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The one spot that’s left

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 22, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A healthy Yankees pitching staff should have Mariano Rivera in the ninth inning, Rafael Soriano and Dave Robertson handling the seventh and eighth, Boone Logan pitching from the left side, Cory Wade navigating some of the middle innings and the loser of the fifth-starter competition available for long relief.

Thats’s six spots in what is assumed to be a seven-man bullpen. As for the last spot? Well, the Yankees always seem to come into spring training considering a second lefty.

“I think you could use it,” Joe Girardi said this afternoon. “(But) you look at our guys in the late innings, you’re probably going to go to them, and you’re not going to worry about the second left-hander, so I don’t think it’s a necessity. But if you get a left-hander that can maybe give you a little distance or that you’re not afraid to use against right-handers, I think it could be valuable.”

Not exactly putting a premium on the lefty specialist, is he?

Rule 5 pick Cesar Cabral is in camp and has a live arm from the left side. Clay Rapada is here on a minor league deal and has held big league lefties to a .153 batting average in his career. Mike O’Connor was a starter as recently as 2009 and has averaged more than an inning per outing his past two years in Triple-A. Juan Cedeno is kind of a great unknown with most of his recent experience coming outside of the United States.

If not a lefty, maybe another multi-inning guy — George Kontos, D.J. Mitchell, Brad Meyers — or someone who becomes this year’s Luis Ayala with a surprising spring training and an out-of-nowhere spot on the Opening Day roster.

As long as everyone stays healthy, this last job in the bullpen would seem to be the only roster spot up for grabs. Ultimately, the Yankees might just choose the guy who’s pitching the best and put him on the roster, whatever the role.

Assocaited Press photo of Cabral

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236 Responses to “The one spot that’s left”

  1. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    phil nevin was a can’t-miss hitting catcher (later turned to 3b). he was the #1 overall pick and had just about the same minor league stats as montero. he turned out to be pretty much nothing. im not saying this is going to happen to montero, but it shows you that sometimes ‘can’t miss’ prospects miss. this goes for pitchers, too.

    there’s no such thing as ‘can’t miss’. most of the montero huggers on this board have him down as ‘can’t miss’

  2. stuckey February 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    “Cashman says every winter pitching is his main priority.”

    “He clearly values it above all else.”

    Is there any empirical evidence to suggest he is wrong to do so?

  3. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    The Yankees have always allocated a lot towards their pitching, they just chose poorly in most cases or got unlucky whichever you’d like.

  4. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    phil nevin was a can’t-miss hitting catcher (later turned to 3b). he was the #1 overall pick and had just about the same minor league stats as montero. he turned out to be pretty much nothing. im not saying this is going to happen to montero, but it shows you that sometimes ‘can’t miss’ prospects miss. this goes for pitchers, too.

    ???? Phil Nevin was 22 when he was drafted and OPS’d under .800 in the PCL. Age matters a lot when it comes to prospects. Age, scouting reports, production, evidence of tools.

    Nevin is nothing like Montero except that he was once in the minor leagues.

  5. CompassRosy February 22nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Yankee Trader says:
    February 22, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    I see where Lou Piniella is joining the Yes team.

    “Hi CompassRosy. The last Mariner to hit 30 homeruns was Russell Branyan in 2009. Who will be the next? Smoak or Montero? Neither?”

    ~

    Hi YT ~
    Sorry for the belated reply (hard to post during work hours these days)

    Anyway…
    knock me over with a feather if there’s a Mariner that hits 30 or more homers this season. But, the way they are talking about Guti, maybe he’s a dark horse candidate … Or Ichi and his new batting stance and order slot.

    ;-)

  6. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    He caught 64 games in the minors, all of them coming after 3 years after he was drafted and already traded to the Tigers.

  7. LGY February 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    I don’t know if they’ve been trying for 3 years, but Monterowas linked to Cliff Lee and someone else (?).

    And ultimately…

    ——–

    Halladay in 2009, Lee 2010, King Felix 2011, Pineda 2012.

  8. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Everyones attempts to analogize Montero to another prospect miss horribly on why Montero is a top rated prospect and why he is so exciting.

  9. stuckey February 22nd, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    I had NO inkling or preference in regards to Montero being traded, up until a month ago I imagined he’d eventually be an important Yankees and looked forward to that day. I wanted then (and I still do) nothing but success for the kid.

    But I remember the smoke, smoke I hoped then and still do was either overblown or something he’d grow out of.

    There was the suspension, which is a VERY confounding step to take for an organization intent on protecting an asset’s trade value.

    I saw more than one comment both from the minor and major league press about his very slow homerun trots. This stands out to me because I’ve never heard anyone comment on a young player doing that before.

    There is the Arod thing.

    And let’s be fair, Bryce Harper is apparently all of the full-of-himself 18 year old he’s made out to be.

    Just because Jesus Montero has really good bat speed and the Yankees theoretically needed him does not mean ANYTHING of these things were invented AFTER the trade.

    They were out there BEFORE the trade and before there was any conception of a trade.

    This is NOT what happened to the Red Sox in the days after losing to Baltimore, where stories began to surface after the fact.

    This was ALL before that fact.

    I don’t know if any or all of it means jack squat. May very well mean nothing.

    But to deny its existence is ignorant and to suggest it all surfaced after the trade is delusional.

  10. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    i think montero looks great, im not knocking the guy, i’m just saying there’s no such thing as ‘can’t miss.’ its a fact.

  11. Tom in N.J. February 22nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    The only thing I could find on Montero’s maturity ‘problem’ is from Mark Newman:

    “The biggest deal for him is maturity. I’ve been doing this a while and I don’t know how you significantly accelerate the maturation process. You can put him around mature people, but he’s got a ways to go in figuring out how this game works and how this world works. He’s bright. I think he’ll eventually get it. The discipline and turmoil that he’s had to deal with is part of the process. You’ve got to deal with stuff. You’ve got to take the training wheels off. That’s what he’s going through.”

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....incart_mce

  12. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Suppose that you have a 20-year-old player and a 21-year-old player of the same ability as hitters; let’s say that each hits about .265 with ten home runs. How much difference is there in the expected career home run totals for the two players?”

    As best I can estimate, the 20-year-old player can be expected to hit about 61% more home runs in his career. That’s right—61%.

    http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=15295

  13. Tom in N.J. February 22nd, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    1994 baseball america top prospects:

    5. Carlos Delgado, c, Blue Jays

    ———————————————————

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 22nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Still company bound so this is just a drive-by to say that the Knicks are the real deal and Jeremy Lin is here to stay.

    Hope all is well.

    :)

  15. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    matt wieters wasl also ‘can’t miss, too. he hasn’t been a bust, but 3 years in, he’s not what people expected offensively.

  16. Tar February 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    “Have you noticed that not one player have even referred to Montero, one way or the other, good or bad? All that was out there was Rodriguez talking about having to get on him about not taking extra hitting/ Seems to say that not many are upset about the deal.”

    GB

    Yeah thanks I have noticed that. Not a lot of “real sorry to see him go” kind of thing.

    Like it or not or even if it’s true or not– Montero not having a great work ethic or make-up, makes everything that doesn’t quite make sense about this trade, make sense.

    Again I am totally speculating-I have no proof.

  17. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    the knicks won a nice game tonight, but you can’t judge anything by that, the hawks were TURRABULL!

  18. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    matt wieters wasl also ‘can’t miss, too. he hasn’t been a bust, but 3 years in, he’s not what people expected offensively.

    Cool another 22 year old draftee.

  19. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock February 22nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    luis,

    I should amend No. 3:

    3). They are besotted with a kind of naive, heroic ideal of pitching and defense be the SOLITARY keys to winning and associate even a great young hitter with a kind of “excess”, not something that can win CLOSE, DEFENSIVE games for you, WHEN YOU NEED THAT KIND OF BAT TO BREAK A TIGHT, CLOSE GAME YOUR WAY, even though their lineup has progressively declined against RHP and could not come up with that illusive big hit.

    ==================================

    I like it even more ……I think Girardi had alot to do with the trade and his love for defensive catcher instead of an offensive one.

  20. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    are you saying that weiters or nevin weren’t considered ‘can’t miss’ ?

  21. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Yeah thanks I have noticed that. Not a lot of “real sorry to see him go” kind of thing.

