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Early spring rotation set

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 27, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

March 2: Adam Warren
March 3: Ivan Nova
March 4: Freddy Garcia
March 5: Michael Pineda
March 6: CC Sabathia/Phil Hughes
March 7: Hiroki Kuroda

What month is this? I wrote April while I was still in Girardi’s office. Obvoiusly meant March. Sorry about that. In my defense… maybe I don’t have anything in my defense. Just kind of forgot about an entire month.

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  1. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher February 27th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    March 5th will probably be the most over analyzed Yankees debut since Kei “cool shades” Igawa.

  2. tomingeorgia February 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Chad,
    You did mean March, didn’t you?

  3. Erin February 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    :(

    BryanHoch Robinson Cano has left camp for the Dominican Republic. His grandmother passed away yesterday.

  4. Irreverent Discourse February 27th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....hnicality/

    Interesting read on the Braun situation, maybe it will fill in the gaps for some of the louder, less researched posters around here.

  5. Irreverent Discourse February 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Poor Robbie :(

    Hopefully he’ll keep it as a chip on his shoulder this season and it will propel him to Montero-esque production.

  6. austinmac February 27th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    with reference to the luxury tax discussion earlier, we all know that fringe benefits are included in payroll for such purposes.

    Does anyone know how the fringe benefits number can be at least generally calculated? Is it a percentage of salary, a dollar amount per player or some other means of calculation?

  7. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Why does Cano have a chip on his shoulder?

  8. Irreverent Discourse February 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    rich – … because his grandmother just died and he will honor her with home runs?

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    austinmac -

    :D

    Sounds like having company for the week was probably more fun than reading the posts!

    (And that includes a 5-year old and a 2-year old!)

  10. Irreverent Discourse February 27th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Did you guys see A-Rod opened his home to Jeremy Lin as he apparently had no place to stay?

    I gotta say, A-Rod continues to surprise me with his public transformation every single day.

  11. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    ID

    Oh…I don’t see the passing of an aging person that way, but ok.

  12. austinmac February 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    ID,

    How dare you suggest Cano or any player have Monteroesque production. I am shocked.

    The next thing you will say is the Yankees aren’t spoiling Pineda by having him start the fourth exhibition game.

  13. Irreverent Discourse February 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Rich – OK, but you are at least aware that athletes constantly play seasons “in honor” of lost family members, lost organization members…

  14. stuckey February 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Blake,

    Quick follow-up to a short comment at the end of last thread.

    No, it is not a fool-proof plan, but should there be any fool-proof plans in competitive sports?

    Isn’t the lack of “fool-proof” the cornerstone of competition?

    The NFL draft has turned into a sport event of its very own, because of its importance, tied into the fact guys like Jerry Jones and Dan Synder just can’t outspend everyone else.

    The NBA offseason is fascinating and active.

    I don’t know if they’re doing it on purpose or if its an unintended byproduct, but baseball (if our own level of interest in the 2014 payroll is any indication) may be created a whole new hot stove dynamic – one more based on competitive factors rather than geographical advantage.

    While as Yankees fans maybe there is an argument to me made that out of self-interest we want every offseason to simply be whatever the Yankees want and then the scraps are divided up amongst the rest, I think we might be headed to heightened offseason interest.

    Just chalk it up to different strokes I guess, but I look forward to a ore competitive-based off-season.

    “Fool-proof” works against every instinct I have for being interested in pro sports.

  15. austinmac February 27th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Trisha,

    The kids you were with would have fit right in on the board or brought up the level of maturity. Of course, I am denying any such immaturity on my part. I am often thankful for denial.

  16. blake February 27th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    “Sure it’s not fool-proof, but a lot of times you seem to treat it like there is no plan, and no hope… which is not the case.”

    I don’t think I ever said that…..im.just talking about the reality of the situation.

  17. Tackelberry February 27th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    I’m sure all the Montero lovers will be here spewing foam in full force if Pineda gets lit up next MOnday

  18. blake February 27th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    No, it is not a fool-proof plan, but should there be any fool-proof plans in competitive sports?”

    Nope….and it might be the best plan what they are doing…..again Im just talking about the reality of the situation

  19. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    ID

    I guess.

  20. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    “I’m sure all the Montero lovers will be here spewing foam in full force if Pineda gets lit up next MOnday”

    I’m sure you’re sure.

  21. sammiejohnson February 27th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Tackelberry February 27th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    I’m sure all the Montero lovers will be here spewing foam in full force if Pineda gets lit up next MOnday

    _______________________________

    You think that they are actually going to wait until monday?

  22. blake February 27th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    “According to ESPN, the Yankees currently have the third oldest 40-man roster in the big leagues with an average age of 28.6 years. The Phillies (29.2) and Diamondbacks (28.7) are the only clubs ahead of them, and the next closest AL team is the Red Sox at 27.7.”

    http://www.riveraveblues.com

    Nobody told Cliff Lee this

  23. Irreverent Discourse February 27th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Maybe once they actually see him pitch, rather than just assuming that he can’t succeed they will have a real opinion of him, regardless of performance.

  24. blake February 27th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Pineda has a chance to be special…..Sabathia type special ….and however you feel about the trade that’s why they made it. I wouldn’t have done it…..but they did and now the fans need to focus on supporting Pineda.

