Second day of workouts in Tampa
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 21, 2012 
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Things are about to get started here in Tampa, a second day of workouts that will be a whole lot like the first. There will be some jogging, some stretching, some throwing and a very little bit of hitting.
“I thought our guys came in in good shape,” Joe Girardi said yesterday. “They were all prepared to go. You try not to get too excited about the way they look on the side, or in their mound sessions. The one thing I told all of them is that you’re not goin to make the team today, (and) you’re not going to make the team in two weeks. This is just a time to get prepared to compete, as spring training goes on.
“But it’s good to be back, and it’s good to hear the crack of the bat.”
Associated Press photos
MTU
With regard to the last thread, the Yankees have had a tension between development and helping the ML club win now. I would guess that Cashman would agree (at least in private, if not in public) that the dual mandate has extracted a cost on his young arms, including Joba and Hughes. Maybe he now has sufficient depth to negate the need to rush guys, as has been done in the past. But for better or worse, Cashman keeps re-upping, so even if he doesn’t like what they have done, he has, in effect, ratified it.
Thanks for the pix Chad!
I especially like the synchronized stretching.
Rich-
I am well aware of the “all hands on deck” mentality as it has existed in certain spheres within the Yankee’s organization.
Mark Newman’s interview last year made that undeniable.
I am on thee record now, as I was then, that I do not agree with it and that I think it is a wrong-headed policy.
It is better IMO not to sacrifice development for expediency.
All I can say is that I hope with their new found depth that the Yankees will no longer feel the need to rush young Pitchers as they may have done in the past.
Nova was not rushed, and I hope the 2B’s won’t be either.
If Pineda happens to need additonal AAA time to develop I hope he gets it.
It would be foolish in the extreme to do otherwise considering they traded away their #1 prospect to obtain him.
He is a very big investment in every sense of the word.
Rich,
That was 3-4 seasons ago. The farm system is in a different place now and Cashman has stated publicly he doesn’t need to rush either Betances or Banuelos.
so that video someone posted on Phil hughes,
he looks leaner, not buff, thats not a diss
Al Iannazzone
D’Antoni said it wasn’t just Carmelo Anthony that was rusty in his return after missing seven games with a groin injury. “The whole team was out of sync,” D’Antoni said. “A lot of times that happens when a guy comes back, you’re just standing around watching him. We just lost what we were doing the last 8 or 9 games. Not his fault or anybody’s fault.”
Cool pictures
YankeesPR Catch @WhiteCollarUSA tonight at 10pm as they try to swipe a Yankee artifact VIDEO: http://tinyurl.com/73rxsk7
MarcCarig Andruw Jones sighting.
Also, I was mistaken with my comments yesterday about pressure as it pertains to Pineda. He is under pressure here, but I think the Yankees are determined to alleviate that pressure as much as possible by tempering the expectations for Pineda in 2012, at least as it pertains to early season expectations. If you listened to Cashman yesterday on WFAN, the Yankees will attempt to ease him along and place other pitchers ahead of him in the pecking order of the rotation with Kuroda, Hughes and Nova.
5 years ago I think the Yankees have have made Banuelos their 5th starter in 2011……
Now (at least on the surface) they seem to better understand the process and balance between winning now and developing young pitchers.
Instead of rushing Banuelos or Betances they are choosing to win now in another way…..by signing Kuroda and Garcia to do that and buy more time for their prospects ……its a good change……and hopefully one that will be rewarded soon.
Pineda does have 400 innings in the minors. It’s not like he’s Joba who went through the system in 4 months.
Blake-
From the outside that’s what it seems like to me as well.
Because of the additional depth they are in a position to be more patient.
Epstein Compensation Deal Is Close
By Tim Dierkes [February 21 at 7:36am CST]
A resolution on the Theo Epstein compensation deal is imminent, reports Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston. Edes’ MLB source says the Red Sox will receive one quality minor leaguer, a legitimate big-league prospect, from the Cubs.