    I don’t think this means anything. Montero wasn’t an established big leaguer. No one said they were sorry to see Austin Jackson leave.

  22. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    I still think someone we may not expect will force his way on to the roster.

  23. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    i don’t put anything on the fact that nobody seems to miss the guy. it really doesnt mean anything, some guys are popular as soon as they start mixing with the major leaguers, others aren’t. i dont think it necessarily says anything about what they become, or even whether they turn out to be nice guys or aholes.

  24. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    “I don’t think this means anything.”

    Neither do I. It’s an incredible reach to think otherwise.

  25. blake February 22nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    “I still think someone we may not expect will force his way on to the roster.”

    Don’t tell me Mitre is back again

  26. austinmac February 22nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    I think almost all of us are sorry to see Montero get traded irrespective of Pineda. It is no shock if a 20 year old acts immature. It is not something a worry about. I was young and have raised two sons. Maturity takes time.

    However, the canonization of him as a sure thing is still over the top. He is a very good hitting prospect. Some become great, some good and some neither. No one ever truly knows as baseball and life have many pitfalls.

    Don’t misunderstand that view as I was really looking forward to watching him develop.

  27. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    “Don’t tell me Mitre is back again”

    Back sleeping on Girardi’s couch? ;)

  28. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    are you saying that weiters or nevin weren’t considered ‘can’t miss’ ?

    I’m saying either of those guys being ‘can’t miss’ or not has nothing to do with Montero who is younger with more PA than either of those guy and more development time. And arguably better tools when it comes to hitting. Lots of guys will be rated highly, higher than Montero or high in general, based on having a more complete skill set. Wieters is already a tremendous catcher defensively who is lauded for his ability to handle a staff. he has certainly ‘hit’ on that portion of his game.

    Find a teenager that was drafted and whose only tools were hitting and which carried him to a top 5 on a 100 list. Montero stands out because he rose to the top of these prospect lists purely on his bat, he has no defense or speed and an iffy position.

    He could bust, it is always a possibility, but continuing to compare him to these college players that are entering the minor league system at ages older than Montero is right now is just completely missing the point of age relative to league and montero’s tools.

  29. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    “However, the canonization of him as a sure thing is still over the top”

    I’m not sure why people keep bringing him up, but that’s not it at all.

    As I mentioned earlier today (when someone else brought him up), he’s the only potential insurance they have in the organization should they need an impact offensive bat. That doesn’t mean he will be that, only that they have no one else who possibly can be for something like three more years.

  30. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    i’m with austin. i expect montero to be really really good, i was just pointing out how guys who seem like they can’t miss miss.

    i just think the whole thing comes down to cashman and co thinking pineda will contribute more to the yankees than montero. im sure they all think montero will be very good, too.

    there doesn’t have to be a bad guy, or winners or losers in this trade. hopefully they both turn out great and both organizations are very happy with what they did.

  31. Tar February 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    “i don’t put anything on the fact that nobody seems to miss the guy.”

    Taken by itself it doesn’t mean much. But add it up with the suspension and some of the whispers and maybe you have something. I would think it would have to go beyond being immature or just a jerk. It would have to involve make-up or work ethic.

    Can anybody show me a link where some of his team-mates say what a great guy and hard worker he is?

  32. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Tar,

    Like you, I have no idea what went on in that clubhouse with Montero. That group never publically knocks anybody, regardless of the team. They just don’t say anything. It might annoy the writers and the fans, but, that’s how they are. If they had issues with Montero, nobody will ever find out. I just thought the non-comments about him (pro and con), somewhat telling and surprising.

  33. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    i dont have to find any teenager or anybody else to confirm the point i was making, which was that guys who are considered ‘can’t miss’ sometimes miss. what age they were drafted at doesnt change the point.

  34. austinmac February 22nd, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Rich,

    I don’t disagree at all that he was the only offensive prospect in sight. He will be missed.

  35. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    i dont have to find any teenager or anybody else to confirm the point i was making, which was that guys who are considered ‘can’t miss’ sometimes miss. what age they were drafted at doesnt change the point.

    How astute, prospects bust sometimes (all the times)?

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock February 22nd, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
    i think montero looks great, im not knocking the guy, i’m just saying there’s no such thing as ‘can’t miss.’ its a fact.
    ///

    He’s as close as you’re going to get. They guy’s got it; his only “fault” is that his career hasn’t happened yet. Let’s put it in other terms, when I first saw Cano swing, I called up my friend and said, we’ve got a great hitter in our midst, here. How do you define greatness? You know it when you see it. Whatever. You’ll see for yourselves.

    YsGuy, Wieters is not in Montero’s class as a hitter.

    Hittin’ the road. luis!!! You’re the best. G’nite.

  37. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    GB7,

    For the record, i don’t take it personally, it’s just that i see a trend that seems unfair, look what they said on kennedy, Tabata and more recently to Montero ( I’m talking about the media sweeny murti for example ). But you are right about moving on though

  38. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Tar

    You know who has been called immature and a jerk throughout his career? A-Rod. Teammates may not miss his personality when he leaves, but they sure miss his bat (and in his case, glove).

  39. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Good night Pruff, take care

  40. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    “Have you noticed that not one player have even referred to Montero, one way or the other, good or bad? All that was out there was Rodriguez talking about having to get on him about not taking extra hitting/ Seems to say that not many are upset about the deal.”

    Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but that story about Arod getting on Montero about the extra BP wasnt put out by Arod, it was put out by Montero shortly after the trade in an interview in Seattle.

    I can’t tell you the precise context, but it was probably about one of the lessons Montero learned about the value of hard work from a teammate with a legendary work ethic, not an example of Montero being lazy, a slacker, or whatever.

    Unless I’m mixed up and Arod or the Yankees put this story out, I don’t think it’s a good example to use of the Yanks trashing a player after he leaves, unless someone used INCEPTION to get Montero to tell it himself once he was traded.

  41. Tar February 22nd, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    “You know who has been called immature and a jerk throughout his career?”

    Rich

    Good point– which is why I think with Montero the Yankees may think it goes beyond that. More about work his work ethic and and make-up.

    I remember the team telling him to not play winter ball and make sure he comes to camp in shape. I wonder how hard he worked this off-season?

  42. Triple Short of a Cycle February 22nd, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Like you, I have no idea what went on in that clubhouse with Montero. That group never publically knocks anybody, regardless of the team. They just don’t say anything. It might annoy the writers and the fans, but, that’s how they are. If they had issues with Montero, nobody will ever find out.
    ————————————————————————-

    Unless Joe Torre writes another book

  43. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Why would any of the major league players care about a guy that isn’t part of their group yet? Did anyone ask them about Montero? Did anyone even say “Are you going to miss Montero?” Of course they will say stuff about Burnett. He was there for 3 years and they are being asked about the trade specifically in regards to Burnett.

  44. yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....witterfeed

    Girardi denies tanking it regarding winning division in 2010.

  45. yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Also the Montero-Pineda trade was made on Jan. 14th when the players were not yet congregated together, and there were no reporters around to ask them about Montero…why would we hear anything about player views on Montero being dealt?

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock February 22nd, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    I just thought the non-comments about him (pro and con), somewhat telling and surprising.
    ///

    Why are you trying to start a fire about this? There’s no time to build a relationship with a guy in the time he was here. Betances said he hoped Montero would be catching him for years to come, well he played with the guy for a good while. He seems to be fond of Romine, too, incidentally.

    They won a championship with AJ, plus they “traded” him recently. Montero deal was made in January. Has any reporter even asked players about him? I doubt it.

    I’m hoping we can re-sign this guy in what is it? Six years? I’m hoping he wants to come back, not out of sentiment, but because he can monster the joint and put up unreal numbers, and that his agent talks him out of extending with the Mariners.

    I would really like to see the trash talking about him cease. Don’t want it to give the kid some kind of hate for the Yankees. That would be a shame, especially if it’s destiny that he wear pinstripes again.

  47. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Tar

    Apart from finances and getting under the $189m threshold, my surmise continues to be that Girardi was unwilling to finish off his development at C. Cashman wasn’t about to fire Girardi or force him to use him, so he got the best pitcher (in his opinion) that he could for him.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

  48. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Tabaya earned his trip out of the organization. His personal life was/is a mess and it became a real issue in Tampa. It wasn’t too bad in Charleston, but, Tyson stayed on those kids hard. Another problem was with all of his talent, he never improved.

