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Monday notes: A strong first impression

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Mar 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

 

The first time Michael Pineda was approached by a massive group of Yankees reporters, he’d just thrown batting practice in Tampa, and as soon as the crowd began to surround his locker, Pineda looked like a deer in the headlights. It had been quite a while since he’d pitched — he wasn’t mobbed as soon as he got to the clubhouse — but he seemed overwhelmed by the attention. You couldn’t help but wonder if it would be a bit much for him.

Today, he stood up in the corner of the clubhouse and gave an easy, light-hearted interview. Asked whether he was nervous to pitch today, he said “Hell no!” and started laughing. He didn’t come across as arrogant, just young and confident and perfectly at ease.

“I feel very good now,” he said. “I feel (a part of) the Yankee team right now.”

Freddy Garcia said yesterday that Pineda has been asking a lot of questions about what it’s like to pitch in New York. Larry Rothschild said he’s been more than willing to try new things that might make him better. Russell Martin was impressed with his willingness to use his developing changeup his first time out.

“In the meeting we had before the game, he was like, ‘I really want to work on my changeup today,’” Martin said. “And I told him, we’re going to use it, and use it the way you would use it during the season. I like him because he wants to work on stuff that he hasn’t mastered yet. He has a really good feel for his slider, his fastball. The velocity wasn’t where it’s going to be during the season but he has good fastball command and that was key.”

What I’ve seen of him, Pineda seems mostly quiet but confident. After today’s start, he was engaging. A language barrier sometimes limited him to one-word answers, but he seemed happy to talk and willing to consider his answers. He said he hadn’t been surrounded by so many reports since last year’s all-star game. As far as first impressions go, this was a good one.

“He seems to have that attitude that nothing really seems to bother him,” Joe Girardi said. “I’m curious to see as we move along how he carries himself on an everyday basis because I don’t know him. You try to learn a guy as soon as you can but you want to see, as they go through things, how they carry themselves.” 

• No radar display at the stadium, but I was told Pineda’s fastball was roughly 89-91 mph and reached 92 once. That’s quite a bit lower than he’s expected to be in the season, but Larry Rothschild seemed unfazed. “Not what it’s going to be later in spring,” he said. “A little bit below, which you expect. Guys that are power pitchers usually take a little bit longer.”

• Pineda said earlier this spring that he showed up weighing about 10 pounds more than last season. He said today that he’s already lost seven to eight pounds and would like to drop two to four more.

• Nick Swisher fouled a ball off his shin but should be fine. No real concerns there.

• Dave Robertson struggled with his command in his spring debut. He allowed a run on a hit and a walk. “Sloppy, very sloppy,” Robertson said. “I just felt like my timing was off… Usually I feel like if you can throw it pretty close to the strike zone, the guys are going to swing (because) they’re not used to seeing it. I wasn’t able to get it in that zone today. I just couldn’t quite find it.”

• Jimmy Rollins stole two bases in that third inning, and Robertson said neither one was Russell Martin’s fault. “Nothing Russ could do about it,” Robertson said. “Because I was so slow to the plate.”

• The thing you really care about: Robertson said he’s thinking about sticking with the stirups this season. He wore them in college and for a while in the minor leagues – I can’t remember whether he had them in Scranton – and he’s taking them on something of a test drive this spring. “Have a bunch more outings like that and I won’t,” he said.

• I was down in the clubhouse and didn’t see much of Ryan Pope’s 1.2 hitless innings, but things were out of hand before that because Adam Miller and Juan Cedeno really struggled. They combined for four walks, five hits and eight earned runs. Miller also hit a guy. Cesar Cabral threw a scoreless fourth inning, but he was hit pretty hard. “You want them to get some outings under their belt before you really start analyzing what they’re doing,” Girardi said.

• Zoilo Almonte. 1-for-1. RBI. Still the late-inning star of these first few games.

• The only Yankee with more than one hit was Gustavo Molina who went 2-for-2. Brett Gardner had a triple, Nick Swisher, Eric Chavez, Eduardo Nunez, Ramiro Pena, Jayson Nix and Colin Curtis each singled.

• As planned, George Kontos threw long toss today. That’s his next step back from a sore oblique.

