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Pregame notes: Rivera ready to face hitters

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 04, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

All of the days tend to blend together down here, and progress is marked only by minor landmarks along the way. The first full-squad workout is an early one. The first time pitchers face live hitters is another. The first Grapefruit League game is a big one.  

Of course, you can also use Mariano Rivera to mark the passing of time.

There’s the day he shows up (only one day late this year). The day he finally decides to throw a bullpen. The day he begins speculating about when he’ll actually get in a game. And you know you’re well into the spring schedule when Rivera is actually scheduled to pitch.

The Rivera calendar takes another step forward tomorrow, when the Yankees closer faces live hitters for the first time. Rivera will throw early batting practice tomorrow morning with Rafael Soriano. Chris Dickerson and Francisco Cervelli will have the pleasure of trying to hit against them.

Early spring training is officially over.

• Hiroki Kuroda threw a sim game this morning facing Zoilo Almonte and Brandon Laird. Kuroda will make his first spring start on Wednesday.

• On their usual starter’s schedule after pitching Friday, Adam Warren, Graham Stoneburner and Brett Marshall are throwing sides today. Warren said yesterday that he expects the starting pitchers to stay on a usual five-day schedule the rest of the way.

• Tomorrow’s sides: Ivan Nova, Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, David Phelps and Brad Meyers. This will be the first side for Meyers, the Rule 5 pick who’s been dealing with a sore shoulder since the start of spring training.

• George Kontos has played catch the past two days. He’ll go throw regular workouts with no throwing today, then he’ll play long toss tomorrow. He’s progressing as expected from a sore oblique.

• Today’s available pitchers: Freddy Garcia gets the start followed by D.J. Mitchell, Boone Logan, Cory Wade, Clay Rapada, Kevin Whelan, Chase Whitley, Juan Cedeno, Adam Miller, Ryan Pope and Dan Burawa. My guess is that the guys after Whitley are backups today.

• Today’s second string: C J.R. Murphy, 1B Jose Gil, 2B David Adams, SS Doug Bernier, 3B Corban Joseph, LF Colin Curtis, CF Melky Mesa, RF Zoilo Almonte. There’s no backup DH listed.

• Tomorrow’s traveling players (including starter Michael Pineda and reliever Dave Robertson, scheduled to make their first appearances):

Pitchers: Dan Burawa, Cesar Cabral, Juan Cedeno, Brett Marshall, Adam Miller, Michael O’Connor, Michael Pineda, Ryan Pope, Dave Robertson, Graham Stoneburner.
Catchers: Jose Gil, Russell Martin, Gustavo Molina, J.R. Murphy, Gary Sanchez
Infielders: David Adams, Doug Bernier, Eric Chavez, Bill Hall, Corban Joseph, Brandon Laird, Jayson Nix, Eduardo Nunez, Ramiro Pena, Jorge Vazquez
Outfielders: Zoilo Almonte, Colin Curtis, Brett Gardner, Curtis Granderson, Raul Ibanez, Justin Maxwell, Melky Mesa, Nick Swisher

UPDATE, 9:44 a.m.: How many Phillies starters have you heard of?

Tyson Gililes CF
Scott Podsednik DH
Ty Wigginton 3B
Hunter Pence RF
Domonic Brown LF
John Mayberry Jr. 1B
Michael Martinez 2B
Freddy Galvis SS
Tuffy Gosewisch C

RHP Roy Halladay

Associated Press photo

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125 Responses to “Pregame notes: Rivera ready to face hitters”

  1. Yankee Trader March 4th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Nilsson-

    A-Rod’s new training partner helped him also-

    http://www.zimbio.com/Alex+Rod.....end+Torrie

    MTU-

    Last night the MLB TV network ran the game again at 7PM. However on Monday they are showing the Mets vs Nats at 6PM. Do you have DVR or signed up for tje MLB.TV premium package?

  2. randy l. March 4th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    “Pineda vs Blanton televised live tomorrow at 1 PM”

    cool, we should see 25 % change ups then .

    if we do, we’ll know the yankees are serious about teaching him a change up.

    i still think there’s only a 10 % chance he learns a decent change up this summer.

    of course the odds go up is the yankees really insist he throws it. guys like aj and hughes are always saying they are going to do it and then it doesn’t happen, though rothschild did seem to get aj to throw a lot more last summer.

    i’m going to remain a skeptic until i actually see pineda throwing the change every game in all situations.

    the only way he’s going to master it is to throw it often.

  3. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    YT-

    I have MLB prem.

    Can I watch it as an archived game ?

    Is that what you are saying ?

  4. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    randy-

    Response in previous thread.

    ;)

  5. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    The Mops are callin’.

    BIAW

  6. Crawdaddy March 4th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    I call BS on Randy’s post about 25% changeups for his first time out this spring. He will feature the fastball first and foremost then mix in some CU and sliders.

  7. Yankee Trader March 4th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees look into extending Cano for sure and Granderson if he continues to perform at the end of this season, rather than dealing with them as FA’s at the end of 2013. This would be out of the norm, but would allow them to plan more clearly for 2014.

    Swisher, if he performs at his 2010 level, will be hard to replace, numbers-wise. Perhaps they’ll look to replace him with a FA for a year contract, that’ll be off the books in 2014-IF they can’t/don’t trade for a young cost-controlled option.

  8. Yankee Trader March 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    MTU
    Just go to the video tab to watch/listen. If the game is available later on Monday, you should be able to click on the premium broadcast and watch it in toto, or browse certain innings.

  9. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Go Steady Freddy, Go “ma man” DJ, Go Yanks!

    Love the work Alex has put in with Clark. http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....JWLXZvNmuJ

    I wonder how many pro athletes do Feldenkrais, Alexander Technique or one of the other holistic “movement” modalities.

    What is with the wrath against people who watch prospects? Lighten up.

