Dave (Robertson] are on the line too…

    [together]: “HEY MO!!!!

    “Listen Mo, here’s our idea. Why don’t you head down to Tampa, bring the family along, you can use Derek’s house. He’s got a pool!

    Cashman: “Take a month to throw the ball, and then in August, every few days you can thrown in a Tampa Yankees game.

    “If at the end of August, the arm feels good, we’ll put ya back on the roster. Dave said despite his All-Star appearance and the great year he’s having, he’ll gladly concede the job back to you in October.”

    Robertson: “Really, Mo, it’s cool”

    Everyone: “PLLLLLEEEEEAAAAASSEEEEEEE?????”

    [and scene]

  25. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    I think Manny hit MLB bottom a while ago. I give him credit for trying to salvage his tattered rep.

  26. grouchonyy February 20th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    There’s still a need for Oakland until Manny serves his suspension

  27. tucker February 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Per the Joba-Hughes conditioning comparison, Joba reported last year in better shape for his position. Joba was clearly more muscular in his legs and upper body. It fit him well as a reliever with short arm action. He certainly was heavy, but it did not affect the endurance he needed as a short reliever.

    Hughes last year certainly was not conditioned like he was in 2009. You may blame his arm troubles on the Verducci effect, but his conditioning was subpar. That had to be a contributing factor.

    That said, Hughes looks great this year. Expect the results will follow.

  28. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    “do you want to know when i first heard of mariano rivera?

    “using your style of discussion:

    “yes or no?”

    Randy, my style of discussion is you answer my questions and I’ll answer yours.

    So yes… why not?

    My question is: Should the Yankees use the next 6 weeks to learn more about Michael Pineda as a person, a ballplayer and the state of his CU before punching his ticket for a demotion to AAA?

    Yes or no?

  29. Your Worst Nightmare February 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Mo is just ‘jacking’ with those gullible beat scribes. Another 2 year deal for $ 10 – 12 mil. per year after this year. His wife told him to go to FL. and get out from under her skin that’s why he was only one day late.

  30. Ys Guy February 20th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    true, but not likely the a’s are going to sign damon for even half his asking price for a 50 day stint. in fact, nobody is going to pay damon anywhere near $4M. johnny’s gonna have to really think hard about how much he wants to get 3000 hits. its slipping away from him as we speak.

  31. Erin February 20th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Yeah, I’d say this is probably it for #42.

    Not unexpected, but still unbelievably depressing. :( :(

  32. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    I cried during Posada’s retirement ceremony so theoretically I should hold up just fine for Mo. I have prepared myself and I know what to expect. THEORETICALLY.

  33. pat February 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    AJ money was already spent…..

    JimBowdenESPNxm
    Cashman told us that the Yanks will save $13m in Burnett deal plus $1m in insurance plus luxury tax savings but already spent $10m on Kuroda

  34. GreenBeret7 February 20th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    After a one car accident today, things aren’t getting any better for Atlanta’s Tommy Hanson.

    MLB MLB
    Braves RHP Tommy Hanson treated for potential concussion after car accident in Florida … http://atmlb.com/yUSxsm

  35. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    “So yes… why not?”

    stuckey-

    it was when carl taylor, the yankee bullpen catcher and #1 bp pitcher was trying to raise my arm angle and having me throwing as hard as i could about 45 feet from him. we were throwing before spring training to get his arm in shape for the season.

    he was getting pissed because i wasn’t airing it out. he finally taunted with “you think i can catch mariano rivera and i can’t catch you?”.

    ————————————-
    ” Should the Yankees use the next 6 weeks to learn more about Michael Pineda as a person, a ballplayer and the state of his CU before punching his ticket for a demotion to AAA?

    Yes or no?”

    no, they should tell him now he’s going to scranton, so he could start working non stop on the change up. otherwise he’ll be working on getting ready to start the season with the yankees. that’s a different thing than simply learning a new pitch.

    this must have been 93 or 94 and i didn’t know who rivera was. i soon found out.

