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Sunday morning notes: Rivera gets on the mound

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Feb 26, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Spring training gets monotonous quickly, but there are little steps along the way that mark the progress. Today, the Yankees took one of those steps.

Mariano Rivera threw his first bullpen this morning. Standard stuff, roughly 25 pitches, with no hitter in the box.

“He’s a machine,” said catcher Gustavo Molina, who caught the session.

As usual, Rivera was the last healthy pitcher to get on a mound this spring. This actually seems a little early for his first bullpen, but Rivera said a few days ago that the warm weather down here has him feeling a little ahead of schedule and ready to throw. So, how does the game’s greatest closer, at 42 years old, look when he gets on a mound for the first time in months?

“Everything was down in the zone, in and out,” Molina said.

He really is a machine.

Nick Swisher is one of a handful of Yankees who’s in noticeably better shape this spring. Swisher worked out with several football players this winter, and he managed to cut down on his midsection while adding muscle up top. “This is the strongest I’ve ever been,” he said. “… I haven’t lost any weight. Just a completely different body.”

Swisher said he’s faster and his throwing has improved since last season. It’s a contract year for him, and he said he has no intention of asking the Yankees for a mid-season extension. He knows that’s not how the organization works, so he’ll plan to hit free agency with hopes of ultimately signing back with the Yankees.

Rivera wasn’t the only one getting on a mound early this morning. Manny Delcarmen, Adam Miller and Clay Rapada also had early bullpens today.

Tomorrow’s batting practice assignments should be interesting. Both CC Sabathia and Michael Pineda are scheduled to throw BP tomorrow.

Other than this morning’s four side sessions, there were no standard bullpens listed for today. Instead, eight pitchers were listed as throwing batting practice.

Field 1
Adam Warren (to Russell Martin)
Mike O’Connor (to Jose Gil)
Brett Marshall (to Jose Gil)
Chase Whitley (to Gary Sanchez)

Field 2
Ryan Pope (to Gustavo Molina)
Juan Cedeno (to J.R. Murphy)
Graham Stoneburner (to J.R. Murphy)
Dan Burawa (to Kyle Higashioka)

Slight change to the hitting groups. The catchers are now lumped together and the last group of infielders has now been broken up and spread out. Here are today’s batting practice groups:

Group 1
Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter, Brandon Laird, Eduardo Nunez

Group 2
Eric Chavez, Ramiro Pena, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, Doug Bernier

Group 3
Russell Branyan, Bill Hall, Jayson Niz, Jorge Vazquez, David Adams

Group 4
Francisco Cervelli, Jose Gil, Austin Romine, Gary Sanchez

Group 5
Brett Gardner, Curtis Granderson, Raul Ibanez, Andruw Jones, Nick Swisher

Group 6
Chris Dickerson, Justin Maxwell, Cole Garner, Dewayne Wise

Group 7
Zoilo Almonte, Colin Curtis, Melky Mesa, Corban Joseph

Group 8
Kyle Higashioka, Russell Martin, J.R. Murphy, Gustavo Molina

The fielding groups remain the same:

Group 1
C: Kyle Higashioka, Russell Martin, Gustavo Molina, J.R. Murphy
INF: Russell Branyan, Robinson Cano, Eric Chavez, Bill Hall, Derek Jeter, Brandon Laird, Eduardo Nunez
OF: Zoilo Almonte, Colin Curtis, Curtis Granderson, Raul Ibanez, Andruw Jones, Justin Maxwell

Group 2
C: Francisco Cervelli, Jose Gil, Austin Romine, Gary Sanchez
INF: David Adams, Doug Bernier, Corban Joseph, Jayson Nix, Ramiro Pena, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, Jorge Vazquez
OF: Chris Dickerson, Brett Gardner, Cole Garner, Melky Mesa, Nick Swisher, Dewayne Wise

• Tomorrow is photo day. It starts at 7:30 a.m., and players were instructed to wear their home whites, long sleeves and game hats. The sign with instructions also includes this line: “Please be Clean Shaven.”

Associated Press photo of Rivera from a few days ago

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232 Responses to “Sunday morning notes: Rivera gets on the mound”

  1. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Coincidence Swish is in his best shape in his walk year?
    Really makes you wonder…

  2. Villa Nova-Ya February 26th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    It’s not just Swisher. It’s many players.