  10. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Yes, you can watch it as archived game. I watched last night. Games come up an hour or two after they have ended. mlbn showed replay at 8PM; watched that too. :)

  11. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    MTU, how was your hike?

  12. Ys Guy March 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    morning everyone! so who we hating on today? (besides the usual, cashman, girardi, martin, pineda, soriano, arod…)

  13. Cashmoney March 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    YF, i think if u can lock up Cano and save a few dollars along the way, by all means, do so. It maybe out of the ‘norm’ but Cano is prolly not your norm either. Grandy will be tough call, I am glad i am not making that decision in terms of dollars and years on him. I do think there a good possibility they will retain him as well.

  14. Yankee Trader March 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Harold Reynolds focused on video of Pineda’s CU last year against about 6-7 major leaguer’s. He didn’t look like a neophyte with the pitch and struck out Larry “Chipper” Jones flailing from the left side.

  15. Ys Guy March 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    i forgot to add betances after yesterday…

  16. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    We are hating on people who go see Trenton and Charleston play. No one else as far as I know, but maybe I haven’t read back far enough.

  17. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Ys Guy March 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am
    i forgot to add betances after yesterday…
    _____
    Don’t you mean before and after yesterday?

  18. jpmatrixfan88 March 4th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Randy, as many people have stated many times this off season, pineda doesn’t need to. “learn” a chang up. He’s already been throwing one for quite some time, long before he came here. It has even been described as a plus pitch pre-2011. He just needs to throw it more

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Ys Guy – :)

    My comments about ST were really more aimed at the beginning of ST, and I believe I pointed that out. Yes I said just enjoy the whole thing without getting your panties in a twist – and as someone aptly pointed out much earlier, AJ Burnett had the best record in ST last year. Surprise!

    So if you’re going to get all a-dither about what you see in ST, you may have to un-dither later on.

    But mostly, certainly observe with extreme intensity if that’s your gig, but don’t pretend that you can peg someone’s season based on the first games of ST.

    Craw – I’m with you. Pineda will throw whatever he throws. If he does or doesn’t throw many changeups, the earth will continue to revolve on its axis, the universe will remain centered, and Pineda will continue to work out the way he and the Yankees have deemed the best way for him to work out.

    My prediction for Pineda to take to the bank: (And either many will owe me money or I will owe – but I intend to get rich on this one.) Pineda is going to be a HUGE success for the Yankees. He will pitch whatever way they deem best and it will not be the lohud urgings that cause him to either succeed or fail. It will be the talent that he brings to the game, the talent he already has within him, and the wise counsel and coaching of those who are part of his baseball life.

    :)

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    And by the way, when I said getting in shape, I didn’t mean physically. I meant working out the kinks in their game and getting in shape that way.

    :roll:

  21. Yankee Trader March 4th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Until later.

    Rookie Player of the game yesterday is shared between David Phelps and Cole Garner!

  22. Jerkface March 4th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Weak sauce pitching today. :(

  23. randy l. March 4th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    “I call BS on Randy’s post about 25% changeups for his first time out this spring. He will feature the fastball first and foremost then mix in some CU and sliders.”

    crawdaddy-

    hey, i’m serious about him learning a change. throwing a change won’t hurt his arm at all. why not throw it as much as possible.

    are they committed to really doing this or is this just more kick the can down the road “BS”

    people talk about how easy it is for pineda to learn this mystical non existent change up that is just going to appear one day, but i get the feeling that these people aren’t life long learners.

    the way you learn a new pitch is to go threw the repetitions and commit to them despite the results.

  24. BIG AL March 4th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    This constant rant about Pineda is getting to be over the top of discussion. Yes, the majority of those here, myself included, wanted to see Montero play for the Yankees, and looked forward to watching him play his first full season in NY, it was not to be.

    Pineda is a Yankee now, and I intend to fully support and root for him, rather than devote my energy trying to tear him down, as some seem intent on doing.

    In my mind, if you love and follow the Yankees, you cheer for the entire team to do well, and if you love the game of baseball, sit back and enjoy all the talented teams and players perform.

    Being a devout Yankees fan didn’t prevent me from enjoying the play of Willie Mays, Ted Williams, and so very many other great players, and IMO, this is how it should be.

  25. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Big Al – GREAT post!

    And congratulations on bringing us two new Yankee fans!!! I just caught up with my email.

    :)

  26. BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Randy,

    I have lot of trust in the Yankeess pitching staff than the arm chair pundits here on doing the right things with Pineda balancing on right pitches including the CU %.

  27. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    YF-

    Thanks for asking, and for the TV info.

    It was good.

    Relatively short but challenging.

    Nothing like downclimbing an 800 ft. Lava cliff to get your attention.

    P.S. The climb out isn’t any easier.

    ;)

  28. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Thanks for TV. info. YT.

    Like to see Pineda for the first time in PS.

    I think people are gonna be really impressed. If they aren’t already.

    ;)

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Big Al, I feel exactly the same way you do about watching and totally enoying the great play of players from other teams. Since not everyone can be on the Yankees and there are so many really talented players in the game, and since I profess to love this game, it follows that I really enjoy and root for other players to do well also. My appreciation of other talent doesn’t dimish my love for the Yankees! I love the competitive aspect of the game. And I also feel that teams that don’t have the Yankees resources should also be able to get fan adulation and players be appreciated no matter who they play for.

    It’s all for love of the game.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Telling people the correct way to root for their team is self-serving and ridiculous.

    I don’t know what has become of the idea of disinterested discussion, but it doesn’t live here very often.

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    BBFan – welcome back! Or at least if you’ve been around, it’s been wehn I haven’t.

    :)

    We have prediction charts going. One is the Yankee prediction chart. This year we added a Sux prediction chart, only to be used in case of a tie.

    I’ll show you them both (in two separate posts because for whatever reason lohud doesn’t allow more than one link in a post) and when you’re ready, give me your predictions. You actually have until opening day to give a prediction.