  49. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Nick,

    That story came up last season if i’m not mistaken. It was on the same lines about Arod taking Cano under his wing to teach him situational hitting. Yhe only thing that came up from that story is that Arod is one hell of a mentor and the willingness to learn from both Cano and Montero.

  50. Tar February 22nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    “I would really like to see the trash talking about him cease.”

    Alfred

    I am speculating on reasons why the Yankees would trade him. Just like you have done yourself.

    Just because the reasons may be distasteful, doesn’t mean they may not be valid.

  51. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    GB7,

    You are right about Tabata. I was just pointing out about the generalization

  52. Bronx Jeers February 22nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Girardi denies tanking it regarding winning division in 2010.

    ———————————————

    Joe’s just a weird guy.

  53. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Rich,

    You bring a very compelling reason

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock February 22nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    JF, YF, agree.

    luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:37 pm
    luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm
    GB7,

    For the record, i don’t take it personally, it’s just that i see a trend that seems unfair, look what they said on kennedy, Tabata and more recently to Montero ( I’m talking about the media sweeny murti for example ). But you are right about moving on though
    ///

    Sweeny murti doesn’t say anything unless the Yankees want him to. I thought Kennedy was more of a fan thing. Newman and Aldred still talk up Kennedy, what a good kid he is, smart pitcher, etc. Tabata did exhibit some odd behavior, although I would have still wanted them to try again with him, because of the bat. I am really hoping this business of Montero’s character stops being brought up, whomever is responsible. I do want a shot at re-signing this kid. I do, I do, I do. He was supposed to be a Yankee, he should still be a Yankee, and if he can be a Yankee again, let that happen.

    Goodnight all.

  55. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Tar,

    In my case, i know you are especulating. But there is a tendency from the media to trash prospects after they are dealt, and is important to make them feel welcome, we never know if we are going to have a chance to have him back on Pinstripes in the future.

  56. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Is it just too sacrilegious to include “they thought it made good baseball sense” in the list of possible reasons they traded Montero?

    Is that just waaaaaaaaaaay too far out there?

  57. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Montero spent the last two ST with NY. The only two players he seemed to have a relationship with were Rodriguez and Posada. I don’t know what players are asked what? I find it difficult to believe that none were asked about the trade or about Montero. This is the NY media we’re talking about.

    I’ve said often that I hate the trade, but, I can understand it. I was looking forward to watching him hit. Now, I look forward to watch Pineda pitch.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock February 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Tar February 22nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
    “I would really like to see the trash talking about him cease.”

    Alfred

    I am speculating on reasons why the Yankees would trade him. Just like you have done yourself.

    Just because the reasons may be distasteful, doesn’t mean they may not be valid.
    ///

    Tar, I’d never accuse you of taking pot shots at Montero, nor GB7. But there’s nothing solid out there to indicate any of this stuff is true. So why indulge in it? It’s mean spirited. He’s 22 years old. He didn’t ask to be traded. The last time I saw him interviewed, when he was still a Yankee, he looked around and said:
    “This is MY house.” Maybe some don’t like that kind of hubris. I loved it. Because it was going to be his house, alright. He’s a confident kid who has the stick to back it up. Nothing wrong with that.

  59. yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Seems like the Latin players are always the ones who get fingered as lacking a work ethic, but in those cases where that appears to be legitimate, maybe it is merely a cultural difference/learning adjustment.

  60. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    I am speculating on reasons why the Yankees would trade him. Just like you have done yourself.

    It is a possibility, but you’re reaching when it comes to evidence. He got suspended for not running out a ground ball, which happens about a dozen times every day in the majors. Lord knows how often with someone who is slow as hell like Montero.

    Here is what Donnie Collins has to say from AAA:

    But every time I ask about Montero’s offense, I’m told he’s working everyday with Butch Wynegar in the batting cage. And every time I ask about his defense, they say he works with Wynegar and Julio Mosquera and has made strides.

    He’s 20. And 20 year olds who have extraordinary talent aren’t often the hardest workers. But I’ve heard both sides on him. I’ve heard rumors that he doesn’t work hard, and I’ve been told first hand that he’s trying his best. I take it all with a grain of salt.

  61. Tar February 22nd, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Rich

    Valid reasons.. but not enough to ship that bat out IMO.

    Now add the distasteful stuff, and you may have soup.

    In fact none of the other reasons are enough by themselves. Add the distasteful stuff and voila sense is made.

  62. NYYanksFan February 22nd, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    “Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but that story about Arod getting on Montero about the extra BP wasnt put out by Arod, it was put out by Montero shortly after the trade in an interview in Seattle. ”

    You are not wrong. Montero told the story to the Seattle writers.

  63. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Montero spent the last two ST with NY.

    So have a lot of prospects, even guys who got traded. I think its fairly obvious that the questions were not posed, because there are no comments on it.

    From every baseball interview ever, I’m confident if a reporter asked a player about jesus montero they would say some platitude about him and then talk about they wish him success but hey that guy we got from the mariners is really good.

    What player is going to say the trade is bad?

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock February 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    I’ve said often that I hate the trade, but, I can understand it. I was looking forward to watching him hit. Now, I look forward to watch Pineda pitch.
    ///

    Why wouldn’t one look forward to watching a guy like that pitch? Hey – I’ve got the package, and I’m still looking forward to watch Montero hit. He was in the organization for six years. We waited for him, hoped for him, made road trips to see him, and he finally arrived and he even trumped the high expectations. No one’s snapping their fingers and telling me to “get over it.” I’ll grieve as long as I please.

  65. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    re: joe denies tanking it…

    i think joe doesn’t want to let the players who did play when the rested the regulars feel like they weren’t in there to win or that the team doesn’t think it can win with them in there. he’s just being a little over-cautious. thats actually a good trait in a manager, he doesn’t see any upside to saying they tanked, and does see a downside, so he’s staying on the safe side. thas what joe does.

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock February 22nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
    Seems like the Latin players are always the ones who get fingered as lacking a work ethic, but in those cases where that appears to be legitimate, maybe it is merely a cultural difference/learning adjustment.
    ///

    Tony Pena for manager :D.

  67. NYYanksFan February 22nd, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    “Sweeny murti doesn’t say anything unless the Yankees want him to.”

    Why? He works for FAN and SNY which are the Mets radio and TV stations.

  68. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Tar

    Recall what Cashman said going into the offseason:

    1) Pitching holds the keys to the kingdom.
    2) He was willing to sacrifice offense for pitching.

    Now, I thought that meant Swisher or Gardner and some stuff for a ML starter, and maybe he tried to do that, or maybe he really believes the pitching wins nonsense and was willing to give up anything to get it, and the only thing people wanted was Montero.

  69. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Nick in SF February 22nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
    Is it just too sacrilegious to include “they thought it made good baseball sense” in the list of possible reasons they traded Montero?

    Is that just waaaaaaaaaaay too far out there?

    =================================

    I can understand the logic of it. Trisha and Irreverent Discourse made very compelling cases about the trade a few days ago. But if you read the previous thread, the discussion was about how to keep the team competitive by 2014 with a payroll under 189 mil. The more it was discussed the more i realized that the best way to have done that was to keep Montero and let the pitching prospects pan out, so on top of the reasons i previously had about not liking the trade i got another one….then Tar especulated that maybe it was a character flaw that the front office didn’t liked, so the conversation went that way.

    So the more i listen the more convinced i am the it was a bad trade, but as many have said before is time to move on….

  70. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    “Sweeny murti doesn’t say anything unless the Yankees want him to.”

    He’s the anti-Joel Sherman. I don’t even bother listening to his Yankee reports. He’s like Pravda for the old USSR.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock February 22nd, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Nick in SF February 22nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
    Is it just too sacrilegious to include “they thought it made good baseball sense” in the list of possible reasons they traded Montero?

    Is that just waaaaaaaaaaay too far out there?
    ///

    I said, by their thinking, it made sense. To them. To me, it makes none.

    I’m out, goodnight.

  72. Bronx Jeers February 22nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    I look forward to watching Pineda’s right foot land 2 feet from where it started.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock February 22nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
    “Sweeny murti doesn’t say anything unless the Yankees want him to.”