  25. Irreverent Discourse February 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    I hate March/April, I almost lose my job every year from staying home to watch ST and the beginning of the season :p

  26. Tackelberry February 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    “I hate March/April, I almost lose my job every year from staying home to watch ST and the beginning of the season :p”

    Luckily, Opening Day is on Good Friday, Apr. 6. I have that day off so I can watch the Opening Day game for a change

  27. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    What blake said. People need to stop whining about dissent.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    “Trisha,

    The kids you were with would have fit right in on the board or brought up the level of maturity. Of course, I am denying any such immaturity on my part. I am often thankful for denial.”

    :)

  29. Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Below the dotted line is an excerpt from an article about Swisher and Martin from today’s NY Post. I find Swisher’s comments curious in a good way. It reads like he might be willing to take a discount to stay here a la Paul O’Neill did every year. Why don’t the Yanks offer Swisher a one-year $8M extension? If they spun it like they could use that $2.25M saved to get a good reliever or bench player on a one-year deal, I bet he’d go for it. He remains a Yankee for two more years and postpones the anxiety of a “walk year” for a year. The Yanks could re-sign Melky Cabrera for LF if Granderson signs elsewhere or RF if Granderson is jkept and don’t have to wonder if they should give Swisher a deal of two or more years.

    While it’s not set in stone, it is highly likely A-Rod will be the full-time DH in 2014, so there’s no room there for Swisher if he wanted at least a two-year deal, which means he couldn’t be re-signed as the long-term DH, or the Yanks shouldn’t risk signing him through 2014 or later because what if A-Rod has to be the DH in 2014? One bad injury for A-Rod this year and sorry, he has to be the DH next year, he’s making too much money to stick at 3B and he’s no great shakes there anyway (he never was and you can thank the primdonna to his left for that i.e. not willing to move to 3B so a better player could play SS.)

    Gardner LF/Granderson re-signed for CF/Melky re-signed for RF/Swisher DH should be the 2013 Yankees OF-DH then you replace Swisher with A-Rod in 2014. Maybe Swisher could return to the As in 2014 and why not if they need a RF or DH and could use one who could back up at 1B a bit?

    As for Martin, I say offer him a two-year, $10M per year extension and see if he bites. The guy had a good enough 2011 where if he takes a step back in 2012, he should get 2013, and he’s not re-signing with the Yanks for a year only. He will want at least two years if not three. $10M is a respectable/respectful number as it’s essentially a raise equal to a third of his 2012 salary and would make him one of the highest paid everyday catchers in MLB. If he turns down the extension offer, the Yanks would know it will take at least three years at say $11M per year to keep him and the onus will be on Martin to produce a 2012 good enough to get it. Also the Yanks could be setting the market for what another team would have to pay Martin if he didn’t re-sign with the Yanks and couldn’t get three years or more than $10M per.

    —————————————————————————————————————-

    Asked if the pressure of playing in a walk year could be tough, Swisher didn’t offer a concrete answer.

    “I don’t know yet. I’m sure as the season kind of starts up, I’m sure the talk will get a little more but I think I’m ready for that,’’ Swisher said. “I’m not thinking about that. I don’t care man. I’ve got a great job. I make good money, my wife makes good money, money’s not a big thing for us. I do what I love. Whatever’s going to happen is going to happen. I wish I could write it in a book and script it out [and] I’d be here for the rest of my career, but if it’s one of those things where it doesn’t happen then, hey, man, you have to roll with the punches. But I know I’m going to go out there busting my [butt], doing everything I know I can and make that decision real difficult on them.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1nbrosn6p

  30. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    “According to ESPN, the Yankees currently have the third oldest 40-man roster…”

    They’re actually pretty well covered at every position (even closer, relatively speaking) except 3B/SS. They need to be careful in how they allocate their resources (both dollar and excess player personnel) so that they have the ability to acquire a replacement for one should the need arise (replacing both will be impossible).

    And yes, btw, Lee is a clown off the mound.

  31. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Jered Weaver did not buy out 1 year of FA. He signed his deal 1 year BEFORE free agency. He is signed through 2017. Just thought I’d correct that from earlier.

  32. Nick in SF February 27th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    “….and however you feel about the trade that’s why they made it. I wouldn’t have done it…..”

    You haven’t read their scouting reports and internal evaluations or sat in on their discussions, so maybe you would have made the trade knowing what they know.

  33. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    The Yankees final payroll for the past like 4-5 years has been 220+ million. This includes pickups during the season and trades, which are not counted on opening day. The end of season stuff counts for the luxury tax (which is determined in dec).

    The Yankees pay ~10 million in benefits and crap that count to the tax threshold, so the real number they need to meet is 179. Then consider A-rod’s milestone, 173. Then consider if you want any wiggle room at all for trades and of course the rest of the 40 man and playoff shares.

    So they’ll have like 70 million to work with.

  34. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    I like that A-rod believes he can play third until he is 40. Its true. I hope he does it.

  35. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    “You haven’t read their scouting reports and internal evaluations or sat in on their discussions, so maybe you would have made the trade knowing what they know.”