    :)

    2012 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

  32. BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Disintrested discussion? What is that :)
    Everyone comes here with an itnerest – discuss Yankees.

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    2012 SUXIAN FUTILITY CHART

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Yankeefem,

    I see your boy DJ Mitchell is in today. I’m looking forward to seeing him. And JR Murphy we get to see, for a turn behind the plate, I presume. :D

  35. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Good morning Al.

    How are 2 newest team members faring ?

    :)

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 10:54 am
    Disintrested discussion? What is that
    Everyone comes here with an itnerest – discuss Yankees.
    /////

    I didn’t say uninterested, I said disinterested.

  37. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Trisha-

    Good morning. Hope you are following the spicy food diet so you maximize your health.

    Your dislike of the Sux is very enjoyable to me.

    I share your sentiment and I do not even live in NE.

    :)

  38. BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Trisha,

    Thanks.
    I was reading the blog occasionally, but rarely posted.
    Very excited about 2012.
    Pineda will be a big success, though it cost us Montero. To get quality we have to give quality.

    Regarding the prediction chart, what do we do.
    We state our prediction here and you update the chart?

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    No offense intended, Al, you’re a great baseball and Yankee fan.

    But fans express their fandom in different ways. I would say that brings diversity and different energies to the community. There does seem to be a strained pressure here to how one should express their fandom. I think that discourages discussion.

    Live and let live, that’s all I am saying.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    MTU – that’s because you’re perfect, dammit! I’ve said that from jump street.

    I’m honored to be in such esteemed company. BTW, my definition of a true Yankee fan is one who understands and shares in my intense dislike of the Sux!

    :D

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    BB – just give me your predictions and I add them to the charts. Easy peasy.

    :)

  42. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    JAP-

    As long as people are civil and polite with one another I agree with you.

    Their should be no statute of limitations on commentary especially when it is heartfelt.

    If people don’t like what you have to say they can always use the ignore function and skip on by.

    ;)

  43. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Trisha-

    I am perfectly bad.

    You’re a nice lady.

    Too nice to throw in with me.

    :)

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    J Al – all I wish for you is to be able to be happy and enjoy the great upcoming Yankee season. That’s because I care about you. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t care whether you enjoyed or hated it. I gave away almos

  45. BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    “But fans express their fandom in different ways. I would say that brings diversity and different energies to the community. There does seem to be a strained pressure here to how one should express their fandom. I think that discourages discussion. ”

    That is all well and good and I am all for it.
    But what I and others find discouraging is harp on the same non-sense for ever.
    There comes a time to move on and discuss the merits or weaknesses of the team.
    Pineda trade is a good example.
    Some liked the trade, some did not. That is fine.
    But keep harping for ever that he will fail or should fail is not OK. That takes away from the enjoyment we all expect to get when we visit here.

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I gave away almost an entire season licking my wounds when Boomer was traded. I vowed never do to it again. It was a first and a last. I lost out on a lot of enjoyment because of it.

    I think you’re a smarter cat than I, so I know you will rebound.

    :)

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “Trisha-

    I am perfectly bad.”

    And I call MAJOR BS on that!

  48. BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Trishsa,

    My predicitons:
    YANKEES: 101
    RED SOX: 92

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    MTU,

    Yes, that’s a great distinction you made about commentary being heartfelt, and I would add, thoughtful, if it is.

    I think arguing a point passionately is acceptable, no matter the point; it’s the stuff of lively discourse.

    Challenging a fellow poster to a right to having the position they do to begin with puts the discussion on the shoulder, and into some sort of moral correction exercise that dilutes the it.

    If I’ve been guilty of that, I’m going to try and steer clear of it going forward. I think it weakens the pulse of the place.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    dillutes it…the discussion.

  51. GreenBeret7 March 4th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    How about those always classy Red Sox, led by the equally classy Bobby Valentine having their runners stealing bases with a 19 and 22 run lead, against a college team?

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:07 am
    J Al – all I wish for you is to be able to be happy and enjoy the great upcoming Yankee season. That’s because I care about you. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t care whether you enjoyed or hated it. I gave away almos
    ///

    Thank you, Trisha. I have been a baseball fan for nearly half a century, so don’t worry about me. I’ll find a way to enjoy a fresh season ;). You know how I feel about you, dear lady :D.

  53. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Got em, BB.

    ***********

    I groused nearly the entire season that Clemens came to the Yankees. It started the day Boomer was traded and I was relentless. I think back on it and really shudder. Yes I was expressing what I felt, and I apparently felt it deeply. But I have to believe I ruined a lot of enjoyment for the forum. I’m sure they wanted to strangle me! Equally, I ruined enjoyment for myself because lots of great things were happening all around me that season but I decided that being in my morass was more important. I missed out on a lot.

  54. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Trisha-

    It’s always good to try and see the best in people wherever possible.

    I know you do that.

    You defend the underdog. Take up the cause, etc. Have great compassion.

    It is your good nature.

    I’ve heard it said, in a somewhat cynical fashion, “If you hang out long enough with most people
    they’re bound to disappoint.”

    The higher your standard the more frequently people in general will let ya’ down.

    That is why we are endowed with the power to forgive.

    So please forgive me for being less than you imagine me to be.

    I’m gonna keep tryin’ to improve. Maybe I’ll even make the Majors someday.

    ;)

  55. yankee21 March 4th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Does NY play BOS this ST anytime soon?

    If Valentine has any of his pitchers plunk NY hitters, does Joe G retaliate or does he “take the high-road”, and excuse it due to “wildness”?

    Seems as though Valentine is looking to create some BS controversy in nearly every game, NY needs to make sure they won’t tolerate it, even in ST.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    That is all well and good and I am all for it.
    But what I and others find discouraging is harp on the same non-sense for ever.
    There comes a time to move on and discuss the merits or weaknesses of the team.
    Pineda trade is a good example.
    Some liked the trade, some did not. That is fine.
    But keep harping for ever that he will fail or should fail is not OK. That takes away from the enjoyment we all expect to get when we visit here.
    ///

    One man’s trash is another man’s treasure, one woman’s insight is a foreign language to another ;). One man’s details are greek or boring to another ;).