MLBTR
IMO, I think the Yankees learned a valuable lesson with Hughes and Joba. I doubt you’ll see any of these young starters in the bullpen unless they think it’s their future role like DJ Mitchell.
I don’t really get why they get compensation at all.
The deal is done.
They agreed to let Theo go and they did so without a deal in place for what they get in return.
Bad business if you ask me.
“Pineda does have 400 innings in the minors. It’s not like he’s Joba who went through the system in 4 months.”
That’s still just unbelievable to me that at the time they thought 70 minor league innings was enough to prepare him to start in the big leagues…….
I think if they had it to over then they would still have brought him up in the pen in 2007…..but then he would have spent most of 2008 starting at AAA….had they done that then who knows…….maybe they would have already had their #2 and Montero would still be around……
“Pineda does have 400 innings in the minors. It’s not like he’s Joba who went through the system in 4 months.”
But he started at 17, a time when US kids play hs ball, and then many go on to some type of college ball.
Joba really is a special case because of his weight issues in college and some injuries. That’s why he probably needed to be treated extremely carefully.
One year they sent Nova down to work on his stuff.
He came back with a really nice slider in his arsenal.
I’m thinking that if Pineda does happen to struggle ( I hope not) the Yankees might consider doing the same thing with him.
These are different times.
JackCurryYES David Robertson on Mariano Rivera’s potential retirement: “I’ll believe it when I see it.”
MarcCarig “You never know. He might Brett Favre us.” Robertson on Mo
More Robertson on Rivera: “Like I said, I’ll believe it when I see it. You never know. He could Brett Favre us.”
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Nice! A Brett Favre dig….
no way, that would mean Mo going to several different teams
i like the idea of mariano leaving with something left in the tank.
it would be absolutely amazing to have a guy be at his peak his whole career.
Wow!!!!! Jeff Nelson doesn’t think Hughes will win at least 9 games??? That’s just disrespectful
eboland11 Andruw Jones: “I feel great…I’m ready for whatever.” Had left knee scoped in Oct shortly after season. “I feel healthy.”
JackCurryYES When Raul Ibanez officially joins the Yankees, he will be issued number 27.
Those are gonna be some big shoes to fill.
About the size of the Winslow meteor crater.
I’m gonna savor every appearance this year.
Knowing I will never see that level of perfection again.
I agree with blake. I think Jones is ready to grab a full-time role.
Banuelos is going to break out in AAA this season. He’s going to crash the gates. He could pull a Matt Moore this year and make an impact in some huge games.
Could Andruw Jones win LF?
No.
Because GGBG is gonna hit a lot closer to .300 and be a sheer terror on the bases.
“Could Andruw Jones win LF?”
DH
Joba really is a special case because of his weight issues in college and some injuries. That’s why he probably needed to be treated extremely carefully
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And they still thought it was wise to treat his arm like a rubber band.
Jones is too young to be a platoon/bench player……his career took a nose dive way too early because of weight and dedication related issues…..if he’s recommitted himself then its certainly possible that at 34 he could be a comeback story …….and more importantly….be better by himself than a platoon with Ibanez
Epstein Compensation Deal Is Close
By Tim Dierkes [February 21 at 9:15am CST]
9:15am: The Red Sox will receive a pitcher from the Cubs’ 40-man roster, tweets WEEI’s Alex Speier. That’d rule out McNutt.
Interesting
Jones hasn’t played full time anything since 2007.
MTU February 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
One year they sent Nova down to work on his stuff.
He came back with a really nice slider in his arsenal.
I’m thinking that if Pineda does happen to struggle ( I hope not) the Yankees might consider doing the same thing with him.
These are different times.
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Nova was sent down because they had too many starters.
Pineda has an excellent fastball and slider, and Martin said his changeup is good. He already has very good control. He has already pitched a 170 inning major league season.
He is not being sent down to the minors unless he regresses. Talk of this is just foolishness. Randy L’s posts on this subject have reached the point of some kind of ridiculous agenda.
NYPost_Kernan Bill Hall all checked into #Yankees clubhouse, getting hugs from batting coach Kevin Long
“Jones hasn’t played full time anything since 2007.”
