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From one lefty to another

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 27, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Until last spring, Manny Banuelos had never been to big league camp. That means, until today, Andy Pettitte had never seen the Yankees top lefty prospect.

“That’s the first time I’ve seen him throw,” Pettitte said, after watching Banuelos throw batting practice to a group that included Alex Rodriguez. “He looks great, man. The ball just explodes coming out of his hand… You never know what anybody’s going to do until they get to the big league level, and they go out there and they are kind of battle-tested, you know what I’m saying? You can talk about people all you want, but he looks great. His stuff looks great. He’s just got a live arm, and from what I hear, he’s got a chance to do some good things. Obviously, I haven’t even had a chance to meet him yet, but I’ll try to introduce myself to him and talk to him, and if I can do anything to help him I would love to be able to do that, that’s for sure.”

Dellin Betances pitched immediately after Banuelos, on the same mound. Two top prospects with a lot of eyes on them before their expected assignment to the minor league complex. I’ve had people ask me how they look, and the truth of the matter is, it’s hard for me to say. Right now they’re blowing pitches past big league hitters, but it’s too early to know what that means. Derek Jeter literally refuses to swing during these early BP sessions.

“I think both (Banuelos and Betances) are improved,” Joe Girardi said. “I think they’re more consistent in the strikes they throw, in their mechanics, the quality of the pitches they throw. I can see it.”

A lot of people have seen the talent, but Pettitte has actually seen the path it takes to go from minor league prospect to big league standout.

“The difference between pitching at the Triple-A level, the minor-league level, and making the jump to the big leagues is obviously being able to repeat your mechanics and the consistency to be able to throw the ball on the corner,” Pettitte said. “You can’t throw the ball down the middle of the plate. That is so hard to do. It’s the repetition, the work in the bullpen, how seriously you have to take that bullpen work. Then mentally, trying to get to the place where you’re doing that kind of work like you’re in the game, because then it comes down to who can make the pitches in the crucial time during the game. That’s what separates good and great pitchers from being mediocre or being a Triple-A pitcher. It’s such a fine line, and it’s so hard. Sometimes all you need is an opportunity. You have to work hard. I know everybody says that, but a lot of it is a mental approach and mental makeup, the mental aspect than anything physical.”

Associated Press photo of Banuelos

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310 Responses to “From one lefty to another”

  1. Rice Pudding Flavoured Relief Pitcher February 27th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    PREACH ANDY PREACH!!!!!!!

  2. blake February 27th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    10m Ken Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal ? @Ken_Rosenthal

    Molina average salary of $14M-$15M in new deal with #STLCards would be second-highest ever for catcher behind Mauer at $23M. #MLB

    pretty big money for Yaddie

  3. blake February 27th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Andy needs to teach Banuelos his pick off move.

  4. BD (Boston Dave) February 27th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Yadier!!!

    5/~75M would be a pretty big deal

  5. BD (Boston Dave) February 27th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Hard to tell Martin he’s not worth half of that….

    even if the Cards gave a ton of money to Molina, Martin isn’t gonna “settle” for what the yanks are offering.

    could get interesting…

  6. luis February 27th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    blake February 27th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
    Andy needs to teach Banuelos his pick off move.

    ==========================

    Hi everyone!!,

    I’ll be content if he teaches him how to hold runners efectively.

  7. LGY February 27th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    The Cards must be banking on 2011 being a sign of things to come offensively for Molina instead of a career year.

  8. Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    If that’s the case, I’d let Martin walk. Cervelli can give you a similar slash-line…

  9. luis February 27th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Agreed

  10. Tar February 27th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    “If that’s the case, I’d let Martin walk. Cervelli can give you a similar slash-line…”

    Yeah not to mention what Montero might do… Oh wait!!

    Sorry couldn’t resist. :D

  11. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Walk.

  12. luis February 27th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Tar,

    LMAO!! :)

  13. blake February 27th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    “The Cards must be banking on 2011 being a sign of things to come offensively for Molina instead of a career year.”

    Yea….Yaddie is great….but if the offense isn’t what it was last year then its an over pay.

    Luis,

    True….that’s most important…..but controlling the running game really helped Andy…
    .he just shut it down

  14. PhiltheThrill February 27th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Martin is not the answer.

  15. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Thanks for the update on the B’s, Chad.

    Contrary to what I previously thought, Teix doesn’t exactly sound like a hitter who is committed to beating the shift here. He appears to be too worried about his power numbers.

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....erspective

  16. luis February 27th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    blake,

    In deed….he was the best at controlling the running game, i just hope ManBan can become half as good as Andy, with his stuff if he acomplishes that he is going to be incredible.

  17. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    “He appears to be too worried about his power numbers.”

    The short porch has killed his game.

  18. LGY February 27th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    @SeyMoreeeee: @Joelsherman1 Do you envision the Yankees going all out for Hamels, or will the $189M prevent them?