    We all have different thresholds for how much we want to hear on a particular subject. That’s it for me on this one.

  57. yanks 27 March 4th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Everyone will enjoy the season, but it is difficult for some to root for the hired guns rather than players that we developed watched blossom.

    I’ll be enjoying the minor league affiliates this season though – lots of fine young talent down there

  58. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    JAP-

    I respect the fact that you and Randy feel as passionately as you do about Montero.

    And I am hopeful that you will feel the same about Pineda someday.

    Few of us wanted to see Montero go.

    Me. I usually adjust quickly to changing circumstances.

    Maybe it comes from having hiked all these years over varying terrain watching the landscapse change continually beneath my feet.

    :)

  59. Stoneburner March 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 10:10 am
    We are hating on people who go see Trenton and Charleston play. No one else as far as I know, but maybe I haven’t read back far enough.

    *******

    NO – we are hating the way these Trenton/Charleston people behave with their generational rants – and their plus plus changeup Jose Ramirez rants – and their Mark Newman analysis of immigration laws that DePaula should be here anytime.

    Good for you – you went to Charleston and Trenton to see Montero play – so did I – but that does not mean you get to complain and bemoan and compare that Montero will be generational – will be Mantle – will be Frank Robinson – that you get insulted with saying Montero might have a very good career such as Carlos Lee (like that is an insult) – No – just b/c you go to a minor league game does not make you qualified to pronounce a player generational – does NOT get to mean you get to wax poetics about Jose Ramirez and say he is a starter and NOT a reliever – you do not know – if you did – you would not be on a blog – you would be a paid professional working for a major league team. End newest rant.

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    yanks 27,

    It’d be one thing if the player exiting was a lesser talent, or even a package of promising but not uber talent.

    I don’t have the same anticipation and enthusiasm for this season that I had, say, for last, or the one before that, or the one before that. That’s just the way it is. No rhetoric is going to leaven that, either. But it’s baseball season, and that in itself is always welcome.

  61. Jerkface March 4th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Stoneburner going off the deepend. Don’t have opinions about players!!!!

  62. Against All Odds March 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    yanks 27,

    It’d be one thing if the player exiting was a lesser talent, or even a package of promising but not uber talent.

    I don’t have the same anticipation and enthusiasm for this season that I had, say, for last, or the one before that, or the one before that. That’s just the way it is. No rhetoric is going to leaven that, either. But it’s baseball season, and that in itself is always welcome.

    ——————

    Breaking up is hard to do.

  63. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Stoneburner, you are so angry. Just scroll past, as I do ten times a day if you don’t like what is being posted.

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    MTU – I’m known far and wide for my perspicacity. Never forget that! I’ve known you long enough to know who you are. Don’t question my judgment, young man!

    And I am going to tell a story that isn’t totally parallel, but the punch line, odd as it is in its context, basically says the same thing. Now the reason I’m telling it is because my dad used to tell us this story often, to help make sense for us of whatever we may have brought to the table that day that fit the bill. And I’m also telling it because I love my dad more than life itself and so love quoting him whenever I can.

    The Story of the Rattlesnake

    One very cold day a man was walking up a long hill to his home and he came across a rattlesnake. The rattlesnake needed to get up the hill and so asked the man if he would give him a ride up the hill. “Please sir, would you give me a ride up the hill, shielding me under your coat? It is very cold, and I am very tired!” The man said “But if I do that, you’ll bite me!” The rattlesnake replied “I would never do that, especially after you would have showed me such an act of kindness. So the man picked up the rattlesnake and took him up the hill, shielding him under his coat.

    When they got to the top of the hill, the man told the rattlesnake they had arrived and as he went to put the rattlesnake on the ground, the rattlesnake bit him. The man asked the rattlesnake why he did that, reminding him of what he had told the man earlier.

    The rattlesnake replied, “Ah, but you knew what I was when you picked me up.”

    I guess the moral of that story was the old once burned, twice shy! My dad seemed to tell me that story more than he did my other siblings. :D

    MTU – I’ve know who you are since I, er, picked you up on this forum! I stand by my earlier statement.

    ;)

  65. BIG AL March 4th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    MTU -

    The 2 little ones are doing very well, thank you.

    trisha -

    Thanks for the kind words and input.

    JAP -

    I understand fans will differ in how they look at the team, as well as individual players, my point was that as Yankee fans I felt we should be behind all those that wear the uniform, despite our personal feelings as to why they were brought here. Just like I thought it was ridicules for fans to boo Tino when he replaced Mattingly, I believe it’s just as ridicules to not support Pineda simply because he came here at the expense of Montero. I can also understand those that are critical of different players abilities, and voice their concerns about their ability, skills, or lack thereof, but, at a point in time, after making their point, move on to something else. Beating a simply subject line to death is something this blog has been doing for quite awhile, IMO. :)

  66. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I don’t take anything anyone says here as Gospel unless it happens to come from his Mo-ness
    commenting on the LoHud.

    ;)

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am
    JAP-

    I respect the fact that you and Randy feel as passionately as you do about Montero.

    And I am hopeful that you will feel the same about Pineda someday.
    ///

    I can only speak for myself, MTU. Pineda may turn out to be great. He’s not going to hit in the middle of the order, however.

    That said, now that Pineda’s here, I’m very interested to see how he progresses. The two aren’t

    mutually exclusive. I don’t, however, expect him to solve the aging lineup concern. That would be

    too much to ask of him ;).

  68. Tar March 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    I’m asking simply this, do you still maintain that pragmatically, the Tampa Rays not competing with the Yankees in payroll is a practical (I’ll grant literal) choice? And they they have or could generate competitive revenue with the Yankees in the optimal circumstances?”

