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Friday morning notes: Light day on the field

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 24, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The day position players report to spring training seems like it would be full of activity. The truth is, there’s more buzz than real action.

Players come and go in the clubhouse, and there’s a lot of activity, but not much actually happens. A few guys took swings in the cage, and some players were looking for someone to play catch on the field, but otherwise this has been the lightest day since camp opened.

No bullpens. Only a few catchers taking regular batting practice. Two guys threw live BP this morning.

Really, this day is more about getting everyone into camp. Tomorrow is when the real action begins.

As I finished writing this, Graham Stoneburner finished throwing live batting practice on the main field. What looked like the entire Yankees coaching staff stood watching. Cesar Cabral also threw live BP today.

Because I know you’re curious: Ray Kruml and Carmen Angelini were the minor leaguers brought up to hit in BP.

No bullpens were scheduled for today. Aside from Stoneburner and Cabral, this was basically a day off for the pitching staff. Guys played catch and worked out, but that’s it. Short, easy day.

Ivan Nova is on the schedule to throw live batting practice tomorrow. He’ll be the first of the big league starters to face hitters. Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, David Phelps, D.J. Mitchell and Kevin Whelan are also scheduled to throw BP.

Only two hitting groups — all catchers – were scheduled to take regular batting practice today. As expected, Austin Romine has the day off.

Group 1: Jose Gil, Kyle Higashioka, Gary Sanchez, J.R. Murphy
Group 2: Gustavo Molina, Francisco Cervelli, Russell Martin

 
 

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139 Responses to “Friday morning notes: Light day on the field”

  1. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Two things:

    1. On Girardi’s comments about guys like Nix, Branyan, Hall, Dickerson or Maxwell making the roster:

    Lip service. We all know that the roster is set, he knows the roster is set, the players know the roster is set…but he has to say that everyone has a chance so someone like Nunez doesn’t take for granted that he’s on the roster – really Nunez is the only position player who has a shot of not making the 25.

    2. On Ryan Braun:

    Where to begin? First of all we all have to recognize that there’s a difference between being innocent and just not being found guilty. As an extreme example – OJ was found not guilty, but no one believes he is innocent. Braun isn’t getting suspended because MLB screwed up – that is not the same as Braun being exonerated because he didn’t do steroids. His test was still positive. The fact that the sealed container was held longer than it should have been doesn’t change that fact. The steroid levels didn’t magically appear because the urine wasn’t tested right away. The seals were all intact, nothing was tampered with…Ryan Braun did steroids, but by the letter of the law, the decision yesterday was the right one.

    If I was a clean player I would be furious with the system right now. I look forward to Braun hitting .260 with 18 homeruns and the apologists saying it is because Prince Fielder isn’t on the team anymore.

  2. Crawdaddy February 24th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    By the way, based on BA rankings, the Astros acquired their two top prospects from Philly in the Pence deal.

  3. Yankee Trader February 24th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    MTU and Blake-

    Maybe you can find a replacement midseason from a team likely out of the race. It would have to be for a player whose contract would fit within the Parameters of being under the 2014 threshold.

    I don’t expect the Reds to be out of the running, but let’s say they are. Votto’s salary is 17M in 2013, before he hits FA. The Reds, if they are intent on extending him, might have to part with another player. Looking at RF’er lefty,Jay Bruce and his contract:
    12:$5M, 13:$7.5M, 14:$10M, 15:$12M, 16:$12.5M, 17:$13M club option ($1M buyout).

    Maybe they would want Swisher midseason and the rest of his expiring contract so that they can work an extension for Votto.

    The kicker is do the Yankees want a 12-13M RF’er on the payroll 2015 thru 2017. Would they be more likely to trade Granderson in 2013 and have one of their prime prospects take over-Mason Williams?

    Just a rambling thought.

  4. Yankee Trader February 24th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Maine-

    When Jenks signed his consent form, I’m sure the surgeon discussed the possibility of spinal fluid leak, although uncommen, is still a potential consequence after spinal surgery.

  5. MTU February 24th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    YT-

    Response in previous thread.

    ;)

  6. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Is it almost time for the State of the Jeter address? ;)

  7. Yankee Trader February 24th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Chip-

    I don’t know what to think about Braun. Here’s a player who has been consistent since he came up with the Brewers as a 23 yo in 2007.
    He has been tested multiple times, all clean, and then tests for an “off the charts” testosterone level. The test is not sent off immediately per MLB guidelines/rules, sits in a refrig overnight because Fedex is not open on a Saturday. Something is “fishy.”

  8. blake February 24th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    “Do they bridge to a guy like him, or try to solve the the problem now ?,

    Probably depends on a lot of things…money, what’s available…..and how fast guys like Mason Williams progress.

  9. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    In honor of it being Oscar weekend…

    E_Lipsman Rain here today makes me wish I was in Tampa. One of my best times in Spring Training was with @BillyCrystal in 2008. http://twitter.com/E_Lipsman/s.....24/photo/1

  10. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Yankee Trader February 24th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Chip-

    I don’t know what to think about Braun. Here’s a player who has been consistent since he came up with the Brewers as a 23 yo in 2007.
    He has been tested multiple times, all clean, and then tests for an “off the charts” testosterone level. The test is not sent off immediately per MLB guidelines/rules, sits in a refrig overnight because Fedex is not open on a Saturday. Something is “fishy.”
    ——————-

    There’s nothing fishy here. The guy who collected the samples is an idiot for not knowing that he could send it FedEx on Saturday and MLB is stupid for scheduling tests on the weekend.

    The seals were not tampered with and, to the best of my knowledge, Braun and his representatives never argued that the test was wrong. They argued that the sample was improperly handled as per the CBA. “I’m not saying I didn’t kill that man your honor, I’m saying that the police had no right to come into my apartment and find the murder weapon”

  11. Best To Ever Do It February 24th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Was Lin a PG in college?

    I haven’t seen him play much but what I have he seems like he would be better at SG.

