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Thursday morning notes: “Officially, I’m nothing”

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He hasn’t been added to the roster, and he’s not even officially signed, but Eric Chavez was in the Yankees clubhouse this morning, planning to go through his physical and whatever else needs to happen before his signing is complete.

“Officially, I’m nothing,” he said.

Unofficially, he’s back, having signed with the Yankees after seriously considering retirement. As recently as two weeks ago, Chavez wasn’t sure he would sign. He was hitting with Kevin Long, but still not positive a deal would get done. What made him decide to play another season? He said it was the interest from a team that he knew and liked that sparked a desire to do it again.

“If there was no interest at all, in my mind, I was probably going to shut it down,” Chavez said. “It became too appealing for me not to come back.”

Chavez took the same locker he had last spring, along the back wall right next to Nick Swisher. Raul Ibanez has also been assigned a locker. He’s at the front of the clubhouse, over in the corner, using Bernie Williams’ old locker.

George Kontos said his sore oblique is growing less sore by the day. It no longer hurts when he coughs and he has full range of motion. He said the Yankees medical staff has told him he’s recovering nicely, and he’s hoping it’s only another day or two before he’s able to start throwing again.

More live batting practice today. David Phelps got it started on the main field. Brett Marshall, Adam Warren, Dan Burawa and Chase Whitley also faced hitters today. Cesar Cabral and Graham Stoneburner are scheduled for early BP tomorrow. If you’re curious, Gustavo Molina, Austin Romine, Gary Sanchez and J.R. Murphy did the early morning catching.

Today’s temporary call-ups to serve as the batting practice hitters: Addison Maruszak, Kevin Mahoney, Garrison Lassiter and Jeff Farnham.

Today’s bullpen groups:

Group 1
Juan Cedeno (to Gustavo Molina)
Manny Delcarmen (to Francisco Cervelli)
Mike O’Connor (to Jose Gil)
Clay Rapada (to Russell Martin)

Group 2
Adam Miller (to Austin Romine)
Ryan Pope (to Gary Sanchez)
Kevin Whelan (to Kyle Higashioka)

Same batting practice groups as usual:

Group 1: David Adams, Justin Maxwell, Andruw Jones
Group 2: Francisco Cervelli, Russell Martin, Austin Romine, Gustavo Molina
Group 3: Jose Gil, Gary Sanchez, Kyle Higashioka, J.R. Murphy

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329 Responses to “Thursday morning notes: “Officially, I’m nothing””

  1. ac1 February 23rd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    scuzzles February 23rd, 2012 at 10:29 am
    Someone mentioned Andrew Jones too. Ugh. Another stiff that occasionally gets a big hit. Really the only thing that excites me about this team is watching the pitching evolve, and hopefully its alot better than last year. Even CC isnt a sure thing. If you recall he sucked last post season.

    ___

    Then don’t watch!

  2. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    That’s the worst bullpen groups I’ve ever seen. I bet you get a free bowl of soup with a bullpen group like that.

  3. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Ibanez better get a razor

    How about some BP video of G. Sanchez somebody!

  4. Benny Blanco February 23rd, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Stuckey, per jack curry. Martin told him that pineda was babying the first few change ups but once he threw them with same arm speed as fastball there was big improvement. FYI. :)

  5. pat February 23rd, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Joelsherman1
    Gene Michael passed me this morn, said read column and stated believes Andruw Jones is Hall Famer now “Impact player on both sides of ball with defense power.” Said thought only Paul Blair clearly better in CF in his time. #Yankees

  6. Irreverent Discourse February 23rd, 2012 at 10:38 am

    First run of ZiPS 2012 projections.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/proje.....8;players=

    Keep in mind ZiPS is not adjusted for playing time.

  7. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 10:39 am

    “Per jack curry. Martin said the Pineda was “baby-ing” his change up but once he threw it with the same arm speed as just fastball there was big improvement. Uuu Ohhh. :)”

    Benny, that is a typical issue with a hard-thrower throwing a change and the solution often isn’t having that aha moment. The brain has to be trained.

    Hardthrowers tend to fear they’ll just be throwing a batting practice curveball and UNconsciously slow the arm down.

    Pineda apparently had huge hands. The grip shouldn’t be the problem. Its getting him to trust that throwing it with the same action will yield better results. Its brain connection and physical repetition.

    Won’t be overnight, but it needn’t be a year and/or in AAA either.

  8. Best To Ever Do It February 23rd, 2012 at 10:40 am

    pat February 23rd, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Joel feeling cranky today?

    Joelsherman1
    Advice to colleagues: News is who doesn’t show up, not who does. Taking attendance is for 1st-grade teachers

    —————————–

    When isn’t he cranky :D

  9. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 10:40 am

    batting practice FASTBALL.