    I don’t understand it, frankly. One would think that once one gets a nice contract from a team, and let’s face it, there are very few contracts that aren’t “nice,” one would be sufficiently motivated to stay in the BSOTL for the entirety of the contract.

  3. Best To Ever Do It February 26th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Wasn’t he in the best shape of his life last yr?

  4. blake February 26th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    I hope Swisher just goes out and plays and doesn’t worry about free agency or his contract….if he has a good year and is the best option the Yankees have in the outfield then so be it….but I think it’s going to be really difficult to fit him in the long term budget anyway.

    Cashman really needs to be working hard during the season this year to find a cost controlled outfielder who can provide an alternative to Swisher…..it would help the 2012 team and would also give them some options next winter.

    They realistically can’t afford to sign Swisher, Granderson, and Cano all to big deals and stay under the 189 threshold in 2014…..Cano is obviously a guy you try to keep… and Granderson is under contract an additional year…so the decision on Swisher has to be made soon and my guess is they’ll probably have to say goodbye unless he accepts a pretty team friendly deal.

  5. Tar February 26th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    “the way to grow the pie is sign cano quickly and lock up and lock up his fans.”

    Not so sure that signing Cano is necessary to lock up the fans.

    I think (especially under the Boss) a healthy Mets organization is ( and was ) also good for me, a Yankee fan.

    I do remember the 80′s when the Mets were kicking the Yankees butts in grabbing the majority of young fans. That hasn’t been the case for a long time. There is no local competition anymore. Back then just the threat of a player like Cano going to the Mets would be enough to ensure he will always be a Yankee. Now the Yankees don’t even have to try hard ( Like signing Cano hard ) to win the next generation of fans in NY. As long as they win a lot, and the Mets keep sucking, the Stadium will be full.

    Having said all that, there is no way they let him walk.

  6. mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    swisher could become the next johnny damon
    watch out for ichiro

  7. stuckey February 26th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    [We begin our scene in the bottom of the 6th inning. A left-handed batter just pulls a hard line drive foul into the right field box seats off a breaking pitch. The catcher calls a timeout and jogs out to the mound. The infielders all follow.]

    Catcher [to pitcher]: “Okay, listen. I’m starting to notice your curveball is showing signs of attrition. That lack of break is imperceptible at the moment, but if you’ve read Malcolm Gladwell like I have, you’d understand that last pitch was just a tipping point. Let’s trying to get through this inning staying away from lefthanders.

    “Okay? Let’s go retire this batter!”

    [catcher walks back to home plate]

    Shortstop: “Man, that Randy is a pretentious ass.”

    1st baseman: “Yeah, a hypocrite too.”

    [and scene]

  8. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    stuckey-

    nice NARRATIVE

    i like any story where i’m playing baseball.

  9. Bret The Hitman February 26th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    I have no interest in Swish at 15 million per year on a multiyear deal that pays him through 2014 and beyond.

    Cashman has to either trade for a long term solution in RF. If he can’t successfully acquire one through trade, he will have to shop for a cheaper OF on the free agent market and the only one who fits RF and will be cheaper than Swish is Melky Cabrera.

    RF in 2013 will be either a trade acquisition or Melky Cabrera. It won’t be Swish.

  10. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    “Not so sure that signing Cano is necessary to lock up the fans.”

    cano has his fans who wouldn’t forgive the yankees not signing him.

    the yankees are between a rock and a hard place with trying to get below the figure that’s been thrown out here with the new agreement.

    personally, i think the yankees have to blow the baseball status quo out of the box. they can hit the breaks or step on the gas with the new agreement.

    i think they should pay whatever craziness mlb penalizes them with and let their payroll skyrocket.

    if mlb gets to punitive, split off and start their own league.

    take the top markets with them.

  11. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    brett the hitman

    how many more games would the yankees win if all players switched to coconut oil the season ?

  12. BBFan February 26th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    It is a two way street…..
    Yanks will try their best to keep Cano.
    However, if Boras is unreasonable, they will use someone like Sherman to telegraph to Cano that they are moving on. If Cano does not dictate to Boras, he is gone.

    Regarding Cano alone filling the seats, please……
    It is winning that fills the seats.
    Randy can bit*ch and moan agianst Cashman on this blog for eternity. It won’t make any difference.
    Mattingly, one of the most popular Yankee players retired prematurely after a very good postseason in 1995. Still, the attendance shot up from 1996 onwards. you know why, it was because the team was winning.