  36. m February 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    tucker,

    You made some good points there.

    I still don’t think his shoulder injury was a result of being “soft”, “out of shape”, or 8 lbs overweight.

  37. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Not sure how the draft pool was calculated. But the Yankees have just $4.2M to spend. But the Angels only have $1.6M.

    Each pick is worth X amount. Your total pool is for all picks rounds 1-10 (including extra picks from FA signings), add up what each pick is worth. Angels surrendered a lot of picks signing CJ Wilson & Pujols.

    Its a dumb system.

  38. pat February 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    JimBowdenESPNxm
    Brian Cashman told us @Mlbnetworkradio that Phil Hughes is healthy and he expects him to be at the top of their rotation this year

    Brian Cashman just told us @mlbnetworkradio that he’d like to bring Eric Chavez back to the Yankees. Cashman said that it’s possible he gets Chavez signed but not probable…all depends if he accepts what he can offer…

  39. Ys Guy February 20th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    the giants have decided to instruct buster posey not to block the plate on plays at home.

    “Bochy plans to take a conservative approach with his catcher going forward, including not having Posey block the plate when a player is trying to score.

    “I’ll take this out of Buster’s hands,” Bochy told reporters Sunday. “As a manager, that’s my job. I certainly don’t want people to think he’s backing off on his own. It’s something we’ll work on with him this spring.”

    Bochy, a former catcher himself, wants Posey to be “defensive” about his body while still attempting to tag out runners at home plate.

    “I’ve already talked to Buster about this. There are ways to make the tag without putting yourself in jeopardy,” Bochy said”

  40. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Went out to my car to listen to Cashman talk, I shoulda known better as Cash just talks in circles. Said they wanted a player who can play defense to give Girardi more options in the lineup for the LHB DH, so thats why they went with Ibanez. Said the savings for Burnett are 13 million + 1 million from an insurance premium that they no longer need with him off the team and 40% of the 13 million in luxury tax. Hal extended the budget by 10 million for Kuroda so the savings from this year went right into that Kuroda extension. Talked like Hughes is going to be in the rotation. He said he expects Hughes to pitch closer to the front of the rotation than the back if healthy. Seems like the only thing stopping Hughes from pitching as a starter is health through ST.

  41. Nick in SF February 20th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Other than “He does dumb stuff,” is there any good explanation for why Manny retired last season rather than serving his suspension then?

    Wouldn’t he be better off now if he’d done his time last year?

  42. Triple Short of a Cycle February 20th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    If Rivera has made a decision then why not just announce it? If he doesn’t want it to become a distraction then he shouldn’t have said anything at all

  43. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Said he expects Pineda to have growing pains, prefers players that grow up in the Yankee system because they get a taste of the hype early on and can better adjust when they break into the big leagues.

  44. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    “Brian Cashman told us @Mlbnetworkradio that Phil Hughes is healthy and he expects him to be at the top of their rotation this year”

    That suggests to me that muddling through is not an option for Hughes this season.

  45. GreenBeret7 February 20th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Have you ever seen anything that had become distractiom to Rivera?

  46. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    “Said they wanted a player who can play defense to give Girardi more options in the lineup for the LHB DH”

    I’m not sure why he thinks that a bad defensive option is a viable option.

  47. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    “no, they should tell him now he’s going to scranton, so he could start working non stop on the change up. otherwise he’ll be working on getting ready to start the season with the yankees. that’s a different thing than simply learning a new pitch.”

    Why do you keep saying he has to “learn” a new pitch. Why can’t you acknowledge what everyone knows that he has to improve the pitch?

    Major league pitchers learn on the job as a matter of course. The scenario you’re backing yourself into is Pineda should be ALL change-up all the time, ignoring the fact as a ML pitcher he has to work on a whole host of other things to get himself ready or ANY season?