    @Joelsherman1: @SeyMoreeeee $189M will prevent them

  19. luis February 27th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Hi Yankeefem,

    Thank you for the link, interesting read. What he has to do in my opinion is work on not collapsing his back leg, so he can have a more leveled swing, remember that last season he tried to go the other way, and most of the times he got weak popouts. If he manages to do that, he can go the other way with authority and his power numbers won’t suffer.Still i am little concerned about Teix being worried about his power numbers, that could lead to even worse results

  20. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Hi luis, agree about his need to dispose of the upper cut swing, and stop collapsing the back leg. Teix did have some line drive shots (2 outs, one double) to left vs. RHP in the playoffs, so I am/was hopeful. But I am just not liking the mentality/ambivalence he seems to have (as per his quotes in the above article).

  21. luis February 27th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    YF,

    Yup, very troublesome, you don’t want him to be fixated on that aspect, he just have to focus on making solid contact, eventually the balls will start to fall where there is no fielder, but if he concentrates on hitting for the fences, YIKES!!! i don’t want to even think how his numbers are going to suffer

  22. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Phil Rogers ? @ChiTribRogers
    #Yankees are maintaining their interest in Jorge Soler. They’re in group that see Soler as having more upside than Yoenis Cespedes.

    26 Feb Phil Rogers ? @ChiTribRogers
    Alex Rodriguez is making a very strong impression in the #yankees camp. Repairs, adjustments cld lead to big year.

  23. Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    PhiltheThrill February 27th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Martin is not the answer.

    —————————————– Who is then?

    Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    If that’s the case, I’d let Martin walk. Cervelli can give you a similar slash-line…
    luis February 27th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Tom in N.J. February 27th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Agreed

    ——————————————– Keep dreaming. Martin > Cervelli who is a career backup.

  24. luis February 27th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    ———————————-

    Yes he is better than Cervelli, but i don’t think he is the answer for the Yankees, i rather wait to see what Romine has to offer, and if he can’t deliver, i would rather have the other Montero instead of Martin.

  25. LGY February 27th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Keep dreaming. Martin > Cervelli who is a career backup.

    ———————–

    Martin 2009-2011:

    .245/.341/.356 88 OPS+

  26. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Martin may be > than Cervelli, but Martin’s value decreases in an overpay.

    luis, I agree, but the fake Montero will now also be pricey after that Yadier contract has set a precedent. Grow your own, I always say. Romine, at least for @half of this season, needs to continue working on his hitting. And let’s see if he can stay healthy. Too bad Sanchez is @3 years away. JR will be available perhaps a little sooner…

  27. luis February 27th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Martin 2009-2011:

    .245/.341/.356 88 OPS+

    =======================

    oops!! maybe he isn’t.

  28. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    “Keep dreaming. Martin > Cervelli who is a career backup.”

    So what? He still isn’t worth keeping.

  29. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    FWIW, it looks like Martin is in great shape. He was worn down last year. Ironic, considering Joe G. was a catcher, and likes to keep his players well rested. I guess Joe just didn’t trust anyone else to catch. :roll:

  30. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Rich, QFT.

  31. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Any info on who else is pitching besides Hughes on March 11th, as per Chad’s post? Has this weekend been announced?

  32. luis February 27th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Yankeefem,

    Don’t get me wrong…..You know better than most how i feel about the situation. But if you are going to extend Martin i rather go with the fake Montero, having said that, i pointed out that since we have Martin for another year, we should wait and see what Romine can do before extending anyone.

    I think Romine needs to have a good season at Triple A and be healthy as you very well pointed out. I am with you that you have to grow your own, especially in such a critical position. How soon do you think JR Murphy might be ready?? 2013?. Do you think he can stick at the position?, last time i heard about him is that he wasn’t very good at the position but that he had a great bat.

  33. David in Cal February 27th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    I don’t think Cervelli will be a regular, because of his concussion history. In fact, I think he should retire right now, for his own good. The concussions he has already had are apt to cause serious brain damage in middle age.

  34. Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Why should Cervelli retire if the Yankees’ doctors don’t think he should? It’s not like he’s probably going to make this money doing anything else. So why should he throw away a once in a lifetime opportunity to secure his family’s future?

  35. luis February 27th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
    Any info on who else is pitching besides Hughes on March 11th, as per Chad’s post? Has this weekend been announced?

    =======================

    Yes, i read a post at RAB with schedule, here is the link:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ion-64622/

    A lot of tlevised games, but they are 1 pm

  36. m February 27th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    YF,

    Chad had an earlier post with the scheduled starters. Hughes will relieve CC and then fall in to the rotation. One of the AAA guys, then the ML starters follow after that.

  37. luis February 27th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    YF,

    About my previous post i might add, that i have lost a little faith in the FO

  38. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Romine missed 19 games with a concussion last season. Should he retire also? For all we know his back issues in August, and the current ones are all related to the concussion. Catching = having concussions, unfortunately. Who can say if catchers are taking risks? And FTR, Yanks didn’t seem to care about Posada taking a risk.