  10. Irreverent Discourse February 23rd, 2012 at 10:41 am

    i was wondering what a BP curveball would look like. does it just hit the batter? :p

  11. randy l. February 23rd, 2012 at 10:41 am

    “Jesus Montero wouldn’t exist in a golf style system because he wouldn’t have been able to afford the fees to become a touring professional… now if only there was a scout that would peg him for sponsorship…”

    jerkface-

    you are showing your youth and ignorance of golf and maybe some class prejudice all at the same time.

    tons of poor players have risen to the top of the golf game from all country’s. usually it’s the caddy approach that gets them there. sure sponsorships help , but they don’t own a player. and not for long.

    here’s your montero in golf:
    26 year-old Venezuelan Jhonattan Vegas’s US PGA Tour win was seen as a rebuke to Hugo Chavez’s assault on the sport. Vegas told reporters, “I really hope it means people changing their minds about the sport.”
    Eurosport reported:

    Venezuelan golfers hailed compatriot Jhonattan Vegas’s US PGA Tour win as a big advance for their sport in the baseball-obsessed nation and proof socialist leader Hugo Chavez’s disparagement of golf was misplaced.

    The 26-year-old Vegas, who learned golf thanks to his father’s job as a caddy, won a first US PGA title in only his fifth start after a playoff for the Bob Hope Classic on Sunday.

    “I’d never heard such commotion,” said Carlos Whaite, executive director of Venezuela’s golf federation, who watched Vegas’s triumph on TV with scores of excited kids and other golf fans after a children’s competition in Caracas.

    “This is the greatest thing that has ever happened to Venezuelan golf beyond our borders,” Whaite said”.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.co.....t-on-golf/

  12. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    blake February 23rd, 2012 at 10:15 am
    The Yankees should hold the SS open in a couple of years to find the replacement for Jeter!
    -
    In Cashman’s pitching is everything world, it probably doesn’tmateriel who replaces Jeter and A-Rod’s bats, as long as the pitching is good…
    ———-

    You don’t really believe that do you?

    I think in Cashman’s view he wants a balanced team but thinks hitting is easier to find than pitching.

  13. randy l. February 23rd, 2012 at 10:43 am

    jerkface-

    my bigger point is just a comment on moneyball the movie. there’s more to baseball than just a competition between old time scouts and new time scouts.

    not really worth discussing now.

  14. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Sorry, Randy, your Montero of Golf played college level golf in the united states. How is Montero getting to college in America?

  15. Ys Guy February 23rd, 2012 at 10:48 am

    “pat February 23rd, 2012 at 10:34 am
    Joel feeling cranky today?

    Joelsherman1
    Advice to colleagues: News is who doesn’t show up, not who does. Taking attendance is for 1st-grade teachers”
    ==================================

    amen! i can’t believe that dave roberston said yesterday that he’d believe it when he sees it (about mo retiring) was ‘news’ in the paper, on the radio and the internet. reporters are supposed to look for what’s different new and interesting instead of grinding out worthless crap which is basically all i’ve read in yankees coverage this week. i know there’s not alot happening, but if you just hold up a mike in the clubhouse, that’s what you get. you gotta go get news, not hang around and let it come to you. like him or not, sherman shakes it up and reports news instead of quoting derek jeter spitting out the same old crap.

  16. Erin February 23rd, 2012 at 10:49 am

    pat February 23rd, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Joel feeling cranky today?

    Joelsherman1
    Advice to colleagues: News is who doesn’t show up, not who does. Taking attendance is for 1st-grade teachers

    **********************

    Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. ;)

  17. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 10:51 am

    ID, sorry about that :-)

    The changeup is called “pulling the string” and often that is exactly what the brain sometimes tells your arm to do. At the last milisecond of the release, the brain wants the arm to “pull back” – to take the momentum off the ball.

    I don’t like to go here, because I tend to think it sounds stupid (I could be utterly making it up), but I tried to learn a circle change when I joined a 30 and over local baseball league.

    I could feel myself almost reaching out for the ball right after release and wanting to grab it and slow it down, which was actually me slowing my arm down at the last instance. Didn’t throw it enough or play long enough to fully get over it. But I do know the results.

    And that was a batter seeing the action, resetting and getting a fat slow pitch that tended to hang exactly where a batter wanted a slow pitch to be. Actually got a lot of fouls straight back (there were weekend warrior hitter too) but there was a lot of “uh oh”/wince moments.

  18. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Stuckey,

    I agree….it does take some time to make yourself trust that the grip will do the work and that you need to throw it just as hard as your fastball……again I would think that a kid Pineda’s age that throws strikes as well as he does has a pretty good idea of what he’s doing……

  19. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Sherman’s an idiot and that’s not really news either.

    This is all in response to Terry Collins making a big deal over Ruben Tejada not showing up to Met camp 5 days before it opened.

    I tend to agree with Craig Calcaterra. If you want guys to show up somewhere on a certain date tell them that date. Don’t tell them a date that is days after when you really want them there.