• After failing his physical with the Yankees, Hideki Okajima has signed a deal to return to Japan.

• Newly acquired reliever David Aardsma did a Q&A with the blog Yankees Fans Unite. Check it out.

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109 Responses to “Monday notes: A strong first impression”

  1. mick March 5th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Changeup?
    I don’t need no stinkin’ changeup!

  2. luis March 5th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    luis March 5th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
    LGY March 5th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
    Don’t know if Rosenthal just blowing smoke, but thinks the Diamondbacks may be in the market to move an outfieldder but, he threw out two names because of the money. It wasn’t including Upton or Parra. It was Kubel and Chris Young. Young wouldn’t hurt my feelings to see him roaming the outfield in Pinstripes.

    ———

    Which OF is Young replacing?

    =========

    Swisher in 2013?

  3. willwill March 5th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    almonte is a diamond in the ruff

  4. PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Been waiting a long time for Zolio.

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    “rothschild had so much effect that they paid the pirates to take burnett and rothschild was so effective with joba that joba needed surgery.”

    Well then randy, I guess we can know for sure that Rothschild has no business messing with Pineda’s changeup, especially since he feels it is quite good already.

    Checkmate buddy.

  6. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    “so why do we expect pineda to get one in the time he has in just spring training?”

    Because not all pitchers are the same.

    By the way Sherlock, Buchholz 2nd best pitch has always been a CU since he was drafted as a prospect which is why he throws it so much.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Talk to you later, rational posters.

    It’s lent in my household and Monday night is church night.

  8. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    rothschild had so much effect that they paid the pirates to take burnett and rothschild was so effective with joba that joba needed surgery.”

    This is a perfect example why others shouldn’t take you seriously here. So Joba gets hurt five months after working with Rothschild and it’s his fault Joba had TJS.

  9. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    trisha-

    Your sister Compass Rosy gave us quite a few tips about Pineda before he came over.

    Almost all were very positive.

    She watched him way more than any of us and was in a position to know.

    ;)

  10. PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Most amazing ST pitch pick-up story is still Gator learning the slider from Sparky.

  11. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Phil-

    Please elaborate.

    :)

  12. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Phil-

    About Almonte. I mean.

  13. luis March 5th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Later Trish, take care

  14. PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    MTU

    The Yanks gave Almonte a million dollars or more as a 16 year old, during the corruption cycle they had going on down in the Dominican. It was now many years ago and he has just started looking like he might be a Yankee type bat over the past year or so.

  15. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Phil-

    Thanks.

    He is still young.

    Is he back at AA this season ?

  16. PhiltheThrill March 5th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    MTU,

    He might be at AAA, if that’s not too crowded. He’s a different player from Abe Almonte, who we are also waiting on.

  17. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Phil-

    Are there any other overlooked young OF’er’s at the higher levels who you think might be due to break out ?

    We could use one or two.

    ;)

  18. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    MTU March 5th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
    GB-

    Here’s a link to Young’s stats.

    http://www.baseball-reference&…..ch04.shtml

    They do not look very good.

    K’s a lot. Low BA and OBP.

    Seems to have a lot of pop and is a good defender.

    You like him ?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Yes, I do. His average is a little low and the strikeouts are problematic, but, he’s got power, speed and a damned fine outfielder. He and Granderson could cover half the world with their speed. Making $7 mil this year, $8.5 mil next year and about $11 mil in 2014.

  19. luis March 5th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    luis March 5th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
    randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    the best impact i can think of on a player by a coach has been on granderson by long.

    rothschild?

    the jury’s still out on him.

    =====================

    To be fair, what i saw from Pineda’s CU today is very encouraging, the best type of CU IMO is the one that has vertical fade, and that’s what i saw from him today. Because if you miss you miss in the dirt. The dowside of the lateral fade CU is that it can end up in the wheelhouse of a batter with all the risks that it implies

  20. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    “By the way Sherlock, Buchholz 2nd best pitch has always been a CU since he was drafted as a prospect which is why he throws it so much.”

    crawdaddy-

    i should be nicer to you.

    you’re not a smart man are you?

  21. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    GB-

    Are you saying you could see him replacing Swisher ?

    Is that what you mean ?