    But we know two things:

    1) That Cashman said that pitching holds the keys to the kingdom;
    2) That he said he would trade excess offense for pitching.

    If you disagree with the premises contained in 1) and 2), it’s reasonable to oppose the trade.

  36. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Marshall three-year extension with #Reds worth $16.5M. #MLB

  37. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS

    hear #indians are trying to sign asdrubal cabrera to longterm deal

    OF COURSE THEY ARE. :x

  38. Crawdaddy February 27th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    “OF COURSE THEY ARE. ”

    Good for them.

  39. Tackelberry February 27th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    “I’m sure all the Montero lovers will be here spewing foam in full force if Pineda gets lit up next MOnday”

    “I’m sure you’re sure.”

    I’m sure you know I’m sure

  40. pat February 27th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    ID

    I read comments from a few doping experts who have all said sample deterioration could occur from delay and excess heat but the changes that would occur would be culture growth which would have made him test positive for a UTI but not synthetic testosterone.

  41. Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Also, Swisher extended for a year and $8M, Martin extended for two years at $10M per year means the Yanks 2013 starting lineup is 8/9ths set where all the Yanks have to do is determine is Granderson good enough to be kept? If he isn’t and Melky Cabrera is good enough to be brought back, the Yanks have two options for their 2013 OF-DH:

    1. Melky re-signed for LF, Gardner moves to CF, Swisher stays in RF, new DH or Ibanez re-signed if he has a typical year in 2012.

    2. Melky re-signed for RF, Gardner moves to CF, new LF, Swisher moves to DH.

    Another option I’d say is a longshot would be Gardner LF, Melky re-signed for CF, Jones re-signed for RF, Swisher DH, but that’d mean Jones would have to have a good enough 2012 to take RF. This would be the ideal OF-DH from a cost standpoint.

    If Granderson is kept, again, Gardner/Granderson/Melky left to right and Swisher DH should be the move.

    What if Granderson and Cabrera aren’t good enough to be brought back to the Yanks?

    Gardner LF, Swisher RF, new CF and DH

    Gardner CF, Swisher DH, new LF and RF

    Gardner LF, Swisher DH, new CF and RF

    New OF (Garner traded for an OF or not), Swisher DH

    New OF and DH

  42. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    “hear #indians are trying to sign asdrubal cabrera to longterm deal”

    I’m pro-tampering.

  43. blake February 27th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    “You haven’t read their scouting reports and internal evaluations or sat in on their discussions, so maybe you would have made the trade knowing what they know.”

    Nope….but none of us have…..so unless we are just going to sit around all day and say “the Yankees know more than me so no comment”……its a given that people are going to make evaluations on what they know …..otherwise it would be kinda boring around here.

  44. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Swisher isn’t signing for 8 million.

  45. Irreverent Discourse February 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    pat – That article seems to suggest that they were able to replicate the exact “failed” results by handling another sample in the same manner. I’m not sure MLB was being 100% honest in this situation, and may have leaked things to gain public opinion against Braun.

  46. Irreverent Discourse February 27th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Everything about Swisher’s attitude, the way he handles himself int he media suggests that he would be the ball-boy if that was the only way he could wear pinstripes. I expect a creative, incentive laden deal for Swisher with a lower base than anyone would guess… assuming that Cashman doesn’t find a better option first.

  47. Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Ryan Braun’s pee can create synthetic testosterone when heated up?

  48. Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    I like that A-rod believes he can play third until he is 40. Its true. I hope he does it.

    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    What else is he gonna say? True that he believes he’ll be the 3B at age 40 or true that he will be the 3B at age 40? If the former, A-Rod is deluding himself. If the latter, you’re deluding yourself. A-Rod is one more bad injury away from being a full-time DH we must all pray he doesn’t suffer. I don’t hope he is the 3B at 40 because he will suck ass there by then and don’t think one ball he can’t get to couldn’t affect a postseason game cuz it could. If he lets a ball towards the line get by him in this year’s postseason, a strong case could be made that a 3B with more range would’ve got to it, and the missed ball contributes to another elimination for the Yanks, A-Rod will never hear the end of it and he should be the DH in 2013, too bad if he doesn’t like it. What’s best for the team not A-Rod and his personal record.

    A-Rod wants to be a 3B for as much of the rest of his fading career as possible because the more he DHs, the weaker his homerun record break is (if he breaks the record) because people could and would always say “He cheated 2001-2003 and didn’t have to play the field his last (x number of) years.”, they’d be right, and his homerun record would be bogus, especially when neither Aaron nor Ruth cheated or had the luxury of the DH, Bonds had to play over 90% of his career in the field, and A-Rod’s old teammate Griffey Jr. played most of his career in the field and DHed only because he had to make his way back to the field slowly. A-Rod breaking the homerun record would be bogus without DHing x amount of his final years considering he cheated for three straight years as you have to chop off x amount of HR to whatever number of HR he finishes with because of all the extra HR he popped from cheating.

    A-Rod is due $114M in salary, most likely another $6M in HR #660 milestone money (he needs only 31 HR to reach that), and up to $24M in more HR milestone money for up to $144M AFTER this year. Him being a 3B at 40 is ludicrous considering the money he’s being paid for the HR milestones alone.