  13. stuckey February 26th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    “nice NARRATIVE”

    Not really.

    You just don’t have NY conscious, do you? Self-contradiction means nothing to you?

    “personally, i think the yankees have to blow the baseball status quo out of the box. they can hit the breaks or step on the gas with the new agreement.”

    Do you know your posts come with subtitles?

    It it perfectly clear you are starting to advocate a position we all know the Yankees are not going to take, thereby giving yourself ammunition for the foreseeable future to complain.

    “if mlb gets to punitive, split off and start their own league.

    “take the top markets with them.”

    Welcome to Fantasy Island…

  14. MaineYankee February 26th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    I’m sure Cashman had alot of sleepless nights worring about all the Yankee fans that would switch to the Mariners when he made that trade.

    Of course he also knew that he’d get Mariner fans following Pineda to the Yankees.

  15. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    i’m not aware i’ve criticized any other posters today though i’ve disagreed with their posts.

    don’t be afraid to try that yourself.

  16. BBFan February 26th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Regarding the 2014 payroll, majority of the big market teams will have the same problem as Yankees to stay under $189mil. It is not a given that those teams will throw lot of money at Cano.

    The very purpose of these limitations in the CBA is to contain the high end salaries and it is working.

  17. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    bret the hitman-

    by the way, i wasn’t making fun of you with he coconut oil. i agree with your thoughts on it.

  18. RadioKev February 26th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    mick February 26th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    Coincidence Swish is in his best shape in his walk year?
    Really makes you wonder…
    ——–

    No, it’s not a coincidence. That’s how incentives work.

  19. stuckey February 26th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    “Still, the attendance shot up from 1996 onwards. you know why, it was because the team was winning.”

    Actually, that’s only part of the story.

    Yankees attendance didn’t reach it’s apex until 2006-2008. It kept rising after Pettitte went to Houston. It was unaffected by the ‘retirement’ of Bernie Williams.

    Fan favorites like O’Neil and Martinez retired or left and attendance kept rising.

    The idea attendance is going to suffer due to Montero or potentially even the lose of Cano is absent of any empirical evidence to support it.

  20. BBFan February 26th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    ““if mlb gets to punitive, split off and start their own league.

    “take the top markets with them.”

    Welcome to Fantasy Island…”

    It is not out of the realm of possibility.
    If they keep screw*ing the big market teams for ever, they will at least threaten to do so sending some fear among Seligs and Small market teams. If half a dozen or so big market teams leave, the rest will not sustain and fold.

  21. RadioKev February 26th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    And that’s not to say Swisher is lazy. It’s just that most people work more, consciously or subconsciously, when they have incentives.

    CC’s best season was a walk year too.

  22. Yank1 February 26th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    “if mlb gets to punitive, split off and start their own league.

    take the top markets with them.”

    That’s probably the next step if this tax thing becomes too excessive and hindering. Selig needs his big market teams to sustain the league and he knows it. If he takes his ‘parity’ stance too far, he will pay for it. Yanks are not going to sit back and allow themselves to operate under a faux salary cap.

  23. jacksquat February 26th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Swisher has stayed in pretty good shape throughout his contract and been fairly consistent. I wouldn’t mind a “contract year” though.

  24. stuckey February 26th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “It is not out of the realm of possibility.”

    Its entirely out of the ream of possibility, including for dozens of reason of legality.

    The contracts of each NY Yankee is a product of collective bargaining with a league of associated teams. Those contracts are not transferable to another league the Yankees decide to start themselves.

    If the Yankees decided to start their own league, they could not take their contracted players with them.

    This is but one of dozens of reasons.

  25. RMS February 26th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Yanks need to keep Cano because he is one of the best hitters/fielders in the majors. Has nothing to do with the fans.

  26. Bret The Hitman February 26th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Randy,

    Brain health…

    I think a better question would be how many more hits would a player have if he supplemented with high grade omega-3 fish oil capsules and reduced his intake of omega-6 vegetable seed oils?

    How many more hits would he have if he reduced carbohydrate intake to 5% total calories and increased intake of healthy fats (omega 3, monounsaturated, coconut oil) to 70% of total calories?

    How many more hits would he have if he eliminated all added sodium and increased potassium intake?

    How many hits would he have if he did all three, increased his omega3/omega6 ratio, his fat/carb ratio and his potassium/sodium ratio?