  22. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    “you’re not a smart man are you?”

    Well, I’m smarter than you about Buchholz’s arsenal with knowledge that he always threw that pitch a lot because at times it has been better than his fastball.

  23. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    “This is a perfect example why others shouldn’t take you seriously here. So Joba gets hurt five months after working with Rothschild and it’s his fault Joba had TJS.”

    crawdaddy-

    your compatriot trisha was trying to point out the good work rothchild has done with burnett and joba.

    do you want to take her position that rothschild was sucessful with burnett and joba last year?

  24. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    By the way, Buchholz always was known for pitching backwards from his CU to his fastball.

  25. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    “do you want to take her position that rothschild was sucessful with burnett and joba?”

    Actually, I think Joba was pitching very well under Rothschild till he got hurt and to blame him for Joba having TJS is really beneath you. As far as Burnett, there’s no mystery there.

  26. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    MTU, he’d be better suited for that big left field, but, it could make letting Swisher go much easier. Salaries would make that easier. I’d think that Gardner to play center field would have to be one of those going for a Chris Young type, though.

  27. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    randy,
    I can recall a story you told months ago, about you teaching a major league pitcher a new pitch within fifteen minutes. In fact, you said, it was so good that he couldn’t control it, to his comfort level, so he never threw it again, and was out of baseball shortly thereafter. Should have listened to you, I guess.

    Yet a young pitcher with an amazing array of stuff can’t learn a change-up. Step on it again.

  28. luis March 5th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
    MTU, he’d be better suited for that big left field, but, it could make letting Swisher go much easier. Salaries would make that easier. I’d think that Gardner to play center field would have to be one of those going for a Chris Young type, though.

    =============

    Do you think he could be better than Gardner?. I know that he has power and that Gardner speed has value as long as he is cheap.

  29. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Good night all!

  30. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    “Well, I’m smarter than you about Buchholz’s arsenal with knowledge that he always threw that pitch a lot because at times it has been better than his fastball.”

    bucchholz has always pitched backwards. i live in red sox territory in cape cod. i have argued hughes /buchholz while both were in the minors.

    what i’m laughing at you is how you somehow deduced that i thought bucchholz didn’t come up with the change up.

    the thing that is interesting is buchholz didn’t throw hard when he first came up .

    in 2010, he was only .6 mph off pineda’s fastball mph last year in 2011.

    trisha can’t do numbers and you aren’t smart.

    what a combo.

  31. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Young could very easily be a 30 homer, 30 steal guy. Wish he hit left handed, though. Needs to get his average up about 30 points or so, but, that goes for Gardner, too.

  32. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    “I can recall a story you told months ago, about you teaching a major league pitcher a new pitch within fifteen minutes. In fact, you said, it was so good that he couldn’t control it, to his comfort level, so he never threw it again, and was out of baseball shortly thereafter”

    tomingeorgia-

    you misremembered. i said tony cloninger taught jack armstrong the nastiest splitter i’ve ever seen in a few minutes.

    jack was too dumb to know what to do with it.

    but don’t listen to me anyway.

    i’m probably just making it up as i go.

  33. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    “trisha can’t do numbers and you aren’t smart.”

    And you’re a silly old man, big deal.

  34. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    GB-

    Maybe Long could work some magic with Young ?

    So you would see Young in Left, GGBG in Center, and Grandy in Right.

    Is that what you are saying ?

  35. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Chris Young career vs RHP: .229/.300/.419

    I’ll do the the honors for Donnybrook.

    NIX!

  36. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    GB-

    Maybe Long could work some magic with Young ?

    So you would see Young in Left, GGBG in Center, and Grandy in Right.

    Is that what you are saying ?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    No, because, I think Gardner would have to be part of that deal.

  37. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    LGY March 5th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    Chris Young career vs RHP: .229/.300/.419

    I’ll do the the honors for Donnybrook.

    NIX!

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I wouldn’t trust your judgement to get fair value trading a Fritzie Brickell rookie card.

  38. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    GB-

    I guess I’m confused.

    Doesn’t that leave us short 1 Of’er ?

    Are you saying we would move GGBG and keep Swisher ?