    ————————————————————-
    Yes

    Lin can’t play shooting guard. Him being a true point is what turned things around for the Knicks.

  12. MTU February 24th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    blake-

    yup. On all of those things.

    We know money is tight.

    FA class sucks.

    Trade is a possibility.

    The “for who” is the question ?

    Guess we’ll find out later in the year.

    more info. will be available then.

    ;)

  13. pat February 24th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    CDickerson_PFTP
    Physicals this morning. Is is bad that i Took my urine test and then asked for the #FedEx tracking number? #exonerated

  14. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    CDickerson_PFTP Chris Dickerson
    Physicals this morning. Is is bad that i Took my urine test and then asked for the #FedEx tracking number? #exonerated

  15. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    The Braun thing is one of those situations where what you believe will be determined by what your perception already is re: steroids in MLB.

    Personally, I think he did them. I’m sure he’ll do them again. I’m sure he’ll get away with it. And I’m even more certain he isn’t the only one. But a lot of that is just because I’ve been cynical about baseball’s drug testing program since it’s been instituted. (Disclaimer: Would a big part of me like to believe he didn’t do them? Absolutely.)

    MLB really needs to get their act together. For an institution with so many resources, the mishandling of samples should never be an issue. It is MLB that does the testing, right? Or do they have an independent company conduct the testing?

  16. Joe from Long Island February 24th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    alex has his pc tomorrow? i wonder if he’ll be asked his opinion of the braun affair?

    can you imagine the uproar if it was alex who was in braun’s shoes, and got off on a technicality?

  17. 86w183 February 24th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Lin is not a true point guard… he wasn’t in college and he wasn’t in the D-League. He’s just such a HUGE improvement over what the Knicks had that it made the team a whole lot better.

    Look at his turnovers.. WAY too high for a true point guard.

    As for Ryan Braun… he’ll be viewed as tainted by the same people who assume Clemens and others were using. The protocol argument is crap in terms of drug testing. Leaving a sample in a tupperware bowl will not magically make testosterone appear. It works as a LEGAL strategy, but it doesnt make any common sense .

    Further proof (are there’s mountains of it) that baseball’s arbitrator is TOTALLY committed to the players association.

  18. Ys Guy February 24th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    why not wait and see what braun has to say today. he said yesterday that the appeal was the ‘first step’ toward regaining his name, so apparently there is more. just because his representatives appealed because of improper procedure, that doesn’t mean he accepts that the sample was his. the lawyers concentrated on their best chance at getting the test overturned and they won. nothing else is implied because they took that track.

    let the man speak before you condemn him.

  19. DONNYBROOK February 24th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Yesterday, I compared Braun The Boy Scout and his chain-of-possession defense to OJ. That stands today, and is gonna stand\haunt him the remainder of his on-field days. At least guys like A-Rod and Giambi, (sort of), admitted their transgression and took the seemingly endless public flogging like a man. Braun on the other hand, continues hiding behind lawyers and legal mumbo-jumbo, while simultaneously collecting better than $20 Mill yearly, and clutching at that NL MVP trophy like Gollum and The One Ring. We have all heard the question, “Are you a Man or a Mouse”? The answer here is obvious.

  20. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Yankee Trader February 24th, 2012 at 9:36 am
    Maine-

    When Jenks signed his consent form, I’m sure the surgeon discussed the possibility of spinal fluid leak, although uncommen, is still a potential consequence after spinal surgery.

    ——————————————————————-

    Just going on what I’ve read it sounds like the surgeon did a poor job as to why the spinal fluid leaked.

  21. Yankee Trader February 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Pat-

    Good one.

    Chip-

    How do you explain the extremely high testosterone level? That’s the part that’s “fishy” to me.

    MTU and Blake-

    I read yesterday where Martin’s agent want to work with the Yankees in trying to extend him, yet still stay within the Yankees goal of trying to stay within the new CBA LT threshold. That statement confirms my belief that the Yankees are intent on staying below 189M in 2014 and possibly beyond thru 2016.

    I actually hope that the Yankees are able to work out a reasonable deal with Granderson and have him on board in 2014.

  22. Best To Ever Do It February 24th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    86w183 February 24th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Lin is not a true point guard… he wasn’t in college and he wasn’t in the D-League. He’s just such a HUGE improvement over what the Knicks had that it made the team a whole lot better.

    Look at his turnovers.. WAY too high for a true point guard.

    ————————————–

    This is his first yr playing mins he’s never played before. I expect him to cut the turnovers way down next season.

  23. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Shame –

    I agree that Braun not being suspended is on MLB – not on the arbiter or on Braun. If I was in his shoes I would have exploited the technicality too.

    For the record – I’m not angry he’s not serving a suspension. I’m angry that there are those who believe and are espousing that because he’s not serving a suspension means he didn’t do steroids. He did them, the evidence is there…this isn’t a case where we have to try and deduce if he did them or not – we know he did them.

    The most frustrating thing is that the same people who are holding Bagwell out of the Hall of Fame because they suspect he might have done them (with no evidence at all to back it up) are the ones who are proclaiming Braun free and clear.

  24. Deal With It February 24th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Joe from Long Island February 24th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    ————

    Someone should ball up and ask him if he feels he is performing up the the value of his massive contract. Don’t studder with your answer ARod………………

  25. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Joe- yeah, I can’t imagine that Alex won’t be asked about it.

  26. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Yankee Trader February 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Chip-

    How do you explain the extremely high testosterone level? That’s the part that’s “fishy” to me.

    ——————–

    Simple. He took a lot of steroids.

  27. Ys Guy February 24th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    how is braun hiding behind anything? he waited for the appeals process to work out and now he’s going to talk today about what happened. is it necessary to condemn him before he has a chance to give his side of the story? is waiting a few hours and considering both sides of the story a problem?

    i think if you were the accused, you might want people to consider your side of the story.

  28. 86w183 February 24th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Joe — great point — national NEWS networks would make A-Road getting off on a technicality the lead story.

