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Settling in for the familiar routine

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 26, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The novelty has worn off. There are no more physicals to take. No more press conferences to attend. No more “how was your winter?” handshakes to deliver. All of the players have arrived and the first full-squad workout has gone off without a hitch.

The Yankees are in it now.

Spring training is a familiar routine of bullpens and batting practice. Through the end of the month, we’re going to see pitchers gradually increase workload and — if things work as they’re supposed to — improve velocity, command and effectiveness. We’re going to see position players take more groundballs and flyballs than they can count, then they’re going to get a steady dose of swings meant to get their timing and mechanics in shape.

Settle in folks. The second full squad workout happens this morning, and the spring training routine is in full swing.

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52 Responses to “Settling in for the familiar routine”

  1. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank February 26th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Is the complex open to the public today/ worth going too?

  2. CountryClub February 26th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Yes it’s open to the public and if you’re like me and you like watching BP, it’s more than worth it.

  3. CountryClub February 26th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Sherman estimates Cano’s next deal at 8/200. There is no way the yanks are giving that to him. They will not get locked into another Arod type deal. They won’t be paying 25 mil per year for a player at the end of his prime. As a matter of fact, I won’t be shocked to see them let him walk. It’s why I thought they should have signed him to a 6 yr deal this past offseason. In that scenario, they could have reasonably expected at least 4 high production years.

  4. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    “It really is so much easier to follow a link – and better for my recycling pile, too!”

    precisely

    many people in business ignore new trends because they are the top dog in an industry. look at kodak. totally misread the effect digital cameras would have on them. the yankees really are kodak in a way.

    the competitive advantage that made them so powerful is not there the way it was in the past. the yankees had a geographical exclusive that gave them more fans than any other team. the fish jumped into the boat. this doesn’t happen anymore.

    it is a fact that i would have watched the yankees more if montero was still there. how many other fans there are like me is open to debate. i think no one player will bring down a team, but a team’s fan interest is built one by one. any team that doesn’t develop their team with this in mind will find themselves going in the direction of what happened with kodak or the boston globe.

  5. mick February 26th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    They won’t be paying 25 mil per year for a player at the end of his prime. As a matter of fact, I won’t be shocked to see them let him walk
    ==============================
    which is why ppl don’t get as attached to players as in the old days.
    its all about the money …

  6. Best To Ever Do It February 26th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    As a matter of fact, I won’t be shocked to see them let him walk

    ——————————

    Have the best player on the team walk away from an aging line-up. He’s not going to get a blank check that’s obvious but they can’t even think about letting him go.

  7. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    ” They won’t be paying 25 mil per year for a player at the end of his prime. As a matter of fact, I won’t be shocked to see them let him walk”

    there was s scene in moneyball that i watched on the flight down here to florida last week where billy beane tells the old school scouts that they have to do things differently . the old way just isn’t going to work.

    in the old days of the late 90′s and early 00′s cano would be a yankee forever. now , fans like you wonder if cano will walk. this is what i’m talking about. i don’t have the answer, but if the yankees want to keep fan interest they have to figure out a way to keep a player like cano .

  8. mick February 26th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    It’s always been about rooting for the team for me.
    Through winning and losing, heroes leaving and Red Sox coming, it’s still about the Yanks.

  9. johnfish February 26th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    8/200 for Cano means his last year will be complete before he reaches the age of 38; A-Rod’s deal goes through 2017, when he’ll be 42. That’s a big difference.

  10. mick February 26th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Maybe this is what my father meant when he said money will ruin baseball.
    Although it does seem more popular than ever.
    Imagine 1961 with Maris poised to break the record and the Stadium is 1/4 full.
    Those days are over.

  11. mick February 26th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    but if the yankees want to keep fan interest they have to figure out a way to keep a player like cano .
    =============================
    or replace him with the younger , newer, cheaper version.

  12. Best To Ever Do It February 26th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    mick February 26th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    but if the yankees want to keep fan interest they have to figure out a way to keep a player like cano .
    =============================
    or replace him with the younger , newer, cheaper version.

    ———————————-

    That wouldn’t be as good as Cano.

  13. jacksquat February 26th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    mick February 26th, 2012 at 9:36 am
    but if the yankees want to keep fan interest they have to figure out a way to keep a player like cano .
    =============================
    or replace him with the younger , newer, cheaper version.

    Which is who? Don’t think it’s Nunez…

    Or did you mean younger, newer, cheaper and far less production?

  14. blake February 26th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    They need to offer Cano an 8 year deal now…..instead of two years from now. Offer him the Matt Kemp deal and get him locked up so you can budget more effectively for 2014 and also so you can save some money and two years on the deal……with the new CBA they cant afford to wait around and let him hit the market after 2013. Signing him for 8/160 now is much much better than having to do it two years from now

  15. pat February 26th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    “8/200 for Cano means his last year will be complete before he reaches the age of 38……”

    I think Yankees hold option on Cano for next year too.