  39. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Young is has pretty abysmal numbers against rhp and a huge home/away split… I stay away from him if i was the Yanks. his sex appeal is his hr and he does draw decent amt of walk.

    http://www.baseball-reference......ch04.shtml

  40. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    I wouldn’t trust your judgement to get fair value trading a Fritzie Brickell rookie card.

    ———————–

    Fair value for what?

    The Yankees have 3 OF better than Chris Young and a 4th OF that destroys LHP (the only type of pitchers Young can hit).

    Why exactly are we trading for him?

  41. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    GB-

    I guess I’m confused.

    Doesn’t that leave us short 1 Of’er ?

    Are you saying we would move GGBG and keep Swisher ?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    They’d have to keep Swisher. Noy a terrible thing. The Yanks would probably prefer keeping Gardner out of that trade and moving Swisher. Just not sure they could keep Gardner out of that deal.

  42. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
    Young is has pretty abysmal numbers against rhp and a huge home/away split… I stay away from him if i was the Yanks. his sex appeal is his hr and he does draw decent amt of walk.

    http://www.baseball-reference……ch04.shtml

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Granderson didn’t exactly dazzle anybody hitting left handers until last year, either.

  43. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    GB-

    I can’t see the Yankees paying Young, Swisher, and Grandy.

    Too much bread.

    GGBG keeps the cost down.

    Don’t think the Snakes would want Swish. Too expensive.

    YT said that Parra might be a better target if he were made available.

  44. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    GB-

    I can’t see the Yankees paying Young, Swisher, and Grandy.

    Too much bread.

    GGBG keeps the cost down.

    Don’t think the Snakes would want Swish. Too expensive.

    YT said that Parra might be a better target if he were made available.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    That’s what I said…3 times. There are not a lot of outfield bats on the market and those that are all have flaws.

  45. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Granderson didn’t exactly dazzle anybody hitting left handers until last year, either.
    ———-
    1. Young is right handed and will be having majority of abs against righties which as you can read he aint great with.

    2. He has huge splits home and away (excels a Zona) which would worry me how it translate in YS

    those two things are worrisome to me. I don’t know what long can do if he gets hold a guy like that… but I think they might other options avail that’s less risky.

  46. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    GB-

    I think Swisher is likely to price himself out of a job.

    Especially if he has a big season.

    Do you see them paying 12 Mil + per for him ?

    Maybe as high as 15.

    I think they’ll try to trade some of our Pitching for someone.

    Just not sure who right now.

  47. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Swisher at most would get $13.5 mil. maybe $14 mil a year and that’s pushing it. Only Boston and Baltimore would have a real need for him and could afford it, but, they won’t pay that either. Dodgers maybe if they finally sell.

  48. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    GB-

    There were rumors that the Bravos were interested.

    Guess you think they wouldn’t pony up those #’s ?

  49. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    I take a shot at Miguel Montero if the Yanks decide to let Martin and Swisher walk MTU, the rational being offensive catcher are at a premium as always. If you can upgrade offense at catching then a less importance will be placed on finding a comparable force to replace Swisher.
    A lot ifs in this scenario. but that’s who I go after in FA or via trade with Zona. I am gonna assume there is zero chances of getting Upton so I wont bother.

  50. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    randi,
    Did you catch any of those nasty splitters, or did they land in the dirt and get behind you? How come you never made the bigs? Why can’t a pitcher learn a new pitch, if Armstrong learned it in minutes? Does Pineda have big enough hands to throw a splitter? Is he washed up in his early 20s?

    Played the game well into college before I flunked out (had a wonderful time doing it). Played infield, catcher and came in to mop up as a junk ball pitcher. Pretty good hitter, but dead pull, and really slow. Good base runner, though.

    Came back to school after a hitch in SF, but this time with a wife and kids. Took history and economics, have a good grip on math and statistics. Aced forensic debating. Have been a Yankees fan since the early 1950s. That’s the extent of my background for this purpose.

    I have opinions on many matters, but I don’t call people stupid if they disagree with me. Never said you made up the story, never doubted it, in fact. I believe, until proven false, that people are telling the truth. I do have trouble with folks who are deliberately combative, insulting and demeaning in debate.

    I’m done.