  20. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:03 am

    And what is a bit low down in the column and, perhaps, easy to gloss over is that Jones spent five weeks recently living at Alex Rodriguez’s Miami home so that the two could essentially endure a boot camp together.

    Both players are coming off knee surgery and Jones talked about how A-Rod just was not healthy down the stretch and in the playoffs last year because he didn’t have his legs beneath him, particularly in his swing. Jones flatly says if the team were healthy – and I think he was mainly talking about A-Rod – then the Yankees would have beaten the Tigers in the Division Series and gone onto a championship.

    “Really, if we were healthy with all the talk about our starting pitching, it wouldn’t have mattered, I think we would have found a way to win the World Series,” Jones said.

    Jones said that he and A-Rod “want to make people stop doubting us” and that is why they endured a five-day-a-week regimen of running, agility, weightlifting, hitting and fielding. They paid for personal chefs and trainers. They had Yankees hitting coach Kevin Long and third base coach Rob Thomson, who does a lot of the fielding work with the Yankees, come to Miami for periods to work with them.

    Jones is noticeably leaner and more toned and talking about hitting 30 homers if he could just get 400 at-bats.

    But I think it also is worth noting that A-Rod opened his home, facilities and time for this. Look, it is easy to caricature Rodriguez as an insecure egomaniac who is expert at saying and doing the wrong things. You will not find a lot of arguments against that here.

    There is this, however: Rodriguez loves baseball, loves to train and, particularly, loves to train so he can play baseball as long as possible. He also does believe in trying to be a good teammate in this way by being gracious with his expertise in the sport or in training, and/or by using his wealth to bring some comfort to a teammate. It is not uncommon to hear that he has opened his home/apartments to a teammate or that he has bought suits for a youngster.

    http://m.nypost.com/p/blogs/ha.....ewyorkpost

  21. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 am

    This is all in response to Terry Collins making a big deal over Ruben Tejada not showing up to Met camp 5 days before it opened.

    He addressed his colleagues, how is that in response to a manager wanting a player there? Sherman said to report who isnt here, not waste time reporting who shows up. I think you crossed a wire, Chip.

  22. Irreverent Discourse February 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 am

    stuckey – I had learned to palm my changeup, rather than over-grip or squeeze it… letting the ball slip all the way through my fingers stopped me from slowing my arm down as i could still “feel” the ball as it was coming out.

    nevertheless, I couldn’t aim the thing for it to be terribly useful :p

  23. Irreverent Discourse February 23rd, 2012 at 11:08 am

    stuckey – although my hands being as large as they are i guess it was technically a circle change more than a palmball.

  24. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Speaking of the Mets – here’s an interesting rundown of their lineup.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......york-mets/

    If their pitching prospects in Wheeler, Mejia and Familia develop they could be in pretty good position to deal Pelfrey and/or Gee or Niese

  25. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Sherman can seem prickly in his writing style…..but he’s probably the best a d most plugged in and accurate reporter covering the Yanks right now…..and if you’ve heard him do radio I think it’d a better representation of him than his writing…..he’s very good on radio and that has actually changed my opinion of him somewhat.

  26. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 am

    This is all in response to Terry Collins making a big deal over Ruben Tejada not showing up to Met camp 5 days before it opened.

    He addressed his colleagues, how is that in response to a manager wanting a player there? Sherman said to report who isnt here, not waste time reporting who shows up. I think you crossed a wire, Chip.
    ————-

    I think you misunderstand:

    My point is that Sherman is saying Ruben Tejada not being 5 days early (and Terry Collins being miffed about it) is news, but Derek Jeter being in camp early is not.

  27. Irreverent Discourse February 23rd, 2012 at 11:10 am

    stuckey – and don’t avoid “going there”.

    Describing your personal experience is exactly what you are supposed to do. Acting like it’s the only way the world works is not :)

  28. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 am

    1. How do you know Sherman is responding specifically to Tejada and 2. Duh. Of course 1 is news and the other isn’t. Everyone shows up. Its only a big deal if you don’t show up.

  29. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 11:15 am

    ID, I have large hands as well (I’m 6’6″) and the grip was easy for me.

    In fact, one night I was at Borders, went to look for a book on pitching, found a diagram of the grip and was throwing it the next day. Could throw it for strikes easy (too easy, part of the problem, I also subsconsciously wanted to throw a called strike with it. That was part of a larger issue I had, I wanted EVERYTHING to land in the strikezone and could do it).

    Look like a winner warming up. Threw it in a game and I could FEEL me doing it wrong. Like people with yips or hiccups in their golf swings. You KNOW its wrong, but NOT doing it isn’t so easy.

  30. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 11:17 am

    ID, problem is if I reveal too much personal stuff, some of you might get closer to ascertaining my programmer and manufacturing date.

  31. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    So Chip is 6’4″ and Stuckey is 6’6″……Lohud basketball team!