    Personally I have never cared about PED use and never will except in terms of educating youth about the dangers inherent in using them. The reason is simple — the moment any substance gets banned the scientific community immediately goes to work on how to mask it and how to develop “legal” substances that accomplish the same things.

    It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to make sports clean unless you are prepared to quarantine all athletes 24/7 and regulate all of their foods, medicines and supplements.

  29. Ys Guy February 24th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    “The most frustrating thing is that the same people who are holding Bagwell out of the Hall of Fame because they suspect he might have done them (with no evidence at all to back it up) are the ones who are proclaiming Braun free and clear.”

    =======================

    who specifically are you referring to here?

  30. austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Chip,

    The Braun test didn’t faile for misspelling or milabeling or some innocuous reason. The test has protocol that has been determined to be be required for the test to have reliabilty. If the protocol didn’t matter, it wouldn’t have been required.

    They didn’t follow it causing the test results to be suspect. End of story.

    If any of us is ever accused of wrongdoing and DNA testing is involved, I would insist they do it correctly. So would you because you might be wrongfully accused.

    Braun is not guilty of anything. The arbitrators said so.

  31. djsunyc February 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    poor poor derek – welcom to the world of male pattern balding…only a matter of time his hairline will start in the middle of his head like jerry rice :)

  32. 86w183 February 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Best to Ever Do It — I agree.. Lin is totally gassed. I hope he continues to improve into the future

  33. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    CDickerson_PFTP Chris Dickerson
    Physicals this morning. Is is bad that i Took my urine test and then asked for the #FedEx tracking number? #exonerated
    ———————————–

    Hehehehehehehe.. I really like Dickerson.

  34. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Joelsherman1 Jeter wearing t-shirt that says “THE GREATEST” and yes the pic is of Ali not Jeremy Lin #Yankees

  35. MTU February 24th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    YT-

    If Martin wants to sign a team-friendly contract early so be it.

    If he wants big numbers it would seem to make sense to wait.

    There may be other options later on.

    As far as 2104 Cap. You bet. I think they are dead serious about it.

  36. DONNYBROOK February 24th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    With the depth of young Yankee catchers on the way, and the $189\2014 on the horizon, why would the Yanks commit to Martin for 3 yrs? I could see Maybe 2 yrs with a Yankee\Mutual Option for the 3rd year. I definitely do Not see the Yanks signing both Martin and Granderson and still being able to adhere to the $189 figure. Getting Cano re-signed, is gonna hamstring any Yankee thoughts of getting both Martin and Granderson to sign new contracts.

  37. BD (Boston Dave) February 24th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    I have no interest in accusing Braun of intentionally cheating. Maybe he took something he wasn’t aware of.

    But he failed the test and was lucky that someone else failed to do their job.

    Hope he stays clean from now on and hope players realize that the Fed Ex issue won’t happen again.

    Now they need to implement better testing and make sure this crap is a thing of the past.

  38. pat February 24th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Joe

    If asked, Alex should say, “The best thing he can do is come out, admit to everything and be completely honest. The situation will die a lot faster if he tells the whole truth.”

    That was the advice Braun told reporters he would give Alex in 2009.

  39. Doc Iac February 24th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    BD (Boston Dave) February 24th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    I have no interest in accusing Braun of intentionally cheating. Maybe he took something he wasn’t aware of.

    —-

    im a normal person who works out alot, i know everything i take and make sure there is no test boost, and i dont get tested, ur tellin me a professional athlete doesnt know what he’s takin? sorry i dont buy it

  40. Yankee Trader February 24th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    I’ve got to go. As always I enjoy the feedback from all of you.

    Here’s an interesting article from RABs today, that might stir up some debate.

    http://riveraveblues.com/

    Will check back later. Have a great day.

  41. Tackelberry February 24th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    WOW! Carmen Angelini is in DA House?

  42. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Ys Guy February 24th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    “The most frustrating thing is that the same people who are holding Bagwell out of the Hall of Fame because they suspect he might have done them (with no evidence at all to back it up) are the ones who are proclaiming Braun free and clear.”

    =======================

    who specifically are you referring to here?
    ———————

    Heyman and Buster are the two I’ve seen thus far.

  43. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    DavidWaldstein Derek Jeter says will play as long as he feels capable of playing at a high level and having fun. Says both of those conditions still exist.

  44. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    MTU February 24th, 2012 at 10:06 am
    YT-

    If Martin wants to sign a team-friendly contract early so be it.

    If he wants big numbers it would seem to make sense to wait.

    There may be other options later on.

    As far as 2104 Cap. You bet. I think they are dead serious about it.
    ———————————————————

    I know the Yankees plan ahead but that’s a bit too far. :lol:

  45. Best To Ever Do It February 24th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    86w183 February 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Best to Ever Do It — I agree.. Lin is totally gassed. I hope he continues to improve into the future

    ————————————

    Oh yea he was on fumes last night. The pgs on the Heat went into a full court press on Lin the minute the game started. It was clear what their plan was.

  46. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    The most frustrating thing is that the same people who are holding Bagwell out of the Hall of Fame because they suspect he might have done them (with no evidence at all to back it up) are the ones who are proclaiming Braun free and clear.

    This is kind of a lohud fallacy. MOST of the people who are holding Bagwell out of the Hall of Fame will probably do the same to Braun based on the same nonsense. MOST of the people who wrote articles exonerating Braun also wrote articles criticizing their colleagues re: Bagwell, like Craig Calcaterra

  47. austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    I think they should drastically cut salaries in 2104, but leave them alone until then. I believe I will care less and blog less by then.

    Braun is free and clear. It is disappointing those who are usually reasoned posters claim to know more than the arbitrators who heard the evidence, and decided the test wasn’t scientifically reliable. How in the world should should someone be suspended for such a test?

    Due process people. Their is a reason for it. It is called freedom.

  48. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Chip,

    The Braun test didn’t faile for misspelling or milabeling or some innocuous reason. The test has protocol that has been determined to be be required for the test to have reliabilty. If the protocol didn’t matter, it wouldn’t have been required.