  39. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    luis, m, I only saw CC listed and Hughes though. Do we have an actual order? Or does that commence on March 11th? I missed a bunch of posts because I was working, so was there any other info?

    Also, recall Chad said the AAA pitchers were ahead of the vets, so I expect they will get into games this weekend. Also tyanks thought Marshall might get into the Friday game against U/Fla.

  40. luis February 27th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Rich,

    You are on fire!!

  41. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    luis, I just opened your link, so now I understand. Muchas gracias!

  42. luis February 27th, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    De nada!! YF

  43. m February 27th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Josh said he had lapses in judgement last year. Today he said the snitches made up all that stuff. Cray-cray!!!

    Then Valentine responded to Francona’s comments by saying Francona gets paid to say things, and he gets paid to do things. Zing!

  44. randy l. February 27th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    “Why should Cervelli retire if the Yankees’ doctors don’t think he should? It’s not like he’s probably going to make this money doing anything else. So why should he throw away a once in a lifetime opportunity to secure his family’s future?”

    rich n nj-

    i agree with you he should keep adding to his lifetime savings and build up mlb service time for the pension plan. its prorated for playing time and i don’t think he’s maxed out yet. not sure of that though.

    but he’s one hit away from being done. its that serious i think. yeah, he can roll the dice, but it’s a calculated risk. if i were him i’d play too, but he needs to be awareone more bad one this year and he’s probably done for good unless he just wants to risk permanent brain damage.

  45. yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    luis, I agree about fake Montero, but doubt the Yankees will.

    As of right now, I believe JR will be ready before Sanchez, but that is based only on JR’s progress this year. I have only seen them play twice. However, after this season Newman said they really liked JR’s progress behind the plate. I think Sanchez is a little behind, and has a lot of work to do. And yes, JR has a very good bat, great plate discipline, very advanced, but he doesn’t have any where near the power Sanchez has. Sanchez’s power is off the charts to all fields. 2014 sounds about right, but I have this sneaky feeling JR may be ready in 2013. He is extremely driven. Yanks love his leadership. Sanchez has a much greater adjustment to make, even culturally. But again, Sanchez’s bat is the only one I have seen that as far as power is concerned can approach the real Montero’s bat.

  46. luis February 27th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    randy I,

    If that’s the case, Romine has had similar hits, plus his back problems. Are you optimistic that he can stay healthy?

  47. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Thing with Romine is, he was playing after he had the concussion and didn’t realize that he had had one. Never a good thing.

    Why is it that whenever Hughes pitches in ST the game isn’t televised? This has been the case for @3 years.

  48. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    randy

    Have there been reports, published or otherwise, that the Yankees don’t put their players’ well-being first? If not, I trust the Yankees and their medical personnel to keep all their players informed of the risks they assume by playing,

  49. LGY February 28th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    If Martin wants something in the neighborhood of what Swish is asking for, it really doesn’t make sense to invest in Martin.

    I’m not a Romine fan but some combination of him and Cervelli could suffice until one of the bigger bats in Murphy or Sanchez are ready. Contingent of course on retaining Swish.

    OR… Just let Martin and Swish walk and sign NAPOLI or Montero!

  50. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    m February 27th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
    Josh said he had lapses in judgement last year. Today he said the snitches made up all that stuff. Cray-cray!!!

    Then Valentine responded to Francona’s comments by saying Francona gets paid to say things, and he gets paid to do things. Zing!

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Sort like Valentine shooting his mouth off all last year. Within 2 years, Francona will be doing things and Valentine will be back to talking again. In the meantime, he’ll invent Boston Wraps and named after his players. Trouble is that it won’t be sandwiches. He’ll need bubble wrap.

  51. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    “Just let Martin and Swish walk and sign NAPOLI or Montero!”

    That’s my plan, fwiw.

  52. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    yankeefeminista February 27th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
    luis, I agree about fake Montero, but doubt the Yankees will.

    As of right now, I believe JR will be ready before Sanchez, but that is based only on JR’s progress this year. I have only seen them play twice. However, after this season Newman said they really liked JR’s progress behind the plate. I think Sanchez is a little behind, and has a lot of work to do. And yes, JR has a very good bat, great plate discipline, very advanced, but he doesn’t have any where near the power Sanchez has. Sanchez’s power is off the charts to all fields. 2014 sounds about right, but I have this sneaky feeling JR may be ready in 2013. He is extremely driven. Yanks love his leadership. Sanchez has a much greater adjustment to make, even culturally. But again, Sanchez’s bat is the only one I have seen that as far as power is concerned can approach the real Montero’s bat.

    ===================================

    Let’s hope El Maquinito developes real fast!!, i hope he can shorten his swing a little bit though, i would love to see a tandem of Murphy/Sanchez in the not so distant future.

  53. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Martin will not cost nearly what Miguel Montero, Molina and Napoli will cost next year, but, don’t be shocked if he doesn’t put up similar numbers this year.