  51. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    YS isn’t any larger than Chase Field.

    YS

    Left Field Line – 318 feet (97 m)
    Left Field – 379 feet (116 m)
    Left-Center – 399 feet (122 m)
    Center Field – 408 feet (124 m)
    Right-Center – 385 feet (117 m)
    Right Field – 353 feet (108 m)
    Right Field Line – 314 feet (96 m)
    Backstop – 52 feet (16 m)

    Chase Field

    Left Field – 330 ft / 101 m
    Left-Center – 374 ft / 114 m
    Left-Center (deep) – 413 ft / 126 m
    Center Field – 407 ft / 124 m
    Right-Center (deep) – 413 ft / 126 m
    Right-Center – 374 ft / 114 m
    Right Field – 334 ft / 102 m

  52. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Cash-

    I don’t think the Yankees want to lose Martin. My opinion is that they really dig him.

    I think Swisher might be the odd man out.

    As we have said before, can they trade for a decent corner OF who is reasonably priced ?

    Don’t know. We have a lot of trade chips.

    That is why I was asking Phil earlier if there were any breakout candidates in the upper levels of the Minors.

    Like Almonte, for example.

    To see if there might be any internal options.

    ;)

  53. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
    GB-

    There were rumors that the Bravos were interested.

    Guess you think they wouldn’t pony up those #’s ?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Atlanta has nothing they would move except pitching and they won’t even pay their own players.

  54. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    GB-

    My take is that the Yankees can’t afford Cano, Grandy, Martin, and Swisher.

    I believe at least one has to go if they are gonna make that 189.

    Maybe I’m wrong.

  55. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    YS is right behind Chase field as hitter friendly park in 2011, so i can see your point gb.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/p...../year/2011

  56. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees want to lose Martin. My opinion is that they really dig him.
    —–
    I have no problem if Martin is the catcher next year MTU, the question as always will be how expensive and how long you want to sign him for. But while we were on trade topics with Zona, upton and miguel are the two guys that I want.

  57. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    gonna catch a movie, night all.

  58. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Cash-

    gotcha.

    Everyone wants JU. Not available.

    MM is good but I think the Yankees are not likely to trade out a guy they know for one they don’t.

    Especially if the money is close.

  59. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    The list of possible outfielders available is thin. Possibilities: Andre Either, Chris Young, Jason Kubel, Dexter Fowler, Shelley Duncan and maybe Bobby Abreu

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Once again randy misinterprets – or more likely pretends to misunderstand – the meaning of a post. This is what I said:

    “And remember that different pitching coaches have different methodologies. Rothschild changed things with both AJ and Joba, neither of whom were chopped liver on the mound. I think you saw that Joba was extremely effective.”

    That was in response to luis pointing out that Rothschild was working with Pineda on his changeup. I was MERELY pointing out, as the words so obviously scream out at you since they are right there in print, that different pitching coaches have different ways of doing things.

    And my saying Joba was extremely effective came immediately after my saying neither AJ nor Joba were chopped liver on the mound. That meant that Joba had been an extremely effective pitcher and still Rothschild worked with him on things.

    Nowhere in there did I say anything about whether or not I thought Rothschild was a good pitching coach – which I do by the way. It was purely for illustration purposes that not all pitching coaches have the same methodologies or one of three (?) predecessors would have been working with Joba on changing mechanics.

    It’s no mystery that there are coaches who are considered to be the best in the game for what they do. Rudy Jaramillo would be one, Dave Duncan would be another, and of course Leo Mazzone was the king.

    I’m sure most of you get the point.

  61. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Can’t see M. Montero moving and he’ll get more than Martin…as will Napoli.

  62. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    GB-

    We have a lot of really good trade chips. Mainly pitching.

    I think Cashman is going to have to search around and find a partner.

    I hope he can. Maybe he surprises us ?

  63. BBFan March 5th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    “… and do either burnett or hughes have plus change ups ?

    so why do we expect pineda to get one in the time he has in just spring training?”

    Well, Randy is in line to eat lot of crow when the season starts and Pineda shows a good CU :)

  64. GreenBeret7 March 5th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    MTU March 5th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    GB-

    We have a lot of really good trade chips. Mainly pitching.