    They didn’t follow it causing the test results to be suspect. End of story.

    If any of us is ever accused of wrongdoing and DNA testing is involved, I would insist they do it correctly. So would you because you might be wrongfully accused.

    Braun is not guilty of anything. The arbitrators said so.

    ———————–

    A) No, the arbitrators didn’t say Braun wasn’t guilty – their verdict says that Braun shouldn’t be suspended – which I agree with. MLB screwed the pooch and it’s their fault that he is getting off. But the argument wasn’t that Braun didn’t do steroids, it was that the sample should have been discarded.

    Read what the Union said: “Today the arbitration panel announced its decision, by a 2-1 vote, to sustain Ryan Braun’s grievance challenging his 50-game suspension by the commissioner’s office,” a statement from the players’ association said.

    If there was any notion that the test was wrong – they would have been right out in front saying that. But instead they went with the fact that Braun’s side challenge of the suspension was sustained…not that he wasn’t guilty, just that he shouldn’t face punishment.

    From the Washington Times:

    During the hearing, Braun’s side challenged the chain of custody from the time the urine sample was collected by Comprehensive Drug Testing Inc. to when it was sent nearly 48 hours later to a World Anti-Doping Agency-certified laboratory in Montreal, two people familiar with the case said.

    His side didn’t challenge the results of the test, just the fact that the sample wasn’t handled according to MLB guidelines.

  49. Ys Guy February 24th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    “The most frustrating thing is that the same people who are holding Bagwell out of the Hall of Fame because they suspect he might have done them (with no evidence at all to back it up) are the ones who are proclaiming Braun free and clear.”

    =======================

    who specifically are you referring to here?
    ———————

    Heyman and Buster are the two I’ve seen thus far.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    buster was in favor of bagwell in the hall and wrote a column about other people holding suspicion of steroid use against him. so you can cross him off that list. that took me 20 seconds to find. not going to waste time on heyman
    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb.....%3d7445725

  50. MTU February 24th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Maine-

    I’ve been down for the count the last week or so.

    Just trying to get back into the swing of things.

    ;)

  51. dogface February 24th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    With the depth of young Yankee catchers on the way, and the $189\2014 on the horizon, why would the Yanks commit to Martin for 3 yrs?

    ==============================================

    Sanchez and/or Murphy aren’t likely to be ready for MLB catcher’s duty in 2014, if ever. If anything, this indicates the Yankees have some concerns about whether Romine can be the everyday catcher on this team.

  52. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Justin Morneau sounds like he is going to hang them up due to his concussion. Always said this could be the end of his career, concussions suck.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......f-so-long/

  53. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    BryanHoch What’s playing on @NickSwisher ‘s iPod? James Brown, “Get Up”

  54. Ys Guy February 24th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    wow, really bad news about morneau, he was terrific until the concussion problems.

  55. austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Again, the reason the so-called positive result was not allowed was it was not done properly. Of course, improperly handled specimins, by definition, may not be considered nor should they.

    I have no particular love for Braun and would say the same thing if it had been Ortiz.

    I strongly believe the arbitrators did not believe the test could be considered reliable since it was not stored in a way to preserve it’s integrity. I am not a scientist, but I bet scientist(s)testified in the arbitration it could no longer be trusted as accurate. We, on this board, likely don’t have that scientific knowledge.

  56. Ys Guy February 24th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    proper proceedure is only ‘a technicality’ when applied to someone else….

  57. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    MTU February 24th, 2012 at 10:31 am
    Maine-

    I’ve been down for the count the last week or so.

    Just trying to get back into the swing of things.

    ————————————————-

    I couldn’t resist :yankingyourchain:

  58. pat February 24th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    “I strongly believe the arbitrators did not believe the test could be considered reliable ”

    Maybe but that”s not what they were being asked to make a ruling of.

    Braun’s camp challenged chain of command and not accuracy or reliability of the test so only chain of command should have been factored into the decision.

  59. dogface February 24th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Justin Morneau sounds like he is going to hang them up due to his concussion. Always said this could be the end of his career, concussions suck

    ==========================================

    Very sad.

  60. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    eboland11 Cano on batting third: “third, fifth, sixth…you always have to produce.”

  61. Ys Guy February 24th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    chain of command is where your sargeant gets to call you a maggot and and all you can do is go complain to the captain and listen to him laugh…

    chain of custody is what they challenged to the appeals board.

  62. MTU February 24th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Maine-

    Yank away, so to speak.

    I’ll almost 100 % again.

    I can deal with it.

    Just remember the law of eternal return.

    ;)

  63. dogface February 24th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    chain of command is where your sargeant gets to call you a maggot and and all you can do is go complain to the captain and listen to him laugh

    =============================

    ‘Cept in Baltimore, where the chain of command is what Peter Angelos uses to beat his employees.

  64. austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    That is a real shame about Morneau. I do believe the Yankees had real concern about Posada last year as some of his cognitive testing apparently still showed some problems. You can be sure they are watching Cervelli closely. I suspect, but don’t know, that you are more prone to concussions after you have had one. Does anyone know if that is true?

  65. Irreverent Discourse February 24th, 2012 at 10:52 am

    austinmac Certainly true, you can’t un-crack an egg :)

  66. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    “If there was any notion that the test was wrong – they would have been right out in front saying that.”

    Ummmm….

    Ryan Braun: “It’s BS.”

    Spokesperson “There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan’s complete innocence and demonstrate there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program,”

    “His side didn’t challenge the results of the test, just the fact that the sample wasn’t handled according to MLB guidelines.”

    This is when lawyering confuses people. There was no winning strategy in mounting a “I didn’t do it, I swear” defense, whether that is true or not. MAINTAINING his innocence didn’t present a path to favorable ruling, due to the nature of the policy.

    He has declared and maintained his innocence and his strategy worked. These are two DIIFFERENT things and the fact they are difference doesn’t neceessarily negate one.