  54. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    None of those catchers are going to “walk’.

  55. LGY February 28th, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Or sign NAPOLI And Montero and have a badass C/DH combo :D

  56. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    I will be shocked, floored actually.

  57. LGY February 28th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    Martin will not cost nearly what Miguel Montero, Molina and Napoli will cost next year, but, don’t be shocked if he doesn’t put up similar numbers this year.

    ——

    How much do you think he’ll cost?

  58. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:12 am

    GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 12:06 am
    Martin will not cost nearly what Miguel Montero, Molina and Napoli will cost next year, but, don’t be shocked if he doesn’t put up similar numbers this year.

    ======================================

    Sorry if i didn’t understand you correctly…….Do you think Martin can put numbers like the ones either of those catchers are capable of??

  59. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:12 am

    Let’s hope El Maquinito developes real fast!!, i hope he can shorten his swing a little bit though, i would love to see a tandem of Murphy/Sanchez in the not so distant future.
    _____
    I would love that but Girardi wouldn’t be able to handle having two “offensive” catchers, let alone one, so… I am not holding my breath.

  60. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    LGY,

    Do you have Martin’s numbers without last season’s hot april?? i’m sure his numbers would be a lot worse than they already are

  61. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:16 am

    Yankeefem,

    I’m not holding mine either…..As i said earlier, i lost a little faith in the FO

  62. LGY February 28th, 2012 at 12:17 am

    luis

    .225/.313/.368

  63. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Martin is a better hitter when he takes everything up the middle, but he appears to be so enamored with hitting HR that he becomes pull happy and becomes easy to pitch too. He really needs to dial it down and maximize what he is best at.

  64. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 12:19 am

    yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:12 am
    Let’s hope El Maquinito developes real fast!!, i hope he can shorten his swing a little bit though, i would love to see a tandem of Murphy/Sanchez in the not so distant future.
    _____
    I would love that but Girardi wouldn’t be able to handle having two “offensive” catchers, let alone one, so… I am not holding my breath.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Did you see the photo that i posted last night of the insurance building in Greenville, SC that Sanchez hit three times last year? 1 at the third story level and two on the roof?

  65. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    LGY,

    YIKES!!!

    Rich,

    Yup, but his approach is all or nothing, especially when it counts

  66. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Luis, I am not sure what El Maguintio’s swing ended up looking like late, but I know he made adjustments, such as going opposite field more and cutting down on his K’s. So, that video, which was old, may be even a little more outdated.

  67. m February 28th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    YF,

    It was an earlier post. Here’s the schedule and the link:

    March 2: Adam Warren
    March 3: Ivan Nova
    March 4: Freddy Garcia
    March 5: Michael Pineda
    March 6: CC Sabathia/Phil Hughes
    March 7: Hiroki Kuroda

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....ation-set/

  68. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:24 am

    GB, No, I did not. Do you still have a link?

    He made some very loud outs when I saw him in Lakewood. The power was electric–Jimi Hendrix worthy. The ball just exploded off his bat.

  69. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    Thanks, m.

  70. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    Right luis, which is why he is usually an offensive liability.

  71. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    *Maquinito

  72. m February 28th, 2012 at 12:29 am

    NP. :)

    Espn NY blog has a running feature called Yankees O/U.

    Today’s question was Pineda O/U 15 wins?

    I’m thinking under. I have no doubt he’ll be good. Just a feeling. Hope I’m wrong!

  73. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    YF,

    I sure hope so…..The real Montero’s swing was a thing of beauty, no holes…..i hope Sanchez can develope that kind of stroke, and the FO wise up a little bit and don’t let Girardi’s love for defense hinder his chances

  74. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    YF, it’s a 5 story building. The three homers came in one series. It sits across the parking lot, maybe 425-450 feet from the plate. He was 18. You’re correct in that he started going to right center and down the right field line more late in the season.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....eDrive.jpg

  75. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    m,

    I’m thinking somewhere around 15 should be great for the kid.

    Rich,

    That’s why i don’t like him, i rather have a patient hitter with a very good situational aproach

  76. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:38 am

    GB, lol. Sanchez absolutely creamed the ball when I saw him. I am extremely frustrated that I won’t get to see him hit. At least some of you Lohudders down South will get to see him play.

  77. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    “Today’s question was Pineda O/U 15 wins?”

    As I mentioned before on this blog, push.

    luis

    The other thing about Martin is that he hasn’t stayed healthy. We need that more than anything from him this year.

  78. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    Rich, how did Martin ever put up those 2007 & 2008 OBP’s? I know… 330 down both lines, but still…

    As for staying healthy, he does look like he is in great shape, but he will get similarly ground down if they don’t use him judiciously.

  79. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    YF, I have more concerns about his defense than I do his bat….however, I think he’ll open in Charleston and move to Tampa by the summer. Right now, he’s strictly a hitter. Hopefully, Pena is working him hard this ST. Posada would have him down in the bullpen for four hours working with him like he did with Montero.