  32. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Joe Strauss JoeStrauss

    @

    Mo’ insists Roy O “will not be pitching for the Cardinals.” Categorical

  33. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 am

    1. How do you know Sherman is responding specifically to Tejada and 2. Duh. Of course 1 is news and the other isn’t. Everyone shows up. Its only a big deal if you don’t show up.
    ——————-

    Because Tejada is the only guy about whom a local story was written involving a player not being in camp.

  34. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:25 am

    blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Joe Strauss JoeStrauss

    @

    Mo’ insists Roy O “will not be pitching for the Cardinals.” Categorical
    ——————-

    I think Oswalt has overplayed his hand right into retirement. He doesn’t want to pitch for Boston, the teams he does want to pitch for don’t want him or can’t come to an agreement on how much to pay him…I don’t see a landing spot.

  35. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:26 am

    JF -

    A player not showing up 5 days before he’s supposed to show up is also not news.

  36. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Because Tejada is the only guy about whom a local story was written involving a player not being in camp.

    Ok but even if this is the case, its true. Tejada is the only position player in camp. How is it news that each of the others showed up? They are all doing the same thing. That ain’t news. Tejada not being there is news, even if the news is that Terry Collins is a crazy old guy :)

    And I don’t know Sherman’s stance on it either way but it seems like he would be on Tejada’s side. That it isn’t news until Tejada hasn’t shown up yet (past the deadline), everyone else is acting like a 1st grade teacher.

  37. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 11:28 am

    A player not showing up 5 days before he’s supposed to show up is also not news.

    Ok but Sherman could be agreeing with you, and wondering why everyone is wasting space on it. Its only a tweet, with very little context, so we don’t know for sure yet. I’d lean towards him being annoyed anyone is making a big deal out of it.

  38. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Axisa calculates the 40 man payroll for luxury tax purposes at 225 million for 2012.

    http://www.riveraveblues.com

  39. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 am

    “I don’t see a landing spot.”

    Philly or the Reds

  40. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 11:28 am

    A player not showing up 5 days before he’s supposed to show up is also not news.

    Ok but Sherman could be agreeing with you, and wondering why everyone is wasting space on it. Its only a tweet, with very little context, so we don’t know for sure yet. I’d lean towards him being annoyed anyone is making a big deal out of it.
    ————

    Whatever the case I think we can agree we’ve expanded far too many words on the topic.

  41. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:34 am

    blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 am

    “I don’t see a landing spot.”

    Philly or the Reds
    ———–

    Reds have said they’re out.

    Philly is probably out too. Unless they can dump Joe Blanton they seem pretty set with:

    Halladay
    Lee
    Hamels
    Worley
    Blanton/Kendrick

  42. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2012 at 11:34 am

    blake-

    Do you know what Axisa is referring to when he mentions “player benefits” totaling $10M which count for luxury tax purposes? I wonder if that means the Yanks have to get down to $179M to be under the LT threshold in 2014.

  43. randy l. February 23rd, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “n fact, one night I was at Borders, went to look for a book on pitching, found a diagram of the grip and was throwing it the next day. Could throw it for strikes easy (too easy, part of the problem,”

    how was your fast ball ? 65mph or 85 mph?

  44. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:37 am

    “Do you know what Axisa is referring to when he mentions “player benefits” totaling $10M which count for luxury tax purposes? ”

    Im not sure no….

  45. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Chip,

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Phillies find some couch cushion money to offer him and then continue shopping Blanton…..

  46. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “how was your fast ball ? 65mph or 85 mph?”

    On the internet we all throw 95.

  47. pat February 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 am

    :smile:

    JoeFrisaro
    Priceless Ozzie moment. Reyes swings and misses first pitch off machine. Ozzie yells, “Don’t be wasting our money.”

  48. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2012 at 11:34 am

    blake-

    Do you know what Axisa is referring to when he mentions “player benefits” totaling $10M which count for luxury tax purposes? I wonder if that means the Yanks have to get down to $179M to be under the LT threshold in 2014.
    ———–

    It’s possible he means bonuses that seem reasonable to assume a player reaches?

  49. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “You don’t really believe that do you?”

    Well, I did intentionally overstate it. I tend to use … when I want to indicate more subtle sarcasm than an emoticon offers.

    “I think in Cashman’s view he wants a balanced team but thinks hitting is easier to find than pitching.”

    We (all of us) have beaten this thing to death, Chip, but the mL system is not currently balanced in terms of near ML ready impact bats, and we disagree on the availability of cost-controlled impact bats relative to similarly situated pitchers.

  50. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Chip-

    I don’t think that was what Axisa was referring to. He said “benefits”, which to me means health insurance, pension fund contributions etc.

  51. jpmatrixfan88 February 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Very interested read on Andruw Jones and Arod, Blake.

    Man, Donny is right about that Andruw Jones being a disgrace to the game eh ;)

    Glad that the two are very dedicated and hope they both have great years!