    He’s the anti-Joel Sherman. I don’t even bother listening to his Yankee reports. He’s like Pravda for the old USSR.
    ///

    LOL. He is. Hey, remember the old “in izvestia there is no pravda, and in pravda their is no izvestia.”??

    Goodnight, guys.

    I will pray that Sanchez remains a Yankee, before turning in.

  74. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Had Hughes progressed from ’10 to ’11 and no injuries to him, Warren and Phelps last year that set them back, that trade would never have been made. It wasn’t Cashman or Girardi that made that trade, it was an organization trade made to bolster the rotation now and in the future.

  75. Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    obviously he doesnt work for the team,( although he does work for cbs who owns the right to both the yankees and mets) but murti echoes the ‘company line’ at all times. he never strays from the script or deviates into his own opinions, its always whatever the team thinks. he does’t ever give you anything you couldn’t get on yankees.com.

    all that access and nothing of value.

  76. Tar February 22nd, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    For me it’s the missing piece of the puzzle. It’s the only thing that makes it sensible.

    Thanks for the cordial discussion. I’m dropping it now.

  77. NYYanksFan February 22nd, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Excluding Chad, who’s the best Yankee beat writer?

  78. yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Murti has zero connections and zero players talk to him. Murti is benign as they come.

  79. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
    Seems like the Latin players are always the ones who get fingered as lacking a work ethic, but in those cases where that appears to be legitimate, maybe it is merely a cultural difference/learning adjustment.

    ===============================

    Very good point, we are loud ,we carry our hearts in the sleeve and mostly we are very easy going so that could be mistaken for lack of interest, but nothing further from the truth than that. But i have to point out that, since most of the players ( from Venezuela at least ) come from very poor origins, they may not have the proper foundations or values, so they have trouble handling the fame and money that comes from becoming an MLB player, hence the personal or actitude problems

  80. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    Sherman is nothing special. He’s as relevant to me as Jon Heyman or Pete Abraham or that crew of idiots with the Post.

  81. Bronx Jeers February 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Excluding Chad, who’s the best Yankee beat writer?

    —————————————————————————————–

    Who knows? Does anybody actually read any of the other guys?

  82. Stoneburner February 22nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Montero could be another Miggy – but he could very well be another Delmon Young. There is no such thing as the can’t miss prospect. Just have to wait and see. One thing I know right now – I am excited to see what Pineda does in the coming years and seeing how Campos develops. . . .

  83. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    NYYanksFan February 22nd, 2012 at 11:15 pm
    Excluding Chad, who’s the best Yankee beat writer?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    None of them. They’re all tied for last place.

  84. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Sherman is nothing special.

    He often has Yankee scoops and inside info on what the team is doing, hardly ‘nothing special’.

  85. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Sherman couldn’t scoop ice cream. He’s a punk, just like the rest of the NY writers….including abraham.

  86. Best To Ever Do It February 22nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    I’m hoping we can re-sign this guy in what is it? Six years? I’m hoping he wants to come back, not out of sentiment, but because he can monster the joint and put up unreal numbers, and that his agent talks him out of extending with the Mariners.

    I would really like to see the trash talking about him cease. Don’t want it to give the kid some kind of hate for the Yankees. That would be a shame, especially if it’s destiny that he wear pinstripes again.

    ————————————————-

    He might already have some hate for the Yankees. But hate is a strong word maybe he’s just let down. Montero seemed like a guy that bought into the whole Yankee thing.

  87. GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    I get more info from Carig than I do from the rest of the NY writers.

  88. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Best To Ever Do It February 22nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    He must be very disapointed. Down here everybody dreams to become a Yankee one day

  89. Best To Ever Do It February 22nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    GreenBeret7 February 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Had Hughes progressed from ’10 to ’11 and no injuries to him, Warren and Phelps last year that set them back, that trade would never have been made.

    ———————————

    If Hughes and Joba became what Cashman pumped them up to be then the trade would not have been made.

  90. yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Luis, yes, I think the Latin players have more joie de vivre, which is sometimes misinterpreted. For example, Montero used to dance and sing in the batter’s box as he got ready for an AB, but it didn’t mean he wasn’t focused or didn’t care. He just loved to hit, and was in the flow of the game. Ditto, his comments re: Alex, just a spontaneous remark that of course gets blown out of proportion.

  91. yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    I don’t read the Yankee beat writers, except very occasionally as the result of a Lohud link.

  92. Best To Ever Do It February 22nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    luis February 22nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Best To Ever Do It February 22nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    He must be very disapointed. Down here everybody dreams to become a Yankee one day

    ——————————————

    I’m sure there is a part of him that is. Especially playing in NY with guys like Cano, Tex, A-rod, Jeter, etc. That’s when ppl(not JAP) say don’t worry he’ll be back in six yrs I reply pffttt why would he even want to come back to the team that tried to move him for the past 3-4 yrs. *waits for someone to bring up examples of former Yankees being traded and coming back yrs later*

  93. LGY February 22nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Carig? The guy that never breaks any news and spends a lot of his time on twitter making fun of Feisand for his reliance on stats like RBIs or pitcher wins and his aversion to stats like WAR?

    Interesting choice.

  94. Best To Ever Do It February 22nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Did I miss something did Murti say something about Jesus recently?

  95. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    “Ditto, his comments re: Alex, just a spontaneous remark that of course gets blown out of proportion.”

    Yes, by those who are spinning conspiracy theories to explain why he was traded as well as by those who are trashing Montero now that he’s gone.

  96. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Spot on. You knew from his body language that he was confortable in his own skin. There was another prospect you may have heard of…..Jackson Melian, unfortunately he watched his parents get killed right in front of him, he never recovered from that.

  97. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    “why would he even want to come back to the team that tried to move him for the past 3-4 yrs.”

    It might help soothe his pain if the Yankees offered the most money and gave him the best chance to win, which could look attractive after a few years in Seattle.

    But maybe not.

    And the Yankees might not ever want him back.

  98. LGY February 22nd, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Sherman and Curry are definitely the most locked into the organization.

  99. yankeefeminista February 22nd, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    No, Luis I didn’t know about his parents. How awful.

  100. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Best To Ever Do It February 22nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    You never know. i sure hope that one day he wears the Pinstripes again!!!

    About Murti, no he hasn’t say anything lately. But another poster was wondering if Montero had Actitude problems that the FO didn’t like and that forced the trade.

  101. stuckey February 22nd, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Again, its entirely possible any of this has NOTHING to do with why he was traded. It’s entirely possible if there is something there, it could simply be addressed by maturity and/or his bat will be so huge its doesn’t matter.

    But it was there, before the trade, and none of us know what role it played in the trade, if any.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ity-62761/

  102. LGY February 22nd, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    And for whatever reason Cashman likes to go to Wally Matthews when he wants to publicly comment on something.

  103. LGY February 22nd, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Maybe because ESPN.com has the largest audience.

  104. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    YF,

    Yup, coming from or back from a game in a car accident, he was in the team bus and a truck struck the car they were driving in an intersection, right in front of the bus he was riding

  105. Jerkface February 22nd, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Sherman couldn’t scoop ice cream

    Then you’re not paying attention.

  106. Rich in NJ February 22nd, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Cashman also leaks to Olney.

  107. luis February 22nd, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Stuckey,

    He was 20 years old, he thought he was ready, cut him some slack we all have been there at some point in our lives.

  108. Bronx Jeers February 22nd, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    From the mind of the newest Yankee acquisition…

    —————————-

    Burt Reynolds @B_Reynolds24

    I don’t ask for a blow job because the word “job” makes it sound like it’s strenuous physical labor. Instead, I ask for mouth hugs

  109. Best To Ever Do It February 22nd, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Nick in SF February 22nd, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    “why would he even want to come back to the team that tried to move him for the past 3-4 yrs.”

    It might help soothe his pain if the Yankees offered the most money and gave him the best chance to win, which could look attractive after a few years in Seattle.

    But maybe not.

    And the Yankees might not ever want him back.

    —————————————

    True they might not want him back. By that time they might have some slugger at first.

  110. Nick in SF February 22nd, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Hmmmm. Jose Molina used to give AJ eye hugs, but this sounds different.

  111. Best To Ever Do It February 23rd, 2012 at 12:00 am

    luis February 22nd, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Best To Ever Do It February 22nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    You never know. i sure hope that one day he wears the Pinstripes again!!!