  80. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 12:44 am

    If the Yanks don’t run Martin into the ground in April and May, he’ll be fine.

  81. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    Rich,

    Very good point, i hope Girardi gives him a breather here and there, but even then i am not too confident that he can deliver, by now i think he is basically what he is……a good defensive catcher with some pop and speed but horrible plate approach

  82. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    GB, I don’t really have concerns about his bat, but his D, yes. It’s hard to gauge, but sounds like JR has passed him defensively. Maybe Sanchez is a little rawer than they at first thought. I wonder if that will delay his moving up to Tampa.

  83. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:49 am

    GB7,

    I hope you are right

  84. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Martin’s AB during the bottom of the 8th vs. Benoit was my worst nightmare. Cervelli is a better situational hitter.

  85. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:52 am

    YF,

    He si younger too right?? i mean Sanchez is younger than Murphy

  86. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:53 am

    Luis, si. El Maquinito is only 19.

  87. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:51 am
    Martin’s AB during the bottom of the 8th vs. Benoit was my worst nightmare. Cervelli is a better situational hitter.

    ==============================

    I still have nightmares from it :(

  88. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    luis, I was standing right behind section 120A. :(

  89. luis February 28th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    I must say that i like Girardi, but my faith in him has diminished tremendously because his retisense to pinch hit for Martin, keeping your best bat on the bench in several key moments of the series

  90. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    luis, JR will be 21 in May. So, he’s a little more than a year and a half older…

  91. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 1:01 am

    Luis, I think Girardi needs to manage less prescriptively.

  92. CompassRosy February 28th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    The next big thing?

    http://tinyurl.com/7w4eoqn

  93. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 1:04 am

    Martin was far from the only offensive failure against Detroit. He’s just the red headed stepchild of LoHud right now because he told the Yanks to get rid of Montero.

  94. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 1:05 am

    Or, at least, he gets the blame for Montero being traded.

  95. luis February 28th, 2012 at 1:07 am

    On top of that, i think Girardi had a lot to do with THE TRADE, but i’m not saying anything else about it. So it’s late so i better call it a night. Goodnight everyone

    I sure hope they give this kids (Sanchez and Murphy) the chance to play with the big club in time.

  96. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 1:07 am

    Except some of us have also said let Swisher walk, and he also blew chunks v. Detroit.

    With the $189m threshold looming, it’s hard to justify signing either.

  97. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 1:07 am
    Except some of us have also said let Swisher walk, and he also blew chunks v. Detroit.

    With the $189m threshold looming, it’s hard to justify signing either.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Name anybody that’s better and cheaper.

  98. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 1:11 am

    ‘Night, luis. Ugh, thinking about that game, I just relived Jeter’s deep fly out to RF. My heart hurts. Think I need to listen to something optimistic like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9b3_1CcXtY

  99. LGY February 28th, 2012 at 1:12 am

    If the Yanks don’t run Martin into the ground in April and May, he’ll be fine.

    ——-

    8 catchers caught more games in March/April than Martin.

    12 catchers caught more games in May than Martin.

  100. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 1:12 am

    “Name anybody that’s better and cheaper.”

    It’s about value. Martin isn’t worth what he’s asking and he’s been fragile.

    Swisher will be tougher to replace, but they have excess ML ready starting pitching who might be able to be exchanged for a young, cost-controlled OF, especially if other teams share Cashman’s view that pitching is the key to the kingdom.

    I also am hopeful that Jones has a big year, and he does, unless he walks, he is young enough to be a placeholder.

  101. luis February 28th, 2012 at 1:12 am

    GB7,

    You are right that Martin wasn’t the only one to blame for the offensive debacle, but more often than not he was at the plate in key situations during the series, i don’t blame him, he tried his best…i blame Girardi for not being able to think and act outside his box. Yankeefem just put it very well… he has to manage with both bacic rules but with a feel for the game.

  102. Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 1:13 am

    GN

  103. luis February 28th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    basic rules…..sorry

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    luis and YF,

    The report on Ravel Santana in PP is crazy.

    Slater is saying he has the best OF arm he’s ever seen; they’re calling it plus-plus. We had a kid like that in the system, think his name was Joshue Calzado, but he didn’t have the insane bat to go with it, like Santana does.

    I might have to live at Staten Island when this kid gets there:

    “Santana might have the quickest bat in the entire system so while he’s not a physically imposing figure he is able to hit for above average power now and plus HR power down the road. And it’s power to all fields (sounds like You Know Who), not just the pull side. What allows his power to play so well at early age, however, is his advanced patience at the plate and overall pitch recognition. He still swings at breaking balls out of the zone at times as young power hitters tend to do, but that’s more a product of trying to do too much than recognizing pitches. He will have some short term battles with being too aggressive, but he has the natural approach to be high-average hitter in due time should he learn to control that aggression…”

  105. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 1:17 am

    Rich in NJ February 28th, 2012 at 1:12 am
    “Name anybody that’s better and cheaper.”