  67. austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Chain of custody and proper storage are essential elements in any scientific study, such as drug testing blood testing. The reason is a real one. Absent proper procedures, it is no longer scienticially reliable. That is why they have the mandatory protocol.

  68. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    MTU February 24th, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Maine-

    Yank away, so to speak.

    I’ll almost 100 % again.

    I can deal with it.

    Just remember the law of eternal return
    —————————————————

    You’ll have to go easy on me for awile. I slipped on the ice a month ago and cracked some ribs.

    You know it’s nice to be kind to the infirm. :D :

  69. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    “that you are more prone to concussions after you have had one. Does anyone know if that is true?”

    That’s absolutely true.

  70. MTU February 24th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Maine-

    Sorry to hear that. Hope you are healing well.

    I hope Mrs. Maine is spoon-feeding you plenty of clam chowder.

    :)

  71. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    If they did testing here I know there are some I wouldn’t trust alone with my sample.

    Isn’t that right randy? :D :

  72. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Chain of custody and proper storage are essential elements in any scientific study, such as drug testing blood testing.

    ————————-

    Now if we could just get them to actually do blood tests..

  73. austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Shame,

    That certainly doesn’t provide much optimism for Cervelli as he will get lots of 95mph foul balls rattling his brain.

  74. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    If they did testing here I know there are some I wouldn’t trust alone with my sample.

    Isn’t that right randy? :D :
    ————————

    Omg, is there a blood test for crazy?!

  75. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    MTU February 24th, 2012 at 10:59 am
    Maine-

    Sorry to hear that. Hope you are healing well.

    I hope Mrs. Maine is spoon-feeding you plenty of clam chowder.

    ———————————————————–

    She makes a good private nurse.

    I prefer fish chowda.

  76. austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Shame,

    Isn’t blood testing part of the new CBA or did they just agree to study the effectiveness of it?

  77. Yank 97 February 24th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    MLB should just do away with drug testing altogether. People are still going to think Braun did it and whenever someone hits a lot of HRs like Bautista, Ellsbury, etc. people will say they are on something anyway. When someone gets a positive test, they can always point out to another technicality in the testing that muddied a clean test

    Do away with drug testing

  78. Ys Guy February 24th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    again i will say that baseball should have addressed the ‘collision at the plate’ issue this offseason, directing enforcement of the rule that says a player (catcher) can’t block the base when not in possession of the ball. they should also have added a rule that any unnecessary contact with the catcher by a runner coming home results in that runner being called out.

    the posey injury last year should have pushed them to protect the players from injuries cause by these collisions, but baseball’s plate was full this offseason and it slipped by.

    someone is going to be hurt even worse than posey was last year before something is done and thats no good. considering what has been learned about concussions, this is a necessary thing to do, and it will be done at some point, the only question is how many more serious injuries are going to happen in collisions at the plate until the problem is addressed.

  79. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    If they did testing here I know there are some I wouldn’t trust alone with my sample.

    Isn’t that right randy? :
    ————————

    Omg, is there a blood test for crazy?!

    ——————————————————

    No test is needed. :D :

  80. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    austin – Too true. Concussions are a real threat in almost every sport, it seems. Its a hard thing to approach from a league perspective because medical people still don’t know as much about them as they’d like. I sort of hate to say it, but I feel like if Cervelli was a legit prospect they would be much more careful with him.

    Shame about Justin Morneau. I still don’t like him for winning that MVP award but it sucks to watch good players go out that way. I love hockey and generally hate Sidney Crosby, but watching great players go out that way is even worse.

  81. JCPD February 24th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    It’s time for baseball………AMEN

    http://gallery.me.com/dakota1369#100146

  82. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Ys Guy

    They also need to do away with foultips.

  83. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    “She makes a good private nurse.

    I prefer fish chowda.”

    Serious double entendre.

    Austin – I don’t think they’re testing blood, though others on here would know more about the new CBA than I would. The fact that they haven’t had blood tests for this entire ‘drug testing program’ sort of negates the effectiveness in my opinion. Its been a weak systems since its implementation.

  84. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Shame

    I love hockey and generally hate Sidney Crosby, but watching great players go out that way is even worse.
    —————————————————————————

    Do I dare ask what you think of the big bad Bruins? :lol:

    I think I can guess.

  85. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Look – by and large I assume everyone in baseball is doing something to get ahead.

    I didn’t care that Giambi did steroids – I cared that he stopped after he came to the Yankees and his game went to poop. But if professional athletes want to shrink their junk and shorten their lives, that’s their deal. I don’t know any of them, don’t break bread with any of them and don’t have a vested interest in their well-being after they are done entertaining me. The same holds true for the actors and actresses who do steroids.

    What bothers me, what annoys the heck out of me, is if you’re going to blast Manny or Bonds or Clemens for doing steroids – don’t hold back on Braun because he’s a nice guy and don’t try to sell us a load of tripe that this ruling changes the fact that he did the steroids.

  86. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Austin – I don’t think they’re testing blood, though others on here would know more about the new CBA than I would. The fact that they haven’t had blood tests for this entire ‘drug testing program’ sort of negates the effectiveness in my opinion. Its been a weak systems since its implementation.

    Blood testing just began this spring, or atleast seeing if its viable. I read an article yesterday where players were throwing up because they were taking 8 vials of blood in spring. Most said they would not allow testing during the season, as they did not like the feeling of giving blood and some didnt feel right for up to 12 hours.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....53224890/1

  87. Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “and don’t try to sell us a load of tripe that this ruling changes the fact that he did the steroids.”

    The chain of custody issue destroys the factual claim of the test result. There is no “fact”. and if you insist there is then you aren’t interested in the facts, just having your biases confirmed.

    As the Queen of Hearts said, “sentence first – verdict afterwards.”

  88. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    http://audio.weei.com/hosting/.....c-weei.mp3

    Will Carroll talking about how the defense team showed the break in chain of custody caused the sample to go bad.