    ————————-

    That would be funny if it did happen. Then we’ll hear how they never wanted to trade him lol.

  112. Bronx Jeers February 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Maybe Cashman signed him to be his wingman.

  113. luis February 23rd, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Good night everyone, have a good one

  114. pat February 23rd, 2012 at 12:07 am

    GB

    I enjoy Carig too. Davidoff isn’t a beat writer but I always read him as well.

  115. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 12:12 am

    Davidoff gets scoops.

  116. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 12:17 am

    “He was 20 years old, he thought he was ready, cut him some slack we all have been there at some point in our lives.”

    He gets all the slack he requires from me.

    I’m not passing judgement on Montero, only saying it could be a factor – rightly or wrongly – in the Yankees reason for trading him.

  117. Ruby Wednesday February 23rd, 2012 at 12:25 am

    NYY Beat Writers ? ?

    Feinsand is the big joke, literally. His blog is a ghost town, lucky to get a new post with real time info. maybe once a week. Probably because he is off eating all the time, Hot Dogs, White Castle, Dunkin Donuts, Funnel Cakes. The guy is as big as a house with no time to report on the team anymore.

  118. yankeefeminista February 23rd, 2012 at 12:30 am

    stuckey, you do realize you are basing your hypothesis on a (gulp) hypothesis, not any empirical evidence. Where are the so-called facts you demand from everyone else? Anyway I am going to sleep, but I think you have your work cut out for you. Good night, Yankee fans.

  119. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 12:35 am

    “stuckey, you do realize you are basing your hypothesis on a (gulp) hypothesis, not any empirical evidence. Where are the so-called facts you demand from everyone else?”

    I don’t have a hypothesis, I have an open question.

    You, me and everyone else don’t know why he got traded and I fully acknowledge that it might not be a factor at all.

    I don’t need any facts to support my position NONE of us really know any or all of the reasons Montero was traded – that IS a fact onto itself.

  120. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2012 at 12:36 am

    UVA LaCrosse Player convicted of murder

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....5852.story

  121. UnKnown February 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 am

    I like Carig AND Hate Wally

    Announcers, no one beats Coney! He is the man behind the mic

  122. m February 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 am

    Any disciplinary record might have been a factor. But I doubt it was much of one. I think it was just an old school baseball trade.

    On the one hand, I think it makes little sense to send Montero’s bat away. But on the other hand I can understand why they (IMO) did it. They wanted to get a front end pitcher. They tried (and failed) to get Lee. They tried (and failed) to get Hernandez. Pineda has great potential (not without risks), and that’s what they are banking on. He’s no Lee or Hernandez. But he’s also much younger than Lee and much cheaper than both.

    The baseball world, outside LoHud, likes the trade for the Yankees. So, as much as it hurts to lose Montero’s potential, it’s exciting to think of Pineda’s potential.

  123. Pat M. February 23rd, 2012 at 1:18 am

    m…..I’ve loved this trade since day one…..And in a few years we get to love it all over again when Campos hit’s the Bronx

  124. CompassRosy February 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 am

    Ys Guy February 22nd, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    i just think the whole thing comes down to cashman and co thinking pineda will contribute more to the yankees than montero. im sure they all think montero will be very good, too.

    there doesn’t have to be a bad guy, or winners or losers in this trade. hopefully they both turn out great and both organizations are very happy with what they did.

    ~

    YG ~

    I agree with your sentiments above and truly hope the trade turns out to be a win-win.
    While I suppose it’s possible that there are more sinister reasons for the trade (on BOTH sides) until proven otherwise, I’ll chose to believe the “real” reason for it was simple: Brian C felt the “pitch quantity-challenged” Pineda would help the Yankees more than Montero and Jack Z felt the “lead-mitt” Montero would help the Mariners more than Pineda.

    Go, Jesus! Go, Michael!

    :-)

  125. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2012 at 1:29 am

    Wait, someone with real life baseball knowledge loves this trade? I thought that was verboten around here. But of course Pat M. is one of the people who knew who Pineda was before the trade, so… yeah.

    Pat M, I suggested to LGY that he give you a bonus $5 if Phil Hughes starts the season slotted 2nd or 3drd in the rotation and he agreed. Will you agree to give him a bonus $5 if Hughes is traded before Opening Day? I think you’re getting the better of this whole thing.

  126. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2012 at 1:34 am

    On another subject (I’m in an expansive mood after an excellent night of roundball entertainment purposes), Pat M., here is a local scribe opining on how the Pac 12 will only have itself to blame come tourney time:

    “Here, in 2011-12, the league obviously is not enjoying its finest season. No teams ranked among the Top 25 in the country. No nonconference wins against a Top 25 opponent. Only one nonconference win against a top-50 opponent, based on RPI (Stanford over Colorado State).

    ESPN.com’s “Bubble Watch” on Tuesday listed Cal, Oregon, Washington, Arizona and Colorado all with “work left to do” if they want to reach the NCAA Tournament (which seems reasonable). A media mock selection last week placed Cal as a No. 11 seed in the tournament, with Arizona as the last team invited and a No. 12 seed.

    Cal could land higher, especially if the Bears finish strong. But here’s the reality Pac-12 teams must face 18 days ahead of Selection Sunday: No whining allowed, because they have nobody to blame but themselves.

    This is the risk schools take by scheduling only a few marquee nonconference opponents. Cal had three chances for an impressive non-league victory, and the Bears lost to Missouri by 39, UNLV by 17 and San Diego State by one.”

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....1NAF9C.DTL

  127. Bret The Hitman February 23rd, 2012 at 1:59 am

    19 yr old brittish chic on my jock tonight at the bar. going back next week. holy moly i love america

    gobama i’m drunk

  128. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2012 at 2:10 am

    I look forward to tomorrow’s chapter of Things Bret the Hitman Would Rather Do With His Money Than Pay Me The $25game He’s Owed Me Since December 2010.

    :mad:

  129. Bret The Hitman February 23rd, 2012 at 2:13 am

    nick jesus what is your po i will send it tomorrow cash so we can b friends again u r so sensitive

  130. Pat M. February 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 am

    Nick in SF…..Not a favorable piece on our Pac 12….I will say this, Cal gets to the Sweet 16, and either Washington, UCLA will make a run to win the Tourney at Staples in a few weeks ….2 Schools will get to dance in March……As for the Hughes wager with LGY, I’ll leave things up to him, I also offered him a buyout clause ( 20.00 )……Personally I think The Young Master isn’t going to be slotted in the 5 hole but rather in the 2 or 3 slot………And by the way, thank’s for the kind words regarding trust to Tricia the other day……..Time to start work on my over / unders for the 2012 season

  131. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 am

    31296 SF CA 94131

    Woo hoo!

  132. Bret The Hitman February 23rd, 2012 at 2:16 am

    that’s a long po box

  133. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 am

    Send it with Delivery Confirmation if you’re sending cash, Bret the Hitman, the debt is only considered settled when it’s been received and confirmed.

  134. Bret The Hitman February 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 am

    i wrote it down cash 2morrow. still waiting for the DNA test from that girl from last semester BTW. but maybe i was being too uptight about that

  135. Bret The Hitman February 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 am

    delivery confirmation? how do i do that?

  136. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 am

    PO Box 31296
    San Francisco CA 94131

    That’s the standard format.

  137. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 am

    Delivery Confirmation tracks the letter, you can get it at any post office, maybe at usps.com as well.

  138. Bret The Hitman February 23rd, 2012 at 2:23 am

    i will have it tracked then. I don’t want to send a money order. cash. it’s in my wallet. it’s convenient. been on my to-do list. Don’t make this complicated.

  139. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2012 at 2:26 am

    Tracking is the way to go.

    Feel free to send me love and/or hate mail, everybody else out there. That includes you, curious Taiwan lurkers.

  140. m February 23rd, 2012 at 2:40 am

    The Wanger might join your fan club, Nick. :)

    Bret,

    You might want to consider a change in lifestyle. Will extend your life longer than any diet you follow. :P

  141. Nick in SF February 23rd, 2012 at 2:47 am

    Wang and his fans are all free to write to me, just address it to Nick at the above address.

    That goes for you Kuroda fans reading the blog in Japan, as well. I’m seeing a movie from the great nation of Japan tomorrow night, so of course I’d love to hear from all of you.