    It’s about value. Martin isn’t worth what he’s asking and he’s been fragile.

    Swisher will be tougher to replace, but they have excess ML ready starting pitching who might be able to be exchanged for a young, cost-controlled OF, especially if other teams share Cashman’s view that pitching is the key to the kingdom.

    I also am hopeful that Jones has a big year, and he does, unless he walks, he is young enough to be a placeholder.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Produce the names of these young cost controlled players that can produce as much as these two. There are none.

  106. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 1:18 am

    Pruf, did that just come up on PP?

    Martin isn’t worth the kind of money he will likely get.

    GB, did you see this essay in the Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02.....f=baseball

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2012 at 1:20 am

    *than of NOT recognizing pitches

  108. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 1:20 am

    Ravel’s arm is supposedly better than Mesa’s. And he is one of the few truly potentially 5 tool players. Still hoping if he isn’t ready that we get to see Ravel in SI before he moves up.

  109. LGY February 28th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Produce the names of these young cost controlled players that can produce as much as these two. There are none.

    —–

    Are you being purposely obtuse?

  110. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    Holy moly. They are going to actually try to stop fighting in junior hockey?? I’ll believe it when I see it.

  111. luis February 28th, 2012 at 1:22 am

    Hi JAP,

    Very glad that you showed up!! Let’s name you know who…. Voldemort LOL :). I didn’t know about this kid, thanks for sharing.

    YF,

    Very good video, just what i needed ;) , have a good night my friends

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2012 at 1:23 am

    yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 1:18 am
    Pruf, did that just come up on PP?

    Martin isn’t worth the kind of money he will likely get.
    ////

    Yea, latest on PP. They go on about his speed, etc. too, but I just can type so much…:D. Can’t cut and paste it.

  113. CompassRosy February 28th, 2012 at 1:24 am

    “Today’s question was Pineda O/U 15 wins?”

    ~

    Over. Easy.

    If MP can win NINE games in his ROOKIE season with an HISTORICALLY bad offense…
    (where 5 of his 8 ND’s were ONE run losses, as were 2 of his 10 losses)

    He can easily win 16 games with the Yanks “O” backing him up.

  114. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 1:26 am

    luis, glad you liked the video. Buenas noches, mi buen amigo!

  115. GreenBeret7 February 28th, 2012 at 1:27 am

    YF, I hadn’t seen that, but, thanks. They’re missing a few names from those that could have been, like Roger Repoz and Bill Burbach, and Frank Fernandez and Frank Tepidino. The two guys that really took the brunt of the poor offense were Mel Stottlemyre and Fritz Peterson.

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2012 at 1:29 am

    luis February 28th, 2012 at 1:22 am
    Hi JAP,

    Very glad that you showed up!! Let’s name you know who…. Voldemort LOL . I didn’t know about this kid, thanks for sharing.
    ///

    LOL, luis. MONTEROMONTEROMONTEROMONTEROMONTEROMONTERO!!!

    That was fun.

    Any way, Santana is allegedly coming to a ballpark not too too far from me (lousy route, though, to get there, but I shall brave it to see this marvel).

    Imagine an OF with Williams and Santana in it….to think, we could have had Him and Manquinito too.

    Alas, alas…

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2012 at 1:31 am

    G’night luis.

    Rosy, those links are torture, but keep them coming anyway. :) :(.

    I’m going to sleep.

  118. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2012 at 1:37 am

    GB, poor Mel and Fritz.

    Rosy, those links are so bittersweet.

    m, still thinking about the over/under… but I’ll sleep on it.

    4 days until televised Yankee baseball. Night, all.

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    Last year, Santana hit as many homeruns in the GCL as Montero and Sanchez combined in their GCL seasons.

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    I’m guessing Ravels ankle is a non factor at this point?
    He busted it up pretty well from what I’m reading last spring…

  123. Bronx Jeers February 28th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Pineda looks totally intimidating – awesome.

    ———————————————-

    He looks a little like an extremely slimmed down Biggie Smalls. At least in that photo.

    CC’s probably got him singing Big Poppa by now.

  124. Yankee Trader February 28th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Good morning.

    Phil vs. Freddy is for show only

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1ngIRtpTl

  125. dogface February 28th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    See that this was hit upon last night, but that Molina contract, if it is as reported is stunning. Somewhere, agents for Miguel Montero and Mike Napoli laugh maniacally, while GM’s around baseball cringe.

  126. dogface February 28th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Phil vs. Freddy is for show only

    =============================

    It’s just not Yankees spring training anymore without a phony competition for the last spot in the rotation.

  127. blake February 28th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    “See that this was hit upon last night, but that Molina contract, if it is as reported is stunning. Somewhere, agents for Miguel Montero and Mike Napoli laugh maniacally, while GM’s around baseball cringe.”

    Yea all I can say is they better hope he continues to hit last year…..because if he doesn’t its a bad deal regardless of his defense.