    And again, Montero didn’t seem to mentally handle being sent to AAA again last year very well. Can you acknowledge by trying to protect his psyche your recommended course of action could have detrimental effects as well?

    “this must have been 93 or 94 and i didn’t know who rivera was. i soon found out.”

    Okay, the point of this story is..?

  48. blake February 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    “Said he expects Pineda to have growing pains, prefers players that grow up in the Yankee system because they get a taste of the hype early on and can better adjust when they break into the big leagues.”

    Then why did he trade one of those? I like Cash but they shouldn’t let him talk much to the media. He’s gotten to where he just says whatever….

  49. Best To Ever Do It February 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    @Mlbnetworkradio that Phil Hughes is healthy and he expects him to be at the top of their rotation this year

    ————————————

    Here we go again

  50. Erin February 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    RealMichaelKay We open the Michael Kay show with Yankee GM Brian Cashman at 3 pm. Listen at ESPNnewyork.

  51. Irreverent Discourse February 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Pineda has to learn how to throw his change-up BETTER, he doesn’t have to learn how to throw one.

    His change already moves and looks good, he just can’t locate it. It will come with use. There is zero reason to send him to AAA when he can dominate with the pitches he has already.

    Pineda is going to be very good for a very long time if he stays healthy.

  52. Irreverent Discourse February 20th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    blake – Because the second half of that quote is him talking about how montero still needed just as much work. Everyone leaves that part out because it helps their anti-cashman nonsense.

  53. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    JimBowdenESPNxm

    Brian Cashman told us @Mlbnetworkradio that Phil Hughes is healthy and he expects him to be at the top of their rotation this year

    *******

    That’s fine Phil…I’m sure your teammates in Scranton would be thrilled about that. But what about aiming for the bottom of the Yankees rotation instead?

  54. Bret The Hitman February 20th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    my bad. That was Cashman pumping up his merchandise.

    Nice.

  55. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    That’s fine Phil…I’m sure your teammates in Scranton would be thrilled about that. But what about aiming for the bottom of the Yankees rotation instead?

    I get you’re just joking, but Cashman said he expects Phil to be at the top of their (cashman’s) rotation. Which is obviously the major league one.

  56. mick February 20th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    the beauty of this is that we are going to be seeing quickly what pineda can do. because of these debates we will all be watching with a microscope every change up pineda throws.
    that’s a bad thing ?
    =======================
    whoever said this is mighty full of themself
    any guesses who it might be?

  57. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    “Then why did he trade one of those? ”

    Your question doesn’t really make sense Blake, what does trading Montero for Pineda have to do with expecting young players to have growing pains.

    Nothing he said suggests the Yankees weren’t willing to let Montero have growing pains.

    They just traded him for a player they like better.

  58. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Because the second half of that quote is him talking about how montero still needed just as much work. Everyone leaves that part out because it helps their anti-cashman nonsense.

    No he didn’t say anything about Montero. This just happened right now on the radio.

  59. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    “That was Cashman pumping up his merchandise.”

    Serious question: if trades were suddenly banned would you give up watching baseball?

  60. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Your question doesn’t really make sense Blake, what does trading Montero for Pineda have to do with expecting young players to have growing pains.

    Because in a question about Pineda having growing pains, he went to great lengths to explain that he (Cashman) thinks players coming up in the Yankee system are better prepared for New York and will more easily adapt due to the hype they get early.

  61. tampayank February 20th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    :(

  62. TheStraw February 20th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Need to send Mo off in the style he is accustomed to…with a ring. Nothing else is acceptable, and since I am going to openly bawl, I would prefer to do it after a WS victory.

  63. Bronx Jeers February 20th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    “I let a few too many people tinker with me, maybe,” Burnett said. “When you let that happen, you start doubting yourself sometimes. You wonder, ‘Am I doing it right? Is this how it’s supposed to feel?’ and things like that. In ’09, nobody messed with me. I was able to do what I wanted to do on the mound, whether it was turn around, close my eyes and pitch upside down. Then you have a few bad games and you start changing and listening.”