  16. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    it really may be possible the yankees have thrown in the towel on being the team that keeps it’s stars the way it did with jeter, mariano, posada, bernie etc.

    cashman has followed theo in a lot of ways. he really has more new school baseball tendencies than old school tendencies so maybe he has thrown in the towel on developing stars that he keeps.

    the yankees could sign cano today to a long term contract. but they are stuck in their past policies. they really need to rethink what they are doing.

  17. Villa Nova-Ya February 26th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    randy l -

    Not sure about your premise. If viewership goes down this year and people say it was because they didn’t get to watch Montero, then you’ve got something there.

    But for the most part, it is winning the brings people in and continued winning that keeps them there. I think it’s random about latching onto team versus latching onto a player, and debatable. For some people, like you, it was a particular player that brought you to a team. For me, it was a team that brought me to baseball. And then I found players I liked. And I’ve always had admiration for players who were not on the team I rooted for.

    If the Yankees can’t reach an agreement with Cano when the time comes, I’ll still be a fan of the Yankees, and I will still be a fan of Cano. But I really believe that the Yankees will do what they can to keep Cano.

    I will worry about the Yankees keeping players around when they stop having Old Timer’s Day games.

    Because it would be a farce to have those days when players are in and out of NY like it’s a revolving door.

    Long term contracts can be killer – but they help to cement a team’s legacy too, if they’re given smartly. Cano would be a smart investment in their legacy.

    As much as I looked forward to Montero, he’s not in the same category. Too bad he doesn’t have the chance, for sure. But his trade isn’t going to keep all that many people (in the grand scheme of things) away.

  18. David in Cal February 26th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    After the Yanks paid too much money for Igawa, they reacted by offering far too little IMHO for Yu. I kind of expect the same thing to happen with Cano. They gave ARod too much money for too many years. I think they’ll go the other way with Cano, even if it means losing him.

  19. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Next year’s option gives them leverage with Cano because they can rescind it and give him more as part of a long-term deal.

  20. pat February 26th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Winning keeps fan interest.

    Few players were as popular as Mattingly but that didn’t translate to fan interest because the Yankees during those years weren’t winning.

  21. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    it really may be possible the yankees have thrown in the towel on being the team that keeps it’s stars the way it did with jeter, mariano, posada, bernie etc.
    -

    It’s possible but they have only one true star that is still young, and they did give CC a boatload of money, so you’d think they will do the same with Cano. Granderson, maybe not.

  22. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    “If viewership goes down this year and people say it was because they didn’t get to watch Montero, then you’ve got something there.”

    attrition starts small. almost imperceptible. it’s tipping points.

  23. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    fans will always come back, they are suckers for their team.
    the owners know this.
    while they are more educated of the intricacies of the game
    they are victims of their passions.

  24. Deal With It February 26th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Heaven forbid that players get old, their skills decline and the team itself has financial constraints going forward. Things change everyday, the cycle of life.

    Give Cano a fair deal and see what happens, if it doesn’t work out then see ya. Life goes on as does this team, they will figure out an alternative if need be. They always do.

    Yankee cry babies here will just need to whine, whimper, moan and carry on for months on end and then get over it.

  25. Bronx Jeers February 26th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    The Bronx was kind of scary for a long time. Especially South Bronx.

  26. Villa Nova-Ya February 26th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Randy l -

    The Yankees traded one prospect. They did not hold a fire sale.

    :)

  27. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Rooting for an ex Yankee in another uniform is foreign to me.
    Can’t see the point. You root for a team.
    The forest for the trees or something like that…

  28. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Randy is right about one thing. Beyond wining, as pat pointed out, fans do like to watch offense, particularly HR.

  29. dogface February 26th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Next year’s option gives them leverage with Cano because they can rescind it and give him more as part of a long-term deal

    ==================================

    If they don’t pick up the option, Cano’s a free agent and the leverage is all his.

    Be interesting to see the terms of Zimmerman’s deal, and whether that and Kemp’s deal could serve as a model. Don’t think they have to go all the way to $25M. Maybe 7/8 years $22M?

  30. Best To Ever Do It February 26th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Give Cano a fair deal and see what happens, if it doesn’t work out then see ya. Life goes on as does this team, they will figure out an alternative if need be. They always do.

    ——————————–

    Such as who Nunez?

  31. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    If they don’t pick up the option, Cano’s a free agent and the leverage is all his
    -

    I don’t see that as being possible, do you?

  32. Tar February 26th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    “Don’t think they have to go all the way to $25M. Maybe 7/8 years $22M?”

    That can be answered in 1 word.

    BORAS

  33. blake February 26th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I think 8/160 is appropriate ……Cano gets some insurance for the next two years in that deal (for injury) in exchange for a slight discount on market value……..its exactly what Kemp did and he’s actually two years younger than Robbie……

    It locks him up through age 36ish and gibes the Yanks a set salary number for him that they cab budget around

  34. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Villa Nova-Ya-
    -

    as far as rooting for the laundry, it’s a given that this is the mantra that new school baseball management believes in. the red sox have embraced this philosophy.

    the problem is that there are other things that come along with this philosophy. one of these is disrespect of individual players by management. red sox players know that their management has no commitment to them. they know henry and lucchino think mlb is a competition of managements.

    i believe that a major part of the red sox collapse is they really aren’t a team anymore. ironically when a management builds a team around the laundry concept, they lose the players loyalty.

    this is human nature. once management will replace you in a heartbeat, why should you care about them?

