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Quick notes on a light day

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 24, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

“Our day was good today,” Joe Girardi said.

The Yankees day was also short. Pitchers went through their usual conditioning on the back field, but there were no bullpens, only a couple of live batting practice sessions in the morning. Position players checked in, but ultimately, this was the lightest day of the week.

A few notes…

Girardi said he wasn’t expecting any late arrivals this year. In fact, he was pretty sure he saw all of his guys face-to-face today. By the end of the day, Raul Ibanez was the only big leager I hadn’t seen, but his stuff was in his locker, so I’m sure he’s arrived. Perfect attendance. I guess that’s a good place to start.

Of course, there is one person missing… “The first couple of days as I was watching catchers hit, it was just strange to not see Jorge in that first group,” Girardi said. “You’ve been watching it for so long, not to hear his voice and his mannerisms, it’s kind of strange. It seems like there’s always a player every year who goes to another team or retires. Whether it was Bernie, Paul, Tino, Coney. It just kind of happens, but I don’t think you ever really get used to it.”

Asked how his relationship with Posada will change now that Posada has retired, Derek Jeter turned sarcastic. “I probably won’t talk to him, probably won’t see him anymore,” Jeter said. “That’s about the end of it. No, we’re like brothers, all of us are like brothers, because we’ve had so many experiences together. I keep in touch with him all the time.”

As expected, Austin Romine sat out today. “He felt better today so that’s good,” Girardi said. “If they think he needs another day, he takes another day.”

Seems early for live batting practice… “We have some guys that are ready for that because they’ve been here for a while and they have been throwing,” Girardi said. “We have some games that are fairly early so we’ve moved up their bullpens to try to prepare those guys for games.”

Robinson Cano on his offseason workouts: “Even harder than last year. Running, fielding, hitting, working out… I’m ready for wherever they put me in the lineup. I would say that I am going to play the game the same way I’ve played it, and not change anything.”

 
 

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63 Responses to “Quick notes on a light day”

  1. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    “The difference is the Mariners are willing to be patient with him at the major league level. Which the Yankees did not want to do. (or need to do)”

    Call me a stickler, but isn’t patience best demonstrated via actions rather than stated intentions?

  2. MaineYankee February 24th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    BryanHoch Jeter was ‘shocked’ Yankees landed Pineda wp.me/p1rXvG-8WNZ

    And he couldn’t believe all they had to give up was a DH and a BP arm. :D :

  3. Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    “I’ve always said starting Montero at ~40 games is fine.”

    I suspect he will start significantly less than 40 games at catcher in 2012.

  4. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Call me a stickler, but isn’t patience best demonstrated via actions rather than stated intentions?

    Yes, have to see what the Mariners do. Sorry I dont want to seem like I’m defending Randy’s dumb premise. The Mariners are saying everything right, right now. Just like the Yankees did last spring before changing course at the last second and sending jesus to AAA.

    Mariners might change course as well and never catch Montero.

  5. Nick in SF February 24th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    “By all accounts Montero is pretty close to being able to catch at the MLB level.”

    How are you using “all accounts”?

  6. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I suspect he will start significantly less than 40 games at catcher in 2012.

    I heard mariners want to get him 20-40 games at catcher this year.

  7. Rich in NJ February 24th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    I’ve moved passed Jesus for 2012 and on to Miguel for 2013.

  8. Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “I heard mariners want to get him 20-40 games at catcher this year.”

    The proof is in the pudding but I say closer to 20 than 40.

  9. Ruby Red Sock February 24th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    No one cares about Montero or Braun anymore, old news. Get a life.

  10. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    The proof is in the pudding but I say closer to 20 than 40.

    Give me another reason to stay up late and watch west coast ball :)

  11. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    “The difference is the Mariners are willing to be patient with him at the major league level. Which the Yankees did not want to do. (or need to do)”

    Call me a stickler, but isn’t patience best demonstrated via actions rather than stated intentions?
    ——————–

    Agreed.

    I’ve been saying this for a while in reference to the Yankee view on Jesus. If you didn’t know any better you would listened to the way they talked about him and then look at how they used him and think there must be another Jesus Montero in the Yankee system.

    The words vs. actions painted two very different pictures of the same prospect.

    The way they talked about him made you think they were sitting on a potential once-in-a-generation talent.

    The way they used him would make you think that they thought he might be a good hitter down the line but that he was a long way from realizing that potential.

  12. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Rich in NJ February 24th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    I’ve moved passed Jesus for 2012 and on to Miguel for 2013.
    ————–

    Which Miguel might that be?

  13. blake February 24th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    NYPost_Yankees New blog entry: Yankees won’t talk contract with Martin until season’s over nyp.st/znn8vT #Yankees 16 minutes

    probably best idea.