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....r-new-york

  64. Nick in SF February 20th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    If Phil starts at the “top” of the rotation — which means what in this context? 2 or 3? — then LGY should pay an extra $5 to Pat M.

  65. tucker February 20th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Eight pounds — or whatever it was — may not make much difference. But I expect his body fat is much lower this year, or at least it appears so based on the pictures we have seen. That should help him sustain his velocity beyond a couple of innings.

  66. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    People are going to kill AJ for those comments, but I’m fine with them. He wants to delineate his new york experience and suggest to pittsburg that he can change and be better if he just sticks with what he believes in.

  67. TheStraw February 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    AJ’s comments since leaving reveal a lot about why he is such a head case on the mound. He simply cannot filter out all the external stuff. If Mo could only teach an iota of that trait to other pitchers on this staff before he leaves….

  68. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    I’m fine with them too. He has to get his mindset right to re-establish himself.

  69. Nick in SF February 20th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Tinker, Tailor, Chucker, AJ

  70. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    “Because in a question about Pineda having growing pains, he went to great lengths to explain that he (Cashman) thinks players coming up in the Yankee system are better prepared for New York and will more easily adapt due to the hype they get early.”

    Still not seeing it (genuinely).

    Is this an argument for never trading a young player from the Yankee system for a player in another system?

  71. Irreverent Discourse February 20th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Answering one question is not “going to great lengths”.

    If they ask him that question every day for a week and his answers get more elaborate then… sure… if he bring it up unsolicited in an interview? Sure.

    He was asked a question and answered it. People get upset when he says too much, other people get upset when he says too little or is “lying to us”…

    It’s a mad-house in here.

  72. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Is this an argument for never trading a young player from the Yankee system for a player in another system?

    If you have 2 potentially great players, and you think those from the system have an inside track on adjusting and reaching their potential in new york, why take the risk?

  73. Irreverent Discourse February 20th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    why take the risk?

    What don’t we know about either Montero or Pineda that he did take that risk? A risk he seems to be fully aware of. That’s what you should be asking yourself…

  74. yankeefeminista February 20th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

  75. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    “He was asked a question and answered it. People get upset when he says too much, other people get upset when he says too little or is “lying to us”…”

    I don’t care what he says. I only care about what he does.

  76. TheStraw February 20th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Cash took the risk because he knew the Yankees could not compete for a title either this year or in the future without starting pitching. He did want to trade Montero, but had to bring back the best potential present and future starter he could for the best trade chip he had to offer. I don’t really understand all the hand wringing around here over this deal. What good is scoring runs if you have a lack of pitching?

  77. Erin February 20th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Nick in SF February 20th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
    Tinker, Tailor, Chucker, AJ

    ********************

    Nice. :lol:

  78. randy l. February 20th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    “this must have been 93 or 94 and i didn’t know who rivera was. i soon found out.”

    Okay, the point of this story is..?”

    no real point except it’s interesting to me how many people think i’m just pulling stuff out of the blue when i talk about developing pitchers.

    i’ve worked with some pretty good young pitchers. i know how much time it took for them to do something new.

    most people have little ability to learn a new athletic skill. i’m the same way in music. it would be a waste to give me music lessons. i’d still be bad.

    but i really get the feeling on this blog that people think they understand how to acquire a new athletic skill. i don’t get the feeling they have a clue how hard it is to do it.

    it takes time and dedication, and most times you go backwards before you go forward. pitching for the yankees in yankee stadium is not the place to go backwards.

  79. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    “If you have 2 potentially great players, and you think those from the system have an inside track on adjusting and reaching their potential in new york, why take the risk?”

    As much as you won’t like this JF, that’s a question based on subjective math.

    You’re assuming in the Yankees eyes Montero and Pineda were very close, and what Cashman describes should have either negated whatever differences existed (in their eyes) or put Montero in front.