  52. Crawdaddy February 23rd, 2012 at 11:44 am

    “Sherman can seem prickly in his writing style…..but he’s probably the best a d most plugged in and accurate reporter covering the Yanks right now…..and if you’ve heard him do radio I think it’d a better representation of him than his writing…..he’s very good on radio and that has actually changed my opinion of him somewhat.”

    He’s very good on the radio as I like to listen to him on XM Radio. I used to think he was a jerk too, but it’s just the New Yorker in him.

  53. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Chip-

    I don’t think that was what Axisa was referring to. He said “benefits”, which to me means health insurance, pension fund contributions etc.
    —————-

    Yeah but I wouldn’t think that MLB would count something like medical and dental against a team’s roster payroll any more than they would count trainers against it.

    Seems odd to penalize a team for covering a player’s health no?

  54. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Chip-

    It was a surprise to me when Axisa included it, but Axisa is pretty knowledgeable.

  55. LGY February 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Wave

    From the old CBA

    C. Determination of Actual Club Payroll
    (1) Definition of Actual Club Payroll
    “Actual Club Payroll” of a Club in a Contract Year shall be the
    sum of:
    (a) a 1/30th share of Player Benefit Costs (and a similar pro
    rata share if the number of Major League Clubs changes), as
    determined in Section D below;

    http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

  56. Bronx Jeers February 23rd, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “I used to think he was a jerk too, but it’s just the New Yorker in him.”

    ———————————

    :shock:

  57. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 am

    “how was your fast ball ? 65mph or 85 mph?”

    There was a time I could get it in the 80′s.

    At 32? After no playing and hardly even throwing for ten years. No idea. Was no where near guns anymore. Low 70′s would be a shot in the dark

    Arm hurt like hell too.

  58. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Thanks, LGY. Something similar is in the new CBA I’m sure. Then I think you can’t use strict salary when thinking about that 2014 LT threshold, you need to leave some room for benefits as well.

    2014 gets dicier and dicier.

  59. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 am

    “Seems odd to penalize a team for covering a player’s health no?”

    Can’t think of it as a “penalty” when it applies equally to all 30 teams.

  60. Irreverent Discourse February 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    I was touching mid 80′s in college, still can get it up around 75 without hurting myself. i miss my shoulder :(

  61. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 am

    stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 am

    “Seems odd to penalize a team for covering a player’s health no?”

    Can’t think of it as a “penalty” when it applies equally to all 30 teams.
    ————–

    Well I tend to think of it as a penalty to all 30 teams. If you’re going to set a payroll limit then costs like that should not count towards it.

  62. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    “Well I tend to think of it as a penalty to all 30 teams. If you’re going to set a payroll limit then costs like that should not count towards it.”

    That’s not the way to look at it. I’m sure benefits are all contractually mandated via the CBA, so they are just additional payroll. I just never thought to include it when calculating team payrolls.

  63. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “Well I tend to think of it as a penalty to all 30 teams. If you’re going to set a payroll limit then costs like that should not count towards it.”

    The tax threshold is arbitrary. Assuming benefits are a relatively fixed cost for all 30 teams, MLB could adjust the threshold or remove the benefits clause and the net result is no different.

  64. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    LGY,

    So what does that mean in plain English…..what are player benefits

  65. G. Love February 23rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Loved the Andruw Jones piece in the Post this morning but we all know even if he hits like Hank Aaron, it would take Girardi about 4 months of the season to admit it and replace Swisher or Gardner with him.

  66. Benny Blanco February 23rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Stuckey. I totally understand what you are saying in regards of throwing a change up.

    It’s like decelerating your golf swing at the last second when chipping; you don’t want to do that. You have to trust the grip and let ball do what it wants when you release.

  67. pat February 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Part of the luxury tax money goes toward player benefits. Not a big number but that contribution will go away if Yankees stay under threshold.

  68. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “Loved the Andruw Jones piece in the Post this morning but we all know even if he hits like Hank Aaron, it would take Girardi about 4 months of the season to admit it and replace Swisher or Gardner ”

    He could take abs from Ibanez sooner.

  69. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Mike on twitter says they do count against the threshold. And the CBA I just read says the same thing.

    So they have to meet like a 173 threshold really. Maybe less, to include the others on the 40 man and stuff.

    Real hard.

  70. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    The CBA sucks bad

  71. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    “So they have to meet like a 173 threshold really. Maybe less, to include the others on the 40 man and stuff.

    Real hard.”

    It pretty much makes it imperative that they have a very productive mL system.

  72. versonine February 23rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    I think Ibanez could have a successful year with the short porch in right field.

  73. LGY February 23rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    blake

    The stuff that counts as benefits are listed on p.89-90 of the CBA I linked.

    Insurance, college scholarship plan, contribution to postseason players’ pool, etc.