  89. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    PhilHughes65 @CC_Sabathia pumped about his new kicks like a little kid #sick http://twitter.com/PhilHughes6.....68/photo/1

  90. LGY February 24th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    @BrettAnderson49: Manny just asked if I was the video coordinator…our relationship can only go up from here.

  91. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Jerkface

    Wasn’t blood testing put in place to test for HGH?

    I thought I remembered some were surprised they got the union to accept that.

  92. Best To Ever Do It February 24th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    CC has the foams

  93. pat February 24th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    eboland11 Cano on batting third: “third, fifth, sixth…you always have to produce.”

    A+ for Cano on being able to see the landmine and sidestepping it by leaving “fourth” off the list.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock February 24th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    LGY February 24th, 2012 at 11:25 am
    @BrettAnderson49: Manny just asked if I was the video coordinator…our relationship can only go up from here.
    ////

    LOFL. I see Manny’s still Manny.

  95. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “and don’t try to sell us a load of tripe that this ruling changes the fact that he did the steroids.”

    I saying I don’t know if he did steroids, and because I don’t know and people much more informed than me has cast doubt on the process upon which people think he did steroids, I give him the benefit of the doubt.

    This is what this issue comes down to – the discomfort with the simple idea that most of us don’t really know much. We want to believe we can make solid conclusions about the world and people and know facts from far away and its a shame.

    I don’t know a whole lot about anything and the basis in which I have to try to draw conclusion are often tainted with the bias of those wanting me to draw a certain conclusion.

    Once you reconcile yourself with this simple premise, the world begins to make a lot more sense.

  96. DONNYBROOK February 24th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    - FANTASY BASEBALL QUESTION -

    Inna H2H,5X5,Mixed League, would you give up Carl Crawford for A-Rod straight-up?????

  97. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    “and don’t try to sell us a load of tripe that this ruling changes the fact that he did the steroids.”

    The chain of custody issue destroys the factual claim of the test result. There is no “fact”. and if you insist there is then you aren’t interested in the facts, just having your biases confirmed.

    As the Queen of Hearts said, “sentence first – verdict afterwards.”
    —————-

    Chain of custody wasn’t broken though. The collector had the results locked up. They were still sealed when he sent them. So unless the steroids were beamed into Braun’s urine sample from the Enterprise I don’t see what the problem is.

    Again, even Braun’s side didn’t claim that he didn’t do the steroids, just that the specimen wasn’t handled in accordance with the way the CBA was written.

  98. Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    “The collector had the results locked up. They were still sealed when he sent them. So unless the steroids were beamed into Braun’s urine sample from the Enterprise I don’t see what the problem is. ”

    You don’t know that. Only the collector does, and in fact he might not even know. That’s the point of chain of custody procedure. It is an inseparable part of the testing process.

  99. jpmatrixfan88 February 24th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    - Chip

    Giambi had some solid years even after the steroid use.

    And I also highly doubt Braun’s numbers are noticeably affected this year. I would bet that he will hit 30+ HRs this year, barring injury or any other unforeseen circumstance.

  100. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    “Again, even Braun’s side didn’t claim that he didn’t do the steroids,”

    _____________

    Ryan Braun: “It’s BS.”

    Spokesperson “There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan’s complete innocence and demonstrate there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program,”

    Why are you ignoring that?

  101. DONNYBROOK February 24th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    - CHIP -
    I agree with you. Braun’s numbers are gonna fall, revealing the Emperor has no clothes.

  102. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    “Do I dare ask what you think of the big bad Bruins? :lol:

    Ahhhhh Boston, Boston, Boston… those guys are really having a tough time of it lately, aren’t they? In fact, I think my Devils have more points than they do.. but the slotting for playoff positions in the NHL is probably one of the worst devised systems ever.

  103. jpmatrixfan88 February 24th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Donny –

    Tough call on the fantasy baseball thing. I think both guys will have better years than last year. But Crawford has that extra element of speed in his game and is a better bet to stay healthy IMO. Also, he had a decent second half last year if I am not mistaken.

  104. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    dannyburawa danny burawa
    Now that position players are here this is really a surreal experience. Every direction I look I see an all star or hall of famer.

    dannyburawa danny burawa
    I seriously need to make it to the show soon so this can be my life every day for the next 15 years.

  105. pat February 24th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Twitterverse impressed by bombs Manny is hitting in BP

  106. LGY February 24th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Braun Decision: Why Ensuring A Proper Chain Of Custody Matters

    http://mobile.mlb.sbnation.com.....dy-matters

  107. G. Love February 24th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Here’s how I feel about Ryan Braun’s “not guilty”. I got a parking ticket in NYC for $115. They towed my car too which cost me another $185.00 and a huge headache. When I looked at the parking ticket after picking up my car at the tow yard I saw on the ticket my license plate was wrong by a number.

    I fought the ticket based on that and got it dismissed and got my $185.00 back for the towing.

    Did I park illegally? Absolutely. The area I parked in turned into a taxi stand at 10pm and I was about 10 minutes late to get my car and it was gone. It was my fault the car got towed and ticketed because I was late.

    Did I beat the ticket on a technicality? Yup.

    That’s what Braun did. Clearly he took something that was illegal and he is now innocent because of a technicality. That doesn’t eliminate the fact he did something wrong in the first place whether it was an accident or intentional.

  108. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “Ryan Braun: “It’s BS.”

    Spokesperson “There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan’s complete innocence and demonstrate there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program,””

    …Doesn’t look like anyone is saying he didn’t take steroids though. He said ‘its bs.’ Well.. he could mean ‘it’ as in the testing chain of custody. Also, the spokesperson cites ‘unusual circumstances’ which will support his ‘complete innocence’…. at no point saying that Braun did not take steroids, just that there were ‘unusual circumstances’ which will ‘support [his] innocence.’ Those ‘unusual circumstances’ could be referring to anything from him not ingesting steroids to the testing process.

    I’m not citing this as proof for one argument over another, because my argument is that using their statements proves nothing by way of true innocence or guilt.