    Now you could prove any of this in a clinical trial but I bet it would make for an interesting case study. If these players were my clients, I would push for these habits.

  27. Bret The Hitman February 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    edit: You couldn’t prove any of this in a clinical trial but

  28. Bo knows February 26th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    It’s not that Swisher doesn’t try hard or stay in shape. It’s that the doofus tries to hit eleventeen HRs come the PS. Long has done everything he can, less a brain transplant. Last year in Detroit.
    - “Okay, Detroit really is a tough place to hit a HR”. Tex, Swish, Grandy, Martin chorus

    - “Great, let’s go for it. Look, look, Jetes hit it to the warning track”.

    FacePalm

  29. DONNYBROOK February 26th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    MLB NETWORK will televise Yankee ST games Next Sat & Sun\ Noon EST.
    I shudder when a player shows up at ST with a “completely different body”. These same guys frequently have various physical problems over the course of the season. Last offseason, Swish went with the Boxing regimen, and Now it’s football. A player should obviously show up to ST “in shape”, but the “new body” route usually leads to physical problems down-the-road. I’ll wait till I actually get a good look at what he’s done to himself, but for now, I’m penciling in Swish for 120 Games Max in 2012. NIX on New Bodies for MLB’ers.

  30. Tom in N.J. February 26th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    A league divided against itself cannot stand!

  31. BBFan February 26th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “If the Yankees decided to start their own league, they could not take their contracted players with them.

    This is but one of dozens of reasons.”

    If they do start a new league, they are not going to opeate under the same rules.
    As an example, the teams that split can offer to resepct the contracts they have and if the players decide to get out, they will be free to do so. Then there can be some kind of draft.

    There are lot of options……

  32. LGY February 26th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    How do we know Hal wasn’t in favor of the new CBA?

  33. RMS February 26th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    If they do start a new league, they are not going to opeate under the same rules.
    As an example, the teams that split can offer to resepct the contracts they have and if the players decide to get out, they will be free to do so. Then there can be some kind of draft.

    —————————————————————————————–
    Craziness abounds with some of these posts.

  34. BBFan February 26th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    “How do we know Hal wasn’t in favor of the new CBA?”

    Probably he is in favor……
    Probably he likes the luxury tax, but not the high level of revenue sharing.

  35. Bo knows February 26th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    It’s amazing how the old timers, that were playing in parks 30% larger in dimensions managed to hit all those HRs without bulking up to look like Arnold. Totally bassackwards. Anyone look at Hank Aaron who hit all those HRs? Can anyone say musclebound?

  36. BBFan February 26th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    “Craziness abounds with some of these posts.”

    Blame it on Randy for starting this discussions :) :) :)

  37. CountryClub February 26th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Cano is one of the best hitters in baseball now. He won’t be in 5 yrs when he’s in the 4th yr of the 8 yr deal that Sherman thinks he’ll command.

  38. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    “Now you could prove any of this in a clinical trial but I bet it would make for an interesting case study. If these players were my clients, I would push for these habits.”

    bret -

    it would be interesting to see how many yankee players pay attention to nutritionists and personal trainers who are into what you are into.

    i thought i understood nutrition fairly well twenty years ago, but things have changed dramatically.

    guys like teixeira might have bought into some of the things you are in to. it would be interesting to find out about as i said. personally , i just use olive oil and coconut oil. organic whenever possible.

    i’ll pick my spots when i talk with you about nutrition and health.this blog would blow up if we started talking nutrition and fitness.

    i am however curious about some of your ideas. i definitely have to get up to speed with all the new stuff.

  39. BBFan February 26th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Sherman goes overbaord with his suggestions…..
    Last year during Jeter negotiations he was suggesting giving Jeter lifetime contract for something like $10 or $15 mil a year. Randy Levine immediately shot it down, rightfully so.

  40. DONNYBROOK February 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Brian Downing of the Angels was the 1st player I saw go the bulk-up route. The contrast in bodies was so stark, they started calling him The Hulk. Of course, this was before urine testing. To me, Swish’s major problem is that he No longer hits outta the 2 Hole.