  35. dogface February 26th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    I don’t see that as being possible, do you?

    ============================

    No. Seems I misunderstood what you meant by rescind the option. You’re saying tear that contract up and make 2013 Year 1 of a proposed new deal, right?

  36. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    The redsox were always known as a “team” of 25 guys 25 cabs.
    Only when they were “idiots” did they win anything.
    Kind of ironic.

  37. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Yes, dogface.

  38. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    as far as rooting for the laundry, it’s a given that this is the mantra that new school baseball management believes in. the red sox have embraced this philosophy.
    =============================================
    ortiz,wakefield and varitek excluded

  39. dogface February 26th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Wow! Zimmerman’s extension is 6/$100 and starts after his existing deal expires. Very team friendly.

  40. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Only when they were “idiots” did they win anything
    -
    Maybe Damon was more important to the RS and Yankees winning than people give him credit for. Granted, he’s not the same player, but he is still pretty goood. Yet he wasn’t brought back. May be some irony there too.

  41. Villa Nova-Ya February 26th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Randy l -

    I don’t know. I don’t think the Yankees even come close to how the Red Sox do that particular piece of business.

    But I think it’s fair to say it is a two-way street nowadays because of free agency. Loyalty is to the green “laundry.”

  42. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    damon was indeed a winner.
    he never tightened up like swisher, tex and arod did last year.
    he was always loose and good with pressure and his teammates.

  43. DONNYBROOK February 26th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Yanks will bite-the-bullet and give Cano the $$$ and length of contract. There just are not ANY other 2B’s that give you his power\production numbers AND Defense. Throw in the impact his bat has on the hitters in the Yankee lineup and he gets his due\contract. EASY call to make.
    Thought the Most revealing part of the A-Rod interview came outta the NY Daily News. A-Rod said in Germany he had 5 injections of his own blood over 5 straight days, and by day 3, his knee already felt better. Translation = The guy’s performance was impacted due to pain, from the time he returned from the knee surgery, till the season ended vs Detroit. A lotta attention has been given his hip following the surgery and his thumb. Both those seem to be fine. The Real problem is that knee, which is exactly why he went to the lengths of conferring with Kobe, and traveling to Germany over the offseason.
    Blake’s Boy Ethier has got smoke comin’ outta his ears and is going the Gretta Garbo route. Seems Mattingly said something along the lines of Ethier Wasting 100 AB’s last season due to Ethier’s temper. Check out the piece in the LA TIMES concerning this malcontent. I’m still stickin’ with Ichiro over Ethier come July.

  44. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    damon and matsui.
    you need winners on teams.
    pettitte.
    talent alone won’t do it.

  45. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank February 26th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Country club,
    Thanks..
    Is there a scheduled time for batting practice?

  46. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    I think 8/160 is appropriate ……Cano gets some insurance for the next two years in that deal (for injury) in exchange for a slight discount on market value……..its exactly what Kemp did and he’s actually two years younger than Robbie……

    makes sense to me.

    i can’ t imagine the yankees losing a player like cano.

    that might be the final straw for me with the cashman yankees.

  47. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    while my roots with the jets are not near as deep as they are with the yanks and i can see abandoning them for the giants , a more well managed organization with a more sound approach,
    i cannot see myself ever leaving the yanks.
    the mid 60′s to mid 70′s and the 80′s-mid 90′s failures proves that.

  48. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    But I think it’s fair to say it is a two-way street nowadays because of free agency. Loyalty is to the green “laundry.”

    villa nova-ya

    yes management and players are in an adversarial position in the sense that the more the players get the less ownership has … unless the pie grows.

    are the yankees planning on growing the pie or are they trying to get more of a shrinking pie ?

    the way to grow the pie is sign cano quickly and lock up and lock up his fans.

    the way to shrink the pie is to play hardball with cano and build a cheaper team with new laundry.

  49. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    randy

    If the Yankees lose Cano, it will almost certainly be because the suits won’t pay him (hard to imagine) not Cashman. His role is to get ownership to do it now (it will be cheaper). That he held the line on an extension for Martin, an easily replaceable piece, is encouraging because it leaves more money for Cano, who has to be their top priority, by far.

  50. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    the yanks will take care of cano.
    what they are going thru is a backlash against the free spending which is cutting into their profit margin.
    george was a beast at going for the jugular but had no concern for the money.
    hank appears to be the same.
    Hal is fiscally responsible which can go 2 ways: while he may pass on talent to save a few bucks, he will pay those who deserve it accordingly.
    The jury is out but I remain optimistic.

  51. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    rich in nj-

    yes, i realize there is a difference between ownership and management, but i think cashman is pretty much in line with ownership.

    yes, you would think that cano would be thought of as a core yankee, but i really have no idea what the yankees are thinking right now.

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