  49. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    For fans like me that don’t have YES Network, can someone post any t.v. listings
    for the exhibition season?
    Perhaps MLB Network or ESPN has plans to televise the games in March.

  50. stuckey February 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    “its a given that people are going to make evaluations on what they know …..otherwise it would be kinda boring around here.”

    I can empathize with the premise since we only have access to so much information, that recognizing we only have limited insight and information would essentially be conversation killers, but in my experience when things go off the rails is when people begin taking extreme, convicted positions.

    Again, how can that conviction be genuine and not just theatrics if the we REALLY have an unspoken agreement that we really don’t know much at all?

    Some of the biggest critics around here seem very earnest to me. I have a hard time reconciling that these people somewhere beneath the surface REALLY believe their conclusions are groundless.

    It seems real to me, and if not, something very, very odd is going on.

  51. pat February 27th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    ID

    I heard sample deterioration could be replicated but synthetic testosterone can not mysteriously appear in a sample where none existed prior to exposure.

    The example the WADA guy used was if you took a sample cup and mixed milk and sugar in it, sealed it and left it on a shelf under room temperature conditions, bacteria could grow in it but it would never turn into chocolate milk unless cocoa was added to it.

  52. Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Warning Track Power:

    The yankees.com schedule has all the t.v. info on it…

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....ar=DEFAULT

  53. blake February 27th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    From what I’ve read and tried to learn about this thing with Braun…..the level that he supposedly tested for is so high….that he would have almost had to be trying to get caught for his levels to be that high…..dangerously high…..it just seems fishy to me….maybe the actual test itself was flawed…..maybe someone spiked it….maybe Braun is a roid head and one heck of a lier……but I believed him when I heard his press conference.

  54. Nick in SF February 27th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    I respond to something blake said and then Rich in NJ responds to me? No wonder people get you two mixed up.

    “…it’s reasonable to oppose the trade.”

    Rich, I have not said and do not think that it’s unreasonable to oppose the trade, per se, but six weeks of complaints premised on the Yankees having some fundamental misunderstanding of their own needs and future plans is not the epitome of reasoned analysis.

    Speaking just for myself, it’s the quality and expression of some of the dissent that’s at issue, not the presence of dissent itself. There are plenty of commenters here who opposed the trade but have also recognized that it could easily be a 50/50 proposition or better and could end up working out extremely well for the Yankees.

    “so unless we are just going to sit around all day and say “the Yankees know more than me so no comment”……its a given that people are going to make evaluations on what they know …..otherwise it would be kinda boring around here.”

    Kind of a straw man. There is basically just one regular commenter here who’s repeatedly articulated a “the Yankees always know best so just sit back and watch what happens” philosophy.

    I don’t think you should refrain from commenting because you don’t have the same information the Yankees had when they opted to make the trade, but understanding what you don’t know might lead to better comments.

    The inverse is true as well; there is an obvious element of risk involved in this trade even if it made sense on paper given all the information (much of which is just opinion as well) and it could well end up being a loser for the Yankees. But it’s a conceit to assume that they didn’t understand and weigh the risk when they made the trade.

  55. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    I wouldn’t listen to anything WADA or whomever says about the Braun case. They are angling to get MLB to hand over testing to them. Diane Modahl is someone from the 80s who was able to get exonerated when she proved sample deterioration led to a false positive.

    It doesn’t have to create synthetic testosterone, only degrade to the point that a test would produce a mistaken result. Using the WADA guys example. If you left milk and sugar in a cup for X time, maybe it doesn’t turn into chocolate milk, but maybe it tastes like it did.

  56. Warning Track Power February 27th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Tom
    Thanks a million. I appreciate the follow up.
    Now I can look towards programming the DVR to record the games.

    Baseball Fever-I am catching it!

  57. Nick in SF February 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    “I don’t think you should refrain from commenting because you don’t have the same information the Yankees had when they opted to make the trade, but understanding what you don’t know might lead to better comments.”

    That was meant generally, not specifically for blake.

  58. blake February 27th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    “I don’t think you should refrain from commenting because you don’t have the same information the Yankees had when they opted to make the trade, but understanding what you don’t know might lead to better comments.”

    Agreed…..but let’s keep in mind we could be saying the same things about the Seattle front office…..did they make an informed decision to trade Pineda with better information than their fans? Maybe they both were right and it’ll work out for both teams…..but most of the time someone wins and someone loses in a trade…..hopefully the Yanks are right on this one.

  59. G. Love February 27th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    I think the only time Melky will ever wear pinstripes again is at an old timer’s game.

    This club will never give him long term big dollars to come back here. They won’t trust him with the kind of financial security he can get on the open market if he has another good year. They blamed him for distracting Cano & they dealt him away like he was a spare part. When Atlanta released him they had the chance to bring him back and Arod was telling them he was a changed man they completely ignored him.

    The team won’t go there again.

    What most likely will happen is Swisher will come back at a 4 year 60 million deal (the Yankees will only want to do 3/45) or the Yankees will make a trade for a RF’er of the future and Betances and Banuelos will be history.

    Swisher is not going to take a pay cut to stay here. He could easily get 4/48 on the open market and sign with a contending team.