    When I came in here in ’05 and ’06, I saw the stars, and I was confident that we could put a winning product on the field, and I was told by you guys and others that all we needed was a winning team. Well, we won. We won. We won. And we won. And it didn’t do it.
    -Stuart Sternberg”

    ” Despite the Tampa Bay Rays making the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years and a World Series appearance, they are still hurting financially. Attendance is continually down, and that showed last night in their 4-3 loss to Texas, as they exited the Playoffs.”

    Sorry to jump in…… I know this has been a days long debate and I probably missed half of it.

    The Rays not being able to compete with the Yankees in payroll is a product of a bad stadium and fans who do not attend despite them having a winning club.

    “And they they have or could generate competitive revenue with the Yankees in the optimal circumstances?”

    Apparently not in Tampa at that stadium. They had the optimal circumstance (winning and making the postseason), yet their attendance dropped.

    But what I don’t get is how is that the Yankees fault? And why is it the basis of your “buying a championship” argument. Should the Yankees not spend as much because the Rays have a crappy stadium and fan base? Maybe I missed something.

  69. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Trisha-

    One thing I do know something about is Rattlers.

    Trust me. I would have never picked him up. No matter what he said.

    Good story. I lost my Father a very long time ago. I am sorry we did not have more time to get to know each other better in this life. He was a fine Man. As was yours.

    I am hopeful we will in the next.

    :)

  70. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    The Lohud fallacy though is that those who feel strongly about Montero, don’t feel strongly about or won’t support Pineda when in fact the opposite is true. I love Pineda and will go through brick walls and rearrange my sched, just to see him pitch live. So, I think people shouldn’t have to write a disclaimer saying that they still root for Pineda in spite of their dislike of the trade. That is just plain obvious and silly.

  71. stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “But fans express their fandom in different ways.”

    Indeed, and one of those ways is wholly manufactured outrage that has long since passed being a genuine reaction.

    Its point is now defiance. Its repetition for repetition sakes.

    You’re %100 allowed to express it. I’m allowed to call it what it is.

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    MTU, if you know me at all, and I believe you do, you probably know that I read your post through tears.

    One thing I know for sure is that both our dads are watching over us and are with us all the time. That they continue to know us more all the time and help us out is a great comfort to me. And there is no question in my mind that you will have a good long time to bond with your dad. It’s just not going to be for a while. Excuse my selfishness, but I need more of your influence for a good long time to come!

    :)

  73. GreenBeret7 March 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    JackCurryYES Jack Curry
    Brian Cashman and Ruben Amaro just walked through Yankee clubhouse. “You want any Yankee stuff,” Cashman asked. “No,” Amaro said, “Im good.”

  74. Locke March 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Big Al –

    I totally agree with your post. I was sad to see Montero go but life moves on. I can’t be upset when spring is here and we can watch baseball on TV. I didnt even know who Pineda was when the news broke but he seems to be the real deal – cant wait to see him in ST.

    Cashman hasn’t made 100% of the trades I would have liked him to make, but he’s the expert, not me.

    I’m just going to sit back and watch another amazing Yankees season – trying to enjoy every minute of it. Especially because it could be the last for my favorite Yankee.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    “Trust me. I would have never picked him up. No matter what he said.”

    :D

    I would like to think I wouldn’t have either, but knowing myself as I do, if he talked a good enough game it is possible that I would have caved!!!

  76. stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    “i still think there’s only a 10 % chance he learns a decent change up this summer.”

    And I still think any number with a % sign next to it not based on some sort of empirical basis is verbal diarrhea. It’s a “figure” you made up without any basis in anything other than is sounds right to you.

    But since we’re talking about it, Randy. Just want to clarify the terms.

    If Montero logs any official start in any minor league regular season game, your month off from LouHud starts immediately and the term is 30 consecutive days.

    Vive versa for Pineda.

    Is that right?

  77. yanks 27 March 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    “I don’t have the same anticipation and enthusiasm for this season that I had, say, for last, or the one before that, or the one before that. That’s just the way it is. ”

    yeah, I agree. I guess it all depends on your rooting interests. Some root only fur the laundry and just want the team to win every year at every costs. Others want to have individual players from their own farm to root for on the way there.

    If Montero, Manny, Betances, M-Will, Sanchez, Hetahcott, Ramirez, Warren, etc. were on the team, it would be a blast to watch them and see their progress. After a bad game, you are eagerly awaiting to see how they bounce back and continue to develop.

    It takes the joy out of the fact that we only get to see the finish product, and that product was the fruits of another organization. Yeah, we hope Pineda does well because he helps us win, but there is no actively and passionate rooting for him personally, you hope he and the rest of the players do well.

    It’s just become kind of a cold, impersonal team without a real identity. And no one is asking for a all home-grown team, just give us some guys who we can watch their progress and enjoy seeing a potential star in pinstripes develop. Watching Nova was fun last year. Watching Joba go out and start in 08 was some of the most awesome moments we’ve seen in the last decade. Hughes, eh, his star has kind of dimmed and people never got to watch him consistently develop because of all the injuries/moving around, so I think he kind of just blends in now, but still, the point remains.

    Look how much fun it was to watch Shelly Duncan – a guy who we knew was a role player at best. Think we’ll have that same reaction if it were Russel Branyan?

    They should have committed to developing the farm and not trading anyone before they traded Montero.

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Beating a simply subject line to death is something this blog has been doing for quite awhile, IMO.
    ///

    Al,

    You’re right about that. Jeter bashing comes to mind. Interesting, I’d say, how little defense there was here of the Yankee captain. Pineda hasn’t thrown a pitch yet, and people are throwing themselves on grenades for him.

    Like I said, thresholds are highly individual. FTR, not to editorialize, but I don’t think Randy’s actually rooting against Pineda. ;).

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:33 am
    I don’t take anything anyone says here as Gospel unless it happens to come from his Mo-ness
    commenting on the LoHud.
    ////

    There you go. A man who would never try to force feed anything on anyone, because he’s in possession of the Truth :D.