    Tough to believe they held such a firm line on Pujols and then give Yaddie that deal.

  128. Yankee Trader February 28th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    If Hughes wins the 5th spot and everyone comes thru ST healthy, does Garcia request a trade?

    With these performance bonuses, out the wndow, what do you think will happen?

    performance bonuses: $0.25M each for 25, 27, 29, 30 starts. $0.275M for 31st start. $0.3M for 32nd start

  129. dogface February 28th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    With these performance bonuses, out the wndow, what do you think will happen?

    ===========================================

    I think there’s no way the Yankees are going to get 30 starts from 4 guys, nevermind 5. Don’t think Garcia will get 30 starts, but I think he’ll get 20.

  130. blake February 28th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    You always go with the upside when things are close to equal…..I feel bad for Freddy because he deserves a spot based on last year….but its just the way it is…..you go with the 25 year old with upisde. Hughes could be a huge factor for this team….nobody is expecting anything from him……if he started to hit his potential then you’ll legitimately looking at 5 starters who could win 15+ games.

  131. Yankee Trader February 28th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Dogface-

    20 starts for Garcia and he loses out on roughly 1.5M in bonuses. Since he’s 35, if all starters are healthy coming out of ST, and the likelihood a 5th starter is needed only sporatically very early in the season, does Garcia demand a trade if relegated to the bullpen?

  132. blake February 28th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    “If Hughes wins the 5th spot and everyone comes thru ST healthy, does Garcia request a trade?”

    I don’t know if he’d request it…..but I think perhaps the Yanks would discuss it with him….if he’s fine being the long man then great….he’s good insurance…..but if he wants a chance to start (which he’s earned) then id explore honoring that request and also free up a little more money for the deadline. They have some pretty good insurance at AAA…..keeping Freddy around as a reliever is probably a luxury they wouldn’t really need.

  133. MTU February 28th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Blake-

    Good morning.

    I agree. Not ideal for Garcia.

    This is a critical year for Hughes.

    They need to find out what his role is going forward.

    Only way for them to do that is to see him start.

    I hope he forces their hand this Spring.

    He needs to earn it. Nothing should be handed to him.

    And you are right. If these guys all live up to their potential we could have multiple 15 game winner.

    I am very confident.

    My belief is that our staff will be in the top handful. Especially if you figure in the Pen.

    :)

  134. mick February 28th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Andy sounds like he’s in mid season form.

  135. MTU February 28th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Our Pitching staff most resembles what river :

    The Mississippi

    The Congo

    The Amazon

    The Yangtze

    The Ganges

    :)

  136. BD (Boston Dave) February 28th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Any updates on Ravel Santanas health??

  137. blake February 28th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    MTU,

    Its got the potential to be the top staff in baseball when you favor in depth and bullpen. A lot will have to go right for that to happen ….but at least the potential is there and that’s something the Yanks haven’t had in quite awhile. Now Cash needs to focus on finding a young outfielder….wonder what the fish would want for LoMo?

  138. MaineYankee February 28th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    blake

    ….nobody is expecting anything from him

    ————————————————————

    I don’t think the Yankees share that opinion.

  139. blake February 28th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    “Any updates on Ravel Santanas health??”

    Maybe Chad can dig up an accurate update for us……I’ve read that he’s fine….I’ve read that he may miss most of the season.

  140. MaineYankee February 28th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    blake

    keeping Freddy around as a reliever is probably a luxury they wouldn’t really need.

    ———————————————————————————–

    Couldn’t you say the same thing about them getting Beltran?

  141. dogface February 28th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    20 starts for Garcia and he loses out on roughly 1.5M in bonuses. Since he’s 35, if all starters are healthy coming out of ST, and the likelihood a 5th starter is needed only sporatically very early in the season, does Garcia demand a trade if relegated to the bullpen?

    =================================

    No idea. I don’t think he brings the Yankees much of anything in trade, so I’d be inclined to think that they keep him, as he’s probably more valuable in a 6th starter capacity than he would be in trade. I think the Yankees have had more than 3 guys make 30 starts in a season twice in the last 30+ years. They’ll need someone to plug the holes. Garcia would appear to be that guy.

    Not sure he’s any position to demand a trade anyway.

  142. mick February 28th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    The New York Yangtze’s.

  143. MTU February 28th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Blake-

    I think the Marlins have their own ambitions right now.

    They need to impress the masses after all that money was spent to get them new digs.

    For that reason, I do not see them as

    We have lot’s of trade chips. Not sure when and how Cashman will use them.

  144. blake February 28th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    “I don’t think the Yankees share that opinion.”

    I don’t mean the Yankees.

  145. Yankee Trader February 28th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    MTU-

    The Mississippi, of course :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brdqJ29PQac

  146. blake February 28th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    “Couldn’t you say the same thing about them getting Beltran?”

    You coukd…..but that’s apples to oranges…..Beltran would have played every day and would have made a difference in the lineup…..not be a long reliever……now if they had a 22 yro DH still then yes…..it would be more the same.