    The only thing that can go wrong for him at this point is he’s so jacked up all year he collapses into a pool of Red Bull and has a horrible season. Which is entirely possible with him. For the Yankees sake, I hope he’s better than usual especially from the left side of the plate where they need major help.

  60. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    “Rich, I have not said and do not think that it’s unreasonable to oppose the trade, per se, but six weeks of complaints premised on the Yankees having some fundamental misunderstanding of their own needs and future plans is not the epitome of reasoned analysis.”

    Nick, I have made an effort to look at the so called complaints, and I see more complaining about the complaining about the trade than actual complaining about the trade.

    “Speaking just for myself, it’s the quality and expression of some of the dissent that’s at issue, not the presence of dissent itself. There are plenty of commenters here who opposed the trade but have also recognized that it could easily be a 50/50 proposition or better and could end up working out extremely well for the Yankees.”

    If that’s the way you feel, then I would suggest that you point out specific flaws in the quality of expression, rather than conclusory assessments of that expression. IMO, that would advance the debate.

    Speaking for myself, I have acknowledged that the trade could work out well for the Yankees, and I sincerely hope that it does.

  61. Joe from Long Island February 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    tom in n.j. – yeah, that doesn’t make sense to me, either.

  62. willwill February 27th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Banuelos looked impressive. I think tex was only person that may of even hit anything solid off him, and it was a hard hit ball towards 2nd base on the ground.

  63. Yanks78 February 27th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “According to ESPN, the Yankees currently have the third oldest 40-man roster in the big leagues with an average age of 28.6 years. The Phillies (29.2) and Diamondbacks (28.7) are the only clubs ahead of them, and the next closest AL team is the Red Sox at 27.7.”

    Maybe if they wouldn’t trade away their 21 yr old star hitter, they wouldn’t be so old.

    And I’m surprised the D’Backs are on that list… I thought most of their core was young.

  64. Joe from Long Island February 27th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    pineda is, what, 22, 23 years old? not exactly ready for old timers day.

  65. Tar February 27th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “….and however you feel about the trade that’s why they made it. I wouldn’t have done it…..”

    Nick I’m calling bull. It’s apparent You have a problem with dissent on this trade. The above quote from Blake did not warrant your “you don’t know what they know” lecture.

    Typing on my phone is no fun so I will do I’m out for now.

  66. stuckey February 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    “If that’s the way you feel, then I would suggest that you point out specific flaws in the quality of expression..”

    “Maybe if they wouldn’t trade away their 21 yr old star hitter, they wouldn’t be so old.”

    Like that?

  67. Cashmoney February 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Montero got traded?

  68. Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Swisher isn’t signing for 8 million.

    ———————————————

    You think he wouldn’t, I think he would and gave my reasons. Yours?

    He will want and get at least two years after this season, or will he? What if he sucks this year? If he sucks he’s not getting more than a year or $8M because his defense isn’t good enough for a team to risk giving him two years at $8M or more per. Does he really want to risk getting a two-year $10-13M deal from some other team? That’s better than $8M to stay with the Yanks one more year? C’mon. The guy isn’t about the money, he’s about staying a Yankee as long as he can and $8M is respectable for the simple fact that he’s being offered an extension from a team which rarely offers them period. Yeah, an extension is a team safeguarding themselves from a player being able to get top dollar in what would’ve been his walk year and controlling him for one more year, but it is also a team telling a player they like him so much they want him to stay beyond the current contract which is uncommon if not a rarity in a “What have you done for me lately?” sports culture. Swisher strikes me as the kind of guy who’d consider an extension a compliment and a commitment to him, not a way to save money or keep him on the cheap. He’s crazy if he thinks he’s getting two or more years at $9M or more including what he’s being paid for this year even if he has a typical year because he is not worth that, not with Melky Cabrera a free-agent after this year. Melky is a legitimate candidate to replace him as it’s no secret Melky loves the Yanks thus would love to return to the Yanks. Melky made only $6M last year, so Swisher is being vastly overpaid for 2012 at $10.25M if you compare their 2011s. Melky is younger, faster, a better outfielder with more range and arm strength. He has more stolen base ability than Swisher and is primed to show just as much power but who cares if Melky belted 15-20 HR a year the rest of his career as long as he does what he did in 2011 more or less?

    He will be an even worse RF than he is now in 2014. That means he has to be the DH in 2014 if he’s kept and that would mean A-Rod would have to play the field in 2014, but what if A-Rod has to be the DH then? What if he AND Swisher have to be the DH then? These are legitimate questions as it’s about defense as well as offense. I didn’t know the Yanks were building the team around where Swisher has to play. That would also mean zero flexibility in the DH as Swisher would have to DH enough to justify his cost. Ibanez is making only $1.1M base this year, so 200-250 AB from him is fine. If the Yanks got a guy good enough to bump Swisher to DH today, I’d cut Ibanez tomorrow because Ibanez isn’t good enough to be a backup OF. Swisher would need I’d say at least 500 AB to justify the $8M or more he’d be paid in a new contract, or do the Yanks want to pay $8M or more for a guy collecting only 300-350 AB tops cuz A-Rod et.al. will need DH starts, too?