Yea but I don’t think that means he can’t anymore…..he checked out mentally for years I think for whatever reason…..
jack-
As long as they protect their investment I do not care what they do.
I’m just Not one for farewell tours. Far too many things can happen over the course of a season, that lead to a change of heart\mind. Plus, I believe the frame of mind is changes when a player believes he is Not gonna return. Mo hasn’t come right out and said anything definite, but his Mind may already come to a conclusion, and the mind has an impact on the body. In Any walk of life, once a person has thought it through thoroughly, and conclusively decided to cease performing their job function, they should Immediately walk-away. NO looking back, NO 2nd thoughts, NO do-overs. Just Thanks to those you respect, and goodbye.
“He is not being sent down to the minors unless he regresses. Talk of this is just foolishness. Randy L’s posts on this subject have reached the point of some kind of ridiculous agenda.
How long would he have to stay at AAA to get an extra year of control
I’m sensing a question posed to Mike Axisa in his Friday mailbag…
Pineda will not be in the minors absent an injury. He pitched 170 quality innings last year in the majors. To suggest otherwise, it pure fantasy.
I guess they are going to sign Chavez. Personally, I am fine with Hall and Laird competing for the back up role at the corners.
Life will be different next year if their is no Mo. If Soriano pitches well, I bet he opts out seeking a longer deal. Madson will also be available, if needed. Maybe Mo will surprise us all, but I think not.
If I coukd send Pineda to AAA for a month to work on his CU and gain an additional year of control……then I would consider that.
It would also give some time to evaluate where Hughes is…..I doubt the Yanks would do it…..but if they are serious about this payroll stuff then they should be considering these things.
“Banuelos is going to break out in AAA this season. He’s going to crash the gates. He could pull a Matt Moore this year and make an impact in some huge games.”
Have you watched Matt Moore? Have you watched Banuelos?
Moore is much, much better with a higher ceiling.
“Moore is much, much better with a higher ceiling”
Did you know that Matt Moore wasn’t Matt Moore when he was Banuelos’s age? He was in A ball and hadn’t taken off yet.
Moore does have a higher ceiling and will likely be the better pitcher because he has better pure stuff……but they so have similarities in arm action and arsenals……actually Banuelos is farther along at his age than Moore was at 20……Moore took off when he showed a jump in command…..hopefully Manny will so the same.
In no way,shape,or form would it be a bad idea to send pineda down to AAA to further develope his changeup.
We still have an extra starter,so if it means pineda goes down for a month or two,and comes back with a much better changeup,i’d do it.
It would give him much more incentive to master it so he get’s back to the majors quickly.
And I actually watched Moore pitch against Banuelos last season……Banuelos didn’t look outclassed at all…..Moore commanded his pitches better and was more aggressive in the strike zone……he’s further developed as he should be because he’s older.
I believe it would be wise to actually watch Pineda throw some ST games before speculating on sending him down and what pitches he should work on. You guys are bored outta your minds and just jackin’ your jaws.
OT, but:
Katz and Wilpon, according to the trustee, structured player contracts to draw out the timing of their payments. They would then invest the money they owed the players with Madoff and make a profit across the many years of the contract payments. That, too, was the vig.
The men, real estate moguls, also invested the excess proceeds from mortgages they refinanced with Madoff’s brokerage operation on the belief that his returns would be greater than their mortgage payments. That was the vig.
Finally, instead of paying disability insurance premiums for key players on the team, the trustee says, Katz and Wilpon put the money into an account — called “Saul’s cookie jar” — to pay injured players. That, as well, was the vig.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2.....money.html
I would only consider sending him down to save the service time….and Id only consider that because the Yanks are so budget conscious these days.
Pineda isn’t being sent down folks. He was SEVENTH among all MLB starters in K/9innings and second among AL starters.
He is a big time talent and definitely major league ready. He will refine his change up in March, April, May………
Trying to manipulate his arbitration eligibility is not something the Yanks have EVER done and it wouldn’t affect his 2014 earning power anyway, it would only affect 2013.
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