  74. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    The Red Sox and Phillies are gonna have trouble with this too….maybe even moreso than the Yanks if they wanted to stay competitve

  75. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    “I think Ibanez could have a successful year with the short porch in right field.”

    The allure of NYS’s RF dimensions will either benefit him or kill him. It’s may be killing Tex, but he has a boat load more talent and really doesn’t need to be a one-tricky pony.

  76. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “Insurance, college scholarship plan, contribution to postseason players’ pool, etc”

    Sucks

  77. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    And the Braun Watch continues………………………………………….

  78. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    - BLAKE -
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  79. G. Love February 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I’m hoping for the best from Ibanez but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see him released in June. You just hope he has some life in his bat and isn’t a lineup hole early on. I hate treating the DH spot like a rocking chair where the offense doesn’t really count. If that’s what AL managers are evolving into thinking than Selig should abolish the DH.

    Here’s my question to you guys; say Andruw shows he can mash righties better than Swisher this season. Who is the DH & who is the RF’er? Isn’t Andruw a better defensive player than Swisher?

    What’s the better defensive OF? Jones-Grandy-Gardner or Swisher-Grandy-Gardner?

  80. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Isn’t Andruw a better defensive player than Swisher?

    Not now.

  81. Erin February 23rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm

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  82. Patrick February 23rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm

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  83. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Jones is older with bad knees. I’d still keep him at DH. The thing with Jones is that you can play him in the field, and some team might even start him there, but given the players the yankees have he is still the 4th best Ofer.

  84. pat February 23rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Angels put up Pujols “El Hombre” billboards all over SoCal and Pujols not happy about it because he thinks of Stan Musial as The Man not him.

    If Pujols was a Yankee now, would Yankee fans support Pujols respect for Musial or tell him he’s not in St. Louis anymore so shut up?

  85. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    “Isn’t Andruw a better defensive player than Swisher?”

    He hasn’t been recently…..but we have to see how he’s moving this spring…..

  86. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    For people more versed than I?

    How is the tax threshold calculated/determined? Is it fixed? Based on BRI (baseball related income?) ala the NBA?

  87. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “If Pujols was a Yankee now, would Yankee fans support Pujols respect for Musial or tell him he’s not in St. Louis anymore so shut up?”

    Yankee fans are pretty respectful of history ….so I think they’d go with what Albert thought

  88. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    “If Pujols was a Yankee now, would Yankee fans support Pujols respect for Musial or tell him he’s not in St. Louis anymore so shut up?”

    They’d probably just wonder what “El Hombre” means. ;)

  89. Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “Insurance, college scholarship plan, contribution to postseason players’ pool, etc”

    Sucks

    ————————-

    Did anyone see the South Park episode about crack-baby basketball? Its actually an episode about college athletes that Cartman insists should be called slaves (while dressed like Colonel Sanders, no less) and approaches the Colorado University president about how he gets away with it (so Cartman can continue to get away with not paying the crack babies he’s using for crack baby basketball).

    I realize this is semi-unrelated….. but how the hell did they get these guys to agree to the new CBA?!

  90. upstate kate February 23rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I thought Pujols was “the machine”

  91. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    How is the tax threshold calculated/determined? Is it fixed? Based on BRI (baseball related income?) ala the NBA?

    Fixed, determined by the CBA. The threshold right now is in the 170′s I think, and it moves to 189 for a couple of years including 2014.

  92. DONNYBROOK February 23rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Once again, Cashman and that Big Mouth of his, has the Yankees\Girardi doing damage control. Admitting your team intentionally tanked the Division\2010, calls for Hal to read Cashman the riot act. Totally inexcuseable.

  93. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm

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  94. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Admitting your team intentionally tanked the Division\2010, calls for Hal to read Cashman the riot act. Totally inexcuseable.

    Whats wrong with admitting something 2 years in hindsight that everyone thought was true at the time?

  95. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm

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    http://philliesnation.com/mlb-.....n-new-cba/

  96. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    “I realize this is semi-unrelated….. but how the hell did they get these guys to agree to the new CBA?!”

    Jack Daniels

  97. Patrick February 23rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Once again, Cashman and that Big Mouth of his, has the Yankees\Girardi doing damage control. Admitting your team intentionally tanked the Division\2010, calls for Hal to read Cashman the riot act. Totally inexcuseable.

    You should be thankful that your crap posts only embarrass one person – DONNYBROOK

  98. Doc Iac February 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    shame spencer

    classic episode! haha

    i love south park, butters is the man

  99. Howe Farr February 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    You should be thankful that your crap posts only embarrass one person – DONNYBROOK
    ______________________________

    Well said, and the Braun watch continues…..

  100. randy l. February 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    “At 32? After no playing and hardly even throwing for ten years. No idea. Was no where near guns anymore. Low 70?s would be a shot in the dark

    Arm hurt like hell too.”

    honest answer

    65mph is faster than people think.