  14. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “I heard mariners want to get him 20-40 games at catcher this year.”

    The proof is in the pudding but I say closer to 20 than 40.
    —————-

    Mariners have Olivo and Jaso ahead of him (as catchers not players)

    My completely unfounded opinion is that the Montero won’t get significant time behind the plate until/unless something happens with Miguel Olivo (traded or injured) or the Mariners are completely out of contention.

    In fact it’s possible – though highly unlikely – that Montero could open the season in the PCL.

  15. Irreverent Discourse February 24th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    No reason to talk contract with Martin if he won’t take a cheap extension. Let him battle The Other Montero for those FA dollars next offseason.

  16. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    blake February 24th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    NYPost_Yankees New blog entry: Yankees won’t talk contract with Martin until season’s over nyp.st/znn8vT #Yankees 16 minutes

    probably best idea.
    ——————

    I never bought the Heyman rumor that they were going to negotiate in season with him. Cashman has refused to do that for guys like Derek, Andy, Posada, Moose and Rivera – I don’t see him shifting away from that for Russ Martin.

  17. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Grady Sizemore already out for opening days. Injuries ruined a pretty promising career.

  18. Crawdaddy February 24th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Good idea about seeing what Martin can do for us in 2012 before exploring longer deal. Also, I agree with Chip that the Yankees wouldn’t negotiate with him mid-season after not doing so for greater Yankees.

  19. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Grady Sizemore already out for opening days. Injuries ruined a pretty promising career.
    ————–

    Not the first, won’t be the last….

  20. Crawdaddy February 24th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    “Grady Sizemore already out for opening days. Injuries ruined a pretty promising career.”

    A younger version of Eric Chavez, but more expensive and an outfielder.

  21. blake February 24th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Rich,

    I’d expect him to continue to hit lefties very well because he’s basically never stopped doing that….and I’d expect him to hit for ok average vs rigthies but probably without much power…..basically still very good SS production in the big leauges.

  22. randy l. February 24th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    “I’ve moved passed Jesus for 2012 and on to Miguel for 2013.”

    not me , i’m a baseball fan first and a yankee fan second .

    i think anyone who’s watched jesus montero hit who isn’t interested in him isn’t really a baseball fan.

    blake… i mean rich in nj , that wouldn’t be you.
    admit it , you’ll be following montero

  23. Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Chip-

    Montero is the Mariners DH. He’s not their catcher (we agree), and he’s not going to AAA.

  24. m1kew February 24th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Fangraphs top 15 has a huge surprise at #2 -

    2. Jose Campos, RHP
    BORN: July 27, 1992
    EXPERIENCE: 3 seasons
    ACQUIRED: 2009 non-drafted free agent (Seattle)
    2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: Off (Mariners)

    A shocking ranking for Campos, no doubt, but I love his arm and believe the Mariners will eventually rue the day they included him in the Michael Pineda/Jesus Montero trade. The right-hander fires his fastball up into the 97-98 mph range but sits 91-95 mph. He displays above-average command of his fastball given his young age. His secondary pitches both need significant work (curveball, changeup) but the foundation is there for a No. 1 or 2 starter if he develops properly. Campos struck out 85 batters in 81.2 innings in short-season ball in ’11. He walked just 11 and induced an above-average number of ground-ball outs. With a 6’4” 200 lbs frame, the Venezuela native has the potential to develop into a workhorse. Just 19, Campos has three years of pro experience under his belt (including two seasons in the Venezuelan Summer League) and he should receive his first taste of full-season ball in 2012.

  25. Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    randy needs to relocate from Cape Cod to Seattle.

  26. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    I’m sure his is old news, but just stumbled across this..

    Charleston RiverDogs (Lo-A)
    Projected Starting Lineup (*indicates left-handed batter **indicates switch-hitter)
    1 CF Mason Williams* BA#4
    2 2B Angelo Gumbs BA#14
    3 3B Dante Bichette, Jr. BA#6
    4 C Gary Sanchez BA#3
    5 1B Tyler Austin BA#20
    6 RF Benjamin Gamel*
    7 DH Casey Stevenson*
    8 SS Cito Culver** BA#12
    9 LF Eduardo Sosa*

    Whoa…

    This ain’t bad either.

    Tampa Yankees (Hi-A)
    Projected Starting Lineup (*indicates left-handed batter **indicates switch-hitter)
    1 CF Slade Heathcott* BA#10
    2 LF Ramon Flores* BA#13
    3 1B Kyle Roller*
    4 C J.R. Murphy BA#9
    5 3B Rob Segedin
    6 DH Kevin Mahoney*
    7 RF Shane Brown
    8 2B Kelvin Castro
    9 SS Jose Toussen

  27. LGY February 24th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Good idea about seeing what Martin can do for us in 2012 before exploring longer deal.