  41. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    “Blame it on Randy for starting this discussions ”

    bbfan-

    hey, pay per click is part of my deal with lohud.

    every time ” randy” is mentioned i get a quarter. even if it’s randy johnson :)

  42. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “It’s amazing how the old timers, that were playing in parks 30% larger in dimensions managed to hit all those HRs without bulking up to look like Arnold. Totally bassackwards. Anyone look at Hank Aaron who hit all those HRs? Can anyone say musclebound?”

    this guy at 165 pounds is the long drive champion in the golfing world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    he annihilates 6 ft 6 ” muscleheads.

  43. stuckey February 26th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    “There are lot of options……”

    No, there is not.

    From the MLB Constitution:

    “Sec. 3. Voluntary Termination. A Major League Club may withdraw from this Constitution only with the approval of three-fourths of all Major League Clubs, subject to such terms and conditions as the Commissioner may require, by submitting a written request to withdraw to the Commissioner, making full payment of all Baseball indebtedness and offering to assign to the Commissioner or the Commissioner’s designee all of the withdrawing Club’s rights, privileges and other property rights hereunder and under any other Baseball-related agreement.”

    This means you can’t leave the league without 23 of the other 29 teams approving it.

    The top market teams is what gives the lower market teams their value. What teams do you think are going to be cool with the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, leaving, thereby making their own investments worthless?

    “Sec. 7. Effect of Termination on Active Player Contracts and Reservation Rights. Upon a termination of a Major League Club in accordance with Section 3 or 4 hereof, title to the contracts of all active players then under contract to the terminated Club and all rights of player reservation of such Club shall, at the option of the Commissioner, thereupon vest in the Commissioner or a designee of the Commissioner, to be disposed of in such manner as the Commissioner may determine. The Commissioner may exercise this option with respect to all or less than all of the active player contracts and reservation rights of the terminated Club.”

    This means IF a club was granted approval to terminate, their player contracts becomes the property of MLB, and MLB would not allow them out of their contracts to go play in other league.

    It’s hard to fathom how any fan could be under the impression MLB hasn’t drafted full-proof legal protections preventing individual teams or contracted players from seceding from the League to start of play for another one.

    They haven’t.

    It’s IMPOSSIBLE.

  44. BBFan February 26th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    “every time ” randy” is mentioned i get a quarter. even if it’s randy johnson ”

    Where do I send the quarters i owe :)

  45. Bronx Jeers February 26th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Swish’s body isn’t his problem.

    It’s his brain.

  46. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    You can forget an thoughts of “The Continental League” plans being revisited. Two things that will prevent that. They won’t be able to get the TV/radio contracts needed to support it and they won’t have the stadiums available to play in. The Continental League died in early 1960. They ended that when they decided to expand to ten teams in 1961 and 1962.

  47. tucker February 26th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    So if Pineda, Nova and Hughes get off to strong starts this season and Garcia looks like he did last year, do the Yanks consider dealing Hughes for a cost-controlled outfielder? Not sure the Yanks will be able to sign Cano, Granderson, Hughes (if he rebuilds value) and afford another outfielder if Swish leaves. Manny B can slide in the rotation next year and perhaps Kuroda, if effective, resigns for one year.

  48. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    gb7-

    steaming video is the wild west right now. no one nows who’s going to win this battle. comcast, amazon, att, apple, verizon, and who knows who else?

    the money that’s on the table probably blows away the way that media functions right now.

    marketplaces change.

    when they do m everything changes.

  49. LGY February 26th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    A lot of talk about a cost controlled OF on here.

    Does anyone actually have anyone in mind who might be attainable?

  50. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    so what do the yankees do on a practical matter with all the changes to their industry do?

    things are changing. that’s a given.

    it appears to me they are between a rock and a hard place with meeting the new soft cap that is in place.

  51. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    There isn’t more than two cities that need a new ball park and that’s big enough to support a “Big League Team”. Going head to head with established leagues during the summer would be a killer. Playing a winter league schedule won’t work, because there aren’t enough northern and East Coast cities with domed stadiums.

    Look what happened with the ABA. The only way they could get any top talent was to outspend for contracts and it buried that league. Same thing with the WHA. Only the AFL was able to buck that trend.

  52. blake February 26th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    LGY,

    Not really….and that’s the problem…those guys don’t get traded much if they are any good

  53. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    lgy -

    all kidding aside, what do you think is the smartest approach with the new agreement?

    i honestly haven’t paid much attention to it.

    is there going to be an ugly duckling period where the yankees have to resist signing expensive players to get in line with the new realities ?

    obviously player development becomes more important than it was for the yankees. to me this is all the more reason to leave guys down longer the way the rays do.