    A one-year extension also safeguards Swisher from having to take a one-year deal for less than $8M if he has a crap 2012 and no one will give him more than a year. If he has a typical year in 2012 he further strengthens his next payday. If he has a solid 2012-13, he will have no problem securing at least two years at top or near top dollar for a DH which is what he’ll probably be in 2014 (if not a bad RF.)

  69. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    You think he wouldn’t, I think he would and gave my reasons. Yours?

    Cuddyer got 10.5 million per year and Cuddyer is a worse player than Nick Swisher and older. Swisher consistently puts up high .800 OPS and plays league average defense in RF.

  70. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Why do you think Swisher is going to turn into a DH in 3 years????? He plays rightfield, not short stop. He can also play 1st.

  71. Nick in SF February 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    “but let’s keep in mind we could be saying the same things about the Seattle front office…..did they make an informed decision to trade Pineda with better information than their fans? Maybe they both were right and it’ll work out for both teams…”

    Absolutely, and as you recognized, it could work out for both teams. But regardless how the trade ends up working out, as it’s a gamble for both, it could still make sense for both teams at its inception. We know from Econ 101 how trade can benefit both parties.

    In this case, two very different franchises with different rosters, different farm systems, in different divisions, so while they’re competing in the same industry and with the same goals, it’s not like two fruits stands on opposite corners swapping bushels of apples and then trying to figure out who got the better of the deal later.

  72. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Raul Ibanez made 11 mil per year from the Phillies as a 37 year old with defense worse than any Swisher ever put up.

    Swisher is not signing some sweetheart 8 million dollar 1 year contract.

  73. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Melky made only $6M last year, so Swisher is being vastly overpaid for 2012 at $10.25M if you compare their 2011s.

    Melky is not a free agent, thus Melky makes less money. When Melky becomes a free agent, he will demand more money, that is how free agency works. Your players are cost efficient before free agency, and after they become overpaid simply because of the nature of free agency.

    You have written a lot of nonsense.

  74. G. Love February 27th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    There is no way on this planet that Swisher will resign for a one year 8 million extension. It’s a pay cut. He’s in his 30′s. This is his last chance to get a long term deal. He’ll command at minimum 4/48 and more likely 4/60 or 5/75 on the open market.

    He would not accept 8 million dollars even if the Yankees told him they would retire his number and name the RF bleachers after him.

    I don’t even know why I’m discussing. It’s a waste of time to even speculate him doing something so unthinkable.

    You want to know how he’ll take 8 million? If he hits .220 with 15 HR’s and 70 RBI for the season.

  75. Nick in SF February 27th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    “Nick I’m calling bull. It’s apparent You have a problem with dissent on this trade. The above quote from Blake did not warrant your “you don’t know what they know” lecture.”

    And I’m calling bull on your call. The quote you gave was not what led to my longer comment, it was blake’s subsequent response.

    You can miss a lot when you’re skimming on a phone.

    :arrow:

  76. Cashmoney February 27th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Swisher is not signing some sweetheart 8 million dollar 1 year contract.
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    Prolly not, i think it’s contingent up how he does this year Jerk. If he puts up similar offensive production theb he is a 10-12 mil player on open market. or, if he has an below average year i can see he settles for less. either way, neither of the claim of 8 or greater r preposterous imo..

  77. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    There is no advantage for Swisher to sign a 1 year 8 million dollar extension. Its not even an extension, its a dick punch by the Yankees. He doesn’t want to be a Yankee for 1 year, he wants to be a Yankee for the end of his days. Why? Well I’m sure he likes winning but he also knows the Yankees pay lots of money for players. Who have they ever bamboozled for a below market contract?

  78. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Prolly not, i think it’s contingent up how he does this year Jerk. If he puts up similar offensive production theb he is a 10-12 mil player on open market. or, if he has an below average year i can see he settles for less. either way, neither of the claim of 8 or greater r preposterous imo..

    8 million AAV for 3-4 years? MAYBE, but unlikely when a worse player got 10.5. 1 year for 12-15 million? MAYBE, but unlikely because all the other OFers got 3 years.

    1 year for 8 million? The best possible combination for the Yankees and the worst possible combination for Swisher? No.

    This is his last big payday most likely. He isn’t delaying it for 1 year @ below market.

  79. Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    G. Love February 27th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    I think the only time Melky will ever wear pinstripes again is at an old timer’s game.

    REALLY? SO IF HE HAS A 2012 LIKE/BETTER/AROUND HIS 2011 THE YANKS WILL SUMMARILY PASS? NO WAY. THEY WILL SHOW INTEREST.

    This club will never give him long term big dollars to come back here. They won’t trust him with the kind of financial security he can get on the open market if he has another good year. They blamed him for distracting Cano & they dealt him away like he was a spare part. When Atlanta released him they had the chance to bring him back and Arod was telling them he was a changed man they completely ignored him.

    NY MEDIA FABRICATED BS. THERE’S NO CONCRETE PROOF HE DISTRACTED CANO. MELKY WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE THE SECOND-BEST OUTFIELDER BEHIND GRANDERSON AND THE THIRD BEST ALL-AROUND EVERYDAY PLAYER ON THE YANKS IF HE WAS TRADED TO THE YANKS TODAY.

    The team won’t go there again.

    HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU DON’T. NEITHER DO I. LET’S SEE. IF MELKY HAS ANOTHER GREAT YEAR, HE COULD BE BACK. IF THE YANKS CAN BRING BACK RUBEN SIERRA (A YANKEE CLUBHOUSE MALCONTENT WHO WAS AT ODDS WITH TORRE SO MUCH THEY TRADED HIM DURING 1996), JAVIER VASQUEZ, AND NICK JOHNSON, THEY CAN BRING BACK MELKY CABRERA.

    What most likely will happen is Swisher will come back at a 4 year 60 million deal (the Yankees will only want to do 3/45) or the Yankees will make a trade for a RF’er of the future and Betances and Banuelos will be history.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ARE YOU SERIOUS? 4 YEARS ALONE HAS ME LOL. $15M PER/$60 TOTAL IS PLAIN RIDICULOUS. THE YANKS WOULD BE ABSOLUTE FOOLS TO GIVE HIM A THIRD OR HALF THAT. KEEP DREAMING IF YOU THINK THE YANKS ARE TRADING BETANCES AND BANUELOS FOR A RF.

    Swisher is not going to take a pay cut to stay here. He could easily get 4/48 on the open market and sign with a contending team.

    HE SURE SOUNDS LIKE A GUY WHO WOULD. HE SAID IN THE ARTICLE IT’S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY, HE AND HIS WIFE MAKE PLENTY OF IT, IN SO MANY WORDS. HE SOUNDED LIKE A GUY WHO WANTS AN EXTENSION BUT WON’T TIP HIS HAND AS PER PLAYERS’ UNION PROTOCOL (AS WE ALL NOW THE UNION HATES IT WHEN A GUY ACCEPTS AN EXTENSION – THEY MUST’VE CURSED SABATHIA FOR TAKING ONE.) KEEP DREAMING ON THE 4 YEARS ALONE. $48M IS RIDICULOUS, TOO.

    The only thing that can go wrong for him at this point is he’s so jacked up all year he collapses into a pool of Red Bull and has a horrible season. Which is entirely possible with him. For the Yankees sake, I hope he’s better than usual especially from the left side of the plate where they need major help.

    AND YET YOU SAY HE’S WORTH 4/48 OR 4/60. C’MON. YOU’RE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. FIRST YOU SAY HE’S WORTH 4/60 THEN TONE IT DOWN WITH 4/48 NOW YOU’RE SAYING HE COULD IMPLODE.

  80. Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    There is no advantage for Swisher to sign a 1 year 8 million dollar extension.

    ACTUALLY THERE IS. HE DOESN’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 2012 BEING HIS WALK YEAR WHICH MEANS HE CAN PLAY 2012 PRESSURE-FREE AS JUST ONE OF THE SECOND-LINE GUYS AFTER THE FIRST LINE (CC, MO, JETER, A-ROD, CANO, TEIXIERA.) IF HE SUCKS IN 2012, HE HAS 2013 TO RIGHT HIS SHIP FOR THE NEXT CONTRACT. HE JOINS A RARE GROUP OF YANKEES BEING EXTENDED. HE REMAINS A YANKEE THROUGH 2013. THIS MEANS HE AND HIS WIFE CAN ENJOY ANOTHER YEAR IN THE GREATEST CITY/METROPOLITAN AREA IN THE WORLD. IF THEY HAD A KID/S THAT’D ALSO MEAN ANOTHER YEAR THE KID/S STAY IN THEIR SCHOOL/S. HE MAKES $X IN ENDORSEMENTS HE’D NEVER MAKE ANYWHERE ELSE. HE HAS A CHANCE TO GRAB TWO MORE WORLD SERIES RINGS FOR THREE TOTAL. HE COULD HAVE THREE WORLD SERIES RINGS BY CONTRACT’S END IF THE YANKS ARE GOOD ENOUGH. HE’D HAVE UP TO TWO SHOTS AT POSTSEASON REDEMPTION.

    Its not even an extension, its a dick punch by the Yankees. He doesn’t want to be a Yankee for 1 year, he wants to be a Yankee for the end of his days.

    AN EXTENSION THEY’RE NOT GIVING MARTIN (WHO IS MORE VALUABLE TO THE YANKS THAN SWISHER IS AND EVER WILL BE) OR EVEN OFFERING MO TO HAVE HIM FOR ONE MORE YEAR SO THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHO >>>MIGHT<<< BE THEIR 2014 CLOSER IS A DICK PUNCH? NO WAY. IT'S NICE THAT SWISHER WANTS TO BE A YANKEE 'TIL HE HANGS UP THE SPIKES, BUT THE REALITY IS HE IS NOT A PLAYER ANYWHERE CLOSE TO BEING ONE THE YANKS WOULD WANT TO KEEP "FOR THE END OF HIS (PLAYING) DAYS". HE'S 31. SAY HE PLAYS 'TIL AGE 36. HE'S GOOD ENOUGH TO BE KEPT FOR A HALF-DECADE WITH THE DEFENSE HE PLAYS? NO WAY. I LOVE SWISH, BUT NOT THAT MUCH.

    Why? Well I’m sure he likes winning but he also knows the Yankees pay lots of money for players. Who have they ever bamboozled for a below market contract?