    I think Cashman is going to have to search around and find a partner.

    I hope he can. Maybe he surprises us ?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Haven’t you heard? Cashman can’t think outside of the box. He can only write checks.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    And Crawdaddy is hardly stupid. In fact, after posting with him for a good long while on the Times forum, although we disagreed heartily at times, I always had a great respect for his baseball acumen.

    *********

    I think it’s a pretty sad commentary that someone would think that unless he or she had actually participated in a certain thing, he or she couldn’t possibly understand it. Most people are knowledgable on a variety of subjects, but it doesn’t mean that they have been active participants in all of those subjects. When someone has a passion for something, they typically spend more time on that thing than they do on other things for which they have no passion.

    I would also venture to guess that the vast majority of posters here never played professional ball, or never played ball at all for that matter – but they sure have great knowledge of the game.

    And as some posters have been wont to say – I know what my eyes tell me.

  66. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    GB-

    Oh. I forgot. Sorry.

    :(

  67. Pat M. March 5th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Napoli is a part time catcher for a reason…..His play last season reminds me of Joe Hardy from ” Damn Yankees ” as he must have sold his soul to Ray Watson….No player in baseball will drop from his 2011 numbers like Naps will…..I look for a 20-22 % decline across the board including dingers and that’s saying alot because of Arlington……

  68. Bret The Hitman March 5th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    I like Chris Young as well and his contract fits with 2014. He’ll make 11 million in 2014 according to that contract and it’s a team option. Young affords the Yankees 1 extra year to make a more long-term acquisition if they have to.

    Towers likes Betances.

  69. Rich in NJ March 5th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    “I don’t think the Yankees want to lose Martin. My opinion is that they really dig him.”

    They will need offensive hedges somewhere as some of the players they have relied on for years almost inevitably age/decline. Martin is very unlikely to provide that. So he’s not a keeper.

  70. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Towers likes Betances

    ——–

    Are you suggesting Betances for Chris Young? :(

  71. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Dexter Fowler isn’t a free agent until 2016, don’t think he is available.

  72. Bret The Hitman March 5th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    I would try to trade R. Soriano at the deadline for Young. AZ would probably demand Betances but Young’s contract does escalate and could get pricey for his production. At the same time, it seems OF are hard to come by and by this point, teams have to know that the Yankees don’t want to spend 15 million per year on Swish.

    Would I cry if we lost Betances for Chris Young?

    Nope. I think Betances is a longshot to be a ML starter.

  73. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Rich-

    They may indeed need more offense than Martin can provide but they do not have a good alternative since they are unlikely to turn the Catching duties over to Cervelli/Romine.

    That might be worse.

    bret-

    Personally, I would never give up Betances for a guy like Young.

    I think he can bring back better.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    BBFan – :)

    You’re right. The words are right out there. Nothing subject to interpretation on that one!

  75. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Pat M, that is a bold claim. I can see Napoli’s overall stats come down, but here are his home HRs by year:

    20 (78 games)
    20 (114 games)
    26 (140 games)
    30 (113 games)

    Dude is gonna hit a lot of HRs, as the Rangers are going to make him a big part of their lineup now.

  76. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    AZ would probably demand Betances

    There is no way Chris Young is worth Betances. This would be like KC demanding Phil Hughes for Reggie Sanders.

  77. Rich in NJ March 5th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    MTU

    Tying up $10m a year for multiple years for Martin at a time when they are cutting spending is absurd, imo. There have to be more cost-effective options.

    __

    If Towers likes Betances, it would be smart to keep him.

  78. LGY March 5th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Would I cry if we lost Betances for Chris Young?

    ——-

    Terrible.

  79. Rich in NJ March 5th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Cry? More like a cry for help.

  80. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Rich-

    “There have to be more cost-effective options.”

    I can’t name any. Can you ?

  81. BD (Boston Dave) March 5th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    what’s the word/update on Soler?

    let’s get that over with already

  82. EA March 5th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I’d trade Betances/Mason Williams and Warren for Car-Go

  83. Rich in NJ March 5th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    MTU

    I’d rather pay more for Montero’ or Napoli, because they are actually good.

    Martin’s inflexible approach at the plate is more than a little troubling.