  80. Tar March 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “Interesting, I’d say, how little defense there was here of the Yankee captain.”

    That’s ok… we were a spirited and fiery handful.

  81. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Trisha-

    The last few years have been difficult ones for you. I know that.

    You have the inner strength to overcome.

    Reading that last line I almost felt like I should go to work for a fortune cookie manufacturer.

    Seriously, Good things have to be on the way.

    I have to go.

    Have a good day. If the Sun is out enjoy it’s warmth. It provides great comfort.

    :)

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Just for the heck of it I googled the rattlesnake story. Sure as shootin’ it’s out there with many different variations of where the snake was going and how much time the person spent with the snake.

    But the punchline was always the same.

    You knew what I was when you picked me up.

    I guess a rattler doesn’t change its markings – or something like that.

    :)

    Time to work out. The queen of procrastination has procrastinated enough.

    See ya in a while.

  83. BIG AL March 4th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Locke -

    Thanks, yes, if this is Mo’s last season it’ll be a sad situation for all those that love and follow the Yankees, and truly appreciate what Mo has meant to not only the Yankees, but, baseball in general.

    I hope all fans of baseball can appreciate the fact they have been able to watch the best of the best perform at such a high level, for such an extended career. Being an old guy, I’ve be privileged to have seen some great baseball talent in my time, but none have come close to Mo at his postion. Let’s hope he feels so great at the end of this season, he comes back again next year, although I have have strong feeling this is his last.

  84. randy l. March 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I’m not just interested in Pineda ending up with an acceptable change up. I’m interested in how he gets there or doesn’t get there.

    I would rather have montero than two pinedas but now that he’s there I would like the yankees to develop him properly

    I am skeptical they will be able to do it and have him win more than he loses at the same time

    Some people can wit till he’s a finished player. I’d rather watch how he gets there each step of the way

  85. MTU March 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Al-

    I intend to savor each moment as if it is the last.

    Bank that.

    What a privledge it has been.

    Great athlete and maybe even greater human being.

    Gotta go.

    See ya’ later.

    ;)

  86. GreenBeret7 March 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    YES provides some pre-game photos from today.

    http://www.facebook.com/media/.....038;type=1

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    If Montero, Manny, Betances, M-Will, Sanchez, Hetahcott, Ramirez, Warren, etc. were on the team, it would be a blast to watch them and see their progress. After a bad game, you are eagerly awaiting to see how they bounce back and continue to develop.

    It takes the joy out of the fact that we only get to see the finish product, and that product was the fruits of another organization. Yeah, we hope Pineda does well because he helps us win, but there is no actively and passionate rooting for him personally, you hope he and the rest of the players do well.

    It’s just become kind of a cold, impersonal team without a real identity. And no one is asking for a all home-grown team, just give us some guys who we can watch their progress and enjoy seeing a potential star in pinstripes develop. Watching Nova was fun last year. Watching Joba go out and start in 08 was some of the most awesome moments we’ve seen in the last decade. Hughes, eh, his star has kind of dimmed and people never got to watch him consistently develop because of all the injuries/moving around, so I think he kind of just blends in now, but still, the point remains.
    ///

    Yanks27,

    I generally feel the same way – especially in regard to the B’s, Montero, Mason, and Sanchez (I am also very keen to see Ravel Santana, whom some are calling our first legit 5-tool prospect in years).

    I’m rooting very hard, though, for Hughes to realize what we envisioned for him.

    There’s this and also the more detached sense that this trade was a major mistep.

  88. BIG AL March 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    MTU -

    Mike, have a great day, and no snake hikers today, lol.

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    MTU – thanks for that. I know I have that inner strength and I also know that I have to give full credit to the place that Teebow, Mo, and Jeremy Lin would give the credit. That grace is what always sustains me.

    As maudlin as it sounds, every day that I get up is a wonderful day for me. Life is full of possibilities, and rooting for the Yankees and getting to observe the continual demise of the Sux, how could life not be wonderful

    :)

    And now I go. For real this time!

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    randy l. March 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
    I’m not just interested in Pineda ending up with an acceptable change up. I’m interested in how he gets there or doesn’t get there.

    ///

    And let’s see how much patience is extended this guy when he hits a Joba bump or two, especially from those bullying others to love this trade. Stay tuned…

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Tar March 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
    “Interesting, I’d say, how little defense there was here of the Yankee captain.”

    That’s ok… we were a spirited and fiery handful.
    ///

    :D.
    You were indeed on the front line.

  92. GreenBeret7 March 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    The Yankees have always built championship teams based on the “fruits of another organization”. It started with Wee Willie Keeler and Jack Chesbro, through Babe Ruth and a pitching staff raided from the Red Sox to Joe DiMaggio, Allie Reynolds, Roger Maris, Williw Randolph, Bucky Dent, and it continues today and will continue forever.

  93. stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    “The Rays not being able to compete with the Yankees in payroll is a product of a bad stadium and fans who do not attend despite them having a winning club.”

    Tar, my point is, and the NBA figures help demonstrate, a market’s revenue potential is largely independent of having a fanbase large to fill 81 home dates.

    In that league, successful franchises put good product on the court, exceed the soft cap by significant margins to do so, sell out their home arenas and are still smoked by a franchise that has put the WORST product in ALL of professional sports on the court for a decade+.

    “bad stadium” is entirely accurate, but entirely a small factor in a bigger picture.

    We live in a era now dominated by local TV revenue.

    Revenue is determined by size of audience.

    Size of audience is determined by size of potential audience, or market.

    In 2010, the estimated population of Tampa was 335k.

    In 2010 the estimated population of NYC alone was 8.1m. I’m not counting NJ, CT, Westchester and other densely populated areas that all add up to an exponentially larger market than Tampa.

    This is not argument. These are pure statements of fact.

    “Apparently not in Tampa at that stadium.”