    ——–

    The Yankees seem to really value Martin just for his defense, which I presume probably does not need further evaluation.

    If he comes out and mashes this season this plan could backfire.

  28. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Wave Your Hat February 24th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Chip-

    Montero is the Mariners DH. He’s not their catcher (we agree), and he’s not going to AAA.
    ———-

    Hey, for the Mariners I hope he’s Edgar Martinez.

    Though at this point it also wouldn’t bother me if he’s Jeff Clement.

  29. blake February 24th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Whatever folks think about the Montero for Pineda swap…..there seems to be univeral praise for getting Campos thrown it to that deal.

    I’m going to watch the River Dogs play as many times as I can this year…..that team is gonna be fun.

  30. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Low A was cooler than A+ last year also, why don’t the Yankees make A+ more exciting :x

  31. tomingeorgia February 24th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    blake,
    I already have tickets for the games they will play in Augusta. Going to be fun.
    BTW, big storms coming your way tonight. Tornado warnings and watches here all day.

  32. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    LGY February 24th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Good idea about seeing what Martin can do for us in 2012 before exploring longer deal.

    ——–

    The Yankees seem to really value Martin just for his defense, which I presume probably does not need further evaluation.

    If he comes out and mashes this season this plan could backfire.
    —————–

    That’s a risk the Yankees have always taken. It cost them an extra year at $16 mil for Posada.

    My guess is that Cashman would rather take that chance than create a scenario where there are some guys that are bitter that he didn’t get an in-season extension but someone else did.

    Also (just to use Martin as an example) if the Yankees commit to him with a 3 year deal Cashman might regret that if Kevin Towers were to turn to him in July and say “talks with Miguel Montero are going no where – I’ll deal him to you for Adam Warren and Austin Romine”

  33. blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    tom,

    yea they’ve been passing through all day….I’m gonna try to catch Charleston at Charleston some and then maybe in Asheville or Hickory when they come there I hope.

  34. blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    The Yankees might not be able to “afford” Miguel Montero.

  35. Rich in NJ February 24th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    “If he comes out and mashes this season this plan could backfire.”

    I’d risk it.

  36. Irreverent Discourse February 24th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    When their $50mil in relief pitchers comes off their payroll, they can afford whoever they want. :(

  37. LGY February 24th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    That’s a risk the Yankees have always taken. It cost them an extra year at $16 mil for Posada.

    ——–

    Yes, but previously the Yankees were not concerned with being over the luxury tax threshold.

    The Yankees need to adjust their business models to coincide with their mandate to be under 189M in 2014.

  38. blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    all the pundits seem to be on the Betances to the bullpen bus.

  39. Rich in NJ February 24th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    “The Yankees need to adjust their business models to coincide with their mandate to be under 189M in 2014.”

    Including that their scouting and development personnel have sufficient resources and are subject to rigorous accountability.

  40. Rich in NJ February 24th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    “all the pundits seem to be on the Betances to the bullpen bus.”

    Given the Yankees’ history of pitcher deployment, it’s not surprising, but at this point it is both premature and unnecessary.

  41. blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    6. Dante Bichette Jr., 3B
    BORN: Sept. 26, 1992
    EXPERIENCE: 1 season
    ACQUIRED: 2012 2nd round, Florida high school
    2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: NA

    As the 2011 draft approached I had Bichette ranked on my personal Top 20 list of players I would have selected in the first round of the draft if I were a scouting director. Despite strong pedigree and impressive showings in the video I watched, I was surprised by the number of negative scouting reports I read about the youngster, knocking both his defense and his offense. Bichette possessed unique swing mechanics as an amateur but the Yankees minor league staff helped him make some changes and it seemed to work wonders. He hit .342 with 17 doubles (.163 ISO) in 52 games in Rookie ball, earning himself a late promotion to the New York Penn League. In the field, he performed well enough at the hot corner to quiet the talk of relocating him to the outfield, at least for now. With such a strong showing in his debut, Bichette is likely headed to low-A ball in 2012 and he could move fairly quickly for a prep draftee.

    I guess at least 1 guy though Dante was good before the draft.

  42. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    LGY February 24th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    That’s a risk the Yankees have always taken. It cost them an extra year at $16 mil for Posada.

    ——–

    Yes, but previously the Yankees were not concerned with being over the luxury tax threshold.

    The Yankees need to adjust their business models to coincide with their mandate to be under 189M in 2014.
    —————-

    Could be right – still a risk worth taking.

    Besides, what are the odds Martin puts up a year that would earn him more than the 3/$20 that they were reportedly talking about?