  109. austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Of course Braun and his side said he didn’t do steroids. He has said it ever since the leak.

    Chip, you are usually a reasonable person. They have a scientific process to ensure a proper test. They didn’t do it, and therefore the arbitrators concluded thaey couldn’t safely say he did steroids. Yes, that was the basis of the decision.

  110. Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    “Doesn’t look like anyone is saying he didn’t take steroids though.”

    What part of “will support Ryan’s complete innocence” didn’t you understand?

  111. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    G Love- great post

  112. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    G. Love,

    Here is what I think about what you think.

    If you ever get accused of a serious crime, I hope your lawyers are smart enough to look for every violation procedural technicality they can find, because it’s hopelessly naive to think ‘all you need is the truth.’

    If I’m ever in that position, I’ll be happy to get off any which way there is. Justice will have been done in the end.

    Braun having his suspension overturned on a technicality doesn’t necessarily mean the truth wasn’t also on his side, but you’re tying to argue the two are mutually exclusive – he got off on a procedural technicality, so therefore he must have really done it.

    That’s just BAD THINKING.

  113. austinmac February 24th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    My last word on Braun. Under our criminal justice sysem and the MLB system we are innocent until proven guilty. MLb had every opportunity to prove it at a hearing. The one’s who heard the evidence did not believe they could rely on it.

    Thank goodness accusations and bad testing are insufficient in our world.

    Anyone who thinks it should be reversed, their are many places who do it that way. Bet, no one would like those systems.

  114. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “I’m not citing this as proof for one argument over another, because my argument is that using their statements proves nothing by way of true innocence or guilt.”

    Of course it doesn’t. All is does it show that Braun has in fact said he’s innocent, a “fact” Chip seems ignorant of.

  115. pat February 24th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    See the new #Yankees spring training photos at http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.3532407

  116. Erin February 24th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    AdamMcCalvy Adam McCalvy
    http://MLB.com is planning to carry Ryan Braun’s press conference live at noon CT.

  117. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “See the new #Yankees spring training photos at http://www.newsday.com/sports/…..-1.3532407″

    Wow, everyone is in the best shape of their lives…

  118. pat February 24th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    “The one’s who heard the evidence….”

    Really comes down to 1 person since MLB and the Union’s votes made up 2/3 of a 3 person panel and they were likely going to side with who signs their paycheck.

  119. G. Love February 24th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Um Stuckey? If you read my post I said he clearly did something wrong whether he did by ACCIDENT or on purpose. His positive test would not have happened if there wasn’t something in his urine.

    If I speed by accident and get caught or I’m shooting a crossbow in my back yard and slip and hit my neighbor in the head does the fact I did it by accident make the act of doing something wrong not count?

    Yes, if I ever commit a major crime I will hope my attorney gets me off on a technicality. Still, if I do it, I did it. Braun did something. Whether intentional or accidental he did it.

    If Tex had this happen or Cano I could only imagine how the media pundits would be crucifying them but since it’s nice sweet middle American Ryan Braun everyone was pointing fingers at the presumption of guilt many had when this was released.

    Braun did something wrong. His testosterone levels were abnormal for a human being. Unless you’re asserting that the person handling his test kept a vial of testosterone on his person and dumped it into the urine there’s pretty much no other defense of whether he took something that was considered performance enhancing by baseball.

  120. randy l. February 24th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “But again, it’s not a bad thing that he’s gone now. I get an opportunity.”

    http://www.lohud.com/article/2.....=obnetwork

    someone needs to talk to romine about this.

    the reporter’s next question should have been ” would it also not be a bad thing if cervelli gets another concussion and you get an opportunity?”.

    a player should ever think that misfortune to a teammate helps him. the really good players never even let this enter into their mind.

    i remember getting reprimanded by carl taylor when he was the yankees#1 pre game BP pitcher during the mattingly/boggs years. finishing a pre season workout i made a joke to him to trip the yankees bullpen catcher so i could get a chance at the job. he stopped in his tracks and read me the riot act. he basically said don’t even joke about stuff like that. don’t let it even enter into your mind.

    i know this will seem like no big deal to some who will think its just human nature. actually on almost any team there are players everyone know roots against others on the team. it’s a cancer that grows on a team and needs to be nipped in the bud before it spreads to others.

    it sounded like some of this inner rooting against each other caused part of the problems with the red sox last summer. girardi should have a sit down with romine and read him that same riot act that carl taylor read me.

    if romine doesn’t get the message strong and clear, the yankees should move him to some team that isn’t interested in winning .

  121. DONNYBROOK February 24th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    - fan88 -
    Thanks for the Fantasy opinion.

  122. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    “If you read my post I said he clearly did something wrong whether he did by ACCIDENT or on purpose. His positive test would not have happened if there wasn’t something in his urine.”

    G. Love, why do you think there is procedure in the first when it comes to handling test specimens?

    Is it because a sample must be taken, handled and tested in a specific way in order to endure correct results?

    How is the VERY purpose of having standard procedure being ignored as irrelevant?

    “Unless you’re asserting that the person handling his test kept a vial of testosterone on his person and dumped it into the urine there’s pretty much no other defense of whether he took something that was considered performance enhancing by baseball.”

    Of course there is – false positive.

    The testing process was tainted.

    You seem to be arguing that he, procedure in conducting the test doesn’t matter, if the results come back “dirty” that’s proof positive.

    If this were the case, why would there standard procedure? What’s the point of it?

  123. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    “Doesn’t look like anyone is saying he didn’t take steroids though.”

    What part of “will support Ryan’s complete innocence” didn’t you understand?
    ———————–

    I think its lawyer speak. Unless someone, specifically Braun, said “No, I did not use steroids,” than as far as I’m concerned it could be chalked up to semantics. He could mean that he’s just completely innocent of not using steroids based on MLB’s testing policy – which would be 10% accurate.

    I assure you Wave, I’m understanding the statement perfectly.

  124. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    . His positive test would not have happened if there wasn’t something in his urine.