    Not in Tampa at all.

    “But what I don’t get is how is that the Yankees fault?”

    It is not.

    “And why is it the basis of your “buying a championship” argument. Should the Yankees not spend as much because the Rays have a crappy stadium and fan base? Maybe I missed something.”

    You did, because I’ve responded to this repeatedly. It is NOT a criticism of the Yankees, it is simply recognizing a fact.

    Teams like Tampa cannot afford to compete with the Yankees in terms of payroll. Again, this is simply a statement of fact. The latter part of this discussion has been about me responding to this denial of fact, and attempts to argue a team like Tampa could spend at the Yankees level if they just choose to.

    This is denial.

    I’ve not yet once suggested to anyone being a fan of an inequitable system is wrong. Its a preference and can’t be wrong by definition. More and more this inequity is less appealing to me and is MY choice, because it weights on-the-field competition.

    This has lead to people like JF overreaching to defend a system I’m not really even indicting, and suggesting the inequity doesn’t REALLY exist, and that everyone can afford what the Yankees can if they simply ran their organization as well as the Yankees.

    That’s a ridiculous argument on merit alone.

    It does not mean the Yankees are at fault.

    I’m stating a fact, and people are responding defensively to a fact with “so what??”.

    “So what” nothing.

    I’m simply identifying the reality of the situation.

  94. BIG AL March 4th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    JAP -

    I do understand how you feel. I was a full time SWB AAA follower, having season tickets, and even travel to an occasional road game. It was a great feeling to see the guys you followed in AAA get called up, and read how they’d done on the big stage. I loved A-Jax, and found myself angry the Yankees had traded him, the player I wanted roaming CF at Yankee Stadium was gone, and I was against that trade, because it hurt. Then I had to come to grips that Granderson was my CF, and when he got off to such a slow start, I was one of those that said, See that a bad trade. I was proven wrong, the Yankees FO knew better than me, and as it turned out, it was a good trade, and Granderson is a very valuable member of the Yankees. Just a thought of how trades we hate when they happen, can prove to be very good trades later in time.

  95. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
    “But fans express their fandom in different ways.”

    Indeed, and one of those ways is wholly manufactured outrage that has long since passed being a genuine reaction.

    Its point is now defiance. Its repetition for repetition sakes.

    You’re %100 allowed to express it. I’m allowed to call it what it is.
    ____
    And you know the poster’s motivations because? Why not comment on the post rather than the poster? This. is. what. is. so. wrong. with. this. blog.

  96. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    Tar March 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
    “Interesting, I’d say, how little defense there was here of the Yankee captain.”

    That’s ok… we were a spirited and fiery handful.
    _______
    Hear, hear!

  97. BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    “We all have different thresholds for how much we want to hear on a particular subject. That’s it for me on this one.”

    That is fine.
    Then be prepared for a push back and do not complain about it.
    The other side has the right to criticise the criticism.

    Fyi, normally I stay away from these crazy dsicussions.

  98. stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “And you know the poster’s motivations because? Why not comment on the post rather than the poster? This. is. what. is. so. wrong. with. this. blog.”

    The people you are defending have outright and unashamedly assumed they know Brian Cashman’s motivations.

    Am I mistaken about this?

  99. randy l. March 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    So Trisha why do you think the Unmoved Mover made the red sox ?

    How’s that fit into your image of the cosmos ? :)

  100. mick March 4th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    And let’s see how much patience is extended this guy when he hits a Joba bump or two, especially from those bullying others to love this trade. Stay tuned…
    ======================================
    Yes. Let’s all hate the trade. Those leading the impatience charge will, most likely, be those that opposed the deal. Let’s live in the present and let the future play out. Nothing we can do about the past.

  101. stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    randy,

    Any clarification on the bet I took you up on?

    You’re free to abandon it, it was your idea to begin with.

    I just want to know the terms if you still expect either side to abide by it.

  102. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    I stay away from the crazy discussions also, but somtimes this place gets entirely too sententious, presumptuous and moralistic. Post and let post, and scroll past what you don’t like. I have to do it countless times a day. I don’t appreciate being attacked just because I have an opinion. That’s it, back to baseball.

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Big AL,

    I hear that. I didn’t mind the Grandy trade, myself, particularly because Granderson was a good defender, had speed, and on top of that, genuine LH power. AJack’s defense, though, I mourned. Saw him in Trenton, of course.

    With Montero, though, it’s just a different level of disappointment and distrust of the deal. I’ve enumerated it many times in here, as have others concerned with the lineup going forward. I think this deal was made for the wrong reasons, and that it was in response to a media manufactured need, at the expense of a real one.

    There’s also the pedigree of the player lost. This deal feels wrong on so many levels, all of which I and others have discussed here. I can support the player we got back (and I’m glad we didn’t get an old pitcher for him), but I cannot support this trade.

  104. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    “And you know the poster’s motivations because? Why not comment on the post rather than the poster? This. is. what. is. so. wrong. with. this. blog.”

    The people you are defending have outright and unashamedly assumed they know Brian Cashman’s motivations.

    Am I mistaken about this?
    _____
    And aren’t you assuming you know theirs? OK, I am out, and heading to work. Go, Yanks!

  105. yanks 27 March 4th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I don’t think the reaction of the fans is particularity surprising. Fans were waiting for that next homegrown guy to latch on to and root for the way they did the Core 5 (w/ Bernie). Montero was the obvious candidate because he was a young power-hitter with star potential.

    IMO, winning has become so mundane for the Yankees and the fans that simply winning is not sufficient anymore – fans want the Yankees to win a specific way in order to increase their enjoyment of the accomplishment.

  106. stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    “And aren’t you assuming you know theirs?”

    A trade is a transaction. The motivations of the person who made it have been assumed based solely on displeasure over the transaction.

    I’m basing my conclusion about poster’s motivations on 10 of thousands of their own words about their own motivations.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Then be prepared for a push back and do not complain about it.
    The other side has the right to criticise the criticism.