  142. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 am

    Rivera on ST

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....um=twitter

  143. GreenBeret7 February 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 am

    Mussina on Rivera’s decision

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....um=twitter

  144. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 6:41 am

    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    Always seeks to fill the empty space.

    No different when there is a vacuum of news on LoHud.

    Right now the void gets filled with the Pineda-Montero trade.

    Eventually we’ll get some actual games to fill the void instead.

    That’ll be good IMO.

    :)

  145. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:00 am

    And for those of you who don’t like getting sick (like me).

    Don’t make the mistake of thinking that a virus makes a quick exit from the scene of the crime.

    They don’t. They can lie dormant for long periods of time waiting to strike.

    I just found that lesson out when I was given a nasty case of the flu 2 weeks after the perpretrator was supposed to be long gone.

    I can’t remember the last time I was sick. I was just reminded once again why I prefer being healthy.

    They say viruses can survive under very extreme conditions. I believe that’s true.

    I find that a very scary thought.

    Maybe it won’t be a nuke that gets us after all.

    Instead a virus.

    P.S. I am almost better now so no worries.

    :)

  146. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:13 am

    HG Wells sure thought so.

    He made the point eloquently in “War of the Worlds”.

    Only in that one it went in our favor.

    And the common cold killed the Aliens.

    Anyone ever see the “Andromeda strain” ?

    That makes the point too.

    One of Michael Creighton’s best ( I hope I spelled his name right).

  147. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 am

    MTU,

    I don’t like movies about diseases….they are pretty much they only thing that scare me.

    Have you been hiking through the flu.

  148. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:18 am

    Blake-

    No. I was a dead Man walking instead.

    Did my best impersonation of a hiberrnating bear.

    ;)

  149. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 7:26 am

    MTU-

    Are you at least wearing a mask so as to not infect us while blogging?
    I also am not a fan of movies like Contagion.

  150. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Joel Sherman Joelsherman1

    @

    Column nyp.st/wQlNGf Andruw Jones doesn’t think he’s Cooperstown worthy yet, but expects to enhance this yr with big numbers Yanekes

    Sounds like some fire has gotten into Andrew

  151. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Trader,

    I haven’t and wont watch Contagion

  152. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Blake-

    From an engineering and physiological perspective the Human body rivals the Universe.

    It is truly a miracle in action.

    I once read that the arterial system alone is equivalent to an awful lot of superhighway at the Macro level.

    The amount of cellular replication and repair that goes on just daily is mind-boggling.

    Over the course of an avg. human lifetime too great too fathom.

    Intelligent design would seem to be evident.

    But hey who really cares, right. How were your Grits this AM ?

    Will Pineda fulfill his promise ?

    :)

  153. upstate kate February 23rd, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Good morning
    Sorry to hear you have been sick MTU.

    I love the reports coming out of Tampa. Glad to hear Nova’s arm is just fine, that Phil is in the BSOHL, and that Martin is impressed w/ Pineda.

  154. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:34 am

    YT-

    You would appear to be safe for now.

    Until your next Conference.

    Get YOUR mask out then.

    ;)

  155. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 7:34 am

    MTU,

    Yea….the human body is remarkable…..no person will ever really understand how it all works……I just don’t like germ movies

    Pineda is gonna be a beast!

  156. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Blake-

    No desire to watch that movie either.

    I’m hoping that Russell Branyan gives Ibanez a run for a spot. I’d like to see some of his power moon shots to right field. He actually came up with the Indians as a 3rd baseman.

  157. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 7:37 am

    “If I have 400 at-bats, I can hit 30 homers and drive in 80 or 90 runs.”

    Jones quote from the Sherman article….easiest place for him to get ABs is to steal then from Ibanez if he struggles

  158. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Kate-

    Thanks. Appreciate the well wishes. I should be back online by the weekend.

    Looking forward to touching that blue sky again and returning to the Cathedral.

    I hope you have fared well this Winter.

    :)

  159. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Pineda is gonna be a beast!
    ——————-
    Blake, Blake, Blake. Why did you have to go and say that? You probably woke up the LoHud beast-Randy l. Now we are going to be subject in 1000 words or more why that statement is false. :)

  160. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:41 am

    YT-

    Pineda may be from the DR but this is America.

    And it is still innocent until proven guilty around here in my book.

    ;)

  161. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:43 am

    The Yankees have made their case

    Randy has made his.

    The jury is still out.

    Time is the true judge.

    ;)

  162. Benny Blanco February 23rd, 2012 at 7:45 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....e2kDFGMoiN

    It seems like andruw jones is focused..

  163. Villa Nova-Ya February 23rd, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Good morning.

    Missed you in the AM the last couple of days, MTU – glad you’re feeling better.

    Gotta love the optimism of Spring! (I hope Jones DOES get those 30 HRs etc!!!!)

    :)

    (I don’t like germ/disease movies either.)

  164. austinmac February 23rd, 2012 at 7:45 am

    MTU,

    You misunderstood something on the Internet going viral. It doesn’t mean you have to get sick.

    I hope you feel better my friend.

  165. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:46 am

    Below is a graphic representation of a Pineda meter :

    Randy ————————————————————————————————Pat M.

    :)

  166. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:47 am

    VN/Mac-

    Much appreciated. Thanks.

    I always miss speaking with you as well.

    :)

  167. austinmac February 23rd, 2012 at 7:48 am

    I must say Jones surprised me last year. I thought he was toast as a relatively young age. It appears he let himself get out of shape. He still has remarkable power. He will hit against all lefties. He wants to play more. Competition is good.

  168. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Mac-

    The fact that Jone’s knee has been repaired probably won’t hurt either.

    ;)

  169. Tom in N.J. February 23rd, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Star Wars is a germ movie.

    The Force is a bacterial infection.

  170. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Andruw Jones is hitting .208 vs righties in the last 3 years. The last time he came close to 30 homers was 26 in 572 ABs in 2007 with the Braves. Bad knees.
    There’s very little chance, unless he finally discovered how to hit off speed stuff from righties that he’ll have enough AB’s to even approach 20 homeruns.

  171. upstate kate February 23rd, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Tom in NJ in CNY

    I prefer the original SW where there was no lame explanation of the Force

  172. austinmac February 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 am

    I can’t remember the last time the Yankees had a young pitcher with Pineda’s upside. Jose Rijo, perhaps? I sure look forward to watching him pitch. Burnett was more painful than Blake’s pain free dentistry.

  173. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Tom-

    It all started with “The Blob”.

  174. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 7:53 am

    “. Now we are going to be subject in 1000 words or more why that statement is false.”

    Im.still waiting for Randy for answer my question from yesterday :)

  175. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Below is a graphic representation of a Pineda meter : MTU-the plus sign is where I feel the Pineda meter will be as a Yankee for many years to come!

    Randy —————————————————————————————— + —Pat M.

  176. randy l. February 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 am

    “Intelligent design would seem to be evident.”

    mtu-

    people on the other side of the question might use this blog as proof against this :)

  177. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Randy-

    :)

    it’s still fun.

    ;)

  178. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Blake-

    I’m afraid to ask, but what question are you awaiting an answer from Randy on?

  179. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 7:58 am

    YT-

    I think it should be called a Pined-A-Meter.

    Seems better doesn’t it ?

    Where I am on the scale depends on just how many Pineda Coladas I’ve had that day.

    ;)

  180. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:00 am

    And whether they have are the result of having been shaken or stirred.

    :)

  181. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:02 am

    I can’t remember the last time the Yankees had a young pitcher with Pineda’s upside.

    ====================================

    For a time, many believed Phil Hughes did.

  182. Best To Ever Do It February 23rd, 2012 at 8:03 am

    austinmac February 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 am

    I can’t remember the last time the Yankees had a young pitcher with Pineda’s upside.

    ——————-

    Chamberlain?

  183. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 am

    “I’m afraid to ask, but what question are you awaiting an answer from Randy on?”

    Which type pitcher he’d rather have…..a young guy that has 4 good but inconsistent pitches and walk issues…..or a young guy with 2 plus pitches whoncan command them both well?

  184. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 am

    If Joba could have stayed healthy he easily had Pineda’s upside and then some.

    :(

  185. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 am

    How did we get on the subject of “Intelligent Design”-a Michelle Bachmann favorite?