  54. CompassRosy February 26th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Deal With It February 26th, 2012 at 8:32 am
    “Join Rosy’s blog ?”

    ~

    Thanks for the shout out, DwI :-)

    I’ve been a bad, bad blogger of late (life gets busy, what can I say?) but I hope to be more active – starting today…

    Felix vs. Jesus!

    http://tinyurl.com/879mvps

  55. Deal With It February 26th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Hoping that Swisher gets out of the gate fast and has a great 1st half, then at the trade deadline his value will be high so Cashman can dump him for a good return.

    No way he is in RF beyond this year, too expensive. Cano and Granderson will come 1st in the contract pecking order before Swisher even gets a thought.

  56. Deal With It February 26th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    ‘It’s his brain.’

    =============

    Yup, a drama queen for a RF’er with his unnecessary slides for balls that can’t be caught, unneeded wall climbing etc.

  57. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    “There isn’t more than two cities that need a new ball park and that’s big enough to support a “Big League Team”. Going head to head with established leagues during the summer would be a killer. ”

    what if a new league formed that didn’t depend on ball park revenues?

    maybe with the demand for streaming content, there will be someone who is blocked out from mlb content who will throw money behind a new league.

  58. tucker February 26th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    The problem is how do you replace Swish’s bat this season? They can’t trade Swish unless they get a replacement. Otherwise, you have an outfield of Gardner, Granderson and jones, who may not be able to play everyday and stay healthy.

    If the DBacks fall out of contention, would love to see the Yanks pursue Justin Upton. Don’t know whether they have the trade chips and payroll flexibility for such a deal, though.

  59. Deal With It February 26th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Rosy….

    Yes, why not plug some new bloggers into ur blog ? All the anti-Montero trade people here would have a field day at ur place following him. I for one am glad we got Pineda.

    Life does gets busy but there is always tomorrow, u can only do what you can with the time u have each day, sometimes stuff just falls off the plate………..

  60. blake February 26th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I think its possible that Swisher may be a first case of the Yankees letting a player walk and replacing them with a lesser player strictly because of money.

  61. stuckey February 26th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    At no point in the next 5 years will the Yankees be at an economic disadvantage, they’ll just have a lesser advantage, which are fundamentally two different things.

    They also are not the only big market team with albatross or potentially albatross contracts, if we want to look at it in the micro-view.

    Arod and POSSIBLY Tex may be less than ideal during the last 3rd’s of their deals, but given the economic landscape today, it is highly unlikely many teams will be pushing up against the $189m mark during the lifetime of those deals, and those that do pushup against it will be doing partly due to problematic contracts of their own.

    Will 10 years from the Yankees enjoy a lesser (or any) advantage compared to the teams they are theoretically “competing” against? Quite possibly.

    Me? I can’t really get up in arms of over that. We tried it one way for a very long time, now maybe MLB is going to try it another way, both of which I can see the merits of and the latter way I can’t objectively qualify as unfair.

    If nothing else, it’s going to be interesting, for sure.

  62. blake February 26th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    “If the DBacks fall out of contention, would love to see the Yanks pursue Justin Upton. Don’t know whether they have the trade chips and payroll flexibility for such a deal, though.’

    I don’t think they will fall out of contention …..and im not sure they have enough to trade for him anyway after dealing Montero ……maybe could in a year or two if some of the bats in the lower levels progress……the Dbacks have pitching ……its not a good match right now

  63. Bo knows February 26th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Actually I wouldn’t be surprised to have Hughes and or Joba come into play regarding high end OFs at the AA level. Maybe, at least one of them. That, to me, would be thinking out of the box, that might catch other teams unawares. The ptchers at AAA not named B.. don’t have enough recognition value. The Yankees can no longer bludgeon other teams with money. They have to start to out chance them with high end asset management.

    They’ve already started with the draft. They focused on HS kids with elite skills. Williams, Austin, Gumbs et al were a carefully drafted strategy.

  64. DONNYBROOK February 26th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

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  65. Deal With It February 26th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Too bad that Maxwell and Dickerson will most likely be gone due to roster space which will give the Yankees fewer options to replace Swisher if they decide to move him at mid season. Hopefully Jones and or Ibanez will be healthy and productive if they need to fill a void.