    Not true. Well its possible that it could have only happened if there was something in it, but it doesnt mean what was in the urine was in Braun’s body. Sample contaminated, clerical error, lab error, incorrect conditions for storage, etc.

    Will Carroll says Braun’s team showed they could duplicate the results on clean piss, so what then?

  125. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “Wow, everyone is in the best shape of their lives…”

    LOL – Spit out my coffee, thanks stuckey!

  126. pat February 24th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    I’m not ready for “Mannying”

    joestiglich
    Manny Ramirez proclaiming to truly be a changed person. On joining #Athletics , “I think I’m here because God brought me here.”

  127. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Oh sh*t I meant 100% :D

  128. DONNYBROOK February 24th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Just curious, but I wonder if having Braun’s urine sample sitting around for a couple days issa 1 time screw-up, or if this occurs frequently with samples taken over the weekend??? I’m guessin’ somebody simply did NOT wanna pay the Extra cost of shipping onna Sat??? Penny wise, Obviously Pound Foolish.

  129. Villa Nova-Ya February 24th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Randy l -

    I just read the link.

    Doesn’t sound like Romine was wishing Montero ill. Doesn’t even sound like he spent any time at all wishing he was traded.

    Sounds like he was saying the trade ends up being good for both of them. He praised Montero.

    I don’t know what you would have him say? It’s not like Montero got hurt and he was happy about it. Unless I’m missing something, I don’t think this rates up there with wishing a teammate who is still on your team get hurt or slump or whatever.

    It’s simply stating the obvious – now that Montero is no longer with the Yankees, Romine can show what he can do without being in his shadow.

    Unless he was supposed to say, “No comment. Just happy to be here.” And I suppose he could have said that.

    No wonder Jeter never says anything meaningful. Landmines all over the place, and always someone looking for ill will.

  130. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Randy, you joked about someone being injured.

    You joked about intentionally injuring someone.

    Romine reacted to a trade he had no hand in making and as far as you and I are aware, never advocated being made before it happened.

    Your stupidity and Romine answering a question with refreshing honesty are are apples and oranges as they come.

  131. pat February 24th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “Will Carroll says Braun’s team showed they could duplicate the results …..”

    Could do it or did do it?

    ESPN reported this morning that Braun said he would submit to DNA testing and MLB Network just said Braun’s camp backed off that when asked about it.

  132. Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    “I think its lawyer speak. Unless someone, specifically Braun, said “No, I did not use steroids,” than as far as I’m concerned it could be chalked up to semantics.”

    Lawyer speak is “not guilty of the charges”. “Complete innocence” means what it sounds like it means.

  133. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Could do it or did do it?

    ESPN reported this morning that Braun said he would submit to DNA testing and MLB Network just said Braun’s camp backed off that when asked about it.

    Did do it.

  134. Joe from Long Island February 24th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    austinmac – i have to agree with your position. due process is the accepted way of doing things in a civilized society. tolerating the occasional guilty party to be wrongly set free/let off is the price we pay to protect the rest of society. so, i can see the arbitrator having no choice but to void the suspension.

    however, after listening to the link to the weei audio of will carroll speaking on the subject (provided by jerkface at 11:15), it sounds like braun’s lawyers presented evidence that by improperly handling the specimen, an incorrect test result was obtained.

    now, i’m not enough of a scientist in this area to know whether that could happen. but, from everything i’ve read in the papers by the pros in this area, including the wada, that’s not supposed to happen; the test results are supposed to be foolproof. carroll even implied that there’s still some unknowns here in exactly what was presented to the panel, and what the arbitrator’s thoughts and decision-making involved.

    as glove said, in his analogy, just because you get off doesn’t mean that you didn’t do something wrong. there’s no clean resolution to this, at least at this point. the only way there will be resolution is if braun tells us exactly and honestly what he did.

    somehow, i don’t think that’s going to happen. call me cynical.

  135. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    somehow, i don’t think that’s going to happen. call me cynical.

    What does he have to gain? If he says he is innocent, then you wouldn’t believe him anyways. What this really means is “We want Braun to say he cheated the system.”

  136. Villa Nova-Ya February 24th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Someone linked an article earlier that talked about the chain of command. Might be in the prior thread.

    It might do some good for people who are going to talk about the chain of custody to go back and read it.

    My take-away from it is that the chain of custody wasn’t so much broken as there is a loophole that MLB needs to tighten up. The article cited the the exact wording of the drug testing protocol, and it seems the tester followed all the protocol, even including the FedEx delay. The problem according to this article was that the refrigerator that the tester kept the sample in was his home refrigerator and the question was whether that was in fact a “secure” storage area.

    So, what does MLB do with that?

  137. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    “Lawyer speak is “not guilty of the charges”. “Complete innocence” means what it sounds like it means.”

    Agree to disagree.. for all intents and purposes, Braun is completely innocent. I will readily admit that.

    But he’s completely innocent… based on MLB’s drug testing policy. Unless you believe there is such a thing as being just a little innocent?

  138. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Store the next post in a properly secured container if not mailed on time :arrow:

  139. randy l. February 24th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    i realize that the average fan thinks nothing of letting negativity towards co workers slip into their minds, but world class team athletes do not.

    notice the lead sentence of the article

    “There are many ways for a ballplayer to sound like a jerk. He can come across as conceited or condescending, dismissive or disinterested, and this conversation is full of those potential pitfalls. Austin Romine knows it.”

    http://www.lohud.com/article/2.....ntero-gone

    and yeah , romine’s brain should not even entertain the thought it’s good for HIM.

    in jeter’s life never once has such a thought entered his mind. jeter is the perfect unselfish team player and everyone can’t be as good physically, but they can have the attitude he does.

    i know that most people on the blog think it’s cool to be open about being glad their competitor has been traded, but it’s the wrong attitude for the player himself. he should be thinking differently and it shouldn’t even cross his mind.

    his thoughts are in the wrong place. so is he hoping martin is traded too?


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