    And I understand the trap answer that exists here. If I dare suggest maybe the Yankees might have regarded Pineda well ahead of Montero, then the answer comes back well then that speaks to their judgment.

    But regardless, we have NO idea what factors were in play here, and what Pineda’s and Montero’s respective “scores” were with the Yankees. Suggesting Cashman’s remarks are contradictory or illogical in light of the trade is assuming a BUNCH of stuff no of us can possibly know.

    This I think is the route of my “alien” nature in comparison to many of you. I can’t pretend to know things I don’t just to excuse wanting to discuss a favorite topic.

    Neither one of us knows why Montero was really traded. I can’t turn off that system so I can feel like I’m having an informed conversation when I’m not.

    Sorry.

  80. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Cash took the risk because he knew the Yankees could not compete for a title either this year or in the future without starting pitching.

    What good is scoring runs if you have a lack of pitching?

    I think you mean without ‘good/great’ starting pitching, but using the stuckey brand of pointing out past history the Yankees have made the playoffs every year without great starting pitching and the playoffs are a crapshoot.

    I think it is interesting that Cashman would say what he did after the trade. He has been doing everything in his power to paint the Yankees as losers in the trade (and they can win while still losing the trade). Maybe he is trying to counterbalance the media position that the Yankees really won that trade, he doesn’t want to seem like he is going to fleece someone.

  81. Triple Short of a Cycle February 20th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    What good is scoring runs if you have a lack of pitching?

    —————————————————-

    They lost to Detroit because of their hitting or lack there of.

  82. Bronx Jeers February 20th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Kay thought Nova left last season with a shoulder issue? Does he not cover the Yankees?

  83. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    “Kay thought Nova left last season with a shoulder issue? Does he not cover the Yankees?”

    Like a fingerless glove.

  84. TheStraw February 20th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    JF-

    Probably so…he has a hard enough time swinging deals as it is. Also, he may be trying to simply relieve some of the pressure from Pineda, the same pressure that has done in many a Yankee such as AJ, Ed Whitson, Terry Mulholland, and even Randy Johnson.

  85. Benny Blanco February 20th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Wow, cashman was roomates with Tom Coughlin’s son…

  86. Jerkface February 20th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    You’re assuming in the Yankees eyes Montero and Pineda were very close, and what Cashman describes should have either negated whatever differences existed (in their eyes) or put Montero in front.

    Suggesting Cashman’s remarks are contradictory or illogical in light of the trade is assuming a BUNCH of stuff no of us can possibly know.

    Yes, which is why I didn’t editorialize on it. He could view Montero as being more prepared to face New York, but Pineda as the better potential player regardless. Or it could just be a perceived need. I don’t think Cashman’s statement is definitely illogical or contradictory. I just thought it was interesting that he said that in light of trading the Yankees best hitting prospect in a while.

  87. TheStraw February 20th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Triple-

    I think Cash is well aware that the voodoo he used on the pitching staff last year is all used up….he had to get new starters in here.

  88. Ys Guy February 20th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    cash is going to be on francessa in 5 minutes

  89. Irreverent Discourse February 20th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Maybe he is trying to counterbalance the media position that the Yankees really won that trade, he doesn’t want to seem like he is going to fleece someone.

    jerkface – Certainly possible. I firmly believe Cashman’s media smoke-screen is way better than he gets credit for.

    Theo’s statement about how he and Cashman hadn’t had “a serious conversation” in however many years only speaks to the level of secrecy they really hold on to.

    Nothing gets out there they don’t want to have out there, that much is for sure.

  90. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    “same pressure that has done in many a Yankee such as AJ, Ed Whitson, Terry Mulholland, and even Randy Johnson.”

    RJ was done in by age and injury, not pressure. AJ pitched well in big spots. The others weren’t good.

  91. Triple Short of a Cycle February 20th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    I think Cash is well aware that the voodoo he used on the pitching staff last year is all used up….he had to get new starters in here.