  186. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:05 am

    YT-

    I must confess.

    It is all my fault. Blame me.

    :(

  187. Tom in N.J. February 23rd, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Don’t forget just how good Joba was. Before the all the BS he had 4 pitches and elite velocity.

  188. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:07 am

    YT-

    Next they’ll blame me for “deux ex machina”.

    NOT my fault.

    ;)

  189. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Andruw Jones is hitting .208 vs righties in the last 3 years. The last time he came close to 30 homers was 26 in 572 ABs in 2007 with the Braves. Bad knees.
    There’s very little chance, unless he finally discovered how to hit off speed stuff from righties that he’ll have enough AB’s to even approach 20 homeruns

    =========================================

    That’s spring training for you. Everything is peaches and cream. I went back 4 years, and Jones has hit .193 against RHP’s. No reason to think he’d hit ‘em any better than .200 now. But it’s spring! In the spring everyone is in the BSOML and going to have a great season. I’m glad baseball is getting started, but when it comes to spring training, I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear.

  190. upstate kate February 23rd, 2012 at 8:08 am

    yeah, but that is the fun part of ST…anything is possible and every team has a chance :)

  191. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Blake-

    I’ll take the 6’8″ pitcher with big hands, whose fingers can stretch an octave or more, with good control of 2 pitches, who easily can alter grips on the baseball to accomodate pitches like the splitter.

    Actually, speaking about grips on the baseball, the seams on the Japanese baseball are higher, which afforded Darvish the luxury of having some 6-7 different pitches.

    Who has more success in their 1st year with a new team? Darvish pitching in Arlington, or Pineda pitching in YS?

  192. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Randy Wells never had a BSHOL because he was always in the WSOHL.

    But he sure could pitch.

    Michelin tried to get his arm for their museum.

    Offered huge sums for it.

    Wells just kept saying no.

    :)

  193. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Should have read David Wells.

    Duh. Huge brain fart.

    Sorry Boomer.

    :(

  194. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Who has more success in their 1st year with a new team? Darvish pitching in Arlington, or Pineda pitching in YS?

    =======================================

    I’d lean to Darvish just because of experience and polish, but there’s no way of knowing.

  195. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 8:14 am

    “I went back 4 years, and Jones has hit .193 against RHP’s. ”

    True….but Jones did look better than he had in years in the 2nd half last year …..and he’s still fairly young….I don’t know about 30 homers…..but I think its possible he coukd be an every day player again at that age if he’s re-dedicated himself

  196. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 8:15 am

    “I’ll take the 6’8? pitcher with big hands, whose fingers can stretch an octave or more, with good control of 2 pitches, who easily can alter grips on the baseball to accomodate pitches like the splitter.”

    Me too….ans Ill take Pineda over Darvish in 2012

  197. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Don’t forget just how good Joba was. Before the all the BS he had 4 pitches and elite velocity.
    ———————————-
    Tom-

    I think the midges in the playoff game in Cleveland, where Torre didn’t call for a game delay, and instead had him “sprayed” down with chemicals that attracted hundreds more of those nasty infectious insects, was the root of all his problems later on. :)

  198. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 8:16 am

    “I’d lean to Darvish just because of experience and polish, but there’s no way of knowing.”

    Pineda has more experience against big league hitters…..

  199. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:19 am

    True….but Jones did look better than he had in years in the 2nd half last year

    =================================

    Not against RHP’s. He had a good 2nd half, but to me he’s a role player now. Hit lefties and get out of the way the rest of the time. He’s offered no reasons to think he’s anymore than that at this point.

  200. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Blake-

    I’ll take your 120 million and raise you a Pineda and a Campos.

    I’m gonna win in the end if that’s the bet.

    Of course I lost a Montero earlier in the game so I was behind.

    ;)

  201. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Pineda has more experience against big league hitters…..

    =============================

    Again, it’s pure speculation. Reasons to think both ways. Wouldn’t be surprised if Pineda worked out better than Darvish or visa versa.

  202. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Is there going to be a logjam in the Yankees pitching rotation at AAA this year?
    Is another possible deal going to be made for a young position player, a corner OF’er who might be able to take over in RF for Swisher next year, further allowing the Yankees to decrease their payroll?

  203. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:28 am

    It’s gonna take an awful lot of good fortune for Darvish to justify his contract.

    He is already being paid like an elite pitcher before he has never even thrown a single ML pitch.

    That was a huge gamble on Texas’s part.

    Huge.

    That’s OK. I don’t like Texas anyway.

    ;)

  204. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:29 am

    The Roy Oswalt announcement comes today. Any thoughts?

    My guess is he’s doing an ’07 Clemens and hopes to hook up with a contending team in June.

  205. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:29 am

    YT-

    Yes. There will be.

    And a TD proposal is always possible.

    I think Phelps, in particular, is under rated.

    ;)

  206. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:29 am

    He is already being paid like an elite pitcher before he has never even thrown a single ML pitch.

    ================================

    He’s being paid $8M or $9M per year

  207. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Is another possible deal going to be made for a young position player, a corner OF’er who might be able to take over in RF for Swisher next year, further allowing the Yankees to decrease their payroll?

    ======================================

    If it’s to be a young, controlled corner OF who’s better than Swisher or has better than Swisher upside, it’ll cost one of the B’s, and probably not the one we’d prefer.

  208. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:33 am

    DF-

    Doesn’t the posting fee count in the calculation, or is that not money that was spent ?

    The cost is the total cost of the contract which unless I am wrong was around 120 Mil.

    I’m not gonna use any kind of tortured math to justify him.

    He cost the Rangers 120 Mil over the term.

  209. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Dogface-

    I still believe Oswalt would prefer to sign with the Cardinals, stay in the NL, and get a chance to start, building up his value for a more lucrative contract next year.

  210. randy l. February 23rd, 2012 at 8:34 am

    “Below is a graphic representation of a Pineda meter : MTU-the plus sign is where I feel the Pineda meter will be as a Yankee for many years to come!

    Randy —————————————————————————————— + —Pat M.”

    yankee trader-

    very clever graphic

    what’s interesting is that pat m and agree on most things about baseball , but we are polar opposites on this one.

    now why would the two of us have such different opinions on pineda and montero.

    i think pat m being a shortstop and me a catcher has something to do with it. pat m might be a little mystified by a pitcher like pineda who would have given him trouble as a hitter while being the nifty shortstop i’m sure he was.

    what i’m going on with pineda partially is i have caught a guy, jack armstrong, the whole winter before he started the national league all star game in 1990 or so. pineda and armstrong are different in many ways , but they were similar in that they both had 94-95 fastballs (on average) and good sliders.

    armstrong actually had a better era than pineda and more wins. my point here is for one season armstrong was really good. he was a two pitch pitcher and never really had a good year after that one.

    i think pineda will be a much better pitcher than armstrong, but comparisons to cc sabathia i think are extremely premature because pineda may just be a two pitch pitcher. we just don’t know who he is and what is inner drive and ability to grow is.

    jack armstrong had the nastiest splitter i’ve ever seen, but he wasn’t smart enough too throw it. is pineda smart? i have no idea. is cc sabathia smart. yes , he is. intelligence is going to play a big part in pineda’s progression as a pitcher.

    at this point i juts don’t know the kid. he could have an incredibly high aptitude for learning for all i know , but for some reason he’s been stuck on two pitches , maybe because of being so talented with those two pitches.

    on the other hand , he just might not have it in him to be a smart pitcher. does anyone think joba wouldn’t be a better pitcher if he was a smarter person. intelligence is a limiting factor sometimes. and yes there are all kinds of intelligence.

    pineda may well have an intelligence to him that will carry him from being a thrower to a pitcher.
    but from my experience catching a lot of pitchers, i do wonder from what i’ve seen so far if pineda isn’t going to stay a two pitch pitcher.

    he does seem like a very nice kid and very coachable. good attitude etc. that does count for a lot.

    we will all know much more about pineda and who he is in the next few months.

    one thing i think people should remember is everything they say about pineda is going to be tested by actual results coming up pretty quick. we’re not debating something that isn’t going to happen for years.

    pineda is going to be tested soon. he’s going to get the test of his life when he starts pitching in yankee stadium for the yankees in about 6 weeks.