  101. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    YT posted this: Is there going to be a logjam in the Yankees pitching rotation at AAA this year?

    And I don’t know if anyone answered it. Listening to Cashman’s comments about Pineda in the rotation (doesnt want him at the front end right now) and mentioning the depth in the minors, it really leads me to believe Hughes is the 5 almost no matter what in spring.

    The AAA rotation is Phelps, Warren, Mitchell, Banuelos, Betances. No room for Hughes to kick any of those guys down to AA or to the pen.

  102. Shame Spencer February 23rd, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    I think there’s this guy on Sons of Guns that looks just like Butters.

    It was a classic ep though. They always manage to make reality look utterly ridiculous. I happened to be watching it with a friend that thought college athletes shouldn’t get paid at all and by the end of it he was like, ‘Wow… when talking construction paper sets you straight.’

  103. Wave Your Hat February 23rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Hughes will need to pitch great in ST to get the starting job over Garcia.

  104. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    “, it really leads me to believe Hughes is the 5 almost no matter what in spring.”

    His comments about Hughes has suggested this also.

  105. Doc Iac February 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    ya south park is a great show,

    i argee with alot of their views,

    plus its funny as hell, nothin beats the multipule personality episode

  106. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “honest answer

    “65mph is faster than people think.”

    Then you’re appreciate this – hurt so bad while I was throwing (not after, which was why I wasn’t worried about structural damage) I switched to submarine style… f’ed around with in high school and I could always throw strikes with it.

    Lost velocity, but gained a lot of movement (moved in to righthanders). Pain free.

  107. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Hughes will need to pitch great in ST to get the starting job over Garcia.

    I don’t think he has to. I think he just needs to look good enough. I cant see them putting him in the pen. The way they have been talking, I think Hughes already has the edge for the 5th spot.

  108. Patrick February 23rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Hughes will need to pitch great in ST to get the starting job over Garcia.

    I believe that Girardi already knows his fifth starter. The only thing that will change his decision is injury

  109. m February 23rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    pat,

    If Pujols was on the Yankees, they wouldn’t have had any such campaign. :)

  110. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Also, beyond CC (and maybe Kuroda), what # you assign a starter really only has meaning early in the season. The remaining three (or four) can easily rise or fall as the season wears on.

  111. ac1 February 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Man the Red Sox scammed the good people of San Diego so badly. Hoer and Theo in particular.

    “Padres To Receive Low-Level Prospect For Hoyer”

    SO Hoyer leaves the Sox for 1 year, trades the Padres star player for nothing, then leaves to meet up with Theo in Chicago where they trade and get back the one decent player in the Gonzales trade?

    WOW!

    The people of San Diego should be really pissed, if they actually care about their team at all.

  112. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    They should be pissed at Selig. He’s charged with upholding the integrity of the game, which is kind of funny, actually.

  113. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    I’m going to do my own research eventually and get a full handle on it (I love NBA CBAology) but for those in the immediate know…

    I’ve seen references to people saying the Yankees just have to get under the mark for the 2014 season, implying the can spend again after with some coverage.

    Is this accurate? A misnomer? Can someone summarize this in 300 words or less?

  114. Crawdaddy February 23rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “I don’t think he has to. I think he just needs to look good enough. I cant see them putting him in the pen. The way they have been talking, I think Hughes already has the edge for the 5th spot.”

    This season might be the last time Hughes can prove to the Yankees that he belongs in their rotation and deserves to be locked up for a long-term contract.

  115. Irreverent Discourse February 23rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    stuckey – Once they get under the 184mil for one season, it resets their tax penalty so if they go over the year after it won’t hurt as much. Closest thing I can think of to what you are speaking.

  116. UnKnown February 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    I think Ibanez is the first guy I have ever seen that doesn’t look good in a Yankee hat. A clean shave would do wonders though…

  117. stuckey February 23rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    “I think Ibanez is the first guy I have ever seen that doesn’t look good in a Yankee hat.”

    Were you cryogentically frozen during the Randy Johnson era?

  118. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    I’ve seen references to people saying the Yankees just have to get under the mark for the 2014 season, implying the can spend again after with some coverage.

    If they get under for 2014 it resets their tax penalty back to the default rate, saving them 20% and 30 and 40% in luxury penalties. Under the new CBA they will also get a rebate of revenue sharing money believed to be more than 10 million. If they were to stay under for 2014-2016 they would not pay any luxury tax (duh) but they would also RECEIVE 40+ million in revenue sharing rebates.

    Ideally, the Yankees would get under for 1 year every handful of years to reset their rate and get an instant rebate. Staying under the cap provides benefits buts reduces their competitive advantage.

  119. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    @BryanHoch

    #Yankees C Austin Romine has some back soreness. He might be held out of workouts tomorrow.

    I hope back trouble isnt going to be a recurring thing for Romine

  120. Yankee Trader February 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    It’s 189M. Here’s your answer in 3000 or less words.