    ————————————————————————————

    I thought that’s what he did with Kuroda? Not only did he trade Montero but this now takes them out of going after Hamels or Cain

  92. Irreverent Discourse February 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    The only pressure Randy Johnson suffered in New York outside of the fluid in his back… was his fear of Posada throwing a chalupa back to him instead of a baseball.

    There are plenty of better examples though, Vazquez being the headliner…

    Rafael Soriano might be added to that list soon if he doesn’t turn it up this year (i fully expect he will be our second best reliever this season).

  93. Erin February 20th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    New Post: Pineda makes a strong first impression in Yankees camp

    :arrow:

  94. Rich in NJ February 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    I don’t think pressure is what did in Vazquez, it was injuries in 2004 and diminished velo in 2010.

  95. stuckey February 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    no real point except it’s interesting to me how many people think i’m just pulling stuff out of the blue when i talk about developing pitchers.

    “it takes time and dedication, and most times you go backwards before you go forward.”

    I don’t necessarily disagree, I just don’t know Michael Pineda well enough to know whetherin terms of his CU, 2011 WAS the backwards.

    Maybe his experiences in the second half of 2011 is enough spur him to dedicated himself to throw it more often. Maybe BEING in Yankees Stadium will serve as the catalyst for him realizing he must become a more well rounded pitcher.

    I’m also acknowledging (which you refuse to do) is that he isn’t learning something brand new.

    The point is, there is SOME validity to the issue you identity, but your solution is cookie cutter. It is not creative. It is suggesting every and any pitcher would benefit equally by a particular course of action. That who Michael Pineda is has NO value in the equation.

    “but i really get the feeling on this blog that people think they understand how to acquire a new athletic skill. i don’t get the feeling they have a clue how hard it is to do it.”

    If I were ever able to learn an above average curveball, I might have played a few more years of baseball than I did. I think I do understand to some degree.

    “no real point except it’s interesting to me how many people think i’m just pulling stuff out of the blue when i talk about developing pitchers.”

    I don’t think that at all. I just know by experience and by your own admission that once you commit to an argument you latch onto it like a dog to a bone and your past history also suggests despite your protests to the contrary, your position on Pineda has everything to do with your position on Cashman and the trade.

  96. CompassRosy February 20th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Irreverent Discourse February 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
    “Pineda has to learn how to throw his change-up BETTER, he doesn’t have to learn how to throw one.”

    ~

    Yep.

    He doesn’t, need a change, that is. His power slider IS a change.

    But he’ll get one, because a changeup isn’t that hard to throw for guys like him.

    He threw a few changeups against Oakland on Sept. 3, nine (9) changeups to be exact, and then told the press that he was delighted with his changeup and that he’d thrown a lot of them. True, the F/X data on it was good — it had sink and 9 inches of armside run.

    Then, on Sept. 10, he threw his changeup once, for a ball. That day, he threw 20 (twenty!!) swinging strikes at the Royals. He got 12 swinging strikes on 43 sliders. Doug Fister gets 12 swinging strikes on 250 anythings.

    CC Sabathia threw fastball-curve as a rookie, and FB-curve only. Then he started mixing changes in his second year, not ’cause he has to, but because he could. Anybody could, with an arm like that.

    http://tinyurl.com/7t4rstw

  97. Jacques Strappe February 20th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Let’s hope Dave Robertson turns out to be the real deal.
    Let’s hope Joba’s operation will resurrect the beast of a reliever he came up to the majors as.
    Let’s hope for a sleeper to come up thru the system … Meyers? Cabral? Miller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
    Or maybe a good starter converting to a closer, assuming there’s a surplus of starters in the first place.
    None will ever be Rivera.
    But whether there’ll be a dominant 9th inning guy or 3-4 good late-inning pitchers after this year,
    Let’s hope the end of the game still belongs to the Yanks bullpen.


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