  43. blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Yea I don’t think the Yankees should even be thinking about putting Betances in the pen at this point…..for one thing…they don’t have a need at the big league level in that role….and another….he still could figure it out with big upside as a starter.

    I think group think is a big issue with some of the list and scouting reports that are out there…..it’s not to say that none of them actually form their own opinions of players….but I think a lot of the people that make lists really don’t know enough about some of the players to actually rank them so therefore they just go with what everyone else is saying…..which can lead to misimformation.

  44. Irreverent Discourse February 24th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    blake – http://xkcd.com/978/

    Everyone have a nice weekend :)

  45. Nick in SF February 24th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    If Martin has a great year, can’t they then offer him arbitration and get draft picks if he declines?

    Or is that no longer part of the CBA?

  46. djsunyc February 24th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
    Grady Sizemore already out for opening days. Injuries ruined a pretty promising career.

    ——–

    life w/o steroids can be cold…

  47. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Yea I don’t think the Yankees should even be thinking about putting Betances in the pen at this point…..for one thing…they don’t have a need at the big league level in that role….and another….he still could figure it out with big upside as a starter.
    —————-

    My thinking is that they keep him in the rotation for the same reason they kept Montero behind the plate – moving him to the pen cuts his trade value and the Yankees want that option.

  48. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    New compensation rules:

    Only players who have been with their clubs for the entire season will be subject to compensation.

    • A free agent will be subject to compensation if his former club offers him a guaranteed one-year contract with a salary equal to the average salary of the 125 highest-paid players from the prior season. The offer must be made at the end of the five-day free agent “quiet period,” and the player will have seven days to accept the offer.

    • A club that signs a player subject to compensation will forfeit its first round selection, unless it selects in the top 10, in which case it will forfeit its second highest selection in the draft.

    • The players’ former club will receive a selection at the end of the first round beginning after the last regularly scheduled selection in the round. The former clubs will select based on reverse order of winning percentage from the prior championship season.

  49. randy l. February 24th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Seattle?

    Seattle is a nice place

    I hear they have a really good catcher coming up out there :)

  50. blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    ID,

    that’s really pretty close to the case I’d say.

    Chip,
    Maybe.,…but I don’t think that’s the primary reason for either of those decisions…..I think Montero has a chance to catch for awhile and I think Betances has a chance to start and until you’re sure those things can’t or wont happen they why give up on them?

  51. Irreverent Discourse February 24th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    ^ this.

    Players should “end up” as relievers/DH’s… not the other way around.

    OK, actually leaving… later :)

  52. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Someone calculate the average of the top 125 contracts. The first 43 are available on COTS.

  53. Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Currently it is estimated the top 125 contracts average out to ~12 million.

  54. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    I think group think is a big issue with some of the list and scouting reports that are out there…..it’s not to say that none of them actually form their own opinions of players….but I think a lot of the people that make lists really don’t know enough about some of the players to actually rank them so therefore they just go with what everyone else is saying…..which can lead to misimformation.
    ————————————–

    Do they ever rank prospects by position? Like a rank of the top 100 minor league short stops? Catchers? Pitchers?

  55. Chip February 24th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Jerkface February 24th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Currently it is estimated the top 125 contracts average out to ~12 million.
    ———–

    See that I have no issue with – if nothing else it should keep teams from spending stupid money on relief pitchers.

  56. yankeefeminista February 24th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
    all the pundits seem to be on the Betances to the bullpen bus.
    ___________
    Eat it, pundits. :mrgreen:

    And yes, watching West Coast baseball with Montero mashing will be the place to be late night. :) And guess at least besides us, El Capitan misses The Jesus.

    (Drive by from the Mall at Short Hills. Have a good night, Yankee people.)

  57. blake February 24th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    “Do they ever rank prospects by position? Like a rank of the top 100 minor league short stops? Catchers? Pitchers?”

    yea…some of them do. Here is one that has them by position.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospec.....lb_players

  58. yankeefeminista February 24th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Disclaimer: I will be at every Pineda game in the Bronx. ;)

  59. Shame Spencer February 24th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Thanks blake.

    I think I prefer rankings structured this way.

  60. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Baseball is a LOOOONG season.

    The Montero-watching is going to seem very February by May 1st.

  61. stuckey February 24th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    yankeefeminista,

    Want to meet at the Starbucks or the Cheesecake Factor (not really)…?

    Home is a few miles from the Mall.

  62. Crawdaddy February 24th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    “randy needs to relocate from Cape Cod to Seattle.”

    He needs to relocate alright, but I’m thinking of a place more south of there.

  63. tomingeorgia February 24th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    randy gave up his spot in the 4X100 relay to Jesse Owens, but only after a month of coaching Jesse on his baton handling.


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