    CC SABATHIA, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO SUBMIT A NEW CONTRACT OFFER TO HIM. CC DECLINED TO OPT-OUT AND ACCEPTED TACKING ON JUST ONE YEAR AND $25M TO HIS CURRENT CONTRACT WHEN HE COULD'VE EASILY OPTED OUT AND GOT SIX TO EIGHT YEARS AT WHATEVER HE WANTED PER YEAR FROM THE YANKS OR SOMEONE ELSE WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHAT THE ANGELS OVERPAID FOR THAT TWO-YEAR WONDER, #3 STARTER BEING TOUTED AS AN ACE OR #2 C.J. WILSON AND WHAT THEY PAID FOR NO LONGER IN HIS TWENTIES / AGE 32 ALBERT PUJOLS. WE'LL SEE IF HE IS WORTH THE $250+M HE GOT. LOOK AT THE CARL CRAWFORD, ADRIAN GONZALEZ, AND PRINCE FIELDER CONTRACTS. CC IS WORTH MORE THAN ANY ONE OR TWO IF NOT ALL THREE OF THOSE PLAYERS. BOSTON WOULD TRADE CRAWFORD AND GONZALEZ TO THE YANKS STRAIGHT UP FOR CC TODAY. DETROIT WOULD SWAP FIELDER FOR CC TODAY.

    CC IS ONE OF ONLY THREE BONAFIDE YEAR IN YEAR OUT ACES (THE OTHER TWO BEING KING FELIX AND VERLANDER) YET HE DIDN'T OPT OUT. BAMBOOZLED IN TERMS OF WHAT HE COULD'VE ASKED FOR AND RECEIVED.

  81. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Why would Swisher sign a 1 year deal to ‘avoid the pressure of a walk year’ when he’d just go have another walk year in 2013???? do you think Swisher is going to sign perpetual 1 year deals? And why for below market? CC got market price for his extension and only because he had an opt out. And its really a 2 year extension. And it makes him the highest paid pitcher in the league, so not really the same.

    Martin was offered 3 years at around the same pay he gets this year. Not a pay cut. And Martin rejected it. Swish isn’t taking 1 year for way less than he makes now.

  82. Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Prolly not, i think it’s contingent up how he does this year Jerk. If he puts up similar offensive production theb he is a 10-12 mil player on open market. or, if he has an below average year i can see he settles for less. either way, neither of the claim of 8 or greater r preposterous imo..

    8 million AAV for 3-4 years? MAYBE, but unlikely when a worse player got 10.5. 1 year for 12-15 million? MAYBE, but unlikely because all the other OFers got 3 years.

    1 year for 8 million? The best possible combination for the Yankees and the worst possible combination for Swisher? No.

    This is his last big payday most likely. He isn’t delaying it for 1 year @ below market.

    IF THAT’S THE CASE THEN HE IS RISKING HAVING BAD YEAR, BEING LET GO, AND RE-SIGNING WITH THE A’S FOR $5M BASE TOPS, BECAUSE THAT’S PROBABLY WHERE HE’D WIND UP (IF BILLY BEANE WOULD EVEN WANT HIM BACK) AND ALL HE’D GET ON THE OPEN MARKET. NO ONE IS GIVING TWO OR MORE YEARS TO A 32-YEAR OLD RF WHO PLAYS OK AT BEST DEFENSE, CAN’T HIT FOR AVERAGE, AND IS WORTHLESS IF HE DOESN’T POST THE HR AND/OR OBP WHICH JUSTIFIES SIGNING HIM LONG-TERM. REMEMEBER SWISHER HAS COLLECTED THE RBI HE HAS COLLECTED FOR THE YANKS BECAUSE OF THE LINEUP HE’S IN. HE HAS HIT 81 HR WITH THE BENEFIT OF THE YANKS RF PORCH FOR HALF THE SEASON. IT’S ARGUABLEH HE COULD DO THE SAME OR BETTER ELSEWHERE. HISTORY SHOWS HE DIDN’T MUCH BEFORE HE JOINED THE YANKS. SWISHER AND THE YANKS ARE A PERFECT FIT FOR EACH OTHER. SWISHER IS THE RF WHO BATS SEVENTH AND SOMETIMES SECOND WHO DOESN’T HAVE TO POST BIG NUMBERS OR BE ONE OF THE BIG MEN WITH THE BAT BECAUSE JETER, CANO, A-ROD, TEIXIERA, AND GRANDERSON ARE THAT. MARTIN HAS WAY MORE PRESSURE THAN HIM ON BEING THE CATCHER. SWISHER BLENDS INTO THE PATCHWORK. HE’S A SECOND-LINE SOLDIER AND HAPPY TO BE THAT, AND NO ONE CAN TELL ME THAT ISN’T A BIG REASON WHY HE POSTS THE NUMBERS HE DOES.

  83. Jerkface February 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Your rantings are crazy and illogical. There is no way Swisher is getting 5 million base when Josh Willingham, a guy who was in the A’s lineup, went out and got 7 million for 3 years and he plays FAR worse defense and is a platoon hitter.

    Every player who goes to FA risks having a bad year. But signing a 1 year extension doesn’t reduce that risk, it just delays it 1 year (for worse salary).

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