    Now, Cashman compared him to Munson, so facts may not matter on this.

  84. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Rich-

    Here’s 2013 FA Catcher list :

    Catchers
    Rod Barajas (37) – $3.5MM club option, no buyout
    Josh Bard (35)
    Henry Blanco (41) – $1.24MM mutual option
    Ryan Doumit (32)
    Koyie Hill (34)
    Chris Iannetta (30) – $5MM club option with a $250K buyout; player can void
    Gerald Laird (33)
    Russell Martin (30)
    Jeff Mathis (30)
    Brian McCann (29) – $12MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Jose Molina (37) – $1.5MM club option with a $300K buyout
    Miguel Montero (29)
    Mike Napoli (31)
    Dioner Navarro (29)
    Wil Nieves (35)
    Miguel Olivo (34) – $3MM club option with a $750K buyout
    Ronny Paulino (32)
    A.J. Pierzynski (36)
    Humberto Quintero (33)
    David Ross (36)
    Carlos Ruiz (34) – $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Brian Schneider (36)
    Kelly Shoppach (33)
    Chris Snyder (32) – mutual option
    Yorvit Torrealba (34)
    Matt Treanor (37)

    ;)

  85. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    We could probably trade DJ Mitchell or Warren for Young.

  86. Pat M. March 5th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Chris Young just whiffs too much, lots of swing and misses which is a shame because he could be so much better….I mentioned yesterday ( I think ) that it’s a strong possibility that Betances will see more of Yankee Stadium from the 3rd base dugout than from first……But not for Chris Young

  87. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    what’s the word/update on Soler?

    Still waiting for free agency

  88. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Rich-

    I understand your POV but I do not think the Yankees are gonna spend even more than Martin might require.

    Unlikely, at best.

  89. Rich in NJ March 5th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    “….I mentioned yesterday ( I think ) that it’s a strong possibility that Betances will see more of Yankee Stadium from the 3rd base dugout than from first……”

    As I mentioned yesterday, they aren’t likely to be drafting many talents like Betances with the new CBA. If they can’t develop him either, maybe it’s time for the people in change to go to the 3B dugout.

  90. MTU March 5th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Have a good night everyone.

    Good discussions.

    C ya’ tomorrow.

    :)

  91. Bret The Hitman March 5th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Young is no one dimensional player. As GB said, you get power, defense and speed. He can also draw a walk. He’s in his prime and he’s locked up through 2014 at a price lower than Swisher’s likely pricetag. And the Yankees would have an extra year to shop around for a long term RF. If they can’t find one, then exercise his option at 11 in 2014…still cheaper than 15 million for Swish.

    Look, the Yankees started quietly shopping for a RF at the start of the offseason (according to Olney).

    If they can’t trade for one, obviously they will have to sign one of the FA OF. Swish doesn’t fit the budget. So it would be Melky in RF or Shane Victorino.

  92. BD (Boston Dave) March 5th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    “what’s the word/update on Soler?

    Still waiting for free agency”

    ————

    JF, what’s taking so long?

  93. kd March 5th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    just watched matt cain mow down the brew crew.

    he’s 27, doesn’t get hurt much, a free agent with a 2.88 era last year in the nl west. let’s say that becomes a 3.6 in the al east. what would it take to sign him? 7/120?

    i really think he’s coming into his own as a pitcher and could be worth a big deal. the giants aren’t going to sign both he and lincecum.

  94. randy l. March 5th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    “And you’re a silly old man, big deal.”

    crawdaddy-

    so you think it’s bad to be old?

    that’s ok, i’ve had you pegged as a bigot anyway.

  95. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Young is no one dimensional player. As GB said, you get power, defense and speed. He can also draw a walk. He’s in his prime and he’s locked up through 2014 at a price lower than Swisher’s likely pricetag. And the Yankees would have an extra year to shop around for a long term RF. If they can’t find one, then exercise his option at 11 in 2014…still cheaper than 15 million for Swish.

    He has never had an OPS over .800 and is a platoon type OFer that cannot hit righties. I think he is certainly someone that the Yankees might target, but they aren’t trading Betances for him as a CFer and certainly not as a corner OFer. Gardner Granderson Young would be a very athletic, good defensive OF, but they’d be losing a lot of production at the corners.