    Fyi, normally I stay away from these crazy dsicussions.
    ///

    If I complained about it every time it happened, then I’d have a problem. I protest maybe once in 20 posts, since the place is swarming with proper etiquette for Yankee fandom.

    i am losing interest in this site, though :D

  108. stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “IMO, winning has become so mundane for the Yankees and the fans that simply winning is not sufficient anymore – fans want the Yankees to win a specific way in order to increase their enjoyment of the accomplishment.”

    Astute.

  109. BIG AL March 4th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    JAP -

    I watched Montero play in SWB, and in my humble opinion, he will not be a starting C. That being said, he does have great power, but, how that will translate at the ML level, after SP have adjusted to him, is yet to be seen.

    I love Montero, and hope he does well. My wife gave me a Montero signed baseball as a Christmas gift, that I would have cherished even more had he remained a Yankee. :)

  110. randy l. March 4th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Stuckey

    I’m on an iPhone right now so let’s clarify later

    Basic idea Is whoever goes to minors first
    Montero or pineda fro any reason

    Loser stays away from blog for two months

    It’s a win / win for some on the blog no matter who wins :)

  111. Tar March 4th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Teams like Tampa cannot afford to compete with the Yankees in terms of payroll. Again, this is simply a statement of fact.”

    Stuckey

    Ok I understand your position.

    I have to ask what size do you think the market has to be to support a 200 mil MLB payroll?

    I will point out the Twins for instance had a payroll of over 110 mil yet a population 0f only 385 thousand.

    Tampa’s payroll was 45 mill with only 50k less people. How do you explain the discrepency?

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Big AL,

    If he just had power, it wouldn’t be that hard to bear. He’s going to be a prolific ML hitter. Montero is going to hit over .300 and and so so with power. If he were Jorge Vazquez, or even a LH power hitter, I wouldn’t be invested. WIth that natural power to RC, it wouldn’t make him more appealing if he were, in fact. It has everything to do with how good he is.

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    *do so with power

  114. stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    “Loser stays away from blog for two months”

    Consecutively, starting the day of that minor league game, right?

  115. DONNYBROOK March 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Nice watching CC take Pineda under his wing. Makes the transition to a new team easy onna kid.
    Yanks need to keep Chavez away from 1B unless all other options are kaput. Chavez = Giambi.
    With Nunez continuing his Ringling Bros Routine at SS, Hall has hope.
    Dickerson’s a tough cut. Looked good yesterday. Hopefully, Cashman can find a trading partner

  116. BIG AL March 4th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Later folks, y’all have a great day.

  117. Crawdaddy March 4th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Why don’t you Montero lovers just cut your throat and be done with it.

  118. BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    No team wins with its own propsects.
    Every WS winning team had to import some impact players.

    How about our own dynasty of the late 90s?
    We imported Paul O’ Neil and Tino Marinez and a few others.
    Without them (in spite of the core 4), that dynasty was not going to happen.

    Sure we gave up highly touted propsects to get Paul and Tino.
    Still we loved Paul and Tino.
    Don’t we love CC now, though we could have given that opportunity/slot to a prospet?
    If Pineda wins like he is expected, what is there njot to like about him?

    There are so many historical examples as well: Babe, Reggie, Catfhish, Goose,…….
    Prospect hugging is great, but the joy of winning WS is greater……

  119. stuckey March 4th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    “I have to ask what size do you think the market has to be to support a 200 mil MLB payroll?

    “I will point out the Twins for instance had a payroll of over 110 mil yet a population 0f only 385 thousand.

    “Tampa’s payroll was 45 mill with only 50k less people. How do you explain the discrepency?”

    I don’t know. The point of the argument wasn’t Tampa specifically. It was just being used as an example.

    My point is this: The Yankees geographical location purely and significantly equates to a financial advantage that weights the competition on the field.

    Again, statement of fact.

    How one views this fact is entirely a matter of preference.

    Geography as a major determining component in competition isn’t so appealing to me anymore.

    I’m am not and have not proposed changes to the system.

    The Yankees choosing themselves to change their stance within the system doesn’t scare of upset me.

    I look forward to an era where the Yankees compete on a different level if for no other reason the novelty of it. It will be new and different. I’m not looking for the comfort of the same dynamic repeating itself year after year after year.

    That’s it. Nothing more.

  120. Against All Odds March 4th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Crawdaddy March 4th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Why don’t you Montero lovers just cut your throat and be done with it.

    ————————–

    That wouldn’t be fun because all the trade talk would go away lol :)

  121. BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    “Basic idea Is whoever goes to minors first
    Montero or pineda fro any reason”

    What does it prove?
    Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay were also sent down to the minors to refine thier pitches.
    If Pineda is also sent to minors for couple of months to refine his CU, so be it.
    That will not take away from how good a pitcher he is or will be.

  122. BBFan March 4th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Crawdaddy, that is funny…….

  123. luis March 4th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Randy I,

    Don’t do that bet please…

    Yankeefem,

    Very good post about not liking the trade , doesn’t mean that you are not going to root for Pineda.

    JAP,

    Dont leave the blog please

    By the hi everyone!!

  124. randy l. March 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Crawdaddy says:
    March 4, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    “Why don’t you Montero lovers just cut your throat and be done with it.”

    We realize it’s painful for you folks who struggle with
    learning new things but some of us actually are interested in how Pineda works on becoming ace like
    We’ll try not to wake you till he’s finished developing.
    It’s probably best not to read our posts in the meantime
    They ‘ll be full of gory mechanical stuff
    Real scary

  125. Jerkface March 4th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Stuckey tv revenue is fixed. Yes might get benefits from advertising but the yankees have a contract with yes that only nets them 85 mil a year, less than some teams. There has to be something else which they gain from geography, and they should. Therell never be a completely level field. I wanf to see the other owners try harder before worrying about a ‘fair fight’.

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