    For if they are at $189 million or less for the three seasons from 2014-16, they not only avoid paying one cent in luxury tax, which would rise to 50 percent for them as repeat offenders, but they also would get roughly $40 million in savings via the to-be-implemented market disqualification revenue sharing program. However, only teams under the luxury-tax threshold get reimbursed in this program, which is designed to prevent big markets such as Toronto and Washington from receiving revenue sharing dollars, which in turn will lower how much teams such as the Yanks pay (as long as they are under the threshold).

    And even if they just went under $189 million for 2014 before going over again in 2015, the Yankees would receive serious benefits. They would get about $10 million in the revenue sharing disqualification program. Also, by simply going under the threshold once, the Yankees would go back to having a 17.5 percent tax rather than the 50 percent that begins in 2014 for them if they never go under. Keep in mind that since the luxury tax went to 40 percent for them in 2005, the Yankees have averaged paying $25.75 million in tax annually

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1nELXpHnC

  121. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    “I hope back trouble isnt going to be a recurring thing for Romine”

    Yet another reason why he was the one to move.

  122. Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Teams whose payrolls exceed set thresholds will be taxed on the portions above them:

    2012-$178 million
    2013-$178 million
    2014-$189 million
    2015-$189 million
    2016-$189 million

    For 2012 only, there are transition rates:

    1st time over threshold: 20 percent
    2nd time over threshold: 30 percent
    Third or subsequent time over threshold: 42.5 percent

    The following tax rates apply: starting in 2013:

    1st time over threshold: 17.5 percent
    2nd time over threshold: 30 percent
    3rd time over threshold: 40 percent
    4th or subsequent times over threshold: 50 percent
    A team that does not pay tax in a year that goes over the threshold in a subsequent year pays at 17.5 percent.

    Right now the Yankees pay 40%, and it will be 42.5% in 2012. 2013 they are going to pay 50%. They want to reset down to 17.5.

    So 2014 – 0 penalty + 10 mil
    2015 – 17.5
    2016 – 30
    2017 – 40
    2018 – reset etc

  123. Chip February 23rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    The one thing I will say about Cashman is that for a guy who has been in front of the NY media his entire professional career he’s certainly acting more like this is his first time at the rodeo.

    The whole “we weren’t trying to win the division in 2010″ is overblown nonsense, but he knew it would be when he said it – so why say it?

    Taking the Derek Jeter thing public was a war he knew he couldn’t win. 5 or 6 years ago he never would have gone there.

    The way he is acting out buyer’s remorse over every single deal he makes, free agent or trade…

    it just doesn’t make sense to me why he’s acting like this now.

  124. Tarheel In NYC February 23rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm

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    “BloggingBombers David Aardsma has been issued No. 34, ending speculation that the Yankees will retire it for A.J. Burnett.”

    =====================================================

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  125. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    “Yet another reason why he was the one to move.”

    You weren’t getting Michael Pineda for Romine though….

  126. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    I forgot that A-Rod’s contract runs through 2017. Terminally stupid.

  127. Rich in NJ February 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    blake

    Of course, which is fine, since I don’t think he was a need.

  128. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    “Of course, which is fine, since I don’t think he was a need.”

    Yea that’s the issue

  129. blake February 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all if before Cashman’s tenure with the Yankees is over he’s seen driving around the parking lot at YS with one of the WS trophies tied to the back of his car.

  130. yankeefeminista February 23rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Jerkface February 23rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    @BryanHoch

    #Yankees C Austin Romine has some back soreness. He might be held out of workouts tomorrow.

    I hope back trouble isnt going to be a recurring thing for Romine
    ____
    Let’s hope not, but it might be. He was beasting last year before the ASB but the two DL’s because of the concussion (19 games missed) and the sore back in August really hurt his second half numbers. First half he was @.295. I believe 6 HR’s, 36 RBI’s and his situational hitting was stellar.

  131. champ809 February 23rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    A Few Things

    ARod also hosted Eric Hosmer over to his house in Miami for his hitting clinic with K Long. ARod is many things but is a huge fan of the game and it’s great players as well.

    The media ( esp. the NY media ) are very adept at spinning a story to read how they want it to. Ca$h was actually saying that the Yanks prioritized health and rest heading into the playoffs over being the division winner in an effort to line everything up how they best saw fit. He didn’t say “we tanked the division” or anything close to that.

  132. Best To Ever Do It February 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Hopefully it’s not too serious with Romine.

  133. Bronx Jeers February 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Hughes will probably throw a handful of mediocre change ups and get the job like in 2010. I know we all want him to succeed but it’s hard keeping the faith.

    Pat M I so want you to be our leader on this one. :smile:

  134. pat February 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    m

    Maybe it’s the effect of NY sports talk radio but …… I could see NY fans saying we’re paying this guy alot of money to be “El Hombre” and he’s worried about insulting someone in St. Louis?

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