  66. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

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  67. blake February 26th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

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    Not when you just look at the payroll…..but if they have needs in the next 5 years and can’t address them because of finances….then I would say they are at a disadvantage to teams with more flexibility.

    Payrolls are just numbers……what you have with those numbers is what’s most important.

  68. DONNYBROOK February 26th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Kevin Towers knows the Yankee farm system forwards and backwards. You deal with him for a player with Upton’s numbers and your gonna pay-the-piper and then some.

  69. stuckey February 26th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    “what if a new league formed that didn’t depend on ball park revenues?

    “maybe with the demand for streaming content, there will be someone who is blocked out from mlb content who will throw money behind a new league.”

    New York Yankees are valued at a $1.7 billion and as the Dodger’s sale is demonstrating, that figure is likely very conservative.

    A new team (which could not be called the NY Yankees or utilize any Yankees intellectual property, which could not cite the history of the Yankees or their achievements) based in NY, playing in a smaller, inferior league, against established ML baseball, with its primary revenue stream being streaming video wouldn’t be valued anywhere NEAR $1.7 billion.

    MLB’s value is highly dependent on teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, but the value of the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers is highly dependent on MLB.

    Take either way from each other, and value of both plummets.

    Succession is impossible.

    A new competing baseball league is non-starter.

    It is now officially silly season.

  70. Deal With It February 26th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

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  71. MaineYankee February 26th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Here is some baseball history from my backyard.

    It seems that L.L. Bean came up with an easy way to score games.

    http://www.sunjournal.com/news…..nd/1150422

  72. m February 26th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    I like that quote by Swisher. I’m not gonna ask because that’s not how the Yankees operate. I will go into free agency with the hopes of being back with the team.

    Hit every note perfectly.

    I hope swish has a great season. That way he’ll get his last big contract. I doubt it will be with the Yankees, though, nor do I want it to be. I look forward to getting below the LT threshold, even if it’s just for a year.

  73. MaineYankee February 26th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Here is another one where they credit him with being into the early days of sabermetrics.

    http://walksaber.blogspot.com/…..ystem.html

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  75. tucker February 26th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Blake, Kevin Tosers deserves a lot of credit for turning the DBacks around so quickly. And you are right, they do look like they should compete. They have a decent rotation and sting pitching prospects.

    Surprised they signed Kubel and gave him left over Gerrardo Parra, who is similar to Gardner. Maybe Towers sees that good offense is in shorter supply than pitching/defense throughout MLB.

  76. Bo knows February 26th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Warren Phelps and Mitchell aren’t chopped liver and they’re ready. Comes a time when if you don’t use em, you lose em. Unless Hughes has made a quantum leap in effective pitches, you’ve a BP specialist masquerading as a starter. Any delay and Hughes loses his creds.

    Granted if they think Hughes just needs some development time to master other pitches then AAA is the rational way to go. But this hasn’t happened.

    To misqoute Leno

    What the Hell were they thinking?

  77. Giuseppe Franco February 26th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Swisher’s bat will not be as easy to replace as some people here think.

    The other choices aren’t any better – and yes that includes one Melky Cabrera – who is certainly not a better player than Swisher.

  78. DONNYBROOK February 26th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Very difficult to move a key player like Swisher at crunch time in Aug\Sept onna pennant contender. The Clubhouse\Chemistry ramifications make it an enormous gamble. As I continue to say, just Rent-An-Ichiro. He’s supposedly gonna bat in the 3 Hole this season, and comparing his numbers vs Swish come July are gonna be interesting. Batting 3rd is gonna give Ichiro the opportunity to swing for the fences Far more in 2012.

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    GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
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    No he’s before my time. :lol:

  80. randy l. February 26th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    blake-

    looking at cots, the rays have virtually no financial obligations past 2012.

    are they in a better position than the yankees by having no obligations?

    its kind of crazy how they are competing so well at 50 million a year or so given the year.

  81. blake February 26th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    “Blake, Kevin Tosers deserves a lot of credit for turning the DBacks around so quickly.”

    He’s done a fantastic job id say

  82. tucker February 26th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Randy is correct about player development becoming perhaps the most segment under the new CBA. He yanks have drafted well, now they need to improve player development. Time to use that financial might to lure away better minor league instructors.

  83. GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    MaineYankee February 26th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    GreenBeret7 February 26th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
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    No he’s before my time.