  96. Cashmoney March 5th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    As I mentioned yesterday, they aren’t likely to be drafting many talents like Betances with the new CBA.
    —–
    This something I am curious about Rich… I think it will limit all teams ability to splash money on talented guys with signability issues. But, the talents will still be there, except the money will not. Will we see a trend where as all these guys simply go to college and wait for their payday or possibility of demand comes down due to excessive supply pool. Or, new ways to circumvent the system.
    I paused my movie for this because I am interested in what u guys think.

  97. Bret The Hitman March 5th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    kd,

    I love Matt Cain. I like him more than Hamels for this team. He’s a proven winner and not a quitter. It would be tough to fit him into 2014 but it can be done.

  98. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    JF, what’s taking so long?

    Do I look like an American VISA officer? :) I have no idea. Its up to that US organization whose name I forget to authorize his entry into the US as a worker. Then MLB will declare him a free agent and the bidding can begin. I’m not even sure if he has gotten residency in the DR yet.

    Pipe dream for the Yankees though.

  99. Jerkface March 5th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    This something I am curious about Rich… I think it will limit all teams ability to splash money on talented guys with signability issues. But, the talents will still be there, except the money will not. Will we see a trend where as all these guys simply go to college and wait for their payday or possibility of demand comes down due to excessive supply pool. Or, new ways to circumvent the system.

    It will be nearly impossible for teams to go overslot on these guys, so I think most will opt for college or only sign if they are picked very, very early where the bonuses are still large.

  100. Pat M. March 5th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Rich in NJ……You must have flipped out when Gabe Paul traded super man Charlie Spikes for Craig Nettles…..I remember Charlie hitting moon shots at New Haven but Paul knew what he was doing…….I’m taken back though how you devalue the defensive catcher……I do admire your protection of players that come through the system as do I and many here….That being said you have to know when it’s time to move them at the right time…….Tough job being a GM especially the GM for the NY Yankees with all the internet GMs…….

  101. BD (Boston Dave) March 5th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    JF,

    thanks – wasn’t sure what part of the process it was at. Wasn’t sure if it was MLB taking their sweet time…

    we have people here who think the Yanks could shell out $150M for Cain … surely there’s room for Soler :)

  102. Pat M. March 5th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Rich in NJ…..By the way, the Spkes trade was hammered by the media and fans alike as Charlie was going to be the next Harmon Killebrew or whomever…..I was shocked as well because Nettles was a 2nd baseman who was moved to 3rd because of Carew and shipped off to The Tribe…..

  103. blake March 5th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Chris Young isn’t as good as what they have now.

  104. blake March 5th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Just watched Pineda throw….really liked what I saw. The CU he threw to Victorino was nasty….guy pounds the zone with heavy stuff. I said this yesterday….but Dom Brown’s swing looks a lot better this year….

  105. Bret The Hitman March 5th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    True but they have a budget now and have to think about cutting money so they can sign Matt Cain and still fit under in 2014.

  106. blake March 5th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    “True but they have a budget now and have to think about cutting money so they can sign Matt Cain and still fit under in 2014.”

    Cain is going to sign an extension most likely….and they made the Pineda trade so they wouldn’t have to sign Hamels or Cain.

  107. Bret The Hitman March 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    they made the Pineda trade so they wouldn’t have to sign Hamels or Cain.

    **********

    Pretty sure they acquired Pineda because they like Pineda and were looking to improve the rotation. I don’t see why they’d stop working to improve the rotation with the Pineda deal. He’s a big improvement over what they had but there are still some questions about the rotation long term. Having a lock down rotation makes it easier to field a lineup with a couple holes on offense.

  108. blake March 5th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    “I don’t see why they’d stop working to improve the rotation with the Pineda deal. ”

    because they apparently are serious about this 189 stuff….I’d love for them to sign Hamels or Cain to go along with Pineda….I just don’t think thats the plan.

  109. Crawdaddy March 5th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    “so you think it’s bad to be old?

    that’s ok, i’ve had you pegged as a bigot anyway.”

    First time I’ve been told I’m a bigot, but you’re a jerk and that title fits you like a T.


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