  147. MaineYankee February 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    blake February 28th, 2012 at 8:38 am
    “I don’t think the Yankees share that opinion.”

    I don’t mean the Yankees.

    ——————————————————————–

    I misread it then.

    Actually I’m expecting him to bounce back.

    Somewhere between the past 2yrs.

  148. MTU February 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    “as sellers”.

    Sorry.

  149. mick February 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Even if Andy got the itch, I don’t see where he fits in the rotation.

  150. MaineYankee February 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    blake

    Beltran would have been a luxury for the cost.

    I know you like him and I understand why.

    Because of the cost and the health risk I can’t see it a wise move.

  151. Yankee Trader February 28th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Now Cash needs to focus on finding a young outfielder.
    —————————————————–
    Blake-

    Aithough the Diamondbacks are denying that he is available ,lefty Gerardo Parra, 24, has become a 4th OF’er who is displaced in LF by Jason Kubel. He’ll get some starts in CF, when Young sits.

    Towers and Cashman get together for a trade? Swisher? Gardner?

  152. MaineYankee February 28th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    blake

    now if they had a 22 yro DH still then yes…..it would be more the same.
    —————————————————————————–

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought you were advocating for Beltran before the trade.

  153. blake February 28th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    “Because of the cost and the health risk I can’t see it a wise move.”

    Yea I understand why they didn’t do it…..their luxury tax payroll is already at 225 and at the time they signed they still did have Montero…..

  154. dogface February 28th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    YT:

    I don’t think Parra is a good as either Swisher or Gardner.

  155. Yankee Trader February 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    New Post:

    Back on the Mound—->

  156. MTU February 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    You’ve gotcha a new thread ——->

  157. Duh Innings February 28th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    luis February 27th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Duh Innings February 27th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    ———————————-

    Yes he is better than Cervelli, but i don’t think he is the answer for the Yankees, i rather wait to see what Romine has to offer, and if he can’t deliver, i would rather have the other Montero instead of Martin

    ————————————————-

    He’s the answer for the 2012 Yankees, all that matters. Montero is now a Seattle Mariner under Seattle’s control fo six years and most likely will not return to the Yanks until he is a free agent, get over/deal with it. You’d rather have a kid who isn’t good enough to catch full-time for what will be the worst team in baseball or second-worst one after Houston over a guy who can catch, I’d rather not. Where is it written in stone that Montero will be a star player or even a very good hitter? History doesn’t show that. Jay Buhner is the only Yankee who became a long-term (to me at least five years straight) star hitter after being traded from the Yankees. J.T. Snow, Cristian Guzman, and Mike Lowell had nice careers and still playing Juan Rivera has had a decent career, but stars the Yanks miss/ed they are not.

    Below is a list of potential free-agent catchers for 2013 courtesy of Cot’s Baseball Contracts. You all will realize Martin is the best one among them when you factor in he will have been the Yanks full-time catcher for two full seasons.

    Koyie Hill
    Chris Iannetta *
    Russell Martin
    Jeff Mathis
    Brian McCann *
    Miguel Montero
    Mike Napoli
    Wil Nieves
    Miguel Olivo *
    Ronny Paulino
    A.J. Pierzynski
    Humberto Quintero
    David Ross
    Carlos Ruiz *
    Yorvit Torrealba

  158. Duh Innings February 28th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    LGY February 27th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Keep dreaming. Martin > Cervelli who is a career backup.

    ———————–

    Martin 2009-2011:

    .245/.341/.356 88 OPS+

    ————————————

    Martin 2011: 18 HR, 65 RBI, solid defense and percentage throwing out baserunners.

    Martin was an All-Star in the past. Nice selective stats and btw .341 OBP is pretty good for a catcher.

  159. Duh Innings February 28th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Rich in NJ February 27th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    “Keep dreaming. Martin > Cervelli who is a career backup.”

    So what? He still isn’t worth keeping.

    ————————————————–

    TO YOU he isn’t worth keeping, to me he is. Why isn’t he worth keeping? The guy plays solid defense, isn’t 30 yet, and just posted 18 HR and 65 RBI.

    What’s with this site? Bunch of absolutist knowitalls like you who say “No” without why?

  160. Duh Innings February 28th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    BTW Miguel Montero and Mike Napoli had better 2011s than Martin offensively, but Montero did it in the relative anonymity of Arizona and Martin has had a better offensive career than him overall.

    Napoli had his career year at age 29. Historically, he’s most likely not repeating or coming anywhere close to that again, and he’ll be 30 or 31 come free agent time depending on his date of birth. Too old to lock up. I could care less about his power numbers as Martin has shown he can smack at least 15 HR in the AL.

    Martin is the best catcher for the Yanks. You disagree, say why or shut up.

  161. Duh Innings February 28th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Martin was an All-Star last year and is a career .267/.359/.398/.757 hitter.

    Put that in your pipes and smoke ‘it, Martin haters.

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