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  84. Bo knows February 26th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

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    Hugh Grant had the ultimate wife, talent, eye candy, smarts, etc. Got caught with some flooze.

    Famous Leno to Grant on the Tonight show

    “What the hell were you thinking?

  85. m February 26th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    I will miss Swish’s power. And agree it will be difficult to replace.

    Unfortunately we have so much dedicated to a hand full of players. It’s getting to be either pork & beans or lobster in this league when it comes to salaries
    But if we can avoid the big commitments, that actually might work out for us. There will be some pretty good players who will be squeezed out and would be good pick ups.

  86. blake February 26th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    “are they in a better position than the yankees by having no obligations?”

    If they keep churning out good prospects then maybe…..but that’s very tough to do forever and their issue (unless they get a new ballpark) is always going to be turnover because of money……they are going to have to trade Price soon most likely because he’s going to get super expensive.

    They can’t afford mistakes……

  87. Deal With It February 26th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

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    ============

    Just what we don’t need, a 38 year old singles hitter who makes $ 18 million a year.

  88. stuckey February 26th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    “Not when you just look at the payroll…..but if they have needs in the next 5 years and can’t address them because of finances….then I would say they are at a disadvantage to teams with more flexibility.”

    That isn’t a fundamental disadvantage Blake, that’s a circumstantial one, and an entirely different conversation.

    The new CBA wasn’t put in place to hurt the Yankees until Arod’s contract expires.

    The new CBA treats all teams equally. The Yankees signing those contracts is what may hurt them.

    Fielder may come back to haunt Detroit.

    Anaheim is going to figure out what to do about Haren, Santana while they got two big new contracts and Vernon Wells still on their books until 2015.

    Texas is going to have to figure out what to do (pay or replace) about Hamilton, Napoli, Cruz, Kinsler, Young, Feldman and Lewis ALL before 2014, while hoping Beltre doesn’t suffer drop-off.

    I’m sorry, but as I have repeatedly shown, the Yankees have been utilizing a ceiling on their spending for 7 seasons now. In fact, the luxury tax they’ve been paying out has declined significantly since the mid-90′s.

    The new CBA really isn’t exasperating what the Yankees weren’t already doing themselves. The windfall of incentives that will come their way simply by maintaining a course they’re already been on, is simply removing the pie-in-the-sky notion that fans have that the Yankees could or WILL get taxed wildly if “necessary”.

    It provided comfort, but probably a false one.

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    MaineYankee February 26th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
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    No he’s before my time.

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    BS. There is nothing before your time.

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    I haven’t really given it too much thought.

    Probably sold out in the first 15min. :D:

  90. Rich in NJ February 26th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    “Wasn’t he in the best shape of his life last yr?”

    I thought I remember reading that. It’s why ST stories are basically fluff.

  91. CompassRosy February 26th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    “I for one am glad we got Pineda.”

    DwI ~

    I don’t think you’re the only one.
    The M’s gave up a lot to get Jesus – the Yanks gave up a lot to get Michael.
    I’m hoping it works out for both teams (and I’ve got a pretty good feeling it will).

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    “At no point in the next 5 years will the Yankees be at an economic disadvantage, they’ll just have a lesser advantage, which are fundamentally two different things.”

    ~

    Speaking of economics…
    It will be interesting to see what happens come 2015 when there is talk of the M’s opting out of their current TV deal and to either re-negotiate OR create their own RSN to “keep up with the Joneses” (er, Rangers and Angels). The recent hub-bub about the possibility of an NBA/NHL arena coming soon to a plot of land just south of Safeco Field adds even more intrigue into the $$$ possibilities.

  92. tucker February 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    One of the main aims of the new CBA appears to be to control the inflation of players’ salaries. I’m surprised the players union signed off so willingly.

  93. blake February 26th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    “That isn’t a fundamental disadvantage Blake, that’s a circumstantial one, and an entirely different conversation”

    Maybe….but its still true

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    The Rangers are pretty much the Rays with more money….they will be the biggest competitor with the Yanks over the next several years…..

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    Good comparison. The Yankees really have no choice but to integrate major prospects on to their roster now in order to compete at the highest level over the next five years, sooner if there are precipitous age-related declines.

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    Donnybrook ~

    It will definitely be interesting to see how Ichiro does in his new spot.
    Apparently, he’s been prepping for a change in style, if not batting order, all off-season…

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