  211. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:35 am

    YT-

    I’m not wishing it on him because I like the guy but I think Oswalt is gonna have a hot date with a traction device next season.

    Never mind a lucrative contract.

    ;)

  212. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Any updates on Jorge Soler?

  213. BD (Boston Dave) February 23rd, 2012 at 8:37 am

    “He’s being paid $8M or $9M per year”

    —-

    Justifying the contract has alot more to do with the actual cost to the team.

    Ya know, that massive lump sum payment on day 1 that they could have instead invested in apple stock and made millions on….

  214. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:37 am

    MTU:

    You are incorrect about the Darvish’s contract. No reason to expect any Japanese player to justify a posting fee that they don’t see a dime of. His deal with the Rangers is “I’ll pitcher for you for $9M per season. That’s it.

    YT:

    I know his preferences are the Cardinals and Rangers, quite likely in that order, but there is little evidence to suggest that either team has room for him at this point.

  215. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Randy-

    That graphic was mine.

    Please don’t give YT any more credit than he already deserves.

    He can barely fit thru the door as is with that swelled head.

    TIA for your cooperation.

    :)

  216. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Ya know, that massive lump sum payment on day 1 that they could have instead invested in apple stock and made millions on

    =====================================

    Maybe they used Apple stock dividends to pay the posting fee ;)

  217. Villa Nova-Ya February 23rd, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Ugh. Apple Stock.

    Shoulda take a chance years ago!!! LOL

  218. MTU February 23rd, 2012 at 8:43 am

    DF-

    I don’t agree. My perspective is what it cost the Rangers in total.

    In that sense, Darvish has to justify the total investment not the investment minus the posting fee.

    That is cost of the freight whether that is Darvish’s responsibility or not.

    He’s stuck with the onus on him, and the burden.

    Life isn’t always fair but that’s how I see it.

    We can just agree to disagree on this one but either way there is 120 mil less in the Rangers bank account at the moment. I think that’s what they see.

    ;)

  219. pat February 23rd, 2012 at 8:45 am

    “He (Jones) had November knee surgery and moved in with someone else coming off knee surgery, Alex Rodriguez. The duo went through a five-day-a-week, five-week boot camp in Miami of running, flexibility, lifting, hitting and fielding by two guys that Jones said, “want to make people stop doubting us.”

    A one day VS photoshoot gets international attention but a 5 week houseguest and hard work goes unnoticed. Such is the life of Alex Rodriguez.

  220. Villa Nova-Ya February 23rd, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Randy l -

    Your last post was more in keeping with what I’ve always seen from you and appreciated from you.

    Can’t say I liked the trade to begin with – my first reaction was “who the heck is Pineda?” and I’d already made a personal investment in Montero staying put. But I’d like to give Pineda the same benefit of the doubt I’ve always given Yankees youngsters (Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Melky, and yes, Montero), and hope for the best.

    The first reports from ST on Pineda are good. I’m hoping for the best.

    I do wonder why, though, Pat M has seen Montero as expendable for some time? I’ll have to try and stay awake and ask him later.

  221. Villa Nova-Ya February 23rd, 2012 at 8:49 am

    pat -

    Had the same reaction. Par for the course. :(

  222. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 8:49 am

    “Not against RHP’s.”

    Not.much sample there

  223. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Randy-

    Intelligence/wisdom is often gleaned thru experience. Was CC’s first year in the majors at age 20 when he was 17-5 for Cleveland, due to intelligence, better coaching, or something else.

    We’ll just have to wait and see how this trade works out for both Pineda and Montero. I respect your opinion, but for me, it’s time to move onto something else.

  224. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Not against RHP’s.”

    Not.much sample there

    =============================

    The .193 average against RHP’s over 500+ AB’s the past 4 seasons would suggest that it’s probably no accident that this is the case.

  225. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Trader,

    I havent heard or read anything on Soler lately.

    DF,

    Would Oswalt dare take Boston’s 5 million?

  226. disco stu February 23rd, 2012 at 8:52 am

    “A one day VS photoshoot gets international attention but a 5 week houseguest and hard work goes unnoticed. Such is the life of Alex Rodriguez.”

    You reap what you sow.

  227. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Randy-

    BTW, the graphic, was all that fools, MTU’s idea. I don’t want any credit! :)

  228. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 8:54 am

    “The .193 average against RHP’s over 500+ AB’s the past 4 seasons would suggest that it’s probably no accident that this is the case.”

    500 ABs spread across 4 seasons is a little different than 500 in one year…..and also I think its possible the player has changed since those ABs…..maybe he hasn’t …..but I don’t think he’s too old for a 2nd act to his career…..

  229. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 8:55 am

    If the Phillies were willing to swap Blanton for AJ Burnett …….why don’t they just sign Oswalt? That’s a little strange to me…..

  230. dogface February 23rd, 2012 at 8:57 am

    DF,

    Would Oswalt dare take Boston’s 5 million?

    ===================================

    I don’t think so, but that’s a total guess. Don’t think he’s getting more than that anywhere else though. I think he could get close to the same latching on with someone in June.

  231. 86w183 February 23rd, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Yanks would have paid $$$ difference in a Blanton/AJ swap… if they sign Oswalt they gotta pay for both guys.

    Blanton is not good… would have been a disaster in NYC

  232. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Joe Strauss JoeStrauss

    @

    Close friend of Oswalt said he “would not be surprised” if Roy accepted Cardinals’ terms. Developing

  233. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 9:01 am

    “Blanton is not good… would have been a disaster in NYC”

    The deal that was discussed would have sent Blanton to the Angels and Abreu to NY

  234. randy l. February 23rd, 2012 at 9:03 am

    mtu-

    excellent graphic then .

    i think pat m and i have a bit of a different perspective on pitchers because of what we did with them. he tried to hit them, and i caught them in the bullpen. we have pretty much agreed on guys like hughes.

    as a matter of fact we both seem to think he’s going to have a good year in 2012.

    pat m had a good feeling about kennedy and he was right.

    the difference we have may not be so much in how we judge pitchers as in how we judge the coaching of these pitchers.

    it’s not a coincidence that kennedy blossomed when he left yankee coaching. yankee coaching under eiland was generic and nothing special. the guy who let eiland run things for a few years is still in control of pitching development.

    in other words, pat m thinks with yankee coaching pineda will be an ace. i think with yankee coaching, pineda will be a #3 or 4 and probably a reliever like joba.

    how the yankees turned a plus guy like joba into a middle reliever and have gotten no backlash from the baseball community is beyond me.

    some of my reasons for disliking yankee pitching development is personal. i saw what the yankees did up close with tony cloninger and neil allen. cashman decides these guys don’t fit under him yet both go on and have major impacts with cashman’s competitors. cloninger is still a red sox consultant. all the present rays starters have gone through allen at triple a or double a.

    i’m sure there are other stories with cashman and pitching coaches i don’t know about because i
    didn’t know them personally. i knew allen and cloninger so i know their stories.

    in short , pineda’s biggest hurdle may simply be who is coaching him from this point on.
    pat m may not be seeing that the way i see it.
    that might be where our different opinion of pineda’s future lies.

  235. randy l. February 23rd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    “We’ll just have to wait and see how this trade works out for both Pineda and Montero. I respect your opinion, but for me, it’s time to move onto something else.”

    yankee trader-

    why in the wrld would we want to move on from pineda who the yankees have bet will become their co ace or at worst a solid #2 behind sabathia.

    pineda is the biggest story of the spring for the yankees.

    i ,for one, a just touching the surface of learning about the guy.

    pineda is going to be a focus for a long time just like hughe and joba were.
    and it’s probably going to be a roller coaster ride from highs to lows just like with joba and hughes.

    i do not expect all of a sudden for the yankees to have figured out how to develop a young guy while balancing winning and learning how to pitch.

    hughes and joba and kennedy were annihilated with the process at times and i expect pineda to be no different.

    i also expect some times when it will seem he is doing great, just like with hughes, wang, joba, and kennedy.

  236. Duh Innings February 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    I predict Cabral or Rapada will take “the one spot that’s left” as the second lefty out of spring training. Whichever guy wins the job will have to pitch well enough so that the Yanks are forced to release or trade Wade, Garcia, or maybe even Logan (the least likely to go of the three) to keep him and make room for Aardsma or Chamberlain if either or both are ready to pitch.

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